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531-Van Man Ian Radios In From Cheeseland

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Chrysler Pacifica

The Chrysler Pacifica is a minivan that is great for families because it has a lot of space inside. It's comfortable and has lots of features that make it easy to use.

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Lexus RX 450h

The Lexus RX 450h is a fancy SUV that uses both gas and electricity to run, making it more efficient. It's known for being comfortable and reliable, which is why many people like it.

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BMW X5

The BMW X5 is a high-end SUV that is sporty and comfortable. It has powerful engines and lots of tech features, which makes it a favorite for people looking for a luxury vehicle.

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Lexus RX 450h Plus

The Lexus RX 450h Plus is a type of SUV that uses both a regular gas engine and an electric motor. This helps it use less fuel and produce fewer harmful emissions compared to traditional vehicles.

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Lexus RX 350h

The Lexus RX 350h is a type of SUV that uses both gas and electric power to drive, making it more efficient than regular gas-only vehicles.

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plug-in hybrid

A plug-in hybrid is a car that can run on electricity and gas. You can charge it at home or at charging stations, which helps save on gas.

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Porsche Cayenne

The Porsche Cayenne is a high-end SUV that offers a mix of luxury and sporty driving. It's designed for people who want a spacious vehicle but still enjoy a fun driving experience.

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Volkswagen Rabbit

The Volkswagen Rabbit is a small car that is fun to drive and easy to park. It's a good choice for people who want something affordable and practical.

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Porsche Cayans

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BMW 5 Series

The BMW 5 Series is a luxury car that is designed for comfort and performance. It has many high-tech features and is known for being fun to drive.

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four-cylinder engine

A four-cylinder engine has four parts that create power for the car. It's often used in cars to save fuel while still providing enough power to drive well.

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Lexus GSF

The Lexus GSF is a sporty version of the Lexus GS, designed for better performance and handling. It has a strong V8 engine and special features that make it more fun to drive.

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I am coming to you live, not live, from my rental Chrysler Pacifica.

Wait, you're, you're...

You're, you're...

My dad just said hi.

Hi.

Hi, Dave.

Hi, Eric.

Hello.

How's your new Lexus?

I want to go up there.

I'm going to come out there and drive it.

You're going to come out, you're going to come out here and ride in it.

Just to drive it.

Okay, bye dad.

Rolling the window now.

Remind me to discuss supercar etiquette or car etiquette later.

Yes.

So, I'm in Wisconsin.

Uh-huh.

With my family.

Yup.

For, uh, for Christmas.

Um, and I am out in the, uh, rental minivan because of that.

So, you're sitting in the driveway actually running a Chrysler Pacifica.

Yes.

In my defense, it is 16 degrees outside.

Uh-huh.

So, it's cold.

This is the...

Uh, I have my sea heater on.

This is the least green episode we have ever recorded.

Correct.

We can measure the carbon footprint of this episode.

Yeah.

It's not good.

Right?

Like all of the driving that we've done and talked about, no.

Like, yeah.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

It's bad.

I do like your eyes occasionally shifting to track your dad.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Suddenly there's things to do out in the driveway.

Uh-huh.

It is 9.30 p.m.

Um, Dave, I do right off the top of the bed, right off the top of the show though.

I do want to talk to you about something because I have a specific concern for you.

Okay.

Which is, you know, you've, over the years on this show, you've definitely represented

a particular worldview politically.

Okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

And I'm, I'm worried that you have been, uh, deceiving all of us, actually.

I'm worried that you've been deceiving us a little bit because I just want to point

out your wife just got a new car.

She did.

She replaced her Lexus RX with a BMW X5.

Welcome to the world of long car model names.

So she had a 2017 Lexus RX 450H, right?

Uh-huh.

Okay.

The top tier RX at the time, 39,000 miles on a 2017.

Okay.

10 years old.

Only less than 40,000 miles on it.

Crazy.

She traded it in.

Okay.

And she got the BMW.

Okay.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Yeah.

So here we go.

Get ready.

And I've had to type this.

I typed this out tonight and I was mad at typing it.

It is the BMW X5 X drive 50 E.

Oh.

Yes.

Okay.

So it is the plug-in hybrid, which you and I drove that drive train in a five series

back in the day.

Remember that?

Yes.

Yeah.

I do remember that.

Yeah.

In an X5, it is a 2025 with 18,000 miles on it, so it's pre-owned and it fucking rips.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

But back to more important things, my bit, which is that you've been misrepresenting

your politics all these years.

And I know now, we know now what your real outlook is, because if you inspect your garage,

I just want to point out, your garage is the access powers.

It is Italy.

Yeah.

Germany.

Uh-huh.

Japan.

You have the access powers in your garage right now.

Not the good guys, Dave.

Not the good guys.

I don't know if you knew that or not.

You studied up on history at all.

Well, I'm just trying to get this show like some new, some fresh listeners, like you know.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

We're doing a heel turn.

We're going for a heel turn.

