Analog and Grit Podcast Dec 12, 2025

2026 Bullmarket List- Which Cars Are Next To Go Up In Value?

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KBB

KBB is a website that helps you find out how much a car is worth. People use it when they want to buy or sell a car, or when they need a loan for one.

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NADA

NADA is an organization that helps people understand how much cars are worth. They provide information that car dealers and buyers can use.

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Porsche 911

The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for many years. The 1987 version is known for its unique look and powerful engine.

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Kelly Blue Book

Kelly Blue Book is a resource that tells you how much cars are worth. It's often used by people buying or selling vehicles to get a fair price.

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comps

Comps are similar cars that have been sold recently. They help you understand how much your car is worth compared to others like it.

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air-cooled 911

An air-cooled 911 is a type of Porsche 911 that cools its engine using air instead of water. This feature is typical of older models and is part of what makes them special.

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totaled

A car is 'totaled' when it gets damaged so badly that fixing it would cost more than it's worth. Insurance companies then pay the owner for the car's value.

Car

Ford 4Runner

The 3rd Gen Ford 4Runner is a type of SUV made by Ford that was popular in the 1990s. It's known for being tough and good for off-road driving.

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Toyota 4Runner

The Toyota 4Runner is another SUV, similar to the Ford 4Runner, made by Toyota. It's also known for being reliable and good for off-road adventures.

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bring a trailer

Bring a Trailer is a website where people can auction off classic and special cars. It's popular among car lovers looking for unique vehicles.

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Ford Explorer Sport

The Ford Explorer Sport is a version of the Ford Explorer SUV that has a sportier look and feel. The 2001 model is from a generation that was made between 1995 and 2001.

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Cars and Bids

Cars and Bids is a website where you can buy and sell cars, especially those that car enthusiasts love. It’s like an online auction for interesting vehicles.

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Ford GT

The Ford GT is a fast sports car made by Ford, famous for its sleek looks and racing history.

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Ferrari Testarossa

The Testarossa is a classic sports car from Ferrari, known for its unique look and strong engine.

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LFA

The LFA is a super-fast car made by Lexus, famous for its powerful engine and unique design.

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Audi Tt

The Audi TT is a small, sporty car that looks great and is fun to drive.

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Jeep Cherokee

The Jeep Cherokee is a type of vehicle called an SUV that can drive on rough roads and trails. The SRT8 version is a faster, sportier model that many people find exciting.

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Volkswagen Vanagon

The Volkswagen Vanagon is a roomy van that people often use for camping and road trips. It's loved for its retro style and how useful it is for different activities.

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Lamborghini Kuntash

The Lamborghini Countach is a very famous and flashy sports car from the 1980s. It's known for its unique shape and doors that open upwards, making it a favorite among car lovers.

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valuation of cars

Valuation of cars is how much a car is worth. It can change based on how old the car is, how well it’s taken care of, and how much people want that type of car.

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muscle cars

Muscle cars are fast cars, usually made in America, that have big engines and a sporty look. They were really popular in the 1960s and 70s for their speed and power.

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Mitsubishi Pajero

The Mitsubishi Pajero is a type of SUV that is great for off-road driving. It's been around since the 1980s and is known for being tough and reliable in rough conditions.

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Chrysler Prowler

The Chrysler Prowler is a unique car that looks like a classic hot rod but was made in the late 1990s and early 2000s. It's become more popular and valuable as time goes on, even though it wasn't initially seen that way.

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Plymouth Prowler

The Plymouth Prowler is a special car from the late 1990s that looks very different from most cars because of its unique design. It's not very common, which makes it interesting to collectors.

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Mercury Sable

The Mercury Sable Wagon is a type of car that was made by the Mercury brand, which is part of Ford. It's known for being roomy and good for families, especially popular in the 90s and early 2000s.

Concept

Radwood market

The Radwood market is about classic cars from the 1980s and 1990s that people are starting to really like and collect. These cars are becoming more valuable because of their unique style and nostalgia.

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Dodge Charger

The Dodge Charger is a big car that looks sporty and can go really fast. The models made between 1968 and 1970 are especially loved by car fans because of their cool design and strong engines.

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Toyota Prius

The Toyota Prius is a car that uses both gas and electricity to save fuel and reduce pollution. It's known for its unique shape and is popular among people who want to be more environmentally friendly.

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Ford Mustang

The Ford Mustang is a classic American sports car that is famous for being fast and stylish. It's been around for a long time and is loved by many car enthusiasts.

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Chevrolet Camaro

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Chevrolet Corvette

The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and stylish sports car that many people admire. It's been around for a long time and is known for its great performance on the road.

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Mopar

Mopar is a name that refers to parts and cars made by Chrysler, especially those that are modified for better performance.

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HAKO

'HAKO' is a nickname for a classic Nissan car known for its square shape. It's a term used by fans to refer to the first version of the Skyline GT-R.

Car

Mazda Mx5

The Mazda MX-5, or Miata, is a small sports car that is very fun to drive because it's light and nimble. The RF version has a roof that can open and close, making it great for different weather.

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Mazda Miata

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roll bar

A roll bar is a metal bar inside a car that helps keep the roof from crushing if the car flips over. It's mainly used in sports cars to keep drivers safe.

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coilovers

Coilovers are special parts of a car's suspension that help control how the car rides and handles. They can be adjusted to make the car sit higher or lower, which can improve performance.

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NB

NB is the name for the second version of the Mazda Miata, which has some upgrades and a slightly different look than the first version.

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All right, well, there you go.

Welcome to the Analog In-Grip podcast.

I'm your host, Victor Troia.

Who do we have today on our special 2026 bull market list

episode?

We got Dylan here, returning again for another episode.

I think this was one of my first of that I did,

was bull market last year.

Oh, you did do it last year.

Really?

OK.

Well, maybe we did it because I remember doing it with Josh,

right, with Pitner, but then maybe we

talked about it even further afterward.

Yeah, that was, how long ago was that?

A year.

So hard to believe anniversary bull market.

Josh here, Analog In-Grip.

So we are back to talk about this list.

A lot of cars on this list, 11.

So we'll try and get through them all.

We'll talk about whether we agree or disagree

with this car being a future classic

or a future collectible car that's

going to go up in value.

I was looking back at, they've been doing this list since 2018.

And I was looking back at some of the cars

to see if they got it right, because three, four, five

years ago, now they should be going up.

And there were some cars on there that you can be like,

oh, damn, that actually is going up.

So explain to the people that are listening

if they don't understand what the bull market list is.

Like, what is Hagerty telling us?

Yeah, so in stock market terms, anything

that's bullish is a stock that's going to go up.

If you're bullish on it, it means you feel good about it

being a good investment.

So in this case, they're going to give you 11 cars that they

feel based on like, because they're an insurance company.

So based on where they see insurance premiums going,

different generations of age groups

that are buying these cars, they

then determine which of these cars

are going to go up in value.

So for example, if they see a lot of people

buying this one specific car,

but it's not like people that are in their 70s that knew them

when this car was new.

It's like kids in their 20s, or maybe in their 30s.

Now it's crossing generational gaps,

then they can put two and two together and say, OK,

well, there's a bigger market now for this car.

So some incredible research goes into this list

because in theory, worst case scenario,

they're an insurance company.

Someone buys one of these cars on the bull market list

and crashes it, then Hagerty's

going to have to pay out the value, the fair market

value. So this is a great list.

It's a good point because this is insurance

that is set upon price insurance.

I have that with State Farm on my cars.

Like if they're considered classic,

they'll put a fixed price.

And that way, if it does get total loss,

it's the price that it costs to pay that car,

not just for the repairs, but to replace it.

Yeah, and the thing that the people should know

that I learned the hard way and a lot of people

learned the hard way is a lot of people

think KBB, Kelly Blue Book and NADA

is a good place to go to get value for cars.

And it's what the banks use when you're

getting loans on a car to value the car.

But really, if something happens to your car,

if you get crashed into or it gets stolen,

insurance companies will try to obviously offer you

the lowest possible payout.

So they'll say, oh, you crashed your Porsche 911.

According to the mileage in the year,

87, 911 is worth $20,000.

And that might be true according to NADA or Kelly Blue Book.

