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John Nunez
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spun
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John Hunter Nunez
John Hunter Nunez is the driver the host says got spun during the crash. They’re explaining that the other car’s contact and movement caused it.
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qualified six or seventh
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pole
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Road America
Road America is a famous race track in the U.S. The host is saying one of their best remembered results happened there.
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Michigan.
Damn it, Carson Hosevar.
Take him to his home track.
Hey, he wanted that bag.
He did.
He did.
That's fine.
He should, I mean.
I don't blame him.
So, this is what's funny, man.
When a driver wrecks somebody, a wreck causes a crash and you're in the booth and you're
like, you know, you get a couple replays, looks at it and you're like,
man, he caused that, but I'm trying to soften it.
Right?
But I gotta, I can't say he didn't do what he did.
Yeah.
He had practiced on the week before, so it was good.
You gotta soften it a little bit, but you can't not say what happened.
Right?
So, are you saying that, like, as you mentioned, that you wondered if Larson and Elliott would
help cause that?
Wait, look, I-
Yes or no?
Yeah.
Well, look.
So, the thing, the wreck happens on the front straightaway, Carson, multiple times
this year, we've seen somebody get spun out when you give them a push and you're moving
left or right.
Yeah.
If you make contact with a back bumper or car, you cannot be moving left or right.
You can't.
This car is out of control, getting pushes and you can't be moving around on the back
bumper of the guy in front of you.
You can't.
And-
It's like Nashville.
Yeah.
So, the thing happens and I'm trying to figure out how in the hell to soften this, right?
Cause it's just like, I'm like, well, maybe there was some team orders up there.
Why didn't they- why didn't the hand cars line up on the outside together or something?
You know why?
Why were they- why were they both on the front row?
Maybe they were some, you know, they do a Daytona Talladega where they're like, hey
man, I'm going to start beside you.
But I'm trying to like give Carson the benefit of the doubt and all he's got, his fan base
is getting big and they are vocal.
Like if you say Carson did something wrong, they're like, oh hell no, brother.
Carson don't do any wrong.
They was checking up.
They- they was this.
They was- that was, you know, John Nunez or Nemechek's fault.
You know, whatever.
They just- they don't, you know, it's so- it's interesting because, I'll be honest, man,
maybe- maybe have a little bit of a- maybe had a little bit of a soft spot in my heart
for all the broadcasters that were broadcasting when I was racing.
Cause when I was out there f***ing up, they had to call me out and there's no telling
the s*** that they got for it from my fans when they were like, oh no, Dale didn't do
that wrong.
No, he didn't mess up.
You got it wrong.
You're blind.
Um, so that was an interesting experience because as soon as, uh, we got done talking
about the crash and saying, well, it looks like a host of our turned when they- when
he contacts John Nunez, he also is moving down and that's what spun John Hunter Nunez
check.
It did.
Yeah.
And all his fans on social media were like, God dang, quit blaming him for that.
Quit blaming him for that.
That's- that's a f***.
What's his?
His fault?
I know dude, but his-
I know what you're saying.
His fan base is like oblivious to it.
Yeah, I agree.
They are- they are like not having it.
And I'm like, wow.
All right.
Well, so, you know, Carson, we got to talk to Carson and he basically said so.
He's like, hey, I was moving left and it spun him.
I hit him and wrecked him.
I hit him, spun him out.
He said this multiple times and, you know, the inside line wasn't checked up.
The outside line just got a better jump.
The inside line wasn't checking up.
Carson got a better jump.
Yeah.
Carson got a run.
Like he did.
Like he was trying to do.
He's trying to go three wide.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And he mistimed it.
And so, I mean, he owned exactly the right about of what happened when we talked to him
down at the post race.
He was like, yes, that's what- that's how it went down.
And I didn't mean to do it.
And so, you know, I- and then I told him, I'm like, I'm like, hey man, if he f***s up,
or- and if I believe that he f***s up, I'm going to tell y'all on a broadcast that I
think he f***s up.
And you can say whatever you want to say out there in social media land about my opinion.
I don't care.
That's fine.
You can tell me I'm wrong all day long.
