{"version":"1.1.0","producer":"fm.getcarcurious","layer":"official","episode":{"title":"#440 - Are You Starting the Trade Conversation Too Late?","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/440-are-you-starting-the-trade-conversation-too-late","audioUrl":"https://anchor.fm/s/8164a88/podcast/play/122827635/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-6-14%2F427947168-44100-2-4d7433854fb71.mp3","description":"In this episode of the Independent Dealer Podcast, Jeff Watson and Luke Godwin are coming to you live from Denver, Colorado at the NIADA 2026 National Convention. No guest, no studio — just two guys in rocking chairs sharing what they're seeing, hearing, and thinking after a week of conversations with dealers from across the country. From AI and daily score boarding to EV velocity, subprime lending shifts, and a low-balance trade cycle that's moved way further out than most dealers realize — this one covers the themes nobody's putting in a press release.What You'll Learn:-Why \"know your numbers\" is still the dominant theme at NIADA 2026 — and how AI is changing what dealers actually do with those numbers once they have them-The scoreboarding framework both Jeff and Luke keep coming back to — and why the metric you assign an employee has to be something they can actually control-Why independents are outselling franchises on direct-to-consumer EV brands like Tesla and Rivian — and why velocity is the only strategy that works when prices fluctuate that fast-Why subprime banks are still slow to finance EVs — and why one dealer buying 300 EVs a month should absolutely be reinsuring that battery risk himself-How capital markets are quietly re-entering the subprime space — and what it means that Capital One is calling dealers who never reached out-Why the low-balance trade conversation has shifted from $2,500 to $6,500 — and why starting it at 18 to 24 months in the loan is now the number that actually works-Why Jeff is so scared of shiny objects he admits he probably misses good ones — and what finally convinced him to change his payment processorIf you're an independent dealer who couldn't make it to Denver this year — this is the closest thing to being in the room.Support the businesses that support the podcast:Buckeye Risk Services - Reinsurance and wealth strategies for independent dealers.https://theindependentdealer.com/buckeyeBlytz - BHPH payment processing with fast funding and text-to-pay.https://theindependentdealer.com/blytzpayIturan GPS - Asset protection and customer management for BHPH and retail dealers.https://theindependentdealer.com/ituranFollow & Connect:Website: www.theindependentdealer.comFacebook Group: @independentautogroupLuke Godwin: @lukegodwinJeff Watson: /sendtojeffwLike, subscribe, and share this with a dealer who needs to hear it.\n"},"annotations":[{"id":494905,"startTime":345.7,"endTime":357.6,"type":"term","title":"ED sales","quote":"[345.7s] Well, ED sales ramping up.\n[348.5s] And, you know, we've talked about ED sales.\n[350.5s] You and I talk about ED sales when it comes to Tesla's more than anything.","canonicalId":"term:ed-sales","priority":0.55,"confidence":0.45,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“ED sales” is dealer-industry shorthand for EV sales. 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