#085 - Ferrari Fires CMO After Luce Launch, Will Slate Scale Or Fail, Jaguar Type 01 Coming & More

Hey, dude, I don't know if you know this, but I'm officially an influencer. I know well

I saw it this week and I'm

You know just just don't know what to quite think about that

Don't know what to quite think about that. Am I a journalist though?

Could do I call myself a journalist or I mean, what's the difference? You can just call yourself whatever

I mean, there's no there's no standards to any of it

So you might as well just pick the one that fits you the most that day, right? Whatever fits me that day

You get like if you get to drive a car, you don't never got the drive you're like, I'm gonna give you my thoughts

Yeah, shout out to Yuri from the straight pipes who commented on that video. He was like, am I an influencer reviewer?

I'm so confused. I don't know. Yeah, that was hilarious. Those guys are great

But yes, actually as a matter of fact when I do get into cars that aren't mine or that I'm not usually in I am gonna turn

Into that guy. I'm gonna put on my tie on be like, I'm gonna give you the course and features

Of this car that you're probably never gonna buy and you're probably never gonna own

But and don't really care about much and don't really care about much

That was a really interesting video that kind of you know got some attention like who's an influencer who's a reviewer who's a whatever

So maybe we'll expand on that

But I do want to start we got two emails and usually I send them to Nick beforehand

But I just thought this was so funny that I wanted to get his reaction that the the subject Rick red I yearn quote Seinfeld reference

Already one of the best emails we've ever gotten

But real quick we'll start at the top here back in 06. I scored my dream C5 06. I loved it, but

That's a great car, right? Yeah

Loved it, but had my fill of the experience after some time, which you just talked about once you've had the experience

You just kind of move on from it

Life events got out of it in 09. I'll always keep my eye out in the market

Essentially what the listener would like to know is he going crazy?

Has anyone ever gone back to a car that they once had their fill of and then ended up regretting going back to it as well

Well, I mean, I'm sure there has been but there's a lot of people and this is a very viable thing is is that you

sell a car or a truck or whatever and you go and

Have other experiences right and you try other things and you do other things and all of a sudden you look up and you go

You know, I really like that thing the best and yeah, there's plenty of people

that I deal with that you know that that

sell something and

Don't regret it because the price they got or whatever they just tried other things and I go

You know, that really is my favorite thing to drive around

Right, so you're a gen one Raptor guy

I mean a lot of people upgraded Raptor and ended up going back

Yeah, you know just just to kind of keep it topical in our network, you know of this podcast like yeah, absolutely. I mean I

Think if you find something and I think I said this last week, I mean if you really truly love something

And that is what you like to drive around that is the best place to be yeah

It really is

That's not how I'm built and I even said last week. I wish I was kind of built to do that

So if you love it and you've tried other things and you're like look man, I just really like that platform

I think you go get you another one. I mean that that's exactly how I would think about it if I was in that position

There was actually so for listeners that it didn't see the video

I started posting on my personal Instagram at Rob G TV, which unless it's a podcast clip for the last

I don't know literally maybe half a decade to almost a decade

It's always just projects

I've been doing that are a podcast or something media related

It's not just me trying to influence you if anything I'm doing the opposite this time

I'm actually I'm asking to be influenced by good or bad or indifferent had a pull up a couple people

Over a hundred people and then a ton of comments

And some of those turned into DMs and funny enough dude one of the pair of conversations and they're being brothers

It had no idea they were both messaging me one was talking about suspension the other one's talking about audio

Just good people and you know, we've had such and I even

Pin my own comment or like don't get me wrong

We've had vile commenters over the last 17 months

But there was also some cool people out there and so by July 1st

I'm gonna kind of take a lot of the suggestions and some of them were actually things

I already planned on doing and some had actually had things done here in Texas on their vehicles, which is great

But it's just it was cool

And I want to do the same conversation piece with the LX eventually because I'm gonna influence from Texas to Vegas like what maybe

Nick does to the LX because I don't know in the DMs even when I said that video people just want to hang

They want to bust balls the problem

I think publicly is that they want to not necessarily people they're coming on my video

But they'll comment on some of your videos that go viral is that they just want to have like a

superiority approach almost we're like they're gonna tell you the right and you're

They don't know how to hang. Yeah, they don't how to hang. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, like that. That's I

Always kind of look at it this way

Are you somebody that people want to have a beer with? Yeah, you know, are you a guy that people want to have a beer?

I'm not talking about your lifelong friends. I'm talking about somebody just met you

You're at a bar

Can you be a good hang? That's what this is kind of all about and and I like what you say about superiority complex, which is like

You know, we had this, you know, what a Jeep guy say something about, you know

This Jeep is better than that Jeep. There is a difference and I go there both Jeeps dog relax

Relax like as a guy that's owned lots of Jeeps. Let me tell you it's a Jeep. They're all inferior to most products

Sorry guys love Jeeps. Okay, I've enjoyed them in my life

You know, I got to what I think experience Jeep and its natural habitat on the PC age top down no doors and joy in life

You know, all that kind of stuff. So I I'm into Jeeps. I get it. I understand the whole thing

But it is a superiority thing and and I just go

Maybe we haven't done a good job all the time letting people know what this is all about. It's like look dude. Just hang out

It's not this serious, I promise you

And I grew up myself with my uncles and my dad loving Jeeps as a matter of fact to this day a man's in his 70s

He's still working. He's working on another Jeep in my mind

I'm like, you know, we could just get something a little bit more modern. Let's just a little bit more modern

Nope, he's got the whole thing taken apart seats are out, you know fix and rust welding things

I'm like, all right, that's what really kind of just keeps you going like just I guess stay active at this point

Yeah, just just just do your thing do something

But I think by the way that scrambler will be produced

I think some people are arguing whether they would even come to market and I it's well

And I think even if it's a special edition, we've seen that that

Jeep Dodge they they kind of are embracing

Special editions and they've kind of I won't say that all of them have been produced because that's not how it's happened

But they've sort of leaned into we're gonna do a special thing here there

We're gonna we're gonna this is where we're gonna go, right? What was it like a new color Jeep every month?

Yeah, or whatever and so

They've kind of leaned into that and I think if you look at this this scrambler. It may not be the the most

Highly produced thing that they do I think that there's an argument that that's probably and they'll do you know a 392

And that's all they do. I mean all that stuff could happen

But I think it'd be kind of foolish to go this far down the road for them and not this this wasn't a concept release, right?

Where you know, they're in a air-conditioned place and they're showing you a kind

I mean they kind of alluded to the fact this this was coming out. You're going to do something like this. I

Understand being a little skeptical of that with any brand, but it seems like this one's probably gonna make it speak speaking of leaning into it

Did you see the I don't have it pulled up

But I think it's well and I think it's Dodge and Hellcat and all the collabs are doing with Under Armour and college students

I saw a little bit of this, but I didn't dive too deep. Yeah, so I guess it's some like NIL, you know under Armour thing and it's

There's this guy follow that used to work for I think Nike and he does a lot of these breakdowns with like

Social and you know young athletes and then these brands and we've talked about Nike, too

Like they're kind of they've been in trouble for a while like that that real trouble

This has been in big trouble for a while, but this collaboration is like essentially what what do college kids like right?

They love football football players, especially like they love football and they love Hellcats

They want to raise hell on the field and they want to drive a Hellcat. Yeah, it's a look

It's it's a great crossover way to lean into it

You know, you'll see a lot of them wrecked, you know, they'll all have a body shop or two visits

Or ten

But there's no question like

We are seeing an out of out of the box moment for companies like Dodge. I mean we are I mean

I would say more brands are probably going to do stuff like this

Dodge is you know, and I think Dodge has been with something that people have misunderstood

It's largely always been underfunded

And so they've always done

More creative commercials more let me do something wild here because they didn't have sort of the

Big budgets of all of these other brands and you can look at that throughout history for a very very long time

And so they're they're always sort of the first to do a lot of these types of things

What they should have done or should maybe still do when the muscle trucks really launch is

Redo the debut from 08 or 06 wherever it was when we looked at the charger

Have a cop chase have a little bit of an arrest scene use some of your new NIL players in it like one

Yeah, I mean just do what you got to do

Anything to make the sale move the metal, right?

