10th Anniversary Special - Austin is at Road America!
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Welcome everybody to Slip Angle Show!
I'm Austin Cabot and today we are at the legendary Road America in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin.
Austin, I miss you so much it hurts sometimes.
Hi Abe, how's it going?
It's pretty awesome.
I get to see you once a year.
You come to Oshkosh for a big plane festival and you sometimes cross paths at Road America,
so we're here.
Yeah, it's really strange that like my two lives kind of crisscross up here in Wisconsin
this week.
So you go from airplanes at the Oshkosh Air Show, which is like 50 minutes away, to
Road America, like the last three years that's been the same weekend.
So the first year when it was with the IMSA event, we kind of did, Gridlife did the kind
of exhibition style time attack stuff during the event, showed up for that and that was
really cool.
It stormed that night.
I was camping in a hammock under some of the awning garages and I thought I was going
to die.
Yeah, it looks like it might rain again and you're motorcycling this weekend, so maybe
you'll, I don't think that the rain probably bothers you all that much.
No, no, we'll be fine in the rain, pretty much all conditions except for ice on the
road all right in.
So even in Tennessee in the winter time when I was still commuting, I would still commute
on the motorcycle.
The coldest that I saw was 16 degrees when I left the house in the morning.
Yeah, as long as there's not ice on the road.
I had a motorcycle for a couple of years and in Chicago, I would ride consistently from
like the beginning of March to the end of October, early November, which is about for
you.
Yeah, yeah.
But you and I have had a chance to talk a whole bunch already, so we didn't get that
part recorded, but Austin, nobody wants to hear about FTPs and stuff.
My FTP went up this week, I'm very excited.
I actually did do, Road America is very hilly.
I think many people would know that the front straight has a big hill on it, but from Canada
Corner all the way up to the start finishes uphill.
So last night, very late, I went out and did 25 miles of riding or so and had 1350 elevation.
So like a couple of like hills, certainly enough to put some work in.
So what we need to do, Abe, is when you start coming to more events, I'll bring a bicycle.
We'll start another podcast called Track Riding.
Track Riding.
And we'll just wear wireless mics and record as we ride bicycles around the track at speed.
Well, and obviously that would be better.
There'll be a lot of heavy breathing, but there's so much heavy breathing.
Also, there's a Strava segment between turn five and turn six.
And the fast time is 22 seconds.
And I worked quite hard and did 28 seconds.
And I'm pretty confident that the only way you could get to 22 is if you enter turn five
so fast that it's borderline approaching a wreck because there's the hill up to six is
pretty significant.
So you need your average speed to be high right away.
And I went through what I thought to be pretty quick and I tracked all the way out to the
curbing.
Yeah.
It was not nearly fast enough.
So it's one of two things for that 22 second time.
I think it's either a very, very fit pro driver that was riding here or they also wrote America
also hold cycling events here on the track a couple of times a year.
And there's I just read about they do some crit racing and stuff here.
It might have been set during that.
Could have been 22 seconds is real quick.
Yeah.
That's average speed of 30 30 miles an hour uphill between five and six.
Yeah.
The track really needs like a bicycle lap record chart here.
Eight minutes.
Is it really eight minutes?
My time from yesterday I'm riding solo, but my time yesterday was 13 minutes.
Eight minutes is flying.
Yeah.
It's four times slower than like a really fast car, but you're on a bicycle.
I mean, think about the power that it takes to do eight minutes around here on a bike.
That had to have been on the bike.
And I bet it's 450 watts the whole time.
Jesus.
Yeah.
That is that is moving on a bicycle.
So now that we're deep into bike talks, you should know that Austin likes airplanes.
Sometimes he likes cars.
He likes motorcycles and he likes bikes.
I do.
I do bikes.
Bikes are what I started off as or with as a kid.
Right.
So like rode my bike everywhere.
I was lucky to grow up in a community, two communities actually that had trails that
go out the whole community.
So I could ride my bicycle to school, friends houses, the pool, any of that stuff.
That was my first taste of freedom at like seven years old, getting to leave the neighborhood
on my bicycle by myself to go to a friend's house at a, you know, neighboring neighborhood.
But yeah, it seems like everything that I'm into now that I think about it has to do
with freedom.
Yeah.
Like, I probably many of many of the listeners in our age group have similar experiences
where they grew up, like kids just kind of roamed free.
Somehow you've managed to maintain the kind of adventuring existence that not everyone
gets to keep.
And I think it's gotten worse.
And I think it's because of a lack of responsibilities is really what it comes down to.
I think responsibilities and fear of the unknown, as we age, keep people from doing
a lot of stuff.
Like, like the trip that I did to Alaska, if somebody has the time easily accessible
to do, right?
Like there's roads that go everywhere, you can pay for credit cards with pretty much
anywhere you go.
Sure.
Right.
Nothing is stopping you from the time and the desire and drive to do it.
A lot of people have the desire.
Most of them have the drive.
It's the time I think like that trip to Alaska on the motorcycle that I did last year was
six weeks long.
So 13, almost 14,000 miles.
But you have done multiple many week motorcycle trips over the last 10 years.
Oh, yeah.
Before you were a motorcyclist, you used to host the slip ankle podcast.
Yeah.
That is true.
And actually as a motorcyclist on that one big trip to Rhode Atlanta, I recorded a bunch
of shows on the way to and from.
So I just it kind of I tried to string everything together.
Yeah.
Um, this weekend, it's been you, you tend to only come to this Road America event,
but it's Saturday.
There are quite a few people at this event.
We've got some unique features for Road America, one of which is the USF junior
formula series, which is really cool to see a nice thing to add to our our paddock.
What has been the biggest surprise you've seen since you've been here?
I think the biggest surprise that I've seen actually has to do with the people that I've
seen, right?
Like grid life was part of my life for so long.
Whenever I see a familiar face, they usually do a double take because they're not used
to seeing me at these events, but then you catch up and it's like nothing ever changes
like you saw them two weeks ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I really like that aspect.
And I think that's what has always driven me to the track to grid life events.
