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I'm Mike.
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I'm Mike.
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And got a good show for you.
Just going to do a big thank you to all of our kimchi crew.
I guess that's the name now.
I found a new spot today.
I haven't shown you yet.
But it literally just says, KDBQ.
No other name.
No BS.
Just like, that's it.
We thank you guys so, so much.
Aaron has shirts.
He showed me the design.
Do we have a ballpark time frame for this?
Yeah.
After Farron.
That's what I was going to do.
I was going to wait till we're done doing all of our.
So basically, in a month, when we get back, those shirts are going to go out to all
those members that are part of the exclusive crew.
The biggest thing is we don't know those labels.
Those take a bit.
OK.
I just want to give them an idea so they know what's coming.
So you guys have a shirt coming.
We already have your sizes, have your addresses.
So there'll be a shirt coming to you with a new design.
Probably set of chopsticks, too.
I don't have any such ones.
Yeah.
And we didn't go with black or any wacky color this time.
We went with a normal good color that you can wear and not look like a clown, I guess.
Yeah.
Not a black T-shirt like every car guy has.
Yeah.
I mean, I can appreciate it.
I got like 70 black T-shirts.
But yeah.
No, I mean it's.
Like every year almost.
It's been the last couple at least.
Anyways, it's all good.
I mean, you know, having another black shirt is cool.
But yeah, I saw the designs.
I don't want to spoil it, but about a month or so those should be coming out to all
of those members that are part of that crew.
We appreciate your patience.
Aaron's been working on a killer design.
I'm excited.
It's going to be kind of cool.
You know, it's I don't want to say probably the best way I can describe it is and
we're not trying to copy anybody, but there's a lot of people doing this kind of
style.
It's kind of like if you're familiar with period correct, like they're kind of
design language and the type of shirts that they're using.
Like it's kind of like that.
So just a little bit of a teaser just so you can wrap your mind around it.
So it's kind of like period correct gear.
But it's the quality.
Yeah.
Period correct for PCAR talk, right?
Exactly.
For the driver.
All right.
So obviously a lot of talk about here.
New Turbo West gets announced.
We knew it was going to be hybrid.
We're not shocked about that.
But there are some shocking things that we didn't know that weren't discussed.
And I feel like that aren't really getting a lot of attention.
So we'll unpack some of that.
The hard numbers, you know, 701 horsepower, 900 foot, 590 foot pounds of
torque, hybrid assist, the two electric turbos, not just one like in the
GTS.
I think the interesting thing about this more than anything is, you know,
obviously it's the most powerful 911 that they've made horsepower wise
manufacturer.
Yeah, every time it comes out, it is right until the GT2 RS comes out.
And then it's the GT2 RS, which we know that there probably
will be a reveal for that sometime in the near future.
And that number has to eclipse this because then that's the king of the
mountain, four Porsche in a sense.
So it can't have a horsepower number less than this.
So we know that that will probably be soon the king.
But I think that the thing that's, there's a lot of things talked about
like they're claiming launch pace and basically almost quarter mile speeds
as Bugatti Chiron is what they're claiming, which is big claims.
It's not like Porsche to claim something like that.
And I don't really think that they're claiming it.
I think it's people like surrounding Porsche, meaning like Top Gear
Internet is claiming that stuff.
Yeah, so don't quote me that Porsche saying that, but people really
close to Porsche that are basically all the exclusive people they let
touch this car and tell you all the stuff and make videos about it.
So that's supposed to be a 10.3 in the quarter, which is insane to
think about because it's a pretty heavy car.
But again, expectation is not that 060 matters anymore, but
they're thinking 2.3 ish, which is ridiculous.
It's pretty fast.
Yeah.
I saw some configurators.
I'm sure it goes up from here, but I saw some people just post
some stuff.
I didn't go on to do it and just kind of like price.
I saw, you know, I made a mental image of when I saw a couple of the
ones that I saw on the Internet.
People posted on Insta or their stories.
I saw like 270,000 ish.
I was seeing 348 or something.
Wow.
So that must have been like a base model like that I saw.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Without optioned up.
I mean, I know the options get heavy fast, but I mean, wow, man.
That is a heavy, heavy price.
Because when that 2.3 ish comes out and then starts demanding.
Yeah.
700,000 or whatever.
Yeah.
Something I was going to mention that I saw because I watched the
Nurburgring Lab because everybody loves to watch those things.
When they're doing it, I mean, full race seat, it looked like
there was no headliner.
Rear seat is what it looked like to me from like a carbon fiber
clothes.
How does that count for a lap?
Like production lap.
Like those lines are a little hazy.
Yeah.
I think they probably get a pass on some of those things.
I mean, again, production lap, right?
So I was just hoping there's going to be.
And then it runs on like cup R's too.
Yeah.
Right.
So maybe there's a rear seat delete for the turbo s or something.
Yeah.
Maybe that's how they get away with it.
Right.
Maybe they say that you can option the car that way in
some obscure place in the world that you could do it.
Like it's in their catalog and the fact that maybe.
But even a full cage, like full world cage, like your 93.
Well, it's going to have to have one man at that space.
Like there's no way those guys are going to be okay to take
that car to the limit, especially.
Which is crazy.
So it's like some things they add weight.
Maybe they allow it for that reason.
So full cage probably adds a certain amount of weight.
All right.
We'll let you take seats out.
Let you do this.
Yeah.
