A Street Rod Adventure: Ben Danford and His Vintage 1934 Buick
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A Street Rod Adventure: Ben Danford and His Vintage 1934 Buick
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Welcome to another In Wheel Time podcast, a 30 minute mini version of the In Wheel Time car show that airs live every Saturday morning 8 to 11am, central Live from the 48th annual state run of the Lone Star Street Rod Association at Hewlett Park in Grandbury, texas.
It's the In Wheel Time car talk show Coming up.
We talk to more hot lotters here at today's event.
Later a look at the stories making automotive news headlines, including a little feature from Conrad.
I believe we're going to do the car clinic in this hour.
It's all coming up Howdy, along with Mike Mars, king, conrad DeLong We always need more Jeff Zekin, i'm Don Armstrong and let's not forget our chief engineer, who's with us today here in Grandbury, the fabulous, famous David Ainsley.
So thank you, david, for being here and for fixing the camera that almost blew away.
So there's that, okay, mr Mars, we have a guest.
Yes, sir, we do.
This is Mr Ben Danford with his 1934 Buick Series 61.
Now this thing looks to me, looks like it's got a lot of original, but it's not.
Well, it's a hot rod.
He's lost his uh Mike's sock.
I had an extra one out here, but I don't know where it went.
Do you have it?
Here you go.
Pass that along, please.
There you go The music.
Thank you so much.
It's okay.
Well, we've had a little.
I know it's okay.
We got this.
We're on a remote facility here, you know, Have you been eating any of that popcorn?
Not yet.
Okay, Well, we're going to try that.
There you go.
All right, you want to try that intro again, mr Mars.
Ben Danford with his 1935 Buick Series 61.
Beautiful.
Well, i'm waiting for somebody with, you know, the gangster Fedora.
I mean, sir, that is absolutely a stunningly beautiful gangster car.
The only thing that tips it off that it's a hot rod are the wheels.
Yeah, i love it, and I also truly appreciate the chrome on it.
Not an alien nest.
It's all original, except for the running gear, the motor, the transmission, and so let's go with that.
The body is totally original.
Wow, Well, it's not the original paint job.
I can tell you that.
No, no no, it's not.
So what has?
it got under the hood.
It's got a 327 Chevrolet.
I came out of a vet.
Oh, wow.
A 427 in it.
Yeah, baby, that's what I'm talking about.
Is it carbureted?
Yes, carbureted 427.
Old school, old school, love that, yeah.
Me too, Me too.
So when did you get into hot rodding?
Oh, it's right after I graduated high school.
I was going to fill that in for you, yeah.
And I've been with the Long Star Run Association since 1994.
Yeah, 1994.
Nice, So you've been there for a while Now.
Where do you live?
I live in Waco, texas.
Okay, you're not that far away.
You know I'm right up the street.
Well, that's good.
Yeah, did you drive it up here?
Yes, with the trailer.
With the trailer.
I love the trailer.
Hitch on it as well, and the wheels that match.
Yeah, those kind of cars don't have much trunk room back in those days.
It's got a bustle-back trunk.
Yes, yeah, you can put a couple of shirts in it.
They have pants in there.
That's about it.
Yeah, no doubt.
Now I've driven that car all the way to Louisville, Kentucky, and back about three times.
Really?
Yeah, i bet you, it attracts a lot of attention on the highway, oh yes, And with the long wheelbase it rides real smooth too, Yeah, rides like a cab.
And it's got a huge back seat, if I remember correctly.
Oh, yes, Oh yeah.
Yeah, is it like more along the lines of like a living room sofa back there in the back?
I'm afraid so.
Don't be afraid of it, and I like to put you to sleep.
The rear suicide door too.
I like that, yes, and it's got a beautiful leather interior, oh yeah.
Now did you buy the car like this, or did you do this yourself?
No, i've redone it.
When I bought the car it was running Now I've redone everything except the upholstery.
I repainted it.
I redone the motor, the transmission and the rear end.
Well listen, i'll be the first to admit I am not an upholstery man.
Me neither, and I know some people that do upholstery, and they are truly talented and gifted in a way, I am not But the rest of it when you say you painted it, you did it yourself, you had it done.
No, I had it done.
I'm not a painter When you pulled in.
