Everyday Driver Car Debate May 6, 2025

994: Ruining The Cayman, The Next Horse, Made-Up Theater

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Chevrolet Corvette

The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and stylish sports car that many people admire. It's famous for being powerful and is often seen as a symbol of American car culture.

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Ford Model T

The Model T was one of the first cars that many people could afford. It was made by Ford and was very popular in the early 1900s.

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BMW New Bmw

The BMW New Class is a group of older BMW cars that changed how the company made cars back in the 1960s and 1970s. It's important because it helped shape BMW into what it is today.

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Lamborghini Gallardos

The Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast and stylish sports car made by Lamborghini. It was popular for its powerful engine and unique looks, and it was made for about ten years.

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Porsche 911

The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for many years. It's known for its unique shape and fast performance, making it popular among car enthusiasts.

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Mazda Miata

The Mazda Miata is a small sports car that's fun to drive. Many people enjoy taking it on trips because it's light and easy to handle.

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Lotus Elise

The Lotus Elise is a small sports car that's very light and fun to drive. It's designed to handle well on curvy roads, making it exciting for people who love driving.

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Mazda MX-5 Miata

The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small, two-seat convertible car that's very fun to drive. It's known for being light and having great handling, especially on twisty roads.

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BMW 1 M

The BMW 1 M is a powerful version of the 1 Series, a small car. It has a turbocharged engine that makes it very fast and fun to drive.

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BMW Z3M

The BMW Z3 M is a sportier version of the Z3, which is a small roadster. It has a stronger engine and better handling, making it more fun to drive.

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Cadillac V-Series Wagon

The Cadillac V-Series Wagon is a sporty version of Cadillac's wagon cars, designed for those who want a mix of speed and utility. It's a rare car that stands out for its performance features.

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Bmw I8

The BMW i8 is a special sports car that uses both gas and electricity to drive. It looks very modern and has cool doors that open up like wings.

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Chrysler PT Cruiser

The Chrysler PT Cruiser is a small car that looks a bit like older cars from the past. It was made from 2000 to 2010 and was liked for its unusual style and roomy inside.

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Chevrolet HHR

The Chevrolet HHR is a small car that looks like old delivery vans. It was made from 2005 to 2011 and was appreciated for having a lot of space inside.

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Toyota Tundra

The Toyota Tundra is a larger pickup truck that can carry heavy loads and is often used for towing and hauling. It's also comfortable for passengers.

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Toyota Tacoma

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Chevrolet Silverados

The Chevrolet Silverado is a big truck that can carry heavy loads and is great for work or family use. It's becoming more expensive, which is something people are talking about.

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Porsche Cayman

The Porsche Cayman is a sports car that is fun to drive. It's designed to handle well and is known for being very responsive on the road.

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BMW M2

The BMW M2 is a small, sporty car that is really fun to drive because it's fast and handles well. People love it for its exciting performance.

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Toyota GR Corolla

The Toyota GR Corolla is a special version of the regular Corolla that is made for driving fun and has features like four-wheel drive, which helps it perform well in winter conditions.

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Toyota Corolla

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Porsche 718 Cayman GT4

The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a more powerful and sporty version of the Cayman, built for better performance on the track and for driving enthusiasts.

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Mercedes GLA45

The Mercedes GLA45 is a sporty version of the GLA-Class, which is a small luxury SUV. It has a powerful engine and sporty features, making it fun to drive.

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This is serious. Uh, I am still on the

back end of a cold. I apologize. It's

why my voice sounds like this. I may

break into a coughing fit in the middle

of this. I hope not, but I'm just

warning you ahead of time. I just wave

your hand and I'll lean I'll lean away

from the mic and I will do my best, but

we're just really excited to do this and

uh we should probably get at it. Here we

go. Do it. 900 episodes. My My son, when

I said to him last night, we were about

to do podcast 900. He said, "Are you

going to say 900 episodes? It's a lot of

us talking.

Yes, you just did. Uh-huh. I was like,

"Okay, son. You're right. I I guess I

will." And and I guess you've heard me

do this at least at least once. So, here

I am. And here we are. And 900 episodes

that it is actually Sorry. It is a lot

of us talking. Uh let's let's dive in

with questions from well, let's we

Discord and Instagram and other places

while you guys tee up your questions

because we're very excited about it.

Um, Ted Theologan is not going to be

with us because he's watching Fiosa. I

hope that's good. I hope that's good,

too. The new Mad Max movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, he's wondering if we like the black

license plate trend.

I kind of like the black license plate

trend. I'm not a fan of black wheels.

Neither are you, but the black license

tag. It's now on the Corvette as show

car. So, that's up there. I'm seeing a

lot more Utah license tag with the black

plate thing, which actually is kind of a

vintage sort of thing, but it might be

like the Model T. It's black because you

only get the one choice and so that we

just painted all the

old tags. My wife has asked for a black

plate. We'll see if we go down that

route. I'm actually going to try to get

um uh we're going to try to get one for

the Amir. That'd be good. Yeah. So,

that's happening. The Amir is is it's so

good. I put 500 miles on it in less than

two weeks. I love it. Kind of hoping

that I can get all the way to engine

break in by the by this weekend, but

we'll see. Happy Memorial Day weekend,

everybody, by the way. We're very

excited about that. Maybe you have some

time off. Tell the story about swapping

the wheels already. You got the wheels

swapped out and they're it's rolling on

silver wheels. Wheels. I cannot wait to

actually show you guys silver wheels. I

have factory silver wheels and didn't

have to powder coat them because after I

dropped that introductory video, a

couple people contacted me about the

car. And one guy, I wasn't sure it was

real. He said, "Hey, I'm about to pick

up the car from Orange County, his own

air from Orange County. What if I drive

it through and we swap wheels cuz I want

black wheels?" And I was like, "Really?"

So he showed up yesterday. He showed up.

Thank you, Mike. And we did this this

hot swap thing because you can you can

jack the Amir up one side at a time. We

did this hot swap thing. We were You

can't find a mirrors anywhere. We had

two in the driveway. We hot swapped out

the neighbors black and both of us left

happier. I'm so excited about the silver

wheels. Even better, which I didn't

think is possible, but it's very, very

cool. I'm so excited. If you haven't

seen that video, hopefully you have.

Yeah, that was a special moment taking

delivery of that thing. first time you

saw it and I I love that it I love that

you're rocking it. You're just driving

it everywhere. That's excellent. Guys,

thank you for joining the podcast. Thank

you for being listeners of uh of the

podcast and and definitely watchers,

consumers of the YouTube content. We

really appreciate it. Appreciate you

sharing the podcast because this is this

is a family, right? This is uh our home

for for all the car enthusiasts out

there. We love that. I'm jumping into a

question here from our friend Andrew

known as Color Cartel asking about the

new BMW art car. I did not see it. I do

love art cars. I'm not super fan. I'm

not really on board with what Jeff Coons

has done with his versions of the art

car. I feel like it's been a lazy

attempt at what Andy Warhol created back

in the 70s. I much prefer those

versions. There have been other people

that have done art cars, the Sharpie

drawings on the Gallardos and a lot of

other stuff, but BMW just kind of has

this thing because of Andy Warhol. So,

no, I haven't seen it. I need to look

that up. But I'm I'm a big fan of art

cars of any kind. And I'm a big fan of

your art car, too. You actually uh did a

911 not too long ago, a couple years

ago, I think, and that was really cool.