Just a bunch of black rifle, coffee, company, t-shirt, nine line wearing dudes.

Yeah.

Oh, hold on a second.

I'm going to change from heated seat to cooled seat.

Yeah, there we go.

Just to keep it fresh for you, junk, just to kind of.

Yeah.

Just going to, I'm going to alternate throughout the show.

Listeners will remember our button pushing episode.

Since Ian is actively in a car right now, he has all the buttons to push.

I am really trying not to push the buttons right now.

I appreciate yourself control.

If you did like a top of like all the processes that I'm running in my brain, the don't push

buttons, Damon would be like real high up there.

It's consuming all the membrane and CPU.

All of it.

Yeah.

I like that you're eating your own page file.

Yeah.

That's exactly right.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

Well, at some point I would like to re-nice that process and let it go wild for a minute.

This is a joke that our buddy Mark gets and probably that's about it.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

I mean, I'll like our whole show, a joke for three people.

Um, so tell, so Ian, yes, I, I have landed on the wrong side of history with my garage.

My, so my wife has, she kind of recognized that she was chasing something because she

was, she's been obsessively looking at cars for, I'm going to say about two or three months

now.

I mean, like daily hours a day kind of thing.

So smash cut like rewind to a year ago.

She actually places an order for the new RX 450H plus the plug-in hybrid version of what

she has today.

Um, we test drove one and it was, it was better, right?

But she ended up canceling the order and kind of like kicking back and then like, then the

searching like really ramped up again.

And she, she, I, when I took my GSF up to get the alignment done and kind of like that

after I brought it back to standard height, um, OEM height, uh, to have like the alignment

and that stuff done, um, I had a Lexus RX 350H and so like the smaller engine, but with

the plug-in hybrid or H plus, whatever, right?

Plug-in hybrid and dude, that thing, well, I think that's the sweet spot for that car.

Like the power train just like worked.

It worked great.

Like it actually like wafted away from a stop better than her car with a V six and, uh,

you know, uh, like, uh,

and the battery.

Yeah.

Right.

And so I came home and I was like, like, you're going to kind of have to drive this.

Like you're going to want to drive this.

And so that kind of kicked off the spark again.

Right.

And so she was going, you know, she wanted to stay in, in the Lexus field because she's

just so, you know, the reliability and like, you know, a well-appointed interior is clutch

for her.

Those are her top priorities.

But I think as she was kind of thinking about things, she kind of realized that she was

looking for something more engaging.

And so we went down the rabbit hole of like use Porsche Cayans.

Like we were, we were going there, dude.

Right.

Like it was like, well, let's at least drive one.

Right.

And we, we didn't because like even the use Cayans for what she'd want to pay and all

of that stuff, it just, the math wasn't math thing very well.

Right.

As you can imagine, and new Cayans and McCons are fucking expensive.

Right.

They're crazy expensive.

Yeah.

They really are.

Right.

And yeah, they're cool cars, but man, yeah.

Like she just, she didn't want to pay that kind of money.

You know, and so maybe about a month ago, I had brought up the, the X5 with the plug

in hybrid drivetrain.

And, uh, and I remembered you and I driving that five series and loving

like the power delivery, right?

Yeah, it was really good.

Right.

Like way better than we thought it would be.

And like, oh shit, like people need to take notice.

Right.

And she initially just ruled the X5 out just on looks alone.

She was just like, I don't like the way it looks.

Fair.

Who does.

Right.

I don't think BMW likes the way it looks.

Right.

And so she ruled it out.

Um, but she just kind of kept, she kept digging in and we, like, uh, what was it

Saturday?

Um, just, yeah, just this last Saturday, just a few days ago, I was like, you know

what, like there's a couple pre-owned, uh, X5s at this dealer down in Littleton at

Shomp, um, I was, I was like, I'm going to edit this video that I'm going to get

to Ian, right?

I'm going to edit that.

I'm going to, and then I'll make sure that they're available and then we'll

go test drive one, right?

She's like, okay.

Yeah.

You know, cause we were talking about like all the, the driving feel and the

dynamics and the weight and just everything, you know, cause she's, she just, she

knows she wants more.

Right.

And Lexus is not lexicing it enough with like the RX.

Right.

They, like the interiors are not as good as they should be.

The power delivery is clunky.

The, there are four cylinder engines across the board now.

And it just, it doesn't feel like a Lexus should, like it doesn't feel like my

GSF, right?

Like, like where, like you truly, and it didn't feel like my LS, right?

You know, like where you truly feel like, yes, this is the best luxury car.

This is like outside of a Bentley or a Rolls-Royce.

This is what I want and it's going to keep running, right?

Yeah.

And so we, we called and I talked to one of the dealers at, at Shove, like

his name is Hadar.

Um, and what, uh, both of what we were looking at was available as a 2024 and a

2025 2024 had like a brown, uh, a two-tone leather interior, like with the

brown on the front of the seats and the black for everything else.

My wife, like the black interior on the 2025 better, similar mileage, 17K and 18K.