It always comes down to the people.
So to be honest, I haven't really watched the track a whole lot because I've spent
a lot of time just catching up with people.
Yeah.
Well, I said this to a member of the Houghton crew, Mitch, I saw him at Mid-Ohio and I was
like, Mitch, long time no see.
And I was like, wait, what?
I saw you at Midwest Festival.
That was a couple of weeks ago.
Actually, when we think about what we're doing at the track consistently over the summer,
it's like a this traveling family reunion that meets 10 times a year.
Well, that was always a crazy thing, right?
Like, especially when I was going to every single event, I would see my track friends
way more than I would see any of my actual family.
Some of them that even lived in the same town as me.
I believe that.
Yeah.
And the conceptually, that's what keeps me coming back because you could argue that
I don't need this additional complexity in my life and it's obligations on the weekends
and I'm traveling with family and I've got Sloan and blah, blah, blah.
But like the idea of not coming to see my track friends who are my family at this point
would be horrible.
Yeah.
So.
I mean, it's you get to catch up with people.
You know what's going on in their lives.
You get to know their kids, right?
You see their kids grow up.
Yeah.
Right?
We were just talking about Chris Stewart's kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jack is what?
Maybe close to six foot now?
Like, he's pretty tall.
He's a pretty big kid.
And he's a junior in high school.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's crazy to see like him and Eames and seeing Sloan, right?
Like last time I saw Sloan.
I started kindergarten in a couple of weeks.
I think I saw Sloan in mid Ohio when you had the RV.
Yeah.
Right?
When she was a baby baby.
Yeah.
That was four years ago.
Uh-huh.
Like.
Well, and we were, Ashley and I were laughing even today about when we went to PPIR that
first year after Sloan was born.
We two, it's a 16 hour drive from Indianapolis to PPIR was 18 in a slow SRV Sloan was eight
weeks old.
Yeah.
And like, that's not a rational decision to take an eight week old to a music festival
many states away, but we did it.
The crazy thing, I think years down the road, right?
Seeing these kids being able to have these memories, they don't know it now, but they're
going to remember growing up, going to the racetrack with their family, you know, seeing
their dad race or even, even if it's not even racing, even though it's just hanging out.
Well, getting to be exposed to it.
And I don't expect that Sloan will ever actually want to be a racer.
I want to support her in whatever she wants to do.
But I would say that Emma and Maddie right now in timing are Sloan's favorite people.
And they're pretty good role models for my daughter.
And that's pretty excellent.
Here's Adam.
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but don't let your kid be a racer.
It's just too expensive.
My only input.
What are you guys talking about?
Hi, Austin.
Oh, we're just talking about track family and, and you know, just kids growing up around
the track, talking about, talking about seeing our track buddies, friends grow up around
us.
Yeah, it's fun to see like, we got like 10, 15 year old kids in the paddock that like,
I met when they were a baby at Honda me, which is wild.
Well, like I told Abe, I was surprised to see how big Jack has gotten.
Yeah.
And Jack, Jack working on the ops team, like when we, when we started grid life, he was
like three, four.
Yeah.
He did.
I think he's just got his license.
He's 16 now.
He did.
He was here.
What's, what's daddy Chris have him driving?
One of the Honda fits that we bought years ago and did that eBay challenge thing with.
Oh yeah.
So nice.
Or that's going to be a scar.
I'm not positive.
Not the Fiesta.
No, no.
Kyle owns the Fiesta.
Okay.
I might have sold it.
I remember, I remember doing the, the Sunday cup.
Well, it wasn't even, yeah, I guess that was the first year of Sunday cup when it was called
Sunday cup.
We did the build in the tech shed.
We did the tech shed build of the Fiesta at Gingerman just built it overnight because
those cars, that's, that's all you need.
Right now on track is TA.
This looks like it's probably A or B cars are quick.
Um, the, the builds in track battle have the builds in everything with grid life have
gotten crazy.
Like as somebody that comes once a year, essentially, even year to year, it's crazy.
But from when I was, I was doing grid life, every single event, the progression and the
lap times have just gotten ridiculous.
They're so, so fast.
So there was a new, a new track battle and limited record set this weekend, right?
So four.
Yeah.
Wow.
That is moving.
Yeah.
That's pretty insane.
And like, not all of, uh, you know, this progression comes from the car development.
Like the drivers who are driving within the series have been with the series for a long
time.
Yeah.
I mean, the skill level has gotten a lot higher.
Yeah.
Skill level has gotten, gotten a lot higher when, and having a place like grid life to
be able to come and drive and improve as a driver and have multiple events every year
that you attend, right?
It just, it lends itself to that before you'd have to string together events from different
organizations, right?
Or maybe you're going to the same track every time, right?
Cause it's, it's down the road from the house, which lends itself to becoming a better driver,
but having the experience of being able to drive from being a skilled driver.
And I set it back in the day, right?
When we first started the show that I've always thought of race tracks as like words, right?
And you learn to write your letters in each corner on a track as a specific letter.
Some of those tracks have the same letters in them, right?
You learn how to drive this type of corner.
You can drive that type of corner at any track that has that same type of corner.
But every track you go to has some little nuanced corner that you don't get anywhere
else.
So, but you learn how to drive that and then you add that to the skill set and then you
can write the whole alphabet.
But I mean, I think probably the grid life calendar over the years has had 20, 20 ish
unique tracks over, over the period, probably at least, yeah, probably 20, at least 15.
And so like, okay, we have drivers kind of going to all of these events.
I mean, there are some that don't miss events and their talent level kind of correlates,
right?
Like how willing you are to put in work and do all this different stuff manifests itself
as people who have confidence and ability at the racetrack.
Yeah.
Well, Adam says 18, 18 tracks, can you grab me, but what else is going on here?
We've got like this massive Hyundai booth here and they're given ride alongs and the Hyundai
product that they've come out with, with all of their in cars.
Yeah.
It's, to me, it's an insane value for what it is.
Yeah.
Like they've done some really cool stuff over the last couple of years that I would have
10 years ago, you could have told me like, Hyundai is going to bring out some performance
cars.
