$45k Rivian Could Change Everything! New Porsche Supercar? Montana Plate Crackdown!

Hello, and welcome to this car pod.

I'm Kenan.

I'm Felipe.

I'm Doug.

And let's start with the news.

Porsche.

Now, recently, Porsche has been having a little bit of a tough time.

They reported a 5.8 billion, 5.8 billion dollars less in profit in 2025.

Not a good situation.

You know what hit me, though, about this?

Because this has been reported.

It's been a big supply.

Big news.

They reported like 5.9 billion in profit last year and two years ago.

And this year, they reported like 90 million.

Yeah.

But you know what my great friend, Manny Koshbin, once taught me?

You don't go broke making a profit.

Right.

90 million, still 90 million.

If Felipe made 90 million, you know what he'd be doing?

Probably this.

Probably still this.

I don't think anything in his life would change in any regard.

Why change a good thing?

It gets a little bit worse.

Of course, before, VW has been saying for a little while, they're going to cut 50,000

jobs that come in here.

That includes at Porsche by 2030.

So things aren't looking great at Porsche, but they have a new CEO and he has some ideas

about how Porsche can make some money.

And one of the big things is they, he said recently as quote, they are looking at sports

cars above the 9-11, which means one of these in theory.

Now of course, there are models of the 9-11 that haven't come out yet, GT2 RS, for instance.

But they're considering other models and that we kind of think means there's going to be

a hypercar.

The fellow who runs Porsche now came from McLaren, which makes me a little bit concerned.

Isn't that weird?

Like you're promoting people and hiring people who have not had success at other companies.

Like I don't understand that.

Right.

They look at the McLaren lineup and it's like, yeah.

To be fair, McLaren went from this is zero here to like here.

That's exciting.

But it was reported only a couple of years ago that they were like teetering on the edge

of bankruptcy.

You start out teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, it's growth is less teetering, it's teetering

a little less.

Well, but Porsche is not in that position.

They need someone who, they don't need like a McLaren, they need someone who like can

take a good thing.

Now, regardless.

It's a weird hire.

So they say there's going to be cars above the 9-11.

You're saying hypercar.

My personal point of view is we're going to be talking like SF-90 type stuff.

Well, to be clear, they said we're looking at models and derivatives above our current

two-door sports cars and above the Cayenne.

Yeah.

We know, we already, it's crazy that they would say that.

We already know they're going to do a three-row Cayenne.

That's like talked about.

We also kind of know they're going to do a hypercar.

It was supposed to come out along with F80 and W1, but they were going all electric

with Mission X and more or less it has leaked that they are canceling their development

of a full electric and they're instead going to go for something different.

Yeah.

And we're not exactly sure yet.

Don't forget they did recently file a patent for a W18 engine.

I'm not saying that it's going to go and it seems unlikely to me as well.

I think that what they ought to do is their time-tested strategy to take their Formula

1 engine like they did with the Carrera GT and just put it in a supercar.

Well, technically with their ties to Audi, they could put an actual Formula 1 engine

in a car for the first time.

Well, you know, the 918 had an actual Le Mans race car engine.

There's Le Mans Formula 1.

Let me do the math.

But the point is you had a race car motor, like it was real.

It did.

I mean, well, and this would have if they could build engines and the rules didn't

change, but timing didn't work out.

It's a road car engine or a road car.

Just saying.

But yes, I'm nonetheless excited.

You're live from a Formula 1 power plant.

It was derivative at best.

You know what Filippo would do if he got 90 million?

He'd buy the lot behind his house because he's worried about the lot behind his house

being developed one day.

That's right.

Not in his backyard, I'll tell you that.

But I'm supportive.

They said, as part of that same press conference, we're using the current challenges as an

opportunity to act even more decisively.

We will comprehensively reposition Porsche, make the company leaner faster, and its products

even more desirable.

That's true.

I'm glad to hear that they feel that way.

And I'm sure that they will.

And the products are still great, except for the electric kind, which is not going to sell.

But or the electric Macan, which is not currently selling.

Right.

Yes.

And the electric came in that people are infuriated about that doesn't exist yet.

And the Taycan and Panamera, which neither of them sell.

But other than that.

And really, they just need to sell cars in China, which they have failed to do the last year.

But, you know, maybe.

Well, we'll certainly see what happens.

Nonetheless, I'm excited for whatever the next Porsche hypercars.

We've been waiting a while now.

It is so weird.

Porsche is such a weird brand because they have this like capability to sell cars in the

$600 to $2 million price point.

But they also sell an SUV that is leased at like incentive teaser deals.

Like what what other company is like that?

Like it is such a weird situation.

So there probably is room for them to go in at a higher number.

I have a suspicion.

McLaren CEO comes in and says, hey, why don't you guys actually compete directly with the 750s?

Like you have your GT3 RS and your GT2 RS do compete with them.

But like at the very highest level of this existing sports car,

why don't you have a purpose built car, especially with your Porsche brand name?

McLaren has a hard time selling cars at this price point.

But Porsche wouldn't.

Yeah.

Why don't you go and do this?

Didn't Porsche have trouble selling Carrera GTs?

And 98.

It was a different market.

And 98 is short.

But the car is a very different price point.

I'm talking about like the 500 to 800,000.

Yeah, they should.

Where SF90 is.

Maybe they will.

Maybe that's what it'll be.

I think that is what it'll be.

We hope it has three pedals.

Oh my God.

Imagine if it's sorry.

I just got to say now.

It won't.

But if but.

Why do you say it won't?

They're make they're decisive now.

So if anybody would, there's three trim at the moment.

Porsche sells three trims of cars that have a manual transmission.

Yeah.

But the Carrera GT3 Touring and something else.

Yeah.

But there's no other cars in their lineup of all the cars they sell that are manual.

I know they should recognize that there's a huge case for that.

They should.

But I don't think they will.

That's being deliberately like the 911 ST went out of production yesterday afternoon

and not only did it sell out as a only manual transmission car,

but used ones are selling for double.

I agree.

So like ultimately it's a little.

I agree that they should take the message that there's strong demand.

They will.

But don't you kind of think that they won't?

I think that they want to satisfy enthusiasts.

If they're going to, you know, the Carrera GT's birth story is in a lot of ways related to the fact

that Cayenne had come out and a lot of people were discounting Porsche as a enthusiast brand.

Yeah.

And so they had to come out with something really special like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with a three row Cayenne.

And if they come out with all these electric cars, if they say, hey,

we're also going to do a true manual transmission supercar in the image of something like that

to really prove to people that even though we're also heading in this direction,

we can still head in the true Porsche.

We haven't forgotten who we are.

I hope so.

But if you want to compete on power and specs, they're already a kind of the pinnacle of

where they can go with transmissions they already have and engines.

But they prove that they don't have to.

They have to compete on his driving involvement because they're an enthusiast brand.

And that's what they capitalize on and they're doing really well with GT3.

And the fact that 911 STs are selling for 700,000 should give them a message that there are new

car buyers willing to spend that money on a special car that has a manual transmission.

This is the signal, Jerry.

This is the signal.

Porsche is a boring thing to talk about.

Let's talk about the most interesting news story of the week.

Rivian R2 pricing.

Rivian R2 pricing is finally here.

Are you ready for it, Flipper?

Do you know what it is?

I don't know what it is.

I'm very excited.

All right.

We're filming this before the embargo.

So I have to look at my embargoed information.

The standard Rivian base model, 350 horsepower Rivian, 265 miles of range.

Take a guess what that car costs.

Base model, rear wheel drive, 350 horses, 0 to 60 in 5'9".

For the R2, 60.

Because an R1 base is what, 80?

That starts at 45,000.

Wow.

Now that's not coming right away.

The standard, it's a year out.

Yeah, it's a year out.

The standard, a year and a half.

The standard model has 350 horse, 345 miles of range.

So it's a long range model.

That's 48.5.

Wow.

These are appealing prices.

350 horse and 345 miles of range.

That's what you need from a car.

45,000.

This is predestination, pre-options.

I want to be clear.

Yeah.

That's exactly, that's less than a year out.

Okay.

The premium, which is 450 horse, 0 to 60 in 4'6", 330 miles of range, starts at 54.

To me, that's the segment leader.

A 4runner TRD off-road premium starts at 56.

What does a Model Y cost?

To me, these numbers are really, really pink.

54,000 for a 450 horse, 540 pound feet, 0 to 60 in 4'6", 330 miles of range.

It checks every box and it looks like that and it drives so well.

It does.

54,000.

What does a Model Y, the rear-wheel drive basis model,

start at 40 to get to premium all-wheel drive?

You're at 49.

49.

This is within, this is going to absolutely be within Model Y territory,

except it is a much more appealing car.

It looks better.

It can do more.

Obviously, it's off-road capable and where the Y is not.

You don't have the Elon problem, which for a lot of our viewers, I know it's not a problem.

You love the man.

But for a lot of people, it is, realistically.

Obviously, it's more practical.

And then there's the performance at the top of the lineup.

650 horse, 3.6 seconds, 0 to 60.

With the launch package, that's a $58,000 car.

Now, again, all this is predestination.

Destination is $1,500, so add $1,500 all this number.

It's also interesting to compare it to regular ICE cars.

It's like, I talked about a four-runner, a Land Cruiser,

which is maybe more comparable from a luxury position standpoint.

MSRP for the 1958, which is the biggest trend.

It's 57.6.

Yeah.

So you can get the top trend.

57,600.

God, that car is so overpriced at such a time.

And the regular, the worst car on sale.

The regular, if you want the square headlights, is 64.

God.

Wow.

That's about 61 more than I'd spend.

But this, this is an appealing car.

And talk about road, compared to a Land Cruiser,

the road manners are so significantly better.

You're not stressing out that four-cylinder engine

that's barely keeping up with the car.

This is a really compelling car.

You got to admit, between 46.5 for the very base model

and the very top trim with destination is still under $60,000.

That's a 650 horse off-road SUV that does 0-60 in 3.6

with 330 miles of range.

It is a perfect all-round.

Incredibly appealing.

Well, it's really important to hit a homerun with this car.

I mean, this is what we've been waiting for, admittedly.

And I'm personally waiting for R3, because that's my thing.

But this is so compelling.

It's hard to argue with this car.

Especially, I think R3 is going to be cool.

But ultimately, this is going to be the volume car.

Absolutely, of course.

And I think it is incredible.

I think the only drawback is I really, truly believe

it will get into R1 sales.

They don't, but they're wrong.

Like, it just straight up will.

Especially because they're not visually differentiated.

But I think that it's going to be a really big hit

at those price points.

I'm really surprised at those price points, obviously.

Honestly.

And in fact, the big sellers are going

to be the standard and the premium.

The standard starts at $48,000, $49,000 predestination.

That's carefully created to make it fit right under $50,000

base before with destination, which is totally reasonable.