The first time you pulled in, everybody stopped to look at the car.
You're actually next to the.
You're in the hotel next to us, right, you parked it a lot, like it cost three lanes or three yeah, I saw that this morning.
Yes.
Because you ain't getting that in the parking spot.
No, now you you, you, can.
It takes up about three spaces with the two without the trailer.
You did a good job with it.
I saw that.
Thank you.
What is that about?
40 feet long.
I know I've never measured it, but it's pretty long.
Yeah, i bet it rides like a dream.
Yes, fantastic Yeah.
A lot of old cars back in the 30s and the 20s short wheelbase.
They rode kind of choppy like right.
But if you get those, the ones that are longer, it rides smoother.
Now is this thing?
got the original chassis underneath it.
Yes, brake and stuff.
Original frame, except I took the front end from all the all the way across and had a modern day front end built and put under them.
Oh wow.
Yeah, because yeah, i tried to.
I tried to install a ride with the original front end, but it just wouldn't work.
I replaced all the parts on the original front end, but it still didn't ride.
good for me.
I'm used to a certain kind of a ride, Sure, But and that's.
that's a heck of a ride.
Yes, It's breathtakingly beautiful.
It rides, and it's cool because it's a Buick.
Yes, as opposed to everybody, does the old Ford and Chevrolet.
That's another thing In this part of the country.
that's how you're going to find in old cars and Fords and Chevrolet.
But when you go up north and Louisiana I mean Illinois and up around there you find the bigger cars.
I don't know if it was because of the people or what, but they had bigger cars up there than they had in the South.
So how did you find this car?
I looked it up in the auto trader and call a guy and then I drove, took a plane fare up there and looked at it and drove it and I liked it and he was ready to get rid of it, so he had a, bought it and trailed it back or drove it back.
No, they shipped it back.
They shipped it to me in a van and stuff.
That's cool, that's cool.
Did you grow up in Waco?
I grew wait a minute.
I was born in Los Angeles but I was raised in Waco.
I guess we moved back in when I was about three or four years old.
What did you do once you got out of high school for a?
living.
I went to work for HUD, Federal Housing and Urban Development.
Yeah, as an architect And I graduated Preview as an architect and I went to work for them and enjoyed it, So you designed public housing.
Yes, nice, i did a lot of inspections.
I had a five state territory Texas, oklahoma, new Mexico, louisiana.
Oh, wow, Wow.
So you were busy back in the day.
I assume you're retired now?
Yes, I am.
I've been retired for about 20 years.
And there is your project.
Yes, i like old cars.
I've always liked old cars.
I think you're in the right spot here.
Yeah, no doubt.
And Mike says that you are also a street rider of the year.
Yeah, this year here.
Congratulations.
Thank you Back in.
December, the association selected him as street rider of the year for all his participation, his vehicle, his support of the sport of street riding.
I enjoy it.
I've enjoyed street riding.
You meet a lot of nice people.
Yes very much so, and it's everywhere.
So do you go on these by yourself?
You bring family or friends with you.
No, I got my wife with me and my grandson and my son.
Oh, how cool is that They're all with me today And my wife won't let me go by myself.
Oh well, she doesn't trust you, or what She don't trust me?
He might come home with another car, that's it A couple.
Do you ever show that in like the Dallas Auto Ram or anything?
I used to, not that one, but ones I had before then.
Oh, you've had more.
Oh, yeah, i've had about three or four different cars.
Is this your favorite?
Yes, and I got a 60-fold Impella Super Sword, just like that one there.
It's red on that side and white on that side.
Oh cool, wow, nice.
And that shape, oh yeah, restored It's good shape.
I drive it anywhere too, I bet you.
That attracts a lot of attention.
Yeah, so when you're selling that one, i can't sell either one of them, because I promised it to my wife and grandson.
And I promised the ribbon to my grandson.
Good for you?
How old is your grandson?
He's 11.
11.
Oh, the time is ripe.
Great to see him get involved in the sport too.
Oh, yes, got the itch Is he interested A little bit.
He's mostly interested in horses.
In fact he's been invited to the Nationals in Las Vegas this year to participate in his age group for Really.
It's like a rodeo.
Oh yes, It's a rodeo.
Right, oh, good for him.
That's awesome.
