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This is the most fun I've had in this chair in the last hour and a half.

I don't know if we've ever argued.

Did I piss you off over the weekend or?

I'm still sour that I was the best man that you're with.

Who was your best man, Dale?

PJ.

You don't need a cool vest for that race.

What are you thinking?

Get him, PJ.

Hell, it's starting to show.

All right then.

Hey, everybody.

It's Dale Jr. back again for another episode of the Dale Jr. download.

It's Tuesday.

This is post-Pokono heading into San Diego.

First time we've ever raced at the Coronado Naval Base.

Yeah.

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We will have Chris Gale calling in in a bit.

The crew chief for Denny Hamlin, who is on a heater here with three straight wins.

And I'm on a heater.

All right.

Three DNFs.

I don't know.

Three DNFs.

Yeah, you're on a heater all right.

We'll get into that.

Yeah, we will.

Denny's been doing awesome.

And so great opportunity for us to talk to the man behind the tool box, wrenching on

this car, getting her dialed in every week.

He's done an amazing job because frankly, you know, the Toyotas are riding in a bit of an

advantage right now, but Denny's Toyotas seems to be the best Toyota.

I have marveled at the way this car runs on the long run.

He is not the fastest car at the racetrack when the race begins or in practice.

I don't know.

He starts on the pole a lot.

Well, lap, let's qualify in this practice.

Best car on the track.

Listen, I know what you mean.

Yeah.

Lap one in practice.

The 45 goes out there.

Blisters off lap.

He was first down on the racetrack.

That helps.

But when the race begins, you know, five jumps out there, grabs the lead, runs pretty good

in stage one till Denny comes down there and run passes him.

Denny's car doesn't fire off good.

He talks about it on restarts.

But at lap 10, 11, 12, all the way through the rest of the run, he just gets better

and better.

Everyone else falls off more.

Their balance gets tighter, looser, whatever.

They're just not handling well.

And his car just kind of runs the same speed.

It's no secret that Denny's a great race manager, though.

He's always been that way.

So good.

Yeah.

He is doing it.

And at like, Tireware at Bristol, Denny's one of the guys that can make them tires last.

I thought LaTar brought up a good point the other week.

Like, no.

He's like the chef that doesn't measure things.

So when he's out in practice, he's not really focused on times, but he's more on the feel

and stuff.

And so like, he's not trying to get the fastest time on practice.

He's not.

No.

And he knows his car's not set up for that, right?

And so he says it.

I'm looking for a feel.

And so he goes out there and runs and runs, runs.

Hey, even in practice at Pocono, he was like, I don't like the balance.

And they're like, well, we need you to run longer because they needed to run as much

fuel out of the car as they could so they could qualify with low fuel.

So I mean, he's he's working on that balance late, late into the run.

And but he knows what he's looking for.

He does.

That's the that's the experience.

He knows better than the other guys.

He does.

So rookies, they come in there.

They don't they're literally looking at lap times and be like, they're going to look

at an SMT.

I need to do that.

They don't know what the feel is like.

That is hard to do.

I spent my whole career looking at that monitor on the pit box during practice,

trying to figure out how to get myself high, high up that line.

And that's not what you need to do, but it's hard.

You you go out, 40 cars go out onto the racetrack in practice and you look at that monitor and go,

damn 12th, man, I want to be first.

What do I need to do to be first?

And you're going, you're trying to think in your mind, what do I need to change to go out there

and run the fastest lap on the racetrack?

And that is the absolute wrong thing to be doing in that moment.

It is.

And it's hard not to do that.

You need to go out there and go, what did it do at lap five?

And what do I need it to do at lap five?

What's it not doing?

And what adjustment could I give my car to make it do the things I needed to do at lap 10?

Sometimes I wish that board didn't exist.

You'd be better off.

Yeah, you didn't look at it, but it's it's hard to hard because you want to be first.

You want to be on top of the board with the fastest lap and you want to have the best car.

It used to be the left side, right?

Because you go in there and it split the column.

There's two columns.

If you run the left side, you're pretty good.

Yeah.

Well, Denny's pretty good right now.

And we're going to a couple of road courses though, where he's not been, you know, he

publicly says it's just not his forte, but it'd be interesting to see if he can just

survive at San Diego and come out with a decent result.

I think that this is going to be chaos.

If you've watched, there's a lot of videos now on social media of some I racing laps

of cars going around the racetrack.

There's a lot of elevation changes.

There's a lot of hard downhill landings.

Those guys are making it look easy, too, by the way.

Some of them guys driving.

Holy cow, are they making it look easy?

If you look at, you remember the downhill at Road America?

That's yes.

That there's a couple of those there.

Yeah.

They're very similar.

Those are those are inviting potential hazards.

And at this particular racetrack, unlike Road America, there's no runoff.

It's a tire barrier.

Oh, no, it's like Chicago.

That's right.

You're going to hit.

So there's there's a couple of downhills into some braking zones that I think are going

to be problematic of some guys.

Two is downhill by the carrier.

That's right.

Yeah.

And they're in down at the bottom of those, there's some back bumps and so forth.

And there's there's all kinds of bumps and problematic issues.

Two is a big like when you're breaking down the hill, there's like a dip.

Yes.

And it's like, oh, yeah.

I think that's going to bite some folks.

There's a lot of bumps going around the track that are just going to throw cars off because

that that place is lined with those like shit.

I don't know what them shipping, how they do this.

It's got them tracks.

Yes.

And we are going over them.

We're not going straight with them.

You're crossing them laterally loaded.

Yeah.

And it bounces across them and oh man.

I mean, I like it.

I mean, it gives a track.

I love it too.

Oh, I love it too.

The only problem is TJ is it's a three and a half mile course.

3.4 could be exact.

I know.

Road America.

And if we have a car that has contact with a wall and can't continue, they're going to

have to throw a caution.

Yeah.

Caution laps there are going to be five minutes.

Five minimum.

Yeah.

A caution lap around that racetrack is going to take let's just say six minutes.

And if we can't get, you know, if you have four caution laps, so you got to come by open

up Pit Road 20 minutes.

Oh man, you have 20 minute cautions.

Could you have cautions where it's just for that area or like local yellows, local yellows?

That's something that I think NASCAR is going to have to ask themselves if we're going to

run these big tracks like this.

I think it's something that if you can't move the car, if the guy's wrecked and he's in

the tire barrier, right, and he's stuck, you know, you can't race around it.

So my, I would say this, like if I have a guy that goes, that gets in trouble and his

car's out, not in a dangerous spot, I'm sorry, pal.

You know, I mean, if there's a way for him to exit the vehicle and get off the racetrack

and the car is not in a dangerous spot, I don't know if that even exists at this racetrack,

but that might be the end of your day right there.

And I'm not going to throw the caution to allow you to retrieve your vehicle and try

to salvage something out of the day.

I just don't know if I can do it.

Yeah, I agree.

Listen, if the stages are 20 laps, the first two, you know what the stages are?

20, 20, 20, 40, 75.

Okay.

20, 40, 75.

So if you have a caution, I think, right, if you have a caution in stage one, half the

stage is going to be ran under caution.

Yeah.

And you're going to have one.

Oh, no way that they're going to run stage one.

That ought to be a bet.

You know, what lap is the first caution?

No.

Will there be a caution in stage one?

That ought to be a bet.

I think the bet should be what like.

There's a host of our in the race.

It'll be a caution.

I like that.

That's, that's taking a step further, but they're going to have a caution in stage one.

They're going to have one.

You're going to run one third of that stage under caution minimum.

Stage two, same thing.

They're going to have one or two yellows there.

You're going to have a lot of caution.

Yeah, I agree.

Unless NASCAR can be really stingy with the yellow flag, but that would mean basically,

you know, leaving a guy out there on the racetrack if he's not in a compromising situation and

not allowing him to be able to, you know, get himself to the garage or to the pits

to repair his vehicle to be able to continue the race.

I don't see NASCAR doing that.

I don't either.

Do you think?

But they do that sometimes in sports car.

Yeah, sometimes.

If a guy miss, if a guy gets to a runoff area and parks, man, the race is going.

Sorry about your luck.

Yep.

So I'm interested in looking because they tell us where all the cutouts are.

They give us a map and say, if you're in trouble, you can turn off here, but rarely drivers

use them.

We don't.

We only use them if we know you've blown up on the engine.

Yes, you're not going to make it back.

No, yeah, no driver's going to pull off in any of those areas because it's going to

get us to you by his team.

Yeah, you should have stayed out there.

Just quit.

Yeah.

And you lose the laps.

Yeah.

I wonder if if you're going to set the tone, you almost have to do it like, hey, you know,

like, you tell him.

Yeah.

I mean, hey, we're not, we're not just going to throw cautious because you're creeping

around here or something.

We're going to, you know, like you said, if guy goes way off to the right and whatever

turn, whatever number that is, and he's not in a compromising position, do you just leave

him over there?

I would.

I mean, I think I would too, rather than bring another, you're not racing.

Yeah.

I don't want to pace.

No.

I think under this circumstance, you might, I think under this circumstance, if I was

NASCAR, I would definitely change my protocols slightly.

I don't know that I would really change any rules per se, but I would just be more stingier.

I'd be more patient, I suppose, with, with throwing the yellow.

Now there are some scenarios where, you know, it's a wreck or a spin around mid-pack, you

know, you don't want anybody piling in there wide ass open.

Yeah.

I mean, you got to, you got to err on the side of safety, but if a guy is sitting there

off to the side and he's not in a bad spot, you might consider holding onto the flag just

a little while.

Call for triple A buddy.

We ain't coming.

Yeah.

So three to go in the stage.

You do let it run out.

You know what I mean?

Like obviously depending on, yeah, depending on where the guy is sitting, but I mean, does

that make a difference?

If it's three to go in the stage or three laps into the stage, they do.

Hey, we've talked about it on this show.

I know.

We've talked about it all the race differently depending on what time, what moment in the

race it is.

Yeah.

And if they can, if they can allow it to finish the stage, they will, they're not going to,

you know, the worst thing that could happen.

Oh man.

If we had a caution with three laps in the stage, even four to go.

Oh, they're going to, they're going to then therefore have to pace to the end of the stage.

And then we're going to have the stage cautions.

Oh my God.

Dude, it would be a 40 minute caution.

Oh man.

So NASCAR has got to be careful.

And I would think that they would need to, I would hope that they're having some conversations

internally about how they will officiate this event uniquely due to the length of the racetrack.

I would just, I think that's a great way to put it.

Let me ask you a question.

If the caution comes out, they're on 18 caution comes out.

Could they not say this could end this?