If their single motor, which is a standard,

standard is rear-wheel drive.

So if that is still giving you 350 horsepower.

Yeah.

Great.

That's right.

That's faster than any gas-powered competitor.

It's faster than anything like that.

Now, you probably do want all-wheel drive.

And Rivian, I think, is still going after the off-road

or at least vaguely capable.

But stepping up to the premium,

which is what I think I would do looking at these numbers,

you step up to the premium and get another 100 horsepower.

You get all-wheel drive standard.

A second is chopped off 0 to 60.

Your range is not affected at all.

And the additional cost is only $5,000.

The premium is like the one to get.

It's just starting to get a little spendy at about $56,000

before options.

But that's like the one to get.

I'm impressed by this price.

You're buying one.

Yeah, I can see it.

You want one.

You do.

I do.

I think it's an incredibly compelling offering.

It will quickly go to the top of the list of,

what do you recommend to somebody that's in that price?

Anybody who comes to me now looking for an EV,

a big look, you need an R2.

But what about, no, no, look, it's time for an R2.

You certainly don't want an Ioniq 6.

Am I right?

They're just dead.

OK, that's R2 pricing, very compelling, very appealing.

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A lot of the rest of the news is devoted to cars that are dead,

including the Audi A8, which is dead.

It surprises no one.

We have reported on this podcast that the Alexis LS died.

That was maybe six months ago.

Obviously, eight, six, eight years ago, the Jaguar XJ died.

The Acura RL died.

All of the big luxury things.

Yes, Acura RL died.

RLX.

All of the big...

I don't know, 10 years.

It's like we're seeing a pattern.

Yeah, yeah.

And I have long predicted the death of the A8.

One of the last videos of reviews I did of the A8,

I was telling you about the last generation, which it was,

but I still think the seven series is not long for this world.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw this news.

And they killed it in the fatherland, too.

So in Germany, they're no longer accepting orders.

And it's like, you just have to imagine seven isn't that far behind.

I see them a lot, though, so I don't know.

They care a little bit more about that.

BMW holds on to the heritage.

You got to assume also that seven series is still selling

relatively well enough, that...

Like it's still relatively popular.

It's justifiable for now, but its days may be no.

Man, its sales numbers are low, though.

0506, they were selling 17, 18, 16,000 units a year.

This is the United States.

These days, they are likely to crack 10.

So in a normal year, they're selling half of what they...

I'm sorry, 0708, they were selling 17, 18,000 units.

These days are likely to crack 10.

They're selling half of what they were just 15 years ago.

The writing is on the wall.

Half during the recession.

The writing is on the wall.

It's pretty clear where the future of this car is headed.

But nonetheless, rest in peace, AA.

It's a good car.

The AA was a good car.

The Lexus LS was a good car.

I don't think that any of the failure of these vehicles

have anything to do with their quality as vehicles.

I think it is purely the market segment has moved on.

People want SUVs.

I mean, you could drive around in this or a Range Rover.

You drive around in this, you look like the father of someone

who has a Range Rover, you know, or the grandfather.

I'm fine with that.

First.

So true.

Nobody wants to say...

And you know, remember they tried in this generation

to make it where you open the door and it raises up like an SUV.

So it's not so hard to get in.

Shockingly, that play didn't work.

Incredible suspension technology though.

It like predicts bumps, right?

It has a camera that's a scan.

Nobody cares about it.

And I'm sure it will be reliable in the long term.

Nobody cares about it.

I was the saddest about the Jaguar XJ

because I thought the final generation XJ

was a fantastic luxury.

Well, luckily you had like 10 years of it being out.

Yep.

Including the V8.

But this is another luxury sedan dead.

Full-sized luxury sedans.

Thankfully, Cadillac came out with one that cost $400,000.

But other than that, what's left?

The S-Class.

Just got refreshed.

That's going to stick around.

Yep.

The S-Class, the G90.

Which obviously will not see another generation.

No doubt.

The seven series, that's it.

Yep.

That's all.

That's your full-sized luxury sedan world.

It used to be that those were the top of the heap of aspirational.

I mean, obviously there's Rolls Royce and Bentley stuff,

but I'm talking about it at this price point.

There used to be the top of the heap of aspirational cars.

Like when you were a kid, if someone's dad had an S-Class,

they were the rich, like it was like,

that was like the coolest thing imaginable.

I mean, yeah, totally.

But this extrapolates to those cars,

Rolls Royce and Bentley too.

I mean, how many Cullinans and Bentaygas do you see versus?

When was the last time you saw a Series 8 Phantom?

Absolutely.

I can't remember.

Absolutely.

Totally.

Yeah.

Good feeling, but yeah.

I love my sedans, but that makes me sad.

I love sedans too, and I think that for enthusiasts,

there's still a place for sedans as performance cars.

These are certainly not enthusiast cars.

Yeah.

And it's one more look on.

And you have to assume G90 goes away,

and then you're just left with the seven series and the S-Class.

Hey, don't forget about the Panamera.

The Panamera is a hatchback.

Also, maybe combined with the Taycan.

You know, that's one of the trickiest things Porsche has ever done.

The Panamera, this whole time, it's a luxury sedan to hatchback.

They snuck in this little hatchback into the market.

Nobody knows.

Does just having a hatchback make it in a genre?

Because the 812 is a hatchback.

Yeah.

So.

The 812 and the Volkswagen Golf duke it out for compact hatchback of the year.

In my book anyway.

No, you're right.

There is the Panamera, but that's not going to be long for this role.

No.

I mean, you look at the sales.

There is talks of the next-gen Panamera.

It will be combined with the Taycan.

Of course it will.

The idea that there were two cars in that segment is so insane from the outset.

Of course that was what was going to happen.

Okay.

Interesting things.

Give us our next newsy.

Oh my God.

Did you read this?

I did.

Car and Driver, notable publication.

I'm famous.

Called me out in the review of the Honda Prelude.

They said, Internet personalities obsessed with quirks and features

have criticized the Prelude's base price.

But accounting for inflation, the 97 Prelude is actually more expensive

than today's Prelude.

That's what they said.

The thing that they're forgetting is they didn't account for any inflation

in terms of horsepower.

The current Prelude actually has the same horsepower rating as the 97 Prelude that they-

Also, it turns out that cars have gone cheaper.

It turns out if you look at all cars with all those inflation,

cars have gone truly notably cheaper.

I will say, I actually love Car and Driver, and I use Car and Driver a lot

for research, for videos that I make and all that.

Writing stuff about how the Prelude is not too expensive undermines the

credibility of the entire endeavor.

There's nobody in the world who thinks this car is reasonably priced.

And then you see this, and that's where the criticism comes.

Oh, they're getting paid by Honda.

It's like, oh yeah, probably.

How do you say they're not?

And they're sitting here defending the new Prelude and the tradition of

all the great future Preludes or past ones.

I will say this, a Car and Driver.

Let's do a little friendly comparison about sales figures.

A little wager here.

And let's see how it goes.

Let's see if this car is successful.

And I think in the end, the internet personality obsessed with quirks and

features will be right.

Flippa, you thinking about a Prelude?

No.

Huh, and why is that?

There's so many reasons.

Because first of all, the Civic Hybrid Hashbrack existence exists.

Second of all, the Accord Hybrid exists at the same price.

I have now seen one Prelude.

It wasn't on the road.

It was at a Honda dealer that I drove by.

It had been, they had like a viewing platform and it was on it.

Wow.

Trying to get people off the freeway to come.

The credit at Honda, I've seen two.

With plates.

And apparently they have a goal of selling about 4,000 this year.

And in February, they did sell like 200-ish.

300, which is like put some vaguely on track.

Well, you know, I would argue that, right?

Ultimately 300 times 12 is less than 4,000.

And that's when the car is brand new.

I said vaguely on track.

If you look at the tail of these cars, it ends up,

it doesn't usually increase.

Supply limited.

You know, when the new 400 comes out,

first month sales are on that high.

I'll tell you right now, this thing ain't supply limited.

There is not a Honda dealer in the world who doesn't have three of these,

either existing at their dealership or inbound,

sitting there thinking, how are we going to put these down?

There is not a Honda dealer in the world that isn't in their Monday morning sales meeting,

doesn't have all the sales people come together.

All right, two grand to anybody who sells the prelude this week.

Anybody who gets the prelude out the door gets two grand.

300 new onlots right now.

300.

Which is about a month.

A month's supply.

A month.

It's been out for a month.

You know, Felipe, if you had that 90 million dollars in profit,

you'd still drive right past the Honda dealership and not buy this.

Oh, yeah.

There are other Honda's I would buy.

People at 9 million can't afford to lose the depreciation that this car is going to lose.

This is the only, this is the first piece that I have seen

not that supported the prelude.

Agrees for your take, yeah.

I will say, there are second pieces that it handles great, which you also said earlier.

It totally did handle great.

It'd be nice if the rear seats matched front, but hey, that was pretty rough.

All right, move on to the wheels, move on to the wheels.

All right, I'm excited to report that earlier this week was TE37 day.

I want to give a little talk about why we're doing this new story.

TE37 is some sort of wheel in Japan.

People in the comments would be like, that's the greatest wheel.

Yes, they will.

I'm not a Japanese wheel guy, but we have a guy here in the office, Ryan Lopez.

You may remember him from the broken air conditioner incident a couple of weeks ago.

Anyway, he's obsessed with all sorts of modded Japanese cars.

And he said to me, he said, if you do the story on the TE37s being given their own holiday in Japan,

I'll do a favor for you.

And I said, great.

I said, we're low on snacks in the office.

I said, can you buy them?

He said, I won't buy them until you do the new story.

So we had no choice.

No, it's a big day in Japan.

The Japan anniversary association, which is apparently the association that makes national

holidays in Japan.

I did verify this is truly the association.

It doesn't made March 7th, starting this year.

The Volk Racing TE37 day.

It's been around for 30 years this month or this year rather, and obviously 3737.

3737.

So Volk TE37 is made by Reyes.

Explain that to me.

How is it both Volk and Reyes?

It's company.

So this would be like a General Motors Cadillac CT5.

Which, by the way, every General Motors car said General Motors.

It attracts.

Okay.

So March 7th, great day in Japan.

Love our TE37s.

Fantastic wheels.

That enough to, is that enough to get the snacks in the office?

Got it.

Okay.

Move on.

Go back and push your camera.

Until you saw those pictures, would you have known what a TE37 is?

Yeah, but that's the only wheel I can identify that isn't OE.

No.

I can identify every OE wheel and one aftermarket wheel.

Oh, and the Ronald Teddy Bears, of course.

Now, he also will use TE37 as like a cover all for any aftermarket wheel if it's just, wow,

TE37s.

I mean, talking about Garza Gavi, someone's got aftermarket wheels.

I'm like, look at this thing on TE37s.