That's awesome And, I assume, quite an achievement.
Something to be real proud of He went last year and he's going back again this year.
Is he in Waco with you?
guys.
No, he lives in a town called Montgomery, which is south of Waco.
Okay, it's down there by Huntsville.
Yep, yeah, i know where he lives.
Yeah, yeah, it's down there.
It's just west of the Woodlands, right He?
just came up.
It's his second or third time coming up here to go to a car show with me And he likes the cars.
So what do you haul in the trailer?
What's in the trailer?
It's a.
It's one of these handicapped scooters, about as long as the trailer.
That folds down.
But it folds in the trailer And I ride it around on the car shows and stroking me.
Oh, very cool.
So I can't walk around Sure, so I had to get one of those scooters right.
Very nice.
It's a great looking combination Yeah.
I built that trailer myself.
Oh wow, Seriously Mm-hmm.
I searched around for a trailer.
It's got some of the same curves as the car Right, so you did a real nice job of it.
And I bought some fenders that kind of look like fenders that are on there, yeah, exactly, and put them on the trailer.
Good eye, good eye.
Is that an aftermarket fender?
Yes, i think it came off of a 40, 41 Ford pickup.
You'd be hard pressed not to say that that is not the same fender as that fender on that car.
Yeah, it looks real good.
Well, let's back up fellas.
He was an architect.
Well, he was that.
That's what he's exactly.
He sees style Yeah.
Well, i mean, he's also the concrete, the lumberman, he's all of those things, and sometimes that transfers, but sometimes it doesn't.
Yeah, but not a post tree, but he doesn't do a post tree.
Not a post tree I don't do a post tree.
So how long have you had the car now Gone over 10, about 10 years, 10 years.
Uh-huh, you haven't had it re-sprayed or anything.
Yeah, i've had to re-paint it.
Oh, you have.
Yeah, what color is it?
It's black, black, okay.
Black huh Yeah.
I know that was a stupid question, but I can't tell whether it's dark greens.
I thought so.
Don And a lot of blues that shut up.
Also, they reflect it depending on what the sun hits.
Well, there's different shades too.
The flop, the floss, the flop, you know not just the wheels on the car and the trailer, but the spare.
Yeah, all the wheels are matched on it.
Now let me originally that when you bought a car back in them days and you had the spares on the fenders at all six tires, rims looked like it was the same.
Yeah, so I wanted to do the same thing with you because those fenders are options, because those cars didn't originally come with wheels on the not all see OK, that's another thing, to back.
In those days I didn't make any kind of cars.
They made about six different styles.
Ok, now you can buy a style without those spares in the fitness right?
you couldn't, and I just like the ones with the spares.
Oh, i agree, I think it really adds a little bit of some penance.
Now, if you didn't get the spares.
In the finish you got a spare on the back side.
Correct One One?
Yeah Right.
Yeah, This one.
I believe that you could get two.
Right One on each side.
Yes, Now I have to ask you about the hood ornament.
That's original Oh my God Yes.
Everybody and his mother would want that.
Oh yes, I'd like to put that on my car.
I got a.
Corvette Now you would look good on the Corvette, don't you think?
I'm think so, i think so.
A lot of old big cars had those kind of Yeah Put on them.
I know.
But you know, with the woman out there, the woman with the wings, Yes, yeah, yeah.
And now, what model is this?
It's a 61 series beer, beer, beer.
61, because Cadillac had the Yeah, they have a 62.
I think, yeah.
They have different series.
Yes, james Cagney, this reminds me of James Cagney.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well it is.
It is stunningly beautiful.
You know the other thing about those cars the running boards on them you just take them for granted, because but those were there for a purpose and they were a rust in infestation for the rest of the car.
The water puddled on them.
Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah, and you know to have one with all of the original stuff on it.
it's truly remarkable.
I mean, I love it And the chrome is perfect for what I can see.
The chrome looks perfect.
It is.
It's in good shape, well, chrome and stainless.
Yeah, a lot of stainless.
I was stainless back then, but still it's.
We call it chrome, but a lot of it was stainless.
Yeah, yeah Well, it's a beautiful car.
Well, thank you.
Now are you in competition here today?
No, i just show up and enjoy the camaraderie.
Yes, so not the competition, but camaraderie.