We've talked about this.

This can, this is the end of the stage.

We're going to go ahead and do the cycle and carry on.

Right.

We've talked about that.

They haven't done that yet.

We've wondered why they wouldn't.

They say that it, well, they say that the crew chiefs on the pit box and the engineers,

it throws all of their calculations on fuel.

I know who cares.

But I don't know.

I don't know why NASCAR wants to.

If it's a natural yellow.

I know.

I don't, I don't understand that.

Maybe there's more reasons than I'm thinking, but you're asking basically if the caution

were to come out three laps before the end of the stage, why not throw the stage green

checker green checker right there and say, Hey, the stage is ending early and now we're

going to start that cycle so we can get back gracing.

This would be a perfect example of that.

I could think of of where you would want to do that if you're forced into that situation.

But they, they've had that chance multiple times over the last several years and they

haven't used, they haven't changed that protocol yet for whatever reason.

This is their chance to do it and then carried over.

That's right.

Another thing with that too is change.

Could you not use forced into some change sometimes and we find out that it's actually

a good thing and then use it for every race.

I don't get it.

I understand what you're saying.

Yeah.

What about using, and I know this is probably far fetched, but what about using alternate

like you, instead of running an extra lap to cross the line, you let them use alternate

start finish line.

That way you can open pit road.

Hell no.

Can't mess with that.

I don't want the.

Yeah.

I can use that one.

I'm sorry.

So you don't have to run a whole nother lap.

I understand TJ, but I'm sorry.

I can't, the alternate start finish line bugs me as it is, even in practice and qualifying

or in qualifying at Pocono for example, putting it on the back straightaway over there.

I don't love it.

It's weird.

I don't love it.

I know why we do it, but I'm like, I know why we do it, but I think it's unnecessary

that we do it that way.

At this road course, we're going to do it and I'll be glad we're doing it at qualifying,

having an alternate start finish line.

But truly it's not.

To me, it works good at road courses.

It does work great at road courses.

It does.

But it's just not the purest in me.

I struggle.

I'm with you.

I wouldn't want to do it in race conditions ever.

I wouldn't want to, okay, this lap.

And it's also too confusing for you.

It is.

That's what I would worry about.

Well, Diddy Hamlin closed the gap again on Tyler Reddick now within 19 points.

If you look at the wins, so you get 15 extra points for wins.

Bonus points.

That's right.

And Tyler has five.

Denny has four.

Now they're separated by 19 points.

That's basically the difference between the win bonus and the points difference between

first and second.

So this point system is a blast.

I love it.

I was sitting there about five weeks ago thinking, man, I'm wondering what everybody's thinking.

We got Justin Allgaier with a 200-sum point lead.

250.

Yep.

Well, he didn't have that five weeks ago, but he had a big lead.

Tyler Reddick had a huge lead.

And I'm sitting here thinking, man, is everybody going to start to turn on this point system?

Are they going to start to say maybe this wasn't the right way because now we've got

two runaways?

Is this what's going to happen in the chase?

Is this going to be decided with three races to go?

You know?

But Denny has saved the day.

He has ran the man down.

Tyler Reddick.

And Denny.

And he's done it in the last three weeks.

We're coming up on two road courses where Denny isn't exactly the greatest.

And so now we get to see Superman with some adversity.

Yeah.

He's coming back out of the toes.

Can he take the cape off?

Get through these two weeks and keep that 19-point buffer.

Or does it expand again?

Does he have to regroup and rebuild and come back running back down?

What do you think?

It will expand.

The question is how much...

Why are you doing that?

No, no, hold on, no, hold on.

Let me finish because I'm going to...

You and Denny are already...

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

You're already giving up.

Hold on.

I said it's going to expand by how much?

I don't know.

But I will say, and you've said this, and I think you're right.

I think Denny is kind of sandbagging the same way that you're saying, oh, I can't catch

Reddick and I can't get to Dale Sr.'s numbers.

That's kind of how Denny operates is he's never going to go out there and guarantee

something.

He wants to under promise over deliver.

I agree with you there.

That's absolutely what he's doing.

He wants to and absolutely believes that he should and will beat Ty Dillon and Sonoma

in his bracket.

He does.

He's not going to say that publicly.

He's going to go...

He's going to make a joke.

There's my kryptonite.

He said I'm cooked.

I'm cooked.

But behind privately to himself, he's going, in a way I'm getting by Ty Dillon and Sonoma.

I'm not...

I'm going to go out there.

Yeah, how's the Denny bros behind the scenes here?

They don't know.

He won't say that in the Denny bros though.

Well, no, but to himself.

To himself, does he think he can catch my dad's wind turtle?

He does.

And he's probably considering it.

He's got to make that decision for himself of whether he wants to run long enough to

do it.

And he wants to.

He absolutely can and probably will.

Yeah, he says he's the most competitive person.

Therefore, like, I don't believe that he doesn't think that it's just how he vocalizes it.

So I think I believe, and you know, to take this a step further, I think that Denny Hamlin

is underselling to your point because he doesn't have to be bragged.

Oh, he doesn't have to come out there.

No reason for it.

But he is, I believe what happens is he keeps, he keeps racing as long as he's winning.

And I think that the new point system lengthens his runway.

And I also think that that number trying to match my dad's wins is a is another goal of

his.

And I think the closer he gets to it, the more motivated to to beat it he will become.

And so, you know, because it was the same way with 60, right?

And here we go.

We sprint, sprint, right past 60, right?

And so, you know, he'll do that with 70.

And then it'll be, wow, I can pass the Lernerhardt and total wins.

Let's do, let's go do that.

And so I actually think he ends up racing to 48.

Yeah, I don't feel like he's that close.

My round may be 49.

Interesting.

I think he could even be doing a one off here there all the way through the 50.

Yes.

I mean, especially since you own your own team, like it's very easy.

He's gonna get a card.

No, that's right.

Yeah.

How many points do you think leaving Sonoma, he needs to be in within to truly have a shot?

How many are after Sonoma?

There'll be eight after Sonoma.

After Sonoma, eight more races.

I think there's 10 left in the regular season, right?

I think so.

He's, it don't matter.

Hey, you got two super speedways in there.

I don't care what the points separation is after Sonoma, eight's enough.

Yeah.

The way he's running, eight is enough.

Even if two are super speedways or Tyler is the eight is enough.

But he's pretty good at those two.

Tyler, you can't, I know he's not lucky.

Yeah.

Like he has been.

It doesn't matter.

Eight is enough.

And I, even if it get balloons back to a hundred points in two weeks, which it probably won't.

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Do we want to get into Brad and who's to blame?

I mean, I know who's to blame, but who's blame for what?

The wreck.

The one that Brad was called in.

Yeah.

All right.

So they get down into turn three and SVG missed the corner running the side of the

21.

Yep.

That could have ended it right.

That could have been the end of it right there.

Could have been.

Right.

The 33 goes to the inside and Austin Hill just doesn't give them enough room.

They come off off the corner and there's enough room for one car on outside of

Austin Hill, not two.

And Austin Hill doesn't race a ton in the next gen.

I don't know if he got tight right there or whatever, but I'll give him the benefit

of the doubt that maybe there's just a ton of stuff happening and he's getting a

lot of information about being clear, not clear, three wide, two wide, clear the 20

blah, blah, blah.

We listen to it.

And you want up to, huh?

And you want up right there.

And you want to, yeah, you're trying to finish the throttle.

Yep.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't know, you know, there's a lot of

things that could happen to have avoided that.

Brad, you know, the 21 doesn't want to lift, give up the spot, but

he could have in the middle of the corner.

He could have said, Hey, I'm beat.

I think what the bad part is is like, so Brad checks up and Bubba goes actually

back full throttle and tries to clear the wreck on the outside.

And he's doing so.

He's going to make, he's probably going to run into the back of Chris for bell.

That's what people don't realize.

Like, for bells up against the wall and he's going to, he's going to run into the

back of him, like Brad hits the brakes and a guy comes flying by him and it goes

up there and that's the guy that isn't coming down the track and hits us.

I can see the frustration there.

Bubba didn't cause the rack.

Yeah.

Bubba gets clipped by the 22.

Yes.

And so, I mean, he gets, he can't help that.

Well, he could have slowed down and not been there, but I mean, you know, he saw a gap.

Well, Freddie's telling him top hard, top hard.

I mean, lift for wrecks.

Sorry to cost, but like there's a wreck lift.

I don't know.

Hit the break.

I don't know.

I think that's ridiculous.

Well, it breaks for wreck, breaking for wrecks.

Slow down for wrecks.

Yeah, but he sees an option.

He says he sees all the crashing happening down low, right?

No, it doesn't open up.

They're all up high.

Like they're up against the wall.

Freddie tells him one squeeze into the fence on the outside up here.

Like, look at the 20.

They're all down.

20.

But he didn't hit Lugano camp and hit him.

I know.

If Lugano doesn't like.

If Lugano doesn't hit him, what happens?

This is the way TJ thinks, man.

If Lugano doesn't hit him, what happens?

Nothing that he keeps racing.

He runs into the back of the 20 car.

No, he doesn't.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Have you looked at it?

I'm watching it right here.

What's the gap?

Let's see.

Watch.

Here he comes.

Bam.

He's swerving to miss him.

He's going to.

Yeah, he's probably not.

He was swerving to miss the 20 car and the 22 hits him.

Yeah.

So if he lives and follows us through, it doesn't happen.

But he doesn't.

I don't think he has to.

I just don't like that people don't live for X.

Like, and I like, I think it's dumb not to, but I don't think that you can.

Like, I'm okay if a driver doesn't like, I mean, the 22 just spun himself out.

Well, he got, he kind of got hit a little bit.

Like he ran into.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not like, you know, it wasn't what the hell, Joey.

I'm just saying like, I'm just watching this over and over.

I'm like, well, yeah, it's just a wreck.

Twenty 22 just loses it trying to, you know, trying to not be in the wreck.

He gets clipped or something.

But, you know, he does coming by and just gets like the 20 slow because he's in

the wall, right?

Yeah.

No, they're, they're all so up.

That's what I'm saying.

He's slow against the wall.

Why are you going top hard?

That's what I'm saying.

Like, but I mean, you can see in front of him.

I don't think he runs into the 20.

Ah, he's going way faster.

He's swerving to miss him when Joey hits him.

He is.

If Bubba lets up, he probably gets hit more.

Oh, really?

22?

Really?

Follow up, rad drives right through the middle with no, nothing nearest.

Right there.

No, no, I'm saying the 22 probably hits him still.

The 20, he gets clipped in the left rear.