No, great day in Japan to commemorate the very special TE37, which is, of course,

on many four lug vehicles, including Ryan's Zesty Drift Car, which by the way,

has functional air conditioning.

All right, move on to the next news story.

There was a report in New York Times.

This is one of those news articles I hate.

New York Times reporting that California is cracking down on Montana people.

I don't hate it because I have any cars registered in Montana.

In fact, I don't have it for a long time.

I hate it because everyone in my life has sent me this news article.

So this all came from the state attorney general, whatever, put up a Facebook post

and an Instagram post about this.

And all the pictures in that article came from that Instagram post.

California, a lot of states have started to crack down.

In fact, California is not the strictest state that is cracking down on this.

Every time I read an article about California's enforcement measures,

I'm astonished at how lax they are.

They're like, we think $20 million is uncaptured sales tax.

I'm like, 10 cars, maybe.

What happened?

They're apparently cracking down.

They're starting to go after dealers.

So one of the interesting things that California has done to try to curb this happening

is that if a car in California is sold now to an out-of-state business,

you have to submit a driver's license.

Even though a business is buying it,

some human being has to submit a driver's license to California DMV,

taking ownership of the car.

Now, if you buy the car and you live in North Carolina

and you ship the car to North Carolina as an out-of-state business

and you provide a North Carolina DL, California's not going to care anymore.

But if you buy the car as a California

and you submit a California driver's license

and you register it to an out-of-state Montana business,

they're going to be knocking on your door as they should.

So last week, or they announced last week that they charged 14 people

with felony tax evasion and how many dollars in sales tax?

Specifically though, the article was highlighting

that they had found these people through the dealerships.

$2.3 million in sales tax revenue.

Yeah. The dealerships who are now providing this form,

the dealerships are now required to provide this form

anytime a car is sold to an out-of-state business.

And so it's gotten a little bit harder to title a car in Montana

if you're a California resident or a California driver's license

unless you play a little fast and loose with things.

It's such an obvious spot for enforcement.

Yeah.

Right. It's so visible.

Right.

It's so obvious in so many cases.

Right.

People brag about it constantly.

Totally.

Some of the convictions came from just text back and forth.

Well, that was during discovery.

They didn't get those.

Obviously, it helped with the conviction.

It was during discovery that there was just text back and forth.

Oh my God, I saved so much money.

Yeah.

But I have titling my car in Montana.

Right.

So maybe don't brag about it.

Kenan, what are you going to do now?

You can't do Montana.

I have always registered my cars in the state of California.

I paid sales tax on them all proudly.

So this sounds like a problem for other people.

I agree. Now the article, me too, by the way,

Okla. Now, Okla is what I say when I'm being serious.

We should start saying Montana.

We should not.

No, that's a few being disingenuous.

The article did say that they're going to crack down

on the other four no sales tax states,

which are or specifically start giving more scrutiny to cars

in California registered in those days,

which are Oregon, Delaware, New Hampshire, and Alaska.

And New Hampshire is probably not a big one

because they have a physical inspection.

But I mean, I don't see cars running around with Delaware plates.

We see some Alaska's.

But that's mostly military.

But Oregon is tough because it borders.

Like I see cars from Oregon all the time.

But if I if it's February,

I would want to get out of Oregon right now, too.

The benefit of Montana is that you can create an LC

incredibly easily. The car never needs to be there.

There's a bunch of benefits that I think make Montana

a little unique.

Yeah. Alaska is apparently the same way.

And Alaska.

Really?

Yeah. Yeah. People do Alaska now.

Down in San Diego, you can get away with that

because every service member has.

It's tough if you're CHP to pull people over for this.

Because at 80 percent of the time,

someone's going to pull out an Oregon driver's license

going with their Oregon license plate

and be like, why are you hassling?

Right.

It's not a LaFerrari.

It might be a little harder to talk about that, guys.

It doesn't have an Oregon or a Montana license plate.

Yeah, baby.

That might be true.

By the way, I took this photo and I took it in California.

And the reason I took it is because that Hyundai Accent

was trying to parallel park in front of this LaFerrari.

And it was the most stressful experience of my entire life

just watching it happen.

This is probably eight years ago at Monterey Car Week.

Okay. What's our next news story?

Oh, Filippo.

So there was a report out this week about,

by like a transportation alternatives organization,

about the people that got the most speed camera tickets

in New York state.

Yep.

And I want you to just kind of give me a guess of it.

In 2025, how much, how many tickets a single car received

that was the most in this case school zone speeding tickets?

Well, I mean, in Manhattan, you get them, I don't know, 40, 50.

I will say number one was 100 percent in Brooklyn.

Yeah. I'm not surprised.

The person's commuting to work every day,

doesn't know the cameras there and ignores the tickets

because they're registered out of state.

I, uh, Honda Accent, some popular car.

Okay. It was 259 tickets to 2023 Audi A6.

By the way, the same car was number one in 2024 as well.

Small credit to them.

They do pay their entire fines, which were $64,000 last year.

You're kidding.

So they paid 64 grand.

Yeah. They actually paid it, which is rare, by the way.

Most of these pay payments that day.

In New York state, you can get the speed and camera tickets.

They don't connect in any way to your registration to your license.

So it's not points on your license. It's just cash.

There are some interesting ones here.

Is it tarot? No, because it's the same place every day.

It's a little weird.

Is it if they paid?

They paid. Number two was a license.

And then kept speeding.

Yup. For two years in a row.

They used to get us a tax.

Yeah.

But a crazy high one.

You drive an A6.

You could be in an A8 with a car rising to green.

It costs more in tickets than the whole car did at that point, I'm sure.

There are some interesting ones.

In some cases, there was a GLE that had 177 tickets all in a two-month period.

Wow.

Not before, not since, which is fascinating.

But number one, two years in a row is that.

Somebody also got 134 tickets totaling $20,000 in a 2024 BMW 760i, which is legit.

That's not a V12.

But it's still a top.

Europeans watching this to be like, I don't understand.

This is insane.

Right?

These people are arrested.

You got to wonder.

I mean, like in the United States, we have an unusual attitude towards speed cameras.

United States gets made fun of sometimes for having low speed limits.

However, enforcement is much less significant than in almost every other developed country.

And there are no speed cameras in the United States.

And the few places that have implemented speed cameras have done it in very small numbers.

Only in school zones and construction zones, primarily some stop lights.

And even then, they run into a problem because you have the right to confront your accuser

in the United States that confuses a camera.

The government's always afraid of litigating some of these cases.

And so they're actually more willing to just be like, all right, well, they didn't pay.

We're not going to go after them.

We can't do much.

They can't prove who's behind the wheel.

You know, in Germany, if you get a speeding camera ticket,

they say we don't care who's behind the wheel.

You're paying this and you're responsible.

But in the States, it's very different.

Getting 259 school zones speeding camera tickets at some point does become a safety hazard.

It's wild that the person speeds in schools on every day.

Send a police officer out there to start writing them actual tickets

that will actually affect their driving record.

This report says that there's 2.5 million people that live within a five-minute walk

of the intersections where the 10 super speeders got most of their tickets.

It's really not all that hard.

I know NYPD doesn't do traffic enforcement, but like,

you could slip this one in the bud pretty quick.

Three schools own speeding tickets to a person.

Probably you lose your license, I assume, especially in a short period of time.

Two or three.

Yeah, but they don't do that.

That's not how things work in New York.

The traffic enforcement is a political thing that is talked about in New York City,

but it is not something that's actually enforced.

If you see a black 223 out of A6 and you live in Brooklyn,

they'd be quite careful.

What's the plate?

Did they give the plate?

They do give the plate.

What is it?

LCM 8254.

Damn.

He should get a birthplace with baseball plates.

Everyone in New York should.

2017 IS is number two.

RAM 1500.

2017 Lexus IS?

RAM 1500.

Number three.

Geolese number four.

What's the plate on the RAM?

Brothers.

LCK 775.

Oh, so it's a regular person.

A regular person.

Of course it's a regular person.

Well, I don't know.

I could see these tickets being racked up by delivery companies or taxis that are driving

massive miles and the company just pays them as a consequence.

They would find consequence for that.

There's another RAM 1500 on the list as well.

Anna Mercedes A-Class.

Really?

An A-Class today.

These are all cars where I wouldn't assume that people would care,

so I guess it makes sense.

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Okay, next news story, please.

Very interesting, very interesting.

Ah, another car that's dead.

The Infiniti J30.

Nice.

The Ioniq 6 is dead, except for the Ioniq 6N,

which will be sold in 2026.

Because they came out with it yesterday.

Yeah, they were like, came out with a refresh in 2025.

What were they thinking of this car?

So most Hyundai EVs, including the Ioniq 5, are built in the US.

The Ioniq 6 is built in South Korea.

Okay, so there was a tariff issue.

In addition to it being a sedan,

I mean, it was kind of doomed from day one

because it looked like the Infiniti J30, and it was electric.

It's a cool looking sedan, but it's a weird looking sedan.

I don't think you'd ever like the Infiniti J30.

I don't love the Infiniti J30.

Really, it's a river drive.

Okay.

You don't like this car?

I said I don't love it.

It's not.

It's particular.

Well, look at that.

And then I agree that the Ioniq 6 is similar.

So yeah, it wasn't selling that well

relative to other Hyundai EVs,

and cost 25% more to Hyundai because of the tariffs.

Makes out to the Ioniq 6N,

I think is small enough production numbers.

That they're willing to eat that.

And plus, it literally just came out.

They should at least give it a shot.

Unlike the Infiniti who only gave us

four short years with the J30.

You can only take the J30 to your golf course

for a short, limited time, and then it was stolen from us.

Sadly.

But goodbye.

You remember this car at all?

You ever seen one of these?

No.

No, I would ignore.

I try to ignore these, but...

They look kind of cool.

I don't think so.

I don't hate how they look either.

I think they look like a beetle.

Like a lot of folks, I can be like an actual,

like grotesque, like call the exterminator a beetle.

I agree with both of you.

I think it looks like a bug and is weird,

but at the same time, I'm sort of drawn to it.

This is one of those cars that I wish I would own

if I wasn't into cars.

I wanted to...

I see what you're saying.

I wanted to like this, but I just can't, and I've tried.

Also, it came out at the same time as the Ioniq 5.

It sold alongside the Ioniq 5.

The Ioniq 5 is more practical,

and it's the form factor that people want.

Credit to Hyundai, though,

for coming out with both and giving it a shot.

I mean, I think a lot of...

Everybody else just came out with an SUV.

A Tesla, I guess, did both, obviously,

but most other people just did the SUV thing.

And we got this for a little while,

and we got reminded about the J30,

and now it's gone, gone, gone.

Except for the N, which is cool.

Do you think I should review one?

Does it have the same...

No one's going to buy it as the problem.

Does it have the same fake shifting?

I wouldn't mind reviewing one then.

Does it have a big wing?

It looks like it does.