I would have laughed at your face.
Right.
Like I just would have.
It's just like not at the time, it wasn't really how you identified the brand and their
racing program has been really strong and the cars are unique.
I, Adam, have you written in one of the, the IONIQ 5Ns?
Yeah.
I wrote in the one that we have.
It's fast.
It's like you're just fast.
Electric cars, in my opinion, are cool.
I think everyone on the show knows that because it's.
Abe's an electric car fanboy, but they're real fast and they are cool and you don't have
to go to a gas station.
I think you're an anti-gast station fan.
I'm firmly anti-pumping gas.
We're going to buy your cigarettes though.
I don't buy cigarettes.
I know.
I'm just kidding.
Amazon.
Amazon a whole carton.
I love being able to charge at my house.
It's a gym.
If I lived in an apartment, I would not be so electric enthusiastic.
That seems like it would complicate it a lot.
So now with the infrastructure that's out there, it keeps constantly getting better for
electric cars.
Personally, for me, living out in the country and liking to drive cross country without
a plan, it doesn't work for my lifestyle.
But for a lot of people it's the perfect vehicle for them. Yeah
So Adam talk to Austin
You're not even doing anything important
It's a Saturday at Rowland Road, America, which means it's the busy day for us
Yesterday morning was absolutely like hairy busy. It was crazy
I should say the yesterday felt on the competition side felt a little bit soft because we didn't have
We didn't have any races. We only had practice and quality yesterday
Which meant that like things were just a little bit lighter felt like but
This track always presents challenges and I think there was a decent number of
Driver collisions with walls which sometimes happens and it's always a concern at Road America
Yeah, I mean we've talked about it before any track that's built for spectators
The spectators want to be as close to the action as possible
Bringing people as close to the action as possible means walls, right? So like any pro circuit
Unfortunately, that's the way it is and walls just aren't very forgiving
Yeah, yeah, concrete ones are not very forgiving tire barriers a little bit better, but yeah concrete does
Unfortunately, we had to move a couple walls back yesterday. Yeah
So you you came from Oshkosh
You you ride a BMW is it 650 GS are 1250 GS adventure
Okay, that's 7.9 gallon tank, which for a motorcycle is gigantic. It's one of the biggest tanks on the market
So I haven't I'm not an expert on BMW motorcycles because I've been out for a little while
At the time they had a GS 650. Yep
This one is a what you just said but say it again
R 1250 GS adventure in BMW nomenclature the R means that it has a
Flat twin, so so the pistons are it's an opposing twin. Is it a 1200? It's a 1250. Okay. Yeah
So it's it's a decent size motor the newer ones are water-cooled the old ones are air-cooled
Okay, but that's BMW's first motorcycle had that same style engine. Sure. So for a while having the 911
the Porsche and
Flying airplanes I had a flat twin
The the four-cylinder airplanes a flat four and then a flat six and the 9-11 like my whole life revolved around around flat motors
Wow, so
So it's a it's kind of an adventure bike. Yeah, no, it's it's totally it's called an adventure touring bike
And what it is it's it's a bike that's made to ride
Almost anywhere you can't on single track. It's not great
But like when Ewan McGregor did they did long way round back in 2003 they did it on these BMWs, okay?
And I bought it specifically
Well for two reasons one I wanted to ride to the top of Alaska sure and there's 600 miles of dirt road to get up there one
Way and then 600 miles back. So it's 1200 miles of dirt
Wanted to do that and then also just I
Started taking a lot more longer trips like the bike when I got back from Alaska. It was a little over a
Year and a half old and it had 41,000 miles on it when I got back and you had purchased it new
Yeah, yeah, it had seven miles on it when I got it
This is the first motorcycle
I've ever I do I do what's nice like valve checks and stuff the pistons come right out the side
You don't have to just simple anything. Yeah, I take my my cylinder skid plates off
And then you remove the spark plug and then you remove the valve cover and it's right there crazy thing about it magnesium valve covers
How do they like how do they keep time? Is it a chain or is it gear driven or what is it?
Um, I think it's gear driven in those
Yeah, are they so it's gear driven. So some of the newer ones like the Honda VFR 800 that I had was
There was a chain
But my older VFR 800s are straight gear or straight driven or sorry straight cut gears that drive the cams
And it sounds like a supercharger. It's pretty cool
That bike shaft drive as well. So there's no chain maintenance
Okay
So especially on a long trip where you'd have to clean and you know everything you do
You do a thousand miles in a day and then you got to do chain maintenance when you get to the campsite
So that's the other part too. I do I camp off the bike a lot, right? And it's not that I love camping
It's just that I hate spending money
so
So just camping off the bike you live lends itself to like if you can save some money
It helps. Oh, yeah, absolutely reduces your obligation to work job. Yeah, anything to not have to go back to work
So I actually to do the Alaska trip. I stopped working last May and I'm still not back at work yet
So currently working on our cabin that we have in Tennessee
Stripping it down to the bare wood
Having to seal all the cracks up and then changing the color and it's just it's a huge undertaking
I knew it was gonna be a lot of work
I didn't know is quite gonna be this much work and it's so hot in Tennessee right now
Well, you were you're doing you're trying to do adventure on the cheap how the trip last year to Alaska was six weeks
What did it cost to execute?