Metal all right. Well, we got to start the show with the real first story, which is slate

Oh slate. I had a memory pop up on my phone

It was one of the videos that were just in my camera log and it was of like the first video

We had done talking about slate. It was actually the last summer. It was literally the last June May, June ish and

Here we are we got some pricing

We got a leak and now we have actual pricing and now we kind of have like a full-fledged

Outlook of what these things are going to cost. Do you have any immediate thoughts on those prices? I?

Think it's safe to say a lot of people are probably disappointed

You know, we got to realize a lot of this stuff that we talked about originally was based on

The $7,500 tax credit being able to get a base slate for 19 and some change was sort of where everybody was at

I

Will go and say this I think slate has sat on this for far too long

I don't know if it's production issues or this was the plan all along

I think that's that's been a mistake

It can all be recovered if they do a good job, and I did see a video with a guy

is

The 24,000 the 20 roughly 25,000 does that include the destination charge? No

It's actually right here so 24 5 was a figure that was leaked slates base price

But there will also be a destination and delivery chart somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 possibly slightly. Yeah

I think they're getting into danger territory here. I really do I

That puts the base at just under 26 five

And now you're talking about you're really not that far from abrac

Yeah, and then so let's just continue the last two lines here the square back SUV adds another

5,000 the fastback SUV adds to where the expensive slate could start around 33 5

I

Don't I don't I don't I'll go I just don't think that's right. I don't it doesn't seem to be

The nature of what this was announced that and I realized that the political landscape has changed and things change and this and that

But essentially now you're talking about roughly a 30000 dollar vehicle instead of a 20000 and for everybody

That's new here. I always say this when you're when you're talking about being below a hundred grand

But especially below fifty that every every five to ten grand becomes a whole different class of vehicle

Yeah, right so not being anywhere near 20000 dollars, which is kind of what they they

We're talking about early on

This shows a real weakness and this business model that they're trying to chase that doesn't mean they can't have success

I mean, I don't know what they're how they're gonna market get you know mass appeal

You can change a lot of people's mind if you got the right way of going about getting people interested

The interest the interest has faded

From the beginning this is kind of what we've talked about in the entire car business has a big problem. It's like

Hey Mitsubishi, we're gonna bring back the Montero in

2031 it's like well that that just doesn't work in the modern economy

You know and I for everybody that thinks that I don't understand or you don't understand that they got to get all this

Manufacturing in place totally get it. I understand why these timelines are so far the issue becomes

That's not really what the economy does anymore. It's sort of like you get this quick hit of

You know buzz you've got to capitalize on it

And now my fear for Slade is they have completely botched the timeline here of being so long to get into

Production and so long to get sales going from that original launch and whether you believe it or not a lot of people

That would be interested are gonna remember you said $20,000

Yeah, you know and I don't know if this is the cynical side of me or just you know being on the internet too much

But I mentioned last week how I think they're just gonna shift subtly into something like the grenadier you mentioned the grenadier comparison

Which I thought was great, but people I've already heard of people one in our discord actually that for sure put the purer in

They want to buy it some people actually out in the real world outside of the internet that are gonna buy it

I think they're seeing you know where a little bit more the money is like you usually see they're gonna just price out people that

Maybe even gonna buy really at 1920-21

Now that this in the 30s like a specific person that wants that novel new kind of weird thing is gonna go for it

Yeah, and I wonder how much they're looking at the third vehicle crowd. Yeah, which we've talked about too

Yeah, I mean are you looking at the third vehicle crowd here where you're just like hey, you know

Guy kind of likes to do stuff around his house doesn't want to really buy a big truck

Doesn't need one doesn't tow stuff doesn't do any of that. He just wants something kind of low cost

you know

I get all that

I just don't think that was the play here. I'm not saying it won't work. Yeah, but it seems to me when you launch a car brand

We see all of them start to realize we need mass manufacturing to make this work

Right, right. We've seen Rivian

We've seen all of these companies that that kind of pop up and they go well, we'll just be in this niche

Well, magically they find out there's not enough money in that niche and they go we got to do more

We got to do a smaller SUV. We got to reduce the price. We got to sell to more people

We got to do all of these things. So the question I really have

And and I think I was more encouraged

That slate was going to bring something lower price to get other manufacturers to make a move

I'm not sure that's going to happen. But

In defensive slate, this is kind of Ford's whole

New manufacturing process that they unleash what a year ago or so again

50 years ahead of time

But Jim Farley is out there talking about

Cheaper cars cheaper trucks cheaper everything with this new sort of

Ecosystem that they're going to build out. Does it come to fruition?

And I also wonder in the u.s. market in particular

Are we just at a point where these guys can't figure out the under $30,000 marketplace if there is even one

Which is crazy because those are the people you would think they could figure it out

And then somebody like a slate could maybe capitalize on that because they're already a smaller operation as it is

Yeah, but

You know, you got to realize all the upstart cost at some point you want to recoup that sure, you know

I don't think people are especially on the corporate level anymore

Unless it's a tech product, which these these you know a truck is a physical thing, right?

I don't think people have the the wherewithal to go. We're going to wait 10 to 15 years to cash in

Yeah, and that that's that's kind of what I see here is it seems like they're trying to cash in now

Uh, I just don't know with with again you go to regulations to

What it is to employ people in the u.s. And all this kind of stuff are we just seeing slate basically put out to the world

as of 2026 early 27

We don't really know how to be substantially under the $30,000 price range. Yeah it so going back to the uh, let's put on our

We haven't done this in a while. Let's put on our tinfoil, you know beanie our clutch culture beanie

There's a place or a couple of places actually around the country

But one here in austin that's uh, basically creating like a new technical school type of ecosystem, right?

Where let's just use data centers as the example

They're they're basically building the uh, know how kind of like flow of how to build the infrastructure for those buildings

It's not the chips necessarily that you need right now

It's people to build the buildings where these chips are going to be inside, right?

So it's kind of sounds kind of weird

But when you have somebody like bank rolling slate we'll say

And they have these other big players whoever's helping like fund this and then create these brilliant minds

That are bringing these things to market will eventually just end up going to the bigger players that are going to be paying them more

Makes you wonder

Were they initially kind of bankrolled to to find these people to build these things to then actually go out and build the

Bigger things that are going to sell to more people. Yeah that that I mean like there was an announcement where uh,

I think it's semen's the big manufacturing company

Basically has like data center in a box now

where basic basically

Their whole idea is all of this pushback is happening, right?

Where if you let legislation get involved and people get involved then this is gonna a lot of it's going to get denied

But if we can buy the land and get the data center done in record time

There's no time to fight it, right, right?

So you see how quickly like you said smart minds go well the problem actually is if we wait for legislation

So how do we build a data center in a box?

So basically you can just put this thing together on site in a in a record amount of time, right?