There's probably saying like there's no way that they could
actually make the car safe without taking that crap out.
Yeah.
So that's cool.
Talking LL.
And you know, well, you're probably spot on.
You know what it probably is, is all the crap they take out.
Like putting the cage in.
They probably, Porsche is so, they probably weigh them both.
Videoed them weighing both, you know, and showing like,
hey, this is actually just, yeah, it's,
we're taking the seats out so he can have safety.
Like that's all we're basically doing.
Like, okay, that, I guess, you know.
But as we all know, that makes the chassis more rigid too.
So that helps in other areas that aren't seen by the naked eye.
Right.
So there could be a little tomfoolery with that stuff.
And like, if that's, you know, since they are so close to that,
I'm sure that's not, they're not the only manufacturers that
pull that trick.
I'm sure all of the German ones that are chasing a lap time
try to do that.
I don't know if so many people, I mean, minus the domestics,
it just went over there recently.
They're kind of late to the game because I feel like all of the
other European automakers have been doing that for a,
for a while at least.
It lasted for the last five, 10 years.
And they're going across the pond for them to do that.
You know, they don't have a manufacturing plant there.
It's more of a pain in the butt.
But, you know, we know that they're fast.
Like, let's just put it that way.
It's like, dude, they're fast.
We get it.
It's like, first car to break five minutes.
Like, dude, no one's doing that.
Like, thank you.
But no one's doing that.
What road would that be?
Yeah.
The only thing I was thinking, if back to your Bugatti
conversation, if Porsche did say that, the only reason
they would be doing that is to anchor that pricing.
Oh, Bugatti's like $3 million right now.
That's exactly why they want to do it.
I mean, this is $200 grand.
So they're trying to do it like a...
But then there's another level of like,
for our Bugatti, they're like, we don't even bother
going to the ring.
That's not what our car is made to do.
We need like 10 miles of straight road.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, dude, this car goes and picks up people
that fly in on G7 airplanes, like private planes.
So they need a runway for this car.
We don't need some twisty track, dude.
Get out of here.
Why do we do this?
But I think the most interesting thing I pulled out
of all of this stuff and all of these launches
and all of these people stroking each other off
talking about like, you know, this and that and all,
no one's talking about that the last Turbo S,
the exiting Turbo S is the 3.8 liter
and this was a 3.6 liter.
That's not even mentioned once.
No one's talking about that.
I'm not saying that's a negative.
That's actually a positive.
Like they lowered the displacement, pumped up horsepower.
Now I know there's a hybrid assist system with it.
But again, going back to admissions
and all this other stuff that we talked about before,
that has to play a factor.
So they lowered displacement.
They probably pumped boost up.
Those electric turbos definitely help.
The hybrid systems definitely help.
But even Porsche themselves, for some reason,
is not highlighting that they went down in displacement.
I don't know if they feel like that's a negative.
That's not a negative.
Well, it's a smaller number.
I guess they may not want to talk about it.
Yeah, I don't know.
But yeah, you're right on that.
Yeah, because they're all like, oh, well, it's, you know,
it's only making so much more horsepower
than the other car, the exiting model, right?
Okay, yeah, it's not making,
but it's making it more on a smaller engine.
And I don't know what this has,
there been mention of what millimeter size the turbos are.
I know they looked bigger.
I'm sure if we do the research that's there,
I didn't do the...
And the Apple Vision Pro is like,
this is how big the turbos are.
Well, it looks like the size of his head.
Like when you're watching the thing,
I'm like, well, I mean,
are they 150 millimeters or are they giant?
They're probably not.
I mean, I would say at most medium, small to small.
Bigger, I mean, bigger than,
and then I think the way it starts.
Because they're not trying to get crazy.
I mean, like what, like max boost,
it's pushing like what?
1.1 bar, maybe 1 bar?
I think they've always been around that.
Yeah, around that?
Yeah.
So I just thought that was a big,
for me, a big takeaway.
And again, not from a negative.
If I was them, I would highlight that.
Do you think next year it's gonna be 3.3 later?
Like kind of just go back to heritage?
Yeah, just keep taking it back further and further.
Well, I mean, honestly, as we all know,
and from the internet has taught us,
ever since they started using that three liter motor,
and I think starting in 17 with the base model query,
like turbocharging everything, even base model and up.
As we found out through the model line,
what ends up happening is, yes, the displacement goes up,
but the internals get stronger.
So we know that this car is gonna have forged everything,
titanium, everything.
So they could easily turn boost up
and put displacement down and still use those internals
and history shown that it can hold it.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they started trending that way,
honestly.
Again, I don't understand the negativity
behind, or maybe it's just not negative.
Maybe they just don't want to highlight it.
Yeah, I can see that.
But who knows?
I just thought that for me, that was a big takeaway,
and I thought that was something it was important enough
to mention, I guess, when you release a car,
because you're highlighting your engineering,
that should be part of your engineering.
You've lowered displacement too,
and you've able to help admissions.
Yeah, like you would think they would want to push that.
I don't know if it was just an oversight
and something that I saw,
and nobody's really bringing it up, but...
I just had an epiphany on why they had the deleted seats.
It's because it'll be a turbo-ass GT.
Oh yeah, you know that's coming, right?
Salted, stupid, like that.
It'll be the lightweight pack.
It's actually probably the real thing.
The Mag...
I don't know, they've already got to be putting a magnesium roof in them, right?