But you go on to the local Facebook marketplace

for the zip code you live in,

and you find out that's a $100,000 car, $80,000 car.

So then you have to come back to the insurance company

and say, hey, look, here's 10 comps of 911,

air-cooled 911 selling in my area for 80 grand.

Like you're not paying me 20 grand

for my stolen 911.

So you can negotiate with insurance company?

Absolutely.

And it's based on comps, right?

People don't know that.

Yeah, yeah, it's, I mean, that's sad

because how much money are they losing, right?

On cars that get totaled.

But yeah, like I learned that,

I remember on the 3rd Gen Ford 4Runner,

Ford 4Runner, Toyota 4Runner.

The 3rd Gen where you see those cars everywhere, right?

In Southern California, the 3rd Gen 4Runner.

And the newest one is like 02, I think, 01.

So it's like the 25-year-old car

that you see everywhere.

That car has a much larger resale value,

private party than what Kelly Blue Book says.

So I remember when I bought my,

I was looking to buy one on Facebook

and I was giving the guy,

you know how Kelly Blue Book will tell you

like if it's over right price?

Like it'll give you a range.

Now Marketplace actually incorporates that

into the listing.

It'll tell you if you're way over priced

on your listing.

So I was using that like,

oh, this car is worth three grand.

It was a 4x4 3rd Gen 4Runner

with like, I don't know, 150,000 miles.

And he was asking like eight grand.

I was like, what are you talking about, dude?

Like Kelly Blue Book high end is four grand.

Why would you be asking him eight?

I knew I could get eight on bring a trailer, you know?

But I was trying to obviously get him to go down.

And I remember that was the first time I realized

that you could easily use Blue Book

as a tool to like negotiate.

To negotiate, yeah.

Yeah, for those who don't know.

Yeah, as soon as somebody comes at me

when I'm selling a used car with Blue Book,

I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna stop you there.

Yeah, we don't do that here.

Exactly.

Yeah, it's, who uses Blue Book anymore?

It's like an old tool.

There's so much that it doesn't take into account.

The banks, yeah.

NADA, I know like Navy Fed uses NADA, things like that.

But.

I've given that speech to so many potential buyers

that come at me with the Blue Book speech.

I say, oh, you know, I give them the same speech

that I just listed off.

Oh, that's for banks, blah, blah, blah.

A good frame of reference, I think, for older cars

and not even necessarily super enthusiast-focused cars

is classic.com, because it pulls examples

of past sales from enthusiast sites.

So like even if I look up, let's just say,

a 2001 Ford Explorer Sport stick shift,

if I look it up on classic.com,

it's gonna show the Ford Explorer stick shifts

that sold on bring a trailer and cars and bids, you know?

So I feel like that's a little bit better frame

of reference.

Yup.

So I went back to 2021, Haggerty's bull market list.

So really it's 2020 for 2021.

So pretty much right after COVID.

So we can kind of get a little quick snapshot

on like how accurate this is on like if these cars went up.

So this isn't obviously this year's,

but just to kind of give you guys a reference

for credibility.

They said Ford GT, LFA, looks like Testarosa,

Audi TT, the FJ80 series Land Cruiser.

And then it looks like the, oh, that's the Martin.

Yeah, it's Aston Martin.

Yeah, Vantage.

Yeah.

The SRT8 Grand Cherokee.

And then look at a little Westy Vanagon in the back.

Vanagon, yeah.

I would agree on like half of those.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

What list is this?

This is 2021's Haggerty bull market list.

Just to like use it as a frame of reference

to see like have these cars gone up in 25 years.

Yeah, let's zoom out again.

Let me look at those again.

And then there's even a...

Yeah, like think about the Land Cruiser.

We're talking 2020.

That's like when all the like overland hype started happening.

So it's fair to say that that one was accurate.

I would have put the Ford GT.

I would have put also the Kuntash on there too.

That thing is skyrocketing value.

I think it came later year, the Kuntash.

I remember it was like the special edition

or anniversary edition came up.

But yeah, this was 2021.

Yeah, the Testarosa and the Kuntash bull.

Yeah, let's see.

2022.

You know what's funny?

I think the valuation of cars is based on

the cars that we kind of pined over as kids.

And now that we're in our 40s and 50s

and we can afford the cars that we dreamed about,

that's what drives the price up.

Yup.

Because nobody's buying really muscle cars

or pre-60s cars anymore, like cars from the 50s.

Nobody's buying those.

You've seen those really tank and value

because the boomers that were buying them

aren't really enthusiasts anymore.

They're not driving or they're driving comfortable cars,

not enthusiast cars anymore.

Right.

Yeah, the Kuntash was last year, looks like.

Yeah, there it is.

So with the Prowler, the Pajero.

Man, I didn't think that thing

was ever gonna go up in value.

Well actually two years ago, it was 2024.

Cause yeah, 2024.

This is technically 2020.

I would never advise someone to buy the Prowler

because it's gonna go up in value.

You gotta buy this Prowler, man.

This is gonna be a great investment.

That's why we're here to talk the 2026 list

and see if they're actually right.

Because obviously here you see so many cars

coming and go at analog and grid.

Cars that obviously are for sale,

some are posting them on bring a trailer,

they're taking photos for cars and bids, whatever it is.

And we can see what they're getting, right?

I mean, obviously we keep track of the market.

You do a very well, a good job of doing that too

with like even like bargain fines, right?

Like your Mercury Sable Wagon.

You know what I mean?

Cars like that that you would never even think,

but they're survivor cars, right?

So those do well usually because people like,

it's a nostalgia for them.

So a clean survivor car for them is worth four or five

grand.

That's a different market.

I would call that the Radwood market.

Yeah, because I would never advise anyone

to buy a Mercury Sable Wagon.

All right, so let's get into this list.

Number one is a 68 to 70 Dodge Charger.

So it's the second gen charger,

not the Dukesahazard charger, it's the Dom Toretto charger.

So they're thinking that those are gonna go up even more,

I guess, like substantially this year, right?

Because those have always held a pretty high value.

Yeah, low end, right?

They have four categories, low end 45.5 on these.

So that's pretty high for like four is like fair,

it's second fair condition.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's gonna go up, they predict higher than 50 grand.

Well, yeah, because in good condition, it's at 61,000.

Yeah, that's wild because I categorize that

obviously in the muscle car category,

but I would blame the Fast and the Furious movie

for its popularity.

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, it kind of crosses,

it's like one car that crosses both demographics

in a unique way.

It's now a Fast and the Furious car.

That's wild that a movie franchise would increase

the valuation on a car that otherwise

would have been forgotten about, I would argue.

It talks about in the article,

it mentions the Dukes of Hazard,

and then like graduating from that

to the Dom Toretto's family, right?

So yeah.

I've always liked that car even prior

to Fast and the Furious because of the design.

It's got such a unique design,

like the swept lines and the light,

even on the hood and on the front fenders,

and then you see on the door,

it's got like the swept back,

kind of, I don't even know what to call that,

the body paneling.

It has no headlights, they're operated by vacuum.

And that car is gonna be,

aside from the other muscle cars,

it's gonna be extremely popular.

People are gonna snatch those up.

I feel like when muscle cars,

especially 70s era or 60s,

it's like they all look the same for me.

I can't distinguish them.

And I know that that's cause

I'm not really well versed in them.

But usually you can look at a car

and you'd be like, oh, that car

has a discernible feature about it

that you know it's a Toyota Prius.

Compared to like with this generation,

they all, am I not wrong for saying

like they just all look the same?

I disagree.

I mean, if you think of like a lot of the big three,

like the, if you do the Mustang,

the Camaro, the Corvette,

I mean, those are all like distinct.

100%, but like I'm talking like the Plymouths,

the Mercurys.

The Mopar, Mopar stuff, yeah.

A lot of Mopar stuff.

Yeah, that's true.

But I would say that the 69, 68 Dodge Charger

is unique.

It's very distinctive.

Yeah, it's got a longer hood,

you know, skinnier grill,

you know, those swept back body lines.

And it usually has a light bar in the back.

Oh, you know, this is unpopular opinion.

I would argue that also that the Japanese

borrowed style cues from that car,

that exact car, 69 Charger,

to do their Skyline, the Ken Mary.

Oh, really?

Some people see it and some people don't.

