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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P1 podcast.
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We are here today in person.
01:53
Oh, my goodness gracious me.
01:55
But it's not just Matt and Tommy.
01:57
We've told you about this.
01:58
We told you it was coming.
01:59
We're here with Alex Albon as well.
02:02
Oh, yes, straight off a flight from Hungary.
02:06
They told me that there was this podcast.
02:09
You know, most drivers are off
02:11
to do their summer break right now.
02:12
And I was like, you know what?
02:13
I'm going to come from Hungary to the UK just for this.
02:16
Oh, you had to be on P1.
02:20
We're part of your plan.
02:21
You got the bit where you said it was a lie.
02:23
There was enough of a pause there, I think.
02:26
So today, we're going to be ranking
02:28
the 2025 Formula One circuits
02:30
in a way that's kind of like a World Cup style, right?
02:33
Tommy, we're going to be kind of doing head-to-heads.
02:37
It can be based on whatever you want.
02:38
Probably driver enjoyment.
02:39
It's probably the easiest way to do it.
02:41
Not like toilet facilities.
02:43
Exactly that, yeah.
02:45
Diving out here is hard, but we'll go for the driver feel.
02:49
You know, there's a big talking point with us.
02:52
Yeah, like what tracks have good toilets and not good toilets.
02:55
Because, you know, in some paddocks,
02:58
This sounds really bougie,
02:59
but we do have to share the toilets with the public.
03:03
And so, you will be in the cubicle doing your thing
03:07
and then there are some, you know, where you line up.
03:12
And you're all right next to each other.
03:13
And there's just people like, can we have a selfie?
03:15
And you're like, can we...
03:17
I mean, literally in the middle of something.
03:20
Well, well done and qualified, mate.
03:24
So, it is a conversation, but for another episode.
03:28
Anything, like generally the Middle East
03:31
have it pretty freaking hard.
03:35
Right, we haven't got much time,
03:36
but this is not what I thought the conversation was going to go.
03:39
OK, so, like Matt said, World Cup kind of system.
03:42
And we've actually done seeds as well.
03:43
So, we've got thousands of fans to vote.
03:46
And we've got one to 24 seeds to match up.
03:50
The top eight advance into the next round already,
03:53
just to make it work, which are Interlagos, Silverstone,
03:56
Red Bull Ring, Cota, Spa, Monser, Suzuka and Montreal.
04:01
Right, let's get into the first matchup, Alec.
04:04
It is Zanvort versus Imola.
04:09
So, we've wanted to start really similar as well.
04:14
I can see you're on the track right now.
04:17
You're thinking about the toilet.
04:19
No, we need to move away from the top toilet.
04:22
Honestly, Imola toilets were not good.
04:25
Man, I can't take too long to choose,
04:30
but I would say personally speaking, I like Zanvort.
04:37
It's way too narrow to be a Formula One track,
04:39
but that's what makes it good.
04:40
So, it feels like a karting track.
04:41
It seems ridiculous what we're doing, and I'm all for it.
04:44
And that's next up, in a while, isn't it?
04:46
It is, it is, it is.
04:48
OK, so Zanvort makes it through to the next round.
04:50
We now have Bahrain versus the lowest seed, 24th Miami.
04:57
Oh, that's controversial because they are...
05:02
We did well in Miami, so...
05:07
I was going to say this.
05:12
I really struggle with Bahrain.
05:14
I'm not one for Bahrain.
05:17
What's great about Bahrain is the hotels are so close to the track.
05:24
It's quite nice to have the privilege of a five minute drive,
05:28
less than a five minute drive to the track.
05:30
Bahrain's an interesting one because it used to be that kind of circuit
05:33
that people didn't really like the new tracks,
05:35
but it's kind of been so long now.
05:37
This was the ninth most popular fan track Bahrain.
05:41
To be fair, the racing is very good.
05:43
The racing is good.
05:44
I think that's what a lot of fans vote for, isn't it?
05:47
So Miami makes it through?
05:48
Miami makes it through the underdog.
05:52
On pure personal reasons.
05:56
It doesn't matter what your reasons are.
05:57
OK, next up we have Saudi versus Mexico.
06:03
That is a proper track.
06:05
I am scared on the day that one driver is going to have a big crash there.
06:09
We've been scared about that for many years.
06:12
It's kind of waiting for a really scary act.
06:14
Because they wind a little bit.
06:15
But honestly, we're doing 300 kilometers an hour
06:17
and it's a blind spot to 100 meters in a lot of them corners.
06:20
Just make the straight, straight.
06:22
That would be nice.
06:23
Are the slow down laps quite terrifying
06:25
that you're just constantly thinking, please, don't have a car?
06:27
We are, especially, we're like kind of dancing across
06:30
where we think a car would be on their push laps.
06:32
So it gets a bit sketchy.