if I don't include the set of tires that I bought like if it was just
Camping fuel all of that probably about three grand
Three grand for a six-week like once in a lifetime
Once in an annual Austin type vacation
Is a good value. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So and that was that was camping
I was gone for 36 ish nights and I camped for 28 of them
Yeah, so but I wanted to swim in the Arctic Ocean. So I actually went to the Arctic twice
So there's two highways in North America that lead to
The Arctic Ocean one of them is called the Dempster Highway
Which was just recently the last little bit was completed in 2017 before that it was just an ice road out to this
This fishing village called tuk-tuk-tuk
Northwest Territories like there's nothing out there, but this fishing village
But what's really cool is you can camp right on the Arctic Ocean. There's this little like peninsula that sticks out
There's a sign that says Arctic Ocean that you have to go and take your picture with with your motorcycle
But yeah, but there's the hard part is there's no facilities out there. There's fuel in the middle
So it's like 250 miles between fuel stops, okay, which on most motorcycles. They have smaller tanks
So the seven gallon. Yeah, the seven almost eight gallons comes in clutch if you're riding slower
You get 350 400 miles
Like 40 depends on how fast you're going usually for me 72 miles an hour is like perfect on cruise control on that thing
You're getting about 44 45. So which is pretty decent if you slow down though
You you can go a lot further. So but I did I granated a TPMS sensor out in the middle of nowhere about a hundred miles in
So I was wearing goggles and I got a bug splat on my goggles and I'm sitting there wiping it while I'm going down the road
We're doing 70 miles an hour on dirt whatever were you with other people? No, it's just me
But there was there was a rock in the road that I hit and I guess the rotation of the wheel hit
Perfectly where the part of the wheel the TPMS sensor was right under it shattered it on that bike
Unfortunately the valve stem threads into the TPMS sensor. So at that point it wouldn't hold pressure. Yeah, so I ended up
I rotated as a 90 degree valve stem. I rotated it up 90 degrees
Put a zip tie around it to keep it shut
You know like hold it up against it zip tie and then I ended up riding 1700 miles with a zip tie around it
Would break every like 200 kilometers and I go tired start. Yeah, go flat
So but I kept the TPMS up right so I could read it when it started going down
I
Realized that if you add some throttle and go a little bit faster, right?
The centrifugal force would actually keep the valve shut more so you can get a little bit further down the road
Yeah, stem in or whatever. Yeah, so because there's really hardly any facilities out there
Do you take like a bunch of tools and stuff like that when you something?
I took enough like I have a toolkit specific to the bike and now anytime I work on the bike
I use that same toolkit so that I know I have all the tools or know what I need to add
The crazy thing was I was coming through a place called a hurricane something
On the Alaska Highway. There's a wall stickers, right? Yeah, right by the door team skill of corn sticker
Allen skill of corn had been a couple years ago. Yeah, so that was that was pretty funny
I had to take a picture owner or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's out in Arizona
Maybe doing political stuff out there. I don't know. I haven't talked in a long time. Yeah, so I did my CRX one time
For an sec a majors race. He was trying to qualify for run-offs
crashed it
Crash it a little not a lot. Ah, it happens. Yeah, I had to do a fender and a bumper and a
Headlight and tied to a tree and pull that corner
Yeah, that car that car love being a race car, but man a lot of people crashed that car and it's like
So died here in the kink. Oh, really? Yeah, the guy the guy that bought it from the guy that I sold it to
Dad it died on the stream for run-offs in the kink
And it still had a big old grid life sticker on the window and a bunch of people thought
A bunch of people messaged me like hey, is that your car? Like yeah, I sold it free advertising for grid life man. Thanks
So Abe and I were talking about the rush cars earlier
I asked Abe if he had ever gotten to drive one the answer was no. Have you no, okay? I don't want to know you think you might end up
With one. Yeah
Time space for money for a rush car
Fitting the grid life trailer probably yeah, just hang it upside down in the ceiling in the in the semi-trail
But Abe and I were talking the running cost of those things is actually very like a hundred ten hundred twenty dollars an hour
That's so cheap. That's like with like
The time-out factored in like time out of the engine and time out of like nuts and bolts and blah blah blah
It's pretty wild
I'm trying I want to find the stock pile of motorcycles that they have where the motors come out of
Yeah, they do because it's just it's just all of these bikes without engines
But all these other hundred brand new brand new chassis. Yeah, like that's that's crazy supposedly before he passed away
Dave the founder he was trying to sell them to a company in China who was going to re-engine them or something
I mean, they'd actually be good like electric motorcycle conversions. Yeah, I maybe that's what it was
It might have been some company was gonna but I think they were all gonna go overseas somewhere
Okay, but yeah bunch of brand new motorcycles. Yeah, you think that what what are those Suzuki motors?
The Hayabusa motors. It's not a high-busier. It's 1000 cc. Okay. There's a thousand cc
Yeah, Jixxer Jixxer 1000 just XR 1000 Jixxer 1000. Okay. Yeah, you'd think that like Suzuki would like open up an engine program for
So in those things do those things have reverse
Suzuki GSX GSX GSX s1000. Okay. Do they have reverse? No, they don't so if you like end up nosing up against a wall or something
Yeah, you think that they they do it the way that they do like gold wings where they run that they reverse the polarity on the starter
Then you could yeah, I don't think they came with that engine. Okay, there's a thing but not with yeah
Well, no if you somebody could make something. Yeah, so
They also if you spin you have to clutch in really if you backwards roll it the starter turns into a like a rat like a
They call it the can of rocks. It sounds like you have a pop can full of rocks. Oh, really started just explodes
It doesn't hurt the engine except to change the starter. Okay, but also can't restart and they're stuck
So really gotta get in the habit of like doing a few things differently than a real car like clutch in if anything goes stupid
Just to protect the drivetrain and the chain and all the things 15 years when those things are like
The used ones are like very worn out. I would love to go buy one and just have fun with it
Yeah, like there's a couple of them that have been engine swap to yeah
People put a high-business one in Florida and but the chassis are pretty robust and it's it's pretty basic to frame design
Yeah, when Tennessee's pretty lacks on their street legal requirements the street legal high-business one in Florida's for sale
Really? Yeah, you imagine that like in the mountains. They put a plate on it. It'd be so cool. Yeah
Awesome, I've boosted probably
Like another 50 horsepower, too. Oh, yeah, they're like 200 horsepower. Yeah, I think they're like two a little over two
What are those 1300 cc? Yeah, okay. Yep. Yeah, the
Driving one of those cars on the street though. Like it's got like turn signals and crap. Yeah, like what a crazy idea
Whatever happened to your motorcycle powered
The dude that I sold it to is here racing GLTC and like a maroon 240 over there Matt Beck, okay
And he sold it back to me
He did a bunch of work to it
And I I stupidly bought it back because I was like, yeah, I could play with another car and then like six months later
I was like, I can't even look at this car. It's too busy. This is a couple years ago
Let the I sold it at the last PPIR. I think okay, dude from California came out and bought it
Yeah, because that was the that was when I bought my Godzilla swap truck from Colorado
I picked I picked I dropped the car off and I picked the truck up. Okay, put it on the trailer and take it back home
And yeah, because the truck didn't run when I bought it
But I sold it to dude in California who has completely redone
the drivetrain to like a different motorcycle engine and then
He's built all this crazy like homebrew aero and he's running it in B mod in autocross
Okay, which is actually like a really good life for that car. Yeah, it's not a great track. It's fun
Yeah, it's not I would I looked at it again after I bought it back and I was like hmm. This is not where I want to die
I don't want to die in this like it was fun
But if I'm gonna die, I sell a lot of metal tubes
Yeah, I don't fit very good and it's designed in the 90s by people that weren't worried about safety as much
So Matt had built a really nice new cage for it. So it was a lot lot safer
Okay, but still like it's still bunch of one-inch thin wall tube. Yeah, it was brazed together. Yeah, really?