But if you put a 69 Charger

next to a Ken Mary GTR,

it's unmistakable.

Okay.

The comparisons.

It's like a tiny,

it looks like a tiny Dodge Charger.

I gotta look that up.

How do you spell it?

Ken, K-E-N-M-E-R-I, Ken Mary.

It has that big rectangular grill

with the trim piece around it

and the double sealed beams

and the front fascia.

Yeah, Ken Mary GTR, exactly.

It looks like a tiny Japanese version.

I see.

Don't you think?

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

This isn't like the,

what do they call the first GTR?

The HAKO?

Yeah.

HAKOSKA?

Yeah.

Look at that thing.

Japanese Charger.

Yeah.

Well, the design language back then was similar, you know?

Like people copied obviously other countries

with their design language.

Oh yeah.

Definitely with the rear.

Look at that thing.

Yeah, no doubt.

The open grill.

All right.

So just a quick little note on values from,

so 2020 they were,

this is like concor values.

Back in 2020, they were getting like 76.

Now they kind of went up pretty much to like over 100,000.

Now they're, oh, average value, my bad.

Not highest value.

So average value is in between 90, 95,000 dollars.

That's a $100,000 car.

Mm-hmm.

That's crazy.

That is crazy.

It seems like not too many years ago,

they were, you know, 50 grand.

Yeah.

I mean, I get it.

It's the movie effect.

That's the only thing I can say would make me believe

that it's worth every penny of that

only because like cars that have that movie effect,

Dukes of Hazard, obviously in this case,

anything that's fast and furious

that any of the main characters drove,

but drove in multiple movies,

not just like for one scene.

You know what I mean?

Right, right.

Like it's iconic because it's been in the movie

for a good period of time,

not just, you know, one race crashes and then it's done.

So I can see that.

It was the character car of the badass in the movie.

Everybody wanted to be Toretto.

Right.

And what's he driving?

Oh, he's driving the 69 charger.

All right, so 9905 Mazda MX-5 Miata.

This is the NB Miata.

So low values are like $3,800.

Good values are around 9,400.

It's probably where you're gonna see a lot of them at

today and we did an episode on this last week

because Justin Pitner bought one

and we were just like curious to see what

people think of the NB, right?

Being that Miata is always the answer,

as a lot of people say.

I can't believe Justin got one.

That's funny.

Yeah.

For a daily driver.

As a daily driver, like pretty much,

I mean, it was really cheap.

He got it for a really good deal.

Good for him.

But not to track it, came with a roll bar.

It's lowered on coils,

but he wants it to just be a daily.

I mean, we argued that it was a well-balanced car.

It's a slow car that makes you feel like you're going fast,

but it's also a good track car, like a starter kit.

I think you mentioned you used the word starter kit car.

For a lot of different people, it's a good,

I'll just reiterate what I pretty much said last week,

it's good for a lot of people for their first car,

whether it's a teenager's first car,

whether it's your first track car,

whether it's your first car you wanna learn

how to work on, it checks all those boxes.

But I argued to NA's the one you want.

But they're saying in this article

that now the NB has reached NA values.

It's like close to like 10 grand.

Yeah, and like a 10% difference,

I think you said last week?

More or less.

On average.

Which is 10% of 10 grand,

it's like a thousand bucks between the two of them.

But the NA is the,

usually the original always is the one people want,

the first gen,

because of the fact that it has the,

everyone remembers it as a disruptor in the industry.

It came into the US market

and it pretty much put all the German, Italian,

British little roadsters out of business, so.

Because it was actually reliable.

Exactly.

Here's another thing that I just thought of

that I think could be a factor

with the value of NBs going up is,

I feel like maybe a lot of people have bought NA Miata's

and they liked them enough to buy another Miata

and they ended up buying an NB

and they actually liked it a lot better as a driver's car.

Because I've talked to people who have both

and they tell me that the NB is just a better driver.

So maybe some of those Miata owners,

have had multiple Miata's now

and they're saying, oh, I like the NB better.

Yeah, it's more refined, right?

But it doesn't have that it factor though, I don't think.

Yeah, I mean,

if you're into the originality of the car,

you'd go with the first gen.

That's the one that I would go with.

But if you're more into the performance

and creature comforts and styling,

maybe go with the newer model with more improvements.

But it's a known formula.

I mean, not too long ago

in the not too long ago distant past,

you can buy the NA for three or 4,000

and now they're at what, 10,000?

Yeah.

So it's a formula that this car is gonna repeat.

Right, that's what they're suspecting.

I don't think so though.

I don't think it has it.

You see so many of them.

I don't know the numbers on NBs

with production, how many they made of them.

But I never look at one, I'm like,

oh my God, it's so cool, right?

Like right now, I see an NA and I'm like,

oh my God, it's so cool.

But then again, maybe like your generation, right?

Grows up and you're in your 30s

and then you look at an NB and you're like,

oh my God, it's so cool, right?

Cause what's the oldest one right now?

Like 96 or 70?

But people never looked at the NA

and said, oh my God, it's so cool.

It was just more about the drivability.

Right, so that's why I'm saying

maybe like his generation, at the time that happens

cause you're not gonna see as many, you know?

They're gonna be all clapped out

and nutrition will kick in

and all these cars will be, you know,

more or less the junkyards, but oh, oh five.

So it's 20 years old is the newest one.

These cars are mopeds.

Like they're a blast to drive

but you don't wanna see, you know,

your friends driving one

or you don't want your friends to see you driving one.

It's all for drivability and a good time driving.

Well Josh, why don't you share, man?

You're not a convertible guy, obviously, right?

These cars only came in convertible

with the exception of a hardtop you can buy

or the RF and the ND, right?

Which technically you can't say,

you can say it's a Target maybe.

But regardless, what do you think?

Hairdress this car and zero cool factor?

I'd never drove a Miata until maybe Dylan

and I sold one maybe, what was that, three months ago?

Yeah.

And I was like.

For the first time, really.

For the first time, I was just anti

because I think if I'm being honest.

It's not gritty enough.

And I put my ego to the side,

I was afraid that I would love it.

Yeah.

Oh.

And so.

So.

And then I thought I'd have to adjust my whole lifestyle,

start dressing different, do my hair different.

And so that happened and luckily it sold

so I didn't have the option to keep it.

But it was a blast to drive.

The only negative thing that I have to say

about the N.A. Miata was the upper portion

of the windshield frame was right in my face.

And so if I was to own one, which I probably won't,

I would probably lower the seats or, you know,

delete the seat rails or something like that.

That is a big problem with N.A.'s for sure.

How tall are you?

Six one.

Okay.

I remember the first time I drove my roommates

pulling up to a stoplight at an intersection

and I either had to stick my head a little bit above

or below the windshield frame

to see the light go green.

Yeah.

I definitely crouched down when I was driving it.

It was a ton of fun, well balanced,

good power to weight ratio.

I did like it, but you know, there's about 50 cars

that I like more.

I wouldn't own one.

All right.

So competitive analysis between N.A. and N.B.

They actually put a chart and they show you

the red one is the N.A.

And then the bottom one is the N.B.

So there's that 10% gap, right?

It's not much anymore.

So they're just figuring,

therefore shadowing that maybe in a couple of years

it'll reach the N.A.

Or at least follow suit and carry on its coattails.

Yeah.

So we'll see, time will tell,

but I just don't see it simply

because it's the second gen.

I don't think it will as quickly, maybe with time, right?

But yeah, everyone says,

like don't knock on me out until you drive it

because apparently it's always the answer, right?

So this is the N.B. front end headlights are not pop-up.

So that's really the only thing the N.A.

It's got going for it, right?

Yeah, that's it for me.

It's like I want pop-ups or nothing.

Yeah.

All right.

So here's a, we're going back to the 50s on this one.

Lincoln Continental Mark II.

So this car apparently was one of the most expensive cars

you can buy back in the 50s.

Let me scroll down to a photo here.

So beautiful.

So really pretty car.

I think from what I read was it was the first car

to have this star for Lincoln on it.

I think here, this is Lincoln's attempt

to like compete with Cadillac, right?

Because Cadillac, it was the standard of the world, right?

That's kind of their logo.

It set it on the Celestique

on every single nut and bolt that you drove at Car Week.

