Rusoh Extinguishers is the brand making the fire extinguishers they’re talking about. The big idea is that these are meant to be ready again quickly after use.
The Bugatti Divo is a very expensive, high-performance sports car made in limited numbers. The podcast mentions a group buy, meaning multiple people are coordinating to purchase or obtain them. It’s known for being built to drive hard, especially on a track.
“Light ranger 500” sounds like the specific product being sold in this group deal. The hosts are saying the price per unit comes out to about $53 after the discount.
An area light spreads light out over a wider area. It’s better for seeing what you’re doing up close—like around your truck or inside your tent—rather than shining far down a road.
The Wrangler is an off-road SUV made by Jeep. The podcast mentions Rubicon history, which refers to a special Wrangler version that’s built for tougher trails. It’s popular because it’s designed to handle off-road driving and is widely supported with upgrades.
They’re talking about a special series of episodes they’ve done about the Rubicon. If you’re new to the show, they suggest those episodes as a good place to start.
They mention “Russo crawlers” as a name tied to Russo’s off-road content and builds. It’s basically their way of showing what they’re doing in the rock-crawling world.
Russo Extinguishers is the brand/company making the fire extinguisher they’re talking about. The big deal for off-roading is making sure it’s mounted where you can reach it fast if something goes wrong.
4Wheel Underground is an off-road parts shop. They’re basically saying they carry lots of suspension and under-vehicle parts for common trucks and SUVs used for trail driving.
Super Duty is Ford’s heavy-duty truck lineup. When they say “05 and up,” they mean parts that fit those newer heavy-duty models people often build for off-roading.
“FJ80” is off-road slang for a Toyota Land Cruiser from the 80-series generation. People like it because it’s tough and there are lots of aftermarket parts available.
These are different ways to set up a truck’s suspension using link arms. The goal is to keep the axle moving the way you want so the truck stays stable and keeps traction off-road.
Coilover mounts are the strong points on the truck where the coilover shocks bolt in. If they’re not built right, the suspension won’t work correctly and the truck can get damaged over rough trails.
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cantilevers
Cantilevers are shaped suspension parts that help position or “leverage” the shock and links. They’re used to tune how the suspension feels and how it moves over rough ground.
Custom-tuned coilovers are shocks set up for your specific truck and driving style. The tuning changes how stiff or soft the suspension feels and how well it controls the truck on bumps.
Air bumps are like adjustable “end-of-travel” cushions for your suspension. They help soften the last part of suspension movement so the truck doesn’t slam into hard limits.
Skid plates are protective panels mounted under the vehicle to shield vulnerable components like the oil pan, transfer case, and fuel lines from rocks and trail debris. They’re a common “must-have” for off-road builds because underbody damage can be expensive and dangerous.
KOH (King of the Hammers) is a tough off-road event where trucks and buggies get beat up for long stretches. If an extinguisher is used as an official safety item there, it suggests it’s meant for serious trail/race situations.
They’re focusing on off-road safety gear for the mini-truck crowd—people who build and drive smaller trucks on trails. It’s basically setting up what kind of vehicles and use-cases they’ll talk about.
“Hammers” is the nickname people use for the King of the Hammers off-road event. Saying it’s their third year there implies they’ve been testing and refining their gear based on what happens at the event.
They’re saying the powder can get packed down so tightly that it can’t get out when you need it. That’s why these extinguishers need regular maintenance.
The siphon tube is the internal pickup that draws the extinguishing agent during discharge. If the powder compacts, the siphon tube can’t pull enough agent upward, leading to weak discharge or only a brief “puff” instead of a sustained spray.
They’re describing what happens when an extinguisher doesn’t work right: you get a short burst instead of a real spray. That usually means the powder isn’t moving the way it should inside.
Instead of being pressurized all the time, this type uses a CO2 cartridge that only pressurizes when you trigger it. That can help the powder stay ready to spray when you actually need it.
Some fire extinguishers are always under pressure. This can make them more likely to accidentally discharge or make the powder settle. A non-pressurized design aims to be safer and easier to keep ready for use.
An auger is like a screw inside the extinguisher. When you twist a wheel, it moves the powder around so it doesn’t clump up. That helps the extinguisher stay usable without taking the powder out.
In some places, only licensed people can do certain types of fire extinguisher service. The segment suggests traditional units require more regulated steps. Their design is presented as reducing the need for those licensed internal procedures.
Fire extinguishers need periodic service to make sure they’ll work. Some designs require taking the powder out and doing special work. Here, they’re saying their design can meet the required service equivalent without removing the powder as often.
UL is a safety testing program run by an independent lab. If a product passes UL testing, it means it’s been proven to work safely the way it claims—especially important for life-saving gear like fire extinguishers.
Some fire-safety products aren’t allowed everywhere. California can restrict certain extinguisher types, so what you can buy and carry may depend on local rules.
“Five pound ABC” tells you two things: how much extinguishing agent it has (about five pounds) and what kinds of fires it can handle (ABC). It’s a common, general-purpose type of extinguisher.
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FDIC
FDIC is a major fire and emergency services industry event where manufacturers and suppliers showcase products. The speaker’s reference suggests they used the show as a launch and networking platform to build market presence.
Air hoses are flexible lines used to deliver compressed air for vehicle systems (commonly for pneumatic accessories). In off-road setups, they’re often part of the broader trail equipment ecosystem where reliable airflow matters.
A fire marshal is the official who enforces fire-safety rules. Getting their approval usually means your product meets the safety requirements they care about.
The D-pillar is part of the vehicle’s body near the back side of the cabin. People sometimes mount accessories there, but you want to make sure it’s bolted on securely so it doesn’t come loose.
The gauge on many extinguishers indicates internal pressure, but it can be misleading if the gauge mechanism fails. The episode explains that gauges can get stuck showing “in the green” even when the extinguisher has lost pressure.
You might think shaking a stored extinguisher would help it work, but the episode says it can actually make the powder pack tighter. That makes it more likely to clog and not spray.
The episode states that every six years, an internal service is required where the extinguisher is effectively “fired off”/discharged to service the internal powder and components. This helps address issues like powder compaction and ensures the extinguisher can discharge properly.
They’re talking about how tightly the extinguisher’s contents get packed inside. If it’s packed too tightly (or in the wrong way), it can make the extinguisher harder to discharge when you need it.
A service truck is a mobile setup that allows extinguisher servicing on-site rather than requiring teams to haul gear to a shop. The hosts describe bringing it yearly so race teams can maintain compliance and reliability.
Before a race, officials check that your safety gear meets the rules. If your fire extinguisher isn’t up to date, you can get turned away or fail inspection.
The valve stem is like the extinguisher’s “trigger mechanism” inside. If it gets bent or damaged, the extinguisher may not spray at all when you pull it.
They’re talking about racing rules that control which fire extinguishers are allowed. Even if it looks fine, you may need it serviced or it has to be within the required age/certification window.
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compacts at that rate
They’re saying the extinguisher can change or wear out over time, even if it hasn’t been used. That’s one reason rules may require servicing or replacement after a certain period.
They give a suggested maintenance routine: use/discharge it once a year and have it fully serviced every few years. The goal is to make sure it still works when you actually need it.
They mention roughly how much it costs to service an extinguisher—about $15 to $20 each, depending on how many you have. That cost can affect whether people replace or maintain them.
A tamper seal is like a little “proof” that nobody messed with the extinguisher. Inspectors look for it to make sure it’s still in the same condition as when it was set up.
The “2.5 pound” part is how much fire-fighting material is inside the extinguisher. Smaller vehicle units are often measured this way so you can compare sizes and costs.
Shelf life is how long a fire extinguisher should still work when you keep it stored. This segment says the extinguisher can last a very long time because the main parts are tested long-term, and you can replace the CO2 when it’s time.
Cost-benefit analysis means weighing what something costs versus what you get out of it. Here, they’re trying to figure out when the better extinguisher pays for itself compared to buying or servicing cheaper ones.
The breakeven point is when you’ve saved enough money to “catch up” to what you spent. They’re using it to estimate when the better extinguisher becomes cheaper overall.
Granger is mentioned as a place you can buy the extinguishers through a supply company. It suggests the product is available through normal business/industrial channels too.
A traditional fire extinguisher is the standard kind you can buy for home or business. The point here is that the hosts think you should buy a “real” one, not the cheapest basic option.
Amorex is one of the brands the hosts mention as a more legit, commercial-style fire extinguisher. The takeaway is to buy a reputable extinguisher, not a bargain one.
Buckeye is one of the brands they mention as a reputable extinguisher. The point is to pick a dependable extinguisher that’s meant for regular use and inspections.
The State Fire Marshal is the government office that enforces fire-safety rules. They’re saying that after a couple of years of required inspections, the better extinguisher option can pay for itself.
Annual maintenance means you have to service the extinguisher regularly, usually once a year. The hosts are saying the right extinguisher design can make that upkeep easier and cheaper over time.
Cartridge-based extinguishers use a replaceable insert (a cartridge) that holds the fire-fighting material. That can make it easier to service and keep the extinguisher ready.
In racing, the pits are where teams do quick repairs and service. The episode is saying these extinguishers are used in that kind of fast-paced environment.
A reload kit is what you use to get an extinguisher working again after it’s been used. The hosts are saying they can reload fast so they’re not waiting around.
Dead weight means extra stuff you’re carrying that doesn’t help you anymore. They’re saying if an extinguisher can’t be quickly put back into service, it’s basically wasted weight.
The California State Fire Marshal is the government office that sets rules for fire safety. The episode is saying their process includes approval and certification requirements.
They’re saying the extinguisher works best when the powder inside stays loose and flows easily. If the powder clumps or compacts over time, the extinguisher may not spray enough agent to put out the fire.
Compaction means the powder inside gets packed down like it’s settled. If it’s packed too tightly, it may not come out properly when you pull the extinguisher.
Racing fire extinguishers are measured by how much they weigh, which relates to how much fire-fighting agent they carry. They’re saying the 10-pound one feels like a bigger one in how quickly it knocks down a fire.
They’re describing a method where the extinguisher quickly covers the burning car with fire-fighting material. That helps stop the fire from spreading and helps put it out faster.
That rating is basically a score from fire tests. It tells you how well the extinguisher can handle common materials (A) and flammable liquids/electrical-related fires (B/C).
They test extinguishers using a controlled pan of very flammable liquid (heptane). If the extinguisher can put out that standardized fire, it earns part of its rating.
Those are special protective suits that let people work near real fire during testing. It’s meant to keep them safe while they prove the extinguisher actually works.
Instead of throwing away the whole fire extinguisher after it’s used, you can replace the internal cartridge parts. That’s what makes it “reloadable” and lets you get back on the trail sooner.