Um, so we went down there and we were like, okay, let's, like I texted the dealer and

I was like, yeah, you know, we're going to be there at, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Can you make sure it's plugged in and has charge, right?

Like plug in hybrid, right?

Needing that charge to like, you fully get the driving experience, right?

Right.

Um, and so like, yeah, he was like, yep, on it, you know, got there, had the charge.

We went for like a six, seven mile test drive and she was, and she was like, okay,

like, I think, I think I want to go test drive the 450 H plus one more time and then

I'll come back and while we were there, somebody like while she was kind of

thinking through some things, um, well, then she was like, no, no, no.

I think I'm going to get this, right?

She dug it.

She dug the way it feels.

She dug the interior is great, right?

And while we were like starting to kind of like talk to the dealer about it,

somebody else came and asked for the keys for that car and he was like, oh no, like

they got here first.

Like it was this couple that actually like walked in right in front of us.

But like after we had done the test drive and like they, they were there to look at

the same car, but we had dibs.

And so like, like the dealers like even compared like when we called like, you know,

and to truly give it like first, you know, and it was awesome.

It was like, like after I edited that video, I called, you know, like no, no, like time

urgency in my head, but yeah, that was the car she bought.

And that's awesome.

So she has a, you know, a one year old X5 and she has all the fucking maintenance plans

and service plans you can get for it.

I was going to ask, I was going to ask if she got like the extended warranty and all that.

Yes.

So we have like four years of basically bumper to bumper BMW.

The way that BMW does it is they're, they're like four or five year warranty only covers

the engine and transmission.

That's all.

Like they're like, like dash wiring harness, all that.

They're like, no, like we didn't make it.

We're not covering it, which is insane, you know, but yeah.

So you have to, you have to buy like service plan stuff if you want, if you're worried

about having to replace parts and things like that.

So not that you ever would with a BMW, but.

No, never.

Hold on a second.

I'm just going to go back to heated.

Okay, there we go.

Like two, like, I don't know.

Maybe like two weeks ago, I stumbled across one of those Instagram posts.

It was like, um, make the comments section look like a BMW owner search history.

It was like all kinds of stuff.

Like what's this rainbow under my car?

And what's this flashing green light above my gauges?

Oh my God.

I love those posts.

So, so Ian, I'm the only Lexus owner in the house.

Right now, that's true.

Yeah, true.

But dude, the car is awesome.

It rides so well.

You can dial in like the individual sport mode, keeping the suspension comfort throttle

and all that stuff.

You can see, you can do all that.

And, uh, yeah, dude, it's a cool car.

Now you did text me that it has the same zero to 60 time as your GSF.

Yes.

Well, I mean, a tenth of a second.

Like they reviews have varied.

People have said they've gotten 4.2 zero to 60 in the X5.

That's crazy.

I know.

But it's, I mean, that's what plug-in hybrids do.

So, so hers has the inline six turbocharged and the hybrid assist.

Yeah.

Right.

Are when are you going to race them?

Because I feel like you need to race them at some point.

That's what Peter said.

He said he wanted to be the fly girl that dropped the flag.

And you could just like hold him like, uh, like in dirty dancing.

Yeah.

Holding baby.

I love it.

No notes.

Yeah.

No notes.

Yeah.

I love this plan.

Yes.

So when are we going to race them?

Never.

Ian, we're not going to race our cars against each other.

I mean, you should.

So I, I haven't driven it yet and she hasn't driven the GSF, which is now, I think I'm,

I'm, I think I am fully in on the nickname Walter for my white GSF.

I like it.

Yeah.

I like it.

Walter white.

Yeah.

So yeah.

So I'm the only Lexus owner in the house.

Apparently we're on the wrong side of history with our car purchases.

And the garage has had a massive shake up.

Well, congratulations.

Thank you.

New car, like just new cars just falling from the sky over there.

Dude.

Well, I mean the LS, you know, I needed to swap out the LS getting the GSF was wild.

We'll talk about that, you know, in a little bit.

But yeah, you know, my wife has been looking for a new car for like at least a year.

And it's, it's been really interesting like seeing her kind of like once I kind of like

asked her about like where she felt the weight of the car,

like with the Lexus it being higher and the BMW obviously lower.

She was like, oh yeah, I feel that.

And that makes a difference.

Like she would, she would get these tactical tactile things, not tactical.

She's not a tactic bro.

She get these things and she's so good with like mechanical

feel and like hand-eye coordination stuff.

Like she's truly like, I feel like, you know,

you, Pita, I think I have some of it.

Like we have this like, you know, mechanical hook.

My wife really has it as well.

And like once she kind of knew like the thing behind it, she was like, oh, that's what that is.

I definitely felt a difference.

Right.

I just didn't know why.

Like I like this better.

Right.

Like why am I feeling this thing?

You know.

Yeah.

Having the words to describe what you think is, what feels better is it's a big thing.

Right.

Like I mean, I think about that like when I'm like with jazz.

Okay.

Yeah.

