A “mid-engine” car puts the engine closer to the middle instead of the front. A “transaxle” combines the gearbox and the final drive in one unit. Porsche uses this setup on some models to help the car handle better.
Term
Gilles
“Gilles” sounds like a named item the hosts are joking about—possibly clothing or gear. The clip doesn’t explain what it is, so you’d need the surrounding episode context to know exactly what they mean.
The Cayman R is a sportier version of Porsche’s Cayman, tuned more for driving feel and performance. The host is weighing it as an alternative to keeping another 911 generation.
“GTS” is Porsche’s label for a sportier version of a car. It usually means the car is tuned to feel more responsive and more fun to drive than the regular model. Here it’s used to compare two different 911s.
Term
real-time manual
The host is talking about a way the car lets you drive it like a manual—choosing gears yourself—while still being an automated system. They’re clarifying which version of the car they owned, because it changes how the car feels to drive.
A “numbered limited edition” means only a set number of cars were made, and each one has its own unique number. That rarity is part of why collectors care about it. The speaker is using this to justify the car’s value.
A limited-slip differential is a drivetrain part that helps the car put power to the wheel that has traction. It reduces wheel-spin, so the car feels more controlled when you accelerate.
This is a special edition Porsche Boxster called the RS60. They’re using it as an example of how limited, enthusiast-focused Porsches can become more popular and valuable as more people notice them.
“Full fat” is slang for the top, most serious version of a car. They’re saying some special Porsches don’t get seen as the “real top-spec” option by the general public.
Spyder is Porsche’s name for a more driver-focused open-top version of a model. The hosts are saying people may view a Spyder as more “serious” than other special editions like the RS60.
Passive suspension means the shock/strut setup is basically fixed. It doesn’t adjust itself as you drive, unlike more advanced systems that can change behavior.
Active suspension is a suspension system that can adjust itself while you drive. Instead of staying fixed, it uses sensors and control to change how the car rides and handles.
Term
digitalization of the car
This phrase means the car is getting more electronics and software controlling how it behaves. That can change the driving feel compared with earlier, more mechanical setups.
Term
blotter
“Blotter” here is being used as slang for a standout, headline-grabbing example—basically the “big one” in the lineup. It’s not a standard Porsche or investment term, but it signals the speaker thinks that specific 986 is the most notable pick.
Your credit rating influences the interest rate you get when you borrow money. Better credit usually means a lower rate, which can make the car cheaper to finance.
Cost of ownership means what a car really costs you over time. It includes more than the sticker price—think financing and what you’ll end up paying overall after a few years.
“C2 coupe” refers to a rear-wheel-drive 911 (C2) in the fixed-roof coupe body style. The host uses this to compare pricing versus the cabriolet version, implying body style and drivetrain affect market value.
Term
pre-variant car
“Pre-variant” means an earlier version of the model, before Porsche made a particular update. The host is saying those early cars can be worth more.
Concept
Swiss watch
Saying it’s “like a Swiss watch” is a way of saying it feels very precise and well-made. The host’s point is that the 993 is special because of how it drives and feels.
“Air-cooled” means the engine is cooled mainly by air moving over it, not by coolant flowing through a radiator. For older Porsche 911s, that air-cooled setup is part of what makes them especially desirable to enthusiasts.
A full repaint means the whole car’s paint was redone. It can make the car look great, but some collectors prefer cars that still have their original paint.
On a convertible, the “roof” is the top you fold down. Replacing it can improve how well the car seals against weather and can make the car look better.
Term
hardback seats
“Hardback seats” means the seat backs have a more structured look or material. The host is saying those seat backs were repainted too as part of getting the car ready.
Term
handlebar light
A “handlebar light” is a nickname for a particular Porsche light design that looks like a thin bar. The host likes it, but some fans don’t.
Paragon is the company the host says did the car’s prep work. That includes things like repainting, and the quality of that work can matter a lot for how the car looks and is valued.
A “comparative set” just means the shortlist of cars you’re using as your reference when deciding what something is worth. They’re saying that if you pick a different kind of 911, the cars you should compare it to also change.
This is a Porsche 911 GT3 from the 997 generation. It’s the more track-focused version, and they’re using it to show how choosing a GT3 changes what you’re really buying compared to a more classic 911.
An “air-cooled experience” refers to Porsche’s classic engine cooling approach where the engine is cooled primarily by airflow rather than liquid coolant. In the Porsche world, “air-cooled” is shorthand for the 911 era that enthusiasts often consider more characterful and mechanically direct.