195 psi is how hard the extinguisher is pressurized inside. Higher pressure usually means more strict rules for refilling, because it’s riskier to open or service.
They’re saying you may need special training or permission to refill certain extinguishers. The point is that the traditional high-pressure units have stricter rules for safety.
In a 4x4, the transfer case helps send power to the front and rear wheels. The gears inside it are expensive parts, so a fire is especially costly.
Concept
4x4 off-road rigs catching fire / total loss risk
They’re talking about how fires can get out of control fast on off-road vehicles. Since these rigs are expensive and modified, a fire can mean losing the whole vehicle.
Axles are what connect the wheels to the drivetrain. Off-road builds often use stronger axles, and they’re not cheap to replace if a fire destroys them.
Rock crawling is off-roading over rocks at very slow speeds. You have to go carefully because you don’t have much traction, and it’s easy to get stuck.
Many extinguishers use powder, and if that powder settles or clumps up, it may not spray out correctly. That can make the extinguisher ineffective in an emergency.
A rock crawler is an off-road vehicle made for crawling over rocks slowly and carefully. It’s built to keep traction and control when the trail gets technical.
Long-travel suspension means the suspension can move farther up and down. That helps the tires keep grip on bumpy rocks and ruts instead of losing contact.
Total Chaos is an aftermarket off-road suspension and fabrication brand known for long-travel kits and components used in rock crawling and desert racing. In the segment, it’s referenced as part of the Tacoma’s suspension build.
Rear bypasses are a suspension upgrade that helps the truck handle big bumps without getting overwhelmed. They help the wheels stay planted and the ride stays controlled when things get rough.
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spring under
“Spring under” is just how the coil spring is placed in the suspension. It’s a common design in off-road builds to make room and help the suspension work the way the builder wants.
The Toyota Tacoma is a pickup truck that a lot of off-road builders start with. Here, they’re talking about a Tacoma that’s been modified to handle rough trails better.
The Volkswagen Rabbit is a small car made by Volkswagen. In the podcast, it’s mentioned during a story where the host talks about getting into something related to dirt bikes and then “going down a rabbit hole.” That’s why it shows up—it's the car connected to the hobby story.
The “22R” refers to Toyota’s 2.4-liter R-series four-cylinder engine family. It’s known for being straightforward and long-lasting when maintained, which is why it shows up in many older Toyota trail builds.
“Three links” means the axle is held in place by three suspension arms. That helps the truck move its wheels up and down while staying stable on trails.
The center section is where the gears and differential live inside the axle. Swapping it can be a way to keep the right gearing while upgrading axle strength.
Departure angle is the maximum angle a vehicle can leave a ramp or obstacle without the rear bumper or underbody hitting first. Shortening the bed or adjusting body/bumper placement can improve clearance for steep drop-offs.
“Toyota reliability” is the idea that Toyota vehicles tend to have long service lives with fewer major failures when maintained. In off-road communities, this reputation often influences what platforms people choose to build and keep for years.
The Toyota 4Runner is a rugged Toyota SUV that’s made for off-road use. In this story, they found an older 4Runner for a great price, fixed a starting problem, and then started using it for rock crawling.
They mention the Palisades Fire and how it affected their schedule. Because of work during the fire, they couldn’t even spend time with the truck right away.
“Crank no start” means the engine tries to start, but it never catches. It’s often something like fuel or spark, not necessarily a broken engine.
Term
single case
The transfer case is the part that lets a 4x4 go into low gear for slow, controlled crawling. “Single case” is just describing the specific transfer-case layout.
If the fuse for the fuel pump is blown, the pump can’t run, so the engine won’t get fuel. Replacing the fuse can get the truck running again if nothing else is damaged.
The host discusses changing driving style and setup to make rock crawling “safer” and “a little slower,” which is a common evolution as families and risk tolerance change. In off-road terms, this often means more controlled throttle, better traction management, and sometimes mechanical changes to reduce stress on the drivetrain and body.
The hosts discuss specific local trail areas used for rock crawling and testing. Mentioning routes like Dishpan Springs gives context for why they’re prioritizing axle strength and comfort on technical terrain.
An axle swap is a common off-road modification where you replace drivetrain components to better match the demands of trail driving. A “shakedown run” is the early test drive after the swap to find issues (fitment, noises, breakage) before committing to harder routes.
Dana 44 is the name of a type of front axle. Axles are the big assemblies that connect the wheels to the drivetrain, and the Dana 44 is a common one in off-road builds.
Term
Dana 44 (Chevy 44 / C10 reference)
They’re implying the axle came from a Chevy C10-type donor. Donor vehicles can affect axle width and fitment, which can impact how well the build survives on tough trails.
The Chevrolet C10 is an older pickup truck that people often modify for off-roading. The podcast is talking about the front axle on this specific truck, which is a Dana 44, and how the truck’s width affects fitment. That’s why it comes up in a 4x4 off-road discussion.
“67 inches wide” is how wide the axle assembly is. Width affects how the tires sit and clear things, and it can also change how hard the drivetrain works on rough trails.
Axle shafts are the parts that actually spin the wheels. If you break a lot of them, it usually means the trail conditions or the vehicle setup is putting more strain on the drivetrain than it can handle.
CVs are joints in your axle that help the wheels keep turning while the suspension moves. Off-road driving can beat them up, especially when the trail twists the drivetrain a lot.
Big Bear is a popular Southern California off-road destination area where people wheel in nearby trails and mountains. It’s brought up as a personal “to-do list” location, reflecting how regional trail planning works for off-road groups.
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Matino Wash
Matino Wash is a local wheeling spot in Southern California. They’re saying there are lots of good trails there even if it’s not as scenic as the Rubicon.
An “ABC” extinguisher is designed to handle different kinds of fires: regular stuff that burns, flammable liquids, and electrical fires. That’s why it’s popular for vehicles and workplaces.
Term
UL
UL is a company that tests products for safety. If an extinguisher is going through UL, it’s being checked to make sure it works properly and meets safety requirements.
“20 pound” means the extinguisher has more fire-fighting material inside. More material usually means it can fight a fire for longer or handle larger fires.
“Purple K” is a special type of extinguisher chemical meant for fires involving flammable liquids. It’s different from the more general ABC style extinguisher.
Concept
OEM / government contract vs off-road hobby market
They’re talking about two different customer types. Government and OEM contracts usually pay the bills because they’re more formal and consistent, while off-road stuff is often made for fun and passion.
Fire extinguishers are labeled for the type of fire they’re meant to fight. An “ABC” extinguisher is designed to work on three big categories: regular burning stuff, fuel/liquids, and electrical-related fires.
If the powder inside an extinguisher clumps or packs down, it can make the extinguisher harder to spray correctly. That’s a problem when you need it to work fast.
“Snail Trail” is the podcast name referenced in the conversation, and it signals the show’s focus on slower, technical trail culture rather than speed. In off-road communities, that “slow and steady” mindset often aligns with rock crawling and careful vehicle setup.
Agility ladders are a ladder-like training setup on the ground that you step through in different patterns. They help you move your feet quickly and stay coordinated.
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Welcome one welcome all to the snail trail four by four podcast if you like going operating
in Toyotas, wrenching on Toyotas, camping in Toyotas, maybe even poking a little bit
far to Toyotas and of course hearing about how fantastic fighting fires is in Toyotas
literally. I just didn't even think about that put that together. Then this is the podcast for
you. That's right ladies and germs. My name is Tyler and joining me for another episode of the
snail trail four by four podcast is Jimmy jet over there. How you doing man? Good. Thank you.
How are you doing pretty darn good today? Awesome. Glad to hear it. Yep. Well, I have some great
news. I guess we got into a little bit last Thursday. Yes. So it was exciting. I was happy
to hear everything. Yes. So anyways, I'm in a much better spot mentally now, which is fantastic
good because it's a few days till we take off and there's a couple more days until we take off.
So now we're just on that stressful point of making sure everything's squared away and put
together and ready to go. But today for you guys, we've got a fun conversation interview.
That's what I was looking for interview that I word with a fire extinguisher company that we've
been trying to get on the podcast for a very long time. And we've put off, I've put off
the holding back talking about this fire extinguisher company because I was like,
we, I don't want to do it this service. Okay. So we really need somebody from this company
to talk to you on the podcast. And we finally got schedules all mashed. We finally made it happen.
And turns out, I don't know. We just, we never talked about things further on later on. It
turns out like we're definitely like similar people. So we're both kind of like, why didn't
this happen earlier? So anyways, we'll get into that in a little bit here. We're going to leave
him over in the green room just outside the door here for a little bit longer. But this is Monday,
kind of the last Monday of the month here of April. Yes, it is. Yeah. Which means there's a few
things going on that you guys need to be aware of because this is kind of your last opportunity.
To really take care of a couple of things if you really wanted to. First one is gift boxes.
We're coming up on the close of April. Once April 30th hits midnight on April 30th, 11.59 PM,
gift box tiers will be closed. So you need to make sure and it's, it'll be closed probably
might be closed a couple of hours before that, depending on your time zone. So really,
if you want to do any moving around, do it now. Do not wait until Thursday to do that. So
don't wait for Thursday's episode. Get it done now. If you want to move around tiers, if you want
to get into the gift box tier, get out of the gift box tier, get into a different tier, whatever
it is you want to do. April is an awesome month to do it because everything's open and available.
So you don't have to worry about remembering, oh, I did it this month. That means I need to
update it next month when it opens or whatever. Do it now. It's easy, simple,
and everything's available to you. So make sure you guys are doing that. Once we hit
out of April and those close down, no remorse. You guys had all month to do it. We've been letting
you know for about two months now that this was coming. So no excuses. Go and do it. Stop being
lazy. Just like Jimmy. Just kidding. Jimmy's not lazy. He's a very active guy. Trying to be. Trying
to be. Yeah. So gift boxes. That's number one. Yeah. If you want to sign up for the gift box,
though, you need to go over it. I rate four by four. Go over to the watch list and discuss section.
Go down to the snail trail four by four podcast and then go in there and then all your sign up
options are available for you there. If you are moving tiers or changing tiers, then you do need
to go into your PayPal account and cancel the tier or the option that you guys are no longer wanting
to be in. You will probably have both options there, the one that you just signed up for and the
one that you're leaving. So just make sure you're clicking the right one. Yeah. Cool. So that's
item number one to be very aware of coming up here. Very quick deadlines are approaching.
Item number two is the Divos Group Buy. Oh yeah. We're up over 90 units.