Like I knew what I liked when I heard it, but I didn't know how to describe it to anything.

Yes.

Right.

And so you have to like kind of learn what that, what the things are that you like,

and then you can kind of like describe it and then find other things.

Right.

Yeah.

That means the same way.

Right.

Yeah.

How do you, how do you describe like Ladiobolaco or like the most avant-garde like insane jazz to

somebody like, like, I mean, like listening to Autech or live, like how do you and I explain

that like other than like in kind of like jest, right?

Yeah.

Totally.

I'm sorry.

I'm adjusting the temperature.

It's a little, it's a little, it's a little hot in here.

Little hot.

A little steamy.

Yeah.

It's steamy.

And are you taking off all your clothes?

No.

Not that kind of show, Dave.

Not that kind of show.

Those aren't the listeners we're going for.

I think we should actually go for that audience instead.

Yeah.

What audience exactly is interested in a 40 year old man who looks, who's built like a

teapot undressing in his parents' driveway?

Ian, dude, you're answering your own question.

You know, you know that there's a market for that.

Yeah.

Daddy bear.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

What's a, what's a, what's a bear and a silver fox?

Like how do you, what are you, Ian?

I don't, I wouldn't have this conversation.

With a fantastic head of hair.

Okay.

All right.

Anyway, oh, you're breaking up.

We're going through a tunnel.

I can see the garage door stationary behind you, Ian.

Yeah.

So, so do you think that you have like a formative automotive experience that like,

where, like with music where you were like, oh, I felt this thing, like what is that thing?

Like I want more of that thing.

And where you, like you kind of like learn the why, you know, something like that.

Honestly, I think racing with my dad and when Dwayne joined the team, so Dwayne is his like,

is the, like the crew chief.

Me, I would struggle sometimes to describe

the thing that I was feeling in the car that either I enjoyed or didn't enjoy, right?

Yeah.

Give me an example.

Yeah.

Just like how it felt under braking was always, that was always a big thing with me is like,

how it feels under braking and into corner entry.

And it was always an adventure, like every time it was an adventure.

Inconsistency, right?

Yeah.

For a long time with that car and it made it so you didn't, I didn't have confidence in it.

Right.

And so, but it was talking with Dwayne, who I think had, he had that experience of being

an engineer, a testing engineer, where that's sort of his whole gig is like, you know, I think,

like in my job, I'm talking to people and like extracting, like what it is they're trying to do.

Yes.

What are you trying to do and translating that into like,

you know, something that you can actually design something around.

Right.

And like, yeah.

An automotive engineer is kind of doing the same thing, right?

And they're like, what does it feel like?

And then translating that into an action.

And he was really good at kind of helping me translate from like car feel this way to

an actual like here, this is how you, this is how you should say it.

Okay.

Yeah.

Even scared.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Poop pants here.

And so, so like being able to actually articulate what I was feeling and then getting like

validation that I wasn't, that I was feeling, that I was feeling those things.

Sure.

You know, because then someone else would be like, oh yeah, that make, yeah, that's,

yes, that does, it does do that.

Yeah.

It do be doing that was, that was, that was really big.

So, yeah, there was one weekend in particular, I wrote America where I think it was my first time

there with Dwayne where he, he really took time to talk to me about all that.

And so that was really helpful.

Nice.

Very confidence building experience.

Right on.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

Do you have, do you have like a memorable like experience when you first like

experience like some no shit acceleration in a car or like braking in a car?

Oh yeah.

I mean, I think I did that like super car driving thing many, many, many years ago.

Yeah.

And got to drive the first car I drove was the Nissan GTR.

Yes.

And I was just like, oh, shit.

Right.

Oh.

This is a real thing.

Right.

Because up until then it was numbers on paper.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Just numbers that were better than other numbers on paper.

Right.

Exactly.

What about, what about for you?

Definitely.

My first experience in Nissan GTR was very formative as well.

I think, I think the

the acceleration and gear change I felt way back in the day riding at high planes with

Chris when he had his bosses Ferrari 458 on the track and I was riding passenger seat

in that.

So at high planes doing a full throttle gear change in a Ferrari 458 and

like full throttle change still foot completely in it.

And just how visceral it was that it shook me.

Like, yeah, it's such a weird cocktail of like it almost doesn't feel right.

Like you're getting punched, but like you're like, I want more of that.

Like I like I am I'm different now.

I am different now because of this experience I had.

Like I was sick.

I was sick like a week and a half ago.

Right.

And my wife made me some like homemade chicken noodle soup like one day and it hit so hard.

Like I was like, God, thank you so much.

This is so good.

You know, I'm like, she makes great stuff.

So I'm always, of course, complimentary.

And I was like, no, no, no, you don't understand.

This day there was before soup and there was after soup.

Like that's how much how good this was.

Like it was like it was exactly what I needed.

It was so good.

Like there was there was a soup D mark in the day.

Yeah.

And I think that the feeling the gear change in a 458 was just insane.

Like, yeah.

Yeah.