This car was pretty much the competitor to it.

Had to live up to the Cadillac standard.

Yeah, and another thing to keep in mind too

is that this time in the 50s,

the American luxury cars were very much on par

with like British luxury cars like Rolls-Royce and Jaguar.

Like they were genuine competitors at that time.

Like Americans who had money would cross shop

a brand new Cadillac with like a Jaguar or a Rolls-Royce.

So that's another thing to consider.

I think Cadillac has always been the gold standard.

I don't know when they fell off maybe.

Malaise era, late 70s.

Yeah, but it's like even I guarantee,

even when these Lincoln's came out

that our grandparents were saying,

ah, that's nice, but it ain't no Cadillac.

Right, yeah.

Maybe, yeah.

I mean, look, the demographics is what they're going off of

in the last three years.

They're seeing more people under 50 buying them, right?

So that's kind of their conclusion is

while younger people are buying these cars.

So that means that it's crossing generations.

Like I said earlier, so.

That really surprises me.

I don't know.

I mean, aside from Dylan admiring the car,

I really don't know anyone who admires those

or would put money down to buy one.

I don't either.

Well, you know, I wanna give you guys an example

of one thing that I noticed.

A while ago on Instagram, I posted a reel

of like some late 50s cars of that style.

It was Chrysler Imperial

and I couldn't believe the engagement

it got from young people on my page.

I mean, over 200,000 views, 21,000 likes

and it's all like other people who have accounts like mine.

You know, so maybe people are,

maybe younger people are starting, I can't say why

but maybe younger people are starting to admire

like those curves and those big fins

because I can tell you that I couldn't believe

how many people engaged with my post.

Yeah, that's interesting.

When I put the spotlight on a car like that.

Yeah, I don't know why Gen Z would,

I could see maybe millennials

because it says under 50, right?

So millennials, maybe some Gen X

but Gen Z to be buying cars like this.

I don't know.

Well, does it also have to do with the value too

because they're at a point now

where people are starting to say,

well, damn, that's a hell of a car for this much money.

Well, 21,7 for the fairest, you know, number four.

That's a lot of money too.

40 for a good one.

So it's not, they're not cheap.

Yeah.

I remember there was a Lincoln Continental

with the suicide doors.

That's the era that I'm interested in.

So that's beyond the fifties or the one you're talking about.

That's the entourage car.

Exactly.

So that's 1960 to 65.

That's the primo spot.

And I would own one of those.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, entourage made that car hella famous.

But not only that.

Unfortunately, because they were priced at,

prior to entourage, they were priced at 15 to 20 grand.

Oh, really?

They're at like 60 to 75.

Wow.

Yeah.

Now, do you see these like being driven in like Bario Logan

with like on hydraulics?

No.

They would never do that.

Later Continental.

Yeah.

OK.

Well, either way, it's a beautiful car, right?

We can all agree on that.

I could see one of those bagged, you know,

all stock on white walls bagged out at like a good guy's

show.

Yeah.

But not really low rider vibes.

Yeah, this is the car.

I think Jay Leno showed this on his show.

I don't know if he has one, but it has the gas cap hidden

underneath or right in the back of the tail light.

Tail light.

Yeah, it's pretty neat.

Yeah, for that streamlined look.

Yeah.

And then, as you can see, the little interior

like switches.

Yeah, the cars like this have just a gorgeous dashboard

modeled after 50s appliances.

All right, so this car that's next is a 1990 to 1993

Chevy 454 SS.

Highest values are at 88.

The lowest are at 12.

So pretty far range there from like Concord to Fair.

But I imagine it's probably going to be hard finding.

I don't know if I can find one of these in Concord shape.

I mean, it was a pickup truck.

Yeah.

So what do you guys think?

I mean, this car reminded me of the first time I saw it

was like, OK, it's a buff GMC Cyclone.

Well, yeah, the idea behind these pickup trucks

is the 454 was the big block Chevy motor of the muscle car

era.

And so by the time this truck came out,

they said, why don't we put our big block Chevy

motor that's been so popular, the 454, into a pickup truck?

And so it's basically, and for all intents and purposes,

a muscle car truck.

And so that's the appeal.

It makes an incredible sound.

The motor is huge.

It's got huge horsepower.

And it's in a truck.

So that's the appeal.

It's prior to the LS era.

That was the biggest baddest motor you can get, the 454.

It's the motor that our family, when I was a kid,

had in our motor home.

Right.

Yeah, exactly.

A lot of motor homes came with the 454.

So it's still corroborated, it looks like.

I think it's probably fuel.

Yeah, that one's fuel.

Oh, wow.

Probably throttle body injection.

But by 1990, huh?

So they already, OK.

Well, yeah, I mean, I know my Alphas in the 80s

had fuel injection, but they advertised it, like injection.

Oh, yeah.

It's a big deal, where I guess the Americans came a little

after that.

But this truck is actually really cool.

I could see this truck 100%.

I feel like, didn't we talk about this a couple weeks ago

at EDD, like old body style pickup trucks, right?

So anything like regular cab, single cab,

like sport trucks, so if they're not four-wheel drive,

but they're lowered, right?

They'll do well, especially like Southern California.

And the reason that a lot of those OBS trucks

are going up in value is because people

are realizing that those trucks have stood the test of time

and that a lot of new trucks are proving not to be good

and not to be reliable.

I mean, Chevy just had their huge engine recall

on all of the new 6.2s.

Ford's had problems with some of their newer EcoBoost

engines.

And sometimes it seems like now, people

just want to buy a nice old truck for half the price that does

everything they need it to do.

So those Fords and those Chevy's old body style

are just growing.

Their value has been increasing for that reason.

I could also see people that buy a Raptor.

Like I mentioned that this was the predecessor to a Raptor.

Obviously the Raptor is a Ford and this is a Chevy.

But the pickup truck that, I mean, really the first one

was the SRT10 Dodge Ram.

Like at least for us now.

Yeah, I would compare that 454 to the SRT Dodge Ram or the RT.

Well, even the Raptor one had the 6.2 liter in it, right?

The first time they introduced a Raptor in a F-150.

Regardless, it's a pickup truck that they put a monster

motor in.

And now the people that buy those cars today,

they want to look at, OK, what came before this car?

I want to be, because now they

identify with being a pickup truck owner, a racing truck.

So then they're going to look at the previous ones.

Yeah, they're going to look at those.

They're going to look at lightnings.

They're going to look at, yeah, all those cars.

That's a good point.

This had 230 horsepower, 385 pound-feet of torque back

in 1990 in a truck.

So it sent power to the rear wheels

through a three-speed automatic with a 3.73 final drive

ratio.

That's a hefty shift.

Talk about a jerk when that transmission shifts.

Right.

Yeah, you bring up a good point.

I think the lightning was aimed to compete with that truck.

The SVT lightning.

Yeah.

Not the current electric one.

No, not the current one.

The first gen, second gen lightning

would be the competitor for this truck.

Yeah, another.

That truck's going to go way up in value too.

First gen and second gen lightning.

Yeah, nobody cares about the electric one.

That's what Paul Walker drove before.

That was second gen.

Second gen, yeah.

I forget about the first gen.

Because they kind of look very similar.

They're a lot less common too.

So you don't ever see them on the road.

Whereas you do see second gens.

Right.

Yeah, so, yeah.

I mean, I agree on this one.

I think this is definitely going to be,

it even looks cool.

Like you can see what the graphics,

like what the SS badging on the side,

like I don't know if they only came in black, right?

That was back when SS meant something.

Right, yeah.

Now they put them on economy cars.

Yeah, I like what,

I like how GM was doing with their SS cars

in that time period too.

They put a lot of attention on the colors of those cars,

making them look for menacing advertising.

Yeah, exactly.

Menacing's a good word.

Yeah, like they'll put an SS on like a Chevy Cruze or something.

Yeah, or like a, what is that the,

it's not the, I don't know, the crossover vehicles.

Oh, the Blazer.

Yeah, the Trail Blazer, the Equinox.

HHR.

Yeah.

Well they, yeah, they did an SS HHR with a panel van,

no windows.

So this next one, another General Motors product.

I have been talking about this car lately

because I've been hearing more and more

about its horsepower numbers, 06 to 13,

so C6-Z06.