If he slowed down, he probably runs into 20, probably doors at 22.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

If he lifts and follows us through, Joey's up against the wall and he goes through the

middle.

Oh, you want him to follow you?

Well, I would just follow.

I mean, even if he's off staggered, Joey's up against the wall.

I agree.

Like Joey's not coming down.

He's not going fast enough.

I'm just saying, if you're wanting to 23 to slow down, I just think there's a wreck.

Slow down.

He ends up, he ends up probably hitting the 22 in the passenger side door.

I don't think he'd know.

Because the 22 it therefore then slides across track in front of him.

So the car that follows us through the wreck, I'm just saying, watch, watch.

I'm just saying it too, TJ.

I'm watching the same.

You're watching.

There's a car behind us, the black hood right here, follows us right through the

middle.

That had been Bubba right there, right through the middle, but Bubba's on the outside.

He's not on the outside.

He was behind us.

Watch his in car.

He's 23 car links behind us.

I can't see his in car.

I've, I wouldn't watched it.

If you get the outside wall right there, you're an idiot.

How am I like watches in car.

He throttles up and goes around the outside into a wreck.

They're wrecking.

Slow down.

All right.

You're right.

You have a right to your opinion, TJ.

Major Freddie says you're wrong.

Well, of course he does.

Well, Freddie lost the top hard.

How'd that work out for him?

Looks pretty good right here.

Why didn't you slow down?

We did.

Why didn't you slow down more?

The 23 slides across your nose.

You run right into it.

Well, I can't control the throttle.

Why can't you slow down a little bit more than that?

There's a wreck happening.

Well, you can't slow down.

The guys don't want to stay in the car.

You missed it.

Yeah.

I told the guy comes around us and enters the wreck.

Well, you should have slowed down.

We did.

You know who didn't?

The 23 is exiting.

Oh man.

Exiting what?

Exiting a corner normally up against the wall and top.

We all are.

And then he started wrecking.

He said he was behind you.

He was behind us.

I know.

Dude, I'm watching it.

He was behind you, but he comes about the corner out to the wall.

You, you've got left.

He goes right.

We go left because there's a wreck.

I know, but the wrecks going down the track.

The problem is instead of lifting, it's fine.

If there's a wreck, you stagger.

You're not going to follow the guy through the wreck.

You're not going to try to.

The problem is this with the right foot.

Yeah.

That's the problem.

All right.

Do you not think so?

I don't, I don't know, man.

I don't, if he's wide open.

He goes back to like 98, 95 percent throttle.

Yeah.

And then hard break.

You've never gasped it up to try to get through a crash.

If you saw a hole, I don't think you gas it up.

Well, there's not really a hole there.

There's cars in front of him, no matter what.

Yeah, but he sees the wreck happening down.

He might not be looking at the 20.

I think you look the only time.

Great look at it right there.

The only time I try to throw it all out is when you see cars.

You're already kind of back a little bit right there.

You throw it up when you try to miss cars coming back down.

Right.

This is a great look at it right here.

What's the great look right?

This is a good look.

All right.

So he's behind us.

We see the wreck.

They're wrecking.

We go low.

He's full throttle and bam.

Yeah, he's just trying to go through it.

I just he sees the wreck down low and doesn't.

He Joey's spinning up in front of him is something he didn't anticipate.

No, I don't think well, nobody saw Joey coming back up there.

I just wish people would slow down more.

That's all right.

Well, big wreck though.

Yeah, it was.

Did you think that?

What could have been done for the wreck to have not happened at all?

I mean, yeah, you always think about that.

Like, yeah, SVG could have made the corner.

Yeah.

Like he used Josh up pretty hard.

Damn sure, did.

So and then Austin Hill just came along with the wrong time.

He probably like he said, even if Austin Hill isn't there,

do they don't they still run into the wall?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

I don't think so.

Just when I went back and looked at all the in cars, I think they make it.

SVG gets down because I think he gives them enough room.

I think Austin Hill probably drives both of them drives by both of them off the corner.

Yeah.

Well, what brothers tweeted out and said that the SVG had been kind of going at

Josh for a couple of laps.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah, here.

I thought I read that too.

Like he's in him like, oh, there's Joe.

Oh, this is on board.

But they're three wide.

I thought he doors him right there.

Go back.

Top one.

Go back.

Yeah, let's see this.

I need to see who's was somebody trying to dive on Josh right there though.

Yeah, I don't know.

But there was some contact that happened just before that.

So, but SVG gets by here.

Yeah.

Oh, he runs Josh up right here too.

Watch he hangs like a right right here.

Look at him.

Yeah.

Bam.

That's you're not making you're not getting the high side here.

Yeah.

Which I mean that happens.

And they went out there tie there.

It looks like the nice.

He's got all the leads covered.

Don't he?

Yeah.

I think apparently he's been listening to Ross.

I didn't see all this.

Yeah.

And that little swerve into three where Josh was going to get out there was like,

no, just the wall contact.

Interesting.

Hated it for Josh, though, too.

Well, old wood brothers keeping receipts there.

Speaking of wood brothers.

Yeah.

What about it?

It's on our sheet.

Josh Berry.

Yeah, Josh.

Oh, well, yeah, that is kind of old news.

Josh Berry and the wood brothers will part after the end of the season.

There's speculation about who might go into the 21.

Jesse Love is one of the names gets tossed around.

What do you think, TJ?

No, I've heard that.

You don't know.

You've heard different things from from Jesse Love.

I've also heard that Jesse, you know, might get in one of them other cars,

teammate cars as well.

So, but I don't think that's happening.

Oh, like switching them like put it, you know, somebody from the Pinsky camp

goes down to the 21 and yes, so Cendrick.

Yeah.

Oh, you're just making a selection.

Yeah, Polini has an extension.

Look at you.

And Lugano's not going.

So who else is looking to assume?

And you just said, making a selection.

Shouldn't have said, well, you're the one throwing it out there.

Like, let's send your fans your thoughts.

Yeah, say the name.

Hey, it's been, I think it's been pretty common now that I would say

I've heard that too.

That it's in Cendrick could be put down to the 21 and Jesse Love could go in the

two. I just don't think that's what happens.

I think that goes to the 21.

He has probably a year, two years there.

If he produces, then he gets, he gets to go.

This won't happen.

And I know they wouldn't.

But if I was the Wood Brothers, I'd be caught in RFK right now.

How much do you want the charter for?

But they, I mean, they're, they're not going to, but man, man, you could sell

one for a hundred right now.

Walk away a 100000000 easily.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I would be considering that.

Yeah, I think that their peak value is probably 150.

I'd be, I would be a little surprised if they go to, you know, in the 300, 400,

500 value range for not yet.

They're just the business model for motor sports in general.

It's not.

Yeah. Super profitable.

I'm curious to see what the first, like now that the after the lawsuit,

what the first charter goes for post.

It's still like if this is the deal.

So.

Running a race car.

And at the cup level is not a.

Mega profitable business.

You can do it.

You can, you can do it and break even.

You can do it and make a little bit of money in some, some years.

There's a 5000000 dollar profit, but there's just as easily a two or

3000000 dollar loss the following season, dependent upon how much you tear

up and all that and where you finish in points.

You're literally out there racing for the owner's points, purse and the race

purse and your success or lack of success will determine your final,

you know, profit or loss.

And so.

Running a business where you're spending tens of millions of dollars to operate.

It needs to be more profitable than just a couple million bucks for the charter

itself, the actual, uh, the actual franchise to truly gain that 300, 500

million dollar value.

They can get there.

It's going to take a lot of work to, to get to where race teams are more

profitable.

And then once that happens, everybody's going to want in, right?

And then when you have a lot of buyers, then the value of that charter goes up.

Right now you only have the people, the only people that really wanting

charters are the people that are already here.

Yeah, it's a handful of people.

Yeah.

You don't have a bunch of new people.

No.

And so.

And so, um, the business model of racing has it improved over the last decades.

It's always been this way and that's okay.

You know, it would be nice if it was super profitable.

Yeah, I'd love to be making a sh** out of money racing in a rally series, but

it's just not, not the way it works, but we knew that, but we race anyways.

You know, we race because we like to race.

Um, but so that's why I say that 100 to 150 million dollar values, probably

where it'll sit for a while until these teams can find a way to profit.

The, you know, the 10, the five to 10, 15 million dollars annually.

I get what I guess I'm saying is, is like, if the wood brothers did want to

get out, I have not heard they do.

And I don't think they do.

And I don't think they will.

I don't believe that they would be regretting that sell.

If they sold for a hundred and it, you know, maybe five years from now, they

could sell it for 150 million.

Does that really matter?

No, they're going to hold out for five years and they're probably going to

waste or spend that 50 million that they're going to probably make in waiting.

But I don't believe 10 years from now, we're going to go sh**.

They should have held onto it because now they're half a billion.

Yeah, that's, that's not making that jump.

Not at all.

But I could be wrong.

I mean, NFL teams like Washington in the 90s sold for 800 million and then

recently just sold for 6000000000

You know, I know NFL teams like the Panthers sold for two and a half billion.

Yeah, it's just not apples to apples though, comparing now.

Yeah, but you're, I'm just saying they have increased in value, but those

companies make hundreds of millions of dollars being NFL teams.

Yeah, they make money.

They make money.

Yeah.

Each year they're guaranteed to make.

NASCAR teams are not showing that.

We've seen the f**k.

We saw through the lawsuit what these teams lose and make.

Yeah.

It's not this big profit system.

No.

And until it's a big profitable business, the values of the charters are

going to stall at 100 to 150.

I would guess.

Wasn't the lawsuit to fix some of that though?

Yes.

The lawsuit was to get the charters permanent.

Permanent and the TV revenue is, I think is changing.

So a little bit, but you're still not guaranteed to make $10 million a year.

No.

The one thing that they wanted, they weren't trying to fix that.

I mean, they would have liked to have.

They were basically, they were more apt to lose money than they were to make money.

And so they did go after some more TV money to make their opportunity to break

even or profit somewhat better, better.

But the most important thing was the permanent charter, because if you're,

you know, there was this threat, though I knew it would probably never happen,

that the charters could just disappear.

And there was, there's this thing that you, you can't hold in your hand.

I guess you could.

If it was a, you know, you've got a charter.

What is a charter?

Is that it?

Is that your charter?

Here's a chart on piece of paper.

This piece of paper said I own a charter.

Yeah.

It's 25 to $50 million.

But if you give it to me permanently, now it's immediately $100 million.

Now every team wanted that.

Hell yes.

Right?

So they got it.

