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About this episode
Apex Adjacent celebrates ten years of podcasting with a chaotic and humorous discussion that ranges from personal anecdotes to automotive frustrations. The hosts dive into a quirky tire cover featuring a raccoon and explore the absurdities of car culture. They share updates on their project cars, including a Volkswagen R32 radio code dilemma and preparations for an upcoming 24-hour race. The episode also features nostalgic car discussions, listener interactions, and reflections on their decade-long journey in the automotive podcasting world.
Topics:
project cars
Volkswagen R32
tire cover humor
24-hour race prep
nostalgia in car culture
listener interactions
automotive frustrations
ten year anniversary
Cars:
Cadillac Coupe De Ville
Cadillac Escalade
Chevrolet Beretta
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Caprice
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet HHR
Citroen 2CV
Ford F-150
GMC Cyclone
GMC Typhoon
GMC Yukon
Lexus LFA
Lexus LX
Nissan Figaro
Nissan GT-R
Nissan Skyline
Porsche Cayenne
Toyota FJ Cruiser
Toyota Supra
Toyota Tundra
Tinfinity! This week we briefly touch on our tenacious ten year run, talk more Mount Carmore, and find ourselves just as confused as a certain trash panda presented on a tire cover. It will mostly make sense, maybe. We love you!
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"I have a garage update of sorts. So my beloved R32, I let it sit for a while. I haven't driven it in..."
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"running overnight. The first one with the HHR, we blew the head gasket. Oh, that's right."
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Chevrolet Beretta
"...aught looking back, you know, okay. I saw a Chevy Beretta the other day and I was like, is that a fucking B..."
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Chevrolet Corvette
"Sports car. A 1993 Corvette, of course. And for the luxury car, a 1993 Cadill..."
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Cadillac Coupe De Ville
"...rvette, of course. And for the luxury car, a 1993 Cadillac Coupe de Ville. I think this is early North Star era."
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Figaro Nissan Figaro
"...1991, the retro vehicles like the Nissan POW, the Nissan Figaro, the S-cargo. And I can't remember the other one."
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Citroen 2CV
"... thing as like the Uppsall Golfs with the Uppsall 2CVs, like you can do with that too, right?"
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Nissan Gtr
"... history. I mean, yeah, you're kicking ass with a GTR and an EVO and I think an X-Tera is pretty bad as..."
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Toyota Supra
"...n Toyota? I would take potentially the GTR over a Supra because my love for Nissan Skyline lineage cars r..."
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Toyota FJ Cruiser
"...hat he's wrong. I, I am sure he's wrong about the FJ Cruiser. I can tell you that I've never liked those."
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Lexus LFA
"... God damn it. Do you have a great point about the LFA and the LS, that generation LS is pretty great to..."
Select text to request an explanation
Dave.
Ian.
We are Apex, Jason, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we are going to be, we're starting off
on a chaotic note today.
We're just going to jump right in.
You're just bringing your daily life straight to the show.
I took a nap today, Ian, OK?
That's how different our lives are.
Both my wife and I fell asleep on the couch for 20 minutes today.
I did that thing where I tucked my head in between the couch cushion like a slot to hold
my head up.
It was fantastic.
Oh my God.
That's how different our lives are.
Anyway, yes.
I can't fathom it.
You're just jelly.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, we're just going to jump in with just straight, chaotic, evil, chaotic energy.
I'm not sure, honestly.
Don't know what to make of it.
Just go ahead and show the people the thing.
Oh, OK.
All right. Yeah.
I know that's on our Patreon tier.
My third nipple.
OK.
They posted it.
I saw this earlier this summer.
I forgot about it.
Found it in my photo roll and I don't know what to do with this.
So for the audio listeners, this is the back end of like a fifth wheel as it's
being towed along the road.
It is a passport, ultra light, grand touring model, but it has a tire cover,
a very specific tire cover on it, on the spare tire.
And it is the Blue Lives Matter support the police racist bullshit that is,
you know, it's that.
But then superimposed in front of it is a raccoon with its hands up in the air.
And I don't know if it's extra racist or if it's whimsical.
Right.
I'm not sure what is happening.
Right.
I mean, we are of the of the age and the regional upbringing that we are aware
that like horrible, horrible people make animal to race associations.
Right.
But the things that we've been exposed to growing up and like just,
you know, being aware of racist shit in our environment, unfortunately,
we've never seen and we've never seen a raccoon identified as some kind of thing.
Well, but the back half of that word is also the slur.
The back half of the word is a slur.
Yes. And so I'm not.
I don't know.
Is that the intention or is this just like, hey, cute animal being arrested
by the police who I support?
I'm not I'm confused.
Right.
But then like the raccoons have the little bandit masks, right?
Like that's the thing about a raccoon.
It like it's a bandit mask, right?
And so is that a thing?
Like, is it being identified as a little raccoon criminal trash panda
because it has the bandit mask? Great question.
Great question.
Also, my first inclination is to feel sorry for the raccoon,
who is clearly about to be beaten.
Yes. Yes.
Best case scenario, the raccoon catches.
Yeah, it catches the back end of a night stick.
All right, that's a trumped up charges.
Yeah, exactly.
Can we should we even say that anymore?
I'm so confused by this.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it leaves you with way more questions than it answers for sure.
Yeah, have you googled like a raccoon police lives matter raccoon blue line?
Yeah, I don't want to poison any of my searches with something like that.