So 80,000 on the high range, 27,000 on the low range

for a fair one, and we're talking seven liter V8.

80 grand on the high range?

Yeah, that's wild.

To me, like Corvettes never really did it for me.

It seems like every year there's a faster,

better one to come out, and they're so common

that to me for the bull market

and for something to go up in value,

I think it should be somewhat rare.

If it's so common and they have so many,

so many were produced, and the one that's coming out next year

is gonna have more horsepower,

then I can just wait till next year,

get one that's got more power,

that's got better interior, better styling.

I don't see anything special about that.

I wouldn't recommend to buy it

and wait for the value to go up.

There's tens of thousands of them.

I see what you're saying.

The thing that strikes me though is,

yeah, granted, it's a Corvette,

there's so many of them, right?

There's obviously less than zero sixes,

but the sweet spot Corvette,

like from C1 to C8, where's that sweet spot

where like, bang for your buck, right?

In many ways, I would argue that it could be the C6,

and I think one thing that could be affecting

those values going up is people are starting

to drift those cars or getting hit with the drift tax

and more of them are getting bashed

and more of them are getting not nice

original condition anymore.

They've been taken apart and cut up.

So I think that could be a big part of it.

You can get, it's one of the most tail happy Corvettes

because unlike the C5, it doesn't have the rear transaxle.

So that's appealing too for somebody

who just wants like a more traditional,

modern front engine rear wheel drive vet.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with Josh, the fact that like,

there's always gonna be a newer, faster one later, right?

Like, again, Jay Leno, I love quoting him.

He said when he bought his, I think it was the Viper,

they were like, oh, they're never gonna make a car

with 400 horsepower ever again, you know?

Because they thought with emissions and things like that,

they would like strangle hold engines

and things like that, which happened like in the 70s

and 80s for a short period until I figured it out.

But like, I don't, that doesn't like

make sense anymore today.

Like, we know there's gonna, like,

we're at a thousand horsepower now, right?

When this car came out, the Z06, right?

Obviously it had a 505 horsepower, right?

We're talking in the mid to, what, mid 2000s.

So that was probably really crazy.

It was impressive, yeah.

Right?

And on a seven liter.

So yeah, it's not impressive now

because it's like, oh, big deal, 505 horsepower.

But like, bang for your buck, when I think of that,

I'm like, okay, what, where are you gonna get

505 horsepower under 25 or under 30K?

And to address Dylan's coming on the drift tax,

like, even if all those Z06s get smoked into a wall,

the same tax that we see on like Sylvia's or S13's, S14's,

you know, when it's so rare to find one

that hasn't been smoked into a wall or totaled,

like, you can get another Z06,

like the year after the year after that

or the year after that.

Yeah.

Like, there's an endless supply of Corvettes,

even endless supply of Z06s.

There's nothing special about it.

Yeah, but people using them for drifting

just increases the desire ability,

which also raises the value.

Well, the only reason people are using them for drifting

is because they're cheap and powerful.

Yeah, yeah, they're a great value.

Demographic chart on this one.

So 37% are Gen X, boomers are the highest at 43%.

And then it's showing 14% of millennials

that are buying them.

So I suspect they think that the millennial

maybe might increase and then obviously the one before.

Only because they're cheap.

But nobody is buying that car for 80 grand ever.

Yeah.

Well, in my opinion.

Their argument is it's at the bottom

of its depreciation, right?

It's now coming up on 20.

The early ones are 20 years old.

The newer ones are now pushing 12 years old.

But I don't know.

I think there might be some little more room

for them to go down.

I think at least the newer ones.

When you think about like Corvettes, right?

There's so many of them, right?

But the Z06 usually is,

or the ZR1 is the Holy Grail, right?

So usually the Holy Grail versions

or the most powerful versions hold their value the best.

Are we accounting ZR1 values in this?

Well, I don't think there was a Z06 ZR1.

Yes, there was.

There was a Z, I mean, my bad, a C6 ZR1.

There was a C6 ZR1.

Yeah, the blue one with the clear hood.

You can see the supercharger.

Oh, right, right, right, right.

That's right.

Because if we're taking those cars,

if we're taking the values of those into account,

then that explains the 80 grand.

No, no, this is just simply Z06.

Okay, gotcha.

That's right, so there was the Holy Z06.

Yeah, because right, you would understand

if ZR1 values, then we're talking 80.

Yeah, I mean, I could see it not depreciating

that much beyond this, but I don't,

I think this is one that I feel like

it's great bang for your buck,

but I don't see it really like.

You're not gonna tell all your friends

to buy one and shove it in a garage for 10 years.

Exactly, and that's what this list is supposed to be about.

Right, yeah, this is a great investment.

Like, hey, buy it now, enjoy it.

Like, yeah, you might lose a little money down the road,

but it's gonna be a slow depreciation.

But I mean, great bang for your buck

if you could find one around 25 to 30 grand.

So, all right, next one, near and dear to my heart.

Josh, don't you own one of these?

I do.

A 1969 to 72 Alfa Romeo GTV.

So, 163,000 in concor value.

28.6 on fair value.

So, a good one is around 48.

So, this is the, I think they're highlighting the one,

not the 2000, the 1750.

So, the, yeah, the 1750 GTV.

Yeah, great, great value.

Obviously, I think it's a good buy

because I own one.

And mine in the short time I've owned it

has gone up, I don't know, $10,000.

Yeah.

Really?

So, it's gone up already in value.

What do you guys think?

I wanna ask you guys,

because I don't know too much about these cars.

Why are they getting more attention recently?

It's, yeah, great question.

So, the reason for this car is kind of like

similar to the other cars we've talked about,

the driver feel.

I didn't really get it.

I mean, it's always been aesthetically pleasing,

sexy car, but until you drive it,

you really don't get it's, you know,

the dual overhead cam, ITBs and it makes cool noises.

And it's a driver's car.

You just love driving it.

You feel cool.

Feel like you're going around Lake Como in Italy.

And it's just a really cool driving experience.

And I think that's what made it popular when it debuted.

And then now it's become popular

because of the analog experience

coupled with the cheap price tag.

And so everybody's snatching them up

because you want a cool looking car

from a cool era that's fun to drive,

but you don't have air cool 911 money.

You get that, the GTV.

And so now that everybody's figuring that out,

like, okay, well, I really wanna get a cool car,

but I'm not in the 911 price bracket.

Like, let's check out Alpha.

And then they grab everyone's getting Alphas.

And then the way it goes is the price is low,

the car is cool, everybody buys them up.

Then the aftermarket follows

and aftermarket companies start producing wheels

and parts and replacement panels and everything.

And then people start fixing them up

and then people notice them.

Other people that didn't get it early, they notice them

and they're like, oh, wow, I gotta get one of those.

Well, guess what?

Yesterday's price isn't today's price.

And so they gotta pay more.

And then it becomes more popular

and then everybody wants one.

And then the price is like through the roof,

which is like right where we're at right now.

So you're gonna see a lot more of these on the road, for sure.

Yeah, when I was looking for my Spyder, right?

Like that's what, six years ago?

I was looking at these two just to kind of compare like,

okay, well, maybe the Spyder's like,

in my thought was gonna be the next GTV

because they were at 35,000, right?

About six, seven years ago.

Obviously not, not in the same category.

Just because they're both Alfa Romeo's,

you can't even compare the two

simply because this car has race and pedigree, right?

This is a car that like he said, 911,

people that are cross shopping vintage 911s

are cross shopping this, right?

Two door, analog, twin cam, I mean it was a, yeah,

twin cam dual overhead cam engine,

which was a pretty innovative back then.

This is in the 60s, right?

So I mean, when you look at it, beautiful, right?

Obviously like from the back, from the front.

I mean-

I've always loved the looks of these.

The interior, and when you get in that car

and you put on like racing gloves,

like you said, you feel like you're driving down

the Amalfi Coast or Lake Homo,

like it takes you there, it's the emotional part

that maybe the 911 doesn't have, you know?

The 911 obviously is like a, you know,

it's like, it's fun and vintage

and it's like track focused,

but even like the earlier ones,

like in your G body,

I don't think has like that same sexiness

that this car has.

Yeah, and then not a lot of people know what this is

and there's an appeal behind that too.