06:34
You constantly have to think about where isn't the racing line to sit.
06:38
That must be taxiing itself.
06:39
OK, but Saudi makes it through because it is a proper driver's circuit.
06:42
Next up, we have China versus Abu Dhabi.
06:46
China is an underrated track.
06:49
Yes, I've been saying this for so many years.
06:52
It's such a good track.
06:54
Yeah, it is a good track.
06:55
And they've changed the time max.
06:58
The time max got much better recently.
07:00
Actually grippy this time.
07:06
OK, China's through.
07:07
We now go to Hungary versus Vegas.
07:11
So I would often put Hungary as not as good as what other drivers would put it as.
07:21
But Vegas is really much worse.
07:24
I find Vegas really tricky as a race weekend with the jet lag that we have to deal with.
07:33
And the event as a whole with the timing of it.
07:36
Because it is a night race in Vegas, which puts it in its own little brackets of jet lag.
07:41
That belongs in a different world.
07:47
I think some people love Vegas as a, maybe for the fan point of view.
07:51
It's surprisingly low.
07:52
It's the 18th most popular.
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I wouldn't have fit that low.
07:56
I think if it continues to produce a good race every single year, I think you'll see
08:01
It's like massive straights, hard braking zones.
08:05
Yeah, that's very true.
08:06
And I think I keep looking at it as a pure driving point of view and silly things like
08:13
So what was the other one?
08:15
Hungary makes it through.
08:17
OK, next up we have Australia versus Monaco.
08:23
Definitely Australia.
08:25
Australia's gone already.
08:26
Australia is an amazing track.
08:29
I look at it again.
08:30
I look at it as a city.
08:32
Really cool place to be.
08:34
Monaco, I get to sleep in my own bed, which is nice.
08:36
But it doesn't win out.
08:38
Monaco is always a controversial one.
08:41
23rd most popular because I think...
08:43
Yeah, that's interesting.
08:44
I think a lot of fans are getting...
08:46
That last race there, for the first time ever, I was kind of like, this is getting
08:50
a bit ridiculous now.
08:51
Yeah, I guess we're a part of this.
08:53
Even as the biggest hardcore Monaco supporter ever.
08:57
When you get there on Friday, you go, this is the best track ever, and then you do
09:00
interviews on Sunday and go, this is terrible.
09:01
You know, what's weird for me was it was the first time in my career around Monaco
09:07
where I didn't even feel the buzz in qualifying.
09:10
It felt like a normal track.
09:12
Like I didn't feel the walls, which was weird.
09:15
Which maybe it might be experience in just getting comfortable with being close
09:19
But it was just like a regular track.
09:21
So I was quite relaxed in qualifying when I was doing my laps.
09:24
Other years it was like...
09:27
Yeah, that's really interesting.
09:29
But yeah, I know what you mean.
09:32
I think they do need to make...
09:34
Well, the cars will get smaller.
09:39
There's a lot of real estate around Monaco, and I think we did have some
09:43
really good conversations around making it better for overtaking.
09:49
From 2026 and beyond?
09:50
I think they can do it for 2026.
09:51
Let's see if they do it.
09:52
Tommy's love for the Monaco has just gone up by a million.
09:55
Next up, we have Singapore versus Spain.
10:03
I don't really like the layout of Singapore.
10:08
But I like the city and I like the challenge of it physically.
10:12
Barcelona, I've just done too many laps around there.
10:16
We as fans are sick of seeing it with how many laps we've seen.
10:20
It feels like a testing circuit when you get there for a Grand Prix
10:25
Singapore makes it through.
10:27
And finally, in this first round, we have Baku versus Qatar.
10:34
Yeah, that's a really, really good track.
10:38
I'm not sure how it comes across on camera.
10:42
It feels like it does very much feel like what it is, a MotoGP track.
10:47
There's no one car that's going round.
10:49
But I can very much imagine it's a lot of fun.
10:52
It's amazing to drive.
10:54
Yeah, it's really well done.
10:57
The only thing I'd say is it's insanely physical to the point.
11:02
Well, there's that race.
11:03
It's just everything's medium to high speed, really, isn't there?
11:08
And we also come from what's the time zone, but we shift.
11:14
I don't know if it's...
11:18
Just wait before Abu Dhabi.
11:22
We know Vegas, which we've just been destroyed by.
11:25
And then we go into Qatar, which is the most physical track of the year
11:28
with a massive carrier of jet lag and a double header into a triple header.
11:32
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11:34
Because it's a great track.
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We have Brazil versus Zanvort.
17:41
Not even a hesitation.
17:43
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17:45
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17:49
I think it's because it delivers a great grand prix
17:51
every other average store out of ten.
17:53
Is that because of the weather?
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The average score out of ten was 9.39
18:00
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18:02
It's just one of those tracks that...