I mean, that's an option.
I think they try to come with Pano.
Full cage would be an option too,
if it was a Clubsmore, because I know the older 997s and stuff,
when they did a Clubsmore package, it was full cage.
Yeah, so then you could just option up the turbo-ass.
So instead of buying the GT2 RS for $750,000,
that's probably coming, you could buy this,
option it up to $500,000, and then you'll feel like you're getting a bargain.
Yeah, that seems like you're saving money to me.
In Mad Math, that works, right?
Because you're like, well, I'm saving actually $250,000 in it,
and it's not as track-focused, it's actually for the roads,
like, man, you have been drinking the Porsche Cooley brother,
and you're like, and I can go out to dinner with my wife,
and if I want to go to the track with the turbo-ass,
it's going to be almost as fast as the GT2 RS,
but it costs $250,000 less, bro.
I'm like stealing from Porsche right now.
Well, then you can probably actually get one.
That would be the other thing.
Well, remember, they're actually the way they released them the last time
with the 992.1s, people were on a waitlist form,
and then people were PTSD-ing them,
and we hadn't seen that rollover into the turbo-ass realm ever,
but that was deliberate by Porsche.
We talked about that before on a prior podcast
where they were kind of like,
dude, let's stop releasing base models
and make them buy the most expensive thing.
They learned from releasing what was the Taycan turbo-ass
when that Taycan came out,
and they're like, dude, people bought them,
even though they were the most expensive product we had,
and not only did they buy them, they were PTSD-ing them,
and they were spec-ing them all out,
so it's like, I'm sure we're going to see that again now.
It's like, yeah, you could get one.
Oh, you just want to get a normal one.
Yeah, guys that have like, PTS in front of you,
so like, we're going to let them get their orders in first.
Yeah, even Christmas, like, so they're doing the turbo-ass first.
That's like, yep, they know how to make money, and that's...
Yeah, that's how it works now, man.
That is the bread and butter, right?
Frontload the bank account.
You're like, hey, let's get them out there.
Outside of that, there are some minor aesthetic changes, right?
Like on the rear fascia, now it's got like the gill thing
that the open, active air gills where it closes and opens.
I thought, you probably saw the same one,
and a lot of people probably saw this too.
I thought it was interesting, if you put the car in wet mode,
it keeps them closed so it'll keep the front brakes drier
than they would be, I guess, because all that air inlet's
coming through that way, and it would wet the brakes
if during wet.
Interesting little fact, factoid, I guess,
not that it's important.
Still active aero front lip on it.
They have some more active under there now too.
I thought it was interesting though,
they showed one of the rear bumper,
like it's wider, obviously, than the previous model.
The rear of it actually looks really good,
really more like menacing, like it looks tougher,
the haunches look a little bit more pronounced,
but there's almost even another inlet
that it looks like it should be
for like relief air in the rear.
But from what I read and everything else,
that area is actually closed,
it's just kind of a pocket it goes in,
and there's ABS plastic fender well there,
so I don't know if that's a miss
or if there's a reason for that.
Two arrows.
Probably an option though on this car,
more aero.
Do you see that they changed the muffler exits
or exhaust pipe exits?
They were kind of like a rectangular kind of shape,
I guess is the best way to describe them,
maybe a square, but it's different.
Subtle changes, like always,
like with Porsche, a little bit more aggressive
front bumper.
Cool car.
$300,000 plus cool.
I don't know, man.
I mean, it's not that people won't buy them.
Of course people are going to buy them,
but it's just kind of like stratospheric numbers, right?
They've always been expensive though.
Yeah, that's true.
They may, but I think like we talked before.
They used to just sell a lot less of them,
so I think there's probably less shock going around.
That's true.
I mean, the more that they want to be a luxury.
I mean, if you look at it from the 996, 997
era of Turbo Ss, there wasn't a lot of them around.
A lot of people didn't see the option
and probably because they were expensive then too,
they're like, dude, I just get a turbo,
it's not that big of a deal.
I feel like the 991 had more turbo Ss though
that I've seen.
I see them a lot more.
Yeah.
I think that was the first time that they pumped
a ton of them out.
I mean, they jammed a ton of them out.
There's a lot of them out there.
But they figured out how to market that car
because it seemed like they weren't doing a good job
of it there for a while and they were just like,
hey, we're just going to try to mass produce this thing.
Oh yeah, you are right.
They did almost like an infinity sign with the exhaust.
Yeah, it's interesting.
So there's that.
That base price of 270.
So that's what I saw.
I saw base, right?
Yeah, the base price is 270.
Oh my god, dude.
That's insane.
These numbers, they're not real.
It's like the stock market.
They're just numbers.
BTS price.
The stuff's not real.
Do you know what the BTS paying cost is?
No.
But you funny.
Do they entertain you?
35,000.
You're beginning to deal.
Oh no.
It's 40,000.
Jeez.
So just that alone, we're at 312.
Just if I wanted a BTS color.
The car is going to get paying either way, right?
So you're just paying for the special color.
Yeah.
Man, those BTS people, the people working
in that paint department are probably like,
I cannot, they probably can't believe it.
They're like, they're going to pay us to paint
this just a different shade.
That's it?
Of this?
Okay.
The Heritage Pasha Edition for the,
for the interior.
I'm sure.
What?
It's 10 grand.
Probably whatever you want at this point.
We're at, we're at quickly at like 321.
Yeah.