I'm going to put it on blue sky and see what see what people think.
Yeah, I think it's going to be.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I please do.
And I think like this is one of those things where.
We can we can suspect the worst or we can suspect like kind of nothing like.
I almost forgot about this part of it.
I'm sorry, I just realized there's one other thing.
He's doing the like rock on thing with his hands.
Oh, yeah, he's throwing up the devil horns.
Right. So he doesn't have.
So it's extra chaotic.
Yeah, because he's not like raising his hands.
No, like I'm unarmed.
What are you doing, Mr. Raccoon?
He's like got devil horns.
Yeah, one of the blue lives matter.
Zoom and he and ask for zoomies.
Zoom and enhance zoomies and enhances Ian.
Yeah, he's throwing up the Danzig.
Yeah, horns.
Yeah, OK.
So yeah, yeah.
Raccoons, this is the second time
today, raccoons have come up in conversation.
The first I'm just going to say this sentence.
You get to figure it out and pretend to figure
like paint a picture in your head of whatever it is.
The first thing that was early this morning
with my therapist, they came up.
So read into that, whatever you want.
Anyway, second instance of raccoons today.
Middle, do we know a raccoon with Dave's mom?
Why is this person have a picture
of my mother on their wheel cover?
Maybe a hilarious reaction.
Most adorable part about a raccoon
is its little weird hands, right?
Some people are repulsed by raccoons.
I I love them.
I love possum, right?
I like these animals that I think are
kind of pushed to the edges
because they're, you know, scavengers
and, you know, like not conventionally pretty.
Pretty gritty. Yeah.
No, excuse me.
Raccoons, sure.
But possums, no, possums,
their body temperature is too low to get rabies.
And they you do not have Lyme disease
because of multiple possum.
So I agree, I agree.
Possums are awesome.
Yes, raccoons.
Yeah, I'm here for them.
I like I caught a family of raccoons
on my on my webcam like the the other night.
Yeah. And yeah, just like, you know, lumbering by.
And then like two minutes later,
like three more like little baby raccoons came by,
like trying to catch up.
That's pretty adorable.
Yeah, I know, right?
But yeah, what the fuck is this?
I don't know what to make of it.
This this is that you see something say something.
Uh-huh. Yeah, you see something go home.
Yeah, I don't know,
because there aren't any other stickers on the vehicle
that kind of give you
like where this person leans politically
or socially or anything like that.
Like there's
Oh, I think that that's like an outdoor deal a day website
that like that sticker on the right there.
I can't remember what it's called.
I used to have it up all the time, but yeah.
Yeah, just stuff like that.
Yeah, like a National Park sticker and something else.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
So anybody, if you know what this is about,
please tell me.
I know this is like this is maybe like a grandpa
that needs the meme explained to him situation.
But I need the meme explained to me.
Yeah, yeah, we both have enough gray hair
that it's okay that we ask this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, all right.
So you can only get more less chaotic from here.
I can only get better from here.
I don't know if that's true
because on here you have it all capital letters
FU Volkswagen.
Yeah.
I have a garage update of sorts.
So my beloved R32, I let it sit for a while.
I haven't driven it in a minute.
And then today I was like, you know what?
I'm gonna take that to go pick up my kid from school.
And I got in it and obviously the battery
had like dropped enough that the like the clock reset
and the radio, the head unit reset.
Now I at one point, at several points
have emailed myself the code for the radio.
Oh, the radio code.
So Volkswagen does this thing.
Sob did it too.
Yeah, you have a code that's calculated
from the serial number of the radio and your VIN.
And the planetary alignment at the time.
Right.
And it's something that happens in the ECU,
there's some thing and then there's like a tool
that Volkswagen has to be able to look this up.
And I was like, well, no problem.
Because I couldn't, I spent like an hour
searching like all of my cloud storage things,
all of my devices.
Like I know I saved this someplace
and I emailed it to myself, I couldn't find it.
Like searching in Gmail, like radio pin, radio code,
head unit pin, like everything I could think of.
Couldn't find it.
And it's just like a four-digit number.
And so I was like, well, no problem.
Of course I have the tools to pull the head unit out.
And I should say that this is not the stock head unit,
it's the one that's like,
it was like a stock plus thing.
That's an OEM first party upgrade.
Yes, it's an OEM upgrade to like add Bluetooth
and stuff to a 2004 car, right?
Which is amazing that Volkswagen did that.
If any other auto manufacturers do that,
I'm not aware of it, that's wild.
It's really cool.
It looks factory.
Sounds great.
It sounds good.
Now here's where Volkswagen is not so nice.
They, I called the dealer
and I've done this before like a couple of times.
Apparently six years ago,
so this is breaking news, six years ago.
Six years ago, they took away the access
from the dealers for that tool.
No.
And now the only way that they will give you the code
is you have to drive it to the dealer,
they plug in their bag, their bag tool.
And it's a $200 appointment.
No.
Yeah.
And they give you the code, right?
They don't just unlock it.
And they give you the code.
Oh, Jesus.
But it's a $200 appointment.
No.
Which is more than I paid for the head unit.
How much Googling did you do
to see if like somebody has just put
this whole database online?
There's like us, I found,
like I did that like very quickly
because I was like right as they were closing.
Sure.
I did Google a little bit.
I did find one site that wants $17 to do it.
Okay.
So I may try that.
I don't know if it'll work.