So, I'm a big fan. Club Racer 6 says,

"Will an Indie Miata, that's the fourth

gen Miata, the current one, be able to

hang with the group at the Utah

Adventure, or does he need to go with a

C7 Corvette?" You know what, man? Bring

a Miata. People bring Miatas every year

who have a great time. There are

stretches on the trip when having long

legs and a lot of power is helpful, but

they're short short stretches. Most of

it is a car you're happy to be

comfortable in, and again, I've done it

in the Elise and some amazing tight

roads with great corners where you will

be ecstatic to be in that Miata. You'd

have a great time. Don't worry about it.

Got a question here about culdeac car

from Trogdor 147. Thank you for the

question asking what other cars are

examples of culdeac cars because yes the

Elise is that and I think it is the BMW

clown shoe the

Z3M car and also the 1M. Both of those I

I just saw one the other day. It was the

full hard top. The the clown shoes the

Z3 the M version of that car.

really cool looking. There's no

interesting question. What do you think

from that? That's interesting. Because

of its usefulness, because of the

engine, because of how small it is, all

those things, just the look to it, and

of course the 1N, but also we've talked

about those uh those moment in time cars

from 2011, 2012, 2013. The Cadillac V

series wagon could be a moment in time

car. I think it is a moment in time car.

And you're right, there really isn't a

good car right now to jump to after

that. It could be a culde-sac car too

because the reality is even if you get a

hot wagon in the states and you're lucky

enough to do that, you can't get it

manual. No. And that was a hot wagon in

manual that's pretty much done. I also

wonder if the BMW i8 is a culde-sac car

because of what that does. Because most

car makers have not made a plug-in

hybrid supercar looking thing that's

really a GT car with a removable top.

That's a weird combination that I don't

know exists beyond buying that car.

That's good. Yeah. All those moment in

time cars that we identified. There's PT

Cruiser. No, sorry. That's a whole

separate thing. No, that is that is a

culde-sac car. You could buy the Chevy

HHR. The wrong culde-sac. Yeah, you're

you're just lost. That's what's

happened. Yeah, totally good. That's

more of like a corn maze. Like you did

it wrong. It's not a culde-sac so much.

It's the corn maze car. That's very

good. That's really good. Halloween corn

maze. I really really like that. That's

excellent kinds of cars. Uh yeah, I I I

think there's going to be more of those

cars in the future.

It's I I think the new ND3 will become

that. The new Miata will become that.

Very interesting. Very interesting. I

think G86s are in that category, but uh

but yeah. Uh somebody's asking here that

is uh Scott Row Scott is asking, "Do we

think the Toyota Tacoma and the Tundra

are way overpriced or are they both

worth it?" H two thoughts here. On the

surface, those prices are ridiculous.

They're crazy how expensive those those

things are. Now, however, they are also

surprisingly competitive with everything

else they directly compete with.

Full-size trucks alongside the Tundra

cost about what the Tundra does. Uh

Silverados are really expensive now.

Those midsize, you know, trucks that

like the Tacoma are about as expensive

as that. Maybe a little bit less, but

not much. So, so we have two thoughts

here.

one, I can't believe that the market is

that expensive because it just is.

Toyota charging a premium for both of

theirs. They're leaning on their

reputation and hoping that they are both

very good. I feel like trucks across the

board though are too expensive. Uh

trucks used to be the cheap buy. They

used to be simple. They are none of the

above right now and so you got to pay

for it. Annoir is asking about some

hooked on driving events in the

Washington DC and Virginia area. Our

northeast region did a VIR event earlier

this year, but it's not as common as we

want it to be. So, thank you for the

note. We are definitely looking more of

that area and uh some other new areas,

too. But, uh yeah, keep a keep an eye on

the calendar. We're always going to be

updating that. But, interestingly, now

through probably September is about the

time where we're going to be working

with tracks for the following year for

2025. So, we're starting to investigate

dates for that. So, keep your eye on the

calendar there. I've also got a question

from Eli Miller talking about early M2s.

They're now

$45,000. Is one in my future? Eli,

thanks for the question. Yes, I nearly

bought one years ago. I stayed with

Cayman. I really love the Cayman. I

drove it again. I got an oil change

today. The air filter was really dirty,

like embarrassingly dirty, but it just

came to life. It's just such a great car

to drive. And I do like the M2, but then

the Competition came out. Then the CS

came out, which I liked even better. But

then there's the problem of all the GR

cars that have come along, especially

the GR Corolla. And I've toyed with the

idea about one of those just being the

perfect winter car. Skis, all-wheel

drive, winter tires, perfect. I I would

love one of those, but I admit to

wanting a GT4, so I need to like sell

the current Cayman.

I'm sorry. Sorry. Double the budget. You

got to pick a lane. You got to pick

which dream garage you want to fill. I

get it. Yeah, I totally get it. And get

a GT4. How can I get into a GT4? Just a

718 Cayman GT4. Just a 718 GT4. It's got

to have the seats. I find a lot of them,

but they they don't have the right

seats. I don't understand. Why would you

buy that car without the bucket seats? I

don't get it. If you're getting the

comfort seats in a GT4, I don't

understand. I find a lot of those. Jared

Buyer says, "Is there a car that is the

perfect blend of backro hothatch and

comfy highway GT car?" He's hoping more

hothatch than a Mercedes GLA45, but also

more comfortable. I can think of one

right now. Okay. The Acura Integra Type

S. That's very good. Yes. Would would do

it. And here's the other part of that

equation. We we have a friend, uh,

Chris. He goes by the Toeer. He does

like the definitive POV stuff on

YouTube. Yeah. He has the FL5, the

latest type R. And he did there's a

there's a very common upgrade online

where you put in the suspension module.

It plugs in from the Type S into the

Type R and it gives the Type R, it takes

away its most aggressive setting, but it

makes the suspension much more livable.

So theoretically, you could do a Type R

with that change and pull it off as

well. Both of those would work. Although

I like to stay in the Mercedes camp and

go with the new AMG GT. They have

reinvented the 928. You realize that the

other company across town instart took

the 928, added back seats. It's like the

new incarnation of a 928 and I want one.

I know it's going to be heavy, but I

know it's going to be fast and it's

going to feel lightweight. It's going to

be freaking awesome and I want to drive

that car. I'm excited really badly. I It

It shouldn't have gotten bigger and it

shouldn't have gotten heavier. It got

both. People are still liking it. The

last version we loved. Yes. Tim Bailey

is asking about Paper Father, my novel

here. You know, in my perfect world, I

get a lot more novels done. We're a

little busy, so it doesn't happen like

you wanted, but but anyway, uh he's

asking if an audio book is still in the

works. Yes, it is. Unfortunately, it has

happened much slower than I wanted

because of voice issues. Honestly, I I

last summer, I lost my voice pretty

dramatically with laryngitis, worse than

I'd ever had. When it came back, I

couldn't do anything but my normal

speaking voice. And I'm really doing the

audio book as best I can, you know,

accents, voices, all this kind of stuff.

And anytime I did that, it just hurt.

