{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"A Chat with Max Patten","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/a-chat-with-max-patten","audioUrl":"https://pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/1385/injector.simplecastaudio.com/ceb1e8cf-4fbd-47cf-8311-d19305db8014/episodes/7f8bd4f1-de4e-4dff-86a2-40fee3f90328/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=ceb1e8cf-4fbd-47cf-8311-d19305db8014&awEpisodeId=7f8bd4f1-de4e-4dff-86a2-40fee3f90328&feed=MowndT5i","description":"In this episode of Kilowatt, we sit down with Max Patten from EVs for All America to chat about the political dynamics surrounding electric vehicle adoption in the United States. Max tells us the history of this politicization, examining how early marketing strategies inadvertently created consumer divides that persist today. Max provides unique insights into the shifting perceptions among Republican politicians, particularly as the economic benefits of local EV manufacturing plants begin to hit home. We also discuss recent polling data that suggests growing acceptance across political lines, even as infrastructure challenges remain a key hurdle. Finally, Max emphasizes the critical role of consumer education and facilitated dialogue in driving broader EV ownership and national progress.\nSupport the Show https://www.supportkilowatt.com/\nOther Podcasts:\n\n \tBeyond the Post YouTube\n \tBeyond the Post Podcast\n \tShuffle Playlist\n \t918Digital Website\n\nNews Links:\n\n \tEVs for All America\n \tDirectly Current News\n\n*Show Art Created By Gemini Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising."},"annotations":[{"startTime":32.5,"endTime":181.1,"type":"company","title":"EVs for all America","quote":"My name is Bode and I am your host and today [32.5s] I am joined by Max Patton. Max is with a bipartisan organization called EVs for all America. 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That’s why they’re saying the grid is a big limiting factor."}},{"startTime":1832.9,"endTime":1844.0,"type":"concept","title":"multifamily bind","url":"/glossary/multifamily-bind","quote":"...including urban parts of California where you think lots of people will be ready to adopt TVs, but they can't yet because of this multifamily bind.","canonicalId":"concept:multifamily-bind","priority":0.45,"confidence":0.7,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Multifamily bind” refers to the practical difficulty of adding EV charging in apartment and other shared-housing settings. Challenges include shared electrical infrastructure, permitting, and coordinating costs among property owners, managers, and residents. The hosts frame it as a reason EV adoption can lag even when demand exists.","simplifiedExplanation":"“Multifamily bind” means it’s harder to add EV charging in apartment buildings than in single-family homes. 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