Feeling how direct Pita's E36 M3 handling wise was like

that that was absolutely a formative thing.

Feeling feeling the McLaren Artura the way it felt special at 10 miles an hour.

Right.

Like, yeah, that whole thing.

And then I have one that that we'll talk about later in the show because I drove

something exotic and different.

Well, tell me what is it?

Okay.

So I so I wrote a thing for shift Colorado.

Right.

I have an article in issue 14.

We'll put a link in the YouTube description.

Brendan Garst was nice enough to invite me to be their Colorado car for issue 14 with my GSF.

And I can share my screen.

They did an incredible like I went out and took they took rollers of my car.

Ian.

It looks so good.

It looks amazing, right?

Like they do such a crazy job with the magazine.

Yeah.

So here's here's the spread.

And I mean, like, look at these rollers, dude.

Like, yeah.

So that like they got some great pictures of my car.

And I I'm so thankful to Brendan for letting me write an article, you know, like,

you know, I don't write much.

And so yeah, it was a really cool experience.

It really did.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I mean, they're the what they do is amazing.

Like I can't speak highly enough of this free magazine that's better than

so much stuff that's out there.

It's on par with road and track, motor trend, all that stuff, you know.

And so we we ended up having to punt on the day and like we were going to do it on a Saturday,

but there was a bunch of snow on the roads.

We did Sunday.

And Brendan has picked up, Ian, if you look in the cars of shift section,

because they do sections on their own cars as well.

Brendan has bought himself a new car, Ian.

Oh, I didn't see that.

It is a McLaren MP412C.

Interesting.

So you need to read shift 13, where he talks about his unfortunate accident

in his Porsche that he had purchased.

And so I'm so thankful that he's okay.

And he wrote a great article about like what he went through with his Porsche

and kind of the experience of the accident.

Highly recommend.

I'm going to put that in the YouTube description as well,

because folks, you just need to read that because it's it's a great article.

And so he he purchased a used McLaren.

And last was it last weekend?

When did I do cars and coffee?

They're all blurring together, Ian.

Yeah, but I took my grandson to cars and coffee.

Oh yeah, like almost a week and change ago down in Castle Rock.

Brendan came down.

We picked up my grandson in my GSF and the McLaren was his favorite colors orange.

He's 14, his favorite colors orange.

And you know, Papi shows up with his new GSF that he's gotten to sit in and rev like crazy.

And like, watch how the needle like, you know, shows you the peak

of where you were revving and stuff.

And I have an orange McLaren and awesome Brendan right behind me.

Right.

Like what 14 year old kid gets to experience that, right?

Yeah, that's really cool.

And so we went to cars and coffee and Brendan was kind enough to throw me the keys to his McLaren.

And wow, I gave him the keys, of course, to the GSF.

And I got to take my grandson for a fucking ride in the McLaren, Ian.

That's so cool.

Okay, so I want to hear how does it how do they compare to the Arturo?

Because obviously this is like a few generations older now than the Arturo and a hard top.

Yeah, so how was how was it different?

You know, the there was a standout thing that like I noticed pretty quick.

And it was that it I have never felt throttle engagement like that.

I've never felt that in my entire life.

Like it truly felt like the throttle was connected to the base of my spinal cord.

Like I was wired into that car.

Like the steering is amazing.

Like the visibility is better than anything in the universe, right?

Like other than the McLaren F1 maybe, right?

But like but the way like the way that that throttle like it felt like I was like doing

like the avatar, you know, ponytail sex with it.

Like it was it was hooked into my nervous system.

Yeah, I will never forget the throttle engagement in that car.

And in this one in this in this one before.

Yes, that I did not feel in the Artura.

Right, I think the build quality in Brendan's is a little bit better.

I think the interior will hold up longer than the Artura.

There was no like wavy embroidery line.

Yeah, I mean, I have a picture of my grandson sitting in it.

Here you go.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, like of course, you know, like everything's carbon.

You know, my grandson freaked out at being able to ride in it.

I like I gave it a couple like really solid like pulls and I looked over at him and I was like,

dude, that wasn't even like a third of the throttle.

And he was like, what?

Like, yeah, so crazy.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, so yeah, like so I've had one of those like landmark experiences recently,

thankfully, yeah, with with with Brendan's McLaren.

And I can't thank Brendan enough for like coming down like hanging out,

giving Declan a ride in a McLaren like, dude, like, yeah, you know, so I'm very fortunate

to, yeah, to know him, to call him a friend.

And yeah, I'm so I'm so thankful that we've crossed paths like us doing our dumb show

and them doing an amazing magazine.

And here we are like Steve going on a drive with us like for episode 50 forever ago, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And it's all led up to this, you know.

So yeah, so that's awesome.

I'm very jealous.

It's very, very cool.

I'm very I've been very curious for a long time about how these would hold up.

Dude, in the second hand market, it's so easy to drive.

It's so approachable.

I didn't feel like I was like, you can tell shit is going on, right?

Like it feels.