So, since then, I've had to be very

careful. I mean like I I wanted to do it

this week. My voice sounds like this. I

couldn't. So that has slowed me down a

bit. I am threearters of the way through

recording the audio book and there's

post-production after it which is

actually for me not going to take that

long. So yes, it's in the works. I hope

you'll want to listen. I hope my

performance is decent enough you enjoy

it and don't go what is this guy doing,

but it is taking a while just because of

voice honestly. Boondoc St. Ryan asking

about Hooked on Driving. Do we only work

with track owners for hooked on driving

events or are there other approved or

recognized racing groups that typically

host and manage events? There are and we

do like putting on white label events.

We're going to start hopefully working

with some manufacturers, but we have

worked just recently in April with

McLaren San Francisco to put on a day

for McLaren San Francisco customers and

also the Cadillac V club. C. The VC club

does a lot of stuff around the nation,

but we've worked with them uh actually

just recently, early April, I believe.

They've been Northwest since they're

Pacific Northwest. They've been to the

Southeast. So, there's a lot of

different groups or or chapters of the

Cadillac V Club. And Hooked on Driving

in the Past has done a lot of

collaborations with those kinds of

events. uh not necessarily competitors,

but other groups, clubs, BMW, Audi,

Porsche Club of America, the Corvette

clubs, a lot of these groups, and

they're looking for special days, and so

we're absolutely able to take that on.

But to flip that question around the

other way, we don't have anyone else

host events in HOD's name. It is

correct. We have franchises throughout

the nation and they are actually those

franchises thankfully are great boots on

the ground doing events all over the

nation for us but we aren't having the

HOD banners being run by someone else

though we do the reverse. Chris is

asking about the BMW Beaver Teeth. Are

they as bad now as it was when it was

introduced or is it growing on everyone?

Everyone is it growing on you? The only

reason like a fungus. The only reason it

grew on me is because of that sweet

schnitzer wagon. It's technically the

ACS3 wagon sport

wagon. The It has the Euro plate on it.

And I talk about another car I just I

need. Yeah, you have a big water

shelter, Wi-Fi, GT4 and now M3 GT4 AMG

M3, maybe a GR Corolla and uh I'll just

I still am marveling that the Amira is

anywhere in my orbit, but you're off

there with a sixcar garage anyway. I

totally get that. question. Um, NK is

actually asking, he's saying Nate Nate K

is writing in saying he considered

buying a C6 Z Corvette. We actually

recommended an Indie Miata. He still

needs to purchase. Uh, he ended up with

a sweet E30, which good for you. That's

very, very cool. Um, Scott Rose back

saying he has a friend with a Frontier

that says people only buy Toyotas for

the name, the name and the reputation of

reliability. I hate to say it, but we're

big fans of the new Frontier. And I just

read that reliability so far has not

been good. People have bought them in

the past because they have been

bulletproof trucks. That is why many of

the Toyota diehard truck people are

concerned about the the V6 and V8 going

away and replacing them with hybrids

that are are turboed. We'll see what the

reliability is like. See, Mark R asking

about paint protection film factory

installed like the new Mustang Darkhorse

matte clear package. Factory installed.

Yes, I I do appreciate that. But then

there's the buy a car and have a dealer

do it. And that's where you get

overcharged. And so if you're going to

have it done after the fact instead of

factory and check the box, I would say

find your local install shop. They'll

probably charge you less and they'll do

as good or better a job.

Thank you for the super chat from BJJ is

writing in saying he feels like he says

he has a firstg NSX and thinks the Amira

is the modern-day successor. You were

reading our mind cuz that comparison is

coming. So, uh, cuz I actually think it

is the closest one as well. I think, let

me put it another way. The second Gen

NSX is a moonshot in the same way the

first one was a moonshot, but their

targets are different. It's a sweet car.

It looks so pretty. But, but the reality

of the of the second gen NSX is I think

what everybody was expecting was the

modern version of what the first one

was, and that's not where they went.

They chased like the 918 Porsche. So, we

are going to put them together and have

a conversation. We can't wait to do

that. Thank you for the super chat.

Let's talk t-shirts. Martin C asking

about Todd your 86 shirt. Is that a blip

shift shirt? Yes, that is a blip shift

shirt and it does need to make a return.

That's one of the better ones. I missed

out on that one. So, I need to get one.

I really It's one of my all-time

favorites. We need one in gray or like a

heather like fat blue or something with

the uh that's what they always do. They

different color. But also, this shirt

right here is the shirt that every

pilgrimage attendee will get. So, thank

you Mandy. Mandy Combmes has introduced

this along with our uh graphics person

Nate. He is also the cycle report and he

does a lot of great stuff for us. He

designed the everyday driver logo. So he

worked with Mandy to do this shirt and

this is the shirt that everybody will

get for this year's pilgrimage trip.

Pretty awesome. So it's got both tracks,

red and blue and then down here it's

like the world tour with all the names.

Yeah, it's pretty fun. Yeah, it's all

the corner corner names. It's I'm really

excited about the shirt which is pretty

cool. So yeah, I I'm really stoked about

this shirt. So this is just for

pilgrimage attendees. We actually are

still going back to the ring and spa

with Hooked on Driving October 13th

through the 17th. There's still two days

left. Yeah, it's gonna be two days on

Spa, one day on the ring. That is

through Hooked on Driving. You can go to

hooked ondriving.com to find

registration there. This is for the

Everyday Driver shirt, but it's kind of

become a thing now. It's it's each

year's, you know, the annual shirt. It's

very cool and some other swag, too.

Hayden Norris is saying he's watched our

Chuck Wagon video on the F56 Mini

Cooper. John Cooper works. Have we

driven the S trim? Which one do we

recommend for a fun daily driver?

either. I mean, can you go for the upper

trim? The S trim you're not gonna be

disappointed by. The uh John Cooper

works is just a little bit more

hardcore, but it's not a drastic change.

So, I think if you had the S, you'd

enjoy it. I think you need to try to

test drive both because I don't know

what your roads in your area are like.

You may decide you want one versus the

other. Uh what's your driving style

like? We really like the JCW, but back

when I had my first gen Mini, the F53,

that was a supercharged, which I loved,

the supercharged, that was a

supercharged S. There was no John Cooper

works at that point. So, I really love

that car. I would totally go with the S.

Three-point turn asking about design and

driving dynamics. If they're identical,

wouldn't it be the smarter move to buy

the model that the company builds for

better dealership service, especially

with technicians who are more familiar?

Certainly, that's the a good line of

thinking, and you're not wrong there.

It's getting those technicians and the

dealer service up to speed quickly. It's

there there are third-party companies

dedicated solely to dealership groups

and anybody selling or retailing the car

to get them familiarized with it either

in driving or mechanics or engineering

or whatever that is and getting people

up to speed quickly. And that's a lot of

dealer group employees to move through a

program. We see that at various tracks

uh various events nationwide. So yes,

theoretically speaking, you know, we're

finding a lot of Amiras are getting out

there. They're they're actually starting

to really be released. We had two in the

driveway this this week, which is crazy.

But yeah, those technicians th those

dealers have to be up to speed very

quickly. I mean, we're learning. We're

finding out how to jack up the car

properly. And the chassis is so

incredibly stiff, you can use the rear

jack point under the engine, and it

lifts the entire side of the car off the

ground. So things like that, you know,

just have to get everybody uh up to

speed. But it does happen and you're

right, that is interesting. But, you

know, there's always going to be the

naysayers. Ray Lee is actually asking me

about the gearing in the Amira. He says,

"Everybody seems to universally complain

that the current Porsche GT cars have

got their their manual transmissions are

too high. The gearing is too high. You

can get up to like 80 or 90 in second."