And that was really, really good that they, they were able to obtain that because,

you know, the charters, that was, I don't think it would have happened, but

that they absolutely could have lost the charter system itself could have been

thrown in the trash one day for a different idea or a different approach.

Oh, that'd be rough.

They, they would have been hard, hard to turn.

That would have been hard to reverse and get back out of, but.

Yeah, I don't know if they come back out of that.

The teams felt that threat for sure.

Well, I, I don't know what happens to Josh.

Barry, I don't, you know, the one thing that I was talking to somebody about this

week is like in the Cup series, you know, the silly seasons, not all that silly anymore.

Yeah, because it has to happen.

So, you know, in advance, and there's not a ton of options.

Yeah.

And a ton of rides out there.

Yeah, there's just not open, open stuff.

No.

And so, man, I thought if you want a cup race, dude, you were going to have, you

were at least guaranteed a career, right?

A 20 year career.

Well, you, you could run, you could milk that single win like, you know,

lost it.

No disrespect, but a lot of guys did in the 80s, 90s and so forth.

They went a race and Derek Cope, guys like that, man, dude, they, Greg Sacks, man,

they find rides, they'd find something every year.

They'd be in something, right?

And it's just not that way anymore.

Guy, there's not a lot of turnover.

There's not a lot of churn.

And so when you look at it, let's talk about it.

The 33 is open.

There's not a guarantee that it's an Austin Hill.

It doesn't sound like it's gonna be Jesse.

Doesn't sound like it's going to be Jesse.

But there's other reasons for that too, though.

It's not just that it's like, I think the sponsors, I don't think Jesse, I

think Jesse's age is part of that.

I feel like that there's, I haven't, I don't think this is real and I don't

even know that this is being contemplated.

Can't wait for this.

But Noah Gragson to the 33.

I've heard that rumor.

Because of the Bass Pro Shop connection, they love him.

Yeah.

They always have.

Yep.

And if that relationship is still as strong today with Bass Pro Shop and Noah,

because way back when Bass Pro Shop, the 19 was open, Bass Pro Shop was like,

hey, what about Noah?

And JGR was like, no, we're gonna do Briscoe.

And they were like, oh, all right, I guess we're doing Briscoe.

But so, I mean, there's that connection with Bass Pro Shop and Noah, and you

could bring Noah in there to the 33.

And he would be a good fit for that company.

I feel like him and also would be good to be.

Personality wise.

Yeah, I think he does.

But I don't know that RCR wants this.

That would open up the four where there's a potential that Josh goes there.

I know that before Josh got the Wood Brothers ride, there was, you

know, there was some conversation around front row as an option for him before.

There's a couple places that we're looking at.

A couple places that he's looking at.

Like the 33, there's no real opportunity.

Like, come on guys, what other cars are going to be available and open on the cup side?

I mean, we think McDowell's sticking around until Tristan.

JGR is not opening up.

Potentially Bowman, but if that's Bowman, it's Corey Day.

Or Zillich.

That's not going to be available.

Yeah, I mean, it's yeah.

So if maybe, I mean, this is getting down in the weeds, but if Zillich does depart,

does that open up?

There could be a seat there, but I mean, there's still not a ton.

I mean, you're getting pretty far down the line.

Yeah, I think whatever Josh ends up doing, it's going to be a surprise because I don't

think any of us have a good idea of on something that like makes sense.

I was surprised that he ended up at the Wood Brothers last year.

That was a that was a bit of a surprise to be honest with you.

I wouldn't have guessed that, but or not last year, the year before.

Year before, yeah.

But, you know, so it'll be interesting to see where he lands and maybe it could be on Saturday.

Maybe he could be racing back in the O'Reilly series.

Be great to have him back.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I hate it for him, but I just want to make a living driving race course.

He's really good at it.

And, you know, I think you need some veterans and the sport.

You know, it's weird, though, because it looked like when Josh won that Vegas race,

they were fast all year.

Yeah, they were like him and the crew chief.

I think it was Miles were clicking well.

They were fast all year this year.

I mean, Pinsky's not crushing it either.

This year it's been not good, but he's been the Fords are not good.

They've all kind of struggled.

He's kind of been back there with his teammates at Pinsky.

You know, Blaney's ran good at times.

Cendrick's done decent.

But I mean, Josh isn't like way out here on an island in terms of performance.

Like, what are you going to put in that car that's going to make it like automatically like, I don't know.

Well, that's the other thing.

I don't think that they I don't think there's anybody they put in that car where it runs better.

That's I. Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying right there.

Like, I think Josh, I think Josh is doing all we can do.

And I don't think you put someone else in there.

Just imagine you're not going to gain 15 spots.

Yeah. We the Cup Series versus other series, a rally truck or anything else is just a huge jump.

Big jump.

I mean, look at Zillich this year.

I just don't think that the chain I don't that's not, you know, wood brothers have every right to run their program.

However, they want to run it.

If they want to move on, try and try something different.

Absolutely.

I just don't know that and I don't know that they're look.

I don't know that they expect performance to like flip immediately with a driver change.

I don't think it does.

But hey, I will say this, too.

It was an hell of an opportunity for Josh to race for them.

They got a win in Vegas.

They had some moments where they showed speed and potential.

That the wood brothers had never shown.

Remember last year, all the laps led.

Yeah.

All that.

There were these statistics with them and Josh that they hadn't had in decades.

So, I mean, there was some some real good stuff there.

It's been a tough, tough year this year for a lot of different reasons.

But when they paired up with Josh last year, they were doing things they hadn't done in a really, really long time.

It tracks you didn't expect.

That's right.

Yeah.

And so this goes to like, I know I talked to you a little bit earlier, like

once you get in a hole right now the way this system is with the metric deal, like

this bothers me.

Yeah, it bothers me a lot that you can't you don't get a chance to get out of it.

You don't get a chance.

You're in the you're in the crappy practice group.

I don't know why they do that.

Like why don't they have just one practice that and why?

I don't know.

What do they have two groups for?

I don't know.

I really don't know.

Like I think you just don't get a chance.

You don't get that little shot in the arm.

Like you have a couple of bad races and might not even be your fault.

You're caught up in other people's stuff.

And then now you got to go out and run and, you know, this week will be a little bit different,

but it's a road course.

But like normally you go to another track, you're in the bad group.

You got to you're going to settle for hopefully a top maybe top 15, depending on where you go out.

I mean, this is how bad the track changes and the groups are and stuff.

And you don't really get a chance to dig back out.

And yeah, you do.

It's not easy.

No, they didn't talk about it on it.

Zane Smith, you were there.

Zane Smith's doing a pretty good job, isn't he?

Is he?

Did he say it himself?

It's hard to climb out.

It's hard.

I know.

It's not easy, but it's like not impossible.

It's not a possible, but when you're in, you're not, not everybody drives the 11 car.

Okay, but we've seen legacy getting out like drivers can go out there and get a good result.

I'm not saying you can't go to get a good result, but you can't.

It's harder for someone that's not a hundred car, a JGR car.

Welcome to professional sports.

It's hard.

Like, so we're going to, but you, but you don't have to make it easier for them.

Qualifying, look, qualifying is going to be the way it is.

Everybody has to go out there.

Everybody has to run one lap.

No problem.

And they could probably change the, the equation of how it, how it weighs to where, you know,

wherever you go out is more indicative of your points position.

Not so much how you ran last week.

Cause if you have a bad, if you're a great car and a great team and you have a night or a shitty day somewhere,

that shouldn't affect where you qualify the next week.

It should be more of a body of work where, you know, maybe it's more weighed toward where you are in the point system.

You know, and overall points as to how you qualify.

I do, I don't know why we run double two groups for practice.

I think they should just start practicing.

Everybody go out.

50 minutes, two sets of tires.

Follow me.

Yeah.

Go practice.

And that would alleviate some of this, you know, some of the, the, I think that that makes it really difficult on teams that go out in that first session.

And then the next group goes out on a race track.

That's a lot more similar to how you're going to race.

Like the first session really is just rubbering the thing in.

It is.

And they get their track, track changes so much because they start green and they rubber it, they rub it in or they start on a, a rally rubber, the truck rubber.

And they got to wear all that off because it's a different tire.

And then they put, you know, they get the track kind of prepped for group B.

Group B gets to go out there and go, okay, this is pretty close to how Sunday will be.

And they just run and get to work on their car better.

And the qualifying to race adjustments are a lot easier when you know,

100%.

You know,

so that to me is something that could change is get rid of the two groups practice because it does.

I don't know what other reason it has to be there,

but and qualifying could be more weighed toward your overall points position.

And that'll be what it is.

What it is, right?

I'm okay tweaking the formula.

I just don't think a random draw should be done.

Random is not a good idea.

I think random is better than we do now.

Random is not.

I'm not saying it's the right way.

Random is not good because that, that sucked, man.

You would.

Well, yeah, but it also helped you at times too.

Yeah, but I mean, you want it to be more consistent.

Like, hey, there's enough luck in the sport.

We don't need to add another.

Yeah, but I mean, you want it to be more consistent.

Like, hey, there's enough luck in the sport.

Another piece of luck.

I don't know that random, random would be fun for a fan or broadcaster.

Yes.

But when we're talking about like purity and performance and racers and how should it, how should it probably truly be done?

It should be weighed more toward like your points position.

Like you go out around cars that you're near.

That's right.

You're going to qualify around cars that you're, your points, you're competing with in points and...

I agree with that more than what we're doing now by far.

Yeah.

Like, way more.

You know, it's going to, the, the, it's going to be tougher for the guys that are way down in points, but you're down there because you're not fast.

You got to try to work on your s***.

But if you put together a couple of solid races, you're...

Yes.

Climb several points and you know, you move up.

I just think, I just think a DNF kicks you so far down.

Like you're in that, the jump...

The first in qualifying, so the other thing too is, is that we qualify right after we practice and I've done this in the rally series.

The race track is f***ing awful.

So you've practiced for an hour between the two groups.

Track's got a s*** ton of rubber on it.

The first 56 cars, all they do is go out there and slide all over the place pulling up all this rubber.

Yep.

And they make the track really nice and green for the 15th car, the 10th car.

Group two.

And as the practice, as the qualifying goes, the car, the track improves because it gets cleaner and cleaner and cleaner.

So it's just, it's just an advantage for...

It's naturally getting faster.

It's an advantage to go later.

I don't know how, you know, one thing they did at Bristol is right after practice, they sent paste trucks out there that ran.

They ran around that race track like 10, 20 laps.

Picked up some stuff.

And nobody was like, I was like, holy s***, that's nice.

And I was watching them.

I'm sitting there, one of the first cars to go out and qualify and I'm in my car and I'm watching the rubber get picked up by the paste trucks.