I mean

In like you said, maybe this is the same thing with companies like slate

I mean lucid rivian all these kind of companies that have popped up

I still think one of the most interesting things around the ev conversation is why

essentially they keep hitting this price barrier

Because at scale

All of this stuff should have come down rapidly in pricing

Right, I mean I'm you and I use the flat screen tv thing

When you used to buy a big screen

It was expensive

As soon as they hit mass scale and the technology and everything now you can get an 80 inch at walmart for like 500 bucks

Bro, what do you think a 55 inch flat screen tv cost yesterday on prime prime day? Just just be like 300 bucks $150

Oh my god

For a 55 inch toshiba, you know, you would have to sold your right leg to get one just 10 15 years ago

When plasma would take like seven guys to hang that head in your room because it's so hot, you know

It is great. It was so much. I don't need one dude, but did I click it? I sure did

I was like, oh, it's like it's like this. Uh, so they make these tv's for outdoor

They like to be around your pool and they're still super expensive

And I remember looking at the guy who was mounting mine. He's like, well, you should got an outdoor

I said, buddy, they're like 300 dollars if this thing goes out every season. I'll have to I'll be 10 years before I get

The cost back on an outdoor tv

Like dude, I'm not I'll just take that off put the next one on I mean this this this stuff is now but

to your point

This is kind of uh, and I know there was some breakthrough on some solid state battery stuff

And I know elan's talking about using you know half as much copper and no rare earth minerals and

So advancements here, you know, I think everybody needs to kind of be like

You know number one advancement never happens as fast as we think

Yeah, you know, it's just like we had a joke you and I were on a uh business call this week

And people telling me about how great ai is rob didn't have internet connection

You know what I mean? We're how long into the internet and rob's like on his phone on cellular connection

And I go I mean I made the joke right in the meeting. I'm like, yeah

I mean ai's gonna take over the world still can't get solid wi-fi down there and

That might have been in human error from what I heard

Somebody told me it might have been a human error. So again robots need to take over. Yeah, so I think

We all need to cheer on things like slate for one simple reason

If they get everybody to move to the downside, it's a positive for the consumer

If you don't see it that way, you're not seeing the big picture, right? I don't care if it's ev or it's gas

That that debate is really not something worth having because whatever gets people to move to the downside

Is beneficial to the consumer. Yeah, the law is right now. We yeah, we we've we've had no move to the downside

I mean even as we see inventory stacking up

Although certain brands still can't produce certain things fast enough

uh

And and things are only lasting on the on the market a few days. Those are limited brands, right?

You know not all brands are having that problem. Many brands are just stacking up inventory

And still not moving to the downside

You know with with the carvanas and all of these players coming in we've seen nothing

But moving to the upside

So the thing you have to cheer on if you're a consumer trying to buy a vehicle is who's going to force everybody to the downside

and right now

It looks like slate is making the admission to me

That anything sub 30000 dollars is really tough to do

And I think a lot of people would find the interest in at the right price because we've said that a lot too

But there's a video that we put out maybe a couple days ago

And the the cover if you want to go see it because it actually popped off on all the all the things

Instagram Facebook for the first time in 17 months tick tock even youtube

Um where it's about you said an ev at the right price is basically it gets to a point where you just can't ignore it

And the the arguments or the conversations in that thread were

All around the battery the solid state versus when it goes out the cost of repair it

But what I noticed on all the platforms because they're vastly different people by the way

I think we all understand that every platform was a very different kind of viewer and commenter on there

They were much more

Leaning towards I would definitely actually look into it if I didn't have the fear of the cost of repairing a battery

It would be five times three times the cost of that cheap ev

And once that's figured out in the whatever you want to call it aftermarket, you know rechargeable kind of world

I think we're gonna not have a problem or as big of a problem convincing americans

Which is the biggest thing I think on the globe is that the evs are something that they want

Yeah, and and I think

People are right to say

Who's gonna hold the manufacturers responsible?

On that battery right because

It is a massive cost still today. We're in 2026 if you're listening to this in the future

But tesla kind of disproves that theory. I mean tesla has a lot of model s's from 2013 selling

That have very little battery degradation

I mean they have some obviously, you know, especially if you if you're

Getting one that's been put through the ringer and not charged properly that all is there

But there's a lot floating around out there

That people are buying and they're like, yeah, man the battery is still at 90 percent, you know 87 percent

I got news for you that that's as good as you can hope for yeah

I mean, how many of you have power tools? I had to replace like two milwaukee batteries that have hardly been used

You know what I mean like they really aren't in heavy use in my life

And i'm like wow these things just don't work anymore

And you got a car that was built in 2013 like ah, it's like 90 percent. It's like 87 percent

It's 85 percent and by the way, all that means is you have to charge more frequently

I mean on a on a minor scale. I understand the fear like don't get me wrong. I'd have the same fear

Okay, it's like how bad is this battery this and that

But you have things like the Prius hybrid system

Which has had batteries that largely has stood up pretty well

for

How long time long right now they do have

Replacements that happen. Don't get me wrong like that. They do have that but

They also have millions that have no issue

Right, so I think like you said we're getting to

Uh, you know sort of a breaking moment here

Where you go

Any kind of you know 10 20 30 jump in battery technology

used EVs are going to become

Really hard to ignore because if they start solving

Battery issues

There's no reason not to buy a used one the fear is there today

But what if things, you know change drastically in the next 36 months

You look at 2035 with a bunch of eight or nine year old EVs

And there's not hardly any problems with them and they still have massive

Depreciation you're going to get to a pretty crazy point. The crazy thing is it like in four to five years

Like they're not gonna have younger kids

But like let's just say in the next you know half a decade when they're like getting to permit driver's license ages

Then and all their friends

Are we just going to see high school parking lots filled with used EVs the way we saw like Cavaliers and neons and stuff

I mean, don't you think that I really do

I think that's almost inevitable and I didn't before for all the new listeners

I've gotten a lot of new messages about people that just found the show and that's great

So again, we're here for the hang, you know, usually we were railing again

I'm personally railing against the EVs and nicks more of the the moderate aristocrat that knows how to

Keep a level head. I'm just I'm I'm on the fence

Just just say it correctly before you start lobbing

I've always just been if they work for you buy them if you don't like them don't buy them

There's no reason to get this worked up

I will say one of the best comments. I got to pull it up. You even commented on a sob. What do you say?

This guy was hilarious

Something oh all the royalties paid to the aristocrat

For the insiders. I don't know nick claims that the only reason I got the uh the raptor was because of his

His touting of the awesomeness and that he was going to get one, but you know, he got the lx instead

There's only a partial truth to that as I've said he reinvigor'd my

In the gen one raptor and here we are and I said

Yeah, gentlemen would pay his respects. Is it getting paid? No, I mean, I'm not I'm getting zero royalties

You're getting all these views on the gen one raptor. I'm getting no money from it

I mean yet yet the the the overlords

If I was a true aristocrat, I'd be we'd be in court. I'd be like, hey

This is a civil matter. I need you to take this a civil court

Oh god, that's funny

Shout out to that gentleman. He that was some real inside baseball

It's funny now when you to the point that people are making these inside jokes of a show that most people in that thread

Probably haven't listened to yet. You're you know ball as they say. Yeah, absolutely

Uh going back real quick to another email

Hey, uh long time fan my boy from the uk

Yeah, okay

Shout out. By the way, there's a hyper clean uk out there. They can reach out to right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah

So if you need your products hyper clean uk

So I've been watching for a while curious what nick and rob think about the motorists or the war on motorists in the uk

Can't promise you we're gonna have a lot to say this but we'll see things like the ulez

15-minute cities in high road tax. There's a pushback against these policies groups cutting down these or vandalizing these cameras

And if you think my car is bitching which by the way, that's also why I wanted to bring it up

Let's see if nick is a fan of where are we at here? Boom. This is like a gen three

Yeah, that looks real good. Sweet, right? It looks really good. Very bitching. So thanks harry for the email

Uh, yeah, our brethren down down over yonder are having some issues with emissions, man

Like they're really cracking down. Not really your brethren. Well, yeah in spirit more more more my brethren in spirit, maybe

If they didn't see me and only hurt me

Uh

There's no question

that

I think all of europe has taken a very strange

Government position on all of this. Yeah, first of all, we've seen a lot of the manufacturers from europe just completely decimated

By the european union as a whole which I think is strange

you know like

Germany decimating german manufacturers that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

It's now coming to drivers. There's all kinds of taxes being put on

Uh, yeah, like you're not driving the things that they basically so ulec ultra low emission zone. I think is what it is

I mean

When you visit

The last time I was I was overseas across the pond as my folks say

I am your folks and that's what I said

I was in scotland

And one of the coolest things to me

I think you and I were friends at this time early. I think it was early on a big early on is

How many cool

small

vehicles

Yeah, that you just see and by the way

How many older vehicles you see a lot of older vehicles, you know what I mean?