A manual gearbox is the kind of transmission where you use a clutch pedal and shift gears yourself. They’re saying the car they like is especially fun because it’s set up to be driven that way.
Concept
protecting our funds
They mean they’re trying to keep their money safe by choosing an asset that should hold value. Here, they’re saying the Porsche prices likely won’t fall back to the old numbers.
“718” is Porsche’s name for a generation of mid-engine sports cars. It includes models like the Boxster and Cayman, and some versions have an open-top design. In the podcast, it’s being considered as an option alongside another Porsche sports car.
PCCBs are Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes, which use ceramic brake discs instead of traditional iron rotors. They typically offer better fade resistance and can reduce unsprung weight, but they’re more expensive to replace if they wear out or get damaged.
Term
PCM Delete
PCM Delete is a modification that removes or disables parts of the car’s Porsche computer system (PCM). People usually do it to change how the car behaves or what it controls, but it can affect diagnostics and may have legal/inspection implications depending on where you live.
“Low-ratio” gearing makes the car feel quicker off the line. It typically trades top speed for stronger acceleration and more engine revs when cruising.
Crown and pinion are the gears that help set the car’s “final gearing.” Swapping them can make the car pull harder or cruise more efficiently, depending on the ratio.
The throttle body controls how much air the engine gets. A GT3-spec throttle body is a performance version meant to improve how quickly the engine responds when you press the pedal.
Headers are part of the exhaust that collect gases from the engine. Better-flowing headers can help the engine breathe easier and can make the car feel more responsive.
GT4 is a Porsche model/track-focused category. When collectors talk about GT4s, low mileage is often viewed as a sign the car has been used less and may be worth more later.
The Porsche 718 GT4 is a Porsche built to feel more like a track car than a normal daily driver. The hosts are talking about it as an investment pick, especially focusing on finding one with low mileage.
Brand
RPM-Tecni
RPM-Tecni is the name attached to the particular car example they’re talking about. The point is that they trust that specific car’s condition/spec as a better investment pick.
“Box fresh” means the car feels brand-new, with very little use and excellent condition. Here, it’s used to describe a low-mileage example worth storing.
The host is saying that when a car is barely driven, even small mileage increases can matter a lot. Collectors often care a lot about how close the car is to zero miles.
Concept
mothball it
“Mothball it” means putting the car away and not driving it much for a long time. Collectors do this to keep it in better condition and protect its value.
“Nanny in technology” is a joking way to say the car will do more things for you. It can include safety features that step in and limit what the driver can do.
Porsche 718 is the name Porsche uses for the Cayman and Boxster models. Here, they’re talking about why Porsche moved away from the 718—because new EU rules will force changes to what the car can do and how it’s controlled.
“EU laws” means rules from the European Union that car makers have to follow. Those rules can force changes like cleaner emissions tech and extra safety/driver-assist features.
A “mileage surcharge” is extra money you pay if you drive more than the allowed limit. It’s like a penalty fee for going over the mileage cap.
Term
penalty clause
A penalty clause is a part of a contract that says: if you don’t follow the rules, you owe extra money. It’s basically a built-in “pay the price” for not doing what you promised.
DFI means direct fuel injection. It’s a way the engine delivers fuel more directly into the cylinders. The host uses it to describe a specific GT3 type in the comparison.
Term
visceral machines
They mean the cars feel exciting and “real” to drive. Instead of being numb or overly filtered, they give you strong feedback through the steering, sound, and motion. It’s a compliment about how the car feels in your hands and seat.
Here, “hot rod” means a car that feels more wild and driver-focused, like it’s meant to be enjoyed hard. It’s not necessarily a strict race car—more of an enthusiast’s take on one.
Sports seats are seats designed to keep you more securely in place when you’re cornering. They usually have extra side bolstering compared to regular seats. In this segment, they’re used to describe a car that’s comfortable but still feels more performance-focused.
“Comfort spec” means the car is optioned more for everyday comfort than for track use. Here they’re saying the car had sports seats, but it didn’t have a track-style cage. So it’s a different kind of GT3 experience.
A “cage” usually means a roll cage, which is extra safety metal inside the car. It’s common on track-focused cars, but it can make the cabin less comfortable. They’re saying this one didn’t have that track safety setup.