18:06
even though we just said Zanvort's
18:08
kind of like a go-kart track,
18:10
Brazil feels like that.
18:12
I think it's because these cars are so heavy now
18:15
and they lose so much downforce
18:17
in those speed corners.
18:19
It feels like you're turning a bus around a track.
18:23
Why Interlagos creates such good...
18:26
Because on paper, I don't think it would really work,
18:28
but it just seems to.
18:30
I think in a lot of corners,
18:33
you can do different lines.
18:35
Like sector two, if one guy goes wide,
18:37
you go tight, tight, wide, tight, wide,
18:39
and you can offset your clean air.
18:41
So you can generally stay...
18:43
Is that turn one switch back kind of thing?
18:45
Exactly, you can find pockets of clean air
18:47
when you're battling in sector two
18:55
Next up, we have Canada versus Miami.
19:01
I bet you feel like...
19:03
He's even deciding which one.
19:07
Canada is a really cool track.
19:09
As a driver, it's really fun to...
19:11
When you get the balance over the curbs
19:13
and then you can gain that extra lap time
19:15
and there's like a technique
19:17
on how you hit the curbs.
19:19
The details make it really fun.
19:21
A really exciting track.
19:23
I think we agree as fans as well.
19:25
And Montreal is super cool.
19:27
Yeah, it's a very cool place.
19:29
Next up, we have the...
19:33
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Next up, we have Cota versus Saudi.
19:51
A well-designed track.
19:53
I find it a little bit
19:59
I don't enjoy sector three that much,
20:01
but I appreciate what they've done
20:03
to make the racing good.
20:07
Are they annoying for drivers,
20:09
those kind of slow, clumsy corners
20:11
but it's quite fun to watch on TV
20:13
when you can do the switch back.
20:15
What song is that when he goes
20:23
Yeah, it does feel a bit chacha slide
20:25
but we can deal with that.
20:27
Not every track's perfect.
20:29
Okay, Cota makes it through.
20:31
Next up, Spa versus China.
20:37
Spa would win that one.
20:41
Keep it simple. Amazing track.
20:43
They do need to extend the DRS zone.
20:45
I'm surprised how bad you're overtaking
20:47
in Belgium because it has all the recipe
20:49
for a good racing track.
20:51
We've been having this conversation
20:53
of like it doesn't...
20:55
I think fans are kind of...
20:57
It will always get a bit of a free pass from the fans
20:59
because it's so exciting, the drivers love it.
21:01
We've had great races in the past
21:03
but definitely fans are starting to get a bit more like
21:05
come on Spa when you're going to actually deliver
21:09
I think that, weirdly, that Chicanin in sector 3
21:11
if there's a different way
21:13
you could get into some clean air
21:17
every turn one is fine.
21:21
you lose too much between
21:23
in the Chicanin and then you can never really
21:25
turn one, you kind of say the same
21:27
and then that's it.
21:29
But also nowadays the cars, everyone's become
21:33
We're running so much less downforce.
21:35
And we were in 2022 even.
21:37
And so this lipstream effect is getting
21:41
And the DRS is less powerful.
21:43
Yeah, we need Spa to
21:45
get back to its former glory I think.
21:49
Silverstone vs Hungry.
21:55
The fans will like that as well.
21:57
It's the second seed is Silverstone.
21:59
What do you love about Silverstone?
22:01
Obviously a great track.
22:03
The biggest thing is
22:05
it's also really well done
22:13
You need tracks that can offer you different lines.
22:15
As soon as it becomes single file
22:17
and you're stuck in the dirty air then it's game over.
22:19
That's why we always mention
22:21
every time we get the question of
22:23
what's the one track you would bring back
22:25
we say Sopang because that first kind of sector
22:27
where you swap was always an amazing track.
22:29
I think that would probably win this
22:31
World Cup tournament.
22:35
Suzuka vs Australia.
22:39
Some heavy hitters.
22:43
Now you've kind of persuaded me
22:45
into thinking more like big
22:47
picture rather than just driving.
22:49
Japan's my favourite track to drive on.
22:53
I would always, it has a soft spot
22:55
but it isn't that great for racing.
23:01
it's still, it's almost like
23:03
they're running to turn one.
23:05
When you do it, it's like that.
23:09
a lower drag to the other car
23:11
and it gets a bit tricky.
23:13
So I'm going to say Melbourne
23:17
Do you get disheartened
23:19
at a track like say like Suzuka
23:21
when you go into the weekend you're really excited
23:25
Then you get into a race that's almost
23:27
all-ring and you just don't behind the car.
23:29
Yeah, it can be like that.
23:31
That's a good example.
23:35
I'm trying to think of examples
23:39
in Austin vs sector
23:43
you would argue they're very similar and I think
23:45
they're designed, been designed around the same concept.