But the other side of that is, and I was talking to him about this last night, I was like,
I don't want him to not f*** up.
I don't want him to stop doing this.
And I know you're not going to love this, TJ.
Well, it's fun until it's your car.
I know, but it ain't my car.
I know.
I don't have a- I don't have-
That's what I'm saying.
You don't mind it.
I don't have nobody out there.
Yeah, 100%.
And so, I'm a race fan in this moment, and a broadcaster, and that wreck on the front
straightaway as f***ing as it was for everybody involved was a big moment.
Oh, is it maybe?
And our races need those.
Badly.
I agree.
No, I agree 100%.
It just sucks when you're in it.
And if we don't have somebody or multiple guys out there willing to take the kind of
risks that might get themselves into some trouble every now and then, like, host of
our does, we're not going to like what we see, and our fans aren't either.
And you know, we're going to have- the only cautions we'll have will be the stage break
cautions, and we'll have guys winning races by 11 seconds every week.
I was thinking about this last night, and you know, Riley, this is your second year,
right?
Yep.
And you've been dealt an incredibly difficult hand, but I'm going to give you your flowers,
and people are going to run with this and take it and whatever Bub Wallace says, you
know.
Sucks.
Best teammate I've ever had.
And this isn't s**t on Riley or Tyler, best teammate I've ever had, because Riley's had
a lot of bad days, and you would never know it.
He's like, well, on to the next one.
And I'm like, I'm pissed off that he's not even there.
I'm like, I don't think he stopped smiling the whole time he's been sitting here.
So I-
That's him.
That track.
Yeah.
And so it's like-
Lance helped you.
Which way has that helped you?
Uh...
Not at all.
Not at all.
Not at all.
So he doesn't follow his s**t.
I'm like, you're doing it.
I just wish I could.
Yeah, so he's serving to love me.
Yeah, so he's slowly s**t again, and people have every right to break his balls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's incredible to see just how he can just let things go and focus on the next week
and try to be better.
And I mean, he could be doing whatever he wants.
And he's here with us, he's at the shop every day, busting his a**, trying to get better,
paying attention, and asking all the right questions.
And you see the improvement.
I mean, he came in to, when 23-11 is continuing to climb, here's a seat, rookie.
Figure it out.
Yeah, yeah.
It's so f***** hard, man.
We look at the 88.
It's so hard.
He won 10 races last year, right, 10 or 11?
It's fun twice in 10 laps yesterday.
I think he's had 10 DNS.
Like it's hard, no matter who you are.
It's so hard.
And so to see the efforts come through and to see the hard work pay off for a good kid,
it's really cool to see.
So I'm going to give you your flowers, dog.
F***** what everybody else says.
Thanks, Bubba.
Appreciate you driving.
And Ryan, why is Bubba the biggest f***** you've ever worked with?
No, he's not.
He's not.
He's not.
He's not.
It's hard.
He's worked.
F***** off.
I've worked with him for a long time.
No, I've appreciated working with Bubba and Tyler.
They've obviously been in this seat a long time and they know what comes with 39 weeks
when you're running the O'Reilly series and you're running 33 weeks.
You think, oh, what's six more?
Six is a lot more for some reason.
I don't, I don't understand.
More miles too.
Yeah, more miles.
Just to grind.
Yep.
And they've taken me under their wings and I appreciate the help that both of them have
given me, but especially Bubba and he likes to say my mindset's always right.
But I've actually learned quite a bit of my mindset from Bubba, so I appreciate that.
That's his problem.
Just about how to race people and the toughness of last year and the rookie season is extremely
difficult.
So, yeah, we're going to work hard and hopefully things continue to get better.
Do you do sim?
So, spot on, spot off.
Hey, as soon as we stopped running sim last year, we racked off a couple good finishes
and we won the brickyard.
That's a true story, actually.
Just saying.
Just saying.
But Tyler lives on it, right?
Yes.
And Riley does too.
Yeah.
Got a second home there.
Now, I'm a part of sim.
I do post-sim.
Okay.
Just make sure to tire and model and whatever I felt yesterday.