But yeah, it's, that's pretty fucking frustrating.
That sucks, dude.
That sucks.
So do you have like the serial number
of your head unit like ready to go
in your VIN?
Yeah, because I can pull,
I pulled it out.
Right, right.
Actually the serial number
and I've got my VIN obviously.
And you didn't sharpie it anywhere
on the head unit, did you?
No, because that is what I'm going to do
when I get this.
That's what I did with the sob.
Yeah.
But I know I had it in some sort of cloud storage thing
and I've just kind of figured out where I put it.
Right, right.
Shit.
Dang, man.
Sucks.
If anybody is listening,
they can just pull this up for you
and please just do it.
Yeah, please ping him.
Very frustrating.
Yeah.
So fuck you, Volkswagen.
That's real dumb.
Yeah, yeah, that really sucks.
I mean, I remember calling,
I think was it Mike Shaw sob back in the day?
And I think my mile high even could look it up.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like the indie places used to be able to do it too.
So I'm going to call Blue Water too
and see if they'll like hook me up
and be able to do it for free.
Yeah.
But I'll try some of the indies around town too
because there's a couple of like indie Volkswagen places.
Yeah.
But man, that's annoying.
Dude, that sucks.
OK, and so like you cannot, you can drive the car,
you just have no access to any radio features, right?
Yeah, you can do any radio.
Right. No radio.
Yeah.
Which is fine.
I mean, but it's real annoying.
You in your head were singing the first,
like like stanza of that Rage Against the Machine song.
Yeah, turn on the radio.
Fuck it.
You stop before fear is your only God.
But yeah.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
So annoying.
Dude, that sucks, man.
OK, well, I'll noodle around on the internet
to and see if I can find anything for you.
Yeah, I have I have a variety of OBD adapters
of different capabilities.
I do have like the really fancy OBD link MX2
that's like straight USB to a Windows machine.
So if we can get our hands on and it has like all the different
like the red cable, the yellow cable,
like all those things for different programming things.
So if there's anything you find that like asks for like those OBD link
things and I think it's like the ECU scan tool or something like that.
Let me know and I may already have it.
OK, yeah, I don't know.
It may be like a you have to check your software
to see if they have the bad the badge thing.
Yeah, because I think it's like a there's like some specific interaction
between that you like intercept between the.
Oh, the can bus message.
Yeah, you see you in the in the head unit
and you can like extract it from there.
And that's how they do it.
Oh, OK, that's what the guy at the service department said, OK.
Yeah, I have been doing some can bus sniffing research.
So I mean, I'm not ready, but I'm aware of like I even looked at like the frame
structure of the packets. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm very not like we have time
to mess with it before a lemons for our little folks.
And I'm just happy we have OBD to see cool and temperature.
Right. Oh, yeah. Right.
So, yeah.
And, you know, RPM.
Yeah, exactly.
Fuel level. Mm hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, I have to try my better OBD adapter
because I with the initial kind of cheap one,
I don't think I could get fuel level.
So yeah, it's so wild.
Like certain certain vendors expose certain things.
And yeah, you know, just give me all the data.
Just you have it.
You have it. It's there.
The data is there. Give it to me.
You know when to turn the light on for the gas.
Like there's math happening.
Like, you know, yeah. Right.
So there's a call being made.
Just give it to me.
What else shall we talk about?
Let's keep going with your you kind of started talking about lemons a little bit
because you're talking about our little Mark three Cabrio.
Yeah. We're racing in a week and a half. Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. So got the transmission in.
The clutch is is working.
I don't think there's any oil had one whoopsie moment
because apparently on the top of Volkswagen transmissions,
there is a hole that looks like you should put transmission fluid in it.
That is not the hole you put transmission fluid in.
It is a timing hole that just puts fluid directly into the bell housing.
Oh, guess who dumped two liters of transmission fluid into that?
It me.
Uh-huh.
And so we after Chad real over again, right?
After Chad, Chris and I had kind of a moment of panic.
I found people on Reddit that have done the exact same thing.
And all they did was like pour some gasoline in there and like wait five hours.
And so we poured gasoline in there.
I went to town with compressed air
and had a fan on it with the little inspection covers off overnight
and everything's fine.
I think there's still just a tiny bit of fluid coming out, you know, but yeah.
So, so, you know, hey, yeah.
It's a good one.
Yeah.
Oh God.
Just like it's a thing like we were talking about like with the dipsticks, right?
Like, you know, like just why is this thing here?
It is like it's a timing inspection hole.
It's very weird.
I don't know.
But should the clutch start slipping again?
That's where we're going to pipe a hose to spray brake clean into.
I can tell you that.
And we will do that from the cab.
So yeah, we will figure out.
Inside?
No, I mean, we will run something through the firewall.
We will run a flammable liquid through the firewall to a hot transmission.
Yes.
Spray.
Yes.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, if there's not really much oxygen in there, can it really catch fire?
It's right.
We have a fire suppression system, Ian.
Yeah.
So, you know, not like we want to use it.
But yeah.
So chopping through like the final to-dos like you and I were talking a little bit before
the show about it.
One of the things is making kind of doing the LED numbers.
So I'm going to give you an update on the LED numbers because I have one, a fresh one here.
Um, here's one of our numbers.
Oh, man.
I like so good.
I got some green translucent vinyl.
So it looks like nice and green.
Nice.
And here, I'll even light it up for you.
It uses USB-C and five volts.
