961: It’s No Batmobile, Real Tall Person Space, Trash Can With Missiles

Love them or hate them. Everyone has an opinion on cars. But we believe we're all one great car away from a car enthusiast. So we're here to help you find a car you love. And let it take us to everything else in life. I'm Todd. I'm Paul. And this is the everyday driver car debate. Happy Friday everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. By the way, in case you didn't notice, you probably noticed there's a new opener. We didn't get it. It's the first one of the year, but we actually tried to do a new one at the beginning of every year. We are starting our 11th year

of podcast and season of podcast. We are marching quickly toward the podcast 1000. I'm going to promote that again. There's a lot more information coming, but it is centered around our event for hooked on driving at Coda. Circuit of the Americas in Austin, that is May 31st, June 1st, 2-day track date, hooked on driving. Please come, put your car on track. But if you don't put your car on track, please come anyway. There's going to be cars and coffee, vendor row, people on the cart track. We're going to be wandering around. We are going to do our 1000th podcast at Circuit of the Americas. And I'm not done yet. We are

doing a road trip to get there and a road trip to leave much of which will be filmed and some of which might even be with you. So there's a lot going on. And that's just Coda. And that doesn't even begin to cover all the news we have before we get to car debates before we get to questions. I'm running already because the podcast is that deep. Holy cow. CES is going on right now. You know that tech show. Oh, yeah, that thing dominates the planet in Las Vegas every year. The only show that we've been told is the only show that is bigger than Seema. Yes, it's the world.

Biggest tech trade show and one of the biggest trade shows on the planet. And car manufacturers have taken to introducing new models. You know in some years we never thought that they'd be built because they're a tech showcase. Yes. And that really is the entire point. I mean I'm seeing AI infused everything. But let's move away from AI back to the Sony Afeela concept. Are you a feel in this Paul? I am not a feeling it. You're not a feel it. I'm sorry that you're feeling it. When they came out two or three years ago and I thought that's the name.

Afeela. I just the Sony Afeela one. This also shows me that Honda is currently shooting in the dark on EVs because the Sony Afeela one is like a partnership with Honda. But that does not crowd the Honda reveals that happened to CES. But keep going. I was reading this article by Tim Stevens on in gadget. He was talking about the Afeela one. It feels like a PlayStation 4 in the PS5 era. They're not the only company with terrible names. They're just proliferating. They saw Stellantis and said hold my beer.

Let's make the Afeela. The problem here is I'm reading Tim's article is this car when you compare it to other cars that exist in there on the market. He says it's an estimated 300 miles of range. And when you compare that to a cheaper lucid air that can charge twice as quickly and cover 400 miles on a charge problem. And you start to see the problem with this at an $89,000 price point to start with moving up to 102,000, which is more than a tycon.

And now you have another real problem. It's almost like companies use EVs and they don't care if it's not comparable. And it's not parity with other EVs on the market.

They just want to get their tech showcase out, but they're not realizing people still look at cars the old school way. How does it compare to its competition and everything else in the market. And for the price is that a deal.

Because what about this is different, better, more compelling than a lucid a tycon or any other EV sedan on the market. It's just another body style and a worst name.

Haven't even driven it yet. There's good news there. But then Honda is also releasing their own stuff at CES, the again naming problems, the Honda Zero series.

I know you're thinking that's the beginning. It's ground zero. We're starting from here. I understand somebody in the marketing department is very excited about the fact they called it the zero series, but I think that is already a name fail.

But don't worry, because when this is rebadged as a Nissan, a Renault or a Mitsubishi, Mitsondo will call it something else.

They have to do this name. I like Mitsondo. It's the French version of all four companies.

And if you put that badge on any of these two zero concepts, what about this is Honda specific?

Well, it isn't. And I actually think this styling is kind of intriguing. However, and I'm not the styling guy, but I'm going to wonder over here into the styling commentary world, which is not my space.

I will admit, I've way out on a limb in the limbs being sawed off by somebody. But the sedan looks like somebody took.

Think about the Kuntosh, the original Kuntosh. They sliced it diagonally and stretched it.

And I'm not saying that's successful. It just looks like that was the design idea. Like, let's make a four-door Kuntosh.

So there's that weird blocky styling. And then the SUV looks like they got three quarters of the way through designing an SUV and decided they didn't know how to end it so they just stuck a hatchback on the end of it.

If you cover up the back, like the back halfway through the back axle of the SUV, it's kind of a cool looking SUV.

Then you add the back and you go, what happened? What cars that offer?

What did you do with this? I don't even understand.

But again, take the badges off of this. And if you didn't know that it was Honda, what would you think?

You have no idea.

Well, now Honda by 2026 will have four choices. They can make four different versions.

They can paint them in different colors. And none of this will care, because it looks like everything and nothing.

That's a very good point.

I mean, look, let's hope these are cool. Let's hope they come out and they're decent.

But, you know, we can already pivot to the more interesting part of news.

Because I have news about cars that either A exist or B are interesting to drive.

Great.

I have news like that.

First off, I just want to say that I'm not a feelin' any of them.

I want to say I have good and bad enthusiast news right at front.

You probably read this already, but I just wanted to touch on it real quick.

The Supra and the Z4.

Two cars we like. Two cars are obviously very related. I know they're both BMWs.

I get it. They both now have manuals.

Yep.

And in last year 2024, 60% of buyers picked manual transmission.

We did it everyone.

Exactly.

We saved the manual.

Exactly.

Now that doesn't mean these are small numbers.

These are like, you know, 1,500, 2,000 cars we're talking about.

But the point I'm making here is it does show that the market continues to exist.

It's not just people buying Porsche GT3s that want manuals.

They're clearly were buyers for the Toyota Supra, which has been out for years.

And the Z4 that went out for years are clearly were buyers for both.

That when they showed up with the manual, they went, now I want that car.

Which is very cool.

The bad news in the enthusiast category, but also may be speaks to the problems with this car.

I want to go to Ford real quick and Ford released the Mustang Machi.

And we all, we were part of it.

We all cried foul.

What are you doing?

Yep.

To their success, they should have done just, just called it the Machi.

But okay, the Mustang Machi in order to essentially get all of us to pay attention.

And we did.

We did so much that the Mustang Machi in 2024 outsold the actual Mustang.

The Mustang was new in 2024.

It was the new Mustang.

The new Mustang.

The new Mustang Machi electric SUV that we all cried foul outsold the new Mustang.