That is actually what you want you don't want these things

destroyed

Going into the environment through car crushing and all that kind of stuff. Yep. You really want what

sort of europe has which is

People adopt new platforms right the newer cars

But they also keep their cars running and you know, there's no new manufacturing being done for that customer and all the things

That go on environmentally for that new minerals new

all you know all the stuff that happens

and

To just kind of start decimating that culture is stupid to me. Yeah

Because that is the coolest thing going over there. It's like I've had some buddies visit cuba

And they're like dude all of the old vehicles over here

Is unbelievable to see right

and largely

You look at this kind of stuff and we're losing all of these little places around the world

This is not in support of any of these places just so anybody doesn't you know get crazy with what

We understand why they have the older vehicles. Yeah, we understand. We're talking about just the cars not the governance. Yeah. Yeah

I'm not a political commentator

uh

I don't really know what they're trying to accomplish except

Decimating everything. Yeah, cube's not worried about their environment. Let's be real right. That's not why they're

Yeah, like I don't understand europe at all

I don't understand what they're doing and I know guys like uh harry's garage are much more up on this kind of stuff

He's one of my favorite youtube channels where anybody hasn't watched him

Long story career. Uh, I think comes out everything from a very interesting point of view

We obviously know he has relationships with manufacturers. So relax. Okay

Gets a lot of new vehicles

but

I think you're getting you know with vat tax and everything that goes on

You're getting to this point where it's just getting untenable. Yeah, and I don't think it's it's just pushback anymore

I think it's just like this this is now getting to the point where nothing can happen

Yeah, where do you play at that point? Well, not only that you've seen the gdp of of all of europe

Just continue to trend downward

And they just keep going further into this nonsense

And you go dude

It it you're not really solving anything and I think when when when you get to this place where

Nothing is being solved. That's the worst kind of government

Intervention for sure like that that that is the definition for somebody like me

I'm not I understand roles of governments around the world. You you understand that. Yeah

The thing is when you can't really make sense of what's happening in the automotive world

Especially because you're decimating jobs. You're decimating manufacturing facilities

You're doing all these kind of things on top of hurting the consumer. I think it's really crazy

Yeah, and uh, it like I said earlier like where do you go play at that point because it just makes it so hard for them

To just operate as a business like in general like you just not want them to produce anymore

You want to completely have no manufacturing? Well, and that's that's the real argument of why you're seeing some of the decisions like amg gt

And people saying hey, this is all a chinese play like look man. You're you're not 100% wrong

It's still not going to move the needle for them

But if they can develop these things inside of china and do that kind of stuff and manufacture some stuff there

Then they're they're making the play that's much bigger than just a car

Right. They're making a government play of how do I get production out of here? I think that's it's just silly government policy over and over again

Yeah, so shout out harry over in uk saying that in by the way. I'm sure you follow uh, not nick, but harry

What's his name?

Tommy robinson so if you want to send me a message about what's going on the uk

I'd love to know because it seems like a real wild place these days no matter we're talking about cars or culture

life in general it's very

Some might say it's the strangest

The strangest, but yeah shoot me a dm

Good luck to you sir 15 minute cities the whole thing. I I can't keep on my

Tin foil beanie the whole episode or nick will just lose it. So yeah, I'm not I got real things to do

Don't listen to you see don't listen to the aristocrat harry. I'm here for you. you my guy

I'll drive the raptor over there somehow and then we'll figure it out

Somebody said are you making a doomsday vehicle out of it? I go not necessarily, but I know nick wants to do that with the lx

I might you know if enough people

Rally behind the show we can make both of them, you know

Doomsday buggies and then meet up somewhere in the desert and do whatever dudes do in the desert

Yeah, whatever you do. No, whatever. Yeah, nothing to be weird

Whatever you do in the desert these days or whatever you do at Coachella if you guys still go to that

Hey, that's a real west coast vibe. Yeah

Um, all right, let's see. Oh speaking of actually before I get to another story

How's the lx holding up after going under the knife?

perfectly, yeah perfectly I'm

I will say this

Do as I say not as I do

I made a mistake with this vehicle

I didn't make a complete mistake

but it should have just gone under the knife from day one and uh, I'm

It's amazing when you have a platform that you like and you just get the work done

And you just kind of have that piece about it and go, okay, you know, I've kind of addressed some things here

Uh, so yeah, man, it's it's been awesome. Um

any

Immediate plans this summer that you want to do even if it's like small with it like something

That's just like a personal like little thing that the car has that you want. Yeah, I mean, I'm still I'm still

Really fascinated. So I have a crack in my front grille. It's a very minor thing, but it's annoying

And I keep looking at these aftermarket grills

and

They just don't speak to me

Hmm

Hate that you're looking at all the options and none of them. And so now I'm on ebay like looking for

You know a non-cracked lx

You know original oem

You know grille, which I don't really want to do. I don't mind the grille

I don't really want to do that though. I would like to do something aftermarket, but

They're pretty ugly dude. Yeah, like they're pretty ugly. They're they're they're plastic and they're sort of in that trd

You know, they basically are trying to trd your your your older vehicle not against it

Just doesn't kind of look right to me

I don't have any information but explain to us what would like what are you trying to aim for?

Because I know you like the sophisticated clean look of things, right? Yeah, I kind of wish it was just

a less busy

OEM grille

I kind of wish it was just more like I could get like

gunmetal gray

And I and I realized I could go to a powder coder and just take an oem non-cracked grille and do that

But I would like to see just sort of less lines

You know, it's just got one too many lines in there

But I probably will go and just to test it out with one of these aftermarkets to see

You know how it looks. It's not a huge expense. So I'm not really worried about that

I just wish it was a little cleaner if you powder coated yours. You probably wouldn't even be able to see the crack, huh?

You'd be able to see it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's it'd be a two-step process

Find find find one that's not cracked and then get it to a powder coder. That could be the route

I I just think for me I wish

Not everything has to be

Modern to sell it to people and this is kind of what we saw at SEMA when I told you I was walking around talking to some of these off-road companies

It just sucks. They all do the same thing

Literally literally

Now for a behind the scenes of why they all do the same thing

Is because none of them or very few of them actually produce anything

So they're at the mercy of what's being produced in china or whatever

I get it. I'm not, you know, I'm not against that but it doesn't there's not a lot of variants

You know what I mean? Like even an aftermarket bumpers aftermarket, you know, uh, you know

Tire holders aftermarket everything it's just like it all looks the same

And if you don't like in some cases like the grill situation if you don't like that busier

plastic type of of modern look you don't really have a ton of options because obviously

It's being produced by probably one place

Maybe two

And they're just gonna do what everybody, you know says. Ah, yeah, I'm good with that. Let's get it over here

This is the perfect. All right. I'm in a mental note here 38 minutes 37 minutes of this episode

That's because that's kind of how when you first got the lx

And way before obviously I had the raptor that the goal was to find these people that are

Doing the unique creative interesting things in the us making fabricating stuff whatever it is

And one it was either hard to get in touch with them because let's just say they were super busy

And they weren't good about responding to people for collaborations or two

They had been burned in the past which we haven't talked about this in a while

And they just really didn't have that much of an interest to collaborate with people

So one of the cornerstones of what this little hub of clutch culture in the audience is for me personally and probably for

Nick without having to speak for him is to get those people

To just share their stuff with us so that they could find the audience who actually wants to buy their stuff

Because we know they're struggling. I've talked to several of these people

And they're just trying to hustle to get things done to sell enough and get enough out the shop door

So that they can just keep the shop open and make more of those things

And it's it's it's crazy because they are so

Not all of them, but a lot of them are so

Just a verse

At to doing any kind of collaborations that I don't know

Maybe if enough of you guys

Tag people in our comments and stuff be like this people

You know these people are doing cool things or these people would great to collaborate with that are here in the u.s