Like what is that thing?

And then it opens up the conversation.

I agree.

It's fun to drive, it's fun to look at,

it's fun to answer questions about

and it's fun to be different.

Right.

Not everybody wants to drive a 911

and like the other 10,000 people in your neighborhood.

Right, yeah.

So, and I'm glad cause like I'm not the person

to be like, oh, now everyone's buying out for emails.

Like I'm the way I am

because I want people to recognize out for emails,

you know?

Not just as cars that are just unreliable

and like have a bunch of electrical gremlins,

you know?

Like for all the buildings.

They don't run and they leak oil when they do run.

Yeah, but I mean, look, at the end of the day,

like it's the most striking car I think on this list.

Like when you look at it from any angle,

like it's not necessarily as beautiful

like the Lincoln with like long swooping lines

and things like that from that generation.

It carries a much different beauty.

Right, right.

This car on this list,

I would recommend is the best buy

to for as an investment.

Yeah.

Like this is the most bullish car on this list

or get it now because next week

it's gonna be more expensive.

Now they are like distinguishing the 1750 GTV

with the 2000, cause 2000 I believe came a little later

but cause it's based on the engine size, right?

So the 1750 is they're saying is even actually higher

in value than the 2000 GTV.

But regardless, like when you think about

nothing changes rather than the engine displacement,

I think they even started like 1600 CCs

with that twin cam engine, right?

Like the Alfa Romeo Spider has pretty much the same block.

These are two different.

But yeah, it was a 1600 CC,

like the one that I think Matt,

he's a member here, his green one, right?

It was like originally I think like a 1300,

it was like the junior GTV, right?

So like back then in Italy,

even probably still till today they,

you paid like tax based on the CCs of your engine.

Kind of like how they do in Japan with K cars.

That's right.

Right?

So like you wanted a smaller CC engine

so you don't pay as much for it.

But yeah, obviously when you look at yeah, 2000 GTV

it's probably gonna be more horsepower.

You know, maybe they made a little more of them.

That's why the 1750 could be a little bit more rare.

But regardless, like did I answer your question?

Cause that was a good question.

No, yeah.

No, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely, because I knew like obviously

the looks of that car are appealing,

but I was trying to figure out like what else

in recent times, you know, brought people to that car.

So you guys answered my question.

Yeah, there's the engine.

You could see it still looks very similar.

Like my 1994 Alfa Romeo,

which was the last year the Spyder in the US

with that twin cam, which is crazy to think

from the 60s to 1994, the block never changed.

It looked just like that, almost identical.

The only thing that's changed obviously was

they went from carburetors to speak

of mechanical fuel injection to, you know,

electronic fuel injection, every type of Bosch,

you know, from Motronic to LGET, so KJET.

I mean, there was so many different versions.

But carburetors, is yours carburetor?

It is, yeah.

From my understanding, like you put Weber's on there,

it's probably the best fit for that car,

especially like engine, like the noise and everything.

So, all right, moving on to the 06 to 2010 M5.

So apparently I didn't know this.

We got a manual in this gen M5, but Europe didn't.

Interesting.

And this was the V10, right?

So low end, because these are notoriously unreliable.

Like they have a reputation.

I forget exactly what is the part

that's unreliable about it.

Rod bearings.

Rod bearings, there you go.

So 8,500.

Yeah, on the V10s.

Starting fair price, 8,500, but Concord is saying 77,

but good 22,000, so I don't know where the variance is,

because that's a big gap.

But yeah, V10 codenamed the S85.

So it's a five liter engine, horsepower, let's see.

I imagine it's gotta be up there,

so it's not showing the horsepower figure

in the article for some reason.

It says the problem on this car is the rod bearings,

like Dylan said, throttle actuator failures

and vanos system problems, solenoid pump and lines.

Okay.

Leading the car goes into engine limp mode,

if neglected.

Yeah.

I think one thing that could account for the value increase

is now all the problems with them are known

and able to be remedied.

Okay.

Let's say for instance, you buy a cheap,

one on the cheaper side of the spectrum,

M5 of this generation.

If you're willing to put the money into it right away

and kind of like, quote unquote, bullet proof it,

then you could end up with a pretty decent car.

Okay.

I mean, yeah, like reliability,

how many cars that we mentioned are reliable on this list?

Maybe the Miata, with the exception.

I don't know how bad the Z06 could be,

probably not so bad.

But regardless, like you're not,

no one's thinking of reliability.

When a car is this old, eventually it's,

I mean, this car isn't that old.

What is it, 2010 was the last year, so 15 years.

But yeah, it's cost of labor and cost of parts, right?

So forget about that, they're gonna break down.

It's how much is it gonna cost to fix these things?

Right.

Because you don't want,

like if you own a Porsche, a Ferrari, Lamborghini,

any type of exotic even, you expect that, right?

Like you can't just own a Ferrari

with no money in your savings account, right?

Like it's not just about getting the car.

Like you need to be able to afford it too.

This car, BMW, not everyone's thinking like that.

They're not thinking I need to be able to afford an M5, right?

I wouldn't recommend this car.

I think if you're in the market for an M5,

there's much better examples of M5s like before

and after this example.

Yeah, like the E39 is probably the one

that everyone thinks of, pinnacled BMW, right?

Like and the turn of the century,

that was in my eyes the best M5.

This one that came after obviously is cool

because it's a manual sports sedan with 500 horsepower,

which the E39 never had.

If it runs.

If it runs, right.

But not only that, like fix it for under,

I mean you paid 8,500 for it,

now you gotta put 8,500 in it.

It's gonna be hard to justify.

Maybe more.

Right.

And that list that I read off of common issues,

that was only the beginning of the list.

It was like maybe eight other things.

It gets the oil pump grenades.

It has water that leaks on the ECU.

It's just very poorly designed.

Yeah, their argument is that supply is shrinking.

Well, with good reason.

Yeah, yeah.

Because they're all in the junkyard.

Yeah, less than 10%.

They sit.

Yeah, I think it's just a paperweight,

a big paperweight.

Like the V10 aspect sounds appealing until you get one.

You're like, man, this thing's a money pit.

Right.

And people that do buy them or buy them

because they're buying them for seven, eight grand.

Yeah.

Well, that's what I'm saying, right?

So right now with the current values,

if you buy one for cheap

and you're in love with that car,

you wanna have the V10,

then you might be willing to spend the money

to remedy all those common issues.

If it's worth it.

So I think that is something to keep into account

when it comes to the value.

Like if this car is indeed worth in good shape,

like it says 30 grand,

then it's worth putting money into it.

Yeah, and I personally know somebody

who got a cheap V10 M5 and they did the Vanos

and they did the rod bearings,

and it's been a phenomenal car.

Let me ask you guys though,

what do you think of the styling of this generation?

I don't like it.

No.

I've never liked the Bengal butts.

I agree with you.

I don't think it's gonna age well.

I think like, I just hate those tail lights.

It kinda looks like a Hyundai, right?

Like it just looks like a Hyundai,

what is it?

Like a G80 from like the mid 2000s or 2010s.

Yeah, it's the Bengal butt.

Yeah.

I don't care for it.

People don't like that.

Interior, same thing.

It's not, it's in that generation of like 2010,

like when, what was the BMW I,

what is the refotainment system called again?

Oh, I drive.

I drive.

It just, I don't know.

It doesn't appeal to me.

It's not vintage enough

and it's not like modern enough.

And even down the road, when it does become vintage,

it's not gonna be pinnacle BMW.

Yeah, agreed.

And how does it drive?

I don't know.

I don't have a driven one,

but I imagine it says adaptive suspension.

I probably, it's not gonna feel analog, I don't think

besides the manual transmission, right?

Sure, it's a nice drive though.

Yeah.

There are SMG versions, I believe.

Those fail too.

Yeah, I imagine.

The SMG pumps, yeah.

Yeah, so, yeah, I would say no on that.

Stimmy, impile.

I agree on your take.

It's just, it's gonna, it's a risk, right?

Obviously if you let it sit and wait till values get up,

then you're like, damn, I bought that for eight grand.

But here's one.

And I put 20 grand into it.

Right.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, and then it's worth 30.

So who cares?

You broke even,

even though it jumped up like 50% in value.