And boom, here you go.
That is bright.
Yep.
Sure is.
Yeah.
That looks great.
I have, I need to throw a layer of clear vinyl on it.
I'll probably just use packing tape and some gorilla tape around the edges.
And I need to make two more of these.
They're, um, the other two are at the stage where I'm cutting the vinyl to make the
black negative space for the numbers.
So.
Right.
Yeah.
These are those LED like light boards that you can get for like tracing things.
Right.
Um, so yeah.
So I bought, uh, four of them ruined one, trying to, uh, different kinds of, uh,
solvents to get the, uh, there's like, um, measurements, like centimeters and inches
and stuff around the edges, trying to get that stuff off easily and get more surface
area for, um, the light.
I knew I was going to wreck one going in.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah.
So we'll mount these on the car.
Nice.
Put one on the roof that I am making for the car out of, uh, melted ABS plastic.
And there you go.
You pre-melt the thing.
Then when the fire starts, then it's just, it's already ruined.
Yeah.
It's just like, yeah.
It kind of like just sets a little bit in more, right?
Right.
You got to get it through a heat cycle.
Yes.
Yes.
They're like, uh, already 71 RSs.
Yes.
You just need the heat cycle.
Your entire vehicle.
Uh-huh.
So yeah.
So doing that stuff, um, yeah, I got to, we got to throw some wheel spacers on
there because we're a little concerned about, um, the wheels, uh, and the tires
potentially touching the, um, the spring seat on the coilovers.
Uh, so we're just going to push the, um, the wheels out and just did, you
know, nothing crazy.
Just like 60, 70 millimeters, you know?
No.
Yeah.
Just like 10 mil spacers, you know.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
Good.
Yeah.
I am so excited for roomie rooms.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm really excited.
I cannot wait.
I'm, I feel like we're in a good position because like we're knocking
through some stuff that like we'll need to do to pass tech and stuff like
that.
But I think if everything goes right, then we're going to have a good
amount of time to work on the tech setup and the live streaming
setup.
And so that should be pretty dialed.
Cool.
Yeah, man.
So thank you for taking care of the RV.
We're going to do that again.
And yeah, it should be a good time.
The, the weather I think is looking good, like potentially
like mid 80s, something like that.
Yeah.
That'd be nice.
Like it's not super hot, not super cold.
That's what you want.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And hopefully it won't rain because rain at night sucks.
Oh, I can't imagine.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't think we have a rain tire setup.
You know?
Yeah.
So we'll find out.
Right.
Yeah.
But yeah, you know, I'm looking forward to it.
It's going to be fun.
So yeah.
And this is your first 24 hour one.
Did you do, I think so, right?
This will be the first one where I feel like we will be
running overnight.
The first one with the HHR, we blew the head gasket.
Oh, that's right.
We were working in 24 hours.
Yeah.
And I think I got home at like three or four a.m.
at night, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That drive was tough.
I haven't done one of those drives where like it's pretend, it's
like borderline unsafe because like you are so fatigued.
I have not done one of those in a long time.
And yeah.
No.
No.
I did all the coping things to, you know, the windows down
like, um, like biting those little hairs on the back of my
fingers, you know, like, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Worst.
Yeah.
Choking myself.
Wait.
I wasn't.
There you go.
There you go.
High five.
Uh-huh.
Um, what else should we talk about?
I have a license plate game.
We have some Mount Carmore updates.
Yeah.
What do you like to do?
I would like to just take a quick moment to talk about
the show really quick because when the show hits YouTube,
it's going to be on our 10th anniversary as a podcast.
Oh, dear Lord.
I know.
10 years you and I have been doing this shit.
That's crazy.
Right.
And look what we have to show for it.
Well, we have a lot to show for it.
We do.
You know?
Yeah.
We have a lot of friends.
We have a lot of fun things that have that we
wouldn't have been able to have if we didn't
have a lot to show for it.
We have a lot of friends that have that we wouldn't
have been able to have if we didn't have our dumb show.
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, we, I mean, we, I know we covered a lot
of this ground earlier this year when we did our 500
episode, but.
Sure.
Um, but yeah, we, uh, we definitely have produced
some things that I'm very proud of.
Yeah.
And that would not have happened without, without
having this show.
Right.
Right.
I mean, I think the background are kind of like.
The, the line, like the voice of the show.
And I think like you really succinctly nailed it
with like that, like we love you, but fuck that asshole.
Right.
Like that.
Like us having that voice in the car community.
You know, and I'm, I'm very thankful for that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Happy 10 anniversary.
10.
Yep.
10.
I think, I think 10 is 10.
And I just know that from the new girl episode where,
uh, Schmidt and Nick were celebrating 10 years
of their friendship and Schmidt called it 10 affinity.
Yeah.
There you go.
We're going to have to hide some tin in the car.
Yeah.
Just a bunch of aluminum pull tabs.
Right.
Uh-huh.
So yeah.
Um, 10 years, man.
Wow.
Wanted to call that out.
Cheers.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I don't have a sweet beverage this evening,
but water will do.
Hydrate everybody.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
What do you want to talk about, man?
Yeah.
Um, let's do some Mount Carmore.
Okay.
10 years in.
We're still introducing new segments.
Yes.
Yes.
Boi.
I got it.
I got to tell you.
I think Jesse and Johnny brought some fucking heat.
Brian, our buddy Brian brought something.
Okay.