Under seal is a protective coating on the bottom of the car. If it’s missing, the car’s metal is more exposed to rain and road salt, so it can rust faster.
“Spread the bet” means don’t put all your money into one thing. The idea is to lower risk by choosing more than one car instead of betting on just one.
A credit check decline is when a lender says “no” because your credit doesn’t look good enough. They’re using it as a metaphor for saying “don’t do that deal” because the risk isn’t right.
The Porsche 959 is a very special older Porsche supercar from the 1980s. It’s known for being technologically advanced for its time, especially with turbo power and grip.
The “930” is the nickname for an older Porsche 911 Turbo. In this conversation, they’re saying that when 930 prices go up, it can push up the prices of other rare 911 models too.
“Right-hand drive” just means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car. Collectors often care because fewer cars were made for left-driving countries, so those versions can be rarer.
Term
poster turbo look
They mean the car looks like the classic turbo Porsche—like the kind you’d see on posters. The point is it has the right look, even if it isn’t actually turbocharged.
“Limited owners” means only a few people have owned the car. That can be a good sign because it often suggests the car was cared for more consistently.
“Full service history” means there are records showing the car was serviced properly over time. That’s reassuring because it suggests important maintenance wasn’t skipped.
A “concourse winning example” means the car has won at fancy car shows judged on how perfect and original it looks. It’s basically a badge that the car is in outstanding condition.
“G bodies” is a Porsche 911 generation from the 1970s and 1980s. Enthusiasts have been getting more interested in them lately, which can push prices up.
“Long bonnet” means the early 911s had a longer-looking hood at the front. The hosts are using it as a styling comparison to talk about which 911 shapes stay iconic over time.
“Impact bumpers” are the chunkier Porsche bumpers that stick out more than on earlier cars. They were used to meet safety rules, and in this conversation they’re part of what makes the 911 instantly recognizable.
Term
gearbox hasn't been recommissioned
They’re saying the car’s transmission hasn’t been properly refreshed. If a gearbox hasn’t been serviced after sitting or aging, it can feel rough and be harder to drive.
Concept
downside risk
Downside risk is the chance that an investment loses value or underperforms. In this context, the host is arguing that the Porsche’s collectability and example quality make the chance of a big value drop feel low.
Provenance is basically the car’s background—its ownership and history. A well-documented history can make the car feel safer to buy because you know what you’re getting.
“G-Model” is a shorthand for a Porsche 911 generation from the G-series era. They’re basically saying they expect that group to age differently than the car they’re recommending.
Term
extreme shithousery
This is a joking way of saying “doing something really reckless.” In this context, it means immediately putting lots of miles on a car that’s supposed to be kept pristine.
Term
cut to wrap up in cotton wool
“Cotton wool” means keeping it super protected and not really using it. They’re saying that car would probably be treated like a fragile collectible instead of driven.
A Speedster is a Porsche body style designed to feel more open and lightweight than a normal coupe. It’s a recognizable classic look, and that’s part of why people value them.
“Linen interior” means the car’s inside upholstery is a light, off-white/cream tone. People talk about it because it changes the car’s look and can be part of what makes it special.
A “Turbo look” car is a Porsche that’s styled to resemble the 911 Turbo’s exterior. Even if it’s not actually a Turbo underneath, the wide-body look is the big visual giveaway.
An “air-cooled” engine uses airflow to help keep the engine at the right temperature. Porsche air-cooled 911s are especially popular with collectors, which is why they’re being compared here.
Topic
emotion to promote white wheels
They’re talking about how looks matter for cars, and how they think white wheels look especially good. It’s part of their argument for what makes a car desirable.
The Porsche 356 is one of Porsche’s earliest classic cars. The host is saying that, to them, the 356 is the key starting point for why these cars matter and hold value.
VIN stands for Vehicle Identification Number. It’s like a car’s unique ID number, and the host is saying you’re buying that specific car, not just the model name.
A “rest-o-mod” is an older car that’s restored but also upgraded with newer technology. The idea is to keep the classic vibe while making it easier and nicer to drive.
A “finance fee” is the extra charge you pay when you borrow money to buy the car. The host is saying that even after that extra cost, you should still get more money back when you sell later.
“Tipper” here means an automatic Porsche that still lets you shift like a manual using the gear selector. They’re basically saying most of these cars are manual, with only a couple being automatic.
That means the car has about 81,000 miles on the odometer. Mileage is one of the big factors people use to judge whether a used car price makes sense.