Right, a lot of these guys I haven't seen since last year.
Yeah, i like seeing that Yeah, you're not the first one to say that.
Yeah, you're chairman of the board, so the exact same words.
Same words.
Yeah, exactly, and it's kind of a family outing.
Everybody's family gets together once a year at the Rod Run.
Yeah, Well, you can see a lot of friends and people that you've seen last year.
You don't see him.
Okay, Now I got to ask you what are you going to do tonight?
I'm going to go up, take my family out to dinner.
Where are you going to go?
You know you've heard of a place called Babes.
It's specializing chicken fried chicken.
No, I saw it on the list of restaurants.
It's fantastic.
Really.
Mm, hmm.
Well, we went downtown on the square last evening and we went to a place called Christina's.
Babes is on the it's, it's on the square, It's rounding that area down there.
Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of sides we didn't really get to.
We didn't get too adventurous.
No Well, we were all tired.
I mean, you know the five hour trip up here and you know it was a long day yesterday And by the end once we had a belly full of food, 90 night.
There's that.
Well, listen, ben, it's great to talk to you.
Thanks for showing us.
I've enjoyed it.
I really enjoyed it.
What a wonderful, what a wonderful car And it sounds like you got a great family.
and enjoy the.
enjoy the rest of the time.
Okay, and nice meeting you, gentlemen.
Thank you, sir, okay.
By the way, everybody, you're on the in wheel time car talk show.
We thank you for writing with us today.
We do have Ben What?
I want to get his headphones off before he walks off.
We've got, I've got.
I've got to turn the page here because I don't remember.
We're going to do the car clinic.
Okay, Can you?
is that okay with you, Conrad?
Are you up to it?
If you let me.
Well, yeah, you take your time, i get it loaded because you had asked a couple of weeks ago to do it on crankshafts.
Correct, and I started with piston rings and then we did pistons last week or two weeks ago and connecting rods last week.
So now we're to the crankshaft.
The crankshaft, and because Conrad can be really technical on some of this stuff, let me just start off by saying there are crankshafts and then there's this new thing It's not new, but new to me called a flat plane crank.
And that's that's what I'm going to show you.
The difference between a cross plane and a flat plane crankshaft is the two crankshaft designs that are out there for the most part, cross plane crankshafts dominate, especially in the American V8 engines, while a flat plane typically show up at high end European exotics and full race cars.
The cross plane crankshaft has a rod journal every 90 degrees, and that's what attributes that distinctive rumble that you hear in the American muscle car.
Now wait just a minute Run that by me one more time.
It has a journal every 90 degrees of what Of the.
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and it's only DVD press when davoned, and I thought we paid a bit more attention to division andif the a look of what the crankshaft looks like from an end view.
Every 90 degrees is a rod journal.
In a flat plane crankshaft.
each rod journal is 180 degrees out, So they oppose each other.
They oppose each other, but they sequence the firing order in a way that it's continuously pushing the crankshaft around, So like one two, three, four, five, six seven, eight, no, like yes to a degree.
But the difference is you know you hear and we heard this 64 Chevy pull in behind us, that rumble you hear in the big engines.
You know when you hear a flat plane crankshaft it has more of a sewing machine song to it.
Because everything's pushing in sequence and you don't get this, what I call the oddness of the exhaust pushing against each other which is what creates the rumble, And that's just in the design of how the air flow comes in and out of the engine and how the firing order works Well does it a flat plane crank?
Can it not rev higher?
than It revs a lot higher because it's lighter.
You know, when you have the cross plane crank, that 90 degree crankshaft, you have to put a lot of counterbalances in it.
So there's a lot of weight in the crankshaft Right.
You spin it around in there It manages the vibration that it can create In a flat plane.
It's got a lot of what's called primary, or a lot of very controlled primary vibration, but it's got a little bit higher secondary vibration.
So as the RPMs come up there can be some vibration in a flat plane crankshaft that you don't see in a typical cross plane crankshaft.
But it gets to speed much faster because it's probably about 60% lighter than a cross plane crankshaft, just because they don't have to build so much 60% lighter, just because they don't have to build so much counterbalance journals in it And they're forged.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's where that noise comes from is because it's endlessly.