It looks like it has a massive wing.

You know, I got on the freeway the other day

in something...

I was driving something cool,

and there was an Hyundai N.

I either a five or a six up ahead of me there.

Couldn't tell.

There's almost certainly a five.

It does have a big wing,

and it has like cool body treatment, actually.

Cool body treatment.

Yeah.

So the question is, how do you create...

How do you take this beetle-looking car

and turn it into a performance-looking car?

We're about to find out.

So that's a six N.

Six N, yeah.

It doesn't look that performancey.

Huh.

That looks like a rendering.

No, that's what it kind of looks like.

That's not it.

I think you have to put a space between six and N.

It doesn't really matter.

The point is...

It's all...

Oh, there we go.

There.

Look at that.

Yeah.

Hey, you know what, Ken,

let's go power sliding one of these around

wherever that is in Chuck Walla.

That's Chuck Walla for sure.

You think there's Chuck Walla?

There's Joshua trees at Chuck Walla?

You think so?

Maybe.

Maybe in a couple of those corners.

Maybe they're fake.

There was a facelift last year, obviously.

Nobody cared.

Maybe.

What else we got in terms of news stories?

Anything else?

Oh, yeah.

Yes, of course.

The Mercedes VLE.

The VLE.

Because they're their new luxury electric van

that's obviously made for like limo companies and fleets.

But we'll probably...

We'll be sold to private people.

Full electric?

Yeah.

It's coming to the US.

We don't have range numbers yet,

but their big focus is on screens.

There's like a huge screen on the interior

as with every new Mercedes product.

Yep.

There's a huge rear compartment screen.

And it's a new van.

The Metrus obviously was a beloved, well-reviewed,

well-regarded minivan.

And if you haven't gone to see Doug's review,

you should because he really expands on why it's so good.

The VLE will, I'm sure, be a success.

You think it'll be a success?

Absolutely not.

It will do well.

370 miles of EPA range.

370.

It will do well with...

They have two batteries,

so the base trim is a smaller battery.

Can I ask you a question?

It will do well with like the fleets

that want a small luxury minivan.

You often talk about how you wish there were electric vans,

plug-in vans, and luxury vans.

Why doesn't Lexus make a van?

Why is it...

Folks, this is it.

Now, is there only going to be like an executive transport version

or is there going to be like a car seat

capable?

I think there's going to be a regular version.

We are only getting the long wheelbase version.

We don't want the shorty.

We don't need the shorty.

The St. Theoddy Buzz.

We don't need the shorty.

So, more to come,

but it is exciting that it's coming

because I think it is a niche.

I mean, you saw people converting

the Metrus into the Metrus MiBoc

to have a luxurious people carrier limo situation.

This is a good contender for that, too.

Okay.

I kind of like the W123-inspired,

like, grillin' stuff on the front.

I kind of like that.

Yeah, W126...

It is W.

I completely agree with that.

It looks like an old, high-grill, low-grill Mercedes.

I'm interested in this.

I'm interested in this from the perspective

of someone who wants a minivan.

Do you think that this will replace

my desire to have a Toyota Sienna?

No.

Because you think it's going to be

like very commercial van.

In Europe, it will certainly be a family van, too.

And I'm sure they'll come out with something like that.

What makes Europeans different from me?

They have different car buying preferences.

Like what?

They don't buy a Toyota Sequoia for one.

You know, I saw a Sequoia.

Last time I was in Italy, I saw a Sequoia TRD Pro

on the street.

I got a picture of it.

Really?

What was the Sequoia, Swiss?

No, it was Italian flights,

and it was the V8 one, the old body.

It was green.

I'll send you the picture.

I'll give it to you.

I actually distinctly remember it,

and it was quite a moment for me.

This might be something that is vaguely appealing.

I worry that it won't be as...

I think it's something that they want.

Well, I can't wait to see the price point.

I personally am interested in this electric van.

I'll tell you what, it's only been good news stories this week.

A8's gone.

Didn't like it anyway.

Ioniq 6's gone.

We already heard that story with the J30.

But now, we got an electric minivan.

Filippo, there's...

And California's cracking down on the losers

who try to cheat us all.

Right.

Everything is coming up Filippo.

Yep.

All right, next news story.

And that's the end of it.

That's the end.

Well, sorry, Filippo.

It's all over for you.

I don't want to talk about Stalantis.

Filippo wanted to also talk about some van that...

Oh, I do want to talk about the Ram Van, but...

We're not talking about that.

But that's not the Stalantis story of the dead.

Okay, so tell us the Stalantis story.

Hiring engineers...

I want us to share a quick headline.

Yep.

The new folks at Stalantis, the new CEO,

recognize that they've had some quality issues

and hiring 2,000 engineers to fix their quality issues.

Now, some feel that if you take pride in your work,

the quality should be good.

So, in fact, they need 2,000 people to go...

Their framing for this is actually somewhat fair,

which is the companies that have the best quality reputations

are the companies that most iterate instead of innovate.

So, basically, the argument is like,

Toyota uses the same powertrains for decades and decades and decades.

One problem, though, that I have

is that Chrysler doesn't do either.

It was good framing.

I didn't say it was correct.

I totally agree with that point.

I think about this a lot.

It is kind of amazing to me sometimes,

though, I get in Toyota some of the features they still don't have,

because they don't feel that they're ready yet.

And they care about the quality.

They use the same chassis.

They use the same engine for a long, long time.

I would like to see Chrysler step into the innovation realm.

Therefore.

Oh, yeah.

No, that seems unlikely.

Okay.

Well, then I would at least like them to be able to create cars

that aren't lemon-lawed by-backed.

That is their hope, too.

2,000 engineers so that Ram 1500s don't get lemon-lawed by-backed.

And this might not work, to be clear.

This might help me in the future if I need more.

Let's just hire more people.

Just throw people in money.

Let me ask you a question.

It also assumes that they hire the best people, I don't know.

Which you assume they don't.

Let me ask you a question.

If you're Chrysler or whoever it is.

By the way, Atlantis isn't just Chrysler.

They have many brands, but yeah.

That's another problem.

They have so many brands.

Do you think that spinning off Ram into its own brand was really stupid?

It was a tough move, especially when Dodge sells a single vehicle.

If you're Chrysler, why do you think that 2,000 additional people

is going to be the thing that solves the problem?

Don't you think like, don't you think like, call it like...

Because some consultant McKenzie told them it's going to fix everything.

There's a good rush, right?

They need to do a lot more testing,

basically is what they're saying, right?

They need to go a lot further on their infotainment

and electronic system testing.

They need to just do more testing in general,

and that's what the focus is.

It just seems like a lot.

It just seems like a lot of people for something that should be done.

Also, I'm excited to talk about, I don't know,

two years on this podcast about them laying off, I don't know.

Somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 engineers.

Something in that.

God, that's truer than I can even begin to explain.

Can I ask you a question?

Can you name even 10 of Solentice's brands?

Are you kidding?

Do they have 14?

I can literally name all of them.

They have 14, please go ahead.

Chrysler, Ram, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Dodge.

Yeah.

Okay, so I'm already halfway there.

SRT, not a standalone brand.

There was a time.

Launcha.

Which Italian ones have I done?

Have I said Fiat?

You said Fiat.

And Alpha.

Eagle.

Do you think guess?

The rest will come naturally once you remember what I thought.

Hey, I got eight.

I'm doing pretty good.

Can you get two more?

Yeah.

There are 14.

Can you get two more?

Yeah, I can get two more.

Opal.

Yeah.

And Holden.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, it's not on this list, but yeah.

Vauxhall.

Yeah, if we're counting that in Opal.

Do they even still sell cars under those brands in Europe?

Apparently.

What are the other four?

A bar that you missed.

Oh, God, Jesus.

That is exactly the kind of thing.

I knew he was going to say that.

I am so done with you.

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Okay, tell us about Modo.

Yes, and I know you guys talked about it a bit last week,

but I was at Modo for the entirety of the event,

and I got to experience all of it.

Tell us about the flood.

Everybody wants to know about the flood.

The flood was shocking.

Now, we knew it was going to rain.

Everybody knew it, and it sprinkled the day before.

It wasn't a big deal, actually.

It got some cool pictures.

It was kind of nice, actually.

It was sunny in the morning, spring to the afternoon.

The storm that came through on Sunday came out of nowhere.

The skies got really dark, and we were all walking around.

And my friends and I had gotten there a little bit late,

and we wanted to see everything before the rain came down,

but it was clear that wasn't going to happen.

So we went under what was the auction tent,

which is then the award ceremony tent.

It could hold about 400 people, I think.

It was huge.

And then the heavens opened, and it was not only the rain,

it was the wind.

The wind was really bad, and lightning, actually,

I was told, struck a golf cart, and was like,

so they were like, we can't have people

can't be hanging out here.

So they told us all, and these people are dressed nicely,

and all these things are like,

you have to go inside the Biltmore.

And I was like, oh my God.

How far was the way of the Biltmore?

Biltmore must have been, I don't know, 200 yards, 300 yards.

I mean, enough that you're going to get wet.

And I was like, okay, I'm going to wait

and be the last person out here,

and just let the exodus of people go.

But then people were sprinting,

and my friends and I all got separated,

but I just drenched, just absolutely drenched.

I was sprinting at one point.

Were we the last person out?

Close.

I waited as long as I could.

But the rain was coming down so hard

that even like the steps to go up to the Biltmore

was like running up a fountain,

because it was just like cascading down.

I got inside and just absolutely had the toe sucked.

But then my friend Ryan had a stroke of genius.

He decided that he was like, well, I need towels.

Where are our towels?

He was like, well, it's probably the fitness center.

So he went down to the fitness center.

Nobody there.

And he texted us all, and we eventually caught up.

They had a dry sauna.

They had hair dryers.

So we all got perfectly dry walking around

and just waiting for the rain to stop.

Now the rain did stop, and we were like,

we have to go out right now.

I want to see the carnage out there.

I want to see what happened.

And it was just immediate.

They were areas just huge flooding.

And like immediately I started thinking,

it's like, there's a McLean F1 here.

Where's the McLean F1?

I saw Tyler's car.

But Tyler's car was up on like a plinth.

You know, the three of us all was fine.

German car can take it.

I went down the hill and immediately I come over the hill.

There's a 250 short wheelbase backing up out of the mud.

There's an F40 in the water.

There's a 19.

When in the day did this happen?

This was like, I think about one PM.

Like the event was ending anyway?

The event was supposed to end, I think at three or four.

Had all the awards been already given out?

No, people didn't care at that point.

Some people had gotten their awards.

I think Ed was supposed to get an award in his Diablo SV.

But anyway, I come over this hill and like,

there's the F1 in water.

And like there's a 675 LT like up to the door cells.

Testarosa completely surrounded the Yesco.

Like all of these cars that you saw, like images of it,

it was like, and there's nobody around them.