And then you've had headaches the entire time you've owned it.

Yeah.

All right, 81 and 93 Dodge Ram Charger.

That one I totally understand.

So seven grand on the low end, 38 on the high end.

So good ones are going for about 18, four.

And we've talked about, I think, the K5 Blazer,

all right, Bronco.

I mean, it's a no brainer

because of the fact that it's that truck,

that two-door rugged truck, right?

That people obviously wanted back then.

That's a K5 Blazer with Ram badging.

Yeah, exactly.

And those are already all gone up.

Yeah, so I understand.

So this is like the last one, right?

To kind of, I mean, they've already started to get,

you know, a PL and like media coverage.

I think Doug DiMiro did a review on one

that was on cars and bids not too long ago.

I think they have, yeah, they have the exact same PL

as any of their competitors,

the Blazer and the Bronco.

I mean, they made those for a very long model run

so you can still get parts for them.

You know, they have the same look,

they have the same ability.

I don't see, yeah, that one doesn't surprise me

because even some of the private listings

I've seen for those lately,

like on Facebook Marketplace have been,

I see the price and I go, dang, you know, it's expensive,

but you know, maybe it's worth that.

Yeah.

What are they priced at?

So good ones are at 18.

They're saying that, compared to the Bronco,

so they chose multiple Bronco generations here from 80,

early 80s to the 71, so the ones from the early 60s,

which are obviously worth the most.

Well, that encompasses first gen and second gen Broncos.

Yeah, I would say this is mostly comparable

to second gen Broncos.

No doubt.

Yeah, definitely, you know, because.

The OJ Bronco.

The OJ Bronco was 90s, right?

Well, it started earlier.

Yeah, the second gen started in 69 or 70,

I think was the first year of the second gen Bronco.

Yeah, and then it went all the way into the 90s.

And it was just like facelifts?

Yeah, yeah, like the 80s ones

would have been like the bullnose front end

and then the OJ Bronco is like 89, 90-ish.

Yeah, because I'm pretty sure that was 94, right,

when you actually went on the chase.

I'm pretty sure that was,

I don't know if he bought a brand new,

but it was of the era, right?

It wasn't like he was driving a vintage car.

Because like, yeah, there's three generations

that are compared here, apparently.

So more or less, the first gen is the most valuable, right?

I don't think it'll ever get that value

simply because, you know, those are classic.

I mean, you look at those

and it looks completely different

than like the 80s versions.

Yeah, entirely.

But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the next one

to ride on the coattails of these

two-door rugged-looking SUVs, right,

that are pretty standard four-wheel drive, I imagine.

They even make two-wheel drive versions of these?

I don't think so,

because who would have bought a two-wheel drive version?

Maybe someone out in Southern California.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

So, all right, so let's move on to the next one,

all right, we got three more.

So another car that Josh owns,

not the exact car, right?

Because I believe this is the next gen.

95 to 98 Nissan Skyline GTR.

Yeah, so that's the R33.

33.

Yeah, 95 to 98.

So low end, 35, high end, 111,000.

Good ones, 55.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Yeah, I put that right on the money.

Yeah, I owned that car before when I lived in Tokyo

and I drove it for about five years.

Incredible car, like very reliable,

very responsive, tons of power.

And the Skyline GTR community, the vintage GTRs,

so R32s, 33s and 34s,

everybody makes fun of this particular model

because it was the heaviest version of the 32, 33 and 34.

They call it the boat,

but the weight gain is negligible.

I think it's maybe 100 pounds or something like that.

And that's why I call it the boat for 100 pounds.

I think so.

Skyline guys are weird, we're pretty weird.

And a lot of people who I've talked to

seem to like the R32 better,

but I'm a big R33 fan.

I think it just looks more muscular.

And I think that's the appeal of the R33 for me

is it just looks more muscular than the R32.

Yeah, it's got more creature comforts.

It is more comfortable.

The seats are better.

It's got butt like racing buckets, OEM.

What else did it have?

Had like a double stacked wing that was adjustable.

The later models of the R33 had the Xenon HID lights

from the factory, which was pretty cool.

Ahead of its time.

Yeah, every GTR was way ahead of its time.

Like it's got the same RB26 four wheel drive power plant.

That motor came out in 89.

And it was such a good motor

that they just rolled it over into the next second gen GTR.

And then it was such a good motor

that they rolled it over into the third gen GTR.

Oh, wow.

They're showing a chart on the difference

between the R34 and the R33, right?

Like you can see like where it popped the R34

probably right when it hit its 25 year mark, right?

And like people were all excited.

I know people were like holding onto these in Japan

like waiting to import them, right?

Just storing them away.

And then obviously they got imported

and then they dropped, right?

The R34 literally dropped to a point

where it's almost close to the R33 in value.

So it went up to 350 grand?

I mean, they're probably using-

I remember-

This is an average price.

This is probably Concord pricing.

When they first imported them,

I remember seeing them go for like crazy super car numbers

and I could not believe it.

Yeah, I remember seeing them go up to like 250 grand,

but I didn't know they went to 350.

That's probably like one car maybe.

Possibly.

I mean, I don't know where they're pulling this from,

but I think when it's not forbidding fruit anymore.

Yeah.

Like we talked about with the Alpha, right?

People want the Alpha for the opposite reason

because it's not that it's forbidding fruit.

Obviously they came to the U.S.

But it's rare.

Like no one has one and you wanna be unique

and you wanna have a car that you can share

and talk about with your friends at Cars and Coffee

because they don't know very much about it, right?

Where maybe like a 9-11,

there's not much to talk about.

They already know everything about it.

Where like when the R34 came and it was forbidden fruit,

like everyone wanted to have that car, right?

Cause they wanted to be the first.

It's like when you want a new iPhone drops,

you wanna have the first, be the first one with it.

And then it tails off

because it's not forbidden fruit anymore.

Like you know a bunch of people that have them

and it kind of just like loses all its luster.

And that's why, that's my guess on why it dropped.

It's not like people drove him and were like,

I mean, maybe partially they were like,

what the hell this isn't as good as people made it seem.

I spent 300 grand on this thing.

Right, I thought I was gonna be in the mouth of Godzilla.

Like what is this?

This is the most boring looking dash

I've ever seen in my life.

But no, like R33 is gonna ride on the coattails

cause it's the next best thing, right?

It kind of got skipped over.

That's interesting to me that the 33 and the 34

are equalizing in price.

Well, there's still a pretty far gap.

That's a big gap.

We're at, so 150, 200

and then this is at between 50 and 100.

Yeah, but we were once at 350.

The R33 was like at the chart, 50,000

and then R34 was going for 300,000.

Maybe for like two weeks when they first became legal.

Yeah.

But it's more or less the same car.

Skyline guys will get mad if they hear me say that

but the R33 and the 34 more or less the same car.

Yeah.

All right, let's move on to the 95 to 98 Golf GTI VR6.

Oh, it's an interesting one.

You know, I don't see very many of this generation

in a VR6.

I think they also had a couple different special additions

of these with the VR6.

Like I believe an anniversary in a Wolfsburg edition.

So I could, you know, I can see it.

I don't think they're gonna be crazy valuable

but I can see them going up.

People like VR6s.

Yeah.

I mean, this is the Mark III Golf, right?

So they're comparing it with the later Golf,

the Golf R32 and clearly it's starting

to go up a little bit there.

I think they wanted, I think with this list

they wanna incorporate like cars

in all different price brackets.

Yeah.

So like categories.

Like this is a little bit above the Miata

but right, it's kind of in between.

Like, but before the Z06.

Different segment.

Yeah.

Different segment, right?

But just looking at the car itself.

Like it definitely looks cool.

Like I look at this Golf and I remember

my friend had this version in not the VR6

but this Golf in high school.

And didn't they do the Harlequin Golf

in this generation as well, right?

Right.

So it has like a look that is still pretty classic,

I would say, you know, for the Golf.

Cause you look at the earlier ones

with the round headlights, right?

This still looks kind of contemporary for the age.

Yeah, I thought it was cool back in its day

but I think the idea that got people excited about this

was the big motor and a small hatchback.

Yeah.

And so that not a lot of people were doing that.

Yeah.

You know, all the hatchbacks had four cylinder motors.