He's asking how the Amir is. Now, two

thoughts here. First off, I'm not

through breakin yet, so I'm being

cautious though. Lotus' break-in is very

interesting. Actually, in the manual,

they talk about first thousand miles for

engine breakin, but they do not say do

not exceed an RPM. They say, you know,

4,000 is kind of the target, but the the

red red line is almost 7,000, like

6,800. And they acknowledge they want

you to explore the top half

occasionally. Don't just like lock it

off anywhere or, you know, anything

above 4,0001 is terrible. The

interesting the manual is very

interesting. But to your question, so

I'm not revving it out a lot yet, but I

find myself in normal driving in third a

lot. Do you? Yeah, because third is like

mid mid to lower half of the rev band

just doing normal things. Obviously

freeway is different. I think it is

shorter gearing than than a the Porsche.

I'd be curious to actually think about

that back to back. When we had the GTS

40, I didn't actually think about that

point. When we had it with the Amir on

our original Comparero, I didn't think

about that point at the time, but I'll I

will say I'll answer the question to say

this. So far, the Amira feels like it's

properly spaced and not too long.

Kecho, thanks for writing. Thanks for

the question. Uh Kcho is in a conundrum

who currently owns a VN. Believe that's

Velocies and tracks, but he wants a GR

Supra next year. Is it worth it to just

modify the Veloster N more for track

purpose or save and buy the Supra? It

depends on what you want to get out of

your track driving because of course the

Veloster N is excellent. It's designed

for track use, but it's frontwheel

drive. Whereas the GR Supra is also

designed for track use. Different kind

of driving experience. You can get

manual with either, but the dynamics on

both are so very different. And if

you're wanting something next, rather

than pouring all your money to the

Veloster N to say, I want to squeeze

faster times out of it. Would the

different car just inherently give you a

different platform to enjoy more? Maybe

it is faster. Certainly different

engine. You're going to have to decide

what are you going after for your track

driving and that will dictate kind of

where you're going with your car

purchase. But as far as mods, we always

recommend the driver upgrade first.

always. And then we recommend tires.

Brakes go along with the tires of

course. And do not forget to change your

brake fluid. That is very crucial for

track use. But those three things, you

upgrade the tires alone, you could

probably find another four years with

your current car trying to find the new

edges of that car. Interesting.

Possibly. That's

good. Derek Miller, my 13-year-old

nephew is starting a car wash business.

Any pointers for him? Oh. Uh, be

careful. Use Grio's products. Don't

scratch anything. That's the That's the

the high points right there. Um, let's

see. Oh, are we getting in the Ioni 5 in

soon, Gweer 64? It is on our short list.

We we were just talking about schedule

yesterday, Paul and Chance and I,

because we have a really stacked next 6

months worth of filming. It's amazing

how much we're going to film in the next

six months. It's been quiet first

quarter, but now it gets crazy. We're

very excited. The Onyx 5 in is on our

list. I think it's one of the ones we're

going to have to go to LA for. I think

so, too. And and I'm willing to I'd

really like to drive that car. Uh Steve

M, I'm finding your question down here.

Similar to the Ionic 5N, will we do a

comparison of that and the Tesla Model 3

Performance? Todd and I are seeing a lot

of new introductions, especially

EVs being introduced on track as track

specific cars. As if to say, why would

you buy this car if you're not going to

also track it? Which is very

interesting. And I want to put this

thought out to all of you. And it is a

thought that came up on our recent

Hooked on Driving trip with one of the

attendees. And he he posed this thought.

So it's not mine. It's not Todd's, but

he posed this thought. We're seeing the

Ionic 5N come out during the same time

the the week before, of course, the TYON

Turbo GT with the Vice package was

introduced in Spain on a track. We're

seeing the the question was what if all

the performance cars become EVs and all

the regular cars are just the gas

powered cars driving around in the

freeways and those are the the pickup

trucks, the SUVs, the haulers, all that

kind of stuff. And it kind of stopped me

in my tracks because we're seeing it

more, but I can't definitively say one

way or the other. But I just I find it

interesting that car manufacturers are

introducing EVs as track performance and

trackw worthy cars. Yeah. So to do the

Ionic 5 improperly, the question is,

especially with the Tesla Model 3

Performance, which is designed for

track, do we put them on track? Because

track pieces don't get watched. Yeah. In

general, comparatively, but these are

cars designed for it and marketed at

their launch to be on track. So, do we

drive them on track? Is it a half and

half for a comparison like that? Do we,

you know, halftrack use, half street

use? I mean, of course, you don't have

to track it, but I just I find it

fascinating that manufacturers are

pointing their new launches in that

direction. I I don't have a definitive

answer. John is saying, "Is there a car

that feels like the Mini Cooper S to

drive, but doesn't make people say,

"What a cute car." He said he loved his,

but he just after a while couldn't take

the design or those comments. That's

really interesting. You know what?

Elantre

in no one will ever say that's a cute

car and it is a fantastic front-wheel

drive to drive. So I think and even with

the refresh now the refresh is so much

better but it's still not a cute

car. Eric P, are there wide seat mods?

Eric is wider on the hips and gluten and

if he sits in the car with a heavy

heavily bolstered seat sitting on the

bolsters is happening in the Supra and

was very uncomfortable. You know I don't

know of too many wide seat mods in

particular, but I know good upholsterers

can take care of you very very much so.

That'd be more of an individual fitment,

but think of it like a Formula 1

fitment. you know, they pour the foam

around the guy and you know, you're

you're molded seat. I'm sure a great

upholsterer could do the same. Also, do

agree that the Fiesta ST is an option of

one that would not be a cute car. I see

that answer here. That's good as well.

Trogdor 147 says he's hearing people say

that the steering feel on the first gen

GT86 is better than the second gen GR86.

Others say the opposite. What do we

think? I'm very sorry, guys. Very sorry.

Um, I think the GR86 is a fundamentally

better car across the board than the

first gen, and I owned both. Okay, I

think it's a better car. You could

potentially argue that the steering feel

of the first is slightly better than the

second, but the entire car has been

improved, I would say, in every in every

category you can think of, probably

about 5%. So, if the steering got 3%

less, but the whole rest of the car got

better, I think the GR86 is a better car

fundamentally across the board. the

first gen. What's interesting about

those is they're becoming like a Miata

in that you can get a great car for not

much money on the first gen.

Super 65 asking about the future. Will

people put the cheap stick on fake

intake vents on EVs regardless of the

fact that the car does not need intakes?

That's fun. I like that. That's an

interesting question. What cheap crappy

mod can we sell? What can we all come up

with that we can sell that people will

buy to stick on their car? Like fake

port holes or fake vents or you know you

outline the door trim in in chrome.

Well, thanks to Jeep Wagon Air, you can

get that from the factory now. So, good

news everyone. Let's invent something. I

don't know what that would be. Canards.

Maybe canards for the front of your EV.

For five minutes there was a Park City

based company selling those eyelashes.

So, you just got to hit that. I still

see those. Perfect. There was a park

city based company. I know every now and

then you just hit that ridiculous thing

that for whatever reason everyone must

own for five minutes and then it goes

away.