Term
red stamp or green stamp
Those “red” and “green” stamps are like approval labels collectors use to judge a car’s status. The idea is that one color suggests a better, more trustworthy situation than the other.
Term
G50
G50 is Porsche’s name for a particular transmission/gearbox type used in some 911s. People mention it because different gearbox versions can change how the car drives and how valuable it is to enthusiasts.
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Andy Brooks is another episode of NineWorks Radio, and we're joined by not just a special guest,
but a dear friend as well.
The one and only.
Ta-da!
There he is, Saki Baremde.
A good afternoon, gentlemen. It's a real pleasure to be here. I think it's been about six months since
I've been on the airway, so it's really, really good to be back. Last time we were chatting about reflections
on the Coat December trip, so thank you for having me back. How's your first half of the year been so far?
As I said, Lee, we haven't seen each other in a while.
I've just missed you, mate, to be honest. I'm now looking even longer at my bedside cabinet picture of you
each morning now, because it's been that long. I need my circuit fix in life, so I'm hoping this is going to go
some way towards that.
I was really pleased to hear your voice on the latest pod where you were talking about the Gilles being
back in stock. It's never the wrong Gilles. It's never the wrong weather. It's purely the right Gilles.
The right Gilles.
Mate, you would not have needed a Gilles at the weekend.
A nice linen item would have been lovely, I'm sure.
You've got one for every necessary moment, haven't you? You really have.
Do you have a waterproof Gilles?
I do.
They call that a life jacket, though.
It's bright orange.
One of those ski jacket Gilles type things that is a bit of a puffer and just totally leaves your arms exposed.
As Gilles is a real thing, temperature regulation is important.
The more Gilles we can get out there.
I do remember in Ireland, because obviously that's when we were last together,
that I think you wore the Gilles at every opportunity throughout the whole weekend.
I don't think there was a moment I saw you without one.
No, that's right. I think I also wore four white shirts and four pairs of red socks,
as I wasn't getting up and putting the same clothes on every day.
My sense of fashion is distinctly lacking, or maybe ahead of its time.
I feel very comfortable in the Gilles. It's a bit like my comfort blanket.
I've now got a couple of nine works once, which is fantastic.
Thank you for kissing me out.
Lovely job, Lee. What's 2026 look like for you so far, though, mate?
It's been an interesting year. A lot going on personally.
For those of you, well, many of you listeners won't know,
I work for a company called Taten Isle, which is subject to a US takeover.
So it's been quite a busy year from a word perspective.
But from a car perspective, it's been a great first half, done two road trips.
So I've been to Wales and been to Ireland in the 40th.
Absolutely fantastic experiences on both of those.
Thank you for your hospitality when we went to Ireland, and it was an absolutely fantastic trip.
And the second half is also coming together.
I'm hoping to get out to the Alps at least once or twice.
And I'm thinking about how I can come.
As you know, I'm a very passionate skier.
So as I'm thinking about the next season coming up,
I'm thinking about how I can sort of integrate driving and skiing
with maybe sort of doing a road trip out there with the skis on the car.
And so bringing those two passions of mine together.
So definitely a lot more road trips planned.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to make it to as many shows as I would have liked,
which is a bit of a disappointment.
I've heard great, great things about Porsche by the late this past weekend.
The photos were fantastic.
Huge, huge kudos to the team on pulling that together.
And so it's something like £20,000 raised for charity, which is an absolutely fantastic achievement.
So very well done to all of the folks involved in that.
But yeah, it's been road trip heavy, which is, to be honest, the way I like it.
Nice, nice.
You've taken the 40th anniversary to Wales and to Ireland.
So you've done a decent amount of mileage in that time.
Can we talk publicly about the fact that it might be on the off ski?
Yeah, so, well, I sort of made a bit of an impulse purchase of a Cayman R
off of a fellow DNH skier, Paul Preston.
So I've now got, which actually, you know, credit to the 40th.
I haven't really driven the Cayman since it's arrived.
I've always driven the 996 in preference.
The question I've got in my mind is do I, I think one of those cars has to go
and one of them has to go because my longing for 993 is really, really strong at the moment.
Not helped by following Ralph in Ireland in his absolutely exquisite 993.
So I'm sort of thinking next year I'd like to get back into 993.
As you know, I used to have one, which I sold to get into the 997.
So I think the question is, do I have the 993 and the 996 alongside it
or do I have the 993 and the Cayman R alongside it?