And so anybody that had, you know,

the balls to put a six cylinder

into a tiny hatchback, you know, got critical acclaim.

Another thing to consider

if you're looking for a hot hatch like this,

a Volkswagen hot hatch is you can kind of price this

in between like an early R32, you know what I mean?

Like you can get the VR6

and not have to pay R32 prices, I guess.

If you're shopping VW hatchback.

Yeah.

Good point.

You get a bigger engine than a Mark IV 1.8 GTI,

you know, and probably pay about the same.

Yeah.

All right.

Last one on the list.

And it's the most expensive.

04 to 07 Porsche Carrera GT.

Otherwise known as the CGT.

Low end, 1 million, high end, 2 million.

Good ones are getting about 1.35.

That's a hell of a span.

Yeah, yeah.

It's pretty general.

It could be a million or it could be 2 million.

Right.

So this is the car that obviously

Doug Demiro talks the most about cause he owns one.

I believe first I heard it was on Jerry Seinfeld.

I think he had one, one of the shows,

I think maybe with Jay Leno.

I don't know if Jerry Seinfeld owns one,

but I remember hearing the engine sound in that car

when he was driving it and being like, wow,

like it's a very unique sound.

Yeah, it's incredible.

Yeah.

Incredible car, all analog.

It's got creature comforts in it.

You know, it's like the probably one

of the best supercars you can get

that still has no nannies.

It doesn't have traction control.

You know, it's all manual, a blast to drive,

sounds incredible, looks incredible.

I think it's a great buy if you're in that price point.

Right.

And it can only go up from here.

And it's got a bunch of attributes

that no other car has in its category,

not even in the Porsche lineup.

Yeah, it's kind of a one of one car.

Yeah, it sounds cliche,

but it truly is one of a kind car.

And that's gonna bring values

to even higher numbers than 2 million, right?

Definitely.

You think this is gonna eventually get F40 numbers

and things like that?

Yeah, it's definitely on par with an F40.

Yeah, I mean, it looks like a supercar from the back,

but from the front, it kind of just looks like...

Yeah, it doesn't look that great.

That's what people like about it, though,

who like it.

Because they like how understated it is

for the performance that it offers.

Right, I could tell, like Doug DiMiro talks

about how no one notices him when he's driving his,

and he says he likes it, right?

But at the same time...

If you know you know a car.

Yeah.

But at the same time, like he drives his Kuntasch

probably more now because he wants that attention,

because you're gonna get a bunch of attention

in the Kuntasch.

But this, it's understated a little bit,

but at the same time, you're spending a million dollars.

Who wants to drive an understated car

for over a million dollars?

True.

I heard that the shifter has that wooden top to it

to kind of help with the heat that disperses

through the transmission.

Oh, I didn't know that was why.

It kind of like parkens back to an older Porsche shift knob.

But as far as the way the cars,

like overall appeal to value,

I mean, we're not spending a million dollars on cars,

so it's hard to say.

Sure, but...

Yeah, yes, there you go.

There you go, yes, I like that.

But I can see this being bespoke enough

for it to carry that price.

No doubt.

Especially the fact that there's really not much out there

like it, right?

Like that interior, it's like a mix of like sporty

and classy, you know?

Yeah, so.

That's a great way to describe this car.

Yeah, it's probably an incredible experience to drive it.

Yeah.

So that is it with the list.

So looking at this lineup here,

let me pull it up every car on the track

that's actually a cool shot down that bend.

Yeah, that's a great shot.

That's the only time a Continental's ever been

on a racetrack or a Ram Charger.

Which one, let's say money's no option.

Which one would you want as an investment?

Well, a career GT.

As an investment?

Probably either the charger or the alpha, honestly.

The charger or the alpha, I think those are two good ones.

Well, how long are you gonna hold on to your investment?

Forever.

Oh, a career GT.

That thing's gonna go up like five, $10 million.

Oh yeah, forever, yeah.

Five years, I think the charger and the alpha

are good choices.

I think what do you guys think two years?

What would you choose?

Like the quickest jump?

Quickest return on the money.

Miata Ram Charger.

I'm going Skyline GTR and Alpha Romeo GTV.

Yeah, I agree.

I think the alpha simply because I feel like

you're seeing more and more alphas at cars and coffees.

People are starting to catch on.

The alpha's going up, quote me,

10 to $15,000 per year.

Yeah.

Well, you're keeping track cause you already.

Yeah, starting now.

Same can be said for the Skyline.

The Skyline's at an all time low right now.

You could probably pick up an R33 GTR for 35 or 40,000.

And maybe it won't go up as much as the alpha,

but at least 5,000 a year at least.

Yeah, my only worry with the R33 is like,

a lot of states are cracking down

with these license plates and registration out of state.

California is such a huge market for classic cars.

If you can't register it in California,

I know I sound like a square talking about this,

but like, with the whole Whistle and Diesel thing

with Montana and how they're starting to like

put in these driver's license cameras, right?

We're not using it in San Diego for tracking down

people that aren't registered in the car in California.

We're using it for like tracking down crimes,

like real crimes, but they'll eventually get there.

If they're starting to see

that people are doing tax evasion,

that's what they got Whistle and Diesel on,

tax evasion, right?

And they can get money from that

and obviously get people to pay all these back fees.

California will do it.

It's only a matter of time.

So, hopefully not, right?

Because obviously it's the only way

to get these Japanese cars into the California,

these cars that never came here.

I mean, we can import them legally

because they're past 25 years old,

but then we can't register them here.

It's just kind of dumb.

You wish there was some kind of legislation

that would actually fix that.

I hope that changes.

It will.

We'll fight for it.

Yeah, because I mean, how much emissions

or carbon dioxide is your little key car gonna emit?

Like, you know what I mean?

Like it's a little like 600 CC engine.

Like what are we doing?

Yeah, I know.

And then what does it cost to even get it to like,

if you even could get it to carb standard,

it's like a least over 10 grand.

Yeah, and it's not guaranteed.

Right, right.

So it's like, you're spending that money

for nothing possible.

But yeah, my rule of thumb is the alpha.

I mean, I don't know if this is gonna get like,

E30, M3 numbers or 930, 911 turbo numbers, right?

I don't think it's gonna get that far in value.

No, but it'll rise.

But it will rise, like what do they say?

A rise in tide, rises all boats, whatever.

It'll be in that category at least.

So it's got room to run.

And then I love, if I had to buy one of these

with like right, like tomorrow,

I'd probably buy the Ram Charger or the truck,

the 454.

I love that 45, I love that like menacing look

that you see, you know?

And it's so much beefier than a cyclone, you know?

Like it actually looks like a truck.

The cyclone, when you see the one that was at Radwood,

they're so like narrow.

Yeah, muscle truck.

Yeah.

So, well, that wraps up the list.

You guys got anything?

Any updates, analog and grit wise?

I know you said that you posted the purple SSR.

Yep, yep.

We got the SSR, low miles, purple, V8.

Sounds really good sounding car.

We also have a Land Cruiser 71, Land Cruiser FJ40

that had a full restoration in 2019.

Frame off, everything stripped down to bare metal.

Oh, it's that baby blue one?

Yeah, baby blue.

That's going for sale?

Yep, yep, that one's for sale.

So yeah, I would say those are our newest arrivals.

What is the asking price on the SSR?

On the SSR, 26.

26, yep.

Okay.

Yeah, that's it.

I saw the pictures you posted.

It's cool.

I like that color.

It's cool for the fact that you don't see him that often.

No.

I would never buy one, but you know.

Yeah, the SSR, when that sells,

it led us to another sale for an original 1959 Porsche 356.

Oh, wow.

Which has been in the garage.

So it's almost like a barn find for since 1985.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

That's here right now?

It's not here.

We got to sell the SSR first.

I see.

Then our reward is the original 356.

Oh, okay.

Wow.

Yeah, so visit our Instagram analog and grit marketplace

and you can see all the cars that we have for sale.

Yeah, definitely.

Always something cool.

Yep, yep.

All right guys, until next week

on the analog and grit podcast.

Appreciate you guys joining to give your two cents

on every one of these cars.

We'll revisit this list again next year

and we'll see where these cars are at.

Sounds great.

Thanks, Mike.

Yep.

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