You want to make sure it's for next home, but you still, then you don't still do it
next time.
Bingo.
But it helps us.
Bubba, yeah.
Bubba likes to.
It helps us tremendously what he does the post.
I'm going to tell this story, like, I don't know, three or four weeks ago, we had a meeting
and there was some Navy SEALs in this meeting with us and they were just there to like,
you know, listen to the meeting and, you know, then they like, like, give their feedback
on listening to the meeting and how we could approve, like, we were, yeah, we were like,
yeah, going in the weekend, but they were just there to like, listen in and like, try
to help us improve how we do our meeting.
That room.
I go, this guy needs some idiot says, like, so they were talking about sim work and how
do you prepare without so much practice and Bubba's like, let me ask you guys, no, with
the straight face.
He's like, these are real Navy SEALs.
Real.
Real.
What?
What?
No, he's got it.
He wants you.
What is that?
Straight.
I straight face says, do you guys play Call of Duty before you go to war?
I was like, Daryl.
How would your time at chips come to an end?
So we ran three years and kind of more or less ran the same all three years.
Like I said, there was glimmers of good running and a chip always treated me great throughout
the whole time and never, never a bad time between myself and him other than we both
wanted to run better.
Yeah.
But I think, you know, any team that's not running well has that.
So, you know, we did get the pole at Indy, which was, I think we could have had two years
in a row with the same car, but I wrecked and I guess it was those six I wrecked.
Speaking of Jimmy, this and memory, I'll never forget this.
So you remember how I used to have the shift lights?
Yes.
So at Indy, we're doing our mock runs and we were already top five on the board.
I was a little tight.
It's a little.
So I come to three and four, hauling ass my shift light comes on like 15 car links earlier
than the lap I'd already posted.
I'm like, all right.
We're just gonna be bad ass.
Yeah.
Well, I went off in the one and just came out, backed it in to destroy the car.
Well he had let, if I remember correct, like two and a half pounds out of both left sides.
And I remember afterwards I'm like, damn it, Jimmy, I was like, I just needed a little
bit.
Yeah.
That's a bunch.
So we, the next year that was a place that we had to rebound and that's the year we got
the pole.
Yeah.
It's actually, I'm pretty sure it was the same car.
Yeah.
We wrecked that car a few times and it was still fast every time.
I don't understand that.
Still never will.
I know.
You always have those cars no matter how bad you treat them.
They're always good.
It was all, it was good for Casey too.
It got and beat up all through the years.
But going back to my time with Chip, we, you know, at the end of it, a lot of people don't
know I had an option to stay there for three more years and probably should have.
But I thought the decision I made to go to Gillettes was the right one.
That was supposed to be a three year deal as well and ended up being one.
But a lot of people don't know I had a chance to stay with Chip for three years.
And like I said, Chip always treated me extremely fair with everything.
You had options on the table and you, you decided to go a different route.
Correct.
Yeah.
And, and just with a, let's remember the Gillette, Evernham deal was promoted as this like, man,
this, this Gillette piece of the puzzle, they've got success in all these other things, right?
This is really going to take phrase deal to the next level.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it probably looked great.
Yeah.
And it was strictly from a performance side in my head because we had struggled for three
years at chips.
And like I said, it wasn't, I didn't think we had bad people or Chip didn't want to win.
Like it was nothing like that.
I was just like, this team seems to have maybe better potential to run.
Right.
So it was strictly a competitive mindset to make that choice, which, you know, ultimately
was maybe not the right one.
Yeah.
That team merges with Yates in 2010 and you were released.
How'd you, how'd you hear about the news?
When, how'd that go down?
Well, I knew it was happening the year before.
Yeah.
I mean, it was just the end of the year was a disaster.
I mean, they switched teams and they were going to shut down the team actually.
And I would have not finished that year off, but they, you know, basically didn't pay
me for portion of the year, but it kept all the guys employed.
So that was the main focus for me is, is to keep, keep everybody their job, at least
to the, to the end of the year.
So we finished out, but yeah, it was kind of the last third of the year.
Kind of a disaster, really.
Yeah.
Are you scrambling to try to figure out what to do next?