Justin, my fellow Lotus lease owner is

asking about the Amira. He said that I

see my Amir co-star with a silver Amir

in the Greg's race part reel on

Instagram. I did not see this. Now I

want to look it up because I was

actually on their site recently. They uh

they did an at toward me when the when

the piece launched and I actually want

to follow up with them. So I'm going to

have to look into that. I appreciate you

bringing it up. Thank you. MC now asks,

"If we had to do it again, would we buy

Hooked on Driving again?" Oh, good

question. Or are we both on the

honeymoon? I would say yes. It's really

been quite an education because this is

a people business. It just happens to

involve cars and tracks, but it's a

people business. And learning from where

where we're at now, I would ask

different questions and I I would know

more about what to ask, but the answer

is absolutely yes. I I think that's an

excellent answer. I think there's no

question that we would have. There's a

few things. Here's here's what I'll say.

There's a couple of things that we are

addressing now that I would have put at

the front of the list. Agreed. That was

the thing for me is that now we're we're

three or four months in. I'm realizing,

oh, we're getting to this and we can

solve it. We really should have had this

on the and we didn't know. Should have

had this on the radar right out front.

Okay, that's fine. It's like any

airline. It just it's a people business.

You're just using airplanes to manage

people. That's all you're doing. So,

it's the same kind of head space, which

I would have taken that a little bit

differently, but yes, absolutely.

Fake Arrow wheel covers are already

selling for EVs. You're right, they are.

Well, yeah, it's it's a ridiculous

thing, of course, cuz you know, here

here's the thing. We we went through an

era where wheel covers were the thing

like the back wall of your local auto

parts store was all wheel covers and

they went out of fashion and now they're

back because EVs include them for

supposed aerodynamic benefits and now we

have wheel covers again. It's going to

be all about that bizarre. What I find

fascinating though is typically when you

pull a now Prius as an example, Cyber

Beast is an example. When you pull a

wheel cover off, most of the time the

wheel underneath there is halfway

decent. Exactly. I had Look, I in the

sea of Caprice classics that my dad

owned that I inherited. Okay. You pull

the wheel covers off, it was just a

steely under there. It was ugly. Now you

pull the wheel cover off, it's like a

wheel. It's kind of cool looking. That's

so funny. Yeah, the Cybertruck wheels

are actually pretty decent looking.

They're fine.

Eli Miller with a super chat says he's

got seven he he's this is his challenge

17,000 to spend and okay do it all daily

can't be a car either of us have owned

before available in manual or auto

owned makes it easier owned makes it

easier because something we haven't

owned like uh do it all daily they take

stuff out of the equation how much are

velocs that's a Good one. You might be

able to pull off a 17 grand. You go back

that you could probably pull that off. I

see that. That's good.

Uh Corolla, the lukewarm Corollas, the

XS. Yeah, sure. Sure. I see that. Yeah,

those are those are easy. 17. And

they're and they're manual and auto.

That's a good one as well. Both of those

are excellent. Yeah. Yeah, you could.

Absolutely. Yeah. This is actually

intriguing, Eli, because it's something

that we do intend to uh to work on is a

is one of these do it all daily comparos

that is coming. So, uh that's a good

question. I really appreciate that.

See, Boonddock St. Ryan, we can

crowdfund the dumbest crap we don't

need. How can we crowdfund the car we

all want? Pull your audience, partner

with our channels and sites, have a

factory 5 Paul build and design. This is

cool. This is funny. I mean, look, this

this is something we try to be really

careful about because we have on a few

occasions gone to you guys and asked you

to directly support what we do beyond

just Patreon. And thank you to our

patrons. Sure. For sure. You know, when

we did our first uh cheap car challenge,

we actually kind of preloaded that.

People donated and we used the proceeds

to buy those cars and then that became

the group we raffled to. Uh you guys

came alongside us and we had all our

gear stolen. That was very cool. We we

really try very hard to not come to you

just hat in hand to do content. We kind

of do content frankly, I would say the

old filmmaking way and not the YouTube

way. The YouTube way is I'm making

content that doesn't cost me anything

that's already paid for by a sponsor so

every dollar goes to profit. That is the

listen along kids. The smarter way to do

YouTube. That's not what we do. We do it

much more like independent film where we

will film something that we know on the

front of our road trips are the best

example. We want to do it. We're excited

about it and we believe people will find

it and love it. When we get done making

one of our road trips, we are in the red

on that piece and they make money over

time. All of these feature films were

done that way. Every single one of them,

50 years of 911 was terrifying because

we went way into the red for where our

channel was at the time. So that is, if

you will, our crowdfunding. We take the

risk hoping you guys will show up and we

hope you keep showing up because we love

doing it. Over on Instagram, Isaac

Reinger is asking about Kate. When is

she getting twin Jeeps? Funny. And what

pair of cars will your son be getting?

Because I saw I forget whose comment it

was on Discord. It was awesome. Coming

up with a bumper sticker for this guy.

My other Cayenne is a Cayenne. That's

very good. There was a joke on Discord.

All of our patrons are on Discord. So,

thank you guys. There was a joke on

Discord when there was a lot of debate

about what my next car was going to be.

That I was going to pull off a third

Cayenne. So, I had one of every

generation. What a great idea. Missed

opportunity, right? I could own the

entire There's still time. Here's the

irony. I am I The door is not closed. I

feel certain I am the only journalist

who owns more than one Cayenne

consecutively. And when they launched

the latest Cayenne, we were not invited

to the launch. We are still laughing

about that. The irony there is whatever.

Anyway, yeah, we'd rather have the

Cayenne for a week to do what we want

with it rather than, you know, being

guided through. But, you know, whatever.

It's all good, right?

What else you got? How much of a rattle

trap was Kyle's Cyberbeast? This is

Gweeper 64. This is Okay. Kyle Connor

runs the out ofspec uh EV focused uh

YouTube channel. Very successful over

there. We're friendly with them. Uh

Jordan Schiffer, who shoots with him and

works with him, also shoots and works

with us. So, that's really cool. Jordan

was coming back from the Grand World

Tour with that Cyber Beast. He took it

out to LA. Matt Farah drove it for his

review. Motor Trend had it for a week on

their review. Jason Finsky did the 911

towing with it. Redid the the drag race.

So all lots of stuff happened. It is uh

12,000 miles on it. We have that review

coming out on the test drive channel

right here on Sunday. Our Cyber Beast

review. We look forward to talking with

you about it. The interesting thing is

12,000 mi has to be the highest mileage

Cyber Truck out there. It has to be.

They keep they keep driving it and you

know what? It was fine. It was fine.

Everything worked fine. It was not a

rattle trap. was just all fine. The

tires were pretty worn down, so that's

going to be kind of an expensive charge,

but you know what? Thanks to Kyle for

letting us drive it and Jordan for

bringing it by. We had a great time with

it. It was very interesting. But as soon

as we started driving it, we saw another

one and then another one and then it was

sort of like you're not new unique. Just

it was the weirdest thing. But we did

have fun driving it. I'm very curious

that you'll hear all of our thoughts on

Sunday. We were there's a lot of debate.

It's actually kind of a longer test

drive. We we enjoyed shooting it and

that was actually the here's here's the

ridiculousness. The reason that that

Cybert truck is in my Amira reveal is

because the day we picked up the Amir is

the only day we had with the Cybertruck.

So I drove the Amira home and parked it

and spent the rest of the day with the

Cybertruck. Was very odd, but it was I

was glad we could do it.