Part of the issue with selling the 996 though is, you know, it's criminal what the value of that car is.
And it's something that I know I will regret in, you know, 510 years time
because the price point of that car and the performance that it offers is extraordinary.
And it's also really, really interesting that both of those trips that I've bid on,
the car has received a lot of praise from friends who didn't know what the 40th was.
But, you know, it sort of gets a little bit of critique for having, for being a little bit lopsided
in its appearance, you know, it's very heavy at the front and it's narrow at the back.
But when you see it in the flesh, it really is a beautiful car to look at.
So it is officially available for sale, but I'm not in a rush to move it on from the garage.
So we'll see how that goes.
Interesting stuff, interesting.
Yeah, I mean, what type of mileage have you done in it, Sikib?
Because it might even rival what I've done.
Yeah, I'm pushing close to 5,000.
Fantastic.
Yeah, it's, I mean, it really genuinely is an amazing car.
And what surprised me the most actually is how I just haven't missed the 997.
I really thought I would.
And it, not once have I, when I've been driving that car, I thought this is any less than the 997 offered.
Now, performance wise, yeah, you know, it's maybe 888 and a half tenths of the capabilities of that 997 GTS.
But I think the car keeps you more honest.
I found that the 997, you know, if I entered a corner, ill-prepared, either wrong gear,
hadn't balanced the car correctly, going too fast.
The 997, I felt, tended to look after me, whereas I feel like the 49th, the 996 keeps me a bit more honest
and I have to be more conscious about how I'm driving the car.
And from that perspective, I actually find it more rewarding to drive than I did the 997.
Certainly something I spoke about in last week's podcast with 996.2 and 9971 GT3, those sentiments exactly.
And when you're saying it's worth for any new listeners to non-max radio,
when you're saying 997, you're referring to your GTS real-time manual car that you had.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, I think, you know, it's almost now a third of the value of that 997 GTS.
And yeah, sure, you know, that that is a special car, very limited numbers, but the 40th is also,
it's a numbered limited edition car that was a birthday present to Porsche for its 40th birthday, right?
I mean, it is an incredibly special thing and Porsche don't make bad 911s.
It's the character of them that are all different.
And I just think it's astonishing that that car is, from a value perspective, is sitting where it is.
Yeah, I agree, mate. I completely agree.
And I think I made the mistake when I bought the car of I thought I will be able to change that
by just casting a bit more of an eye over that car for those that aren't aware,
because that's the thing, some people don't even know it exists, really.
Obviously, I was humbled massively on that, because I was very wrong.
Zero impact there, a life lesson learned.
But, you know, even chatting with the guys at Paragon, you know, when I was thinking about selling it,
and they said, you know, long term, it's going to go well.
It's not going to be, you know, like a GT3 or whatever in terms of appreciation,
but like it is underappreciated, you know, rather.
It really is. And when you compare, you know, it's sort of sitting at valleys of 996 C4Ss.
Yeah.
And, you know, if you think it's a power kit engine, the, you know, the exquisite interior that has inside of it
as a limited slip, you know, the performance envelope of that car is really, really brilliant.
And, you know, actually is a car that maybe I take on three or four road trips a year.
You know, is it worth actually just keeping it?
And it's sitting alongside a 993?
Question.
Outside of a GT product, it's the best 996, as far as I'm concerned.
So, hopefully, hopefully it's a kid, you know, because I wish you all the best luck with the sale.
But, you know, hopefully we'll be at a bar one day, drowning ourselves and drowning our sorrows,
wearing our gilets, of course, but, you know, regretting the day that both of us sold that car
because they are special and they're just yet to be realised by a wider public.
When that happens, I don't know, when you look at other special edition models out there,
you know, like with the 987, for example, the RS60, that sort of started to come into people's periphery
and have a wider appreciation.
And there are similarities in it being numbered production run, a few more kind of cool tweaks and that,
but it's not what the wider public will consider a full fat, you know, whether it's because in 911 times
it's not a GT and then with the RS60, it's not a, it's not a Spyder, right?
But it's, that's noticed an uptick this year.
So, yeah, hopefully, fingers crossed, mate, fingers crossed for the 40th, we do enjoy it.
Yeah, and I think for me, the conversation around 996 is moving towards the character of the cars.
And I wonder whether actually there'll be more people going forward who don't just default to a 997
and say it's the better car, but actually actively choose the 996 over the 997 because of the character of it,
because the driving experience is different and they are different.