23:51
a bigger chance to find pockets of clear air
23:53
because the first bit is already flat in a way
23:55
and then there's the way
23:57
you can do your different lines is quite
23:59
quite different whereas in Suzuka
24:01
it's way more single file
24:03
that it's a bit tighter
24:07
are narrower so you end up
24:09
not being able to do the
24:13
It's just little things like that
24:15
make a big difference to the racing.
24:17
So if you were creating a sector you would make it wider.
24:25
there will be an answer to this
24:27
I just don't know it.
24:29
There are ways to create
24:37
not an obvious single line
24:41
Exactly, you can do
24:43
you can have a track that
24:49
more V style or U style
24:51
and that's when you get
24:53
not one singular racing.
24:55
Lovely stuff, we now go to
24:57
Austria vs Singapore
25:03
That's interesting because again this is
25:05
clearly from a fan perspective
25:07
and it does surprise me actually
25:09
Austria was the third most popular track on the whole
25:15
No, conquer is agreed
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and even then is racing that good?
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I think we've been quite lucky
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that for some reason Max and Lander
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have made it good for the last few
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and if it was before then it was Max and Charles
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but in the midfield
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it's not an easy track to follow either
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Yeah, I guess you just have
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like we've had like weird conditions
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that we've had sometimes been mixed conditions
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sometimes the track's been really hot
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and it's caused upsets with Mercedes
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and then obviously you have that really hard
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on the brakes into turn to technically 3
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which does promote some kind of chaos
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So is it the middle sector that's not really that fun?
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I mean middle sector
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I think other drivers like it more than I do, I just find it
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there's too much thinking time
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corner straight corner straight corner straight
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there's not that much flow
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So who is going through?
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Austria or Singapore?
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Okay, Singapore's gone
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and then finally in this round we have
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I'm not surprised about that one
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Monza's been much harder to follow than
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than previous years
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That's another weird one that you can't explain
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on paper Monza should be the best
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for overtaking, it's actually one of the worst
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There's no wing on anyone's
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There's no wing and
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it's really interesting when we do our qualifying ones
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if you look at the recent years
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it's been often preferred now to run in clean air
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do you remember like 2019
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2020 when we used to be
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playing quality games
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and now it's gone totally the opposite
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and you'll find people doing clean air
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and it's funny how these generation of cars
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is becoming even more powerful
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more and more efficient dealing with
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straight line speeds
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Is it expected from 20.6 and beyond that we get more slipstream back?
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I think it would be
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I don't know but I see Formula E
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that's become my peloton now
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it won't be to that extreme
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but how much more efficient would it be
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maybe some racing, I like that
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semi-finals aren't we
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right, Zandvoort vs Canada
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I'm going to be selfish here
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I still like Zandvoort more as a track
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you can be as selfish as you want
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next up, Kota vs Spa
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Kota is just like a hybrid
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they designed it to be a best
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if Kota had no runoff
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it would be like another level
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those thin strips of gravel
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that's been popping up here
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a bit of that for track limits
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you're going to have Arnold Schwarzenegger
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by the end of the weekend
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this comes with sweeping up
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next is Silverstone vs Melbourne
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Silverstone makes it through
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and then it's Austria vs Monza
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Monza makes it through
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we're here to the final
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there's four of them, can't be the final
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here we go, Zandvoort vs Kota
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I know where this is going
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is it a mix of the racing
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and the fact that it's a fun
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driver's track as well?
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I think they have a nice hybrid
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can be one stop two stops
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I can't remember what it was last year
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Silverstone vs Monza
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okay, so we have our final
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it is the circuit of the Americas
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you've got the weather
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which is always unpredictable
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it's still good racing
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if you're four tenths slower
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you can still overtake
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that doesn't happen at most tracks
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a pace deficit of at least
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six, seven tenths at most tracks
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and I mean some tracks are
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one across five sections
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the good thing about Silverstone is
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there's so many circuits on the F1 calendar
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like we've spoken about like
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Suzuki and Spa and all these classics
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but we're always complaining that it's so hard to overtake
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whereas Silverstone for some reason it does just work still
30:17
we had it with Fernando
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I overtook him in the last lap in Silverstone
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and my pace advantage to him was around
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three and a half, four tenths
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perfect, that's what it is
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that's the magic number
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exactly, Hungary is around
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I think it's around seven
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no, it's over a second for a guaranteed one lap overtake
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there are big differences
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you never get that delta really do you?
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exactly, you won't, not with the midfield being so close now
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Silverstone wins, thank you so much
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Alex for joining us for this ranking
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stand out to you because I guess you don't do this
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in the beginning I was being totally selfish
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and then in the middle of this
30:59
distance to track from hotels
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and then I kind of played the
31:05
I guess what the fans have been voting for
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which is more of what's the complete package track
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but I still would have
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finished on the same
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thank you so much Alex for coming on
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and we'll see you very soon
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