Yeah. People are coming damn close to 90 units. Yeah. Probably when this is aired,
we will be at 90 units. Yeah. We did talk to Spencer over at Divos and we're going to keep it
at 25% as the max. So that is the final price, which means every single light ranger 500
is, what is it, 53 and some change, $53 some change, which really for this light is a phenomenal
price. And there's a lot of really cool things you can do with this light, a lot of really cool
places you can go. It's like, in my opinion, the kind of perfect small area light for immediately
around your vehicle, under your vehicle, if you have to work on something at nighttime or inside
your tent as you're getting ready for bed, you need to go find something in your tent, you need to
go find that flask that you left in your bag at nighttime and then go back and sit around the camp
fire. This is the perfect light for those two scenarios. So very useful. I think if you guys
go camping in any certain amount of regularity, this will be one of the most used lights you will
have in your repertoire. Yep. I agree. I think it's a fantastic light. I envision just leaving
it in my truck and carrying it around with me everywhere I go. A USB-C rechargeable, so it's
super easy to charge. It's not a spotlight. It's an area light. It'll fill an area up like
Divos, pretty much what they are known for. This isn't a camping flashlight. You're going to
look at something farther away or try to find your kids in the middle of the night. This is a
light while you're walking around or just inside the tent or underneath the hood of the vehicle
scenario. So $53, final price point, 53 and some change, whatever that came out to.
So you have until the end of the month, again, April 30th to get those in and let us know if
you guys are interested in a unit for the group buy. And then once we were keeping track of all
those, we have a big list over on the Discord server of everybody interested and how many
units you guys are looking for. So make sure you have that in because on maybe not May 1st,
maybe while we're driving out to Mesquite, Nevada, we might call up Spencer and solidify
the logistics for all of that. So pretty much like May 1st, May 2nd, we're going to start
solidifying how to get the orders, how to get the money into them, what information they need for
the shipping stuff, and how that's going to work. So really April 30th, this Thursday,
same deadline as the gift box tier. You need to have your orders in. If you don't get them in,
then you're just playing with fire of whether or not you end up getting in for this group buy or
not. So this is not going to continue to be available. It's not a discount or deal that's
ongoing. This is a one-time big bulk purchase that we're trying to set up to make it cost-wise and
effective for them and everybody else to get some really cool deals on some really cool lights.
Absolutely. That was item number two. Item number three is the giveaway for this month,
which was two gift boxes. So we'll have two winners for the month of April. Again,
deadline is the same thing, April 30th, this Thursday. So if you want to get in for the giveaway,
you have until the end of Thursday to make sure you get signed up for that giveaway tier.
If you are already signed up to get a gift box, like we said in the past, these gift boxes are
pretty useful items. And I think that it'd be nice to receive multiple gift boxes or win
multiple gift boxes. So you'll get your normal gift box. And if you end up winning the monthly
giveaway, you're not going to be disappointed. So these are useful items that literally I think
would be used in your everyday life. So make sure that you guys get signed up for that if you're
interested in winning some stuff for the monthly giveaway as well. There's those two gift box items,
gift box items, April 30th is deadline. While we're on that topic, let's talk about the upcoming
months giveaway. Yeah. Because it is actually with our hosts or our audience member, our green room
guy. Our green room guy. We are going to be partnering up with, man, I always butcher their name.
Yeah. Russo. Russo fire extinguishers. Is it a five pound we have given away or two and a half?
Do you want to take a quick break? I'll find it and let you know.
We can visit it later. I think it's a two and a half. Okay. But it's right around the corner.
We just have to stop for me to double check. It's probably a two and a half, maybe it's a five,
but probably a two and a half fire extinguisher to give away. And you'll learn all about these
wonderful fire extinguishers in today's episode. But since we're on the giveaway topic, that's what
the month of May's giveaway is going to be as one of these amazing fire extinguishers.
Yep. So if you guys have not heard about Russo before, highly recommend if you're thinking
about skipping this episode, don't skip it. This is, and we very rarely do episodes that I'm like,
everybody needs to listen to this episode. I think there's, there's some episodes we do that
are highly entertaining and there's a lot of really cool information in there, like the Rubicon
history episodes that are like, if you come listen to our show and only have like three
episodes to listen to, I think the Rubicon history ones are a good one, but they're not a necessity
to listen to you. Right? Sure. This, if you're an off-roader, you're playing out in the wilderness
with vehicles, you need to be listening to this episode, in my opinion. So we'll get into why
that is. And a little bit, if you're unfamiliar with Russo fire extinguishers, they've, they've
solved a very massive problem with traditional fire extinguishers in off-road vehicles.
So we'll get into that in a little bit, but that is our giveaway for the month of May.
Yes. Super big. Thank you to them. We also, as you guys will learn in the interview,
we have a discount code for Russo fire extinguishers for all the listeners out there.
And it's Russo crawlers after their Instagram account for their vehicles. They have a fun
little Instagram account. You could check on the, the rock crawlers that they have all the
Toyota mini pun, mini trucks that they've built and some really fun builds over there. So
we'll put that down in the show notes for you guys, but it's 25% off, which is a very gracious
amount for a discount code for listeners. So pretty cool stuff. And again, you'll hear all
the details in today's episode, but you, in my opinion, everybody who owns an off-road vehicle
should have one of these fire extinguishers in the vehicle. So check that out. It's a pretty,
pretty big discount. And they're, they're off-roaders, rock crawlers, just like all of us out there as
well. And they do a lot to work with race teams and kind of be a part of the community. So
check them out and pay attention to today's episode. What else do we got? Well, I just
have a few more little announcements. The discord is up and running and it's going strong. I think
you looked a little earlier and we're up to like 90 plus people in there. 92 when we looked earlier
today. Yeah. Yeah. So that's super exciting. A lot of fun conversations. So if you're interested
in getting on the discord and joining us over there, there's a link down in the description.
You can just click that and it'll take you over to where you need to go. If you don't have an
account, super easy to sign up. Let's see. The last thing I have is reviews. We're always asking
for reviews, looking for reviews. We have an onyx elite membership to give away to a lucky
individual that has left us a review once we get to 800 reviews. Also, when we get to a 850
reviews, we're giving away another onyx elite membership. And then when we get to 900 reviews,
we're giving away around $1,000 of more fight gear. I should have said $900 and plus 900 bucks
for 900 reviews. Yeah. Okay. Let's do that. It'll be over $1,000. It'll be over a thousand anyway,
but it'll be a $900 or more for 900 reviews. So too funny. But yeah, reviews are a go a long way
to help the podcast grow, get seen in front of other people's eyes, but the best way is really
for you guys to share it to anybody that is in off-roading or anybody that loves podcasting.
Share it word of mouth is probably the number one way to grow a podcast.
Sharing is caring, guys. There you go. Yes. Yes. So cool. I think that's good for today.
There's a few kind of deadline stuff coming up that you guys need to pay attention to,
so we won't go into any more further depth on anything else. Just keep it simple there,
because today's interview is a lot of fun. It's really cool, great information with a really,
really neat product that I think everybody should have. So should we take a quick break?
Let's do it. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to refill our coffee,
have some pormosas to compare with our Natter days from last week,
and we'll be right on back with Corey Jones from Russo Extinguishers.
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from Russo Fire Extinguishers. We have Corey Jones on the line. Corey, how the hell are you, man?
Doing great. Doing great. Happy to be here and talk to you gentlemen.
Yeah, we're excited to have you on. This has been a long time coming.
I think I've been trying to set up and get this coordinated for at least two years maybe
since your first year out at KOH down there with the extinguisher company, the official
fire extinguisher for KOH. It was down there. My employees came back from KOH and they were like,
dude, you got to check this out. I was like, okay, check what out? You got to check this out.
And he pulled it out and showed me all the features, everything going on with it. I was like,
oh my God, that's a genius. This should be in every single off-road vehicle out there.
And we'll get into that wine a little bit, but super excited to have you here, man.
This is, in my opinion, one of the more important topics that listeners should be paying attention
to because we've gone down the rabbit hole of talking about fire extinguishers in the past on
the show. We were supporters of another specific fire extinguisher that was very popular in the
off-road industry, kind of hit a big spike trend. And then there was a couple of little issues that
came out and use cases that found out that it's not a great idea to rely on it for. And there
hasn't really been a great option for fire extinguishers. So that's where we have you on
today to A, talk about your mini trucks and off-roading because obviously Jimmy and I come from
mini truck, old, older style model Toyota pickup trucks and first gen forerunners background. We
love talking about them. Love hearing what you guys are doing with the vehicles, but also
to get nerdy with fire extinguishers. So I guess, do you want to, let's talk a little bit
about the fire extinguishers, just high level. Why are they special and what's going on with them that
makes them awesome? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So this year was our third year at Hammers. And I think
I do remember you coming by the booth or one of your guys coming by the booth that first year
and being able to talk to them just a little bit. And then I think last year we had a plan of meeting
up and it didn't work out. And finally this year on that last day, I was like, go get whoever you
got to get. We're going to seal this deal this time. So yeah, this year was our third year at
Hammers, a sponsor in the race event. So it's a great time. Yeah, like you said, we're rock
crawlers, we're Toyota people. So we'd be out on the lake bed no matter what, if we can get out there
and work and get the product out there. You guys are local. Yeah, absolutely. So we live up in
kind of the mountains right above there, San Bernardino County Mountains. So kind of Lake Arrowhead,
Crestline, Big Bear area. So yeah, Stone's Thrill, like my brother-in-law goes home every night instead
of camping because he's not a huge camper, but he loves that side of the dirt. So yeah, we're there
and then our main office is out of Riverside for the fire equipment. So all out of Southern California
here. Yeah, absolutely. So obviously with our extinguisher compared to a traditional unit,
I know I'm assuming most people listen to this instead of watch it. So I'm going to do a whole
lot of hands-on with the units there in the back. So a traditional fire extinguisher basically,
they're stored pressure. So they're at 195 psi, constantly compacting the powder that's inside.