And it was like, this is a, it was like something out of like,

you know, it was Tom Hartley.

He was the one who takes pictures of the cars on the water.

That's what it looked like.

But it was just chaos.

But I will say the cars that got the,

you pointed out that some cars were open topped.

They tried to put plastic over a lot of them,

but the wind was so severe,

ripped it off of a lot of cars.

There wasn't enough footage of this.

Like there, people ran inside.

No one, it would have been cool to stay out.

Cause I didn't see any pictures or video of open top cars

get taking on water.

The only thing I've seen is I saw somebody

with like a copper, a bucket,

taking water out of a McLaren Elva,

the interior of a McLaren Elva.

To be clear, they were encouraging us to go inside

and it was dangerous to be outside.

The lightning, the lightning in an open field, not.

There's that golf cart video

where they're driving the golf cart like, get out of here.

And, and like a part of a tent like collapses.

My friends were right there.

Like they got separated and went to that tent

and I have footage of them like looking around.

It collapsed like right next to a singer in 9 11.

It looked like like it was.

Well, and there was a one-off Ferrari

that it was right there.

And it was just like, it was,

I've never witnessed anything like it.

Now that's to say, a lot of people are focusing

on the negatives.

And I actually have a video that's coming out,

the thoughts on Mota, like to talk about this.

But the event, the rest of the event was awesome.

It was so much fun and it was great.

And I've been told that like this event

is going to continue to go forward.

And I really hope so.

Cause I know everybody was upset like about the rain.

I'm sure there are things going on.

I am sure some owners were not pleased, but I wasn't upset.

I looked at all of those Instagram videos

and I was so excited.

It was like, this is a car event I'll remember.

No one will remember the quail event

where I just showed my Kuntash along with four others,

but everyone's going to remember the Mota

where that guy was digging his,

his interior of his Elva.

Well, yeah, like we had to,

we watched this like really rich guy roll up his pants

and take off his shoes and wade out to his, yes.

I mean, this poor guy in the tester,

I was like, I'm stalling it.

I mean, it was just like,

I've just never witnessed anything like it

at all the car events I've been to.

It was also a reminder of why like it's Florida.

It's Florida.

That's the thing that surprised me.

Like I was watching that video and I was thinking to myself,

this is a fairly typical afternoon rainstorm in Florida.

Does it happen almost every day?

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised

that this hasn't been a situation before.

Yeah, the wind was a surprise.

40 to 50 mile an hour gust is a lot.

The wind seemed like an unusual.

But of course it's on a golf course.

There are no trees really to slow it down.

So it's like, but I think there are definitely learnings

that the event organizers will take away from giant.

I saw John Tamarin about 20 seconds before they told us

they had to leave the tent.

And I didn't get to talk to him

because he was on the phone.

Was he like the organizer of it or something?

He's involved with it.

Let me ask you this question.

And I don't mean to throw shade on the McLaren Elva.

All of you McLaren Elvaners watching,

do you think that the rain is forecast

and you could put some covering on,

but you have a McLaren Elva

and you think to yourself, this is my chance.

Hold on a second.

Where's the lowest point I could move this to?

I might finally be able to get out of this car

when not lose $2 million.

It's insured for what I paid.

Unfortunately, it's only worth a third of what I paid.

This is my chance to get out of a McLaren Elva.

In which case, I wouldn't have attempted

to take the water out of it.

It would have left it under there to stew with the electronics.

Well, maybe he made sure that that video got around

so that it could be seen as he was.

I tried.

I tried so hard.

I'm so sorry.

This is my dream car.

Insurer, I'm so sorry.

I love this car so much.

That's why I drove it six miles total.

It was such a usable car.

I wasn't upset that I paid two and a half million

and it's currently worth $375,000.

It didn't bother me at all,

but unfortunately, I do think it is totaled.

Yeah.

So sorry.

Yeah, maybe.

But still, it was such a fun event

and my friends and I all had a great time

and I suspect we'll go back next year.

We'll see what the weather does.

What other parts of the event are there?

There's other stuff.

Yeah, so there's the auction preview before arms.

Sotheby says an auction there.

And that's a lot of,

it was always fun to go

because you can go check out the car.

It's cool.

But then.

It's a competitor to cars and bits.

It's a competitive, we don't discuss.

Unnamed auction company.

Unnamed auction company, yes.

Unnamed auction company that sells,

you have a lot of Ferraris and cool stuff.

Actually, there was a section that had all of our cars.

Had a 355, like I had a Carrera GT,

a Kuntosh, SLR, like the cars.

No Carrera 4S.

Did it have a 2014 Mercedes-Benz E350 station wagon?

No, and it didn't have a Targa.

The rare, the rarest,

you get to hold your head high.

No Targa.

I'm glad you went, I'm glad you detailed them.

I'm glad you went, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I am jealous that you got to experience

what I think will go down as like the car event of the year

because of this ridiculous race.

I tend to agree.

I think that anybody who was there

will remember this one for a long time.

Were you there during the rain?

This is going to be our calling car.

Right, like Amelia goes on the next week

and it looked like it was great

and it would look like it was fine and successful, but...

I've been rained out of that event too.

Oh really? Is that right?

The last two years, in a row,

they had to move the event from Saturday to Sunday

because of the rain.

Yeah, they've moved it.

And also, I've gone out and they've had the show

and it comes down.

And like, it is just amazing to see 250 GTO

just getting rained on like a normal,

I know they're just cars,

but it's like these cars are like,

people touch them with white gloves.

You would never take an art piece or something.

And then to see them drive around after,

one last point on this, I will say,

the coolest cars to see driver,

the cars that made the most sense

had no problems pre-war cars

because they were designed to be driven on roads

that didn't exist by just mud.

They're like right at home.

That's a great point.

You know what else didn't have problems?

The Carrera GTs.

Certainly the 959s.

Yeah. Oh, 959s definitely.

Check it out when you're all set.

But I did have a last point on this.

I had a lot of fun.

So many people came up and said hello

and a lot of people were very kind about the podcast,

which is so great.

I'm so grateful for it.

So it's very humbling whenever someone does that.

Why is it that so many people come up to us

and tell us they listen to our podcast?

It's unbelievable.

Because everybody does.

Hundreds of thousands.

Folks, you're listening to this?

How humbling.

It is.

The number of people come up to me and say,

I used to watch your videos,

but I love your podcast.

I'm like, yeah, I don't blame you.

But I was very humbled by it

and just had a wonderful time.

And Jimmy Posse says hello.

Got to talk to him a little.

Oh, talking to Jimmy.

Yeah, got to see everybody.

It's everybody was there.

So it was who's everybody.

Did you talk to Tyler was there?

April was there.

Did you talk to Leto?

Yeah, he wasn't there.

He doesn't live California.

And you know what?

Do you blame him?

You know, but he'll I guarantee he'll be out there.

And though he's got, but he's got to go see Donald.

Yeah, plus he's got to live there.

I was born to be clear.

I want to talk about the SL 65.

Yes, SL 65 is currently for sales live right now.

It's the end of the cars and the bids.

A very brief era.

Yes, an era nonetheless.

It was.

Now, do you have a question you want to ask?

No, I just, and I don't even want to gloat.

I don't even want to gloat.

Hey, you said Valentine's Day.

What is today?

Not Valentine's Day.

Yeah, but part of that is because my own delay

in getting the video up.

I think you would have been ready on Valentine's Day.

I would have been ready to have the car

for another month, I think.

But I did a lot of what I wanted to do at the SL 65.

The whole reason I'm getting rid of it is that

although the car is very me and I love it,

it's just the secondary car should have a manual.

It just has to.

You, by the way, I may have said Valentine's Day,

but you said moderate car, as I recall.

Well, you know, we can't all be,

we're not both not right.

Well, you know, we both missed.

I have impressed that you did 3,000 miles.

But by different amounts.

Yeah.

I did quite a few miles in the car.

Yeah, how many miles did you do?

It's actually a little bit more than that,

I actually have to correct that.

I think it's a 1,500 more than that.

So about 4,500 miles in the car.

I mean, that's pretty good.

Getting, you know, any enthusiasts who can get 5,000,

I think that it takes about that many miles

to really get the feel for a car.

And I think you did 4,500 miles in a car.

I do.

You had it.

You owned it.

Like you had that experience.

For a couple of weeks, I drove it every single day

and didn't drive the M5 at all.

But yeah, so I think I got the experience

of the engines and masterpieces.

I did a video of this live on this online YouTube channel

now that kind of talks briefly a little bit more

about the ownership experience.

But, you know, I just really, I just, that engine,

I genuinely think that is one of the best V12s ever made.

I agree.

Top five.

It is a wonderful powertrain.

And you got to experience it for, I mean, 4500 miles.

Nick can't go more than 60, 70 miles

without stalling a car.

That's true, or money shifting it.

Which you know it's good thing is SLR is automatic.

There's another video I have coming out on Tuesday,

Nick and I traded a car.

We did SLR versus SL65, which is an interesting video.

It's kind of long, but it comes out on Tuesday

and you can go check that on my YouTube channel.

It's a little out of sequence, but I wanted to know.

And we had a lot of fun.

But you didn't drag race them in the end.

Didn't drag race them in the end.

I got, I've been trying to do this thing

this year where I trust my gut for feelings.

And I just had a feeling it's like,

I should, we shouldn't do this.

And Nick was, Nick got a little squeamish about it too.

And I actually think he was kind of right.

Let me tell you this, giving Nick your keys is risky

because of that money shift with the TTRS.

Luckily, no third pedal.

But don't you think Nick could still find a way?

Like shift into reverse on the freeway.

You know what I'd be like?

I just wanted to see if it could.

Not to spoil anything.

But I also did a video recently where I let my friends drive

my SL65 and a lot of them went full throttle

but approached it, tipped it gently.

Not Nick.

Nick just goes.

Well, he feels the tires.

Yeah, he is used to it.

He knows what he's doing.

And then he money shifts him.

Yeah, but couldn't do it with this car.

But yes, the SL65 will go away

and then we'll begin the hunt for the next car.

We'll begin the hunt for the next car, which is?

I still want a snake.

I want a Viper.

I want a Viper for you.

We have this 2015 Viper over here.

That's a little out of my price range, admittedly.

And you know what?

It's not better enough to just,

I think that the sweet spot of a Viper

still is a good Viper one or two.

They never refined it so much

that I don't still want the original cars.

I drove that car thinking it was gonna be

this refined luxury experience,

which is how they pitched it at the time.

Like, oh, we finally tamed.

Well, it still drives like a Viper,

except that one's 120 grand.

Or you can get a 95 and you pay four.

And like the fifth gen looks cool,

but the first gen is cooler still.

It's just so awesome.

The fifth gen is definitely the best looking,

but yes, I agree.

The first gen is like cooler.

It's like, it's more extreme.