So that 348 number is definitely doable.
I don't think very hard.
So.
It's just insane to think about that though
because there'll be another one.
And it depends on.
I think the most interesting thing is after this.2 run.
Yeah.
What's going to, what's, it's not going to be 993.
994.
994.
Is that what it's going to be?
Yeah.
994.
And then 995.
And then no 996.
No 997.
So it'll be 998.
In the wacky Porsche world, right?
Yeah.
And then the 999.
That'll be 9999.
That'll be pretty funny.
Then trip back to triple zero.
Don't be alive that long anyways.
It'll be fine.
That's a lot of model years from now.
Yeah.
So another expensive Porsche model that's coming out.
You know, I'm happy for the people that are on that,
on that wheel of death that is out there buying this thing
and you know, doing what they got to do to keep them alive.
And because at the end of the day,
if people don't buy these things and they're in trouble,
but the great thing is people are going to buy them.
How many people?
Who knows?
Like we'll see because I'm sure even the wealthy people
are at this point where they're kind of like,
I think they were had sticker shock when the 992 initially came out.
Yeah.
And because that was a hefty price increase over the 991.
And then you started optioning that car up.
I mean, I think people were getting 992s optioned up at 300.
So now it's like you almost, that's almost base price now.
To enter the game, you're now at 300.
That's so crazy for that, for that number.
But then it just is.
And then it's a dangle the carrot move probably, right?
It's like, hey, you got to buy this because there's some hot stuff coming.
I can't tell you what's coming, but there's some hotness coming.
So, you know, we'll, we'll work with you and then you trade it into us.
And then we play the game.
Hypothetically, if there was something similar to this,
but it may be more track focused, would you be interested?
I'm not saying there is.
But it may be have an RS in the name.
It may have a turbo.
It may not have a turbo.
I don't know.
But you know that's coming.
You don't want to be on the outside.
So you drive the turbo s in the meantime, then you come back in,
you eat the $100,000.80 on it because that's how this works.
This is before any markups of market rates.
That happens either.
Like we're talking about just regular MSRP is that you know,
I wonder, it'd be, you know, Connor,
is Mike still supposed to come on the show at some point?
Like, I think he'd be great.
Yeah.
Like, so I'll save it for him.
Like I'll ask him that stuff and, you know, he'll be straight with us.
It'd be, obviously we all know ADM existed before.
It'd be interesting to see if ADM is going to continue to exist with the
tariff roll in, like, because obviously the customer is going to feel that.
Anyways, we talked about that before, but I wonder if.
Well, they're trying to, I think they're trying to adjust with that right now
because you saw that rate, that rates bumped up twice with the percentage.
Because they rolled it into the price.
That's how they decided to do it, which I don't know.
I don't know if there's a right or wrong way.
It's a, it's a, it's a sucky situation to be in for everybody,
for the manufacturer, for the consumer, everybody.
It just sucks.
But again, as we all know, ADM is controlled by the dealership.
You wonder if the deal, I'm sure they have before and a lot of dealerships
probably don't listen.
They're like, look, we control our inventory.
This is the beauty of like, how this works.
You don't get to tell us how to do this part.
But I wonder if there's like some strong language and urgency to be like,
hey, in recent development with the tariffs, please go easy on the customers
because if you don't and we go bankrupt, you also don't have a job.
So let's work together here and like, let's call a truce and don't ADM these guys
on top of the tariffs so much.
And, you know, and there might, and there may be dealerships that I don't know
if that's happening.
That's all hypothetical.
I'm just, Mike would be the great person to talk to about that.
And I think he's coming on in a few weeks, right?
Yeah.
They're a portion of us the whole thing.
Yeah.
Is that still happening?
Okay.
You know, he's a good point because I haven't really seen anything about them
posting it.
We'll circle back to it.
Follow up with them this week and then we'll go from there.
All right.
Change the topics.
On Friday, a 2004 Cayenne base model in jet green metallic manual
transmission sold on cars and bids for $125,500.
That's before the pay up that they're going to get commission wise.
So like all in that's basically like 130 and some change.
Just takes two betters.
Well, that's what I was going to say is insane pricing.
Absolutely.
But it takes two people just really, really want to have it.
I'm shocked by it.
I know everybody else is shocked by it.
There's a lot of haters out there.
Obviously keyboard warriors are like, oh, this is bullshit.
They probably won't even pay, you know, the, it's probably money laundering.
All this, you know, all the negativity that goes along with all that shit.
And, you know, maybe there's some truth to that.
But the difference is everybody can throw in their two cents about what
that is or what it might be or, but none of us actually know.
So we didn't see, we saw what it did go up to.
So we'll see.
I thought it was a diesel.
Was it just a base?
No.
No, it wasn't a diesel.
I don't think they made any diesels in manual.
Well, that's why I was like, no, that's kind of like, yeah, I see that.
This is purely on color.
I mean, I had 65,000 miles on it.
Like somebody really, really wanted the jet green on it.
I mean, to put it in perspective, I think the things sold on bring a
trailer like a year before for like 40 something maybe.
I don't even know.
Oh man, what a payday.
Right.
I'm sure that guy was kind of like.
Dude, this thing's going triple for what I paid for it.
Awesome.
That'd be like another one.
I mean, I think from like bring a trailer to like now, I think the only
thing he did was like put the RS spider wheels that we have on ours on it.
Like it didn't have those on it, but that's okay.