Like let us know because

So we'll say it this way part of the collaboration

That we are trying to offer people to be very upfront

Is telling a story

You know, which is like to go to their facility and you know show who they are and because otherwise

You guys are just seeing me stick something on our car. Yeah

You know what I mean? Like that's not all that interesting

You know, we already have a project done with the lx

And even that was hard to get the proper things filmed because there wasn't an understanding of hey

We kind of need to clear out. We need to tell a story

We need to do all of these things that was hard to do

But and so what we want to do for all of you because have questions we get them all the time

Should I do this? What about this exhaust is well if we

Went with that exhaust company and we could actually experience their facility and experience what they're doing and tell a story

You could make a more educated decision and say hey, it looks like there's good people behind this

Look, they're doing this in the u.s

They're and and I will say is very difficult to find people doing stuff in the u.s

Yeah, and or like you'll be in uh in next shoes where you just can't find something that speaks to you

Right, like you're right. It's just not popping up. You're not finding it

It's not ai is not just spitting out like these independent shops across the country that are fabricating things for your vehicle

And it's a tough business. I will tell everybody, you know being in the aftermarket of cars for as long as I have

You've got to go where the money is, you know

What we saw from a lot of these off-road companies at sima when I talked to them

They're like man, we love that platform the hundred series platform. We'd love to do something but

Tacoma forerunner bronco

That's what you know, that's what we pay that that's the only way to pay our bills

Yeah, and so essentially it's always, you know jeep gladiator jeep wrangler bronco

Tacoma forerunner in a crazy part is

A lot of these companies don't build anything for the new land cruiser like now

I'm not talking about the 250, but I'm talking about the 200 series which you know was around for a long time

They don't even build anything for that

You know, they just don't

It's funny you say that

Just this morning. I got a text from somebody who recently found the show and has been binging it all the way from episode one to now

That's awesome

They said I verbatim god. Let me find this real quick. Um, I'm on episode 11 now

Nick really sure does talk about the land cruiser a lot laughing emoji and I was like, oh those early episodes

We had a lot of super controversial takes about the land cruiser back in 2024

So nonetheless, it's people are still finding it anew and enjoying it. Yeah, that's awesome

By the way, any has your mind changed on that at all?

On what just that prado, you know, there's this new land cruiser that's in no, I wouldn't I would never

Priced differently

You would have had a different vehicle. You would have had a different. Yeah, everything is in

And this is where people get

Really lost in the weeds of somebody's opinion

The fact that

Everything was priced so closely together

From Tacoma to forerunner to this new land cruiser

to

You know, all these different things that's where the land cruiser didn't make any sense

You brought in a lesser land cruiser, which is fine. I wouldn't have done it

They did it

And then they go, oh

You can go get a gx 550 for around the same price

That's like it didn't make sense. No, and it would have been as if bronco would have released the bronco sport as the bronco

And never made the actual bronco. Yeah, you would have lost their mind

Yeah, and said by the way, this is going to be 62 thousand dollars. Exactly. It's like, no, no, this doesn't make sense

and by the way

A four cylinder that when they released it

They had a six cylinder going into the gx 550 for a little bit above the price

Didn't make sense

That is the the the nature of the conversation. It's not. I mean, obviously

The american land cruiser situation

They abandoned because they wanted people to buy sequoia or the the the lx or whatever

All made sense then out of the blue they bring it back and they do it

Pretty horribly bad bad engine bad this bad that I mean

Kamisa called it the worst four cylinder on the market. Yeah, and he's

Still one of the most independent type of thinkers in the automotive world in my opinion

And I couldn't agree more like if you heard these things going by you, which I did

We were at this little outdoor place and one of the first ones I saw it sound like a lawnmower

I'm like

With a land cruiser badge

Now again, I know what land cruiser is overseas. It's different, right? You got diesel options and all these types of things

I'm cool with that

The way they reintroduced it here in america made no sense

price wise engine wise

Everything they had built

That was the only reason it was ever even a topic of conversation

It wasn't really that we cared all that much about it. It's just like this is a really strange

manufacturer decision

Did you put it neutral and just give him a couple revs or

He was driving by me and I'm like

I don't know man. That's not

That's not that's not it man

Well, hey speaking of something that's coming back, you know, we're seeing a lot of this from a lot of different makers

Honda had a big announcement earlier this week and that is that they're going to be bringing back the element

and hybrid version in 2029

What was your thoughts about these in a moment? I'm not going to lie to you. I like them

Yeah, it was just kind of one of 11 of those like weird

Uh platforms that I think you were just kind of I was agnostic about I was like, yeah, okay

It's something well when these popped off you were already in your Ferrari phase like why would you look?

You're not gonna be looking at these wow everybody that's new to the show rob is trying to paint a picture

That's absolutely no no no you've painted the picture yourself and it's over your shoulder, okay

Yeah, I don't have a picture of a Honda element over my shoulder got you

Because a lot of you have the magazine covers from the Honda element launch

I would I would ask this

Why

Why kind of go

Backwards and not more into off-road if you're gonna go

backwards

Okay, you know what I mean? Like this is I'm not against this but I I think where they're lacking is they have very little off-road presence

And we were just talking about that with the ridgeline. Yeah, like why did they never take the next step?

Uh and develop a new platform

I just kind of look at this and I go. I mean they have what crv

HRv

They already have like sort of this market covered. I'm not against them bringing it back

but

You guys are not in in competing in the off-road market and and what was it called trail sport?

Yeah, not to mention the pilot trail trail sport is an incredible off-roader. Yeah, so I just thought they'd go further into that

But I guess not

I mean, I guess they're just like let's revitalize the Honda element such a deep thought and then just like I just guess not

Well, fuck me, right? Like I mean

But this is kind of

I think this is this is part of what's hurt the Acura brand

is sort of no risk taking

I guess staying in your lane while you're selling very little. I don't understand staying in your lane and not selling a ton of vehicles

I think the same goes for the Honda brand is

You guys need to be in the off-road segment

I just don't wouldn't put a lot of energy into element when I have so many platforms to kind of fit that

I have a feeling Honda pro Jason who follows this show will uh, we'll see this and give us some input because he is like the

Honda guy, right? The yeah, I like I like his stuff. He's very good and very thorough. He's the you know, number one

Honda, you know, uh

Guru I guess about all the models and I like when he just tells you all these weird things about how stuff works in the car

Yeah, I would have never guessed that never would have I mean I'm finding things out from a truck

I've had for three months and I'm like, why didn't I I could easily find a video like what are some cool things in here?

But no

Is that you that most of the time when you get something new like you don't like I haven't even experienced the full like

Dash of like the gti and I've had that for five years. You know, yeah, I'm pretty bad about it. Yeah

I'm very I'm very bad about just like oh look what I found six years later. Yeah, I told you that about the folding mirrors

Just a couple weeks ago. Like I didn't even know that they folded on their own. That's awesome

Yeah, no, I I I'm guilty of that. I mean

I have night vision. So

I just turn a night vision on I just turn it on in the middle of the day now like boop

Bro, I don't even have regular vision. I I'm lucky to just not hit shit when I'm driving, especially how wide that thing is

Um, here's a really interesting story

We have a few of them as we're landing the plane on the back half of the show back quarter of the show

We talked about the chief marketing officer last week from Ferrari that was going on this media tour, right?

Wait a minute

He was going on the media tour saying how they weren't forcing clients to buy the luce to get access to other cars

And what did I say rob for all those listening for the you made some very good points on videos?

That will get a lot of attention of how it actually works because you have a lot of firsthand experience

Well now fast forward another five days. He's no longer there now depending on what articles you read

It says Ferrari let go fired

Mr. I forgot his name. I have it right here. It's uh, Enrico Gallera

And then you have others I don't have a clue and then he has you have other articles saying that he stepped down

So whatever you want to believe we're just giving you both sides of what the articles say

But I just wonder by the way, is there any difference between being forced to step down and being fired?