And I'm like, yeah, tell them keep going.

Keep going, that's nice.

Yeah.

Go faster.

Yeah.

And so the track was actually improved by that.

And you can see it, like the track changes color.

Yeah, and I ended up going out there.

I can't qualify for f***ing.

I qualified 15th.

Yeah, I remember that.

Going third or something.

Mm-hmm.

It was awesome.

I remember that.

Had the paste truck's not done that, I'd have qualified 25th.

Or worse.

There's just, there's just so much compounded on it.

Like you go out, you go out in the top five, you have a bad run, you get the tracks bad.

Then guess what?

You pick, you pick your pit, so you have a terrible pit.

You got, you can't bail out and get bailed out that way at all.

There's just so much stuff that stacks up.

They need to come up with, I wonder if they could come up with an apparatus that they could take around the race track for a couple of laps.

That could have, try to pick up a majority of the rubber that they've laid down.

Like track packers kind of?

Yeah, so if they had, yeah, if they had like this thing that had like two or three rows and it was like maybe 10 tires wide.

Tires, yeah.

Just old tires.

And it's like 10 tires, three rows deep.

And it's this long trailer of just tires.

Mm-hmm.

And you go out there and this thing just runs around the track about three or four times in the groove, right?

And just tries to get as much of that rubber up as it can.

Yeah.

That might, because I'm telling you, that's made a big difference at Bristol and I don't see them doing that everywhere.

Especially the larger tracks, they don't even do it.

They just end practice and send the first guy for qualifying out minutes later.

Yeah, 10 minutes.

And he's out there on that old rubbered up track, no grip.

And it doesn't drive anything like what he last remembers it either.

No, because he wasn't.

Yeah, track was green as sh** when he was out there.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

I just think there's too many things.

It's too big of a gap.

Yeah.

But...

All right.

Shout out to Legacy for their improvement over the last couple of weeks.

Two top 10 finishes this weekend at Pocono.

They've been gaining on it.

Jimmy and his team went the long way to get the where they're going, but they're making it...

Why do you say the long way?

Well, the rumor is, is that when Jimmy got a hold of this race team,

they could take all of the tools that Toyota has, Sim, and all of these things,

and use it, basically all the same stuff that JGR has.

But I think Jimmy and his groups decided to build their own Sim and build their own programs and build their own tools.

They get a lot of information from Toyota around arrow mapping and bodies and all of the wind tunnel stuff.

They get all of this great...

They get same information.

But the tools they use in-house, they wanted to build them themselves,

and that took a while for them to get up to speed.

I believe they're also paying JGR now for some information.

They may be.

They're doing it the right way.

It took a while to get here, but I believe this is sustainable.

You're saying there's a wrong way?

I think it's sustainable, what they're doing.

Yeah, it's good to see that about there.

This isn't a pop and a flash of just...

Because they've done that in the past.

No.

They'll show up and just be good for no damn reason.

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Chris, the crew chief for Denny Hamlin.

And we have celebrated Denny for a lot over the last several weeks.

And we'll celebrate him some more for another win at Pocono.

But a guy that I don't know that's getting a lot of credit and maybe he doesn't care.

He doesn't mind either way, but is Chris Gale the crew chief for Denny.

And he's here today.

So thank you, Chris, for coming on.

Congratulations on a hell of a run.

And, you know, there's a lot here, but one of the things that I find really interesting having been so close to the sport over the last several weeks,

obviously, I've tried to watch it and stay plugged in best I can.

But man, being on the broadcast team, you kind of get behind some closed doors and some conversations and you really get to hear about details.

The Toyota has done a great job.

The Toyota company group, all of them have done a good job of coming together and developing an incredible car and a great engine package.

It's whatever the road map's been over the last couple of years.

It's been a smart one because y'all are above and beyond the other manufacturers.

But aside from that, you have extracted more speed out of your particular Toyota than the other teams.

Or you found something between you and your driver that seems to really, really match well with what this car needs, particularly late in the race.

I'm fascinated by that.

Denny has talked about, man, my restarts need to get better.

We watch the times.

We watch practice.

We see he doesn't really fire off and throw a lap down.

The 45's faster most often.

The 20 might be faster.

Even competitors will say that Denny ain't the quickest car on the racetrack.

But man, at lap 10, 20, 30, he is.

He's the best car on the racetrack in the long run.

I know you're keeping all this close to your vest, but how are you guys able to do this?

I know Denny's a big part of that and he works really hard at his craft.

But speak to the way that you've been able to stand out amongst your peers in the Toyota camp.

Well, I think that you're spot on with that, right?

So like, I think it was around Vegas last year, right?

Where Denny hadn't quite run well at Vegas.

And we kind of, I don't want to say stumbled across something.

We were doing something at some other racetracks at Intermediates that we thought, this might not apply to Vegas.

You know, it's a little rough.

There are a lot of things going on here that are different than other racetracks.

And we kind of took a chance on exploiting some of that there.

And honestly, it worked better than we thought, right?

We were really strong at the end of that race.

And we've kind of just taken that base package and exploited that at more and more racetracks with the Intermediate package.

And I think that, you know, Denny already had the natural strength to where he was better on the long run, right?

Than the short run.

He knows to take care of his tires.

He tries not to push it on the front side with anything that's going to hurt him on the backside of the run.

So if anything, like you alluded to, we've almost over the last few weeks needed to work on restarts.

And I think you've seen a little bit of that here lately.

Now, some of that is maybe there's a very small contribution to car balance.

You know, if you want to be really good in the long run, it's no secret that the next gen cars wind up going loose, right?

Air pressures build.

Diffuser comes up higher at the end of the runs.

So we could affect that a little bit.

But I think some of it's a conscious effort on Denny's part on the restarts with car placement and what he's doing there and then aggression level.

But definitely we've exploited a few things that, you know, we didn't think we're going to necessarily work out well or we were skeptical about it.

It's turned out better than we thought.

And we've been able to just bring it to more and more racetracks.

The Chevrolet's have a new body that they've been working on.

They seem to be extracting a little more pace out of their cars.

They still, you know, they still struggle over the course of the run, but they are getting there.

You know, that's the thing about this sport that's so fascinating is the ebb and flow of competition and organizations.

You know, how do you guys continue to drive yourself to keep that advantage?

You know that this is a long play here and you have the chase coming up.

You're in a really, really good spot points wise, but you know when it comes down to those final 10 races, that gap's closing a little bit with the Chevrolet's.

How do you motivate your team to continue to build performance?

Yeah, I mean, personally, I think it's simple, right?

Like we've, those guys are really coming in with a new car and having to do a lot more experimenting and trying to find things, right?

We have had the same body for a while now, right?

To where we've really refined and know what we're kind of going after.

I think for us, we've got to not get complacent in that, not get happy with where we are, but I think we have a group of people around us.

The 11 team, Toyota, JGR as a whole, who still are willing to try things that might be on the fringes.

I just alluded to a, you know, a Vegas setup thing that we tried last year when we were running pretty well.

We could have not done that, but you're trying to think forward, right?

Okay, what's the next step?

How do we still continue to get better?

And with the next gen car, right?

You're not going to typically find the one trick that you're going to be able to get away with anymore, right?

I think those days are gone.

I mean, it's, it's making the wheel a little rounder in every area, right?

And I think that's the part where you're so, you know, the car so well, you know, the system so well that now you can just keep implementing those little changes to like, okay, now we can get a couple percent better here, a couple percent better in this area, and you just stack them.

And I think that's what this racing is all about now with next gen with spec cars with, you know, all these things that are parts that aren't in your control anymore.

It's how can I take these parts and how can I collectively put them together to get the most out of them?

Yeah, that's very fascinating.

You mentioned how the racing has changed and how the, how the NASCAR at the cup level has changed.

And I don't want to use F1 as a comparison or, or, or, you know, say that I don't want to speak too much F1 around our sport, but it really is trending in that direction.

I think that Toyota has done this amazing job of collaboration among teams.

I know that legacy went the long way around to get what they needed and they wanted to create some of their own tools.

But I also know, speaking with some representatives from Toyota, that the collaboration in the Toyota group among all cars is better.

It's just better than what Chevrolet and what Ford's doing.

And that's hard to, that's hard to get everyone to buy in, right?

It's hard to get all crew chiefs, car owners, everyone, engineers, everyone to sort of be on the same page, even in the same building.

Much less other organizations trying to stay on the same page together.

How, how important is that to the success you are having and that you're seeing legacies find their speed finally?

That's a real thing.

That's not like a pop off, you know, one off.

And how, how are you, how, how, what's the messaging to sell to all of the Toyota teams that we all need to continue to collaborate so that we, you know,

we're the ones out there winning these races and not allowing the other manufacturers to figure this out and catch us.

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, it's hard for me to speak to what other teams are doing, right?

I've grown up in the Toyota family.

I've grown up here at JGR since 2002.

So as soon as Toyota was involved in the sport, you know, I've pretty much only seen that side.

I've seen a small, you know, sample size of how Chevrolet was at that time when we were kind of the third tier team and how those tiers kind of worked.

But when Toyota came over, right, it was always going to be this one team approach across all of their cars, which started off as JGR, then Michael Waldtrip.

And I think as that ended and as Toyota got more and more involved with bringing teams, other teams back in, it's always been about, you know, the rising tide helps all boats float higher.

And then we've kind of taken that approach where if we, you know, put aside some of our individual preferences and say, what's better for the collective group?

How do we communicate amongst all of us so that we're not wasting time, you know, aero program wise, we're not splitting in different directions, doing totally different things with one group versus another.

And there's more of a unified approach, you know, I think that that's what helps everything.

You know, just do that from the car side, from the engine arrow side, where you don't get off on these tangents that maybe don't make sense to the direction you're going.

Eventually, you know, maybe there's a good idea out there on a tangent somewhere, but it's so different than the direction we were already going that it doesn't help you get to the end goal faster, right?

So I think it's kind of like pulling the rope in one direction.

If you get everybody on board and we're pulling this direction, even if it's not 100% right, you get so many people on board that eventually you get there faster, right?

And I think that that's exactly what happens with the Toyota approach here.

I got a question for you.

So I feel like every time we get to this part of the year, Denny's usually pretty strong and we're all kind of thinking, you know, is this the year?

Is this Denny's year finally?

Is he going to get the championship?

Is there a different approach that, you know, that you think plan on taking or will take or think Denny needs to take to, you know, for this to be the year to get the championship?

You know, I think that this playoff format, this point system fits him well.

I agree.

I don't think that there needs to be a different approach.

I'm of the opinion, you know, we can look forward and talk about all kinds of possibilities and how we should do this.