Each firing of the cylinder is just endlessly pushing the crankshaft around, where in a cross plane crankshaft, you know you've got one side of the engine pushing, then the other side of the engine pushing, you know and it's something Keith Black was very famous for in his design or redesign of the Hemi was he actually changed the firing order of a Hemi to make more power in the two and seven firing order.
He moved those around and that's why the Keith Black Hemi is that much more powerful.
Can I take an old Chevy V8, let's say a 327, with an old standard crankshaft and put a flat plane crank in?
it?
No, because the cradle where the crankshaft?
goes isn't designed for it.
So the flat plane crankshaft is.
It's more than just a crankshaft, it's pretty much the whole engine.
But that's what gives that distinctive noise When you hear that 12 cylinder Ferrari go by at speed.
That noise, that sewing machine sound, is the flat plane crankshaft that's in it And that's really where the big difference is.
But you see, flat plane crankshifts typically are in high end Europeans the V12s, the V of the Ferrari, V8s and stuff.
But now you're starting to see the domestic starting to use it.
Ford put a flat plane crankshaft in the GT350 Mustang about three or four years ago And that if you hear one of those, you know what it is.
Well, you know who has one, the tone, you know, or had one, john.
Gray Because the tone of the engine is different.
Yes, very much so, and now the new Corvette Racecar.
the CAR has a flat plane in it, and the new Z06 has a flat plane in it.
So why are they just now introducing that or allowing us to buy that outside of racing?
I think it's because the Buying community is more acceptable to that kind of technology.
There's there isn't any Durability and dependability Issues with it, but it technologically it's.
It's expensive to build that engine.
So now people are willing to pay more.
You got a look at a new Z06.
Besides all the crazy dealer markup going on, It's north of a hundred thousand dollars right.
So how much more money would it add To have a flat plane crank engine if?
you just look at the Corvette itself, it's about twenty five thousand 25,000 extra for the motor, for for the regular V8 with the crossplane crankshaft versus the Z06 with the flat plane, and there's a lot of other stuff added to it, but yeah about twenty five thousand dollar difference, and then the craziness of dealer markup and stuff.
So You know, when you look at the pictures that are pop popping up, that that end view of the crankshaft really shows you the difference of across.
I have no clue.
Yeah, pretty cool, pretty cool real high technology And and the balance issue is is an issue, but it's not a do they still have a harmonic balancer on?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they still have a flywheel on it.
Yep still has a flywheel and they still have some counterweights on them, but the counterweights are 60% the size of the counterweight such as you have on a crossplane.
So that's where the weight savings is, and that weight savings in the crankshaft is what Allows it to come up in RPMs faster.
Of course you're not to wait.
You know you don't move all that mass reciprocating weight.
Yeah, and as well as all that mass Help or lack of mass helps, in the fuel performance of it as well.
Well, thank you very much.
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About this episode
Ben Danford shares his passion for hot rodding with his stunning 1934 Buick Series 61 at the Lone Star Street Rod Association event. The conversation dives into the car's unique features, including its original body and modernized running gear, like a 327 Chevy engine. Ben discusses his journey in the automotive world, his experiences with the Buick, and the camaraderie of car shows. The episode also features a segment on crankshaft technology, comparing cross-plane and flat-plane designs, highlighting their impact on performance and sound.
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On this episode of In Wheel Time Car Talk, we continue our coverage of the 48th annual Lone Star Street Rod Association State Run in Granbury, Texas. Join us as we chat with Ben Danford about his remarkable 1934 Buick Series 61 street rod! Ben shares the incredible journey of his vintage gem that has been upgraded with modern running gear while keeping the original lines that carry over onto his trailer. Designed and modified to Ben’s specifications, the trailer is for hauling his power assist device that allows Ben to still cruise the show grounds with his handicap. Discover how this hot rod enthusiast has been cruising with the Lone Star Run Association since 1994, the fantastic tales of his Buick's travels, and the jaw-dropping attention it garners wherever it goes.
In Konrad’s Car Clinic, we explore the captivating world of crankshaft designs, delving into the distinct differences between American V8 engines with cross plane crankshafts and European exotics or full race cars with flat plane crankshafts. Learn about the unique sounds and features of each type, the impact on airflow, and even the possibility of installing a flat plane crankshaft in an old Chevy V8.
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