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, at this point, you know, you're, you're lost because it's like, I was just
here that we're here.
It's like, what do we do next?
Yeah.
And, you know, I didn't have really an idea what was going to happen next.
You know, and then as far as like good rides open and things like that, it's,
there wasn't a lot of options.
No.
So you end up sharing a rally ride with, uh, with, uh, Vickers at Braun.
Yes.
In 2010, um, you'd get, you'd eventually take over the entire season in that car,
having runner up finishes at Nashville gateway.
Um, and there's an opportunity for you to get to Red Bull.
Yeah.
With Jimmy as the crew chief, nonetheless.
Did you know that?
No.
Yeah.
So going back to the Braun thing, I was very appreciative from Todd Braun and I'd known
him for a while and that the opportunity he gave me, like that year in 2010 kind of
brought us, brought me back to like, I told you, we expected to be top 10 every week.
It brought that mentality back.
I know it's a series down, but it's still got your confidence back.
You know, I was racing against Carl Edwards and Keselowski and I'm like, I'm
right there with those guys.
Um, so I'm like, Hey, you know, I can still race with these guys and these guys
are winning on Sundays.
So that kind of, for me, was a booster and confidence where it was almost down in
the dumps.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'm sure you've been there before too, and it's, it's like, you
really start down everything about yourself, but that, that 2010 at Braun, you
know, it's like we finished, I don't know how many top 10s we had.
It was almost every week and, uh, that kind of helped reverse some of that.
And, um, yeah.
And then getting the opportunity to run the Red Bull car with Jimmy was a lot of fun.
Um, and they, you know, they were kind of up and down too, as far as, um, you know,
being competitive and whatnot, but we had some, we had some good runs.
Uh, I remember Charlotte, there was one of our, one of our really good ones.
And, um, we qualified six or seventh, but I remember I had, I nailed one and two
and screwed up three and four.
Otherwise we probably could have the pole, but I messed up three and four.
But yeah, Jimmy was fun to work with.
He actually helped get me into that car.
Um, and that was fun.
It kind of like rejuvenated me on, you know, I was running good in the, in the
Braun car and then got to run that one as well.
We continued to race in the rally series, uh, Turner motorsports would acquire
Braun racing, they'd switched to Chevrolets.
You ran full time with them in 2011.
Uh, the $32 general car that we all remember really well, one at road America,
back to victory lane, several top five finishes leading the points with five
races to go in the season, your third and points, uh, Turner's going to announce
you no longer are driving the car.
That wasn't good.
How'd that happen?
You know, from what I was told, he, uh, and he, you know, passed away.
So I can't speak of what he has said or didn't, um, he didn't like something I
said about the car at some point, it not being good.
Um, but if you could go back to talk to yourself during that year in 2011, what
would you tell yourself?
Well, I don't know because do you think there's things that you did that you
shouldn't have done or said, I want to start back at the beginning of that year.
So Trent Owens is a crew chief and he's rock star.
Yep.
And he's still crew chief.
Yes.
He's on the 16th.
That's right.
I talked to him this week, but I put so much effort into that season because
it was like, this is my chance to win a championship.
And I was, you know, the shop was just right over here and I was there every day.
Um, and, you know, Trent was excellent and, um, him and I got along.
We tried to hire him here.
Did you?
Yeah.
And right around the same time.
For whatever reason, he's a super calm guy and he understood for me, like he
understood what I wanted out of the car.
And we ran so good the year before, like we were prepared for 2011 to have a
shot at the championship, which we did.
So I had the same guys as I had had the year before.
Great group of guys and, uh, you know, even all of them, when that happened,
we're like, what the hell?
Like all my, all my guys I was with every week.
Um, it was very peculiar.
Uh, I, I still do this day.
Don't fully understand it.
So to answer your question, I don't know what I would have done different to
make that not happen, but I do remember, you know, talking to him like, Hey, what,
you know, let me finish this year.
You tried to put so much work into this.
Yeah.
And it just didn't happen.
I'm saying that I, I didn't.
Was there, was the conversations tense where they, was he that, I mean, how,
how did he voice, I mean, how does it, it was the, it was casually did this,
made this decision.
