{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"Affordable 21st-Century Performance, Revisited","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/affordable-21st-century-performance-revisited","audioUrl":"https://anchor.fm/s/4b0db308/podcast/play/118168996/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-9%2F421691007-44100-2-4a7a0d4f27a17.m4a","description":"Several of our core BaT Podcast crew are away on business and/or pleasure this week, so we bring you a remastered version of episode 118 - we'll be back next week!Alex, Randy, and Howard give a brief event recap and then talk about a Saab record holder; the \"full mileage discount\"; how much raw performance can be had for under (or well under) $40k; scary prospects from the likes of AMG and Aston Martin; the ideal four-Porsche driveway for value seekers; and what's in store for the first-year Bentayga.Follow along! Links for the listings discussed in this episode:03:54 2025 Snowball Rally April 25, 26 & 27, 202504:00  Hagerty California Mille04:30  Third Annual BaT Moto Gathering, May 17, 2025 at The Quail04:54  Historic Grand Prix at Zandvoort 202506:19  WeatherTech Vintage Weekend with Brian Redman July 17-20, 202508:58  South Florida BaT Meet-Up—April 19 with K2 Motorcars!09: 36 k2motorcars user page13:38  Chevrolet Corvette C5 model page14:04  First-gen Bentley Continental GT17:12  BMW E63/E64 M617:50  Audi RS518:05 Audi B7 RS418:24  Nissan 370Z20:02  First-gen Cadillac CTS & CTS-V21:28  Mercedes-Benz W203 C55 & C32 AMG24:41  BMW E89 Z4 Roadster25:39  Dodge Neon SRT-426:51  Dodge Challenger (non-SRT, 2009-2015)27:24  Chrysler Crossfire29:06  Mazda NC MX-5 Miata30:26 2001-2007 Subaru Impreza WRX30:33  Volvo V70R33:19  Mazdaspeed634:00  Mazdaspeed336:07 Porsche 986 Boxster38:22  Ford Mustang Saleen S28142:06 Porsche 955/957 Cayenne Turbo47:06  Jaguar XKR48:01  Panoz Esperante48:20  Dodge Ram SRT-10 Quad Cab48:51  Fiat 500 Abarth (2012-2019)Got suggestions for our next guest from the BaT community or an idea for our next game episode? Let us know at podcast@bringatrailer.com!\n"},"annotations":[{"startTime":192.6,"endTime":205.0,"type":"company","title":"Bring a Trailer (BAT) events","url":"/glossary/bring-a-trailer-bat-events","quote":"Did you already talk about the LA event?... A little too much excitement. But the event was that was one of the most favorite, most fun BAT events I've been at in a long time.","canonicalId":"company:bring-a-trailer-bat-events","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“BAT” refers to Bring a Trailer, the enthusiast auction site and community that also organizes in-person events. These gatherings often feature cars that are similar to what the site sells—interesting, enthusiast-grade vehicles with strong backstories.","simplifiedExplanation":"BAT is short for Bring a Trailer, a website and community for car enthusiasts. 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