Yeah, that's how they do that's old school. Yeah. Yeah
It's it's living a it's living its best life as a pretty wild autocross car crazy crazy wings
The dude's making all his own stuff. It's pretty neat. Yeah. Yeah, aside from the my vintage 9-11 right now
I don't have any fun cars. I don't really have any plans to what year is that 9-11? It's an 84
Yeah, but I did I spent a little bit of time with David Calzada last night and he was showing me their NC build
Yeah, that seems like it'd be a really cool dual-purpose car and John Raymond just built one. Oh, really?
He built a case-wap NC. Okay. I drove it at
Taco track day
Also kind of crashed it oops. Yeah, I
The yeah, it's real fast. It's just it's like a full effort K-24. So it's like 220 to something like that
ASM actually threw it together for him and just a half cage in it right now
It's pretty fast
But it was having weird issues were like the clutch pedal randomly would stay on the floor. Oh really and
It it went to the floor
Coming in I downshifted going into five
And I was running on a civic line. So I got way out on the curb
You know the big square curb on the outside right of six. Yep
And it the pedal went to the floor and like I had this stupid moment where I was like wait
What and I stopped driving for a second and then I spun and the back of it just like graze spectator hill
Oh, really? So I had to buy an exhaust
the exhaust
It didn't do any metal damage to the car or a bumper got scratched up, but he's put a different bumper on anyway
The exhaust like
Grab the hill and bent upwards and bent the sway bar. Oh, really? So I did buy a sway bar. Oh, geez
Yeah, I felt really bad. He was like, yeah, whatever. Yeah
Yeah, this is embarrassing
I think if I if I wanted to go build something and have something fun to drive in the mountains
I think that'd be it's a good chassis. Yeah, it's so much more modern. You put tons of tire under it, too
Yeah, and they got people put like 275s under OEM bodywork. I think yeah, right 255s are like no big deal
Yeah, that's like standard. I'm like 10 inch wheels. Yeah
But yeah, they're they're a lot stronger than old me had us to like the crash better
It's like a better overall car when those chassis
I think share a lot in common at least suspension design wise with the RX-8. Yes, but the RX-8 is a really good chassis
It's identical. Yeah, like you can pull. I think you can bolt everything onto it from RX-8
But like something's different heights or something. I forget, but I know you put RX-8
Axles and hubs in the back which makes it stronger people the when there was a bunch of them in GLTC. They were doing that
Because I guess the rear hubs are weak link or something
But yeah, cool cars. Do you see RX-8's on the road at all anymore? I haven't seen one in years
I can't remember the last time I saw one that wasn't on a racetrack. Yeah, like I just I don't know what happened to them
I think they were everywhere. The renaissance motor just like
People bad
It needed enough love from you know from like a rotary perspective and like the pedestrian people didn't do that
Yeah, they didn't beat on them enough. They didn't put you know, whatever you got to put in oil
Yeah, they burn some oil that you can buy a lot of RX-8s for like two grand
Yeah, almost no compression. That'd be a good case. Well candidate to I don't know if David's done those yet
Some people have we've had a case of RX-8 out, but like all DIY
I don't think anybody's sold a kit for it, but I could be wrong. I could be wrong
um
Yeah, David and I were we're talking about
Those weekends that we spent in your shop. Oh, man
Just chopping my old NB up getting drunk and taking apart that dent that remember how dented the bottom
Oh, it was so bad the first the frame rails were literally like caved in the first came out
It lived as like a stance life car before you bought it. Didn't you buy it with like a built engine?
Yeah, it had a built engine and it was a built 1.8 sold the engine
Originally, I bought when I bought it the plan was for it to be my my my wheel the wheel car
Um, look underneath and it's like this chassis. Yeah, it was pretty rough. Yeah, it was it was pretty rough
I'm we're like on a counter and the bottom of the car was like this flat
Because it had been jumped over railroad tracks. Yeah, it's just drugged down. Yeah, it was rough
But it served its purpose
It's so weird like looking out the windows at the tower and there's like festival girls just walking around in their underwear
So what a weird place grid life is it's uh, the paddock's pretty poppy today compared to yesterday
Did they do they re-release b or no?
I'm not sure so i'm not paying attention. Uh, it's john's problem. No, but uh, we a friend of ours who's been on the show
Just had a hard impact. Oh really?
Probably should talk about it
He's okay with stiff. I guess. Yeah
I hadn't seen uh, mike jusolt's car in a long time. It looks a lot different than it used to. Yeah, he
Yeah, yeah, yeah 200 miles an hour. What uh, where did he crash?
Laguna he crashed at laguna. He did crash at laguna
Uh, he got cars been crashed a few times a bunch of times. Yeah bike speak laguna with us
Yeah, I think he crashed it lightly when we were here for an ass car. I think that's right. Yeah
Maybe we should maybe we should talk to mike
Make him not crash his car. He's he's been on the show once or twice. He's a really good guest
I mean, maybe we should talk to him about not crashing his car. Oh, well, sure. Yeah
I don't think he's trying to cars really fast. Do you see the new front end on it too?