Now that says two things to me.

First off, why are we this obsessed with SUVs?

And secondly, why is the new Mustang better?

I think it's a failure on the new Mustang as well.

Yes, it is.

Well, that means we need to save the Mustang because we've saved the manuals.

You're right.

The manuals are saved.

Humans have saved the whales.

We've saved the children and we've saved the last dance.

So we need to focus our attention humans on the Mustang because the Machi outsold it.

This thing that couldn't exist.

Like you said, it couldn't possibly.

Why does this car exist?

Yeah, there's that.

There's two other bits of news.

New things coming.

New things we heard about.

But now they're actually coming.

We have pricing.

We have information.

Picture in your mind.

Wherever you are.

Before this is a video podcast, you have to picture.

Picture in your mind.

You're happy place?

No.

The current, very attractive Toyota Prius.

Yeah.

Now picture that in your favorite color.

I actually like it in red.

I like it in blue.

I think it's a great looking car in every color of scene.

And picture the new Prius.

Toyota is releasing a new trim.

You all heard about this?

The new trim on the Prius is called Night Shade.

Very cool name.

I mean, the Prius Night Shade, that sounds cool.

It sounds menacing.

What color do you picture?

The Prius Night Shade is being nightshade.

Something night and shade.

It's like a Batman's Prius, right?

Yeah.

It's like whoa, man.

You know what color this is?

It's saven fuel.

It's yellow.

It's super bright.

I like yellow.

I'm the guy that drives the taxi cab.

I'm the guy that drives the stupid yellow Lotus Elise.

And I love it.

This is close to my Lotus Elise color,

which I am all for yellow.

I am the rare guy that's like,

yes, make that car in yellow.

I'm fine with the Prius in yellow,

but it's called Night Shade.

It's like Toyota was looking over at Mercedes

when they came out with the black edition

and painted it red.

They've got the black edition.

Yes, you're right.

The black edition that comes in colors.

Yeah.

Which was very bizarre.

Yes.

I mean, at least Volvo with all their weird names,

when they do a black edition,

guess what color it is?

It's all black.

I mean, at least they're like right.

Everything's black.

Stick to the name.

Words mean something.

So it's a shame.

Nightshade.

Everybody is now the yellow exclusive Prius.

Exclusive Prius in yellow called,

I'm sorry, I have to say it again.

Nightshade.

I mean, do you think Batman will fit his cape in there

so he can save?

I mean, he could get great gas mileage

and he can still sprint off the line.

It's no Batmobile, but.

Not painted yellow.

Here's a fun challenge.

Go up to your non-car interested friend

and ask them what color they think a car comes in

if it's called Nightshade.

I tell you to a person nobody's going to guess yellow.

I think night and shady.

Okay.

The final last bit of news on the enthusiast side

is the Corvette ZR1 we knew it was coming

because apparently the close to 1,000 horsepower

of the Z06 is not enough.

This is the nearly 1,100 horsepower Super C8 Corvette.

1,064 horsepower is what they're talking about.

Pricings been announced.

Base price.

175,000 dollars.

Which is without question the cheapest

hyper-car number price tag out there.

However, you know with carbon bits and whatever

this is going to be $200,000 any one of them on MSRP

and then they're going to have $5200,000 worth of markup.

You know it's coming.

I will spin that just slightly

because that makes it a bargain.

It's only just above the recently reintroduced 911 Correa S

which starts at about 148,000.

So if you can get a ZR1 with more than twice the horsepower

actually almost triple the horsepower.

You're getting is the top Corvette

just above the base 911.

You're right.

No, it's an excellent point.

Well speaking of GM,

they have a new head of design.

Michael Simco is stepping down and handing the entire show

over to Brian Nezbit.

Brian has had a long career

and I've never met Brian.

He's done excellent work.

He is also the man behind the PT Cruiser.

And the Chevy IJ-R.

And the seventh generation Chevy Malibu.

And the 1997 Chrysler CCV concept

that was a modern interpretation of the Citroen Duscheva.

It was supposed to be an inexpensive car for a market.

Now, I have questions.

You might think that a good designer

would have a history of only supercars

or the best sellers or whatever,

but a good designer can also make a career

on designing cars and participate.

I don't know that he was the head designer,

but he definitely participated

and heavily contributed towards what we say here in the news.

He can meet the design brief

for what the product is going after.

And the best designers,

it's not just about designing the next Ferrari

or the next church or whatever.

It's meeting the design brief

and sales of those products

are really reflective of designers

who can design something

that can be made for profit.

That is a hallmark of great designers.

I hear you on that.

So I give him full marks for doing so.

I mean, they sold a lot of these kinds of cars.

The resume does not suggest

we're going in a good direction, though.

I have to say.

I don't know his full resume either.

He may have participated

and contributed to a lot of other vehicles as well.

And, you know, I have to say,

the PT Cruiser Chevy H-R,

which was a PT Cruiser competitor,

and the Chevy Malibu,

none of these are like,

let's make that guy design the next sexy thing.

Unless it's for a design brief.

And the company says,

all right, here's what we're going after.

Best designer, we'll put you on that one.

The best designer goes,

I want to design the cool sports car

with the manual transmission in the V8.

But you don't always get to.

And he's had a full career.

Correct.

And a successful career.

Let's hope this is a new,

fun styling direction.

I want to know for lots of reasons.

I know we're just talked about the ZR1

and they're probably going to be a Zora.

But what's the Corvette C9?

More!

But what's the design of that?

Can we have mid-engine,

but make it more timeless in styling

and less folded paper?

Can we have something timeless?

And can we get our manual back?

And can Cadillac make a question?

I am.

That's great.

I am hoping.

And I like the C8 a lot.

Yeah, I love our C8.

It's a great car.

I would love to see refinement for the C9.

That's a lot of news.

I have to touch on one bit of news

that has nothing to do with cars,

but is heavy on our hearts right now.

And that is the city of Los Angeles.

We started the show in LA.

Paul and I met in LA.

We had more than a decade of friendship in LA.

Areas that we lived in,

traveled through people where we know

those homes no longer exist.

You've all seen on the news,

these crazy wildfires.

Who knows how they started,

but the big problem is

the wildfires have just picked up embers

and carried places where

there's no containment.

As of us recording this podcast,

there are multiple fires

raging through the city of Los Angeles,

destroying entire neighborhoods.

It's one of the most populated areas

in the world to ever have a fire like this.

It is leveling homes.