Remember how like in your tubo X, your sob tubo X, it almost always felt like there

were gears turning against other gears all the time.

Right.

This feels that way, but good.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

I know what you mean.

Yeah, like just mechanical shit is happening.

Like you're almost sitting inside like a watch, you know.

Yeah.

And it feels great.

It's easy to drive, man.

It's so great.

Yeah.

Really, really enjoy it.

Twin turbo V8.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Okay.

So very cool.

Yeah.

So there you go.

I got to drive a fucking McLaren, man.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

And for anybody who doesn't know, here's how cars and your friends' cars go.

You never, ever, ever, ever ask your friend to drive their car.

You just don't, right?

Like somebody, you just don't ask to drive someone's car

because that puts them in an uncomfortable position, right?

If your friend is comfortable enough with you, they will absolutely offer you the keys.

Like Ian, you are absolutely going to drive my GSF.

Obviously, I felt, you know, comfortable with Brendan.

He's going.

I mean, it is our car.

It is our car.

So you're part owner.

Yeah.

I'll give you one of the fobs, Ian.

No, I won't give you one of the fobs.

I'll give you one of the fobs, but not the garage door opener.

Yeah.

But yeah, you know, so like that's, for anybody who doesn't know,

like if you were just wondering, like, this is like bowling etiquette,

you know, like you don't like step in somebody's eye liner.

Like.

Well, it's, it's, it's like having a cat.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Right.

You can't approach the cat or make it known that you want to approach the cat.

Right.

But if you act, but if you act like, oh, I don't, you know,

oh, if the cat comes over, sure, I guess.

Yeah, I'll bet it.

Yeah.

Then it makes it more likely that the cat will come over.

Right.

Exactly.

Right.

Yeah.

I've been able to take some rides in some insane cars,

a Lamborghini Aventador, you know, the Ferrari 458, things like that.

And you just, you just don't want to make somebody else comfortable,

uncomfortable, you know, you don't want to put them in a position where

they feel like they have to say yes or anything like that.

I never want to put somebody in any kind of pressure.

And yeah, somebody, somebody can and wants to let you drive their car.

They absolutely will.

And like for my fiat, I am aggressive about asking people if they want to drive the fiat.

I like, yeah, we just chew your credit.

That's very, the correct thing to do with that car.

But thank you.

Yeah.

Peter's sister was in town.

She drove the fiat.

You know, that's awesome.

Yeah.

I love it.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

So, man, it's a cool, Brendan picked up a cool car, man.

It's, it's really sweet.

Right.

Congratulations, Brendan.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So that's, that's what I've been up to.

I have, I have a bunch of other cool pictures from the cars and coffee.

If you want to see a few of them, anything like that.

But if, yeah, if there was anything else and then I, I had a garage update.

My wife and I saw a very funny vanity plate in a very funny situation that I want to tell you

about.

We didn't get a picture, but yeah.

Okay.

You, you pick it.

Yeah.

You DJ the rest of the show, buddy.

Why don't you tell me about the vanity plate?

Let's do that.

Okay.

So my wife and I were driving, I think we were in the GSF and we were just driving down like,

you know, federal of one of the main streets near us, right?

And there was a cop that had pulled somebody over, a young kid in like an Audi A4 that was

slammed to shit to the ground and had like the big carbon duck bill spoiler.

And they had a vanity plate, Ian.

It said, will WIL run?

Are you in?

Oh man.

Kelly and I were both like, no, you fucking won't.

What a dummy.

Right?

Right.

You know, like, okay, let's say you're a cop and you're going to give somebody a warning.

Right?

Yeah.

You know, and you walk up, you get behind them and you're like, motherfucker,

like if there was any chance of getting a warning out the door with a plate like that.

Absolutely.

Right?

Get the fuck out of here.

Will run.

That's so funny.

I put the note in there like three weeks ago in our talk about this document.

I had like will run though you won't like just in there.

So I wouldn't forget to tell you about it.

Yeah.

That's really funny.

Yeah.

I love it.

So.

Dave, what else do you want to do?

Should we do an album of the week?

Do you want to show me some pictures first?

What do you think?

Yeah.

Let me show you a couple, a couple of pictures because I think you're really going to dig

a few of these cars that were out there.

Okay, Ian.

How do you like this?

Ah, yes.

An old third gen Camaro, they are starting to be a thing now.

Yeah.

And actually, my wife and I are re-watching the Americans, which I don't think we've

ever seen that show.

I haven't.

Yeah.

Very intense.

I don't know if you would like it.

Soft point.

Couldn't take it.

But a third gen Camaro features pretty prominently in that.

Okay.

And as I was watching, I was like, mmm, those are starting to look kind of cool.

Dude, they do.

This one was cool.

My grandson is the one that noticed this across the parking lot.

And he knew exactly what it was.

This is an IROC Z.

And I mean, look how freaking clean this is, dude.

Oh, yeah.

Right?

I mean, look at the body.

This is insane.

Yeah.

That's swapped, huh?