It's like it looks like a camaro, but it's got like no frontal area because
The top of the bump or the top of the like the front headlights is now like a little wing
Yeah, i'm looking at it right now like literally it you can see the hood behind the grill
I guess the air just goes straight through the grill. They took the frontal area way down
So it's probably breaking 200 here again. We should we should ask him about that. That looks pretty cool
But yeah, it's super unique when I walked up up to it in grid yesterday
I had to take some pictures the carbon work is so exceptional too. Like I they must just I feel like everything mike does is exceptional
Like artistically exquisite in addition to execution. What did Fleming run yesterday? 203 204
What was our record to 204 something? Okay, but he beat that. Yeah crazy
Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day and we we had talked
Right around now marks about like the 10 year anniversary of this show probably 20 2015
It was right after we started. It was like a month or two after the second grid life. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I think we recorded like show number
Four or five at Honda meet that year. Yeah, probably yeah, and that's when I think that's what Brian was there
Yeah, I went to itrx belated that year and we had like 50 people on for three hours. Yeah, and that's when that itr
That's when we had uh peter on two. Yeah, that's true. Yeah super awkward. Yeah, yeah, julie. That's coming here. You talk
So what else
airplanes race cars bicycles
Did we finish our motorcycle talk?
I mean I I can talk about motorcycles. Can we talk about bicycles for a minute?
Yeah, let's talk about bicycles. So something that I haven't purchased
That you are trying to convince me to purchase is an e-bike. Oh, it's the best thing ever
So I'm I'm really skeptical on the nature of this e-bike because I bike for fitness. Yeah, and
Uh, if I bought an e-bike it would reduce the obligation for fitness
Potentially you can still get a good workout, right? The the main thing is you don't burn yourself out
So you can ride day after day after day long rides and you're not that gassed, right? The recovery time
Is a lot a lot lower, right? But but for somebody like you that's very analytical
Who wants to record pretty much every data point? Yeah, it's not
Maybe not what you're looking for but is a good recovery day bike or an off-season trainer
So I thought so the the and we're talking
Pedal assist e-bikes not the ones that you see like the rad power bikes that old people ride around with throttles and stuff
There is no throttle just just for the listeners
Because they probably have an idea of an e-bike in their head
Sure, the bikes that we're talking about are much different. They're they look like road bicycles
like road bike in a
Drop bar drop bar bike capacity, but they have pedal assist and the amount of power assist is actually quite significant
It's like I think it's 250 watts. Yeah, it can be mine can be up to 320. That's so much
Yeah, so which means that like climbing this hill up the front straight at
Road america you could do it quickly
Without pedaling at all
No, you still have to pedal. Well, I mean like yeah, you don't have to put a lot of input in yeah
So typically I ride mine the way I have it set up you can do different percentages of power, right?
So anywhere from zero to 100 zeros no assist 100 gives you 100 and matches what you put into it
Generally, I ride it at about 20 to 30 percent
Right, so it gives you just a little bit and as a gravel bike with 47 millimeter tires
You might want a wide. Yeah, you might want a little bit especially on some climbs, right?
But generally I ride it with just enough assist so that it overcomes the weight of the bike because the thing weighs 30 pounds
It's carbon frame, but it's 30 freaking pounds. So it's it's real heavy. Yeah
The bike shop that I go to in Louisville and I really really like
supporting that business
he has a
Cervelo Ravita, yeah that he basically
That's got the tq like tq motor out of germany have a market for like that's that's not primarily his business
Yeah, um, and he's selling it at cost and he's he's got it listed for five and I thought about buying it
only because
It would make my commute like if I wanted to commute on a bike it would make it attainable
Yeah, where I could I could ride steady at close to 30 miles an hour and get to work in 45 minutes
Which is reasonable versus me going out with my current bike. It would probably be an hour 20 or something like that because of the hills
but
At the moment, I don't know that spending five grand on a like a commuter toy
Is necessarily what is reasonable. Yeah, I think if you're going to commute on it
Every day like that was your main vehicle to commute on it might make some sense
Especially from the fact that when it's hot you're not going to be as sweaty, right? You can crank it up
I have a shower option at work. So it's it's not that part's not have you commuted by bicycle yet. No, okay
Go and do that on your regular bike specifically because
I would want to be going 28 miles an hour so that the speed differentials were
small. Yeah
in a couple of roads that I would be on
at
Regular pedal speed. It's it'll be a little bit dicey. Yeah, and if there's not a wide shoulder
No, like yeah, that that's when it gets pretty sketchy and in the south
People in the south aren't necessarily used to seeing bicycles on a regular basis on the side of the road. Yeah
Hippies and people that have had too many DUIs. That was sure and there's neither command any respect. Yeah
Um, no, so like that's sort of what I've been thinking about but I don't know
I don't know a lot about the mechanics of e-bikes. I don't know are the components
All very durable like yeah, so mine mine is all SRAM asx. Okay, but like the the motor
Yeah, I don't know anything about the motors that power they've been around long enough
That the motors now are pretty hashed out. Um, you have companies like Bosch
That you know develop e-bike motors
Mine is a company that works with specialized. I forget their name
Right now, but they've been doing that same style motor for probably 12 years
Okay, so which is an eternity in a in a bicycle. Yeah and cycling
So they keep making improvements to the motor putting more power in it
But the the overall design of the motor is fairly one application where I could see the benefit immediately and I
My bike mechanic was telling me about it
Actually is if you have a person in a relationship who's seriously into bikes and in big in fitness
If your partner is less so this fills in the fitness gap
In that regard I can see that being like right away. Yeah, if Ashley and I were riding together
She would need the assist to be able to have both of us ride at a good but you both have an enjoyable ride
You can still get your workout. She's not feeling like she's dragging you behind. Yeah
So in in that regard. Yeah, it's perfect. It'd be better if you and her were the same size like jess and I are
Yeah, to where we can share the same bike. That's fantastic. Yeah, Ashley and I are not the same size. I think she's uh
I think she's a 48 frame and I'm a 54. Yeah, so yeah, jess and I don't even have to move the car seat
When we get in the car. We're both driving the same position. It's really nice
um, but you and I were talking about
The need for the next bike. Yeah, it's always just like motorcycles and to some extent cars
It's always the number of bikes
That you need is n plus one where in is the current number of bikes you have correct and I have
I have my old scott. Yep hanging in my basement not because I'm
Using it because well, it just that's where it belongs. Yeah, and they're not worth anything and I've got a
dino
That might turn into your winter bike
When there's crap on the road and stuff
Do you have that thing? I kind of want to get some fenders and I want to go out
I want to do some more rides when the weather's not I know it's super nerdy
I think fenders on a drop bar bike look awesome. Agreed. They look really cool
Um, and then I have a dino
comp or a dino air one of them
Uh, that's also hanging in the basement that I really should take to a bike shop and just have them like refresh everything and have it
Be awesome. That's what youtube's for man. You learn how to do it yourself
Yeah, I know time time. Abe has the money to be able to go to the bike shop
I don't I have to figure it all out on my own. Yeah, so, uh, the
The bike has those like mag wheels. Yeah, which um, and the last time I primarily used it at the track
um, I don't know if it's got like the
In balance in the tire or like the tubes are
You know like bunched up or something
But the the ride is a little bit lumpy and I I really is it when it's been stored
Is it been hanging or is it just been on its tires at the moment with no air? Okay?