You know, there was a lot that was added on to a 997 from, you know, from passive suspension to active suspension to,
you know, the more digitalization of the car.
So I do wonder over time as more people consciously choose a 996, not just because it's cheaper,
but actually prefer it for the character that that car will come into its own.
Now, whether that's going to happen in two years or five years, who knows, or even 10 years or ever.
But more and more when I talked to people and they said, oh, hold on, you came out of a 997 GTS and a manual one
and you moved into a 996, you know, are you feeling all right?
And you sort of talk people into it and they do understand.
And look, ultimately, people need to drive the car, right?
A 996 is as much as I talked earlier about wanting to get back into a 903,
the 996 is a significant step on from a driving experience perspective.
It's funny you mentioned that, Sikib, in terms of long term values, right?
Because that is going to be the theme of today's episode if you both are happy to dive into it.
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, excellent.
OK, so yeah, we have a marketplace game, which we always enjoy doing once an episode,
or sorry, once a series here on Namwax Radio.
And yeah, we've got a bit of a twist on it for today because we are going to need to convince not ourselves,
because usually that's easy, right?
When it comes to buying Porsches, we've got to convince one another.
So we're calling this the bank manager game.
And we'd implore those at home to play along with this as well,
especially in a driven or hidden collective.
I'm sure actually this is going to spark huge debates on WhatsApp in the week that this is released.
You have to pick up to three cars, which you think,
and that's three cars from the Namwax marketplace, by the way, we keep it in-house,
which you think are certain to go up in value in the next five years.
But you have to borrow the money to buy them.
Most people do that these days, by the way.
We've spoken to finance experts previously.
I think it's 6% of people buy cars outright these days in the UK.
So yeah, you have to borrow the money to buy them.
So you have to pitch to the bank manager why the investment is worth it.
Now, Sakib, if you're pitching, Andy and I will be the bank manager.
When I'm pitching, Andy and Sakib will be the bank manager vice versa.
So we have to agree or reject the idea, basically.
So have we all got our big red reject stamps ready?
I'm ready. Yeah, it's going to be in permanent ink as far as you're concerned.
New 996.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, so yeah, very, very interesting, this very interesting exercise,
full of opinion. Let's see how we get on.
First of all, gents, have you got three cars or do you not need three?
Are you going in on one or what's the score?
Three and yeah, as the bank managers, I think, you know,
I should reiterate that I've got a really solid track record here.
You know, I had a 997 manual GTS, got a 996 40th,
I've got a Cayman R, you know, I'm your pick, right?
If you're going to back a guy to buy some cars that are going to make money,
then I'm your guy.
I'm not sure about that, Sakib, to be fair,
because I know what you paid for that 40th, buddy.
Yeah, and I think the 986 is the blotter.
Yeah, yeah.
Literally, the world's most expensive 986 on the planet, absolutely.
It's going to be the last one standing at some point.
That 986 boxy, yeah, it's a shaky start, mate.
I've got to be honest, it's a shaky start.
I think that might be in the 6%.
I don't think a bank manager would have gone near that.
Well, I did pay cash for that one, luckily.
I could scrape together the five grand that I needed.
I love it.
Andy B, where are you at?
I'm ready, I'm ready.
You're ready?
You've got three, Joe?
Do you want to rock first?
I've got three.
Shall we do that?
Do I want to rock first, you bugger?
Surely our guests should rock first.
OK, yeah, yeah.
All right, let's go for that.
Let's go for that.
All right, I'm coming in hot.
I'm coming in hot.
Come on.
So I'm starting where my heart belongs,
which is in the Paragon showroom.
And it's a 993, which, as we've talked about,
is very topical for me at the moment.
And I'm going for that C2 cab at Paragon, a 903 C2 cab,
which is priced at $82,995.
And look, I'm a good credit rating.
So I reckon on five years at 5%, this is as good
as property, right?
So I reckon in five years that's coming up at about $105,000
as a cost of ownership.
Look, we've talked in recent pods about the prices of 993s.
And a C2 coupe is now easily 100 grand.
An early pre-variant car is possibly 110.
There's one lakeside that I've just put on at that number.
And 993 today is like a Swiss watch, right?
It's about the experience and the character
of driving that car and owning that car,
which is why I think the Cabriolet experience
really, really comes into its own.
We're in the middle of heat waves.