So even the traditional servicing of a unit, the whole reason we have to do it annually,
is because the powder inside starts to get compacted. So just as it sits under pressure,
that powder will get to the point that it is so compact that it won't fire off. So that's the problem
when you see kind of someone's rig catch on fire and five extinguishers come flying off of
dude's rigs and only two of them work is because they wanted to do good, right? We purchase these
fire extinguishers, we mount them on our cars and then we never have them serviced. So the problem is
as we bounce around, it just compacts to the point that there's a small little siphon tube on the
inside that it won't be able to travel up. And then that's why you get the little puff of nitrogen
and that's it. So first thing we got rid of basically all of our extinguishers are CO2
cartridge operated. So they're not under pressure till the moment you go to use it. So still gets
right around that 195 psi, but it's all contained within the CO2 cartridge until you puncture that
CO2 and charge the unit. So that one makes it a safer option that it's never going to accidentally
fire off on you because that likes to happen a lot of times, right? We knock the pole pin out
and then the next time we bump the extinguisher, now we discharged it and it either went completely
off and made a mess or went off just enough that the valve stem on the inside gets the powder on
it and it leaks out all the pressure so it can't be used anymore. So makes it a safer option. It
also helps with compaction because it's not under pressure all the time. So on top of that, the
second main thing is every one of our extinguishers have an auger on the inside. So the auger on the
inside is connected to a wheel on the bottom of the extinguisher. So at any given time,
you can tip the extinguisher upside down, twist the auger wheel on the bottom,
and that'll break up the powder. So this one, I will show you just for the few people that are
watching on the YouTube. So powder on the inside, even this one, it's been kind of
sitting, you can see it starts to fall. Oh yeah, sounds helpful because it's see-through. Yep,
exactly. So this was the original, the design of the extinguisher was the see-through unit,
and you can see it's a little dirty in there. But there's an auger on the inside,
you twist the wheel, and it breaks it up. So you never have to take the powder out of the
extinguisher like we do with the traditional unit now where we need special tools, special
licensing through the state fire marshal to be able to do that. You just did the equivalent of an
annual maintenance and a six-year internal maintenance for California, the equivalent to the
service. So the powder never needs to get taken out of the extinguisher until it's ready to use it.
So our main business is obviously the commercial side. So we own a fire extinguisher company
based out of Riverside. This is what we've been doing for 40 years is service and selling traditional
fire extinguishers. And basically there had to be a better way of doing it. So that's where the
whole idea and concept came from. So yeah, basically 40 years of doing it, how can we make this better?
Yeah. So when did you guys launch the auger and non-pressurized extinguishers?
So the very first extinguisher, once we got through UL, so speaking of obviously,
we try not to bring up the other brand that you brought up just because it's kind of
the bad taste everyone's mouth and you never want to obviously talk ill of someone.
But to sell something in the United States, obviously as a life safety device, especially
a fire extinguisher, right? That's not looked lightly upon. The UL process to go through
Onurator's laboratory to do the testing takes multiple years and multiple millions of dollars
to be able to do this. So my father actually invented the extinguisher. So this is a family
business. But from the initial concept of him kind of writing it on a napkin to getting through the
UL process was about 15 years. 15 years from the time that it was a concept to get all the
tooling to get everything through kind of just what it takes to sell a life safety device
and do it the right way, right? Compared to some other companies that had an idea,
made a product, good on them, super nice guys. We met them at Hammers like three years ago too
when they were kind of getting real big. And the problem is they did zero testing with that and
then went out and sold it and it clearly did great marketing, right? Good on them. But unfortunately,
in real life use cases, when it came time to use that thing, when you don't go through the process
or understand the business of what it takes to put out these large scale fires or a fire at all,
unfortunately, that kind of, yeah, they're actually banned in the state of California by the
office of the state fire marshal. And most race sanctioning events, they are not allowed to even
be in the car as a secondary option, let alone as the primary option. So, but yeah, so 2015,
I believe is when we got through UL with the five pound unit. So the five pound ABC was what we
first got through UL, got something that we're able to sell. We went out to FDIC, which was
like the large fire department show and kind of started there and then building out from there.
So yeah, a little over 10 years now kind of at on market and selling. So,
Wow, that's pretty impressive. You know, from Jimmy and I are both sort of familiar with
product development and the process it takes to go through all that. But we're not making stuff
that's life saving devices, right? We're making air hoses for vehicles and tailgate panels. So
you don't hurt your knees and you have a place to put your grill and your drink, right? So it's,
I can just imagine the UL process. I didn't realize it's that extensive, but it makes sense
that when you're making a quote unquote life saving product, there's certain very rigorous
standards. I would hope those products are held to you. So yeah, the fact that you guys went
through that, got it all done. I think shows a lot that A, you have a great idea in a product,
but B, it's also been proven to work. And it's not, I think that, I think that the fire extinguisher
market industry is such a, what's the right word, old industry.
Sure. Absolutely. Very traditionalized, right? There's not that many big changes with it. So
everybody just says, Hey, you want to do a fire extinguisher? This is how it has to be done
in order to be successful in a good product. Absolutely. And that, that was even obviously
50 years. So there hadn't been an update in traditional fire extinguishers in over 50 years
leading up to this. So obviously when you come and you have something like that kind of traditional,
like we joke about that in the fire service too, right? Like it's a tradition that's unimpeded
of change, right? Even for the better. So yeah, when you come in and you come in with something
new, obviously you're going to get some pushback, especially when you're, you're changing, changing
big level things. So obviously that had a whole process in it as well for taking, taking a little
bit longer, right? And we wanted to go about it the right way, being in the business, right? So
we started at, especially in California, right? They fire marshal level and then worked our way
down, make sure we got their blessing, their approval. We're one of the only fire extinguishers
actually get posted on the California office and state fire marshal's website that they did
voluntarily. Yep. And that was because we kind of, we went about it the right way. It took a little
bit longer, but absolutely. That's really cool. So, you know, we've, we've talked about it in
the past. You know, you go to discharge a fire extinguisher because there's a very real emergency
happening typically when fire is involved with off-road vehicles. And how many people just
have their fire extinguisher mounted to their floorboard or mounted to their D pillars, mounted
to the back of their seat and how many people go and try and make sure that that thing still fires
off once a year, right? How many people have had that fire extinguisher just sitting on the back
of that seat on that D pillar, strapped to their floorboard, whatever it is for five to seven years
now and just never used it, right? You're giving a lot of people a lot more credit even saying that
it's mounted. I've talked to a lot of people and seen a lot of extinguishers that have been bouncing
around the back of the truck or bouncing around under the back seat and they're like, Hey, it didn't,
it didn't work. Well, it's been discharged for two years or the problem with the traditional
extinguisher too is it's got the gauge on it, right? So a lot of people just think, Hey,
if it's reading in the green, I must be good, right? The pressure is reading in the green. And
the problem is that's one of the weakest points of the extinguisher and one of the most common
fail points is those gauges where they will just get locked straight on the green, even though there's
no pressure in it. And then secondary, a bigger problem than it having pressure in it is its
ability to actually get the powder and pressure out. So it's not that it doesn't have the 195 psi,
the problem is it's trapped in there behind a rock of powder that it cannot discharge.
But if it's in the back of the vehicle bouncing around, isn't that sort of like shaking it up?
Yeah. And unfortunately that is a common concept, right? Is that, Hey, it's bouncing itself around.
It's the same thing as hitting it upside down with a mallet and trying to do my best, right?
And the problem is it actually makes it worse. So because they are under pressure instead of not
with that compaction as your same thing, like if you think you've got some baking soda in your
cupboard and if you just constantly gyrate it and shake it, it's actually going to compact
faster, even just with the pressure of gravity. Now you add 195 psi and it actually helps it get
more compacted. So like in California, when we do traditional fire extinguisher services for
business, so like your shop, Tyler, it needs to be inspected and recertified minimum once a year.
And that's at least just looked at by a licensed personnel. And then every six years, we actually
do like an internal service where you have to fire off the powder on the inside and that's to
break the powder up. If it's on a vehicle, it has to be done every single year. It has to get
fired off because the compaction rate is so much higher. Wow. Wow. Okay. That's actually, it's
backwards of the concept that most people think for sure. Yeah. So if anybody is out there and you
go in, how can you tell if your fire extinguisher is really compacted inside like a traditional
fire extinguisher? Yeah, I mean, short of actually trying to fire it off and see there's not really
a great way. And that's what even so like at King of the Hammers, obviously we're out there for our
new extinguisher. But we bring the service truck as well. And we're there servicing traditional
units for the race teams because we understand, right, that a lot of these people, they spend
every penny they have just to get out to the race event, they're going through tech. And now they
fail tech because their extinguisher wasn't serviced in the last year, they don't have an
extinguisher. We understand, right? Not everyone's got the money right there to buy two brand new
extinguishers, one for inside the car, one outside. So we bring our service truck every year and we
do the servicing just for the same price as we would charge if your shop was in Riverside,
we're not out there trying to get rich off anyone, we just want everyone racing safely.
And the amount of extinguishers that even in just the last three years, we've done that all three
years that I've gone to fire off, and the valve stem will bend inside the head because it's so
compacted, because we're so rough on these extinguishers, especially in that race element,
that you go to discharge it and it'll literally bend the aluminum valve stem around the head and
will not discharge. That's crazy. I don't know. It's okay. So we're going to get into pricing.
Well, since you've been out there every three years, that means that that fire extinguisher
pretty much has been only on the car for one year too, right? Because otherwise you would have
serviced it the year before. So within one year, it had that catastrophic fail.
Correct. And that's what even the way the tech works, and especially even like the local fire
department if they're inspecting your business, if it's a brand new extinguisher out of the box
and you have the receipt that you purchased it, or you're going off the actual manufacturer,
you're the extinguisher, you get one year from the manufacturer. So I don't know why this is
a stigma in racing, maybe you guys could tell me, but I've never seen more race teams that'll just
they're willing to buy a brand new extinguisher every year, instead of just having it serviced,
there's nothing wrong with the extinguisher if we can service it before it gets to that point.
But these race teams, they just buy a brand new extinguisher every year. So they're basically
only going off the manufacturer year. So the majority of those ones that I had fail in that
manner were only a year old. So basically, they bought it in 25, they were able to race the 25
season. And then as we got into 26 this year, obviously tech dingdom and said, Hey, no,
you either have to have a service or you need a 26 manufacturer year. And so a lot of those,
yeah, we're only a year old and they were having that issue because it just compacts at that rate.
Is there something to be said about fire extinguishers and the thought of fire
extinguishers just being use them once and they're done, they're a consumable product,
you don't really refill them or service them, you just use them. And if you don't need them,
then cool, you throw it away and grab a new one. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of people
that kind of have that one shot one use kind of mentality when it comes to it. And I think for
a long time, there was a company that we're selling basically they're called disposable fire
extinguishers. So you weren't even if you had a license and we had all the equipment, we weren't
legally allowed to refill them because they were kind of using cheaper parts. And they were just
they were considered disposable extinguishers. I don't know if that's kind of when the mindset
of yeah, hey, let me just use it once and throw it away. Obviously not a not a cost effective option,
but yeah. How long you said a typical fire extinguisher, you need to
discharge it once a year and get it completely serviced once every six years.
How much does it typically cost to service your typical fire extinguisher?
Yeah, so anywhere between 15 to $20 per extinguisher, depending how many you have.