But historically it probably was just yeah, so they're probably just flat-spotted and really like the bike the tires are probably so old
You're gonna want to replace that stuff anyway
but I uh growing up on like, you know dinos in the 90s
I cannot
Believe how heavy they are. Yeah, they're super heavy like they're made 25 pounds
They're made to be thrown on the ground by 12 year olds. Yeah for their entire life. Yeah
Like just jump off the bike while it's moving and let it crash. That's that's what those bikes can do. Yeah
uh, conversely
You hang a carbon frame road bike by its top tube if you clamp it people are like, don't do that
Yeah, yeah, I think that the first time you sent me pictures of it hanging in your garage with your storage solution
I was like, dude, you probably don't want to do that. Yeah
Um, but I don't know. I love bikes. I hope slone. Um, we bought her
A guardian bike which we had seen on instagram
And is that the one that's like a strider and then you can add pedals later. Yeah. Yeah, you can do both
Okay, um, but a big difference between that and like a department store bike is that it has a standard free hub in it
It's not a coaster brake
So you have a handbrake that controls both the front and the rear
But it's it feels like a bike in a kid size. Yeah, and
They were not inexpensive. I think it was like 250 or 300 dollars
But it feels like a real bike. Yeah, and I'm trying to get slone to be confident on it. She wrote it at Hanemi
But like I wanted I wanted to be on a bike because
Like you and I were talking about the freedom that you experienced as a kid. Oh, yeah because you could ride a bike
That's the thing. Yeah
So just being able to go around especially if you live in a place where like
The neighborhoods the streets are relatively quiet, right? Like growing up like around where adam lives
Um, perfect for bicycles for kids, right? Like you can ride between all your family's houses and everything
Um, certain subdivisions, but if you live out on a main road or something
A little bit different. Yeah
Adam growing up. Did you spend your entire, uh, like pre teen years on a bike?
Yeah, the entire entirety. I'm back now. I was over there. No, I'm back here. Um
Bikes in lego. So it was the only thing I did. We never had video games
We did have like a sort of working Atari like a
Atari or whatever. I don't know the only you drop the cartridges in the top
Uh, so we played pac-man once in a while. So if it was raining
Emma is now 10 my Emma. Yeah, she's 10 11 11
Just all three of us probably had a
Typical 90s childhood existence in that we were all over the neighborhood doing anything and everything
question is
Does Emma have
The same life that you had mostly
Literally were like two blocks from where I had that life, but she's got the park in the backyard
And now she's got the treehouse. We have a pretty cool backyard that that I've built and really good friends with the neighbor
Um
And their kids
So the next door neighbor has a four-year-old and an eight-year-old
And they are on our deck all the time. They're in the treehouse with Emma all the time
She's a little older than them, but she's like she's really good with them
So daniella next door has kind of grown up with Emma as like her babysitter sort of not really but
And she's a feisty little girl. So
Probably gets it from Emma a little bit
But she did she roams the neighborhood a little but not a lot. She's not she's not on a bike much
Well, quite a bit different. I have to wonder that like
It's weird that generally generationally. I was almost like a feral child and yeah kids
Probably won't get that experience. I uh, how'd you get on this topic by the way?
We were talking about freedom that came from having a bike. Oh, yeah
Emma rides her bike, but not that much. She has another friend who's her age
That's down the end of the street like thousand feet away
And she'll go over there, but I don't know why
It's like so much more uncomfortable
That my like my parents didn't give a crap go wherever we wanted
Uh, when I was in sixth fifth fifth grade six grade like her whatever
Um, I don't feel that way like I don't I don't know why
All right, it's like our neighborhood hasn't really changed. I don't know that the world is more unsafe
I think we're maybe less tolerant. I think we're too informed of the
Of the unsafe things that happen in the world like when I was when it was just like wgn channel nine in chicago
Like back then it was like half feel-good pieces too
And now everything is doom and gloom and you got the internet telling you how many people died in this and were throwing bombs there
And like it's constant the whole world feels like
Like now you know about all the world's problems versus like you knew about that one part of chicago where the bad things happen
And well, I might also just like blame the modern subdivision as well
Like the sub in principle. It sounds like a great idea
But I grew up in like a city neighborhood not like I mean it was a small town but
I had probably close to a square mile of area where my dad was like just anywhere you want you can bike anywhere you want
Don't leave that area, but you're on your own and
The like modern subdivision is a much much smaller place. Yeah, and there's just not anything to do
Yeah, when when I grew up
My street, which is where my parents still live
it was like
Every afternoon it was just a bunch of older ladies sitting on the porches
And that's just what they did because there was nothing to do
So you just go sit on your porch and now there's like everybody's just like locked in their house watching netflix
So you don't get to know anybody
like
Hi Renee
Like I used to know all the old ladies on my street and like our best friends lived in where Jeremy lives now my brother
um, so two doors down and
My aunt lived across the street from him or from my best friends, you know, like everybody was right there
My grandma lived two blocks away and she's still there and she's like 95 definitely shouldn't be driving anymore, but
um, but now everybody just watches tv and like
YouTube yeah gross
But couch is comfortable
It's a weird thing because like I don't I don't know that Sloan will have the same flexibility either
but it feels a little bit unfair because that's like
That's how we grew how we grew up and we all ended up
Arguably well adjusted because of like we all have that sense of adventure, right?