It was the oddest thing I've ever experienced.
Um, but in saying that, I, uh, you had to be devastated.
Oh, it was that I was in tears, to be honest.
Um, because it, like I said, we had worked so hard that year to put ourselves in
that position.
And those were the guys I've had for two years.
Like those are my guys.
Like, what do you mean?
You're going to, they put, um, Vickers in there, which was, he's fine too.
They all knew him.
And I remember the next week, Vickers, like, came up to me and was like, man,
because I'm so sorry.
He's like, it's not me.
I'm like, I know it's not you.
Um, and I know Dollar General left the end of that year too.
And I think they knew that, um, I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't think that had anything to do with it because I had a great, you know,
I had a fantastic relationship with, with Dollar General, but they weren't
staying the next year.
Yeah.
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Back to win number 63 though.
Have you had any more time to reflect on this number
in the moments after leaving the track?
Yes.
I mean, certainly it moves you up the totem pole.
Just another one position, right?
You know, this is where it's going to end.
You know, I'll end up ninth on the list when it's all said and done.
But it's just significant because, you know, for all of my cup career,
it was like, cow bush wins,
cow bush wins.
And then it's like, wow, I was able to win that much, you know?
And so the longevity of it certainly helps.
You know, this is almost, you know, this weekend will be,
it was almost four days from being 20 years apart from my first win.
So that's probably to me that the proudest accomplishment is just being able to
honestly say in year 20, something, I think 21 or so, that it's as good as I've ever been.
So that's to me the most proud I am.
I mean, I'll never forget, everyone on social media wanted me fired in 2018.
They thought I was washed up eight years ago.
They're lucky I wasn't around.
I don't know.
You might not have been around, Travis.
There wasn't much to do.
There weren't many bros around 2018 when I wasn't winning or didn't win a race.
Um, yeah, so that's, that's why you can't let those folks get to you.
What I love the most, they have no idea what they're doing.
When I, when I look and that damn cars cheated up, there's no way.
On the lawsuit, that's why the car's so fast.
It's, it's, y'all are making me believe that I'm doing things that you think are impossible.
That is awesome.
And it, you're just, it's making me more confident.
So I love it.
I, but what's crazy though, is that like, Jimmy still got like 20 more wins.
Where, where the hell was your comments back then?
Like, oh, that car ain't, like, there's, there's eight more guys on the list that
have more wins was research cheated up all the time.
I don't know when it was much easier to, I, it just, I think they've got fatigue.
I, I get it.
I, I totally get it.
But just looking back on the last five weeks, right?
Texas, you finished second to Elliott.
You had a chance to earn it.
You had a chance to win that one.
Then we go to a road course.
Might as well have been an off week and then coach 600.
Should have won.
If they hold the caution for three more seconds, you probably win that in the
rain delay.
Be three in a row.
Right.
All-star race.
Forgot that one.
Actually four in a row.
Four in a row.
All-star race, Nashville and, and heck, Pocono next week.
You know, I don't know what to tell you, bud.
The next spot is Dale senior at 76, but it's like you, if you just not enough time.
Okay.
But why worry about 76 and not make the goal 70?
It, you keep talking about 76.
Like, yeah, you can still get higher up.
I mean, God dang, that seems like such a far fetched number.
But I, I get it.
Not the, that is not the way things are going.
I don't know.
I just, this has got to end at some point.
Does it?
Nope.
I think he's hedging.
Maybe I just get better.
I think the thing is though, is you are a little like superstitious and that you
don't want to jinx yourself because you kept saying you can't catch Reddick,
but people can catch you and that's what it is.
That's exactly it.
I like to under promise and over deliver.
That is my mantra.
Because honestly, I couldn't recall this memory.
Like, I don't know when it was that you met Dale for the first time.
Do you remember that?
Um, yeah, I remember.
Of course.
Where were we?
Came to Victoria.
So you didn't meet him for the first time at a race?
Each one.
No.
No, okay.
You met him in Texas.
Yeah.
He came to visit in Texas.
Remember, and Josh Schneider came with him as his like security blanket.