It doesn't matter who you are.

It is taking entire people's lives.

And I don't know if these folks

have got insurance,

if these homes will be rebuilt.

This is going to be years

you were mentioning earlier,

Paul some cases,

possibly decades for recovery.

We are saddened.

We have friends in LA.

We keep checking on it.

You do, please check on your friends.

Our hearts are heavy about this.

There's no good news here.

We just want to acknowledge it,

because it is obviously a headquarters

of car culture.

It's where our show started.

We have a lot of history there.

We go there regularly every year

to film for the show.

I was going to say that.

Yeah.

So we are watching it very closely.

It feels like home in a moment like this,

even though it isn't where we live.

So we are horrified.

We are thankful for firefighters.

We are thrilled with every story

that we read where people are getting out

with their family

and loved ones and pets.

And sometimes, at the last minute,

it is horrifying,

but our hearts are with LA.

Yeah, for sure.

And we don't usually bring up

moment in time,

kinds of things on this podcast,

because there's stuff happening around the world constantly

that are a stake in the ground,

a moment in time,

a date on a calendar.

Did you remember that?

But you're right,

because of where this show started,

because my alma mater is just above the Rose Bowl,

art center college of design.

And the fires close.

And we're both you and I lived in

Pasadena and you were in Glendale.

Yes.

Those areas are in the evacuation zone.

So we almost feel like we're, you know,

our hearts are with people there.

And it's also because when you said

we go back frequently for shooting there,

we do fly and we get press cars.

This is not an overnight turnaround.

This could take a decade.

This could take longer than that for neighborhoods

to even look like a neighborhood again.

And so we'll be going there.

Whenever we do.

And yeah, like you said,

our hearts are with everybody in L.A.

And it's just tough to watch.

It's tough.

It's really hard.

My feet is all of these before and after things.

And it's chilling.

It'll linger.

I'm sure, you know, in the future shoots,

when we'll be there,

we'll capture some of it on cameras, you know?

Probably, yeah.

Just because of the wide,

the wide reaching area.

So I'm glad to acknowledge that.

And our hearts are with L.A.

Like you said,

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Two cool card debates from long-term listeners.

I love that people just show up and say,

here's my card debate.

I've been listening forward in some cases a decade.

And they just have been listening forever.

And I'm now writing in.

I love that you guys are out there just listening,

taking in the podcast,

enjoying being a part of this community,

and then you decide to write.

That's really, really cool.

I do want to say real quickly,

if you haven't rated and reviewed this podcast,

this is what keeps us one of the best known automotive podcasts.

Go to wherever you listen.

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give us a rating and a review.

That's how other people find us when they look for car podcasts.

We've got a lot of stuff going on this year,

headed toward the thousandth and beyond.

And we're just thankful to have all of you guys with us.

We appreciate the feedback.

And we also greatly appreciate every time you write us,

send us little photos, whatever,

everyday driver, TV at Gmail is where to reach us

or directly through our everydaydriver.com website.

We do read it all.

Literally, Paul or I read everything we get.

And sometimes both of us read it so we can get back to you properly.

Or a card debate like Matthew

who is choosing a retirement gift.

Yes, Matthew.

Thank you so much for writing.

He's a patron.

He's been following us since he came across

our Miata Generations piece in 2017.

That's really cool.

Matthew is about to retire from the NYPD.

And as part of that process gets a check for $48,650.

And he's turning it over to us to buy it.

No, he's not.

He's just wanting to know what cars he should buy.

But apparently all of it plus more is allocated

to buying two cars, not just one.

He says this comes from increased pension contributions

throughout his career.

And he wants two cars as retirement gifts to himself

as he's jumping off point to regularly move towards

better different and more expensive cars in the future.

What a great place to start.

I have listened Matthew.

There's plenty that goes in here.

I love this.

This is great.

He's going to be buying a house within the next year.

His MOF gave him the green light to use this bonus check

as his total budget.

But all other savings going towards the house purchase.

His poll limit is at 50 grand.

What can you get for his current car,

which is a 2012 manual transmission V6 Mustang convertible,

135,000 miles on it.

But he also is looking for change in his couch cushions

and begging from friends, family, and fools.

So let's say, all right, let's say we've got $50,000

from this bonus.

By the way, a career in the NYPD.

Wow, man.

Thank you for that, sir.

It's not great.

You can't even imagine the stories you can tell.

So $50,000, that's the bonus.

Then we've got a car to sell.

What's that car worth?

Eight, maybe?

Eight to nine.

Let's say ten.

And that includes the extra change he finds in the couch.

I think we've got 60 grand to work with here,

but probably no more.

But that's for two cars.

Car one, he says, this is first and foremost,

the fun car.

He'd like it to be two-seat rear-wheel drive manual transmission.

Primary use here is fun driving in mountain roads

in Northeast Pennsylvania.

That sounds really fun.

Maybe the occasional track day, he's going to be living

about ten miles from Pocono Raceway,

which actually are Northeast franchise.

Does events at Pocono?

I've got a couple this year in 2025.

They do.

If you look into that, Matthew.

And comfortable enough to use on a long road trip.

Like he'd like to go down a tail of the dragon.

We would too.

We're going to do that this year.

That's going to be great.

So as a result, it needs to be comfortable.

We're not getting you an lease, clearly.

So that's happening.

So that's car one is the fun car.

Car two needs to have a little bit of utility.

It wants to be a hatch.

Utility, shmutility.

Well, you know, but whatever.

We're trying to help you.

We can allocate everyone.

Hatch, sedan, wagon, doesn't care.

But he doesn't want an SUV.

The closest he gets to SUV because he gives his own list

is what he calls, thank you for doing this.

Porsche's GTI, the Macon.

That's as close into SUV land as he goes.

He likes it to be able to seat four people roughly six feet tall

because he and his wife and their growing boys

are all around six feet tall.

So there's no back seats.

We'll work here.

He knows the kids aren't done growing.

Man of transmission is the preference.

But good dual clutch is okay on this.

This will also be the winter duty car.

It should be fun.

But again, it has to do all of these utility stuff

of take everybody for longer road trips

and still be interesting to drive.

And then the added requirement, which is quite a requirement,

is it should be able to fit a wheelchair

in the cargo area or trunk for those times

when he chauffeurs his mom around.

Matthew's car history includes an 85 Volkswagen GTI manual,

manual steering, hand crank, manual windows.

He's also had an 86 Volkswagen GTI manual transmission.