So we're going to start with that.
Brian.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Let me get back to the voicemail.
Brian.
Okay.
Mount Carmore.
Late Malays era.
GMC.
Okay.
Interesting.
1988.
Chevrolet.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
The sports car.
The Cavalier Z24.
Oh, okay.
This was the, the high school and Brian called us out in his text, the high school parking
lot hero.
For sure.
Right.
Yeah.
Many a reverse donut was done in this car.
Right.
Yeah.
Z24.
Let me pull it up on the Google.
Yeah.
I want to see an 88 specifically because I mean, if you're as old as we are, you
have this in your mind.
Like you can just see this car.
Right?
Yeah.
Like the ground effects being a different color.
Yeah.
Typically silver, I think.
I will say, I don't, I think it has aged better.
Mm hmm.
These were not good cars.
No, they were not.
They were not.
They were, they were the car that like a high school kid thought was awesome.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brian.
And these were when I, so I mean, I'm not this old, but like when I was in
high school in Michigan in like the late nineties, these were everywhere
and they were made of rust.
Yes.
Yes.
They were.
Yeah.
They were 10 years old and ruined.
Looks like.
There you go.
Yes.
Huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
So, you know, yeah.
It caught looking back, you know, okay.
I saw a Chevy Beretta the other day and I was like, is that a fucking
Beretta?
Yes, it is.
Like out loud to myself in my car.
Okay.
So this was the sports car.
Yes.
This is the sports car.
Okay.
All right.
So then for the, um, sedan.
I mean 1988 Chevy sedan.
Chevy Caprice.
Right.
Right.
You know, yeah.
Oh, I know.
Right.
This is the late malaise.
Although I have to say, I really liked the Malibu of this
generation.
I knew a kid in high school that had to go to high school
and I knew a kid in high school that had one.
Okay.
Yeah.
And like when you make that sedan a two door, it looks so good.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
Okay.
Pick up Chevy S10, but a very specific spec.
Single cab, short bed, strip model, iron Duke powered five
speed.
No AC, no power steering, no power windows, no horsepower.
Just get in and go slow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, the SUV, a K5 Blazer.
Mm hmm.
And there you go.
That rounds it out.
This is the, this is captures the mood.
Yeah.
The rust belt in 1988.
Yes.
Sure.
Yes.
The client, the decline of the Midwest in a, in a, in four
cars.
Yes.
Yes.
And we can just imagine the cassette tapes, like rattling
around in the cars with this.
Right.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Like your sister's single, like that she makes you play when
you drive her to dance practice.
Yeah.
Also, I mean, I can smell the interiors of all these cars.
Oh yeah.
You can.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
Those like, uh, the Caprice, like the bench seats.
Yeah.
Us having to like ride in the middle.
GM Maroon.
Yes.
Interior.
Yeah.
That the velvet, right?
Mm hmm.
Uh huh.
Just such a specific smell.
It is.
It is.
And like the feel of that like chunky armrest in the
center.
Right.
Right.
Like, like never quite goes down to the seat surface.
It always like kind of like is just a little bit cocked up.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Yeah.
That's like when you like, when you see a Zillow listing or
something that's not updated and they have like wood paneling in
the basement and you can just, you have those sense memories of
that stuff, right?
Totally.
Yeah.
Oh, grandma's house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Also like it really smacks into those like nostalgia posts of
like, this is what people think the nineties look like.
And it was like the cool like white with like the neon
stuff.
And it's like, no, this is what it actually looked like.
And they show like the wood paneling and, you know,
like what it really looked like in the nineties.
Yeah.
So thank you, Brian.
Yeah.
That was a, that was a journey down memory lane.
I only, I've never driven any of those cars.
I don't think I've even ever driven an S10.
I think I've driven, I've never driven an 88 Caprice.
Okay.
And I don't think I've driven a Blazer, but I've driven a
Cavalier for that era and I've driven a, an S10 from that
era.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Now do you want to know what the right GM answer is?
I would love to.
I mean, I said 1963.
Well, Johnny.
Okay.
Oh, we, okay.
We kind of knew Johnny would come in with a good GM
answer.
Our buddy Johnny, we love you, Ian.
Okay.
And I can't believe I overlooked this.
Okay.
All right.
What do you want first?
SUV truck, luxury or sport, sports car?
Give me the truck first.
Okay.
This is 1993.
Okay.
Okay.
The truck GMC Typhoon.
Right.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Zero to 60 in 5.3 seconds, you know, blah, blah,
blah.
Okay.
You can guess what the SUV is.
It's the Cyclone.
Right.
This is the other way around.
Right.
Cyclone was the truck and the Typhoon was the SUV.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Yes.
Typhoon is the SUV.
Cyclone is the truck.
Yes.
Right.
Okay.
Right.
Okay.
Sports car.
A 1993 Corvette, of course.
And for the luxury car, a 1993 Cadillac Coupe de Ville.
I think this is early North Star era.
Yeah.
1993 Coupe de Ville.
Oh, no.
This is not North Star era.
Oh, wait.
This is the 4.9 liter V8.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think this is pre-North Star.
I can't remember exactly which engine.
And I do like, oh yeah, people are looking on,
like asking on Reddit if they should buy one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So this is pre-Cadillac trying to go after newer buyers.
This is still,
Yes.
They're targeting greatest generation buyers.
Yes.
Yes.
Our grandparents.
Yes.