We've got Super El Nino going on.
The opportunity to drive a cab in the UK
is just going to grow going forward.
And this is really, really the best of the breed,
absolutely exquisite car and is probably 20 to 30 grand
less than the cost of a comparable coupe.
Prices of 993s, in my opinion, are going to keep going up
for all of the fundamental reasons.
Often, I'm in my early 40s.
People are now looking at a second 911.
That's where you end up with an air-cooled car,
limited supply.
We've talked about the bucket loads of character.
This specific car itself is a reference for the model.
You know, Arctic Silver is just stunning.
The car's had a full repaint as part of its prep.
It's got a new roof on it.
It's had the hardback seats repainted.
It's got that gorgeous handlebar light,
which I personally love and I know is going to upset
some of the enthusiasts.
But the prep on this car by Paragon,
you know, talked about the repaint, the seats.
It's had a new roof.
It's had a new tonneau cover.
It's had new dampers put on it.
You know, they've absolutely gone over the car.
I'd almost argue that in five years of ownership,
other than minor servicing,
you're not going to have to pay much money,
which should be considered as part of the ownership proposition
and cost.
And at 74,000 miles,
can easily do a French Riviera road trip once a year
and not dent its value.
So I really do believe that car is today
looking like a very strong ownership proposition.
Interesting thoughts, Kim.
Interesting thoughts.
I have to say, just first off the bat,
Andy is my fellow bank manager here.
Are we happy to engage in conversation with the customer here
or shall we kick him out the door?
No, I don't think we can kick him out the door.
Yeah, we definitely engage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice, nice.
I agree with that.
And I have to say, you know,
when that car first went on the marketplace,
I was actually at Paragon, funny enough,
a couple of days after as we were discussing it.
Jay there said, you know,
it is at face value when you look at it,
it's strong money for a cabriolet.
They said at the time, you know,
I don't mean to sound like a salesman,
but go off, go and have a look at any other coupé,
any other cabriolet,
and then come back and have a look at this one.
And I have done that since.
And particularly the market,
since that car was come on,
the none on three market has tickled upwards.
And the value of that particular example hasn't,
it stayed the same.
So it's almost like the market has come to that car.
So.
Absolutely.
Relative to other stuff.
And you made a really good point to keep in terms of,
you know, the gap between that and a,
and a requisite coupé example is,
is narrower certainly now than when I think that car
came on a couple of months ago.
So probably, you know,
condition versus mileage versus what not.
These are doing versus, you know,
relative costs compared to coupés.
I feel like that's in a good spot, that car.
And don't underestimate the value of the prep
that's also been done in that car.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Now, look at,
look at more generally,
there's a really nice none on three cabrel a's come up
at Williams Crawford as well.
It's beneath the,
the Paragon Contents of Value.
It's at 75s.
Midnight.
Has actually been reserved.
Has it.
Okay.
Interesting.
Good indication of the market, sir.
Good indication of the market.
Okay.
That is,
that is interesting.
I definitely feel long term.
993s are good news.
I think at last as we've discussed on previous
conversations on this podcast,
they have lagged behind 964s.
It's been a numbers game,
but the 993 looks to finally be coming to the fore
as the last of air called royalty that it,
it should be known for.
And I personally feel like that trend is going to continue
over the next five years in a steady way.
So I'm personally, there's,
there's nothing here I'm not liking Andy personally.
And if,
if I could add, you know, I, you know,
if you think about getting a 903 as, you know,
a second car just, you know, maybe to set alongside my KMNR,
you know, when coupes were 70, 80, maybe 85 grand,
you thought you sort of had it at an amount in mind.
And you thought, okay, that seems sensible.
When you're starting to talk about 100, 110,
I think that pushes it into a different price point
and a different comparative set.
At that point,
you're buying a 993 C2 versus a 997 GT3.
And, and, and so actually if you've got, you know,
80, 70, 80 grand to spend and you want an air cooled experience,
get the cab, right?
It's got the manual gearbox.
It's got a fantastic spec in it.
And to me, it really suits the character of the car.
Yeah, it does.
I personally prefer coupes in the air cooled era.
I really like 993 cabs.
I will say that I always have done,
I remember bigging them up on this podcast years ago
when I thought they didn't look like good value at 40K.
Now all of a sudden they've all jumped on,
but then again, all 993s have jumped on.
It is what it is.