That's an LS.

Yeah, I think so.

Not a small block.

No.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you do rock, buddy.

Yeah.

That sounds cool.

Like a third gen with an LS in it, that probably rips.

Right?

Yeah.

Let's see here.

I made friends with a car.

I don't even know the owner, but look at this little BMW E30.

Ooh.

Uh-huh.

That's amazing.

How much more would you like it if I told you?

Box flares and yellow headlights.

Thank you.

Yes, please.

And let me just, let me just chef's kiss this.

Box flares on the back.

Self-tappered screws.

Yeah.

Right?

Dude.

And then look at, here, I got a better picture of the wheels.

Look at these wheels.

Just the deepest, huge dish, five spoke.

That's an, that's an LS swapped E36 next to it.

That's cool.

Yeah.

But this little guy, this little blue body.

That looks great.

Yeah.

I love that.

And then I got to show you this, this Lambo that we saw because it's a Gallardo.

Yeah.

And they have, they've done like a wrap on like all of the shut points.

So like under the hood and inside the door bits.

And it's all like, it's all money and like, what else is in there?

Like, I can't make it out, but it's all like money stuff, right?

Oh, money and slot machines.

That's what it is, right?

It's really, it's like when there's someone has like a, like a really like

conservative suit coat, but a really gaudy lining.

Yes.

Yeah.

Right.

But Ian, the vanity plate on this.

Uh-huh.

What does it say?

There you go.

One, one small pee pee.

That's great.

That's really funny.

Yeah.

Um, can you go back to the front shot?

Yeah, absolutely.

Is that a Supra?

That's a Supra over there?

Is that one of those?

Yes.

Yeah.

Excellent.

That's awesome.

I do, I do have a picture of the Supra if you want to see the Supra because it looks

really good.

It looks really good.

I want to see a picture of the Supra.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Do you want to see a picture of the Supra?

Of course you want to see a picture of the Supra.

Look at that, buddy.

That's cool.

Right?

So what, what gen is this?

Fourth?

Fifth?

Fifth gen, right?

Because the, yeah.

Yeah.

The Mark IV is the, is the 90s one.

Yeah.

But this was super clean, perfect, perfect fitment stance, all that stuff.

Just super nice.

Oh yeah.

Peta asked if anybody like asked me about the G-S-F while I was at Carson Coffee and I was like,

no, Brendan's McLaren was right next to me.

Nobody gives a shit about a very special Lexus when a fucking McLaren is next to you.

Yeah.

Which is so funny because like, it's one of the rarer cars at that cars in coffee.

Right, right.

I think there were probably fewer G-S-Fs than Gyardos.

Correct, correct.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure of it.

Yeah.

Oh God, they sold a bunch of Gyardos.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Nobody cares about a fancy blue intake manifold when I'm, when freaking McLaren doors are open

next to them.

Yeah.

Totally.

Right.

Yeah.

And guess what?

I'm perfectly fine with that.

Yeah.

I'm going to try to shut off the car.

Here we go.

Okay.

Hopefully.

Okay.

We're still rolling.

Okay.

Nice.

Still attached to the Bluetooth.

Nice.

I do want to show you what they have in the BMW dealership.

Let me see here.

Yes.

Here you go.

So when we were at the BMW dealership.

BMW dealership.

Yes.

Iseta, right?

Yes, Iseta.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

The front, the front open Iseta thing.

Yeah.

That's super cool.

You and I need to like figure out how you and I can like

tour one of these things and do a show from it.

Like with you just pressed against the window.

Well, I'm just hulked into the car.

Yeah.

You in one of those would be very funny.

You would look like Mr. and Incredible.

I would.

Yeah.

So yeah.

Props to the people at the BMW dealer for keeping something like this kicking

around because that rules.

I think it runs because they had a mat underneath it to collect oil and stuff.

Like I think it can move.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

I'm sure they just do that for all BMWs by default.

But I think.

Well, yeah.

I mean, but if this was just a show thing, everything would be drained out of it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, you would think.

But yeah, I'm sure that they, I mean, a lot of those car dealer guys like own weirdo.

Yeah.

You know, old stuff.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

And like that was how like most of the final Lexus LFA's were purchased.

It was because it was like the dealer had purchased it because it sat like,

or a dealer purchased it from another dealer where it had sat for like six years or whatever.

Like, yeah, that's you're right.

Like they buy weird stuff sometimes.

There's a segment of them that absolutely buys weird stuff.

And I asked a few different people there.

Like there was a kid taller than me.

He was maybe like six, seven.

Like, jeez, weighed half of what I weighed.

Like I asked a whole bunch of people there.

I was like, have you ever tried to see if you could fit in the Asceta?

And everybody said no.

Like the fuck do you people not know how to have fun?

Like, absolutely.

As soon as the door shut every night, that's the first thing I would do is sit in the Asceta.

Right.

Absolutely.

I would do my paperwork in that car.

That would be my office.

Yeah, so.

That would be great.

You just invite a customer in.