It's just like, well, maybe we're not with the aero,

extreme aero versions of that car.

But no, I just want a Viper.

Many years ago, I owned a blue, white 97, GTS.

And Filippo drove the car many times

because Doug refused to.

He hated it.

He was like, nah.

Here's an interesting story for you actually.

I got a message a couple of weeks ago.

The fellow who bought that car,

I sold that car over on Bring the Trailer

because it was before we existed.

Now I know that Cars and Bids is the best platform

to sell your enthusiast's car.

Get the most money for your enthusiast's car.

Cars and what is, is that about?

That's an ad integration.

I could have done it without the tone, but yeah.

Okay.

Get the most money of your car.

Damn it.

Cars and Bids.

That's the place.

Anyway, so I sold that car to a guy in New Jersey

and he contacted, he bought a car on Cars and Bids.

Oh, nice.

And during the buying process,

he told our employee that he was working with,

he said, our team member, I'm so sorry.

He told our team member, he said,

oh, it's so cool that you're on a team.

But he also said, hey, I still have Doug's Viper.

He said, does he want it back?

I'd sell it back to him.

And he's only apparently done like 500 miles

in the 10 years since I sold it to him.

Sounds like a Viper.

I remember we did that transaction

when I sold him the Viper at the Bank of America

in South Philly.

And they wouldn't let him use the bathroom,

even though they had a bathroom.

They just sold it to South Philly.

And that was, I left Bank of America.

Like I stopped being their customer.

It wasn't immediately after that,

but that was like one of like 28 wrongs.

And I was just like, I can't do this anymore.

By the way, if Bank of America is a sponsor,

great company, Charlotte, North Carolina,

the Queen's City or something.

That's right.

Do you think it was the Viper that Doug,

oh, this guy doesn't know how to use indoor plumbing?

I will say, there was a horrible, awkward moment

during the trucker transaction that I've never forgotten.

This was 11 years ago.

And I had the car cover for the Viper, you know?

And he said to me, he said,

Doug, you get the cover.

He said, is that inside or outside?

And I said, well, the cover goes on the outside of the car.

I know what he was asking, that's what I'm doing.

And he goes, yeah, but do you use it inside?

I was like, oh, I don't know.

But it was actually an inside cover.

That's the great, I already, the whole thing.

I don't know.

I had never come to the car before.

My life.

But he did not know who he was talking to.

He thought he was talking to someone who cared.

Ironically, he's probably double his money.

But I want a Viper.

I just think they're, I just can't shake it.

Like it's, the heart wants what it wants.

And yeah, sure, maybe I, same thing.

Maybe I only have the car for six months or whatever,

but like, just want to check it off.

I totally, I will not do 4,500 miles.

You save it.

You don't, you don't know.

I didn't, I didn't, it's pretty rough.

We had, I drove my Viper a lot.

We had it together.

Like it was, it was, it's, it's effortful to you.

I know it is, but I, that's what I want.

That's what I want.

You say when you first buy a car,

remember my Lotus Elise?

This is what I want.

And then after six months, you're like,

and no one wants to ride in this with me.

No one will go for it.

No, okay.

That's true.

My friend Ryan has already said,

I will never ride in here.

But I want one.

But in the meantime, the SL65 is new reserve.

So it'll find a new home on the cars and the bids.

Nice.

By the way,

I can't wait to see what happens.

Beautifully presented.

The photos are great.

And there's so many service records that it's,

plus this car,

Kenan is selling this car.

This car is Kenan owned.

It'd be like buying a car from,

yep, I'm, that's right.

From who?

Yeah.

I don't know who you equate me to.

Someone else who's very fast.

But of course, German.

Yeah.

Well yes, it is my car.

Whenever you ask questions in the listing,

I'm the one who's responding to them.

There are service records going by the 2015 impressive.

Yes.

Oh yeah.

Scanning them took a long time.

I can imagine.

Yeah, but there's a lot of great service history

at that car.

I want to move on to the market report.

Yeah.

Okay.

The market report is brought to you,

obviously by Ryan Lopez's TE37s.

This guy, let me tell you something.

Four lugs.

They call him four lug Lopez.

He's like, you know that's five.

Is it five?

Your car?

That's not a base model.

He did an axle swap.

He did a hub swap.

Yeah, there you go.

You're getting closer.

I don't know what that car has.

Off camera.

I just said it has four lugs and he swalked it.

God!

I said it wasn't a base model that admitted maybe it was.

It's hard for me to always be right all the time,

but here we are.

I want to move on to the market report.

Anyway, let's talk about the E61.

Yeah.

We all put this down.

I put it down first, but Flipo cotton later.

That's actually inaccurate.

That's okay.

And we sold a 2010 BMW 535i X-Drive sports wagon.

Okay.

We talked about this last week on our live now show

on the Carson Biz Channel.

And it was with Ryan and Nick.

Wait, wait, wait, hang on.

We sold this car for 50.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, Sean's gonna get mad if I don't.

I thought you said it.

Sorry, keep going, keep going.

We sold this car for $52,500 in the United States.

Last week we talked about it on the live now show

on the Carson Biz Channel.

Nick and Ryan did not accept at that time,

but this is the ultimate station wagon.

It's a manual five series,

one of the best looking five series wagons period,

manual inline six, all wheel drive, low miles.

I stand by that.

I don't agree with the best look.

It's okay, don't worry about it.

The E34 would like a word.

Yeah, but that's an old car now.

Yeah, but he's saying, so is this.

This thing is 20 years old.

This looks way more modern.

The E61 Sally had to help out.

Well, of course it looks more modern.

It is more modern, but it's the best looking wagon.

Regardless, it's also a very low mile.

Chris gets banged.

It's a great looking wagon.

You know what's better looking by the way is the F10,

which we did not get in the States.

I know, the F10 Touring is really cool.

The Touring?

The F10 Touring, if you have eyes.

The stand is maybe a little too blobby,

but the wagon is, regardless, the E61 looks great.

This is a really low mile, nice example.

It's also perfect.

It's M-Sport, it's the one you want.

And they did not accept that this is God's car,

but now the market has proved that it is.

What did they say it would sell for?

They didn't know, they don't know.

Four-Lug Lopez, they don't know.

8,100 bucks, I don't know.

They don't know.

I knew.

I have to say the numbers are surprise.

I wish I were here to defend the honor of the E61,

because I like the E61.

I believe this is the one,

the E61 M5, which we can't get yet.

This is the car.

I'm not that surprised by the number.

I have seen over on certain auction platforms,

these get to big money,

and I'm thrilled that we are now getting

really big money for them.

On bottoms, they're bringing huge money.

Bottom, they're selling them.

It's right between the...

How many other options?

Fluff, Fluff, Flugen,

so just American under salon.

Yeah.

No, but seriously,

and now we've become the wagon place, obviously,

and this is the result,

this is the kind of result I would expect for this car.

It's low miles, et cetera.

It is correct.

I wouldn't even say we've become,

we've always been.

We have, but high end wagons,

you weren't sure or whatever.

Now it's like clear that we are wagon central,

and this is the type of car

that really appeals to the real car enthusiast type of buyer.

And also, if you're looking for one of these,

it's like an 06-102 is lane cruiser.

This ain't coming up again.

No matter how much money you have,

you could be sitting on the sidelines with $100,000.

It doesn't mean you're gonna find one of these cars.

Low mile, M Sport, all wheel drive, manual, et cetera.

Even just the manual alone on an E61 wagon

is very hard to find.

Yeah, totally.

This is just, it's such a good car.

I'm not surprised by the price.

It is what these go for,

but this is like, we're getting to new records.

And the whole idea of body swapping an E60M5, hell.

What you should instead do

is body swap an E60M5 into an E61 regular five series.

Why don't I?

Solves every problem.

Yeah.

And it's more valuable.

How can you lose?

Tell me if an M5 is sold.

Have we sold an E60M5 for more than this?

52.5.

Has anyone since new?

I think we did, we had a really low mile one.

Why didn't we?

I bet 51.

That's super low mileage one, which has been 51.

And then 74.

No, the answer is no, we have not.

The highest dollar E60 platform car on our site.

Is a 535.

Too straight, this wagon and that wagon, neither are M5s.

And I stand by that, that feels correct.

Needless to say on the E39 platform,

the station wagons do not pull a premium over the M5.

No.

You don't see 525I Tourings pulling a lot.

But the built ones do.

And like, we do see them occasionally.

I don't know.

We saw that other one.

You just do them.

It's probably been an E39 Touring.

I'm curious.

Oh, there you go.

But yeah, E39 Tourings.

Like what's, what are these,

what are they bringing if they're not built?

If they're not built, less.

Yeah, 17 for that nice, they're cheap.

They're not that bad.

Not like the E61.

Pretty much no stakes for that generation, right?

I want to talk about, there's two other things I want,

three other things I want to talk about.

Oh, marker report.

It's a big marker report today.

One is the Cadillac Allante.

Can you pull up Cadillac Allante?

We rarely, on this podcast,

I don't know if you've been paying attention,

but this podcast is, is, is, is,

is we're shilling for cars and bids on this podcast.

We're just, you're being, you're being sold right now.

You're talking about this.

So we only ever talk about good results.

We don't ever mention the other stuff.

Today I want to change that.

I want to talk about the Cadillac Allante.

For the record, this is a good result.

This is a totally market correct result.

This Cadillac Allante, non North Star Cadillac Allante,

sold for 3300 bucks.

And it hit me while I was, while I was watching this,

this is a really nice car.

Like this is a well-preserved one.

If you look at the interior, especially,

like it was a nice looking Allante.

The Allante, like that's, you know,

man, a little bit of cracking, but like for an Allante,

these cars are never going to be worth anything.

And it's funny because when they came out in the 80s,

it was like, this will be the collector's item Cadillac,

low production, Italian built, you know,

butte pin and farina design car.

They never, ever, ever, ever, ever went up in value.

They never will.

The market segment who would have sent them up in value

is no longer interested in these cars.

It's over for our friend, the Cadillac Allante.

And three to $6,000 is what they're worth.

We turn down more Allantes than we run.

We get submitted some really rough ones

that are like $1,500 cars.

Yeah.

I mean, to be fair, this has 100,000 miles.

It's got miles.

But pull up, go to the regular Allante results.

A lot of things don't necessarily work.

Go to the regular Allante results, 7100 bucks

for a North Star.

This is true on the trailer.

There's no outliers here.

Like, ultimately, it's funny because this car had

so much of a gravitas behind it when it was new.

And it never did.

Same with Buick Riata.

They never would.

The Riata.

Yeah, the Riata.

Well, that is, that is interesting.

Does this make it the cheapest pin and farina design

vehicle you can buy?

That's an interesting question.

Probably.

They're close, anyway.

Did they do that Hyundai Matrix or was that,

was that Beartona?

No, they did.

They did the Hyundai Matrix,

which was available with seven seats.