That partner conversation seat told you about it.
Yeah.
I know what I'm doing.
That's what that was like.
I know what I'm doing.
Like look at that tripled.
So I mean, there's no way to really track this.
I mean, I guess there really is if you go through and scour the
internet and go for data, I mean, without, without going through all that,
I could pretty much safely say this is probably a world record on a used
Cayenne.
That's probably a safe bet.
Yeah.
On a nine, five, eight at least for sure.
So look for PDS Cayenne.
I guess.
Well, what I do appreciate is all the commenters that were like
positive on the backside, like a little bit of banter and funniness
where they're like, all right, I'm swapping every Cayenne I
find now or a manual swapping or I'm on the, on the hunt for every,
you know, like everybody's like, I'm paying my Cayenne jet green
metallic.
You know, that's funny stuff.
Not the like, oh, there's money laundering involved.
It's like, dude, maybe, maybe not.
Who knows?
You know, maybe Paolo Escobar son bought this thing.
Who knows?
Maybe the king of Dubai bought this thing.
Who knows?
That's the beauty of the secrecy of the internet.
No one gives a shit.
It doesn't matter.
Like the, what does matter is what it showed, you know,
now whether it pays through, who cares?
That's not our business.
If it does, it does.
I think, I think JP had a manual Cayenne as well.
Yeah.
I don't think it's all for 125.
I mean, I just find it's interesting.
You know, you, you, we see all this Porsche stuff.
We see all these crazy numbers on all these other cars.
Like I tried to like, since I had so much time to think
about it over the weekend, I didn't like waste so much time,
but it was, I was curious in my mind.
And the conclusion I probably came to, and this is what I believe,
is that somebody, and there's a lot of them,
and I'm sure people do or may not know, there are so many secret Porsche
collectors that you don't even know that probably operate.
Somebody, if somebody that they have in secrecy,
and maybe somebody wanted this as part of their,
like they thought this would complete whatever they had going on.
That could be a Jaguarine guy.
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Or just green, right?
Like they have all shades of green.
Maybe they have like a four-screen metallic 930,
and they've got a, you know, an olive green GT3,
and maybe they're just a green car person, and they're wealthy.
And there are a lot of 1%ers out there that have,
this is like buying a t-shirt for them.
And this could have been a battle of two 1%ers, basically.
The nickel 2%.
Yeah, right?
I was just shocked at how long it went on for.
It was entertaining, at the very least,
it was entertaining to see it happen,
and to watch it unfold.
And outside of the color, I mean, I don't want to sound rude,
but like, pretty, man, car, right?
Like to go for such like a high number.
I mean, think about it this way.
Pretty sweet tour.
Could have bought a GT3 for that.
Not like a special one, but you could have bought a GT3.
But the priority I had went in, Jack Green.
I know, but I'm just, work price comparison.
You know, it's like, and that's what a lot of people are doing.
Everybody's like, oh, well, they could have bought this.
They could have bought that.
Oh, man, they could have bought this.
Like, well, they weren't shopping for that.
You're projecting what you would have bought.
Yeah.
Like, not what they're looking for.
They're like, it's almost saying like, dude,
you could have got like the best steak in the world
for that price.
It's like, dude, I don't need beef.
So that, that doesn't make sense.
So I paid, you know, $3,000 for Albuquerque.
So.
I'm a one-on-one, right?
Yeah.
Jack, what are you going to tell?
It's just, I don't know, man.
Like, when you think you got things figured out,
something like this happens.
I bet you there's got to be like you said,
there's got to be something deeper to that story.
Somebody might have owned it that we don't know who owned it.
That could be true too.
Chasing it.
That could be true too.
It would be nice if there was somebody bought this
that didn't want to hide.
Yeah.
And if there was a cool story like that,
that that surfaced in the coming months
that we got to see that, or there was an article
that we got to see.
It's like, oh, this was specced for Seinfeld.
And that was Seinfeld who bought it
because he wanted it back, like type of deal.
I'm sure.
I think the other person knew what was Seinfeld
and wasn't going to let Seinfeld have it.
You know, something weird like that.
I don't know.
But we'll probably never know.
It'll probably disappear and it'll become somebody's
daily driver and live on some, we'll never see it.
But not that it's so special that we need to see it.
But I just thought it was interesting.
And I think everybody else did too
that was not in the know.
They're like, I didn't even know those things came at V6s.
It's like, you know, just the weird banter.
It was just interesting to see.
I remember, I think I showed you one
when I was shopping for Cayennes.
I was shopping a Jet Green metallic Cayennes.
Basically same year, same spec,
but obviously a V8 and not manual.
And I almost bought that car
just because of the color too.
I mean, for Cayennes, if you don't have one
or you're never shopping them,
they don't really come in a lot of colors.
Like you got like silver, black, white.
That's about it.
Gray.
Yep.
It's monochromatic.
Yeah, you get every once in a while,
you get something like mine.
It's kind of like a chiffon white, almost like it.
But it's nothing like momentous.
Like it's not like, oh, hey, that guy's got an amethyst.
Like every once in a while,
you'll see something really weird.
But it's usually on like a Turbo S,
not usually on a turbo.
I think when I was, I did a deep dive
before I bought mine.
I found one in California.
I think it was a GTS and it was in like amethyst.
And I almost bought that car,
but I had like two car fax accidents already on it.