Launch control hurts. Oh yeah, it just

hurts. Launch mode, you're right. It

just your your brain swims. Your eyes

just blur. It's really ridiculous. But

you know, this is what we as humans,

this is what we want, right? The quicker

0 to 60 time must mean it's better

somehow. Kiki says, "I'm looking to move

on from a 2 L Julia, eyeing to get a V8

GT cars the next daily." Lovey, love it.

Debating a C7 Corvette or the RCF or

should Kiki hold out for the LC, the

Lexus LC500. $55,000 is the top budget.

Will not do a Mustang. My guess is you

probably there therefore will also not

do a Camaro because of the the vibe that

that sets. Couple of things here. The

RCF is not special enough. The best

thing about the RCF is the engine. And I

would submit to you if you want the V8

in something that is not the LC500, get

the

IS-500 because the IS-500 with that V8

is actually a very interesting car and

it's a good usable four-door. That would

be the way to get a a V8. If you want to

stay Lexus below the LC500, you want the

LC500. $55,000 is the bottom of that

market right now actually. So maybe hold

out for the LC500, but I think you would

be very very happy in a properly speced

C7 Corvette. It would have the fun

factor that the RCF does not, but is

still a surprisingly nice place to be.

Let's see.

Uh three-point turn for me. Question for

me. If I ever met the perfect lady and

her ultimatum is that I must own

automatics moving forward because she

can't drive manual transmission and

doesn't want to learn. Is she

automatically out? No, not necessarily.

How perfect a lady is this anyway. Yeah,

if she's the perfect lady, then you know

what? PDK PDK. You're right. That's

true. You can stay with PDK and be quite

happy. Dual clutches. There's a lot of

good dual clutches. You know what that

means? We just get get to move into the

McLarens.

They're all dual clutches, right? We

could move up into, you know, it doesn't

just have to be manual, but uh so no, if

if she were the perfect gal, then uh

then no.

Uh D uh let's see, Dak 981 says, "Wishes

Patreon had a one-time donation access

for a year." I'll look into it. I I I'm

not sure if that exists. It might. We

can certainly look and see if that's a

thing. Let's see. paint jobs on

Cybertruck trucks? Not necessarily

because it's the stainless. So, all the

cool kids are doing wraps apparently.

And on the configurator, you can change

the color. It's actually a slider. So,

you've got all 256 more than that. All

the colors to change your Cybertruck on

screen to match whatever the wrap is

that you're going to get. So, it's, you

know, it was anticipated because, yeah,

you you don't want to paint the

stainless. Well, but I also think it's

it's a bit of a copout. You want to use

Barkeeper's Friend in Windex,

apparently. Yes. I think it's a bit of a

copout that you can't paint them, but we

will give you the UI to imagine it was

in a color, which I think is kind of

ridiculous, but we'll see what happens

on there. Oh, Mandy is uh just texting

us. Annual subscriptions are possible on

Patreon because Andrew Color Cartel does

it. So, that's fantastic news. Okay.

Well, there she knows more about it than

I do, which is actually not really much

of a surprise. Yeah, exactly. I was

going to say

Keono says, "Todd and Paul, are you guys

going to do a road trip and come out to

the southeast coast and do a meetup HOD

event uh at road like at Road Atlanta?"

We would love to. It is on our list. One

of the nicest things about this Hooked

on Driving acquisition is we can go to

more places in the nation and have

events. So, it's something that's

definitely on our mind. Uh we are

looking at a few cool tracks for next

year and it gives us I don't mean this

to sound weird but gives us an excuse to

come that doesn't have to be based on do

we have a brand new car to drive. So

we're very excited. Hopefully we want we

want to come southeast. We also want to

do Tail of the Dragon because we've

never done that. It seems like an

obvious place for a road trip. But our

road trip this year is going to our road

trip film coming up in July. We're

shooting it. It'll probably come out in

around September. That is ending at a

Hooked on Driving event. That's the

other thing that's very exciting is we

can do one of these road trips that is

this destination. We show you the cool

roads. We show you the history. All that

kind of stuff and have as our terminus a

hooked on driving track day and a cool

track. So that opens up all kinds of

great road trips. On Facebook, Eddie

Murphy is asking gem or grenade. Eddie

just bought a oneowner 220,000 mile year

2000 BMW 528 manual with all paperwork

from purchasing to current day. Whoa. No

issues yet. Did he find a gem or a

future grenade? I think you found a gem

because a lot of the really great the

older BMWs that I've seen, I'll look at

the odometer and they have, you know,

well over 150,000 miles, some over

250,000 miles. So, with this one, it's

just been driven and taken care of. So,

I say you found a gem, it will always

need stuff. But at that mileage and that

age, most of it's probably already been

done once or twice. So I I Fantastic

buy. I mean, you're taking a risk. I

bought a Maserani with a credit card.

Yeah, you did. At Las Vegas by the

airport. The shadyiest purchase ever. I

feel like it was. Yeah. In a weird

parking lot from a guy who used a bail

bonds office and it wasn't his office

and I gave him a credit card. There's

stacks and stacks of weirdness on that.

Plus, the thing I think also is great

about that story that we don't ever hit

on properly is the fact that we left the

floor at SEMA, got into a cab, and said,

"Take us to the shady dealer. Take us to

this weird address."

Very sorry, guys, about the coughing,

but I'm doing what I can. I'm sorry. Are

you feeling better? Uh, John Canerfi

says, "What are the most beautiful cars

on sale

today?" I'm biased, but I'm saying Amir.

Amir is pretty. Lexus

LC500. That's going to be a pretty car

in 25 or 50 years. The LC500 is

spectacular. Those are my top two that I

can think of because anytime I see

either one, granted, I own an Amir.

Anytime I see either one of those, I'm

just like, that's just great looking.

It's phenomenal looking. Those are my

top two. There may be others that filter

into my brain. I'll just randomly shout

out a car like I've got cars. I feel

like the AMG GT, but this year's, this

new version is not as pretty as the last

one. The last one was just gorgeous.

Last one was really, really good. I

agree with that. Yeah, the proportions

changed because they added the two seats

and changed the drivetrain a little bit,

but still, it's really good looking.

It's really pretty. Uh Nathan Goss is

telling us that the other day he was

watching a TFL Truck episode with the

Cybertruck and the podcast on screen was

us. I love that. That's really really I

hadn't seen that. That's funny. Those

are good guys. Yeah, I love it. I love

it.

Oh, funny. Uh Dak 981 also says he

recently found someone that makes

stickers to put on the blanks in your

Porsche interior that don't have

anything. Oh, yeah. And they're all

based on Mario Kart, so you can have

turtle shell, banana peel, so you can

act like you're dropping all of those.

That's very funny. I love it. How hot is

it typically on the Utah in Utah in July

for the adventure? Uh, Russell, depends

on the day. I mean, I would say this,

it'll be warm. Uh, it won't be

oppressive, but if your air conditioning

works, I mean, look, I survived it in

the Elise. I was a bit sweaty, but it

wasn't terrible. So, it it look, it's

hot. It's hot. You survived, but it's

not it's not You lost weight. Exactly.

It's not triple digit, you know, sticky.

Uh Utah is actually fairly dry, so it's

a dry heat, so yeah, it won't be too too

terrible. It's a little bit like high

school wrestlers who use the hefty trash

bags and jog around with the trash bag

and the sweatshirt over. You're saying

this is me and the automotive equivalent

of that. You'll lose weight in that car.