I take it one race at a time.

You know what I mean?

That is what has got us to this point.

One win at a time, one race at a time, one practice session.

Okay. How do we just optimize the next one?

How do we do that better?

I think that, you know, that has served us well in the short span that I've been as crew chief.

I don't see a reason to change that to this point now.

And I think that just knowing, you know, he's had, right, I think I saw a stat.

He's one of three drivers who has more wins than DNFs.

You know, I think that he's very aware of how to race and how to be, you know, race savvy.

And I think that all that, if we just worry about bringing good cars, the strategy about the race in front of us and don't get ahead of our skis, that that's what's going to get us there.

Yeah. You can only control what you control.

Correct.

You're, you guys done a great job over the last couple of weeks closing the gap to Tyler Reddick for the points lead.

And it's really that one win difference.

Tyler with five, you guys before that separates you at 19 points for the most part.

You go into a couple of road courses.

Denny will publicly downplay his excitement around those events.

But I know behind closed doors, he's probably very, very devoted and working extremely hard to try to perform as well as he can.

Reddick is pretty solid at the road course races.

What this is such a unique event that we're going into at San Diego.

And if we look back at anything that we've ever done that's new, particularly Chicago street course, anytime we try anything new, it's chaos.

It is.

And it's going to be just, there is so many things waiting for us at San Diego that we're not even aware of that are going to be problematic.

And Denny will be an advantage to you guys because of his approach and his, his, his sturdy and steady approach to things.

You know, how do you, how, how's your confidence level?

I suppose going into these next two events, he's actually had a couple of solid days out at Sonoma where he's where he showed speed and been capable of winning that race.

How do you guys continue to carry this momentum forward going into a couple of road courses, knowing how important trying to be able to, you know, claim that points lead is.

Yeah, I agree with you on the San Diego thing.

I don't think any of us know exactly what, what to fully expect, right?

We, we can run all the simulator laps we want to run, which is a guess on grip level and everything that's going to happen.

It's, it's your, it's a simulation and it's probably as far off as it's ever been when you don't have a actual racetrack to correlate it to.

I think it's going to be complete chaos.

I think the tracks going to get blocked. I think there's going to be a lot of stuff like that.

And I think that Denny is very aware of, okay, I probably don't have the outright speed to go beat Tyler Reddick here.

But what I can do is avoid trouble all day.

I can, you know, not get myself into some situation where I'm putting toe links on this thing because I'm getting myself above, driving above my capabilities, you know, at this.

And I think that that's what we're really focused on these next two is just trying to not bleed points, get the best finish we can maximize our day, you know, which I know sounds cliche, but, you know, at a place where it's not necessarily your strength, I don't know what else to do specifically when you're going into it.

It's going to be an unknown weekend and a chaotic weekend. You know, I think that it's going to be that simple for us, you know, Sonoma, I feel like we haven't brought the best car.

And to be quite honest with you, we've had cars that have run good there, right, like the 20 and the 19 were really strong last year and we'll probably lean on those two guys and, and, you know, pick pocket there set up a little more and then just kind of tune on it for Denny and take that approach to a place like Sonoma.

But I don't know that, you know, San Diego is necessarily anybody's going to know for sure you just adapt after practice once we can kind of tune in things a little better.

Denny has, you know, a habit of having a light bulb moment in the middle of the night and jumping on sim in the morning or, you know, and he's not afraid to try to apply this sim.

I was just talking to some SVG, for example, he's not a big, big sim guy, he'll race on iRacing at home, but he doesn't really get to the manufacturer sim too often.

So everybody, we've seen it, every driver is across the board unique on how they trust or apply the sim, but it seems to be Denny's very open minded to having it be a benefit to him.

How much, sometime, have you, have you been spending with him in preparing for San Diego?

I know running a lap there, just doing two hours you might get 15 laps.

Yeah.

But how much work have you guys done in the sim?

Yeah, I mean, we're probably two sessions in, which is about, call it three hours total, just over three hours total, which, like you said, we're only just over 100 laps right around that to this point.

We'll have a big session Wednesday where we'll probably do at least another 100 laps, more like an hour and a half, three hours, right?

But you kind of take it in steps, particularly with a new track, right?

Where, you know, maybe grip levels up and he's just learning the track, right?

How does he get his rhythm?

It takes a lot longer at a road course to kind of get where he's good enough, where he's kind of conditioned enough to where now I can throw changes at and he can actually tell something other than he's just getting better with reps each lap.

Yeah.

So I think that's the harder part on the road course.

And then you alluded to it, right?

We're going to be, we think, just over two minute laps or whatever.

I mean, a 50 minute practice session, we get cautions in it.

What are these guys going to get?

12 to 15 laps?

Maximum.

Maybe, maybe.

Probably.

We got more tires too.

Yeah.

Way more tires, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, we got three sets of tires.

I don't know why.

Well, there's no way you're going to have time to put three sets of tires on this thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're going to be learning at the start of the race still.

And so, I mean, Sim is kind of what you've got.

And to be quite honest with you, Denny's done a great job of embracing Sim for what it is, right?

It's not perfect.

It's for sure imperfect.

You know, it's not perfect.

And it's tires.

All these things that you tweak to make the Sim better that make it useful.

And so really, it's the process of how you use it and what can you glean out of it?

It's not going to be 100%, but there's going to be something you pick out of it that does apply.

And how do you do that?

And I think Denny's been very open to doing that, you know, and it just shows his leadership,

you know, at JGR, you know, with some of the other drivers and how he's been willing to adapt

and do things differently that keeps giving him an advantage.

Yeah, I agree with that, man.

I appreciate you talking about that a little bit.

And because I do, I feel like that some guys just write the Sim off.

And I know it's, I know that they feel like, man, I get in the Sim and I, I feel like I'm hurting myself.

I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm taking myself backwards.

But to your point, if you, if you apply a certain approach to the Sim, there's some things to be learned.

Yeah, you're, he's spot on.

And Denny, right?

Denny should help, you know, part of this is the driver should help you get better at doing it.

What, what does he know?

He knows the feel.

To make it better.

Yeah, correct.

So his feedback drives the development path that we make with the Sim.

Yeah, I agree.

I thought Chicago was hard to learn on the Sim.

Then I went and ran this place.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

I know.

It's going to be something.

It's going to be.

Well, good luck.

I really appreciate your time today.

You know, we've had a lot of opportunities to talk to Denny and I've been thinking a lot about you over the last couple of weeks and how much of a role you've played in the success of this race team.

And great to get you on here and to talk to you a little bit about that.

And we'll see you out in San Diego.

It's going to be a lot of fun chaos, but it should be a good time.

Absolutely.

It'll be something new.

It'll be enjoyable.

Right.

Absolutely.

All right, buddy.

We'll see you.

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Russell is busy, I suppose.

He can't predict the road course.

Yeah.

He doesn't want to come around.

No, he doesn't want to get shown up this week.

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There's no lines yet, but SVG is the favorite.

And that's the question.

It's like, you know, just how badly is SVG going to beat these guys?

Anytime we go to a road course that no one has been on,

it exaggerates his advantage.

Like he's just going to be miles better than all these other drivers.

It takes him back to Chicago.

Oh, man, he's just going to destroy the field.

They're just going to have to hope that something about that car fails.

Something.

I don't see him making mistakes and crashing or doing anything like that.

There's going to have to be a failure of some sort.

He can run to 9 out of 10 at this place and still be.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, this is his back.

I mean, it's what he does.

A name that I didn't put on here.

Just remember it is project 91, which is where SVG started is back with Kevin

Magnuson, the F1 driver.

Yeah, but I don't think that he's going to be like what the typical ringers used

to do coming in kind of be good, but, or do we think that he can actually like top 10?

Top 10.

I think you can top 10 it.

I think SVG has got them cars dialed in really good.

Now he's just got to figure the car out, but he's a race car driver.

He'll figure it out.

Yeah.

Cause that's when they're also you've got all of SGG's information.

So his setups probably going to be, you know,

it's definitely shown his input and how he's learned this car and what he needs.

And it's definitely shown.

I mean, we've seen it.

So SGG has done a great job of picking that program up.

I think on the road course stuff.

Who else do we think could honestly,

I think Zillich, but I mean, he's going to, he's going to be against the odds to begin with,

but he should have enough raw speed.

I think it starts showing at Kota and stuff.

You saw some, you know, you could see some speed out of him.

I think he could ever, I think Connor could really have a good run.

He could have a good West coast trip.

If he runs good at San Diego, he'll carry that momentum into Sonoma.

I got some average finishes over the road courses with the next gen.

Shane obviously stands out among the field with 14 starts with an average

of 6.7.

Buscher is next, just barely edging out Tyler Redick.

So I like Tyler Redick a lot to go out there and perform.

I think he's under a little bit of pressure having his points lead dwindle down to 19

over his over Denny.

And I think he sees this as an opportunity for two weeks in a row at San Diego and Sonoma

to build back on that points lead.

He knows he's probably going to have to be able to keep it for the remainder of the regular season.

I know we're not supposed to save regular season.

That's what it is.

What it is, what it is.

Um, Buscher, I mean, I think he'll have a top 10.

He's a top 10 guy.

Let's put Buscher down for a top 10 on our Parley.

The driver I thought would have had a top 10, but I'm not so sure now is Christopher Bell.

Yeah.

Well, it'll be tough for him.

He's going to be very uncomfortable.

Um, the other driver that I like and he's down this list of ways is Ty Gibbs.

Uh, just really impressed with his speed at the road courses.

He had a good run last year at a couple of road courses.

Um, and so I, you know, we went to Mexico city, for example, which was kind of a course that

not a lot of us have a ton of experience at.

Not a lot of our guys have had many, many miles at and he went out there and ran really well.

So I like Redick.

I like Ty Gibbs.

And I like McDowell.

Uh, you know, and AJ, when you think about, you know, why SVG is going to be at a huge

advantage over the field because none of these guys have seen this place.

And if you take him and the rest of the field to attract, they've never seen, he's going

to hit it and adapt to it quickly and just be faster all weekend.

You're never going to be able to match him.

We have other road course specialists in the field that I also believe will have that same

advantage and that's guys like McDowell and AJ.

I know we talk about AJ a lot, but McDowell's a road course racer.

Yeah.

Um, and so, and he had a great run at Watkins Glen, uh, Spires on the uptick.

Wouldn't be surprised to see.

I like Suarez.

You like Suarez too?

I agree.

I do.

I like Suarez there.

Yeah.

Well, he's good at, he just, he's just good at these things.

He's good at grinding them out like this.

Yeah.