And I was like, man, I'm not going to go to California
to go get this GTS that might be all janky anyways.
There's an older GTS around here,
like guards red, which is a lot of red.
Yeah, that is a lot of red.
That's a lot of real estate to be painting.
But yeah, I think they always look great in green.
So I think it goes back to that too.
You don't see a lot of them.
Somebody, I don't know if it was Lieberman
or somebody mentioned it.
Everybody's getting BTS, but I mean,
he's like, I mean, blue and greens.
Different variations of green, right?
Different variations of blue.
He's not wrong.
No, he's not.
It's, it's comical.
I mean, I mean, even Ferreston and Zuckerman,
the RS, they are splitting.
It's like a leaf green or something like that.
I don't know the exact color,
but that's what it looks like.
It's a new one is sage or no, not sage.
Some green.
I think leaf greens, a old long hood color.
I think many ways.
So Porsche Pansky won in Texas and the rain.
So for what I read,
and then get a chance to watch the race.
I watched the 25 minutes of it.
But I think the car was heavily BOP'd.
And if it didn't rain,
I don't think Porsche would have won.
So I think because of the rain,
it balanced the entire field
and made anyone's advantage pretty much dissipate.
The fact that they were able to win at the end is
they had any lead was amazing
because what happened up to that point was the rain.
And then it started to dry out the last like 18 minutes
of the track.
So first form was leading for a long time
until they didn't have time to change the tires back
to his slicks.
And everybody that made the camel to go to slicks
started putting seven seconds on everybody.
And that's luckily the six car had enough leeway to keep moving.
I mean, it was...
Well, it probably helped all that weight that they added.
The car made it stick on the track.
He was having a manhandling like around.
But yeah.
I was worried.
Yeah.
I was like,
let's just keep on the track just any...
Because there was traffic and things like that.
And it was getting pretty dicey at moments.
Next one up, Petit Le Mans, right?
That's around the corner.
What do you think about them calling a long star Le Mans?
I don't know why they would do that.
I know it's WC, so that's different.
But like...
I don't know.
And you have Le Mans, like why would you even...
Yeah.
I think it's kind of weird.
I think it's kind of weird they even called Atlanta
Petit Le Mans, but whatever.
I haven't looked at that.
There's some type of history behind it.
Well, they've been calling it that forever.
That's part of it.
Yeah, that's true.
But yeah.
So they're staying out front.
They've been out front all year.
I still think even if they win the championship,
what they're on track to do, which they won last year,
still the elusive 24-hour Le Mans escaped them.
So back to the drawing board, essentially,
it's almost kind of like that's their Super Bowl.
Even though they won an overall championship,
it's kind of like, I didn't get the MVP though.
It's like, yeah, but you won a Super Bowl,
and you're like, yeah, I didn't win the MVP though.
Do you think if they're allowed to do it,
because I don't know what they are,
if they could just do Le Mans and do that,
and just run around?
I mean, technically they could.
They could do whatever they want.
They don't have to race the entire WEC season.
There's a lot of...
But Ferrari doesn't do that.
Ferrari doesn't race all season.
I think you have to, no matter which Le Mans series you're in,
I think you have to place or do something within that series
to have the invite to Le Mans.
I don't think you can just go.
I think it also has like,
if Ferrari is in one of those situations where,
since they won last year,
I think they get to go again next year.
They could literally not race any race again
and just show up and race that if they want.
That's an idea.
I think Porsche has accumulated enough points
that if they didn't want to do anything,
they didn't have to,
but I don't think having a race program,
it sounds counterintuitive,
but it actually probably would be a waste of money for them
to not go racing as opposed...
I know it costs them money to race,
but to sit around all year just to race them all,
it seemed like it would be an expensive race.
Well, they wouldn't have any testing,
they wouldn't have any data,
but it would be if you had enough race points
just to go to a race,
go to a petite and not race,
just set up my own stuff, boys.
I just don't think that they're that type of crew.
If we're going to compete,
we might as well win the championship every year.
What's the point of racing one race
and not just to get that win
and just be done for the year,
because then you almost get a blemish
I feel like on the record, too.
It's like, yeah, you race Le Mans, you won Le Mans.
Not that that's not trying to undercut anybody,
but at the same time it's like,
then you didn't race the rest.
You race three more races the rest of the season.
Did you really participate?
But where were you?
Yeah.
I don't think it's...
We were busy.
We didn't want to run whatever.
So, stuff coming up.
Luftecult, Targ Carolina,
Farron, Overcrest Rally.
There's a lot of rallies showing up.
Was it Rensport Dragon Rally that's coming too?
Yeah.
Seeker ones happening.
Yeah.
Smokies.
Basically everything you can think of that happens.
Yeah, if you have a Porsche,
they're a good chance you might be able to find a rally.
Yeah, there's a lot of rallies.
My point of bringing that up,
not because I'm trying to shout out other rallies,
because we are not directly competing with them,
but we are all competing with each other
whether we want to say we are or not.
Yeah, not necessarily for dollars,
but like Aaron just said,
like for people's time,
because you have to pick something to go do essentially.
Or you could just do nothing.
Yeah, and be a bum, right?
And just go to Luftecult.
No, I'm just kidding.
If you're in the area anyways, right?
You should drive one of the rallies at least.
There's plenty of them.
Probably go to ours.
Ours is pretty awesome.
But I'm bringing it up for everybody
to get your mind right with your cars.