Uh looking for questions here. Oh, I

agree. Trogdor, the Miata RF is one of

the most beautiful cars being sold right

now. I totally 100% agree with that.

That is a that that car is another one

25 50 years from now still will be

pretty. Mhm. Cybert truck not on the

list. Is it too much to ask all of our

car manufacturers, all of our designer

friends to start designing pretty cars

rather than severe or very purposeful

cars.

Every car has to have an element of just

beauty about it, does it not? You'd hope

so. We're sitting in traffic. We're

looking at the sea of cars. Why can't we

have beautiful, pretty cars? The ones

that are st stand standing out, they are

so because of proportion, certainly

because of the packaging, because of

what they do and where the engine, the

passengers are fit. But I still say

pretty cars need to happen. Minivans. We

need to bring beautiful lines back.

Remember the minivan? What was it

called? The I forget what it was called.

What was the Chevy minivan that looked

like the Dustbuster? The silhouette. The

automobile silhouette. Pontiac sil

Pontiac. Uh, there was a Pontiac

equivalent, of course, but it just

looked like a dustbuster. I don't know.

It was terrible. Yeah. Jeez.

Uh, oh, asking about the the breakin on

the Amira. I am 500 miles as of today.

I've done that in under two weeks, and

I'm hoping to get most of the way to

engine breakin uh by this weekend. I

actually, it was funny. I talked to a

guy at Cars & Coffee last week. I missed

my estimate. My estimate was that the

first Cars & Coffee I go to, I was going

to be one of four Amiras. I was 50%

wrong. There were two Amiras. But the

other guy came up and talked to me

another one. Yeah, exactly. Came up and

talked to me about it and he was talking

about how close he was to breaking. He

was like 750 or 800 miles. This is where

the conversation got funny. I said, "Oh,

really? How long have you had it?" Oh,

like 8 weeks. I was like, I'm I'm

halfway there in one. But of course, I'm

obsessed, so that's how that works.

Three-point turn says, "We're talking

about car designs all the time. Have

there been any OEM accessories that

stood out throughout these years that

were really good design with function?

Accessories. It uh really comes down to

a lot of off-road accessories.

There aren't too many accessories for

cars, I don't think, short of I guess a

front spoiler or the change to the front

clip like the Porsche design version

instead of the standard one for the for

the

Cayman. Spoilers I suppose wheels, but

most of them I think are on the truck

side. It really has to do with bed

management, all those kinds of

accessories, the rock sliders, the front

and rear bumpers, that kind of thing. I

think off-roaders have a a far better

time with cool accessories that are that

are longlasting. But my friend Jim did

get his Cybert truck and he ordered the

Cyber Tent and he's going to have it

fitted soon and he offered it to us and

I want to fit the Cyber Tent because

then you level the car there's a button

and depending on the uneven ground that

you have parked your Cybertruck it will

level the surface so when you're

sleeping in the back under your Cyber

Tent you can lie flat. It'll be stable

and comfortable. I love that accessories

were made for that car three years

before it came out. People just I'm

sorry.

People actually put their like life

savings on. I've made a tent for a

vehicle that didn't weren't sure was

going to exist. Church of Petrol, thank

you for the super chat. Are there any

opportunities with Hooked on Driving?

Yes, absolutely. He said he would love

to help with some events, maybe even

instruct if deemed worthy to do so. He's

in the southeast right now, but open to

travel. Uh give us an email at Everyday

Driver. And actually, you know what?

better get us an email at the guys at

Hooked on Driving. That's our Hooked on

Driving email address. Of course, we're

obviously both reading that. We can

connect you up with Steve in the

Southeast and Mark and Cody in the

Northeast, depending upon where you are

and and talk to them about it directly.

They can talk to you about possibly

coaching or that kind of thing. I mean,

there are there are opportunities in

those regards. There are opportunities

also in possibly being an additional

franchisee. We're looking for other

franchises. I don't want to go too far

down the road in that discussion, but

there is places where we're expanding

and we would I mean if you're

interested, we'd love to have a

conversation. So, the guys at Hooked on

Driving for that stuff. Let's see.

Uh oh, Club Racer 6. What about the roof

box? Our colleague in Utah known as

Strad rocked that on his Lambo and then

he did the whole wrap thing. I actually

liked that. I've actually considered

doing the same thing with the Corvette,

but I don't know why. I don't know what

that would do, but it would just look

cool. But you're right, the roof box is

pretty cool. The aerodynamic is pretty

cool on a sports car. But we did skis

with our sports cars. That'll come out

in October. That video will come out in

October. So, we did skis and we were

rocking Bredestine Winters, Win Track

Pros. It was actually really more fun

than I ever thought it would be to drive

the Elise in a blizzard. It was so much

fun. Just in the parking lot. I mean,

that car is so light and tells you so

much. Sorry, Elise. Rant much

information. Anyway, all of that

transfers to winter driving, which is

awesome. Uh, Aiden Torres says, "Have we

ever considered a road trip with our

mountain bikes to a place like

Bentonville, the Amir, and see it would

look cool with mountain bike rack?" It's

that whole James Bond thing. What cool

racks we put on? I do like that. I will

say this, our hope is, and I don't know

if it's going to pull off, but we're

trying for it, is to take my first gen

Cayenne, make it into more of an

off-roader, and take that to Moab with

bikes. That's actually on our list this

year. We'll see if we can do that. Which

of the Cayenne are you talking about? I

forgot. Yeah, the first the 2010. Yeah,

thank thanks for that. Thanks for the

flap. I appreciate it. It's excellent.

You're right. There's quite a few. Can't

keep track. Anthony G says, "In what

world of any level of common sense

would it be good to trade 86 for a K

truck as a new daily?" That's very

funny. Is there any way you could do

both? Because the 86 is really good and

I don't want that to leave your life

because it's just so good and it's just

so much fun. But I do love the idea as

the K truck too. I think you'd miss the

86 a lot if you did the K truck because

the K truck would be more novelty and it

would be fun for about 11 minutes. Yeah.

The GR86, you know, GT6 I would say

honestly if you if you are your commute

your like daily commute is narrow and

questionable for its safety around other

cars, then K truck would be a blast

because you wouldn't care and you'll fit

everywhere. So if you find yourself

driving your 86 around going, "Oh, I

just I'm nervous." then I think the Krak

would be more fun. But to Paul's point,

I think the novelty would wear off quick

beyond that. So, we'll see. Dak 981,

speaking of HOD, have we thought about

partnering with existing schools at some

tracks? Dak's local track is Mid Ohio.

Their school offers track days with

instructors. We've thought about it, but

there is an HOD way, and we would prefer

for the coaches to come run the HOD way.

There's slight differences, but one of

them being is the use of the word

instructor and coach. And this is really

hitting home for us because instructor

tells you what to do and you do it and

it is successful and you don't know why.

Whereas a coach wants to pull that

information out of you. It's a little

bit of a sociology experiment more so

than just I told you to turn in there.

Well, why? I don't understand why I'm

doing this. I'm following instructions,

but I want to understand. And so that's

the term, that's what coaching really

means. And so that's what we want to

bring to all of our students, everybody

who attends HOD is to pull that

information out of them to help you move

up through the ranks, to help you become

a better driver, but not just tell you

what to do. It's easy to just be told

what to do. That's what your driving

instructor when you're 16 told you what

to do and was looking for specific

things and you did it, and now you're a

good driver. No, you're not. You just

checked off all the boxes. So we want

coaches, the HOD coaches to be able to

pull that information out of you and

then and then say, "Okay, so next time I

would, you know, let's try that a little

bit earlier, that turn in earlier and

see how that feels and maybe that

resonates and it's pulling the

information and it's always that

interaction between student and coach."