They started to target the younger generation with the trucks and the GMC Chevy lineup,
but Cadillac, like they definitely were targeting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're not even the boomers yet.
No.
They're not buying these cars.
No.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this is the sudden turn.
They were tracking boomers with the STS.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Right?
Yeah.
And was the El Dorado after that?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Because it had that one.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think I would take the Cyclone Typhoon pair over the Toyota 98.
Toyota 98 offerings.
Okay.
I don't think I would take either of the other two.
Right.
I would not take the Typhoon over the LX, but I would definitely take a Cyclone over
at Tacoma.
Okay.
So one for four for you and two for four.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think if you're doing GM in the 90s, I think that this, I would be really
interested to see if anybody else could do a better GM in the 90s.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
So I can't believe I didn't even think about the Cyclone when I was going through potential
things.
Yeah.
So.
Well, we also had some answers on Blue Sky.
Oh, wait.
Did you get through the ones that you had?
I have one from Jesse.
And this doesn't quite meet the criteria, but you know what?
It's Jesse.
We love her and she just wins with this one.
Okay.
She says, it's a stretch by the Dave criteria, but my Mount Carmore is the 1991 Nissan Pike
series.
Oh, greatest four car lineup ever produced by a single manufacturer.
And for anybody who doesn't know, the Nissan Pike series is the bespoke vehicles that
they made in 1991, the retro vehicles like the Nissan POW, the Nissan Figaro, the S-cargo.
And I can't remember the other one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
B1.
You know what it is?
I think so.
Yeah.
Let me look up Nissan Pike.
Yeah.
These are, that is a great answer because I was trying to, I was going to, I kind of
talked about that too.
It's sort of the same thing as like the Uppsall Golfs with the Uppsall 2CVs, like you can do
with that too, right?
That's a great answer.
Yes.
So yes, you don't have a truck, but you do have an S-cargo that is freaking adorable
and a Nissan POW that my wife is still obsessed with the Nissan POW.
She wants one so bad.
They're so cool.
Yeah.
And a Figaro.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Figaro of how she would probably lose her mind if she saw a BE1 or B1.
Right.
Yeah.
So, there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Okay.
Yeah.
I love that.
Thank you, Jesse.
I love that.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
We also had some responses on Blue Sky.
Yeah.
Let's get into them.
We had two responses that I want to highlight, both of them first.
I see you have one flying for do this first.
Let me pull that one up.
Okay.
Ten years in, I can tell.
Which one do you want to do first?
When you type the thing that says do this one first.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So, 2012 Renault Nissan Mitsubishi Alliance and it says y'all have been keeping me up
at this.
So, we're done.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
So, that was a weird time in Nissan Renault Mitsubishi history.
I mean, yeah, you're kicking ass with a GTR and an EVO and I think an X-Tera is pretty
bad ass for the Nissan SUV.
If I'm picking a Nissan SUV, it's going to be an X-Tera, you know?
And then the, I don't know what this, like, the giant Mitsubishi, like, Max truck, like
the, like, basically like industrial truck.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, you can haul like landscaping with this.
Yeah.
Right.
Yes.
So, that is good.
That is very good.
It is good.
All right.
Let's apply the tests.
1998 Toyota.
Is there anything here you would take over what you have in Toyota?
I would take potentially the GTR over a Supra because my love for Nissan Skyline lineage cars
runs very, very deep.
Thank you, Gran Turismo.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would agree.
The EVO versus LS thing, I think, is interesting because it's not like, I don't know if that's
what I want out of a sedan.
I think I would take both the GTR and, well, I think, I don't know if I would take the GTR
over the Supra.
Okay.
I think I would take the Supra, but I would take the EVO.
Oh, okay.
So, I would, I would only do the EVO instead of the LS.
Okay.
And then I would take, I would keep the Supra.
Huh.
Okay.
Hmm.
There's nothing in here that's comfortable.
Nope.
Nope.
Not a single one.
The Supra would be my most comfortable car.
That would be your most posh ride.
Yeah.
I'm proud of that.
Yeah.
I know who you are.
Yeah.
None of the, no one else in my family would be.
No.
That is, that is a choice, Ian.
I, I love you.
I love you so much.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
And then the next one is from the same person, DAC 1663.
I think that this one is coming straight at you to say that Toyota had a better year in
1998.
And I'm not sure that he's wrong.
I, I am sure he's wrong about the FJ Cruiser.
I can tell you that I've never liked those.
I don't think that they're, I mean, you know, like, yes, you have all the customization and
stuff like that, but you take an FJ to an LX, I'm taking an LX, but God damn it.
Do you have a great point about the LFA and the LS, that generation LS is pretty great
too.
Yeah.
And the Tundra instead.
Lexus, LX look like, yeah, that's not bad either.
Yeah.
So maybe if you change that to LX, yeah, I, I think so.
I still, I, I still like that twin headlight, like late nineties arrow look one more.
For sure.
Um, because LFA, would that be enough to drag it?
Oh, God.
And that's a good generation Tacoma too.
Uh, that's actually a Tundra.
That's the big boy.
Oh, is it the Tundra?
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I think you're right.
Um, yeah, the Tundra.
Yep.
Yep.
So yeah, I know you can get the huge engines and do all the like, the towing and stuff
like that that you want from the Tundra.
And I've, I've written in them, I've never driven them.
I know that they are nice trucks.
Um, boy, yeah.
Yeah.