Almost as good as the 85.

Hydraulic steering.

Okay.

Then he got an 89 Jetta GLI 16 valve.

That's another Volkswagen, by the way.

It had the recarotrophy seats.

That is cool actually.

That's really good.

They're cool.

Then he had a Volkswagen GTI from 1997.

By the way, we're four Volkswagen's deep right now.

We're four deep.

Anyway.

It was not the VR6.

Not as much fun as his Mark II GTIs,

but it did have the new speed chip,

tectonics exhaust, and the new speed bogey suspension,

which helped.

And an O2 Volkswagen Beetle GLS manual,

with a 20 valve turbo.

Wait a minute, that's another Volkswagen.

Another Volkswagen, guess what it likes?

A PR tune, but you know, only when it worked.

He said a lot of electrical issues,

sourd him on Volkswagen's at that point.

Well, it was only five Volkswagen's in a row.

I mean, good grief.

All right.

Moving on from Volkswagen, yeah.

Then he got a 99 Mustang GT convertible manual,

not fast, great V8 sounds.

With an aftermarket exhaust,

he likes to tune his cars.

He does, for sure.

Then he went to an O9 Toyota Corolla automatic transmission,

which was mind numbingly boring.

And because he writes you can't polish a turd,

it's no mods.

No mods.

Just left it like it was, didn't like it,

but that causes him to go back to Mustang

a 2012 V6 Mustang convertible.

The one he's talking about, he has right now manual transmission,

long tube headers, ported intake.

Actually, he changed the rear gearing to 3.73.

So he said it's made this rental spec significantly quicker

and more fun than it was stock.

I have no doubt.

But that is the one with 135,000 miles

that he's going to sell for whatever it's worth,

which again, I think is probably 10 on the high side.

But that is that car.

He says his list.

As he stated,

makes him a Volkswagen fanboy,

but he says the brand doesn't matter.

They're dead to him.

So for car number one, standouts include

a 987.2 boxster.

He's always wanted to Porsche.

Don't forget those words, Matthew.

I'll come back to those words when you say

I've always wanted to blank.

Uh-huh.

Guys, come back.

We scroll back up.

Matthew, you're listening.

You're a patron.

Hello.

You write that sentence and you know

where this is going.

Anyway, we'll come back.

He says the one he wants would probably be

a little bit of a stretch.

What if it didn't have to be two cars?

What if it were just one?

You got yourself a boxster for 60 grand, Matthew.

Problem solved.

Again, Matthew, you've listened to this podcast.

We can't be surprising you at this point, but we will.

We will soldier on.

There could be a sign-up sheet in the kitchen

for which one of your family members gets to ride with you

for that day.

Love it.

And just say, look, it's available three months out.

Put your names on the list.

Walk, take the bus, don't care.

But that person's going with me today.

Yep.

He says he's also intrigued by the LS3C six-generation Corvettes

because he was brought home from the hospital in 1975

in the hatch of his parents.

C3 Corvettes.

Hospitals weren't picky then.

They weren't picky.

Yeah, I have those weird stories too.

It's very ridiculous.

Yes.

He's also heard Mianna's are always the answer.

Like a 2019 to 2021 ND2 club.

At least he says the least transmission issues in those years

in the sole red.

Yeah, the early ones were problematic, yeah.

Might be good.

For car number two, he would love to get a Fiesta ST

because this seems to be the closest thing

to a modern Mark II GTI.

But he thinks back seat room would be an issue.

We don't think.

We know.

Thank you.

Thank you for saying it that way because that's absolutely true.

There's no thinking.

The back seat room would be an issue, yes.

Absolutely.

No.

He wouldn't mind a Mark 7.5 GTI because of nostalgia.

But Volkswagen's dead to you.

I think we're good there.

Says the Chevy SS.

Sounds fun.

But the price point will keep him out of the manuals

and they're a bit heavy for the tight and twisty roads.

WRXs also seem to check a lot of the boxes.

And he likes the idea of that Porsche GTI,

which he said.

But again, the price might make something he moves into

down the road.

Could be hard, yeah.

So I like that you say all these choices are jumping off points.

This is just for now.

This is just retirement gift.

Let's try this now.

Who knows how long you'll have them.

Then we'll move on to something else.

We want to know what you're doing in retirement.

Come to an HOD track day.

Yes.

And by the way, Mark, one of the regional owners in the Northeast,

he just got a GR86 and he's going to be thrashing that thing.

So go find Mark.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I betcha he would let you drive that thing.

You will cackle.

If not, go riding with Mark.

Because we'll show you how it's done.

He is.

Yes.

Fast.

All three.

Mark, Cody and Santi, they are very fast.

Yeah.

And you can get great instruction there.

You can get on Polkano.

By the way, they're doing a July 4th,

three day Watkins Glen event, Matthew,

that is going to be a huge event for them.

We aren't able to go to that one,

but make sure you go to the Watkins Glen event.

It's going to be the do not miss event for the Northeast.

This year's going to be incredible.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Jumping in to car number one.

Yes, I like your Miyada suggestions.

Because if I'm going to recommend a Miyada MX-5,

I went immediately, if you haven't seen our new video,

on the ND3 MX-5 compared to the Z4,

M40i manual,

I would love you to get the ND3.

There are $36,000.

So I've got what, 24 left to spend.

Can I push on your budget at all?

Okay.

How about an NC generation?

Compromise between your ND2?

Well, not really.

ND2, you could get one of those probably last.

29, 27.

The early ND2's, he can absolutely get for 25.

25.

The early ones are down to 25 for sure.

The problem is you want to get, he's right.

The very early ones had significant transmission problems

with the manuals,

and they fought with a first-second gear problem

for a little while.

You've got to get past the first couple of years.

Got the power bump in that point too, didn't you?

Yes, the two is helpful.

That's the thing.

You do want the two.

By the two, they had most of the transmission issues

solved, so you don't want to do ND1.

We're getting there, yes.

Also, the Corvette is good.

I like your Corvette idea.

You could investigate C6s.

There's probably one million of them for sale.

Yes.

And you can go find one for, let's say, 25 to 28.

And they'll be good.

You can find the manual.

There you go.

You've got your convertible, a cool sports car.

But remember how I was talking about the words?

You said I've always wanted a Porsche.

Oh, those words, yes.

Matthew, here's how we look at it.

We both know that you are going to get a Porsche

in your life, right?

We know that it's just going to happen.