Obviously, if you only have one or two extinguishers and the company's having to drive all the way
out to you to service these, it's going to be a little more, right? It's going to be maybe $35
an extinguisher. It goes up a little bit versus if you're a large warehouse building that has
1000 extinguishers and probably give you a price break when it comes to doing the annual maintenance
for you. So I'd say on average, though, $20 per extinguisher to do the annual maintenance.
So yeah, like that's a that's a big part of the cost savings when it comes to our unit. So that
was the that was the original business, right? That's what we did was service traditional
extinguishers. We go into businesses annually, and we service extinguishers. That's what we've
been doing for the last 40 years. So with the new extinguisher, obviously, on the off-road side and
all our toys, that's not something that's happening, right? You're not getting inspected by the fire
department, the state fire marshal. It's not a concern, which so that unfortunately, unless
you're racing, it's kind of on you to keep up on your own safety. So but if you are in that
commercial business or you are racing and it needs to get done annually, absolutely $20 per
extinguisher. That's if it's not discharged, that's if you didn't dent it in the last year,
and now it needs to get replaced. Now you're buying a new one anyway. So with our extinguishers,
because you have that ability to twist the wheel on the bottom with the auger on the inside,
you're able to not have to have that licensed company come out and tag it for you. And same
thing with the race event. So for the individuals that have now bought our extinguishers three years
ago at Hammers, it's now on their car for the third year. For the last two years,
they haven't touched those extinguishers other than spinning the wheel on the bottom minimum of
once a year. When they go through tech, they'll just make sure that there's a small tamper seal
on there, just like a traditional extinguisher just to make sure it hasn't been punctured and
charged. And they'll make sure the wheel on the bottom spins so it's not compacted and you're
good to go. So they're now have saved $40 over the last two years. Hey, that's now almost half the
price of that two and a half pound extinguisher they put on the car. So same thing in the in the
commercial application. So like for your shop there, Tyler, obviously in Sacramento, wherever
you guys are at, they're going to come in ideally once a year and inspect you, hopefully not. But
I mean, if they're doing it right, right, your business gets inspected once a year and they're
coming to look at those tags. So now say you've got 10 extinguishers inside the business, that's
now $200 a year that you now save. So basically by year five, the extinguishers paid for itself.
And how what's the shelf life of the 18 year shelf life of 1818. And that's if you're
getting inspected by the fire marshal. And the only reason it's 18 years I had a CO2. So basically
the CO2 that we use their disposable CO2. So they put an 18 year shelf life on those is the only
reason. So the actual units are tested for 50 years and it's because of the CO2. So even if you
hit that 18 year mark, it's not that the whole unit's bad, you would purchase the reload kit
and you reload it with the new CO2 and you're good for another 18 years because the actual
shells, the bodies are tested for 50 years. Wow. Okay. So let's get into those price because I
want to what I'm ultimately trying to do here is I'm trying to give people a cost benefit
analysis, right? Of getting these fire extinguishers versus getting a traditional,
you're going to use it one time that first year and then either throw it away by a new one or
service it and kind of raise your breakeven point and versus and then what is that cost
associated versus knowing that your fire extinguisher is going to actually discharge and put out your
vehicle fire for you versus not knowing for sure whether it is or not. And what is that value to
people, right? So what is the cost of the two and a half pound, the new fire extinguisher that
you guys have from yourself? Yeah, absolutely. And obviously, right? We can't put a cost on
your extinguisher actually working and saving your life, right? So we can't talk on that,
but we can't talk on obviously the traditional unit versus ours. So on the sizes, right? We have a
10 pound ABC, which would be like in your commercial warehouse building, a five pound ABC, which is the
larger kind of the middle one here with the hose. That would be the minimum requirement that you'd
have to put inside a business. And then we have a two and a half pound extinguisher, which would be
perfect for the off road rigs, the toys, they're like traditionally put on forklifts and stuff in
the commercial business. So you can get them through Granger, you can get them through Lowes,
they're a little more expensive, or you can get them directly from our website now. So 125 for
the two and a half pounder on the website, 180 for the five pounder and then 210 for the 10 pounder.
Those are all on the website. I do have a discount code to give you guys and your listeners to get
you 25% off. So it'll get you down to that, that King of the Hammers pricing. So like our normal
Hammers pricing, because obviously we're out there is normally 100 for the two and a half pounder,
150 for the five and 200 for the 10. So we got a discount code. We'll give you at the end and
you can put in the show notes and get kind of that King of the Hammers off road pricing.
That's cool. We were going to kind of corner you and see if you wanted to do a group buy,
but at 25% off, I'm sure we can get a group on. Make you bring me the orders,
just like the Devo's lights. Yeah, that one's been going away crazier than we thought it would.
So it's really cool to see the listeners grab a couple of those. So, but yeah, so that's the
chursal pricing. But yeah, basically with the discount code, so it'll be the 100 for the two
and a half pounder 150 200 for the 10. So a traditional extinguisher, if you're going to go
and buy not just like the cheapest Home Depot aluminum piece that you could purchase and you
actually get like a decent traditional extinguisher, like an Amorex, a Badger, a Buckeye would be like
the traditional kind of commercial grade extinguisher that you really should be. If you're
going to stick with a traditional unit would be $50 to $60 for a two and a half pounder about
$75 $80 for a five and then like 125. So it's roughly yeah, it's a little a little over half.
So it's I would argue 30 40% less. So yeah, obviously, right, they are a little more expensive.
But right cost savings. So by that second year now, if you are somewhere that's getting inspected
by the State Fire Marshal, by the second year, it's now made up that difference. And by year
eight, it's paid for itself by saving that. And we didn't haven't really got into it yet. So not
only do you have the ability of kind of spinning that wheel on the bottom, breaking up the powder
and doing your annual maintenance, right? They're also all cartridge based. So you're also able to
reload them yourself. So if for some reason you do happen to use the extinguisher, I God forbid,
kind of work for you, save your family, we're good to go. But now, hey, maybe you're out in the
middle of the Rubicon, you're down in Baja because you're running a race event. So like we cut
tied in with the BFG pits, guys, two years ago at Hammers and they've been running them in all the
BFG pits. So the fire they had down in Baja earlier this year, they used our units. That was a very
impressive video, by the way, that was yeah, that's what those guys are, they're firm believers. And
they they continue to one torture test into real life scenario be able to use our extinguishers.
So we're all about supporting those guys. And just for them, the selling fact was when they're
now down in Baja, they've got two to three reload kits for every extinguisher in that trailer.
And five minutes after that fire happened, that extinguisher was back in service and they were
ready for that next car to come through the pits. And they're not now down an extinguisher like
any other race team or any other extinguisher that extinguishers now, it's
that's a really good point. It's dead. It's dead space, dead weight now. I didn't even think about
that aspect of everything too. That hasn't hit me or curtain me yet. Yeah, absolutely. So that's
where it kind of ties into us in the recreation world is the ability to one, we want to do everything
ourselves, right? We're all self top fabricators, we're all this stuff, right? We want to keep it
in house. We don't want to have to be going to a company if we don't have to. So now the ability to
either in our own garage when we happen to use one, we're able to refill and recharge this
extinguisher, no special tools, no special licensing needed, it's all done yourself, even in the
commercial application. So like in your business, Tyler, if you happen to use one, or when we're
doing kind of, you're now doing the annual maintenance yourself in house, there's kind of an online
training that one of your individuals would do. And then they're now approved by the California
State Fire Marshal to do your certifications, obviously, only for the business that they're
employed by, and only obviously a tradition, our fire extinguishers, they can start tagging
normal units all of a sudden. But yeah, and that's all California State Fire Marshal,
and that's where that cost saving comes from. Yeah, it is. It's super nice. Like I'll be walking
through the warehouse. We ended up getting five or six, eight, eight, between five and eight fire
extinguishers from you. And we have a few of them mounted in strategic locations throughout the
warehouse, you know, according to code. And I'll just be walking by and I'll just stop real quick
at one of them and just twist the auger on the bottom and then just keep going.
He gets a fidget spinner, right? Yes, it totally is a fidget spinner as I'm walking through the
warehouse. Yeah. Yeah, Jimmy's right. It will be like, Jimmy will come over one day, we'll be
walking through to do something, like go back to the laser area or something else, walk by and
twist an auger real quick and just kind of laugh to myself and then keep walking. And
it's a, it's just funny. Yeah, absolutely. And that's kind of the goal. And that's what we wanted.
And it's because that, that powder can never be too in a fluid state. That's what's going to get
it to work the way it's intended. So that's what even traditional extinguishers, it's not that
they're an inherently bad design. The problem is, if you go to discharge it five minutes after I
serviced it, it's going to work great. It's going to fire off 100% of the powder and it's going to
put out probably a bigger fire than you're comfortable putting out. The problem is now it's
been six months, now it's been a year, now it's been kind of whatever that scenario has been in
the elements. And now you go to fire it off and it doesn't discharge or maybe that powder started
to get compacted. So you get 60% of the powder discharged at a kind of diminished rate. And
that's where the problems come where with our unit, you could pull it off the wall, be walking to
the fire, tip it upside down, twist the wheel, it gets that powder in that fluid state. You
puncture it, you charge it and it's going to fire off 100% of the powder every time.
Yeah, I said earlier that video from down in Baja was a very impressive video.
I think I feel like people, when I first heard about Russo and your fire extinguishers, I was
like, okay, cool. But we had that other brand and it was really kind of a letdown as to how
big of a fire it could actually put out for not being a traditional fire extinguisher, right?
That video in Baja, I think it was a side by side, right?
Yep. That was on fire and the pit crew came out and I mean, it was, I want to say it was a
five pound extinguisher. Was it a 10 pound? That one was the 10 because when I run them in the pits
down there, they either have to run two 10 pounders or a 20 pound unit. So it was a 10 pounder.
Okay. So that 10 pounder alone, I mean, when he shot it off, the car disappeared. You couldn't
see the car at all. There was a lot of powder and a lot of pressure in that that it, it was honestly
one of the, the more, I don't know what the right word I'm thinking of encapsulating fire
extinguisher videos I've ever seen. And it wasn't a traditional fire extinguisher. And I was like,
that was, that was pretty cool to see that extinguisher in action and how effective it
really was in just immediately encapsulating the entire race car and putting that fire out. So
Yep. Yeah. And that's what we, we kind of liked that most people say the same thing. We agree is
that the two and a half pounder, when you fired off, it feels more like a traditional five pounder,
almost that size larger. Same thing with the five. It almost feels like a 10 pounder in your hand
with kind of that knockdown ability that you can get. So yeah, all the units obviously went through
the testing through you all, they're all the highest rating you can get as far as the fire they
could put out. So the ABC is like the five pounders of three a 40 BC rating, which a 40 B pan is
basically a pan of heptane fuel that you have to put out with the extinguisher to get that rating.