Let's talk about our top 10 parlay.

So I want to put Tyler Reddick.

I want to put Ty Gibbs, McDowell and Almanninger all in the same parlay to top 10 this.

Let's do it.

All right.

We ain't working next week.

If you, if this one hits, we know SVG is going to be in there.

Might as well throw them in there.

I probably won't move the line much, but we are predicting half of the top 10.

If you bet this, whoa, thank God, this in a way and it hits vacations.

Going to be sweet.

So let's go Tyler Reddick, Ty Gibbs, Almanninger, McDowell, those four.

Why not?

No, I'm saying I like it.

That's why I, um, I like Suarez over McDowell, but I'm, I still roll with it.

Well, you know, I'm with, I'm good with that too.

I'm going to pull McDowell and slide Suarez in there, but I'm almost, I'm going to go

with McDowell because of what I saw at the Glen.

Yeah, there's not, he did run good there.

I agree.

Yeah.

I just feel like we're, you know, I feel like at this place there's going to be some,

there'll be some anomalies.

There'll be some cars that absolutely nail the setup and there'll be guys that run good

that shouldn't.

I think back to the first race at Chicago street course and it was a homeboy in the

seven or no, he was right.

He was racing for a colleague, Justin Haley, Justin Haley.

Remember SVG had to pass his ass for the lead.

Yeah, he was running good.

Yeah.

So I mean, there'll be one of those guys, a weird caution.

Yeah.

Well, also this, the, the, to nail the setup, somebody's going to like accidentally nail

the setup.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

And it'll be, there'll be a name in that top 10 and you'll be like, dang, like a tie,

tie Dylan or something.

Chicago did have that because you had Joey Hand was up there as well.

I was like, dang, where's he, where'd he come from?

And two, yeah, the strategy will vary.

I think, you know, I think the length of the track, there'll be some things that might

happen.

Weird time cautions.

We might end up learning that the, they just absolutely can't pass.

So, and there'll be a bunch of people getting junked, like getting down into turn two and

like that.

There'll be some junk ass race cars that may happen to one of our guys that were betting

for the top 10.

But I think they'll, I think there'll be a larger amount of attrition, you know, bent

toe links like that car slapped up against the concrete.

And I think that the, you know, there'll be more problems with that going.

But, you know, we'll just have to see the, in the O'Reilly series, we got to talk about

this one because there's no Connor Zillich and there's no SVG.

All right.

So, we've got a little driver list printed.

So, let's look at this list and talk about who could come out here and surprise because

SVG and Connor's not in the race.

They're going to both be racing at Sonoma next weekend for Junior Motorsports or the weekend

after, I'm sorry.

So, who is your favorite to, to go into San Diego out of the O'Reilly series?

A guy that I think I want to put on my list.

I don't know if, it's Sam Mayer.

I think Sam Mayer is a tenacious little road course racer.

Yep.

He's got some good momentum from Pocono.

Carson Quaple is a solid little road course racer as well.

Going on down the list here.

Yeah, Justin will be tough as usual.

Brent Cruz will be very tough.

Brent Cruz is probably maybe my favorite because this guy's run a lot of TransAm, I believe.

He has a lot of road course training, experience, laps.

I feel like that he'll be a tough one to compete with.

Let's see.

I'd say Austin Green.

Austin Green will top ten it with that car.

Yeah, I like Austin Green.

Yeah, he'll just make no mistakes and go out there and do it.

All right, so I'm going to probably put Brent Cruz at the top of the list to go out there and be the favorite to win the race.

And behind him is going to be Justin Algar, Sam Mayer, maybe Carson Quaple, and also late in the race, Austin Hill.

Austin Hill, this guy, he'll qualify eighth, tenth, something like that, but he is a grinder.

He is.

And you're going to have that late stage caution restart with five to go and he'll be lined up in row two.

You'll be like, where's his ass been all day?

You know, because he'll be running seventh and eighth all day long.

Yeah, and he's usually not the one getting pushed out of the way.

He's the one doing the push.

He's the bowling ball.

He is the bowling ball late in the race, not the bowling pin.

And it's either, it's either, yeah, yeah, it's either be the bowling ball, pins.

There's no middle ground late in those races.

So that race is going to be chaos.

I think the truck race will as well.

Honestly, I think the rally race will probably be the one with the most chaos.

Don't you?

For what reason, the truckers, I don't know that they're, I mean, they'll have their share of mistakes.

I feel like they get spread out a little bit more.

They get a little more distance between them.

Yeah, the rally cars.

There's a little less parody in the truck series.

Yeah, I agree.

The rally cars, you'll have a good little group.

There's a lot of good road course racers in okay, decent cars in the rally series.

This is going to make that top 15 tight.

Yeah, Brent Cruz is our favorite.

I agree.

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And let's get to the questions.

So I think there's two popular questions.

Number one is who is Jimmy Jam?

Jimmy Jam.

So Jimmy Johnson, for when, you know, I've known Jimmy since he started racing in the rally series.

He drove the Kingsford number 59 at St. Louis.

And he, um, we've been friends all through the years, and he always got accused of being too vanilla.

And he raced for Rick Hendrick, and they were buttoned up and proper and polished.

And Jimmy would never really show his personality or people thought that, you know, his personality was super vanilla.

But I knew it wasn't. I've been around him.

He's a wild man, like to party, like to raise hail, but he just didn't like to share that with people.

And I don't know that Lowe's appreciated him doing that either.

I'm not really sure what his reasoning behind kind of keeping his personal life or his true personality is so suppressed.

But we used to joke, and he told me this.

He goes, man, when I go party and raise hail, that's Jimmy Jam.

You know, otherwise, I'm Jimmy Johnson.

And so we would joke with him like, hey, man, let's go.

We're going to go do this thing.

Are we going to see Jimmy Jam?

And he's like, yeah, Jimmy Jam's going to come out.

And he's, we, I went golfing with him one time and we're on the golf course and we were playing through a couple of holes and we get toward the end and he's like, hey, man,

if you want a mulligan, all we got to do is shotgun a beer.

And so, you know, three holes later, we're all, you know, we're all in bad shape because we kept on, you know, shotgun and beers from Mulligans.

And he broke his arms, you know, way back in the day because he was on top of golf, cart surfing.

I mean, this guy's a ton of fun.

He is.

Yeah, he, I could go on and on.

Well, he had this viral moment just recently, a couple of days ago.

He was at the 24 hours of Le Mans.

He was having a great time and apparently, you know, got roped into an interview that he did while he was on another planet.

My man was raising hell.

And so he must have been going all day to, you know, that's, that's, that's that, that Jimmy sounded like the Jimmy that had been going all day.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

That wasn't just a couple of pops.

No, that wasn't just an evening.

Yeah.

But good for him, man.

That was awesome.

And I was telling, I'm like, dude, and he's so like, I'll be honest, like he doesn't mind us talking about that.

He doesn't prefer it and he wished that it wouldn't have happened.

And he doesn't like, you won't get him like, you won't catch him sort of like laughing about it.

You know what I'm saying?

But I've told him a thousand times.

I'm like, dude, I told him in the text message.

I said, if you'd have done that 2002, I wouldn't never won a most popular driver award.

You would have won it.

I was like, if you could have shown that side of yourself back when you were winning all those damn races and people would have known this dude's a good time and not stiff.

Things would have been a whole lot different.

But, you know, that's who that's who he is.

That guy's that's that's Jimmy.

That's the Jimmy.

I know he's a lot of fun and.

It's kind of like Derritator with the Yankees.

Is that right?

Like, you had this image upheld and you know, that's right.

You didn't really see him doing anything wild.

But you knew that he had fun.

I remember the first time that you took me to Jimmy's house because he lived next to Jimmy Elwich.

Yeah, we went over there and dude, super fun.

Like, yeah, well, you're right.

If people would have saw that side of Jimmy then.

Yeah, he's awesome.

And, you know, and I know he these days he's got a company to run and an image to uphold and I don't think that he did anything to to to, you know, to change anybody's opinion about him.

If anything, people just see he's a human being and having a good time while he's out there.

So all good.

And yeah, we're going to work together a little bit on the TNT side of things.

We got our TNT five races coming up starting in Sonoma.

We're in this text message and we've been giving Jimmy a hard time over there over the last couple of days.

And that conversation or that video, it might come up during our five race series with TNT.

We might have to ask Jimmy's, you know, on there exactly what was going on.

But anyways, good stuff.

Everybody appreciates Jimmy just being a badass race car driver and a good dude.

I know that he he's introduced me to a whole bunch of I probably would never would have done or took in the time to do.

I learned how to ski through his through.

He encouraged me to, you know, go out to Aspen and I'm like, man, I don't want to ski.

I don't care about that.

I don't want to blow my knee out.

I'm not all into that.

Y'all go on and do it.

And he's like, nope, nope, you're coming.

You're doing it.

And it's been and now, you know, you know, we go skiing once a year, me and my family.

And so riding bikes and trying to, you know, trying to get in the shape and do do better there.

I rode 2400 miles in 2017 because of Jimmy.

I never would have rode one mile if it hadn't been for that guy.

Yeah.

And, you know, so he's just a great dude.

He's always in last year.

He took me the mirrors, the kinsis on this trip to Ireland and London.

And just, he's like, Hey, all set up.

We got it.

You know, y'all just come on, have fun.

And just a good dude.

Yeah.

Next question is people want to know how excited are you to be calling the race from an aircraft carrier?

That's real deal, man.

That's badass.

Yeah.

We're going to get on this aircraft carrier and we're going up in the tower and we're calling the race from the control tower.

And we can see some of the race track from where we're at.

So we'll be able to get the vibe.

I would hope so.

Well, I'm just saying like when we're, you know, I don't like not being able to see the race track.

I don't like that.

Yeah.

Flat, hard to see.

And so there's, and I just, not so much.

And I know we, there's been this conversation on for a long time now about being at the studio or at the track and all that.

I'm just saying I want to be there to feel the energy of the event happening, right?

In real time.

And that feeds into the like Chicago.

Good time.

Yeah.

Well, Chicago wasn't because we were in a radio.

Oh, that's right.

I was in a no, the fuel event was good.

Last year I was in a rented.

It was a shipping container.

No.

And we were two blocks from the race track.

What looking at monitors?

Oh, that's right.

Yeah.

And I got, you know, Stephen?

Yeah.

So I told Stephen, I was like, Stephen, come and sit in this shipping container with us and there's a monitor over here on our right.

So we got the production in front of us, the real, what you're seeing on TV.

And over to our right, we had a big wall of like 12 monitors and they were just fixed monitors on all the turns.

And I was like, Stephen, you stare at those.