But you're also retiring after a career with the NYPD.

You have worked hard, my friend.

Thank you for your service.

Thank you for everything you've done.

You've probably been through the ringer.

I have no doubt.

The stories from Matthew will be great.

Yeah.

I say, now's the time.

Yes, the Miatas will be around.

Yes, there will always be Corvettes to choose from.

You can go get yourself a GR86 at some point or a Super or a Z4

or any of the cool fun stuff that's out there.

But I'm talking about now.

I'm talking about retirement because doesn't it sound juicy

that when I retired, I bought a Porsche.

That's the sentence, the end.

I retired, bought a Porsche.

Fair.

All right, yeah, I got you.

Midlife, what?

I don't care.

I retired and I got a Porsche.

There you go.

I'm giving you justification.

I'm giving you permission, Matthew, to go get

and spend a touch, just a little bit.

Just a tiny bit.

A little bit more to go find that 987.

I was thinking about an inexpensive 986.

But you're right.

You want the 987.2.

Go get yourself one.

I bet you can find loads of them for sale.

And then when neighbors ask, they'll be like,

oh, cool new Porsche.

And you're like, yeah, I retired.

That's what this means.

Think of the license plate that you'll get.

Yeah, there you go.

It's endless.

All right, for car number two, I was thinking about your consideration

and I'm wondering about the Accurate Integra.

That's good.

Not the type-ass, but because it has the hatch.

I'm with you.

For your mom's wheelchair, because those flatten.

And then you can get it in that hatch area.

A lot of space.

But it comes in six-speed or CVT.

This is the issue.

So you're going to have to go do a test drive.

And I bet you can find them for probably under 30.

I bet you can, yeah.

If the CVT is up to your liking, again,

you're not looking at these as forever cars.

True.

It's for now.

And we like how the Integra drives.

We had the manual.

We also had the Civic Type R manual and the Civic as I manual.

If the CVT is doable.

And I'm encouraged because we like the one on the Civic Touring.

We like that CVT, actually.

As CVTs go.

Yes.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm wondering if you could go drive an Accurate Integra

and see if you like it in the CVT.

Of course, I would recommend the manual.

Yeah, for sure.

Can you, can you go on with the manual?

Yeah, that'd be good.

Or, I guess, well, the Civic SI wouldn't work

because of that hatch that the Integra has.

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's going to depend on wheelchairs vary, wheelchairs

the way they fold down vary.

So you're going to have to check

because I do like the Civic SI would be great here.

But you're right.

I don't know if that trunk's big enough.

That is the big unknown for me on CarTube.

Is that your list?

That's kind of my list right now.

I was thinking about some others,

but I that lift back style for the wheelchairs.

It seems like it'll help.

It pushed me towards the Integra.

Yeah, I'll start there on CarTube.

The fun fordor, if you will,

because the wheelchair is the big wild card here.

And I think you're going to have to take it

to some of these test drives.

Or at least, if not that,

mock up something, a box or something

that is the same size as what that's going to be folded

so that you have something to just try

in some of these trunks or hatches

and make sure you can make it work

because you're right.

The Fiest ST is way too small.

Not going to work.

I like it.

But it's way too small.

Now, I will say my favorite in the hatch world

if you're wanting to talk small hatches,

is the mini lineup.

Because those hatches are bigger than you think.

And if you go...

Just like the name.

Exactly.

If you go Clubman,

the rear seats are bigger than you think.

But they're not super...

They're not really agile like the Fiest ST.

They don't have the frenetic nature of the Fiest ST.

So maybe not there.

The GTI...

I'm putting it in the maybe column

because it's another Volkswagen.

We've done this.

Matthew, you have had Volkswagen.

This box has been checked.

So there is that.

I have...

I mean, the good ones too.

You had really great ones.

That is true.

So I have three for you.

Because the big things that took away from this family four door are

it needs to road trip.

Yeah.

With four people roughly six feet tall.

That is space.

That is leg room.

That is amenities.

So I don't think small hatch works.

I really don't.

I know you want that for the agility.

But the other car is going to be little in agile.

Then we'll get there.

The Porsche that he buys.

Exactly.

That one.

So road trip.

But still fun to drive.

Can haul four people plus gear.

So there's got to go a little bigger.

I have three for you here.

You mentioned one of them.

And that is the Chevy S-S in automatic.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

You still think so?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Because you said you're worried that it feels big.

But you need space for this car.

As long as you want it to be a little hatchback.

You need it.

I mean, you tell me four people that are close to six feet tall.

And we're right out of hatchbacks.

We're out of small cars.

How much are hellcat chargers these days?

Be careful.

Matthew.

But the Chevy S-S automatic.

You've talked about having interest in Corvettes.

This is your four-door Corvette.

This is a car you can find them all day long for your price point.

Now the manuals are 40.

I'm talking automatic.

But it's even getting automatic with the Magna Ride.

For around 30, that is a buy.

That is a great car.

And you will shock yourself with how capable it is on a back road.

Even though it's a bigger car.

They are incredibly agile and really good.

I have two others for you.

I don't think either one of them will be as dynamically good as the S-S.

But they might be better to be in.

One is the Kia Stinger GT.

That's good.

That's really good.

Really nice hatch.

That's a really good one.

And it's direct competitor.

We actually put them in a comparo forever ago.

The BMW 4 Series Grand Coupe.

Are those in the price point?

If he gets the 4-cylinder, the Turbo 4-cylinder is one of those BMW engines

where you're like, well, it's got to have more power than it claims.

And that's the end of it.

That's the end of it.

Exactly.

That 4-cylinder, the 4-30, is surprisingly agile.

That's the one we put with the Kia Stinger GT.

And those are absolutely down in the price point.

There's like 25.

How much are you allocating for both cars?

For each car here?

I'm looking at 25 to 30 for each car.

Okay.

So you're kind of splitting it right down the middle.

Yeah, I'm kind of much going right down the middle.

I mean, you could go at the place.

But that's what I kind of targeted for.

And again, Chevy SS BMW 4 Series Grand Coupe or Kia Stinger GT.

Those are all right at that 25, 30 grand range.

You could get all of those.

I think that does what you actually are asking for,

which is you need space, Matthew.

I'm sorry to get you in a bigger car, but you just need the space.

So there's that.

So that takes me to the fun car.

Paul's right.

You said I've always wanted to Porsche.

It's hard for me to give you any other recommendations

after you've thrown that line out there.