Oh, so he came with a buddy.
He came with a, he bought a friend just, just in case.
And I, but I also came along with him.
Well, yeah.
He didn't send him by himself.
Well, like I didn't come first and he came to meet me.
Like we all flew in together.
Yes.
He came together.
I don't remember any of this.
Yes.
And we were, it's a beachwood.
And we still had like the blue and peach couches.
You remember those?
No.
No, we had the flowery couches.
We had the real flowery ones.
Yeah.
And he stayed in the room for a good majority of the day.
Dale.
Eventually he came out and he sat next to you on the couch the whole time.
And I mean, and Josh, of course, Josh, so he was hilarious and kept us all going.
And then eventually he got some beers and Dale.
Yeah.
I remember Josh being there at one point, but it was out at raisin.
It wasn't at the house.
Yeah, he stayed at the house, so.
So weird.
I don't remember.
It's weird what your mind will block out.
And Kobe was, and Kobe was there.
What did Kobe, what does Kobe think of that?
I asked him this morning.
I was like, hey, remember?
And he's like, yeah, he just stayed in the room and then he just sat by Amy.
He just hid in the bedroom?
He just, he needed some liquid courage, you know, to come out and like meet all of us.
This is a very like simple ranch home.
The rooms weren't very big and there's no TV in the bedroom.
But he had nothing to do.
And I don't even know if dad had Wi-Fi back then.
Did they have Wi-Fi?
Yeah, yeah.
Or was it like old school dial-up?
No, no.
We got Wi-Fi in college, I feel like.
I don't remember that either.
But I just remember like.
There was no iPhone though.
It was just coming out, yeah.
Yeah, there was, iPhone wasn't out, I don't think.
I had a Blackberry, so.
I know, but I'm pretty sure he had an iPhone.
It's just so weird though that he just hid.
What was your thoughts on meeting him?
I was just interested to see if he was like a normal human, you know,
like the rest of us.
Yeah.
If you.
How are you?
He was, yeah, I mean, our dad always watched NASCAR growing up.
So I obviously knew who he was and like who his dad was.
But I didn't really know what to expect, to be honest.
I didn't have any preconceived notions.
Did you have a list of questions?
Oh, I'm sure.
And that's why he stayed in the room because he probably met me the night before
and was like, wow, she's getting interrogated.
Katie coming in hot.
Is Katie hard to impress?
Katie is hard to impress, yes.
She's, well, she's, she like wants to side you up immediately.
And then she'll be, then she decides you're either,
we're either going to be friends or you need work and I'm going to help you fix yourself.
Yeah, it's, I'm the middle child.
I come by it naturally.
It's not my fault.
It's not her fault.
Everyone, see, good to be my fault.
She's just innocent.
She's innocent little Katie.
She's just trying to help.
Yeah, exactly.
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About this episode
The Dale Jr. Download digs into a string of NASCAR incident debates, weighing replay-based blame and how contact, pushing, and even “team orders” can shape wrecks and spins. The conversation also turns to risk-taking—arguing that without it, cautions would mostly be stage-break only—and to how drivers prepare, from “post-sim” routines to shift-light memories. Later, the show pivots into career and team-change stories, plus a few race-result “what if” moments and mindset talk about under-promising.
Original notes
Have a seat, grab your beverage of choice, and crank up the volume because Dirty Thirty is back again for another round!
Dale Earnhardt Jr. starts off the powered-up 30 minutes of fun with another debate surrounding the most polarizing driver in NASCAR currently — Carson Hocevar.
Over on Door Bumper Clear, Bubba Wallace and Riley Herbst talk about being teammates, but we end their portion with a joke Bubba told some Navy Seals that had the whole room laughing.
For this week's guest interview, Reed Sorenson reveals the moment he was brought to tears over losing his seat, and why he left Ganassi when he did.
After a quick message from Dale Jr. about our plans for San Diego, Denny Hamlin discusses his win total and how high he thinks it takes him.
And lastly, we've heard her name quite a bit on Bless Your 'Hardt, but now it's time you meet her. Katie, Amy's sister, recalls the first time she ever met Dale Jr.
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