{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"295 The Cheap Charging Update Episode","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/295-the-cheap-charging-update-episode","audioUrl":"https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9c5ea471-23fa-480e-9c10-f64aa7365b9e.mp3","description":"I wanted to revisit this topic because there’s still so much noise around the cost of charging an EV, especially if you rely on public networks.In this episode, I take a fresh look at where we are with public charging costs in the UK, what’s actually driving those prices, and whether it’s really as expensive as people think. We also dig into something I’ve been exploring recently, the idea of the “pricing hurdle” and why cheaper charging options aren’t always as simple as they seem.What You’ll Discover- Why Public Charging Feels Expensive: It’s not just electricity, it’s infrastructure, grid costs, maintenance, and everything behind the scenes that drives prices up.- The Pricing Hurdle Explained: Cheaper charging exists, but it often requires effort like apps, subscriptions, or charging at specific times.- How to Actually Reduce Your Costs: From off-peak charging to subscriptions and destination charging, there are real ways to bring costs down if you’re willing to adapt.What really stands out to me is how misleading the headline can be. Yes, public charging can be expensive, but that’s only part of the story. There are cheaper options out there, but they come with trade-offs. Time, effort, planning, or flexibility. And that’s where the real decision sits. Not just how much you pay, but what you’re willing to do to pay less.There’s also a bigger shift happening. More operators are introducing off-peak pricing and subscription models, which is starting to change the landscape. It’s not perfect yet, but it does feel like things are moving in the right direction.If you’re relying on public charging or trying to make the numbers work for an EV, this episode will help you see the full picture and make more informed choices.The EV Musings Podcast is sponsored by Zapmap, the go-to app for EV drivers, helping you find and pay for public charging with confidence.Episode produced by Arran Sheppard at Urban Podcasts: https://www.urbanpodcasts.co.uk(C) 2019-2026 Gary ComerfordSupport me: Patreon Link: http://www.patreon.com/evmusingsKo-fi Link: http://www.ko-fi.com/evmusingsThe Books:'So, you've gone electric?' on Amazon : https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Q5JVF1X'So, you've gone renewable?’ on Amazon : https://amzn.to/3LXvIckSocial Media:EVMusings: Twitter https://twitter.com/MusingsEvInstagram: @EVmusingsOctopus Energy referral code (Click this link to get started) https://share.octopus.energy/neat-star-460Upgrade to smarter EV driving with a free week's trial of Zapmap Premium, find out more here https://evmusings.com/zapmap-premiumMentioned in this episode:ZapMapDownload Zapmap and you’ll get the UK’s most comprehensive charging map in your pocket, with a range of filters so you can personalise the map to suit your specific EV model. So it’s easy to find the best charge for you, whether you’re charging on-street, en-route, or at your destination.\nYou can even see live charger availability and price information in the app, helping you choose your charger at-a-glance, and turn up with total confidence that it will work, it will be available, and it will be in your budget.\nPlus you can pay through the app, or with a tap of the Zapmap charging card, at thousands of charge points nationwide. No need to download a different app for each charging network.  You can download Zapmap for free, or check out Zapmap Premium for charging discounts, in-car compatibility, and additional filtersZapmapThe EV Musings Podcast is sponsored by Zapmap, the go-to app for EV drivers, helping you find and pay for public charging with confidence. Zapmap is free to download and use, with subscription plans for enhanced features such as using Zapmap in-car on CarPlay or Android Auto, and discounted charging across thousands of charge points.\n\nDownload the app from the Apple App Store or Google Play Store or find out more at www.zapmap.com.Zapmap EV Guide"},"annotations":[{"startTime":22.8,"endTime":141.16,"type":"concept","title":"public charging","url":"/glossary/public-charging","quote":"...we'll be looking at where the market is in terms of getting cheap public charging. ...What causes pricing for public charging to be expensive is basically two big factors.","canonicalId":"concept:public-charging","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"Public charging is charging your electric vehicle at charging stations that are available to the public (often in retail areas, highways, or dedicated charging hubs). 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They’re meant to cover costs like grid connection and the ability to supply power when many vehicles charge simultaneously.","simplifiedExplanation":"Capacity charges are extra costs tied to how much electricity the charging site can supply. If the operator has to reserve or upgrade power for future or simultaneous charging, those costs can show up in the price you pay."}},{"startTime":151.3,"endTime":155.0,"type":"term","title":"AC only installs","url":"/glossary/ac-only-installs","quote":"Which is why some of the smaller charge point operators that focus primarily on cheaper AC only installs can provide this at a lower rate.","canonicalId":"term:ac-only-installs","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.85,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“AC only installs” refers to charging setups that provide charging using AC (alternating current) power. 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If the price is per kWh, your bill goes up or down based on how much energy you pull into the battery."}},{"startTime":163.8,"endTime":168.1,"type":"term","title":"VAT","url":"/glossary/vat","quote":"There is of course the VAT aspect where public charging is subject to a 20% VAT and home charging only 5%.","canonicalId":"term:vat","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"VAT is a consumption tax added to many goods and services, including public charging. The transcript contrasts VAT on public charging (20%) versus home charging (5%), which changes the final price you pay.","simplifiedExplanation":"VAT is a tax added to the cost of charging. 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