There's still a lot of people
that haven't got their cars ready.
Speaking of which, my cars are in the shed
getting ready right now.
I think the 993 comes out tomorrow morning.
So that'll be ready for Targa and Luftecult
and then GT3.
Yeah, you've done nothing.
That thing is set up so race car.
Yeah, it's rough.
That setup will change after this rally.
I found out, you know, since I haven't been under the car
other than one time really when Miami.
But now I've had Cory under it
and he's like, yeah, he's like probably time
to start doing a little bit of suspension work,
especially the way you want it.
Not that it's bad.
It's just so race car.
It's like perfect tarmac roads,
which we do not have.
So it's going to be literally riding
like the cardboard box down the road.
So car will be fine.
It will just, I will probably have a bruised tailbone.
I would just strap in tough, right?
Like, and then I'll just get whiplash on my neck.
You should have like one of those C molds
and just you're doing that in the morning
right before you ride.
Don't worry.
Don't worry, boys.
Just pop that in.
I'm cruising down the interstate in a Hans device.
I'm like, what's going on, dude?
You're like, I have to have this for this car.
I don't know.
I want to move.
This car is so nasty, dude.
But yeah, we're going to,
I'm going to put some PSS 10s on it this winter.
So we'll do that.
But then the GT3 is going in tomorrow morning.
You're listening to this.
It'll already be there.
Getting the Olin's put on and getting suspension
and camber dialed in, you know,
just basic stuff, oil change.
They need some new door speakers.
So I bought some Crutchfield door speakers.
Like they're just old.
Like they, you know,
they all do that.
They all deteriorate.
Yeah, I'm just.
We're hearing them.
We're hearing them.
Crackling.
And just like sound like you blew your 1992
Chevy Blazer speakers out.
That came from, yeah,
that's what they sounded like on my business.
Like anything new you'll be amazed.
Oh, I know.
I'm so excited.
I was looking at the wattage and everything.
I was like for them.
I'm just going to replace the door speakers.
I'm not going heavy on anything.
Crutchfields made specifically for that car.
So just a little crap.
I'm excited to get that in up there with the
Olin's on it to really see how that feels.
So that exciting, you know,
like essentially I'm going to have a no seat time in the 993.
So that's going to be basically a learning.
Yeah.
Learning curve on that.
Then I'll have new suspension on the GT three,
which I'll no,
no seat time with that suspension on it.
So like basically turning the clock all the way back to zero
hours on both of these cars for me.
So we're talking about like driving groups of art.
And Kristen was like naming people.
Like, well, I was like, wait, man,
it's like that person's like practically new car.
No.
They're not going to want to be in that group.
Okay.
James is leading that group.
It's like, no.
James is going to die.
I was like, I was trying to like remember who had been in
what group.
And I was like, all right.
Yeah.
I think the spring rate on the 993 is 700 in the front
and 1100 in the rear from what I see on the text message.
Yikes.
Which is pretty.
That's like a dump truck.
Stiffness.
I wonder, I mean, it's pretty.
I don't know.
I feel like I've heard,
I feel like I've heard those numbers before,
but yeah, that has to be in Japan.
In Japan.
On a time attack circuit that where it's like perfect.
Where if you could,
you'd feel a pebble if it was out there basically.
It wasn't these crap roads we have here, dude.
Like no way.
All right.
Joe Rogan.
Have you heard of this,
this conglomerate up in the northeast called the RSR project?
They built some like long hood cars.
No, they didn't ask me if I heard of Joe Rogan.
I was like, well, yeah, maybe.
Yeah.
Who's Joe Rogan?
The fear factor guy.
But they built some pretty cool cars.
I think we've seen their cars before actually at works
before.
And they basically specifically build,
they've been in the business for nine years.
They build rest of mods,
just long hood rest of mods.
RSR is like,
you know, big fender,
chunky tire,
you know,
RSR finished fuchs,
wide fuchs,
you know,
like basically like 16 inch fuchs by like 13,
like the way they're supposed to be done.
And then basically do like a badass,
like motor,
motor build on it.
They could do like three, four, three, five short strokes.
Yeah.
With like GT three intake on it and stuff like that
and all these like crazy stuff.
So I saw photos of Joe Rogan's car.
I guess it was getting delivered.
It's like a liquid silver color.
Like it looks sick.
It looks like a full adult race car.
I mean,
obviously minus delivery,
but that's what they're supposed to look like.
So they start with like a G body car.
And I would think in this is no shot at any of the
outstanding,
there's so many of them nowadays that are building them.
Right.
Like singer,
all these other ones.
Yeah.
Who knows.
Right.
But I would probably do it the way they do it
or have them build me one.
Like I like the way what they're doing.
They're doing like old school,
like long hood stuff and keeping it like ducktail,
big RSR fenders on it,
like vintage gentlemen race car type deals,
which is super cool.
And it's,
they sound like, you know, they're,
I mean, I'm sure you can get whatever you want.
It's all a car.
You probably could get a four liter if you really wanted to.
But like from what I saw on their site, they're, you know,
they're short stroke and like three fours, three fives,
you know, like three.
Just trying to give it to an old school,
like if you're, you know,
that's what you're going to do to it.
You would have done this back then.
Yeah.
Probably a lot of weight comes out of the car
because, you know,
a lot of that stuff's probably fiberglass or carbon fiber.
I didn't really look too far into it.
It's super light.
Yeah.