And I can show you some of the videos where I think Randy's got some of them on the Instagram,
but the wall of fire that you have to put out with these extinguishers. So I was able to go back
with Randy to UL when we were doing all these testing. And it was kind of before I got into the
fire service and all that stuff. It's truly impressive, like the fully encapsulated suits
that the individuals have to be wearing, just to be that close to the fire, to do the testing,
to put it out. So it's like the, what these extinguishers can do, and even just a traditional
unit is far past what most people are comfortable putting out. And now you kind of just give it
the ability to work a hundred percent, uh, capability the entire time. And it's just, yeah,
it's definitely impressive. Yeah. So reloadable cartridges, which again,
super awesome. Um, because you can have that fire extinguisher, like you said,
back up and running right after using it. Um, and it's reloadable, the, the CO2 and the powder
to separate kind of things that are reloadable, right? Is that more to that kit?
Like for the video folks, like this is the five pound reload kit. So it'd come with a new bottom
cartridge and a new CO2. So all you do is take the head off your old unit, thread it on your new
body, thread in your CO2 and you're ready to go. It takes less than a minute. And because it's not
under pressure, uh, there's no special tools or licensing needed. Like you would, for the whole
reason, because the traditional units are at 195 psi. Um, obviously just the safety side of it is
why then they're like, Hey, you got to have training. You've got to have licensing. Uh,
you can't just buy this equipment to refill these. So, um, and then same thing with the two and a
half pounder. So two and a half pound reload kit, uh, CO2 comes with everything in there. This is
pre filled with powder. So this one, you take the head off your old unit, you thread it on, tip it
upside down, build up your extinguisher, pop your head back on your CO2 and you're ready to go. So
same thing takes under a minute. If you've done it before, two minutes, if you've never done it
before, um, and you're back in service ready to go. That's cool. Yeah. So is it, uh, is it,
it sounds like the five pound was, it actually came with the container, but the two pound is
just a powder fill? Correct. Yep. Yep. So like on the two and a half, you will reuse your original,
uh, cartridge. So your original extinguisher, basically you're just refilling it with powder
and then reusing the CO2, um, where the five pounder, it is the whole new bottom cartridge.
Got it. Nice. Okay. So much is, sorry to keep interrupting you. How much is the refill kits
roughly? Uh, just, uh, it's about 50% of the cost of the extinguisher. So it's 50 bucks for the two
and a half pounder, um, 75 for the five and then a hundred for the 10 pounder, if you end up using
it. So, um, still a better cost effective option. Cause same thing, we get into that service side
of it with the traditional units. It's $20 for me to come out and tag it. If I'm reusing your powder,
as soon as now you did do discharge the extinguisher, now you're getting charged $5 per pound of
powder. So like that, that's not free if you actually use an extinguisher. So yeah, that's a
a good point. So all in, you can get a couple, two and a half pounds, five pounder with a reload
for really under 300 bucks. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, depending if you're, hey, want to get one
for the garage, two and a half for the vehicle, reload kit, maybe reload kit for each. Um, yeah,
absolutely. So the kind of, you'll be at 150 with the reload kit for the two and a half pounder,
right at 200 for the five pounder with the reload kit. So
yeah, even, even, even compared to just that purchase cost, the initial purchase cost of
one extinguisher and a reload kit compared to a traditional fire extinguisher.
That's still super cheap insurance to know and have confidence that your fire extinguisher is
actually going to discharge when you need it to discharge. Yeah, that's what we laugh all the time.
Yeah. We laugh all the time because the amount of money we put into these rigs, right?
Dual cases, transfer case gears, big axles, all of these things. And then we like to get cheap with
what, if this thing catches on fire and whether it burns to the ground or invest in a mine. We get
it a lot of time, especially at Hammers, you get that guy that comes up and he's like, oh, I hope
my rig burns down, right? Cause we all have a love hate relationship with our rigs at some point,
right? Like we all understand that and we get that. So we'll get that multiple times, especially
when we're running that booth at Hammers. And I just tell him, okay, man, I get it. I've been there,
right? Blood, sweat and tears. And there's sometimes you hate that thing, but now you have a family
member in there, right? You've got your son and how quickly can you get him out of that car seat?
Anything with myself, right? Three children. I've got my wife, my three kids and my rock crawler.
How quickly can I get all three of them? Cause they're all three in car seats out of it. If
something happened versus the confidence that I have in the fire extinguisher and the thing that's
more importantly, right? The rigs, we love them. My family is number one to me, right?
That's where we're there to protect. So yeah, how many fire extinguishers do you have on your rig,
then? Uh, I have two. So I've got, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't go like, yeah, super crazy or anything
like that. But yeah, I think too well placed, right? Make sure their service, make sure they're
ready to go. We've always got reloads with us. So, um, yeah, that's cool. So did the Genesis for
all this really truly come out of the service industry? Has your family been into off-roading
a lot and realized that this is a, uh, uh, compounded issue with off-roading with,
with traditional fire extinguishers, I don't say compounding. What was the compacting,
and not working really on vehicles either? Like this is a, did you, did, was this idea
for the Russo fire extinguisher? Did it come out of your guys' experience in the service industry?
Or was there other experience out there with the off-road stuff as a family
that you realized this was a big need for too? No, it was definitely the service side, that side
of it. So my father and I always jokes around like he'll take the kids and I'll go stay in a
hotel somewhere. And he says, that's his version of camping. So my, that's why I run all the off-roads
stuff. Cause my father-in-law, Randy, who invented it is not a big camper, not a big off-road guy.
So, um, no, it totally was that business side of it. And then just me and then my brother-in-law,
um, he's obviously got the 86 custom cab that he built. He does all the rock crawling stuff with me.
Um, but no, if it wasn't for us, he'd be like, why are you spending all this time? And he didn't
even know King of the Hammers was the first time we took him out there. So we had, we had to enlighten
him a little bit. And that's why I kind of head up the whole off-road side of it, um, with all the
race teams and stuff. So I'd love to sell it to you that it was some weird, you know, but no,
it was the, it was the service side of it and just the service company and what he saw day in and day
out, um, servicing traditional units. And, uh, there had to be a safer way. There had to be a
better way. Um, and it's the same thing. Even on the commercial business side, they're kind of getting
hit constantly. Um, a lot of like daycares and homes, they have to have them in there. Um, and
it was more that side of it that he kind of had a, uh, an experience early on in life and then
running the business with some traditional extinguishers, not using an apartment fire where
unfortunately some kids did lose their lives. Um, unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess basically
he, uh, get and service the apartment building, but he got brought in after the fact as kind of a
subject matter expert. Um, and they were doing an investigation into the traditional extinguishers
getting serviced and why the reports were coming back that multiple extinguishers from the neighboring
apartments came over and did not work. So, um, kind of early in him owning the business, which he
actually bought from his father-in-law way back in the day, um, really kind of opened his eyes that,
hey, even if we're doing this job perfectly, there's only so much we can do on the traditional
extinguisher service side. Um, with basically the technology that hasn't been updated in 50 years,
how can we make this more reliable so we don't have this scenario? So that was the,
the biggest driver of him kind of inventing this.
That's pretty astounding. Like if you're, if you're a business and you're using fire
extinguishers in your warehouse, like in theory, you can get traditional fire extinguishers to
be reliable. You just take, it just takes a lot of extra work and effort. Cause you're, you're
constantly having to check them. You're constantly having to make sure that powder doesn't get
compacted. You're constantly having to make sure that it discharges. Um, so like you can
make it work as a business if you're willing to put in the extra effort to it. But in my opinion
on an off-roading vehicle, I really don't like, I'm, I don't, I don't think there's a good solution
other than the, I don't think a traditional fire extinguisher is dependable at all. You
should never depend on one for in a vehicle application. Um, whereas it seems like,
like your guys's solution for fire extinguishers really is like the perfect solution
for off-road vehicles and people that are, are venturing and playing around in vehicles all
the time. Yeah, absolutely. And that's where it kind of, that's why I leaned into it on this side
of it with him of like, Hey, there's a whole nother avenue other than just the bigger picture
commercial side of it, which was the original business. Um, yeah, absolutely. And then just the,
the overwhelming, uh, kind of approval or love or whatever you want to call it of, right? The
off-road industry since we've kind of stepped into hammers with the race teams. Um, and right,
kind of same reaction from you guys as most people when they see it, they're like, wow, that's
what a great idea. Yeah, the way the, the handful of people are that have been able to use one as
well, right? Or like, so the DFC pits guys, they're like, no, we're sold. We are further
than believe even like Dave. So when we tied in with King of the Hammers and Dave Cole there,
uh, he had one on his buggy and he was going to an event, I think it was a We Rock event
back East and he was on his way back and then the rig caught on fire that the, uh, uh, crawler,
I think in the trailer caught on fire when he was toning it down the road for some reason,
I wish you whatever it was. And he was able to get out and use the extinguisher and it was like,
we were already talking about him, gave him some before we did the first King of the Hammers and
he got to use it firsthand. And he was like, I'm just like, we're not going to push another
extinguisher other than this moving forward. Cause everyone that kind of gets able to use it,
it makes a believer at them. Cause when you have that feel in your hands and now
that reliability, right? That you can trust in it. Um, you can't put a price on that.
Yeah. So how did you get into off-roading then? If your family isn't big off-roaders,
because I don't know if the listeners really know this, but you guys have a full Instagram
account just for the rock crawlers, the vehicles. So crawlers, man. So crawlers, check it out.
Yeah. So that's what I kind of, uh, I grew up riding dirt bikes. So just early on with a couple
buddies, um, started in the dirt bikes, kind of went into the, uh, uh, the desert side of it. So I,
built a second gen Tacoma, uh, total chaos, long travel, DMZ, spring under rear bypasses and kind
of went down that rabbit hole because I was doing the dirt bike stuff in the desert, uh, which we
actually, I sold that truck to my brother in law, Randy. So he still has it. So it's still in the
family. And, uh, then that kind of stem ended up kind of doing a side-by-side doing that thing.
We don't want to talk about that. It's fine. But she went by fire extinguisher. We're all about
that. But, um, yeah. And then got the, with the Jeep route for a little bit, we, so we, we, uh,
we scored. We don't talk about that. We'll talk about that. Yeah. That was a short,
that was a short little period of time. Um, and then realized, okay, you realized the error of
your ways. Exactly. I cleansed myself of that. And yep. And then, so the funny thing, the whole
Toyota thing actually comes from Brandy, my father-in-law who invented the extinguisher and
even, um, my brother-in-law, so his 86 custom cab that he built for a rock crawler. Um, so my
father-in-law's first truck in high school was an 84 custom cab. So what he drove to high school,
so have you guys seen the California custom cab or the cowboy cabs as they call them?