Boy, Dak, the LFA.
I mean, I'm taking an LFA over a Supra.
I just have to, right?
I have to.
I want an LFA so bad, Ian.
Yeah.
I want one so bad.
Oh.
What about the rest of these?
The 2012 LS?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I love those.
Like the 2012, I think that that was the first year of the, of the 2012.
I have a 2008.
It goes, I think the 2012 to 17 is the generation after mine.
And yeah, so, um, yeah, I love those.
They're great.
Yeah.
I don't know if I don't know if I would want a Tundra over a Tacoma.
I'm kind of with you.
I think I would go, I would want, I think if this was the 2012 Tacoma
and the 2012 LX, I think it's better than 98.
Than what, the 98?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Like, I think that, and maybe, maybe the Supra,
maybe I'm talking myself out of this with the Supra.
But I think that one of the things that appeals to me about the 98 Toyota lineup
beyond the Supra is I feel like it's not that far out of reach for me.
Right?
Like I have an LS, right?
Right.
But that's not your criteria.
No, it's not.
It's not.
I'm just kind of like telling you like why I think it might like resonate a little bit
more.
Like why am I kind of just feel a little bit more drawn to it?
Right?
But like when it comes to like best, like, yeah, I think this might be a better year
than 1998.
I mean, the LFA, like Jesus, right?
But you had to be invited to buy one.
Right.
And you could only lease it first, right?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think that like the exclusivity and kind of like the unobtainium of the LFA
might kind of like, might work against it in this, in this instance, in the, in the
kind of Mount Carmore.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm going to be thinking about this one a lot.
Yeah.
I want an LFA so bad.
I think that was intriguing, I think.
Yeah.
I want an LFA so bad, Ian.
Yeah.
We all do, Dave.
Not everybody.
Well, then if everybody wants one, then nobody can have one.
That's kind of how it works.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, what?
That was one of the few super cars that still sat unsold on dealer lots for like,
I don't know.
Yeah.
Like it was like Volkswagen Fiatons and Lexus LFA's.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
The hand class meme.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
And personally, I love the look of the LFA.
I think it is amazing.
I know it's kind of wonky, but like, I dig it, man.
I know it started the whole like spindle, you know, trend for Lexus,
which we've talked about in very early episodes of the show.
But yeah, the LFA, God.
I've seen one in real life.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I mean, it was in flight.
It was going the other way when my wife and I were driving through
like San Andreas, California.
No, man.
That's so cool.
It was.
I don't think I've ever seen one.
It was Peach.
That's awesome.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the seriousness that you had in your eyes like,
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just Googling Peach LFA right now just to see.
Yeah.
It was like a peach-ish color for sure.
Yeah.
It wasn't like that dark orange.
It was definitely on the peach side.
So that's really cool.
Right?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Um, okay.
All right.
All right.
So existential crisis that you're going to have later aside.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I would.
Yeah.
Please Calgon take me away from this existential crisis.
Um, all right.
Well, this one is called.
Who let all these daddies in here?
Yeah.
You're getting over with daddies.
Yeah.
Okay.
Just a bunch of jorts and opinions about smoked meats.
No, these are, these are daddies.
Oh, daddies.
Okay.
Okay.
Got you.
As the children say, Zaddies.
Zaddies.
Okay.
Not, not DILFs.
Certainly not.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, yeah.
So that's what this one's called.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see here.
Oh, you searched.
I searched the image.
Yeah.
Search.
God damn it.
Google.
I don't want to do that.
Just open the thing.
Okay.
Here we go.
Okay.
So we have a maroonish red GMC Yukon.
Up top.
We have a, what is this?
What even is this?
Is this a Ford F-150, 250 something?
I don't know what the...
I think it's a Chevy.
Yeah.
I don't know.
A truck.
Right?
And then we have a Porsche Cayenne S.
In brownish tan beige.
And the license plates.
Big Papa, BG, PO, PPA.
Chazz Daddy, C-H-A-Z, D-D-Y, Chazz Daddy.
And then Daddy Pig, P-I-G, D-A-D-Y, P-I-G.
I am instantly jumping to a conclusion that Daddy Pig is going on the unknown truck
because the person that drives it is gross.
They have a bunch of stickers on there.
I don't know what...
Something like Bang Local Milfs BLM, a fake taxi sticker,
just all the gross dude stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, they stole an Albertson's hand basket.
The thing that strikes me about this picture,
other than the aftermarket taillights,
which is fucking of course,
is that there is no tailgate on this truck.
Correct.
And there is a lot of unsecured cargo,
including a fucking floor jack.
Yes, a floor jack.
Which ends up in somebody's windshield.
Yeah.
Floor jacks are fucking heavy,
and they're on wheels.
So if you put it in the bed of your truck, guess what happens?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
So yeah, I'm going to put the Daddy Pig on this one.
Can we agree that it's okay,
encouraged even to take milk crates,
but not hand baskets from stores?
Oh, can you take milk crates?
I mean...
I don't think I've ever seen one out.
You never stole the milk crate from a grocery store?
You've never had a milk crate?
No, I agree.
I agree with your point.
Milk crates are a fungible resource.
Yes, they are a community.
I agree.
Just like cardboard boxes.
Yes.
Milk crates and cardboard boxes, fungible resource.
You should never pay for either of them.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
But the hand baskets from the grocery store, nobody needs those.
Correct.
Yes.
Yeah.