So they sound awesome.
They look tough.
Not that singers don't look like that.
I feel like these just those old school long hood RSR cars
just look more,
so much more motor sport.
And I know singer and all those other places,
they're not going for a motor sport type of thing.
And I think just me personally,
I have a keen eye for always lean towards motor sport
no matter what it is and always have an affinity to it.
Kind of like moth to a flames thing where I'm kind of like,
hey, what's that over there?
They're like, oh, that's like the gentlemen like race car thing.
I'm like, yeah, I want that.
Like that's what I want.
So yeah, pretty badass build that they did.
I think they're calling it silver too.
Kudos to them for doing an awesome job.
Not that they haven't before.
They got tons of builds.
They've been in business,
like I said, for over nine years.
They have tons of clients out there.
It says a lot because Joe knows his Porsches
and he's had shark works build motors for him
and he's got, you know, a three RS with like a monster.
They got 4.2 liter in it.
He's got cars, man.
I think he's even got one from Gunther also.
So when he had them build one of those,
he's spending the money the right way.
I'll tell you that I kicked me some of that.
I'm have those have them build me one.
Be like, Hey, build me like silver three.
But a pretty cool car.
I just thought it was worth mentioning.
It's on the RSR project.
I think they're pretty cool, pretty cool shop.
And I think we actually have seen them before.
I don't think we've talked to them in person.
I think we just saw.
I think we saw one of their cars at works always.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just something about that era,
even though I wasn't alive during that time,
but just you see photos.
You see, yeah, you see photos and people racing
and the cars of that era.
And it's just, you know,
the big old chunky, you know,
Avon tires and stuff on there are the big Pirelli's
and it's just like, man, that's just cool.
That's how narrow that body was.
So anyway, you go anywhere with the width
and then that makes it look so much more.
Yeah, it's like big old haunches, big old frog.
Just sounds mean, raspy.
About two carbs.
That always helps.
Yeah, right.
Probably has the carb look, but fuel injected.
I would imagine, but who knows.
But very, very cool.
I don't have anything else for him.
Do you have anything else?
Buy a PTS Cayenne.
PTS Cayenne.
That would be interesting.
Sweet.
I think the next time we come on,
it should be with Mike and we should be,
if they're still hosting that event,
it should be at...
We'll work with Mike either way.
Yeah, we'll probably end up going there
and just having as a guest,
even if they don't do their thing.
So the next episode should be
the GM of Porsche Clearwater.
Yeah, good buddy of ours.
That'd be a good episode because
like I said before,
I think he's friends with Doug DeMiro
or used to be friends with Doug DeMiro.
I want to ask him about that
because I saw him driving his Ferrari
a long time ago.
Remember when Doug first got that 360
and he used to live in Alpharetta, Milton area
when he worked for Porsche?
I know I saw Mike in one of those
someone asked Mike about it.
He's like, oh, we worked together.
We weren't that good at buddies.
I was like, oh, that's not an eventful story.
Hopefully there's more to it.
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About this episode
A lively discussion about the latest Porsche Turbo S, including its impressive specs like 701 horsepower and hybrid assist features. The hosts dive into the implications of its performance claims, including comparisons to the Bugatti Chiron, and the significance of its reduced engine displacement. They also touch on the recent sale of a unique 2004 Cayenne, the upcoming Porsche events, and the intriguing RSR Project, which specializes in building long hood restomods. With humor and insight, they explore the evolving Porsche landscape and the excitement surrounding new models.
Original notes
Thank you to our amazing community and supporters!
New Porsche 992.2 Turbo S Drops 🔥The Numbers:
- 701 HP / 590 lb-ft of torque
- Hybrid powertrain with dual electric turbos
- Displacement actually went DOWN - 3.8L → 3.6L (everyone's missing this detail!)
- 0-60 matches Bugatti Chiron pace
- Quarter-mile: 10.3 seconds
- Configurators showing ~$270K starting price
Hot Take: While everyone's talking power numbers, the real story is Porsche achieving more with less displacement through electrification.
Market Watch 👀Wild Pricing Alert: 2014 Cayenne base model listed for $125.5K with manual transmission in Jet Green Metallic. Manual Cayennes are becoming unicorns, but this pricing is... interesting.
Racing Update 🏁IMSA at Texas: Porsche Penske took the win in wet conditions. Rain was definitely Porsche's friend - helped level the playing field against what we hear was a pretty heavy Balance of Performance penalty.
Up Next: Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta is just around the corner!
What's On Deck 🗓️Event Season Heating Up:
- Luft gathering approaching fast
- Multiple rallies on the calendar
- Our rally participants: Time's running short to get your cars dialed in!
Garage Updates:
- Host's car getting sorted this week
- 993 project: Currently running 700 lb/in front, 1100 lb/in rear spring rates (way too stiff!)
- Winter plans: Testing current setup, then switching to PSS10s
- GT3 getting Ohlins Road & Track suspension
- Big suspension development year ahead
Joe Rogan's RSR Project Delivery: Absolutely sick build from RSR Project (Northeast-based shop). They've been perfecting these restomods for 9+ years.
What We Love:
- Long hood 911 restomods
- Proper RSR race car aesthetic
- Big flares, meaty tires, proper sidewall
- Old school racing DNA
Personal Take: If we were buying a restomod, RSR Project would be top of the list. That long hood, wide-body RSR vibe with modern performance is pure perfection.
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