Yep. Um, so it's 84 solid axle front, carbureted, 22R, um, was my father-in-law's very first
truck that we still own to this day. So it's sitting in the back shop here. That's pretty cool.
Yeah. And so the same thing, my, uh, just boat stopped. It's never been, it's got a camper shell
on it, never done anything to it. And so my brother-in-law, uh, drove it to high school then
when he got his driver's license and was like, okay, man, it'd be real cool to like build something
like this one day. And, uh, when we started getting more into the rock crawler stuff, he ended up
finding one up in Oregon that was kind of like half done. The front end, uh, was built three links.
And then the rear, the guy was just going to do 63s out back. Um, he ended up getting it for
like a really good deal and he ended up four-link in the rear. Um, so now it's 14 bolt rear. It's
got a, uh, Toyota center section with super duty 60 outers. I don't know if you've seen the picture
of that truck. It's kind of a unique, uh, a little Toyota 60. Um, yeah. And, uh, yeah, four-link rear,
three-link front, forties, trepidors, stickies, like truck, truck works pretty good. They took
like 18 inches out of the bed to make it capable just to help with, uh, departure angle for sure.
Yeah, you'll have to check out the pictures on there. It's, uh, it's got a little baby bed.
Um, but yeah, like he, uh, I did the Jeep fitting for a little bit and you started building that.
And I was like, and we've always been Toyota people. So like my mother-in-law's got an
01 Sequoia with over 400,000 miles. Like we believe in the Toyota reliability.
My father-in-law's got an 01 Tundra that we still use as a service truck that's got over 400,000
miles. And then she's got the new Sequoia now and he's got the new Tundra. But, um, definitely
firm believers of the Toyota reliability, right? So we've always been Toyota people. Um, and then
as we kind of started getting more into the rock stuff, he built his 86 custom cab. I was like,
all right, I got to get out of this Jeep stuff. I got to find something. And, uh, found my 86
4Runner. So the blue one, uh, for a crazy good deal. And even that was a crazy story. So, uh,
we do all this with the fire extinguishers, right? And I also work for the fire department.
Um, so right before the Palisades fire kicked off last year, uh, I'm sitting at the station
and I'm cruising Facebook marketplace, right? Trying to find a good deal because we're
right in the middle of it. And, uh, I ended up finding this 86 4Runner, but I'm on duty. I'm
like, Hey, I can't go get this thing. So I call my brother-in-law and he hooks up the trailer and
he goes and drives out to like Pasadena and in, uh, crank no start, uh, 3500 bucks. And I'm like,
all right, I'll take a gamble, solid axle, uh, 86 single case. Um, and then he goes and gets it
and we bring it back. And it's, uh, it was the fuse for the fuel pump. I was gonna say it was.
I was going to say an 86 22RE, man. Those things are so easy to diagnose and dig into. Like that
3500 is a great gamble. Yep. So 3500 bucks through a fuse in it, took it to Hammers that first
year because this was so January, right? And he grabs it. We, we come, he brings it back up the
hill where we live in the mountains and I help him unload it off the trailer and then the radio
goes off and we go to Palisades Fire for 20 days. And, uh, so I didn't even get to see it. So that
rolled straight into the last year, uh, at Hammers. So our second year doing the extinguishers. So I
took it out there, like changed the oil and that bolt checked it and went out and ran Turkey Claw and
chocolate thunder and stuff and just been kind of building it up since. So that's really cool. It
sounds like your, your in-laws are really what got you into rock crawling then. That's fair. Yeah,
I could say, and I was doing a lot of the desert stuff. And then once I had the kids, it was definitely
okay. How do we make this a little safer, a little slower? Yeah. Um, yeah. So yeah. Oh yeah. My
he's, my brother-in-law is the bad influence for sure. Depending how you look at it.
Nice. I'll have to send him that quote. Yeah. He knows it.
Just making my t-shirt says I'm the bad influence or the good question mark.
That's cool. So are you, was it fair to say that you're really kind of in love with the rocks
right now? Or is it mainly just do the wish you could still go do the high speed desert stuff or
no, no, definitely more into the rocks. That's like the Cannams been sitting in the garage
for the last, so have it and get rid of it. It kind of just sits there and we'll go take
it out every once in a while. We've got a bunch of local trails right from our house that we can
leave out of the garage, which is super nice. So, um, my boys, these will go tinker, like just put
around a little bit, but no, definitely like the rock stuff. Same thing. We've got good amount of
those big bear trails. So John Bull, Holcomb Creek, you're on dishpan springs a bunch because it's
like the backyard we can be to the lower gatekeeper in 10 minutes. Um, so we're all about like, hey,
I just threw that tundra rear axle under the forerunner after I donated the one and hammers.
I was like, well, let's go do a shakedown run. So we were in the ran dishpan springs the other night.
So, um, no, definitely super into the rocks. Definitely into getting way more comfortable
with his rig with himself. Same thing. It was kind of his first and he went full kill into four
lane, three lane forties and dual cases. And I'm like, well, I guess just jump in head first,
right? You'll figure it out. Yeah. Yep. Um, what's, uh, which tundra axle did you put under?
Just a first gen. So I was looking at, I know we had talked and I would have loved to have done
the 10 and a half and kind of, um, gone that route, but it was kind of, it's a, it's not the
forever axle and I more just wanted to get it going before I go down that rabbit hole of maybe
tons and forties one day. Um, so I ended up getting a first gen tundra out of a double cab.
So the 67 inches wide, um, with the eight four. So, okay. Um, yeah, decently one, because it's
got a, it's got a Dana 44 front. So the guy that I bought it from, it doesn't have a Toyota front
actually got the, uh, the Chevy 44, uh, like a C 10. So which is 67 inches wide. It's wide.
So wide girl. So, um, yeah, I think went through like three axle shafts and then
threw our CVs at it within the first year of having that, uh, having 86 and now I'm,
yeah, I'm just at a weird point. I've dumped a pretty good amount of money in that axle
and it'll get tons eventually, but enjoying it right now. There you go. Okay. So you guys are
down there. Do you ever, ever come up here north at all to go wheeling? So I'm going to hit you
up because we got a plan. No, we've never done, uh, we haven't done Rubicon, we've done Fort Ice,
but that is, uh, so we're looking at the last week of August. So I'll, uh, I'll have to tie in
with you and Jimmy when we come up there. But yeah, we're looking at kind of that last week
and, uh, make at least a week out of it. And if our junk's still running after Rubicon,
maybe go hit Fort Ice after and see how it goes. We'll trailer them up there. So.
Yeah, we can, we can definitely, if like you guys really want to see both trails, we can get the
rigs to survive Rubicon just fine, um, especially with what you guys have done with it. It's just
a matter of knowing the lines really and where to be going. So, um, but also if you want to go
and party on the Rubicon and, and see really what the rigs are capable, we can go find those lines
too. So yeah, we're all about it. Yeah. We definitely plan on coming up and, uh, tying in with you
when we come up there. Perfect. Yeah. Let us know. Um, we're definitely interested in that trip. I
mentioned it to Jimmy. We got back from KOH, um, and we're both interested.
Oh yeah, for sure. And I want to go down. I've never wheeled big bear. So that's definitely on
my to-do list one day. So if we ever, uh, figure out a time to, um, work that into our schedules,
we'll make sure to let you guys know. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. There's, uh, there's a ton
of good trails, Matino Wash. And there's a lot of, obviously not as scenic as the Rubicon, but as far
Southern California goes, we've got our, we've got our little lakes. Yeah. That was beautiful as up
there, but, um, we could also meet up in the middle and go do doozy sometime. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Like I said, we're, we got bit by it hard being my brother in law. So we're all about
want to see it all do it all. So perfect. Good. Um, well, awesome man. Um, anything else? Do you
guys have any other big plans for Russo coming up soon? Any big product launches you guys are
working on that you want to tease people about or what? Uh, kind of just building the fleet. So
the, the original extinguisher we came out with there was the five pound ABC. Um, and then got it
to market, did all the testing, right? And then went, did the two and a half pounder, did the 10.
We do have a 20 pound extinguisher. We're going through UL right now with the testing. So
really meet that, um, large scale either like fuel delivery vehicles, um, like on the fire engine
side, we got to run 20 pound ABCs. Um, so to kind of meet that market. So that'll be the next thing
that comes up is that 20 pound unit. Um, and then that's kind of your main sizes of traditional, uh,
fire extinguishers. Um, we have a purple K as well. So for the flammable liquids,
that's already out 10 pound and five pounder. Um, that's kind of the main market. It's, uh,
definitely a lot on the government side, military sides really been picking up lately,
obviously. Um, so that, that, yeah, I know for sure. That's, that's the,
it's definitely the main market, right? And like we always joke, this is besides the hobby,
right? Like we get sales and we have fun and we go to hammers, but it's, uh,
not really paying the bills, but it's what we love, right? So if we can come out and one,
give a safer option, right? To all of your listeners, our, our friends and family and
everyone we're kind of out there wheeling with, um, we can sleep a little better at the end of the day.
Yeah, for sure. That's really cool. I know that, you know, we have a, a few other companies that
we've interviewed in the past, 74 weld is a perfect example where he's like, no, yeah,
this is an Isco, uh, just learned this about Isco, their, their government contracts, OEM
contracts, everything like that. They're like, no, that pays the bills. The off-road stuff is
stuff we do for fun because that's, it's our hobby. It's what we love doing. And if we can
bring a really cool product with our skill sets that we've, that we've developed and
experienced, we can bring to the table to the off-road industry. Um, that's really what we're
here about here for. So it sounds like you guys are kind of in that similar, uh, footprint right
now. So yeah, absolutely. That's cool. Before we, uh, close this down, can you give a quick
rundown of what I think is it ABC? Is there a D and a K? Um, there's the different levels. Can
you talk about those, um, for the, how the extinguisher works or what each one of those
the ratings are for? The ratings are for? Yeah. Absolutely. So the, when it goes to that,
that's basically classifications of fire. So when we talk about classifications of fire,
A, B and C is kind of your traditional three. Um, so that your flammable solids would be your A
rating. Um, so any type of wood, paper, anything that's a solid material that's burning, any type
of combustible. Um, your B rating would be your flammable liquid. So any type of fuel,
oil, anything like that. Um, your C rating is electricity. So obviously you can't put out
an electrical fire, but you can be non-conductive of electricity. So when we talk about fire
extinguishers for it to get the C rating, um, it basically just has to be non-conductive of
electricity. So like a water extinguisher doesn't fit that. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Does not have a
C rating, um, because it is conductive of electricity. So, um, and then a D class is for
those flammable metals. So that magnesium, um, and that really specialty market. So I would,
uh, I mean, I wouldn't even argue it for sure. A D class is the smallest percentage
of kind of the fire extinguisher market. Um, we could technically make a D class
extinguisher, but the return on investment and how long it would take to do the testing
to get the D class extinguisher by the time we sold enough. My kids probably wouldn't even see
the return on investment. So it's, it's such a small area. Um, and then the K class is for
the flammable grease fires. So when you're kind of in a kitchen and you see that large chrome
extinguisher, um, that's the K class extinguisher and for those grease fires. So yeah, that's where
the whole ABC, DNK, uh, come from. So most extinguishers for 95% of people, an ABC rating
is what you're going to want because it's going to put all three, uh, those main
classifications of fire out for you. Um, you don't really need to go into the specialty BC
unless you're doing like anything on the commercial side. Okay. What about K fires?