But I'm going to give you drive homework.

Good.

And if you're going to buy the Porsche,

because you've said the fateful words,

I've always wanted a, whatever the end of that sentence,

it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

But that's the thing you should go buy.

But I want you to drive a C6 Grand Sport.

Yeah.

I'd like you to buy to drive a base C7 slip there.

Yeah, I'd like you to drive a base C7 as well.

Because keep in mind, with Corvette, you can do Targas.

You don't have to go full convertible.

The thing I want you to ponder about these convertibles is,

if you're going to take it to the track,

you may have to do other things to it.

Now, hooked on driving, we actually have,

certainly in the A novice level,

we have pretty easy going about what convertibles you can bring.

Most modern convertibles you can bring.

For you starting out.

But if you really are going to track this,

and I get the sense, you might track this.

That's kind of how your email reads.

You might, but it's really not the point.

But I want you to kind of cross reference,

how much do you think you'll track it?

Therefore, how many modifications might it require?

But again, the C6 or C7 Corvette in Targa form

is just ready to go on track.

But you still get the removable top.

So that's something to think about.

Yes, of course, the MX-5 Miata would work.

But you've told us about the fact that you and everyone

in your family's roughly six feet tall.

I don't know that any of them are going to be happy passengers

in the ND Miata.

Well, they only have to be happy passengers in car number two.

True, but true, but I just...

Car number one zero passengers.

It can just be, it's a one-seater.

I just care about your happy customer.

So I think keep that in mind about the Miata.

It might not be big enough for your usage.

There are three other cars I want you to drive.

You need to drive the GR86.

You need to drive it.

Because depending upon your usage, it might be perfect.

It's not a convertible, but it might be perfect.

So please drive that.

There are two other convertibles you should consider.

Jaguar F-Type.

Think so?

I wouldn't think of it as a track car, but a back-road car in Pennsylvania.

And a road trip car?

Yes, let's take that down to tail of the dragon.

Is it the most dynamic thing ever?

No, but it's not going to disappoint you

and it's going to be...

It's a Jaguar F-Type.

Sounds great.

Looks amazing.

Comes in convertible.

Fantastic road trip car.

Jaguar F-Type.

And then you have to drive.

A couple of generations of the BMW Z4.

Because the big thing the Z4 does is it offers you

real six-foot tall person space

and cargo space that is still an excellent dynamic convertible.

I am making a list all around the obvious

where you brought up Porsche Boxer.

So you have to drive that as well.

But I want you to drive these others.

I work your way there, Matthew.

What I don't want you to do seriously.

I don't want you to just go buy a Boxer.

I want you to drive these others.

I know you do.

That's not a surprise.

No one listening is shocked, including Matthew and family.

But I want you to drive these other things.

So that if the Boxer is what you decide on,

you know what the others kind of feel like.

Correct, yes.

Agreed.

Matthew, happy hunting.

Thank you for writing.

If you've got a debate like Matthews,

you don't have to be retiring.

Or close to retiring.

No.

I mean, Matthew, you're still a young guy.

I mean, you're retiring.

I'm just curious, yeah, what's next for you?

So very cool.

Buying cars and going on road trips

and going to hook on driving events.

That's great.

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but he's bored.

He's really bored.

He's looking for something more engaging with four doors,

low miles, and possibly a manual transmission.

His daily commute is about 30 miles each way.

This is the car we're solving.

But the issue is he can't just go fun

because he's about to have kid number two.

In fact, at the time you're telling us

you may be father of kid number two

as of the time this podcast comes out.

Because you said sometimes in the first week or two

of January, here we are,

you were going to be the father of your second,

which is pretty crazy.

So you have a four-year-old and a newborn,

which means to count them two car seats in the back.

His minister of finance has said

he has to have something with four doors

and be enough sensible to have two car seats in the back.

We understand this.

So he's dealing with, I don't know, maybe $20,000

because he could buy out the lease of the civic

for 18 and a half.

So he'd like to have $20,000

but he knows that Paul's here with me.

So he's given a limiter of $25,000.

Thanks for that number.

We'll throw that out.

We will toss that out.

I pick our own number.

Exactly.

He's had a couple other Honda civics

in the course of his life.

He's also had a 2005 mark for Volkswagen GTI

that he did everything you could do to that.

Traded that for a 2011 Audi A4 automatic.

Drove that and put a bunch of guess what?

APR stuff on it.

This is every time we release a Volkswagen video ever.

Like the first commenter tells you everything

from APR you're supposed to put on it.

Why isn't that good from the factory?

That's my question every single time we had it.

So this is where we're going for Steven.

Wolfsburg should mean APR.

If it's the Wolfsburg edition, that should just mean

like we did it as good as APR does it.

AMG.

How off-base am I?

Was the Mercedes tuner until Mercedes just swallowed them up?

Why has it Volkswagen done this APR?

I don't know.

I am so tired of well if you just went to APR.

I know but Volkswagen didn't make it that way.

I'm not sure.

They're too busy building ID buzzes or something like that.

And selling the sausages.

And that's true.

Steven, congratulations on kid number two.

Yes, four doors, low miles, possibly manual for that commute.

Funded car.

Hyundai at Lanter Inn, 25 to 30.

I mean I'm pushing on your budget just a little bit.

You're not.

I actually looked them up on auto tempest.

Used a Lanter Inn's are out there for 25.

25 solid, like not under recall.

No, no, no.

I mean they're solid.

And you're right if he pushes to 30 he has options.

But I found used a Lanter Inn's for 25.

Lanter Inn is the jam.

I agree.

That's why I'm there.

It's really fun.

Anything that is en-badged just means fun.

Ends at the end of the word.

Anyway.

Mazda 3 Turbo, that's only an automatic but it could be a consideration.

Talk to your minister of finance about that.

I really want something from BMW for you.

But you said four doors.

You know, I'm thinking two series, not that nasty coupe thing.

But you know, something four-door.

Could we get you in?

There's the, there's the, this BMW, what are you doing?

There is the BMW two, there's the BMW two series.

Which is a two-door coupe sedan shape.

If I say BMW coupe Todd's like, Ding!

And then there is the BMW two series Grand Coupe,

which isn't even the same chassis.

Yeah.

It's a front wheel drive disaster of a car.

It's a mini underneath.

Mini chassis for the country.

And the mini version is fun and the BMW version is terrible.

But it's too much money anyway.

Anyway, sorry.