It depends who you are because I'm sure if you ask him there's a huge difference like hey

I made a good launch and they just don't know what they had

We we said this at the time is along with I think 99.9 percent of others

This was a black eye

For a variety of reasons. It's a black eye on the design team from iphone

Uh, whatever their names are

Uh, I don't even think it's worth knowing their names personally

Uh, Johnny something. Yeah, who cares as well. It should be

Uh

So you got you got those guys that got a black, uh, you know got a black stain under reputation

This guy

It feels like he wasn't forced to go out and talk which is what might have got him clipped

I don't think the corporation was like, hey go do damage control because it seemed kind of

Out of character for what Ferrari would do. He has a very half-assed meaning

Because he said a lot of half-assed things. Yeah

And they're like, what do you mean? We don't force people to buy things. Have you seen the roma sales?

Have you seen for the california sales? We absolutely force people to buy stuff

What why'd you say that did they have the actual direct lines from clients of ours?

Why would you say that our clients didn't say that our clients said that?

I mean so you get clipped and

For anybody and I know there was a very tiny percentage that was trying to defend this whole launch

when somebody

Really deeply involved

Not from design, but from launching this gets clipped in a week or two

They know it's a disaster

Because what you'd want to do in corporate speak is just bury him on the bench

And then like a year down the road get get rid of them, right? You wouldn't want this to be out there

You know two to three weeks after this disaster of a launch like you got to think of it from the corporate world

They they're all about you know

Controlling the narrative and you know don't want to draw any you know red flags to the situation

He was so bad. They were like clipped on a tuesday

Dude, you can imagine jaguar kept that marketing team on longer than

Great point. You know if you get clipped faster than the jaguar team

Things aren't good. Something is really wrong. Yeah, which you know, by the way, I don't know how many more heads are gonna roll

That you're not gonna know about. Yeah, I think we talked we said that at the beginning

That's kind of the more my mind goes initially when these things happen. It's like they're trying to clear house

They they want any excuse to clear house. Yep. Yeah, and that that's why you see so many companies using the ai excuse

It's like well ai let's clip 40 000 people. It's like I've used ai you can't clip 40 000 people because of ai

Can you imagine how happy jp morgan was when they that chick

Still stole that trash can and dumped and then fired the next day like oh executive of dei. Whatever get out of here

Yeah, like they buddy when they are over bloated. They're looking for any excuse. Yeah to start clipping bodies

Did you just make a tuna sandwich in the get out of here?

You made tuna in the kitchen. Yeah, you brought who warmed up salmon in the microwave. See you

Oh, dude tilapia. Are you joking? I don't care if you're on a prep

Dude, I remember those days man like brutal you eat them cold eat the eat the tilapia cold if you're gonna be on contest prep

Right and by the way go into a corner somewhere away from people. Yeah, we're only you can smell your farts. All right

She is brutal

Horrible eggs in the office. Oh, dude. Oh, yeah, that's that's a that's a brutal one. Oh, um horrible. Whoops my bad

wow

Hey, man, you're making me laugh. All right, I take it as a compliment

Jamie wouldn't turn the camera off. I can tell you that I'm about to turn your camera off

And your mic and that concludes this week's show

So speaking of that's the rob minute. That's right. Now. I can do another hour for you. Don't think I can't

I'll do a whole solid hour upon myself. You'd be like, what about these ufo's?

Dude, hey, you don't think people people are yearning for me to talk about

Full circle professional right there

Listen, I got it pulled up if you're watching jaguar type o1, which what a stupid name that they stuck with

Um, they have an official debut date, by the way, if you didn't know in october at new york in new york

What a cool rap that is by far the coolest rap. I don't know what you're saying. What is what are people doing? Uh

This will be a dud

Let's call it what it is. It's been a dud from the beginning

And I just can't imagine many of you are that

Worried about what jaguar does the funniest part is we started watching this show

And don't tell me they have one in the show. Oh, they don't have one of these. Okay. They have

Some some some jaguar

sedans that these spies are being driven around on and I look over and I go that way mo they don't even build cars anymore

Your wife's like, what do you mean? I'm like, yeah, just don't build them

So I don't know where they got this one for this, you know high-end spy

You couldn't get a new escalator a new suburban. You just went with a jaguar that doesn't exist anymore. That's so funny

Yeah, I mean, that's that that's deep baseball right there. Yeah, it is dude

I mean, we kind of owe this car a little bit of credit

It was the first big debacle story, you know, whatever you want to call it that we talked about on the show in december of 2024

Um, had it not been for that big pink tube of lipstick, you know, who knows

Where that initial where would we be? Yeah, you know

Who knows if they hadn't built a candy narrow from the simpsons where we would be

And where that first initial fiery dump if you knew the show was the first three episodes that we dropped all at once on December 1st

You know, what's hilarious is watching people defend this now because it's it's now been in the ether so long

You can kind of be

Progressive and be like well, you know what you don't understand. Oh, right, right

A car manufacturer has ceased to manufacture cars for years now

There's no way to spend this

None. I don't even care what the car. I don't even care what the car looks like. Do you

Who cares what the car and the launch they stop they ceased to exist

There's no way to spin the jaguar story

None

You don't know these people's capabilities

They will spin this into the most

Enthralling articles that they have ever written in their lives. It's it's it's horrible. And by the way that rap

Is just another bad decision. Yeah, I mean

I'm just gonna what do the kids say these days and it makes me want to pull

What is it? Oh, it's giving it's giving when somebody says it's giving

I'm like, oh, I just want to put a pencil in my like john wick style through my

People that have have heard me on other podcasts. I had this

Coach once upon a time when you made a mistake. He would say you make me want to climb a clock tower with a rifle

God that is as Ohio as it gets buddy. He was ruthless

You'd make a mistake. He'd be like that makes me want to climb a clock tower with a rifle. What the

Dude, it was all time

This is so random, but I was watching an old clip might have been of hard knocks where it was

I think the browns coach real big guy with the mustache and he's dealing like hut in his belly. He's just kind of like hut

Oh, yeah, what was that dude's name? I forgot what his name was

But he was saying some just like basic stuff about like not doing too much

Like I don't know what it was dude. Like hey, dude, those old football coaches had all the lines. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, I mean you want water like what do you want water for get back in me 20 more

You know like hey forever for everybody. It's a little older like being able to walk to that garden hose, you know

water horse

And they be like you're not getting water right now

It's like if you did that today people like you know people died because of that. Let's just get some water dog calm down

It's high school football

I don't know how about you in ohio, but in texas. You don't just say it's just football. All right

Well, look, I mean we play high school games at the hall of fame. Let's let's relax texas. Okay. Let's relax

Okay, that's all relax. I get it. You guys you guys built some some cathedrals

Okay, we got the hall of fame slow down that we play high school games. Hey guys here's voice here's voice. All right

It just went this is when real

Very serious. Yeah, relax texas. Okay

Not a quiver in that sentence half of those high schools are in places. No one wants to live

So let's all calm down and yet they're moving there and yet they're moving there

It's it's 800 degrees with 100 humidity bro. I don't even want to show I for the first time

I'm peeling up here because I was out with the kids

Oh, dude, I've never gotten this tan in my life

well

We got to say it. I'm trying to keep it in moderation. So I'm you you

If you can't clean and you can't do landscaping and you peel from the sun

How mexican are you? I spent too much. I already spent I paid my dues. dues

I've been outside way too long. You're doing that says you trying to be more white. I mean

You know now you're peeling from the sun. So maybe I had breakfast with sammy. All right

So we're talking about some business things and what do you want me to do? He can hey, let me let me tell you something

Much easier to peel these days

Like you get out you get outside for like the wrong two hours. You're just like what the hell happened, dude

I saw some people from I think it was australia. They were just going for a bike ride by the time they got done with their hour bike ride

They literally their skin was just peeling off of their legs

What's going on? There's this dude, uh

His dad always cooks food and it don't burn the burgers. You ever seen those guys? Yes. Yes. Yes