You're like, here, come on into my office and sign some paperwork.

You can get your business done.

It'd be a good bit.

It would.

Right.

Yeah.

So that's that's some stuff, you know.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's some car stuff more importantly.

Yes, it is some car stuff, Ian.

Um, Dave, would you like an album of the week?

I do need one and I need to know how you and your family have been doing in the Pacifica.

Oh, yeah, the Pacifica.

So I specifically rented a minivan because we were dry.

We decided we made the decision to not fly right from Denver to Wisconsin.

And then we were like, you know what, let's rent a minivan because we were going to

fly and then rent a car.

Sure.

And I was like, you know what, instead of like putting the miles on the Volkswagen

and also like having to pack the Volkswagen with like Christmas presents.

Yes.

And then we come whenever we travel, we always end up shipping home like a huge box of shit.

Right.

And it ends up like increasing our travel budget by like so much because it's so expensive to ship stuff.

Right.

So I was like, you know what?

I think the answer is we just rent a car and just drive it that way.

And so we rented the minivan.

And let me tell you, the kids think this thing is magical.

Yeah.

So enamored with the doors, like the buttons that open and close the doors.

They are your kids.

So they're going to hit every button.

Absolutely.

And and like I could just like I stood in the street and threw all our shit in from a distance

and it all just fit like a task master task.

Absolutely.

You cannot approach the car.

You have to do it from behind a velvet rope.

Exactly.

And it just like it's just good at moving people and a bunch of bullshit.

Great distances, you know, like it's it does what it sets out to do.

It's pretty comfortable.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Is it it's not the plug in hybrid?

It's just the standard Pacifica.

It's not.

It's a standard Pacifica front wheel drive, which may get dicey in a couple of days here.

We'll see.

OK.

But yeah, it's it's been lovely.

I really like a minivan.

Yeah.

For sure.

When we went back to upstate New York, we had two Pacificas.

We had the the raid one of Pacificas.

Yes.

I love it.

Yeah.

Did you race them?

We did not, but we did have a crazy thing happen.

So when we picked up the Pacific, our the Pacifica, my wife and I drove and like her

younger daughter and husband were with us and then the rest of family was in the other Pacifica.

When we picked up ours, there was a bunch of damage on the side.

Like it had gotten side swiped, but not that bad.

Like it wasn't like really pushed in, but it didn't look great.

And like we talked to people there and we were like, OK, like we're taking this car.

Like I made the video like going around like the car is in this shape, right.

And like they tried to file a freaking claim against my wife, who the car was rented in her name,

saying that we damaged the car.

So she had to fight it.

It was a whole thing, but thankfully the rental company did recognize like the video and all

that like they could have pulled like airport security garage footage.

And there is no way you could have hidden this, you know, getting out.

So yeah, but that was that was our Pacifica drama.

That was that was the most drama, right?

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been great.

Yeah. We made a the correct decision.

You did. You did because then like besides shipping stuff like

you're going to have to you're going to have to negotiate with the kids what Christmas gifts

they're going to have to not see for like four days or whatever, right?

As it's getting shipped home, right?

They want all the stuff that they got for Christmas with them, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. So this was this was just way easier.

Absolutely, man. Good call.

Yeah. Yeah.

OK, I got to minimize this.

Hopefully I don't lose my video.

OK, pull up my album of the week.

Yes, let's hear it, buddy.

OK, so this is I think the genre is definitely jazz, but there's definitely like hip hop

and electronic and a bunch of other stuff going on.

OK, it's a guy named Micaiah, M-A-K-A-Y-A McCraven.

OK, an American drummer.

Yeah, the name of the album is Universal Beginnings.

That's his from 2018, but you can't go wrong with any of his records.

OK, and it's just I picked up this record actually today.

I was at a record store and I picked this up and I remember my friend played this for me.

And it's just a really cool, very specific to this guy thing.

So it's a project where he has like electronic, my brother's waving at me,

electronic and jazz and hip hop things all going on at once.

And it's just a really unique project that's very, very cool.

OK, OK. Yeah.

That's awesome, man.

I think you would dig. I think you would dig.

I think I would, too. Yeah, Micaiah, McCraven, Universal Beings.

Yeah, it's definitely more jazzy.

So this is kind of pulling you into more, more jazz.

But I think there'll be things that you can kind of hook into.

Sure, sure.

Well, yeah, links to Micaiah's band camp, Apple Music and Spotify.

And if he has an official page, I'll put that in the YouTube description as well.

Links to Shift Colorado, Issues 13, 14.

Absolutely, download and read all that stuff in the YouTube description as well.

So, yeah. Awesome.

Everybody, send us battery plates.

720-515-1391. Apex adjacent at Gmail.

I'm on Blue Sky.

Anything else?

I mean, this is coming out on Christmas, so Merry Christmas.

Happy Hanukkah.

Merry Christmas.

Happy holidays. All the stuff, right?

Yes, absolutely. Everybody, thank you. We love you. Goodbye.

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