I had a fourth choice on the list and I need to phone a friend.

Good thing he's sitting across the table from me.

Okay.

I wanted something like Lexus IS flavored for Steven.

Okay.

I always recommend three series and I was thinking, you know,

go back to a three series, three forty.

You probably couldn't get into an M3.

I'm just thinking four doors.

But then I thought, okay, what from Lexus IS could the IS 50?

The IS 50?

I see.

350.

I mean, I want the 500 for you because the V8,

but the nasty weird interface still exists.

Well, but I also think he's not going to get one for his budget.

That's the problem with the 500.

The 500 would be great, but it's just not going to get it for the budget.

The 500 would be like the dad car because then you can introduce

both kiddos to burnouts.

And this is what daddy does for fun.

The cabin is full of tire smoke.

I have no idea what happened.

I don't know why the car is sitting at the garage currently smoking,

but the kids are laughing.

So I was thinking IS, I mean, they're good.

They're solid, but then three series and M3s, they exist.

That's always our problem with the IS.

But like I said, there could be a deal that you find.

I like outies for you.

Every outie that I want for you is way outside of your budget,

so we'll just leave it to that.

But yeah, the Elantra N is my top choice for you, Steven.

That's way up there for me.

Let's say I go side note from that one, Steven.

Minister of Finance, I'm sure she's listening at this point.

Can we do four seats and three doors?

What about a Veloster Inn?

You can get those all day long for your budget.

And the extra door across.

But the extra doors on the curb side anyway.

You're not going to get the kid out on the traffic side of things as it is.

There's plenty of room in the back seat for those,

because what I think is going to happen here,

the four-year-old is probably in a front-facing, unless they're very small.

Probably in a front-facing child seat now.

So you only have to get away with one rear-facing trash can monster with missiles.

So that's helpful.

If you had two rear-facing, it gets much harder.

So I think you're going to get away with this.

The Veloster Inn has lots of options.

It's every bit as fun to drive as the Elantra Inn.

It is three doors.

It is really weird to look down on the armrest and see three window switches.

It just kind of melts your brain for a minute.

It sells money. They did. They did, for sure.

So anyway, so it is a three-door, but it is excellent to drive.

So look at the Veloster Inn as an alt to the Elantra Inn.

Both of those are very good.

But somebody out there is probably calling my shot.

Because you've listened to this podcast.

Stephen listened to all of them.

But Stephen, you didn't bring it up.

So I have to bring it up.

$25,000.

Fun.

Interesting to drive.

Dead car.

Four doors. Four seats.

And a little bit of cargo space.

You can find Alpha Julia's all day long for this.

So gonna say Subaru WRX.

No.

I'm so gonna say WRX.

Yes, you could.

Back to the beginning of the show.

From the beginning of the podcast.

You can totally get a WRX.

You absolutely could.

I agree.

The WRX, it isn't a car you look back at.

I'm sorry, they can be very fun.

No.

But the WRX looks enough like the rest of the Subaru lineup,

but it's just car to look at.

And the interior is fine.

The Alpha Julia has style.

It is interesting sitting still.

And guess what?

It's also good to drive.

And for $25,000, you have your choice.

Of them out there with the Turbo 4.

The Turbo 4 does not have impressive numbers.

But it feels more powerful than it is.

And the chassis dynamics are excellent.

I found TIs.

I found sports.

I looked on auto-tempest.

There were pages of Alpha Julia's for your budget.

I think if you're really shopping fun, dead car.

It's not a manual.

But in every other way, done.

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S-dot-ali.

Asking for the best winter auto activities.

Keep in mind that S-ali is far too concerned about rust to drive too often.

And guess what?

Devon Bain, our brand new mid-Atlantic region owner along with his wife Heather.

That's true.

Jumped in to say, sim racing.

And Devon is right.

That's true.

There's actual leagues going on our Northeast franchise right now.

He's got a league going on a GR86 league happening all winter,

which is pretty interesting.

That's going up right now.

Devon also suggests buying a beater and doing snowcross.

And he's right on that count too.

I was thinking beater because when you're too afraid of rust to drive too often,

you want to go get something cheap.

You don't care if you curb the rims.

You don't care if you drive over anything.

Whatever, yeah.

And take it out in the winter because it's so much fun in the winter.

I don't want you to deny yourself the fun of just sliding around.

It's so fun.

It's great fun.

I love it.

Yes, Devon is right.

And by the way, check out the new mid-Atlantic region.

Devon is getting that ramped up soon.

And there should be events coming at you.

On Facebook, Daniel says, what's one thing you would love to have in your garage?

Not a car, but a tool or accessory or something like that.

And I have to say, Daniel, two things I'd like to have in my garage.

Neither of which I have right now.

One is, I would love to have a drain in the floor.

I was going to say that.

So you can actually wash it in the garage and it drains the floor.

But my house and the barn for cars don't have that.

Something I really would like to have is not only just a four-post lift,

because I would like to have a four-post lift.

But the four-post lift, there's a name for it.

I just don't know it.

There's like a trolley in the middle.

So normally, when you get your car worked on it,

it's essentially a two-post lift with those arms,

right, that they put underneath on the jackpoint so the wheels are in the air.

I'm not talking that.

I'm talking the four-post storage lifts, but there's a little trolley you can get underneath.

It'll allow you to jack one side of the car or the other.

So you could still do tire swaps on there.

That combination, more money than I can spend,

but that combination will be really cool to have the four-post with that work trolley on it as well.

That's the top of my list.

Matt Garrett, 82.

On Instagram, I was watching an interview with BYD's VP Stella Lee,

where she commented on their focus on research,

learning, and innovation.

The fact that they employ over 100,000 engineers for R&D,

the question is, are our automakers in the West missing out on opportunities

to make interesting vehicles by reactively following market trends

and copying five seed SUVs from each other,

instead of working on creating something cool and new,

like the Yang Wang U9.

I have a question.

I want you to answer this,

but I have a question about that 100,000 engineer line.

Maybe that's true.

But that's, and I don't know.

I don't know, but I'm asking.

What are those 100,000 engineers paid?

Unknown, unknown.

Matt, manufacturers have two heavily leaned into market trends,

and we're seeing with Honda Zero.

Yeah.

Right now, Mitsubishi Nissan, whatever they're going to call it.

The Mits Honda Zero.

Yeah.

That works better because it drives like everything.

Here's what happens, though.

Then it gets over to Europe,

and it becomes the Mitsonda naught.