Just get the Harbor Freight Toolbag or something else.
Right.
Okay.
I mean, he had one and then it flew out the back.
You're right.
You're right.
Yeah.
So we're going Daddy Pig on this dude.
Okay.
Yeah, you would never think a woman was driving this truck.
Like, this is a gross dude truck.
I love the dudes that just need to scream at you
that they're heterosexual.
Love that so much.
It's nice.
You know?
Yes.
You're like...
I don't want to talk you out of...
Yeah, I am loath to ever talk you out of one of your selections.
Okay.
But I just want to ask you a question about your selection,
which is, in your experience with this sort of gentleman,
are they usually self-aware enough to call themselves a pig?
I think that sometimes, yes, they are.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I think that that's like the...
These are dudes that loved Dennis Leary and Dennis Miller
back in the day.
Right.
They're like, yeah, all the wrong reasons.
Yes.
Like, for the wrong reasons, yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Right?
And I do think that like that, like them taking back the pig term
or maybe they do a bunch of barbecuing.
Right?
Who knows?
They have a trailer hitch.
Maybe they have a smoker that they haul around.
I don't know.
Okay.
So that could be something.
But...
Okay.
Yeah.
I can't really see Daddy Pig on any of the other two.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
The Yukon XL with the Denali package.
That's a baller car, right?
That's a step down, a step adjacent to an Escalade.
Yeah.
I'm going big papa on that.
Okay.
I'm going Chas Daddy on the Porsche.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
So there you go.
All right.
Well, the answer is in the Dave don't look folder.
Okay.
Oh my God.
Big Papa.
Okay.
I had that one right.
Big Papa, right?
You got the other two wrong.
But Chas Daddy is on the truck.
Pita saw that one.
So thank you Pita for sending that in.
Yeah.
Daddy Pig on the Porsche.
Wow.
Now I suspect with the Porsche.
So Pig is a slang term for Porsche in like Porsche guy circles.
No way.
Okay.
Oh, there was like that Porsche livery with the like the butcher.
Okay.
Gotcha.
I bet that there is another Cayenne running around with Mama Pig.
Oh, man.
I think these are his and her Porsche's and I only have,
I don't have the full set.
Okay.
Yes.
You got like Pokemon.
You got to catch them all.
Yeah.
That's what I think.
I think you're right.
I think we need you back out in them streets.
I mean, Eric helped Eric and I together got the jerk trifecta.
Yeah.
Let's see if you can get the pig trifecta, the hat trick there.
I have two sets of plates right now that I have the same text from two different states.
Okay.
And I want a third one for both of them.
Okay.
Because I have, I have the same thing.
I have the same text, two different cars.
I need a third and we've done this before.
I'm going to take my headphones off and turn my head.
You're going to say yours into the mic.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I need beavers, like the animal beavers.
Okay.
And I need as you, no, wait, no.
And I need as you wish, like as in the catchphrase from a princess.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
Okay, Dave.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm just going to unplug my, oh, I'm going to mute my speaker.
If you just, if you just do figures in the ears,
I will just say it the word and that's it.
Bicycle.
I muted my speaker so I extra can tell.
Well, I'll never hear it because I don't listen to this show.
Yeah.
I've stopped as well.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, let's see if we can get the third piece of those plates for sure.
So yeah, if you have those, send them, if you have Dave's text it.
720-515-1391.
Yeah.
And if you have mine, get it to me on Blue Sky, maybe in Scram.
Yeah.
Do that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Can you send DMs in Blue Sky yet?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Okay.
Nice.
I'm going to give all my personal email address on the show.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think we pretty much did a car show.
We did.
It was like a week to.
Oh.
Oh.
People showing up at 920-80.
Yeah.
My brain is broken thinking about the 2012 versus 98 Toyota Lexus lineup.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I've got to think about that a lot.
I want an LFA so bad.
Can someone just give me an LFA?
I think that'll definitely happen.
Okay.
We're going to go back to 2000, in the year 2000.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh-huh.
And we're going to go Dove's Lost Search.
Yeah.
Okay.
I needed like a little like something just like bright sounding.
Yeah.
And I love the song.
It's the single off this album and I'm basic, but Catch the Sun is like one of my
favorite songs of like this era.
Sure.
And like just full stop.
And like if I ever need just something a little, a little brighter, that's my,
that's my kind of go to.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nice.
There's a bunch of new music that I need to catch up on.
There's like a new Idols soundtrack that they did.
There's a new, um, there's a new, uh, the new L.
Michael's Affair Records must be good.
I just have a new record out.
So I'm way behind on new music, but I've been listening to this instead.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Sometimes you just need something from that era.
Yeah.
Right.
I, I heard, um, the Totie song on a episode of Reacher, like around the lake tonight.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was like, God damn, that song is just so freaking great.
That whole first Totie's record fucking rips.
It's great, right?
It holds up really well.
Yeah.
It does.
It does.
Like, and like it, they were so much more than a one hit wonder, you know, right?
No, that whole record is awesome.
It is.
It's really good.
Yeah.
So, but like there's something about like that, like late nineties, 2000 era that like,
you know me, I'm a turn of the century kid, but like sometimes you do just need something
from there.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is one of my favorites from that era.
Check it out.
Nice, man.
Nice.
I'll give it a spin for sure.
Nice.
Um, everybody, 720-515-1391 Apex adjacent at Gmail.
Thank you.
We love you.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
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