Did you see what happened to one of his sons? No, dude. He got sun poisoning. Oh, shit. How dude

It was like people were in the no, no

No, he was out like he did some beach day or whatever and people were in the comments like i'm an icu nurse

You need to get to the hospital. Oh dang. Yeah, but that I love that family that that dad makes me crack up

Like and by the way, they get all kinds of traction on facebook

We gotta talk to them dude for real. Well, maybe now that we've gotten some we'll just continue to maintain our uh, our progression

Yeah, no, I love that that dad looks like he's always cooking for an army and he's like it's just me and my wife and they got like

42 steaks. I'm like, this is awesome

So funny

By the way earlier when we were talking about Toyota and the land cruiser and all their other things

One thing they can do apparently really well is rafor, which we've talked about but I just saw an article

And I didn't have it pulled up. They have such a shortage of them like a crucial shortage is like on the lots

They can't make them fast enough. They're selling them way faster than they can produce them

Maybe spin that formula into something else that land cruiser can kind of lean on. I don't know

Well, the other thing is you can't get a sienna

I didn't yeah, you're right. You can't get a sienna. I mean highlander's been critical shortage for

Since 2021

Mm-hmm

I don't I don't really know what they're struggling with

Now that Toyota did have a lot of suspicious quote-unquote fires in the last five years at different production plants

Speaking of tinfoil hat. These are suspicious fires

Uh, but I will say this they have

Critical shortage on like what three or four vehicles. Yeah

You gotta give them credit. They just got people bought like people are just like, yeah, we'll wait

Either that or they have the ultimate marketing department

It's just making it constantly seem like they have not enough of what you want to buy

But the problem is you can't get them so that I don't even think it's marketing. Yeah, that's true

Imagine if the dealer's in on it, too

Like hey, we're gonna let you buy this but in about six weeks. We're like six weeks back on everything you want to buy

But isn't some of it like

Three to six months. Yeah, it's months like six months

Well, that's kind of like the rx thing. They've just been selling rx since I was a kid seems like like rx has just been flying off the shelf

For 20 years. Oh, are we talking? What is that? Lexus? Lexus. Yeah, that rx member. I mean, come on, dude

Don't act like that's aristocrat talk

I mean, I kind of who buys an rx

I'm just getting millions of people. I know I almost got sold on an rx before we got the mazda

But when I called back, he's like sorry, it's sold. I'm like, why'd you try to sell me on it?

Yeah, because he was like because he's done this who first come first serve

I told you I was an hour away and you're like, yeah, okay, and then I call him back. We're on our way. Sorry. It's all like

All right, I'm never calling these deals should have called SpaceX got there quicker. Fuck that guy

Oh, it's old you just called me. I'm still annoyed by that. Yeah, not me. Good for him

Waste no time for any little any little

What do we tell people? What do we tell people? We're here to hang out and bust balls. Yeah

Yeah, that's ultimately basically what we're doing here and I called rob a white guy on the podcast this week

So we might get canceled

Well, it's no worse than whatever Asian joke. I made it like six months ago that somebody won't let go

It's like relax, bud. Yeah, relax

Or although if you want to give me the Shane Gillis treatment, I'll I'll take it on the chin

Hey tires is coming back dude

Did you finish season one of tires? Yeah. Oh, I've seen all of them. Okay. I need to go back

For some reason I just didn't finish the season, but it was great. I thought you were a come a comedy guy

Well, I I'm a english speaker. That's for sure despite me being brown

All right, it's my second language and I'm still good at it

Some would say some would say

I got one right here that I'm sure you're gonna have a lot of input real quick before we

We officially land the plan. This is one of those vehicles that I didn't know

Or I mean it was going to be popular but the the Lamborghini urus

Right mysterious new urus to be revealed on july 1st

These are awesome. But let me just say I feel like it's like a Hertz rena car at this point. They are everywhere

Which is a great thing

but Lamborghini Lamborghini he sort of

Nailed their client with these boy boy every nil. You know kid also wants one of these and it's not okay

It's an urus. That's for the higher nil guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah guys get Johnny money's of the world getting five mil

I mean what is really left to say about

Urus

Because I know people get really pissed when you don't pronounce things

In the language you don't speak but

This has always been done well from the very jump like they just nailed their client

Period

I think at this point it'd be more surprising if they didn't keep doing well

Yeah, that's true

Right like I just I can't believe I think anybody that's been around no one knew how these

Brands like Lamborghini, etc. We're gonna do these SUVs and Lamborghini for their crowd

Whether you like it or not because you're probably not a buyer

Their crowd

Absolutely loves these things. Yeah, I think that's one of the litmus test for me

Is like if the urus was doing poorly then like the world's really in trouble

Like if these aren't selling the way they've been selling we might have a problem

Well, do you see the numbers from prime day? I didn't actually I'm it's so funny you mentioned that usually I do know that kind of stuff

nearing down 20%

Yeah, I'll tell you what I didn't open. I've been open amazon in like two weeks

Maybe maybe a month. Yeah, I

I feel like my wife on the other hand. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a whole different thing

I don't really have a ton of stuff to buy on amazon anymore. I don't

I just don't know

What i'm supposed to be doing on there and every time I get on there. It's like a lot of stuff

I thought you were about to finish the sentence. I don't know what i'm supposed to be doing anymore

Just like a

I don't know I kind of done it all. Yeah, I don't I don't really know the only thing

Recently that's that's interesting is I went and looked at a macbook pro because I got an upgrade

Just time got my decade out of it or whatever how long I ever I had in mind

So I'm like, hey, I got to get a new one when you go through apple

It's a price. Yes, let's just use a price of like 3800 bucks

Mm-hmm

You go to that same thing through apple on amazon and it's like 2600 dollars

And i'm like it's sold by apple

What what is going on here until you see it? It's like sold by amazon. So it's actually not yeah, but here's the deal

Sold by amazon essentially the same the same level of confidence, right? Yeah, but this one was literally through the apple store

Same thing same thing. I couldn't believe it. I'm

I that's why I paused because I'm like there's got to be a difference

So I had to go I'd have the two screens up. Gemini. Tell me the difference between these two

And it's like this thing is just wasting more of my time. I just need a goddamn laptop

So yeah, it's it's amazon's one of those things for me

I'm I'm actually using it less than ever as well

And it's been I've been on a downward trend for a few years

And I've been hearing a lot of people make content around

Uh, whatever the you know, it could be a generational thing or just a economical thing people are moving towards the

What it's what do you call it like live events the experiential

Stuff and the experiential side of how they spend their time how they spend their money

And when I read stuff like that or I watch like it makes sense

I think you and I've been talking for years now about all kinds of stuff

Whether it's business related or just consumer related and between you saying how tapped out people are which is very true

And then just kind of how

Fed up almost with like the it's I say mundane, but we've all just kind of you work

You're online you work you're online and then you're like I don't want to be online anymore

I barely want to work. I definitely don't want to be online unless you have something

You're really trying to just consume or you're enthralled by most people are just kind of checking out of that like the online ecosystem

Well, you and I have

Actually talked about you know, even things like Joe Rogan, you know seeing seeing a dip where it's like now people are only

Like tim Dillon was on this week. Yeah, I might catch that episode for sure

But there's also like another 10 episodes. I'm not I'm like, I'm not not gonna not gonna do that

And it's not because anybody did anything wrong. It's just like you just said I'm just sort of tapped out

I'm like, man, it's

I can only listen to so much stuff. Yeah, you know, I can only do so many things

But the one thing I wonder has hit amazon

And I know people are

Really if you're in the comments

I loved this dynamic pricing

where

They're constantly selling things for more and less but the same product. I wonder how much of an effect that's just pissed people off

Yeah, because a lot of people are making that content as well

And it's coming from like tickets like airline tickets and hotel tickets amazon itself

It's true

I tell you what I got to travel across the country here in a couple weeks. Boy, they're giving you no

Benefit on those airline tickets anymore. No, like they're they're hitting you bud. You're you're you're going to pay

You are going to pay. This is going to be the price and this is what you're going to pay

And I heard somebody made it made a funny video may have been somebody like tim dillon. It's like

Yeah, we should just make flying less of an option. So just make it more expensive

So we we can get these people away from me. Are you ever hear the tim? I think it was tim dillon that did it

it's like buddy, they're they're inching towards that and uh, there's absolutely nothing

Nothing any of us can do but I think the amazon conversation is interesting is like

Household spending was down 20 on prime day 16 to 20 percent

And how much of that is tapped out and how much of it is?