Do you guys have any plans to make an extinguisher for a kitchen stuff?
It's kind of hard. So the problem right now is the whole reason our product came to be is because
of the, the clumping and the compaction of the powder, right? So a K class extinguisher is a
liquid on the inside. Um, so it's literally, it's kind of like a water extinguisher, but it's got
different chemicals on the inside that creates a crust when you fire it off onto a grease fire,
which basically breaks that surface tension. Yep. So, um, it doesn't need the auger. It doesn't
really kind of use any of what our traditional unit has. Um, so it doesn't mean that we won't
ever, we may one day just kind of corner the market, but as of right now, it's not a priority.
Traditionally, now if like we go and we replace all of the extinguishers at a kitchen,
with our extinguishers, we just service the K class with our traditional fire extinguisher
company that we still own and run and operate every day. Gotcha. Okay. Cool. And that's a,
that's great information there. So, um, anything else, man? No, I think that was my last question
I had written down. So I'm super excited for these. Um, there was a little bit of a talk of a
possible discount code because that's news to my ears because I do need some.
Good. And that's all right. Well, I'll tie in with you anyway, because we could definitely
use some, uh, some snail armor stuff as well for maybe some of our, uh,
our work trucks and some of our other stuff. So we'll, we'll tie in directly, but
for everyone else, um, yeah, on the website there. So 25% off. So use Russo crawlers. So
um, and then uppercase, lowercase, it doesn't matter. It'll pop up automatically.
And then yeah, that'll give you 25% off. So on the, the two and a half pounder,
get you to like a king of hammers pricing and even on the five and 10, it's actually a little cheaper
than even at hammers. So nice. Cool. Well, we appreciate that. And I'm sure the listeners
do as well. So that's exciting news. Um, yeah, I think, uh, can you, how about,
you've talked about Russo crawlers. Is there any ways that people can get a hold of the company,
Russo itself? Yeah, absolutely. So all of the information, just direct on the website. If
you just go to Russo.com, that's kind of the best bet. Um, it'll have all the contact information
on there. Um, our office gal, Genie will answer and answer any of your questions. Um, or if you
want to get ahold of me, um, either just on that Russo crawlers or let Genie know and kind of,
she can give you my information. If you got anything really like off-road related,
these teams or whatever it is, have any questions or clarification.
Perfect. I already know the answer to this, but where did Russo come from?
Ah, so, uh, my father-in-law's name is Randy Russo. So spelled R-O-U-S-S-E-A-U. So the
French version. Um, and basically this was just a play on that last name for the, the name.
I like it. Jimmy knows because he asked the hammers.
Yeah, I did. Very cool, man. Um, anything else? I guess we've gone over how people contact you.
Definitely we'll, we'll sit down with you after, um, we stop recording here and talk a little bit
about a couple other things, but, um, yeah, I guess if anybody has questions for you,
they can reach out over at the website, talk to Genie, talk to you, um, race teams. You want
race teams to go specifically through you? Yeah, they can go directly through me. Um, I can get
you, uh, my email directly, and then you can either put it in the show notes. That's fine.
Okay. Well, we'll, we'll see. We have a few different race teams that listen to the podcast
and come on. We get to chat with, um, after races during stuff, giving different ideas out there. So,
um, if any of them reach out to us, we'll get you guys in contact for sure. Um, I guess that about
does it then, man. Thanks for sitting down and taking an hour out of your day to, um, hang out
and chat about fire extinguishers and rock crawlers and Toyota stuff with us. It's fun.
Yeah. No, I appreciate you guys having me on. Like I said, I, after talking to yourself and
Jimmy down there, king of the hammers, I already went down the rabbit hole of a snail trail,
the podcast. So we're, we're all about it. And I definitely look forward to, uh,
in the future doing more together. So yeah, for sure. We'll definitely get you guys back
on and do some stuff in the future. We got it. Sounds like we've got to get a Rubicon
four dice trip going here shortly as well. So, um, I guess about does it, Jimmy? Any final word
for everybody out there today? Well, I just want to, I'm, I'm challenging myself, but I,
I'm going to throw somewhat of a small challenge out there to others. You know,
it's like when I started the YouTube business, um, like seven years ago,
I bought fire extinguishers for the shop. I have never done anything with them.
They're still in the shop. They're probably not any good. They're stuck in the green, my guess is.
You know, and, uh, so for me, I'm going to be getting one for each crawler and then I'm going
to put, um, one or two in the shop as well. So, uh, you know, this is just a call out to everybody.
Just think about what do you have around? What, when is the last time one of those was looked at
and you know, consider the safety of your family or house, your property, um, you know, even your
rigs. So just think about it. Cause that's this whole conversation today has made me think about
all that as well. Yep. I, yeah, it's, they're, they're super, super cheap insurance to know that
they're going to fire off, right? And that's, that's the biggest thing to me. Like
traditional five fire extinguishers. I don't want to say hit or miss, but man, it's, it's,
it's worrisome. You go up to discharge and you're like, is this going to fire? You don't, you don't
know for sure. Um, and, and so yeah, these are more expensive than traditional fire extinguishers.
The first initial investment on them, but to know that they're going to fire off,
that your property is going to get saved, your family and the loved ones are going to get saved
because of it. Um, super, super fucking cheap insurance. So, um, yeah, thanks man. Corey,
any final words for everybody out there? That's it. I'll just double down on what Jimmy said. I
think that's very important. And even if it's not purchasing our new extinguisher, right? We'd
love that from you. Um, but on a bigger scale, even if it's just checking your extinguisher on
your rig and maybe taking it to a local service company that can service it for you, just at
least give you a little bit of peace of mind. Uh, obviously in the day, we just want everyone to
come home safely and that's priority. Awesome man. Uh, thanks again for sitting down. Um,
I guess everybody out there, keep crawling.
I got one for you. Oh, okay. Well, I was deciding if I wanted to say one or more because I think
I'm going to say a few. I got a few for you. All right. Yeah. What's a fireman's favorite snack?
Oh, geez. Uh, roasted marshmallows. That would have been a good answer, but it's hot chips. Roasted
nuts. Roasted nuts with dork as well. Yeah. Yeah. Hot Cheeto burrito. That's his favorite
meal. We should have got that today. That would have been great. Why did the fire truck break
up with the hydrant?
The hydrant wasn't wet anymore. It felt drained. It felt okay. That's some more concept.
How did the fireman propose?
Jesus dumping outside right now. Holy crap. It looked like it was good and it was done for a
bit. It's hailing. Is it really? Yeah. Holy crap.
Wow. All right. That's impressive. Those are big chunks of hail. Yeah.
All right. How did the fireman propose? How did the firemen propose multiples plural?
Fire. Firemen. Yeah. How do firemen propose?
I don't know. With a spark of romance. Yeah. All right. One more. What aren't they usually
trying to put out sparks? Well, sparks usually start stuff though. If you know what I mean,
wink, wink, and that's not the point of a firefighter. They end things. Every firefighter
is a pyro. That's not fair. All right. Last one. What's a firefighter's favorite exercise?
This one sucks, but we'll say it. What are those called?
Agility ladders. That would have been a much better answer. It says jumping jacks into the truck.
That's lame. Let's do another one. Yeah. Agility ladder.
You look confused. What did the fire truck say to the flames?
That's such a bad one too. You're under arrest. Arrest. Arrest.
I don't get it. I don't either.
Why was the firefighter a good singer?
He could really heat up the tunes. This one's so bad. He always hit the high notes. The alarm.
You need a new AI joke bot over here. I need to just not Google firefighter jokes, I guess.
All right. Let's stop this horrible thing. Thank you.
About this episode
Rusoh Fire Extinguishers takes center stage as Corey Jones explains why traditional pressurized units often fail in off-road use—powder compacts, gauges lie, and annual servicing can still miss the real problem. Rusoh’s CO2 cartridge design isn’t pressurized until use, and an internal auger lets you break up powder by twisting a wheel, enabling easier maintenance and reloads. Corey covers UL testing, pricing, reload kits, and why race teams and pit crews trust them (including a Baja fire story). The hosts also push April deadlines for gift boxes and a Divos light group buy, plus May’s giveaway of a Rusoh extinguisher.
This week on the Campfire Discussion, Jimmy and Tyler sit down with Corey Jones from Rusoh Fire Extinguishers — a conversation that’s been two years in the making. And if you’re an offroader who keeps a fire extinguisher in your rig, this is the episode you didn’t know you needed.
Traditional fire extinguishers have a dirty secret: they’re built for stationary environments. When you strap one to your D-pillar or bolt it to your floorboard and spend years beating it down trails, the powder inside compacts. It stops moving freely. And when you finally need it, there’s a real chance it won’t discharge the way it should. The SnailBoys and Corey dig into exactly why this happens, what “servicing” a traditional extinguisher actually requires (and how expensive it gets), and the real-world failure modes that make traditional units a questionable choice for vehicle applications.
Rusoh’s solution is a non-pressurized, reloadable cartridge system — UL certified, see-through so you can visually check the powder at any time, and designed from the ground up for vehicles. Corey was the official fire extinguisher sponsor at King of the Hammers, and the Baja footage of a 10-pound Russo unit putting out a fully engulfed side-by-side race car is one of the most impressive product demonstrations Jimmy has seen. After putting 5 to 8 of them in his own warehouse, Jimmy has a pretty strong opinion: if you wheel, you need one of these.
They also get into Corey’s background — how his in-laws pulled him into rock crawling (after a brief side-by-side detour he’d rather not talk about), the Toyota mini-trucks they build at Rusoh, and a standing invitation to go run the Rubicon together.
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