The new EVO will have the zero at the end.

Uh-huh.

And it's the EV0.

The EV0.

But it's still EVO.

That brain hurts.

Uh-huh.

These car manufacturers are following trends.

What they're doing right now is following the money.

Marketers are saying,

here's the groups of people we identified

that we would like to market this.

We see innovation and market share in this space.

Or we already have it.

And we want to expand.

We want to slice it thinly again.

Whatever we're doing.

So that really drives the product planners

to come up with a briefs for the design team,

say, you know, we either need some new variant of this,

and we're chasing those dollars for the market segment,

especially like a RAV4.

That thing prints money.

Who does?

But car manufacturers have to have that first

to allow them to make their own gang wangs.

You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, either way.

The names are terrible.

They aren't getting better.

If it's simply just the cool stuff,

it's tough for a car manufacturer to justify it

unless they're funded heavily behind the scenes

to be able to do that,

or they are a high-performance branch of said car company.

Yeah, true.

So they've got to focus on the cool first

before they can graduate to the gang wangs of the world.

You're having too much fun with that.

Anyway.

But if they are just gang wangs,

they are an Aston Martin.

We'll say.

Sure.

They're a boutique there.

They aren't stole money behind them or more or something like that.

You know what I mean?

Well, we started the podcast talking about the victory

of the Super and the Z4 selling more manuals than automatics.

But I am talking about thousands of cars,

like barely into the five figures here, folks.

So the answer is make a pickup truck.

Sell it in Texas.

Print the money.

Make your own gang wang.

It's a build a gang wang here on the podcast.

Moving on.

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This is a weird group.

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These three cars currently sitting in front of him.

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Car two is a 2018 Porsche 911 GTS Cabriolet.

And car three is a 2022 Jaguar F-Type P450.

Track daily crush.

Well, at least a Porsche survives.

Just happy about that.

Okay.

All right.

Good to know.

One of them survived.

There's no gang wangs on the list.

The problem is I don't want to track that 356.

And I don't want to daily it either.

I mean, I kind of know.

I hate to crush it.

But I don't want to do either of those things with it.

You know what those things are worth?

They're worth a fortune.

Can I sell that and buy something I would actually daily?

It's a very cool car.

But I don't want to daily it or track it.

That's the problem.

And I'm left with, I have to crush it based on the way

the rules of the game work.

So now I've got GTS Cabriolet or the F-Type P450.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, we come back.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna track the F-Type.

I'm gonna track the F-Type.

I'm probably gonna daily the GTS Cabriolet.

But you know what?

I don't love that car.

You know what?

I'm flipping it all around.

We'll come back, everyone.

I am going to daily the speedster.

You are.

I'm gonna crush the 911.

And I'm gonna track the F-Type.

Of course that's why I lay at it.

That's all I care about.

Either way it worked.

Yeah.

Wolfrog Brown 88 says, with Hookdown Driving,

have we thought about doing a teen driving or a winter

and snow driving program?

We have thought about both implementing them

to make them successful and make them,

make those programs have longevity.

I don't want to introduce something and then

not be able to replicate it year after year.

The ice driving thing.

You and I have always kind of wanted to do the ice drifting course

in Iceland or something like that.

So we've, we've considered that.

We participated in the one in steamboat in 2024,

early 2024, drove a GR Corolla and bounced around on the ice there.

That was fun.

We thought of many ways to improve it.

Yep.

So it would have to have a program that would be longevity

and have to really appeal.

Because correct me if I'm wrong parents,

but when you have a teen driver,

you want them to take drivers' ed

and just get up to a base level.

What's not on your mind is performance driving,

even though that is the thing that will make them

a better driver.

Absolutely.

Because of money.

You don't want to pay extra, you know,

whatever the budget is for that.

But it actually is worth it.

So we'd need to make something.

What's the sweet spot?

Is the question.

Well, and also venues and having consistency.

You're right.

Those are the big, big keys as well.

Danny Hahn on Instagram says in light of what's going on

with California's wildfires, which we talked about earlier,

what are our bug out vehicles?

And he says we can't use the expedition or the Rubikayan.

But then he asks, but then he asks about updates on the Rubikayan.

And you know what?

There is a really cool piece coming.

You've just watched our main channel.

It just released yesterday.

There was the Lexus GX550 and the new Land Cruiser back-to-back

because they're so similar.

But we had that GX550.

That's totally different.

Yeah, they're completely unique.

The GX550, we had it for a little while.

And we actually took it down to Moab, which is teased in that piece.

And we put it with the Rubikayan.

I cannot wait to share that piece with you.

It was so much fun.

We got so many looks driving those down.

Fins and things and other places in Moab.

It was really cool.

So that is coming.

Whether or not I'll do more to it is also TBD.

But I cannot wait to share what that Rubikayan can really do.

Other bug out vehicles.

Can I go with the aerial nomad?

That's really good.

That will go everywhere.

It's got a roll cage.

Mount some guns on it.

Put some stuff in the back.

We're going.

I'm being a nomad.

We're out.

I think mine's going to be a Sherp.

You're going nowhere fast, but you are going everywhere.

I'm going everywhere.

You're going everywhere.

You were going places.

I can't dream up.

You're just going to...

I'm expecting roads to not exist.

It's the tortoise and the hare.

Yes.

You will get everywhere in the Sherp.

I mean, if there's a lake ahead of me.

Don't care.

Just go right in.

Sherp.

The Sherp for the wind.

With all the stuff, all the gear, the equipment, and yeah.

I want lights everywhere.

I want it in nightshade.

Is what I want it in.

Yellow.

Got it.

So yellow.

That means.

Why is nightshade yellow?

I'm sorry.

I don't know.

It's really driving me nuts.

We like Toyota.

I'm pretty tempted to call our friends at Toyota and just say,

can you please explain to me how somebody brought up the really cool name,

night check.

You have to do a bunch of things to make sure you can trademark that name and use it.

So it's not like it came up this morning and we just slapped it on the next.

Time was spent to get nightshade secure.

Meetings were had.

And then they decided, what paint color is that?

That wasn't one quick meeting either.

Is it because it's at gold now?

It's at sunset.

Night is about to shade.

No.

Night is upon us.

Night is about to become shady.

Again.

It's about the word night or the word shade suggests, you know what that is?

Bright.

I don't get it either.

I don't know.

All right.

We will continue to ponder this in the next episode for an hour.

Just kidding.

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