And that car is cheaper than this car.

You can get a Hyundai Matrix.

I forgot about that car.

I'd love that.

That was a pin and farina for sure?

No.

It was one at some Italian design house, I think, did it.

Yeah, pin and farina.

Boom, pull up the Hyundai Matrix.

The real question that we should all have for ourselves

is would you rather have that Cadillac Allante?

Or, yep.

And pin and farina's contribution,

because to me it looked a lot like all the other MPVs

in Europe at the time, but their contribution was

the rear window was a different height

than the side windows.

Do you see?

That's real Italian design work right there for you.

Chrysler, listen up.

That's innovation.

That's why it wasn't reliable.

They innovated.

Also, I apologize.

I was thinking of the Kia Rondo for having seven seats.

They only had five.

Yeah, the Rondo, of course, it says it.

Thank you for correcting yourself.

Sometimes I get texts like,

hey, why were you wrong with this?

I wanted to not leave that open this time.

Pull up the 300, you wanna talk 300ZX?

I do, yes.

So yes, the 300ZX, which I drove around briefly

when I was here, sold for $87,000.

By the way, in this era,

this was the same price as the Elante.

Did you say it?

This one, obviously extremely desirable.

Crazy little mileage, manual transmission,

twin-turbo V6, like the one to have.

And you drove it to, this just felt,

the way I described driving this car is it felt adult.

Like it felt grown up compared to like

the other cars of its era.

Buzzy, the EVOs and the STIs, which had their place,

but this car was definitely more.

It's just nice.

It just drives great, sounds great.

The shifter feels awesome.

And I'm not at all surprised.

I mean, a perfect example of find another one.

It is an interesting thing though,

because for a long time,

these have lagged behind their counterparts.

And this one, if this was a Supra,

it would have sold for $200,000.

However, it's sold for big money.

Sold for big money.

And I'm really glad because the owner of it,

I helped with this car, like, it was so fastidious.

Like they had the original tires, which are here.

And they're wrapped up.

He had boxes and every boxes and every sub box in it

is labeled with what it goes where and like all the stuff.

It was the Nissan dealer, Honolulu.

Yeah, I mean, it was just fastidiously kept.

Probably the nicest one.

One of the nicest ones left in existence.

Undoubtedly.

So it's sold for the correct number, real money.

And we posted this and of course the commenters,

Oh God, this car is ruined.

You're ruining cars.

They're getting so expensive.

I don't think, again, this is like the STI last week.

I don't think the Z32 in general is getting too expensive.

I think there's a lot of ones you could buy

for real cheap.

The next one's the next one's 41 and that car had 13,000 miles.

Although it was an automatic.

But this car though, I'm always supportive

of the really special cars trading hands

for big money and getting preserved.

Someone should preserve a few dozen of these cars

that we love.

And I'm glad that that exists.

I totally am supportive of people modifying a lot of them

and having fun and driving them or whatever.

But like there should be some out there

that in 30 years when they're all gone

that we can look back on and be like that car.

For academic reasons to look back at how it was.

I agree with that.

I totally agree.

And this car is clearly an example of that.

I think the new owners in Florida.

It is a very, very, very special car.

And I am really, really, I was really excited to drive it.

I had never driven a Z32 any distance before.

And I was really impressed with how well it drove.

My eyes, our eyes together were opened with this car.

To the point where I still think the Mark Force cooler,

better looking.

However, a nice one of these.

If you gave me the keys and were like,

you're gonna do a Canyon run.

Yep.

It was fast.

I was shocked at how quick it is.

Okay, we gotta move on to the questions,

the questions which are brought to you by the Goofers

in Filippo's field.

We don't talk about those anymore.

It's just Filippo field by the way.

Filippo's like these Goofers.

Now you can ask us questions.

You go to carsandbids.com,

you click on the community tab.

There'll be a poster that says questions,

questions, questions.

And you can ask us questions about any topic you want,

including Ryan Lopez's air conditioning.

We were a little light on questions this week.

So please people, I went through every single question.

I went through every single question.

There's 456 of them.

And I only found eight acceptable ones.

I'm very picky.

Well, half the questions are like,

if you had this much money, what would you buy?

And I just, I want to get like deeper than that.

I want to feel more than that.

Right.

You want to feel really connected.

I want to feel like one of those Goofers tunneling.

Do you know how far?

Okay.

They have to fall all the way over to my place.

It turns out from you.

It's been a real problem in my household.

First question from Tommy Marshall.

I want to get this out of the way quickly.

What, Doug, what happened to the racing sim setup

from the Linus Tech Tips Collapse?

Through there.

I'll tell you what happened.

It's sitting right over there.

And anybody who comes into our office does a lap or two.

Sean figured out something.

The leaderboard.

I actually haven't done it yet.

Who's fastest?

But there's a leaderboard.

And Sean is over here now trying to claim

that he's fastest, but he's in the back.

Because he sat there for hours and just,

and it really was just him.

He has no, like we haven't had any more experience.

Nobody's, everyone else who's played on that thing

has played it like done three laps.

Sean has spent like full nights in here

just sitting on the sim.

And then, so he can pop up like his little,

like one of Filippo's Goofers.

Who's fastest, guys?

One of our employees, team members,

Johnny has a faster time on there.

Really? Is that true?

Not anymore apparently.

I get him based on the,

Sean's been through four full days.

All the way to the sim.

It took a holiday weekend.

Sean, who's in my line of sight,

shaking his head, Johnny in the back is nodding.

Yes, his time is faster.

Okay.

From next question from Antonio SS-22,

this is a great and very timely question

because I've been thinking the same exact thing.

Given the epic success General Motors has had

with the C8 Corvette,

and you can't say it's been anything other

than epic success, truthfully.

And now the Lamborghini Huracan is gone.

Would it make sense from market perspective

for a Stalantis to bring back the Viper

or the mid-engine V10 is a halo car for their brand?

You know, the Viper, its whole life came and went.

Yeah.

Yeah, there have been periods of time

when a Viper is for sale and-

Not, and then comes back like the Z, honestly.

Yeah.

And I drove that one,

and I was just thinking that same thing.

You know, Stalantis is trying to regain some credibility

that was lost when they came out

with the fake exhaust note hatchback charger.

Yeah, but they can't do that.

And I'll tell you why.

Every Viper shares something in common.

It has a huge V10, naturally aspirated V10 engine

and a manual transmission.

That would be hard to sell in today's market.

Do you think so?

I think it would be hard to build in any,

it has to be in any V10,

and it has to have a manual transmission.

I will say the last Viper kind of proved

that maybe it needed to be the last Viper.

Like they had refined it.

It was, they had finally come out with like

the right Viper for the audience.

Like it got made it more expensive and no one bought it.

And they couldn't get rid of that.

They couldn't get out of that experience fast enough.

You know, you say this,

but the Extreme Aero cars are worth so much money now.

In the end, it's actually,

but I think that actually speaks to the problem

with the Viper in general.

They came out with this luxury car.

And which are the ones that people actually want today?

It's these ultra crazy ones

that actually sold in super small numbers.

And you cannot justify creating the car

just to make the Extreme Aero one.

With all of that said,

this would be a good time to do it.

It would be, I just,

but if they do it with a V8, like that's not a Viper.

I agree.

I think so.

You say it gains some credibility.

If they mess with the recipe in any way,

I think they instantly lose all of it.

Yeah.

I will also say that the Hellcat

at Hellcat Engine Things gave a lot of credibility

from a performance standpoint.

Yeah, but it's not a Viper.

No lineage.

It's all gone.

But you know the other issue,

if you look at their brands,

most of their brands sell one or two vehicles at the moment.

Yeah.

And like they don't have a unifying,

like what is the Solantis brand?

Nobody knows.

What is the Dodge brand?

Nobody knows.

There's not a unifying theme.

And I don't think that's worth one or two.

What are you going to say?

They hired 2,000 engineers to get rid of the one thing

that unifies all their brands.

Hey, we don't besmirch the Fiat brand in that way.

You're like side bills are falling off.

Your center armrest was sharp.

That predates the Lantern.

I would argue that what unifies all their cars

and their brands, they're all cool.

I mean, the Pacifica may be a side,

but like every Chrysler and Dodge,

you are choosing to buy it knowing their reliability

reputation because you think it's cool.

The Ram looks cool.

The Wrangler you're doing because it's cool.

I don't stall all of them.

But then in Europe, the Opel, the Peugeot, the Citroën,

the Fiat, those are just cars.

But the problem is that they don't have a Viper,

an Opel version of the Viper.

And I think that if they took the Viper to Europe

and they had a Peugeot,

the whole world would be in better shape.

Yeah.

It'd be nice to see it.

Yeah.

Just a nice V10 Opel.

European regulations, they don't allow you to wash that car

in your driveway on a Sunday.

They don't allow you to fix it in your garage during the week.

And they certainly wouldn't allow you to drive it down the street

and make a noise.

I just don't think that like it fits any brand identity.

That's true.

I don't know.

But I don't know.

I'm getting back to this question.

I would love it if the Viper would come back personally,

but I just don't see it.

I think the fifth gen is the last.

Hard to imagine developing a V10 and all that stuff.

Yeah, exactly.

Unless they could justify coming back,

not with a V10 and a manual.

I don't think they had the D-men.

Corvette always was a front engine V8.

Not always V8.

But Corvette's entire brand personality

was we want to be a supercar beer from America.

That was never Viper's thing.

Maybe it can be.

How about the GT-R?

Come back as a Viper.

Screw a V8, go for a V6.

Make a Viper GT-R.

Really?

But that car is sold to the same people who like Viper's.

Well, you know what?

If I want, maybe that's what we need to get the values

of the Viper's to go on to bring a V6 back and ruin it all.

I don't know.

Do you want the values to go up?

No, he wants to buy one.

I want to buy one.

I'm going to buy one.

Oh, God.

Ride the wave.

He wants to buy one first.

Next question from bars and kids.

Hi, Doug.

These days, you're only reviewing cars

you have interest in personally or a combination of cars

you know will do well for the channel.

Do you have the final say in what you will review

or don't review?

I have the only say.

I want to be clear.

Occasionally, Sean will send me a car.

I'm like, hey, I think this would do great.

Hey, hey, this car, someone is a guy

really wants you to review this.

I'm like, no, Sean.

No.

You've seen these conversations.

Uh-huh.

I don't know the side of it.

Not happening.

Sorry.

The fun to watch.

You will take suggestions and if they fit

the brand identity, you'll say yes.

All the cars I reviewed, this is the greatest thing

that's happened.

I don't think the audience has fully understood

just how wonderful this whole cars and bins acquisition

has been.

You are getting an unfiltered.

If we were doing this podcast seven years ago,

I'd be like, the Honda Prelude has many great merits.

It is a little on the expense side, just a spedge.

But it's also a wonderful car to drive.