So for like people our age to be like, yeah, I'll drive six hours to the grid life event
Like cool. What's it going to be like in the future?
Like if these kids don't grow up doing this stuff with their parents
It's going to feel so foreign even just to drive like two three hours
I have a bunch of friends that like for them to leave the chicago area in a car
It's yeah, they don't do it. Like it's it's incomprehensible to them. Yeah
So it's uh, I don't know what the future holds
but hopefully
Hopefully it's going to be fine. I hope
We're doing our part
Well, I at least on the grid life side. I said to austin maybe on the show that
It would be so much easier in my own life and yours too adam if we just did not do this
Oh, yeah, I we so much easier it
But but frustratingly it makes life pretty interesting
And like the idea of giving it up would be like, oh, well, I'm just gonna like it would feel like it would feel like
A reversion to more normal and I don't want it would feel like telling your family to fuck off too
You know what I mean? Like as much as I dread going to some of these events
I'm gonna be gone a long time like when you get here. You're like, oh
Back with the fam like yeah, it's kind of that way. We said on the show a minute ago that
Grid life is like a traveling family reunion that meets up 10 times a year. Yeah. Yeah
um
I've had like a it's weird. I keep having these like thoughts and
moments where
It's like I have one conversation with somebody and then like the next day
I have the same conversation with somebody else completely organically and I'd like I didn't bring it up
This happens like over and over and over
I had this kind of like almost a similar conversation of like yeah
I didn't go on the internet till I was 18 and like when I was a kid it was different like it's weird how like I don't know
I think we're all
Mentally connected a little bit somehow like the world
And I feel very in tune with a lot of people that were in the paddock with so it is kind of like a it is
It's very family reunion vibes. Yeah, my uh, my version of a midlife crisis currently is
Get fit take care of myself ride my bike
Oh, you're doing a great job. Thanks, man. I uh, I
Jimmy jimmy rock is a rider as well or at least was like a hyper competitive cyclist. Yeah
And I have about 10 more kilos of body weight that I want to lose. Yeah, and key. You know, you know, he's getting
If he says kilos kilos
Yeah, good life drivers better watch out. You're gonna have to start doing your weight in kilos on all your competition forms
um
Only 400 pounds, but when I said to him it's like, yeah other people have said you
You don't have that much weight to lose and he's like, yeah, you probably you probably got to be like cycling fit
You probably have 10 kilos. So
That's what i'm doing
I went out road last night and probably riding into nights. I have plateaued on my weight loss
My eating has been trashed since honey or since midwest festival. Yeah trash meaning like just average. So
I don't know
I should probably stop drinking and stop eating crap. Yeah, you could do that
Probably should do that. Yeah
But I think but I'm still doing my 150 squats every day. I'm still doing all my curls and remember remember that podcast
We were talking about. Yeah, uh, you exercise to be strong and you eat to be
You eat to control your body. Yes. Yeah, those two things are independent. It was uh,
It was just hard and I mean I didn't overeat on vacation. I just ate like regular stuff
I was skipping meals so I didn't gain weight. I haven't gained any weight in
A month, but maybe a couple pounds, but like I stopped losing weight. I was losing like
Five pounds a month. Yeah, that's and I love to lose like 20 more. So
for for me at the like
Not cycling as much not having the time
I still wake up and I spend an hour just walking on the treadmill every morning watching youtube
Yeah, and I feel so much better and if I don't do it, I'd feel really out of place
So just just being active. Yeah, right and you can if you're gonna sit and watch tv
Just walk on the treadmill and watch tv. Yeah, that's good for you. Yeah
Well, I think uh, I have to go back to work. We've got, uh
Impounds to execute and we've got tc coming up and all the things but austin
I love having you on the show. It's good talking to you guys
I hope we do it some more. Yeah, just let me know being able to ring you in will encourage me to be more assertive
with
Focusing time to record shows
I'm done with most of my life stress after this event like my big stressors
Got out of the building was worried about midwest was worried about this
Well, we got luna luna coming up and limerick. So you can select those I said most
I'm not as stressed about limerick
but uh, anyway, yeah, I'm uh
Not I'm not dreading life as much anymore when I'm dreading life. I don't really want to talk about it
Yeah, and so that's made me like not actually want to talk much
I want to thank everyone for sticking with the show for 10 years and what a stupid project
I mean, I know we're not releasing all that often, but we appreciate you everyone continuing to listen and
Sometimes listen to us talk about stuff. That's not race cars. So, uh,
Appreciate everyone. Thanks a lot and uh, rate and review us on spotify. Bye
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Celebrating 10 years of the Slip Angle Show, Austin and Abe reunite at Road America, blending their passions for cars, motorcycles, and cycling. They reminisce about past events, discuss the evolution of motorsport and track culture, and share personal stories about their adventures, including Austin's epic motorcycle trip to Alaska. The duo reflects on the importance of community in motorsport and the unique experiences that come from attending events together. They also touch on the changing dynamics of childhood freedom and the impact of modern life on kids' outdoor activities.
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Episode 579 - Austin joins Adam and Abe at Road America for #GRIDLIFE Summer Apex. We talk about cars, planes, bikes and getting old.
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