And when I say student, that is not a

derogatory term either. We are always

students and always learning to become

better, faster, more engaged, more

attentive, better drivers. Eli Miller

says he was playing along with the board

game, the 15 item, must beat 15 item

board game. Oh yeah, he said he thinks

that the Elantra Inn ticks more of the

15 items than any other car on sale.

What are our thoughts? To be honest,

Eli, I would have to actually have the

list in front of me. That was one of the

things about it is if you didn't have to

meet all that here's the alternate way

to play the game. You know when you get

the the box, the board game box and it

says here's how you play and sometimes

you're like here's the other way to

play. The other way to play is the way

you're playing UI and that is 15

requirements. What's the most you can

meet with a single car? We didn't play

that way. That's almost a whole other

topic Tuesday. I like it. It's good.

Yeah, it is. Holy moly. Coming up to the

top of the hour already. Really good

stuff here. Going fast. Oh, Trogdor, you

have made my night. You've made my

night. This is on my list. What vehicle

would you choose for a road trip through

the Dalton Highway? The Dalton Highway,

for those you who don't know, it is the

road to the top of Alaska. So you

essentially you you start in Anchorage

and you work your way up to Fairbanks

and then after that it's just Dalton

Highway and somewhere in the middle of

that it turns into just dirt and it's

you and trucks. And I would love because

it's me to do it in a sports car. Would

absolutely love to do it in a sports

car. But if I'm if I'm honest to answer

your question, I would probably take an

86 with a slight lift and some more

all-terrain tires, which is what Chris

did with his. I know. I'd be the

happiest. I can't believe we've

referenced the toeer twice on this

podcast. That's amazing. I think that

would be brilliant on that road, but I'd

do it in a Miata. I would do it in my

Amira. I probably have to pay protect it

again, like an extra layer, like a

secondary layer. Bubble wrap. Seriously,

I just I would love to do that drive.

It's on my personal list. We shall see.

Every time I bring up Alaska, because of

course Paul had family lived there for a

long time. Every time I bring up Alaska,

Paul's like, "Yeah, that just sounds

awful." But anyway, I you know, been to

Alaska. Hasn't been to Alaska. I've been

I have been, but not not as recently as

you have. I know. I understand.

All right, let's

see. Uh, what do we want our brand to be

when podcast 1800 comes out? Maybe

that's cool. 1800. Yeah. Twice as many

as now. Twice as many as now. My son's

going to be running the podcast and you

and I are going to be sitting around

going. In my day, we didn't we had

microphones. You're just It's going to

be like a hologram somewhere. You and I

are going to be I don't know doing

something else. Well, that'd be another

decade. Be another decade. Yeah. So, 10

years from now, all of this is white.

That's where this goes. Yeah. It's

seriously I mean, here's the thing. We

were just talking about it. Uh this time

next year will be 1,000 podcasts. We'll

be 11 years in. It'll be a thousand

podcasts. I don't know what yet. I'm

happy to hear your thoughts. We're going

to do something for a thousand. We're

going to do some sort of meetup and live

audience live stream of podcast 1000. Uh

Mandy already is having ideas. I

guarantee you Mandy is having ideas this

minute, but I but we want to do

something around 1,00 something special.

I agree. Absolutely. Yes, we do. 1,800

though. That 1,800 is a little ways out.

That's Yeah, that's Let's get to a,000

first. Let's do a,000 next year at this

time. and have a cool party and a cool

gathering and yeah like

sorry sorry man stinks.

Um cycle the Dalton. That sounds

terrible. Anyway, moving on. Yeah, I'm

thinking no. You should buy a 1000

horsepower car to celebrate next year.

John, that's funny. I do like that.

That's very funny. And yes, Church of

Petrol, it will absolutely be a live

show with an audience. Thousand

horsepower cart. Thousand horsepower

cars only. The parking lot is full of a

thousand horsepower cars. How many

thousand horsepower? They're all EVs,

right? They're all EVs. Like everybody

just the whole parking lot of EVs and we

call it a day. I just Oh my gosh. This

is the funny thing where I apparently am

not a typical car enthusiast because a

big horsepower number just doesn't

interest me. I want to feel like I'm

using all the car all the time and those

really high horsepower cars. Actually,

side note, this is why I think huge

horsepower cars are desired by so many

people.

Yes, bragging rights, but beyond that, I

think the average driver doesn't want to

use full throttle. They want to use like

a little bit of throttle. And you get a

th00and horsepower car, a little bit of

throttle is full throttle for something

less powerful. And so they get in a car

and they don't use full throttle and

they think, "Well, this is just slow. I

want to wind it out. I want to bury I

want to make an impression in the

firewall and feel like the car is doing

everything it can to feel that rush of

using the car." and then let's change

gears and let's keep going. But I

understand this happened anytime you and

I drove a Hellcat, for example. It's

true also in the Cyber Beast. You go

everywhere by just wiggling your big toe

and you're like, "Pass that person, pass

that person." I haven't floored it the

entire time. And when we do, we have to

do it on camera somewhere near nothing

because it's just a cloud of smoke and a

bullet. So, I think most people drive

with that just little press on the

accelerator and they never really use it

all. So, we have to have a 1000

horsepower. So that feels powerful. I'm

coming to the conclusion that between

250 and 600 horsepower is the sweet spot

for me at least because you say 250 to

600. I'm leaving that open. Wow. It's a

nice window. It's a nice You really

narrowed that down. But yeah, the Arturo

was 671. The M3 Touring, the Schnitzer

tune was 610 or 600, but then 500 400

horsepower cars. Excellent. My Cayman's

still 340. I drove it today and I

thought this is not the highest

horsepower car in the world and it's

just wicked fast and it's excellent and

I love it and you know 250 I mean 228

out of the GR86 but you know just just

enough 250 to 600 I think is the sweet

spot. 250 to 600 needs to be the

subtitle of I'm literally writing it

down. That is the subtitle of this

podcast because that is the widest swath

of here's where I think the sweet spot

is I think I've ever heard in the state

of cars. That is fantastic. Just that

that narrow window 250 to 600

horsepower. Yep. I I really hope you can

find something in that, buddy. I'm

really worried about you. Yeah, for

sure. The BMW 610. And you put it down

and it's just sort of like it's right

out. It's right out. Anyway, Anthony

Gothard says, "What are our favorite

sandwiches? How different are our two

preferences?" I will say this, Anthony,

just as a general rule, I'm going to get

something barbecue. It's just And if

it's not doesn't come as if it's not

actual barbecue, I'd like barbecue sauce

on it. And Paul in general's like, "You

know what? I had barbecue already this

year. I'm good." Yeah, barbecue is great

every six months or 12 months or 18

months. It's great. It's delicious. I I

do like it.

Uh hey, uh Dak981, thanks for the hours

and hours of kid-friendly car listening.

This This is important to us. Thank you

for that huge huge super chat. It's very

nice of you. This is important to us. I

look I listen to to Smoking Tire. I

listen to lots of other podcasts on on

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