And I suspect they'll have no trouble

hitting their sales target.

But now I'm here like the Prelude is back.

And that also extends to the cars that I reviewed.

Let me tell you something.

There is no situation on this planet

in which five years ago,

I could have gotten away with reviewing

a Nissan Pathfinder, an original Nissan Pathfinder.

What are some of the other?

I'd like this RX 300.

There was no chance that review would have been.

Some might say that five years ago,

Doug, what is a little bit more thoughtful.

There was a time we needed to make money.

We just have fun.

It's what we do here.

And it's great.

So the answer is, do I have a final say?

Yeah. Yeah.

I agree with the say of, you have the only say.

That's accurate.

They've tried.

Sometimes I will not review a car that I want to review.

Just that fight.

Filippo will bring it to me and you should review this.

Nope.

I wouldn't if you hadn't said anything about it.

The truth comes out.

Okay. Next question from Ryder 7.

This is actually a question for Sean,

but Sean's not mic'd up.

So I'm gonna answer it for him.

I have a bad color G-Wagon.

No.

I can't handle it.

The question can't handle it.

My brake lights may not work.

We've heard the process of Doug creating the channel

and Cars and Bids.

What was the process of creating the podcast?

Whose idea were the different segments and questions?

Let me tell you about the podcast.

We brought in Sean on a rainy day.

Yeah.

And he's like, you should have a podcast

and it should be this.

And we were like, all right.

And that was that.

Don't you think that was kind of?

Yeah.

I didn't recall doing any.

Pretty Sean, we did some live shows

that were like truly live,

which we still get asked about.

But it turns out that's a lot harder

and not as interesting as doing a pre-recorded pod

where you can add additional media

where you can make it really an object.

Or you could censor Nick.

Important.

But that's what people want to see.

Imagine Nick on a live show.

Nick unplugged.

Oh my God.

We couldn't.

We would need a five seconds delay at least.

At least.

Just like.

And when he starts on a tangent,

you just pull all the cords.

You just sever them.

Oops.

And you get that, we have technical issues.

Right.

Screen.

All right.

Sean came in, he created a set.

He created a pod.

It's the biggest odd amount of podcast.

We should give a round of applause.

We're gonna have some love for Sean.

For Sean.

As I recall, our process of getting Filippo as talent,

we were just like, will you do this with us?

We're filming this today.

You're here.

He's like, all right, fine.

And now he's a staple in our lives.

He's like corn.

Heavily incentivized by the federal government.

Can I get some of that corn money?

No, you cannot.

I would have to.

No big corn for you.

We have time for a couple more questions.

That's for surprisingly.

Dear Doug, this is a great question from JCW Niko.

Or Doug, to Doug, or any of the other side characters

on the pod, they're referring to you there specifically.

What is the telltale sign that you're getting tired

of owning an interesting car?

Is there a specific sign that will make you go,

maybe it's time for something new, is it time to sell?

I will say for me personally, I have this lucky thing

where I go away in the summer

and I don't really play with the cars.

And if I'm not thinking about the car all summer,

pretty much I saw the car in the fall.

That's like, that was the car, the RS2.

That's right.

The RS2, I was like, well, this is done.

The yellow Defender.

Well, the A-Class, which was there on Nantucket,

you didn't think about it.

We knew.

Well, of course we knew.

But I think that's a big one.

If you're not actively excited,

that's the beginning of it time to...

Yep, absolutely.

I break up the example.

It's like, I still, when I parked my M5,

I still get out, I walk up forward,

I look back at it every single time,

and I've had that car for 10 years.

But there was a point in my 355,

it's like I had to pick which car I was gonna go

on a drive with my friends,

and I grabbed the keys to the other car,

and it was like, it's time to sell the car.

It's time to sell the Ferrari.

And so I did.

So yeah, I agree.

If your gut is already telling you,

I'm not sure if it's time to go.

You haven't realized it, but you probably...

I am, to this day, the three cars that I have,

they're really special.

I am excited about them every single time.

I look at them, drive them, think about them, and so on.

I'm sorry to them.

Whichever couple cars don't fit in that criteria.

Well, the 993 is more of a practical car.

The 993, I think, I'll switch out for other stuff

in the future, but I still really...

That's a truck, man.

That's a utility truck.

Me and Sean use it to deliver the mail

whenever there's a big storm in incline village.

Me and Sean go up there with our respective G-wagons.

You handle in it, him not.

And the thing, you have, or you either drive,

you either sell a car because you're gonna move,

you drive it into the ground,

or you're forced by our content team to then stop

because we filmed it and decided we were gonna do it.

That was the only situation.

Not really, you don't get rid of the ability.

You're very indecisive in this topic.

No, just sometimes, I get the GTI I said a few months ago

and it's still being actively driven.

The GTI was gonna go the 8,000 miles.

The A-bar lasted 18 months after you said

you were gonna sell that.

The GTI's been at least six months after you said

you were gonna sell that.

He's a collector.

Although yesterday my wife said that she's tired of,

she has to drive a bunch for work.

She's tired of traffic and the GTI.

The manual.

Honestly, it's fair.

Yeah, I totaled it.

So is it gonna go?

No, cause it's actually really useful to have a car.

Have you thought about an ILX?

No.

At all?

Not even for yourself, but just in general?

In general, no.

I've thought about a lot of cars.

I think the wagon is coming up maybe on some life cycle,

but I can't think of anything I want more

and so I'm not gonna sell it.

May I make a suggestion?

Like you also need to have something.

A newer wagon?

Rivian R2.

You also need to have something

that you want your place with.

You want R2 for a lot of really long trips.

You need a newer wagon.

You need a 213.

You only don't want it cause I have it.

If I didn't have it, you would have it.

I'm not.

I'm just a dad.

You hate this idea that you're a budget Doug,

which you are, but I love that idea.

I'm just not that interested in it.

I think it's great.

And the 214 doesn't have third row though.

The 213 is better.

I drove your car.

213 is so much better.

Of course it's better.

Comfortable.

It has CarPlay without you having to install

a Chinese unit in the thing which you did.

The prior owner did.

Okay.

Yeah, it doesn't work right now.

Very well.

That's true.

It's like reconnect every time.

That's a real problem.

Stunned at that.

Okay.

That's all fair.

And I think those are reasonable reasons to sell a car.

But you also need to want something else.

Like that sort of needs to be something

that you want that money for, that garage space.

I've been expecting to come to the end of my journey

with my M5 a long time ago.

I thought like, okay, I'm gonna want something else,

but it just hasn't happened yet.

Maybe it does one day.

But like the SL did, the 355 did.

It's like, for the wagon.

The Vigor will.

The wagon's not worth all that much anymore.

It has 125,000 miles that's been hit a couple of times.

It has some issues.

It's an old to 12 year old car.

What else do I want for that money?

I don't, nothing.

What would you do with the eight grand?

Hey, it's worth like 15.

Hey, is the Abarth gone?

The Abarth's gone.

They drove it to Arizona?

No, no, they shipped it to Vegas.

Vegas.

Vegas, it's there.

Damn, man, driving around Vegas and an Abarth.

It will die out there.

Someone's gonna shoot it with a 50 cal in the desert

at some point.

That would be great.

Hopefully, no way.

I mean, that makes a great thing.

It's a great car.

The Abarth was so good.

It was a great car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was tired of it, but it was a great car.

Okay, next question from C-L-E-Y-E Clydee.

Doug, with the Courier GT selling for almost $3 million

more than a Ferrari F40 at auction last weekend,

would you ever consider selling the Courier GT

to move into an F40?

We talk about Courier GT F40 a lot here,

because I thought about getting an F40

when I bought the Courier GT and chose the Courier GT instead

because I couldn't afford the F40, you know?

Folks.

One interesting thing, the answer to the question is

that particular Courier GT was crazy money

and I don't necessarily think they're equal.

One interesting thing though,

that we haven't talked about that this question

reminded me of, you know what car hasn't run up

like every other car in the last six months is the F40.

F40 results have not been particularly strong.

5.23, this past, at a motor.

For a zero mile US car.

For a 92, yeah, 92 later car, it was a Euro though.

Broad Arrow sold this week in Amelia,

a US F40 with 8,000 miles for 3.8 million.

That is what they sold for.

That is what they were selling for five years ago.

That is what they are selling for today.

The car that RM sold in Miami had 800 miles on it.

So yes, it's sold for 5 million.

If an Enzo today sold with 800 miles on it,

that car would be $15 million.

Well, one did.

And that's what they're selling for.

I have been surprised.

F40 values, I think you could still to this day

buy an F40 for two and a half.

F40 values have not gone crazy like the other car.

Well, I think they just made a gazillion of them.

But they made a gazillion Creo GTs.

In fact, the exact same number.

And Creo GT values have now doubled

in a span where F40 values have done nothing.

I have a theory.

My theory is people drove the F40.

I have a different theory.

What is your theory?

My theory is that I have been watching the market

very closely where things are shifting.

And it's clear that there is a shift away

from the older cars.

The blue chip like carbureted Enzo Aero Ferraris

have more or less plateaued.

There was a World Brecker Dino this past weekend.

But I think the interest is more than the early 2000s Ferraris.

I think that's like maybe I think the F40 is the one.

Very difficult to use and there are a lot of them.

And so you're really just just the only real

differentiating factor between them.

Yes, you have the CAD adjustments, but it's mileage.

That's like the really the lake, your production mileage.

Maybe, but a 959 just sold,

which is the exact same era as an F40

and honestly way less cool.

A 959 just sold for five and a half,

which 959s and F40s were nowhere near the same plane

until suddenly they are.

And it's like, wait a second, what?

I'm interested in this.

I'm really surprised watching these F40 results come in

that F40 has not taken off either.

Now it did take off quite a bit before,

but it's interesting to me that there are not people

sitting around saying F40 is a $10 million car

when F50 is when Enzo is, et cetera.

There was a time when F40 looked like

it was eclipsing F50.

Well, yeah, again, I still bring that for those examples.

I'll bring it back to production numbers.

349 F50s.

Maybe, but career in GT, when I bought my career GT,

it was 65 to 75% back of a 40.

And now it is not far off paired.

Well, again, I think part of the reason that is,

is there is more interest in collecting those courses.

The 959, the career GT, the 918.

As their dam should be, except for the 918,

which is like a Prius.

Well, you gotta have it to complete the set.

The 288 is, you know.

You agree it's what the Prius is, in a lot of ways.

I don't know, I'm very interested,

Ferraris are just so hot right now.

I'm just very interested to see where things settle.

Not the F40, except the F40 is literally hot.

So maybe you should buy it.

When you drive it.

Maybe you should buy an F40.

No, I'm not.

I don't want any more cars this value.

Folks, it's never gonna happen.

It's fine with me.

What I want, more than anything else, a Lincoln Bronco.

Common.

Lincoln Bronco.

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