I don't think that platform has evolved

You go on that like if you go on the app on your phone or you do it on a on a laptop or desktop

There is so much shit on that homepage. Yeah, that doesn't pertain to you

And it's like again, I'm hearing about all this ai stuff and I go

Why do I have all this shit? I wouldn't buy on the front page when I log in it has nothing to do with anything I've ever bought

Do you think that

I because I think about that sometimes too

But I never thought about like a platform of volume because it seems like if you really want to find stuff

You're kind of used to it like, you know where your home is my recent orders and my returns or whatever

But you do get just way too much too many results and too many related results

And now they're like you can get into this weird thing with amazon where you look something up over here

Whether on any search engine whether it's chat gbt whatever

Uh google you punch it in you click the amazon link and then it gives you a full ai

Like one page thing about have you had that happen yet? No, no, and I'm like

Is this amazon like an ai overview of what you're searching for? Yeah of the product. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

I don't have it happen every time, but I've had it happen several times where I'm like

Yeah, I'm out it just started typing like and I'm like click I'm done

I don't even know what I was looking for but I'm out

Let me ask you this when you google something if you still for you people that still use the googs

Um, do you watch or read rather the whatever analyzed?

You know ai thing that it gives you or do you skip down to like an actual

story video?

I'd say probably like 20 I read and the other things I'm like, I know what I I'm searching for dude

Let's let's go. So I don't know how helpful it is at this point and the infancy of all this

I'm sure it'll get more helpful the other thing about ai results that I found is

if you're looking for

Let's call it the best of something like you're you're ready to spend money on xyz and you know like hey

I've already been down the rabbit hole a little bit and you think you gave it a good prompt

And then it brings you up the first three results and the ai overview and you're like bud

I made it clear. I didn't even want these and the results

Like so it seems like very off-putting at times, but probably 20 of time I read that

So you're already ignoring me. You're new to the world. You know ai you're already turning into my life

How dare you you're already turning into my spouse ignoring what I'm asking you to do

Yeah, no, it's it's we are in a weird time and I think amazon's like a real

real litmus test of

deals aren't enough anymore man

That I mean to see 20 like you said 20 percent down 16 to 20 percent down in household spending

You know, I never really understood the prime days to begin with

I I just didn't really

You know

And I wonder how many people are starting to put together

How many middlemen are on amazon amazon's basically a middleman platform for the most part

And then you know in my world that whole supplement scandal they had where they found it

They were selling all these fake supplements. It's like there's just a lot not sitting right. Yeah. Yeah, and it's hard for people to like

I don't know swallow that because a lot of people have been buying these things for so long that they

Yeah, don't even want to look back and be like I've been kind of duped for how long what am I been ingesting or buying or

applying there was a

A creatin brand a creatine brand that that came out and they were doing all kinds of advertising

And so there was a special on amazon. I'm a 345 months ago

Good flavors things like that I started taking and I'm like

Something's not right

I just know something's not right

So then I went and got it from the stuff that I know now this creatine brand says it's all being tested

And we have athletes using it and all that's cool

The minute I go back on

the high stuff high

Higher cost stuff through

I use thorn. I don't know who that's a great brand

I go to thorn

I get it from the thorn store. I get it

Notice a difference right away like within the first week and i'm like

There's got to be something. This isn't placebo. I can tell the difference

Can you expand on that if you don't mind like what the difference was immediately? So first of all when you take when I take creatine

I carry around. I mean it helps you retain water in your muscles. Oh dude five to ten pounds

We'll take it. Yeah

So I got on this other brands creatine and I'm like

And immediately the scale just

And I'm like with the opposite direction. Oh, yeah, like I wasn't taking creatine. Oh

Get back on real creatine and it's like

Plus got stronger

More endurance all the things you get from creatine if you guys aren't taking it. It's like a no brainer. Of course. Yeah

So

Dude, I just I couldn't believe it. You were just knocking out pilates class after that. Yeah. I was yeah

I was just on the reformer again

I couldn't think of reformers around to go with pilates. I'm so glad you knew what it was

And by the way

If everyone listening tried to get on one of those reformers you would you died you died. You would just die. You died

I'm glad we're on the same page. I know I know some NFL guys who in the off season were like, ah, my wife goes to pilates

I'm gonna go to pilates and I talked to him like two weeks after he's like, I'm fucking miserable

I can't wipe my ass. This is the hardest shit I've ever done

These guys dead lifted 650 pounds and they're doing pilates with their wife through like

Never again. And then the funnier part is like, I don't feel like I got any better at my sport by doing this either

I'm sore for that sake of being sore. No, so in the group chat you got absolutely

Roasted and now you're sitting at home like not being able to move because you're so sore. Oh my god. My face hurts

This was that's sort of like hot yoga like the first time if you've ever done hot yoga you go

Oh my god, I'm not built for this dude. That's so funny when I had a business back in the days over a decade ago

We had a partnership with uh at the time it was called big room

But you're not allowed to say that anymore because the guy obviously is a whatever

He's a weirdo pervert kind of guy. So they just called it hot yoga and uh started doing it

It was so hard

But then you start doing it and and then you just kind of get used to the heat and whatever

That was some of the coolest because it's just like being you'd like being in sauna

We like being in sauna. So it's like sauna with a little bit of strength training and just so I'm clear

I like alone in the sauna. So let's not get weird out there

I don't know why you had to make it weird. I also like alone in the sauna. Well, I didn't know

I don't want people I didn't want people to think we were you know

Group sauna guys. Oh, let me I'm sorry. Let me specify. I know we like being in sauna separately

Different times in different states not with each other. I'm uh, I'm five days a week these days. Yeah, yeah

Ever since I got it. Yeah, we only FaceTime one of those five days. I was like, hey, dude, I'm in sauna

Dude, what's going on?

Let's talk business

Yeah, right

It always devolves into something about some sort of as they say jeez me. Did you hear what this guy said in the car world?

I did actually

Um, all right, this wasn't my face literally hurts

Well, this is a great episode all you new listeners

I know you made it to the end of the show if you want to drop us a line

It's clutch culture podcast at gmail.com or go to clutch club if you want to join the discord

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I'm usually in there as well. Nick is in there from time to time

Um, hey, dude, I need to start. I'm just gonna make a chat bot pretended to be in there and I'm just gonna phone it in

I'm just gonna say I stole the raptor idea from nick

I'll make sure that it refutes all of those allegations

And if you see one allegation in there, here's what I want you to write exactly

I will actually before we go, uh, this will drop on monday meaning that this sad this weekend is fourth of july

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Which has all of the essential products you would need and then maybe add a couple more things to it

Yeah, man, we're we're excited always a good time of year

I don't have any big 4th of july plans. I think just pool and hanging out. Yeah, same

It seems to be one of those holidays now where

You just kind of stay in your lane. Yeah seems to have changed. There's certain

Things you just don't want to do being out on the road july 4th that kind of thing

It's a real thing now. So yeah, we're just gonna chill and and kind of enjoy the weekend. Yeah, I got my 4th of july slash

Father's Day gift is an american 250 hat right here the ashros 250 hat. So yeah, shout out

Does it have an apple watch on there? That was the red

Oh, sorry. See you guys. What does that have a trash can on one of the sides? That was the allegations

See you guys next week. I don't want to hear it. See you guys next week. See you guys

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