And if you see a car stopped or if you see anybody hit anything, I don't give a what you see.

You slap me in the arm and you tell me what it was.

And so I had, and I think I'm gonna try to get Stephen up in that, up in that aircraft carrier, but I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get him the access we need.

Might be a little tougher.

Because I don't like to miss, you know, I don't like to, there for a car and be sitting there for 15 seconds and does not know it.

Did you do a corner at Chicago the first year?

Yeah.

Radio style.

That's right.

Not my favorite.

We did radio style at Pocono.

I felt so terrible.

Like I felt like there's no way this can be good to listen to.

Oh my God.

I'm not a radio guy.

I'm just not cut out for it.

No.

Yeah.

But next questions, I forget who it was in the chat.

They want to know why don't we see more drivers become crew chiefs?

You want to know a funny story about radio style from Pocono?

Let's hear it.

So I'm in the tunnel at Pocono and I'm up on this perch just outside the turn.

And we're doing radio style.

Here they come coming at me for wide.

Whoa.

This guy's in the lead.

There they go.

And middle when the I had my bus there and at the when the race gets about halfway, my bus driver's like, all right, I'm out of here.

Complete race.

You're not spending the night.

I'm going home.

I'm going to leave early.

Bye.

My bus is pulling out of the racetrack and we're calling the race.

I'm like, here they come down the straightaway.

Two by two.

Oh, three wide into the tunnel.

Such a such taste of lead.

My bus driver drives out the tunnel and he had one of the there's the underneath bus at the bottom.

There's these doors and there's these storage areas.

One of those doors was open and he went through the tunnel and ripped the door off.

And so I'm calling the race and I turn around and watch him drive out with the door, the door dragging the ground behind him hanging on by one hinge.

Did you commentate that?

Yeah.

No, but he pulls over stops, gets out, walks around it and I'm sitting there calling the race, watching him looking at all that.

I'm like, God dang.

No.

And he was, he was so embarrassed.

I bet.

But I'm like, what's he going to do?

How's he going to?

I mean, there's in the storage unit now that it's exposed.

He's trying to leave.

He's got to figure it.

So he got a piece of plywood, cut it, screwed it in there and drove on to the next racetrack.

I had to go straight from there to the next race, but I'm sitting there in the middle of calling that radio style while that's happening.

Trying not to like lose it.

Yeah.

Was that the camper or the motor home?

Motor home.

Oh, that was a nice one.

Yeah.

Fifth wheels.

Nice.

But yeah, that camper was tough.

I was like, not right now.

Like we're right in the middle of this.

Yeah.

Back to the question.

Why don't we see drivers become crew chiefs?

Because they're not engineers.

What are you talking about?

They do.

I mean, you're literally talking to one.

Oh, haven't asked you that last week too.

Like, man, what's it like going back to your, your Pokemon win?

What?

Is that a real question?

Someone in the chat wanted to know.

Huh.

Well, I think TJ answered it though.

Why?

They're not like, they're not admitted.

Kyle Larson, like they don't know the, how to get the car set up and stuff.

They just know how to drive it.

Yeah.

Well, there's a lot of drivers.

There's a lot of drivers that do become crew chiefs.

You just never heard about them because they were drivers at their local racetrack and

they, they weren't given or provided the opportunity to, to advance their career.

And they had to make a decision to become an engineer, an eventual crew chief.

Um, so there's a lot of examples of guys.

If you went through the cup garage or the O'Reilly garage, I bet you would find 40% of the crew chiefs have driven race cars.

Oh, maybe more.

Right.

An ARCA.

You go to ARCA level.

Oh yeah.

A lot of them.

Yes.

So the other is the pop

out underneath somebody got turned around on a late restart.

But I remember the day where he, me and him had to sit down and I said,

I said, man, I said, I think you got to make a choice here to change your path.

And it was the hardest decision he ever had to make in his professional mind

to like give up on this dream.

But dude, look at him now.

He's a cup crew chief.

He became an engineer here.

He did.

I said, dude, I think that's what you need to do.

It's like you're going to take yourself out of this race car over here

that you're not going to ever drive again.

And you're going to go over there into an engineer room and

try to find your way toward the top as an engineer.

And he was like heartbroken to have to give up on his dream.

But there's, and that is a similar story for a lot of guys that are in, in that garage.

You just didn't know they drove.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

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Oh man.

Thunderstruck.

Once you hear that, it just, yeah.

I was a big Arturo Gotti fan.

Boxing.

Arturo was a blood and guts.

Easily cut.

But a lot of times look like he's out on his feet and, and punch hit a guy with a punch out of

nowhere and win the fight.

He got his ass kicked a bunch, a bunch as well.

He took a lot of hits.

He did.

But his walkout was Thunderstruck.

And so that's probably why that's my favorite.

Yeah, it's not bad.

It's good.

They got so many good ones though.

It's hard to.

The beginning of Thunderstruck is just cool.

No, it's the best.

Speaking of boxing, how big, how big is it?

Did you have like a favorite fight that you grew up watching?

Is anyone like stuck out or?

Ollie and Foreman is a great match that probably influenced my fandom.

Even though I was too young to see that in real time.

You know, Tyson.

So I was, I was really young when Tyson was doing what he was doing.

Yeah.

That was like the next Tyson fight was the most anticipated thing going.

Like it was, you couldn't wait to figure out when the next Tyson fight was going to be.

Who was it going to be against and how fast was he going to knock this guy out?

Yeah.

And there was a, there was a moment where, yeah, the next Tyson fight was the biggest thing

happening. It was like, must see everyone.

You wouldn't know what they were doing.

The biggest thing in sports.

I think you got like that with Mayweather too.

Like we, we couldn't wait to see who was going to fight him next.

A little, but it wasn't like.

The only thing with him was we wanted him to lose.

Well, because he was, we wanted Mike to keep winning.

Mike was like going to go box.

Floyd was like a tactician avoid, avoid the hits and stuff and just win.

He literally just avoided the hits.

Let the other guy wear him.

Which like, listen, that's, man, he was a counter.

He's, I mean, Floyd was amazing, but it wasn't as fun to like the Tyson run was insane.

And so, but I don't know that there's a Tyson fight that stands out to me.

I was too young to remember the Tyson stuff.

Yeah.

But if I fast forward to becoming a Gotti fan, so I would just happen to be

watching this boxing match and I think Gotti's was not even the God.

This was Gotti was undercard, undercard, not well known, but this one guy is just

whooping his ass six rounds, seven rounds in, Cotty's cut.

Oh, he always, he always got beat up back.

And this guy is just controlling the fight and out of nowhere, Gotti called him and laid him out.

And I was like, holy.

I like that guy.

All right, write him down.

Who is he?

Where does he fight next?

And so I started watching Gotti and then Gotti became a headliner or he was the undercard on a heavy weight

and he started becoming and they were, you know,

they were talking about him like, this is the guy's blood and guts.

He's defined, you know, he comes from behind and you never know when he's,

when he's never out of it, you know, and he would continue to win fights that way.

He would get the, he's just standing there.

He just getting destroyed and all of a sudden, you know, he just nails the guy with a right hook or

something.

He didn't get destroyed in your ring.

No, he did some destroy.

Yeah.

And so Arturo's trilogy with Mickey Ward is insane.

He won one, he won a few of those.

He lost a few of those, but in one of those matches, he breaks his hand.

So he hit, I think he's a left hook, which was one of his,

he used his left the most, whichever side it was.

It was like a big detriment, but he hits him on the,

on his, on his hip bone and broke his hand and he had broke that bone multiple times

in fights.

Keep going.

So he breaks this bone in like the round five, finishes the fight one handed and wins it.

And he got, he sat there for about two rounds, not throwing this hand.

And after a while, the adrenaline and the pain and all of that kind of goes away.

And he started fighting with the broken hand and throwing punches with it.

Stoots are nuts.

Yeah.

Dude, I'm telling you, when he, when those guys hit too, you don't realize how strong

they are until you hear him hitting person.

If they hit you once, we would be on the ground.

Yeah.

Oh, we've seen it.

Like it's, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, just a body blow and you're killed over.

Yeah.

So anyways, I've, I was a Triple G fan.

The thing about that is, is I'm all, you know,

I saw him once live.

You don't want to.

So the Triple G deal, I'm, I'm frustrated with it because I, I learned about him too late.

And that's the trick is like, look, you got a fun, stomach.

I love these guys.

The band that was nobody.

I like the guys that are knockout artists.

I want to watch a fight and I want the fight where I'm pulling forward to be the guy that

can lay them out.

And, and I came on the Triple G too late.

He was toward the end of his career.

He was such a knockout artist that no one would fight him.

So he didn't really ever get his shots.

Today was like mid 30s.

And then he was kind of starting to lose a little bit of his, his abilities.

I didn't watch.

And he fought Canelo multiple times and there was one Canelo fight that he arguably won.

But, and that's another thing, man, the freaking judges.

It's like, you got it.

You're going into some of these matches knowing that they're not going to call it straight.

And if your guy's going to win, he's going to have to knock them out because they're not

going to give him a decision.

Yeah.

He's not getting the, yeah.

Not going to do it.

I never watched him live, but I've gone down rabbit holes of Roy Jones Jr.

Yeah.

With his knockouts.

I remember him.

Yeah.

His, he was, had charisma.

He did.

His fights were anticipated as well, not on Tyson's level, but the Roy Jones run was

really fun because everybody was talking about him, you know, when you're in school and stuff.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I think that's a good place to stop for today.

Heck yeah, man.

It's a lot of fun.

Appreciate everybody tuning in.

Um, we, uh, we have a pretty good show for you today, a real good show.

Instead of Danny calling in as we usually have the winner of the race, we had Chris Gale,

his crew chief, um, talk to us and, and give us a little bit of insight into the success

that they've been having.

And I wanted to celebrate Chris because, you know, we've been promoting Danny and how much

he's been doing, but there's a, there's always a crew chief on top of the pit box

responsible for the speed in the car as well.

So, and I'm sure Danny appreciates that, but, uh, great show and hopefully y'all will tune

in when it comes out later today.

We got a great guest or two guests on tomorrow's guest segment that you don't want to miss.

And don't forget San Diego coming up this weekend.

San Diego, I predict chaos.

I just think it's just going to be a madhouse, uh, problematic issues, left and right cars,

stuck in barriers, all kinds of chaos going on at this racetrack.

If you haven't checked out any of the online clips, there's a lot of eye racing clips online

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We've never done anything like this.

Three and a half miles.

It's treacherous.

It's imperfect.

And we're just going to be pulling cars out of barriers all weekend.

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