I wish I'd have picked one up at that sort of price,
not for the point of flipping it just because of, yeah,
where they've got to, to be honest.
Yeah, is what it is, right?
Yeah, I still find it difficult to see a cab for more than 40K.
Yeah.
Yeah, still, you know, that seems a very short time ago, doesn't it?
That if you saw something, a cab 993 over 40K,
you would be like, oh, that's punchy.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we're seeing that money.
But as you say, the coupes seem to be going crazy as well.
It used to be, you know, I bought mine for 38 when I bought it.
I thought it was good value for money,
but I paid good money, I thought for it.
So yeah, I find it difficult,
but that is the way that the market's gone, isn't it?
There's no doubt about it.
It seems to be things are selling at that sort of money.
Yeah, and crucially, in terms of protecting our funds
and they are investment to the client here,
I don't think that the market is going to reverse.
It's not going to go back to being 40K for a cab.
No, I don't think it is.
It feels pretty safe to me.
Yeah, as a personal thing, you know,
it all sounds a bit scary and crazy that this has happened,
but from being a bank manager,
yeah, I see that as a good investment for the future.
And a big part of that is where you're buying it from
and the prep that it's gone through,
I feel very confident there.
Yeah, amazing, amazing.
Well, Andy, I agree with that entirely, sir.
So we'll get out the green stamp and we will stamp that.
Approved, approved.
Approved, congratulations.
Enjoy your motoring.
That's very exciting.
That's very exciting indeed.
Head to Paragon tomorrow.
I'll give Jay a call this afternoon.
Yeah.
Right then.
Right, this goes.
Good fun.
Andy, do you want to be a bank manager or a client?
Well, Sakiba has stolen one of mine.
Yeah.
Straight away.
So yeah, I'm going to come in with...
What shall I go for?
I was having a bit of a quandary.
I think as a stalwart, air-cooled person,
I think I need to pick something water-cooled
and my sort of top, top things there.
We're looking at Caymans and Boxsters or Spiders.
And I was toying between a Spider 718 and a 981 GT4.
They were both similar values, just around the 70,
just over 70K mark.
And that really sort of made me think about,
which do I actually prefer?
Is it the more modern car or the slightly older car?
And I think I'm going to plump for the 981 GT4.
And I feel that that has that 981 platform,
that engine note, the look of the car,
is just going to keep on appealing to people.
And I think that GT4 is definitely not going to lose
any money over the next five years.
I think they're going to plateau if not start again.
So it could be a little bit of a more long-term thing,
but I feel that that's a good bet.
And personally, it's something that I would really love to own for that time.
I think they make a beautiful noise and look fantastic.
I think they're a good, solid thing for the future.
That's my vote for the 981 GT4, which is a silver one.
That is at RPM Technic, isn't it?
It's a good one.
That's got a good spec, PCCBs on there as well.
I know that car well from Perusing prior to this game.
PCM Delete, which is really interesting in that one.
It's got the low-ratio gearbox, I believe.
Yeah, crown and pinion change.
Pardon?
Yeah, low-ratio, they've modified or changed the crown and pinion.
Upgraded headers, GT3 throttle body.
It's got lots of leather as well,
which really lifts the interior.
Yeah.
That's a scratchy car.
GT Silver Metallic.
Just one of the best colours, isn't it?
Yeah, it looks very good.
It's really nice.
Only 6,000 miles, and I think that's going to be crucial with these GT4s.
Kibba's my fellow bank manager colleague here.
I'm not sure what your thoughts are on it,
but I think that low mileage examples are going to be the ones to have.
It makes my toes curl because on this podcast we've driven not hidden, aren't we?
But we are kind of switching things up for this episode,
and we are looking at investment.
That low mileage allows you to use it a bit, doesn't it?
It does give you a bit of wiggle, definitely.
You'll pay a premium for a lower mileage,
but you're also in five years' time because there were...
I mean, it's funny, at the time we were like,
what, Porsche was pumping out some GT4s here?
You couldn't move for them.
And again, we spoke about it previously.
There was over 100 for sale on AutoTrader, mental.
But the fact of the reality is, the 718 GT4s,
there were more of them across manual and PDK, of course,
as they went at that time.
So there are a lot of GT4 981s out there.
I think in terms of investment,
you want one that's a really good example of the genre,
and that is going to be a low mileage example,
which I would put that RPM-Tecni one into.
And again, spec-wise, I think is a really, really nice example
of the genre that will be sought after by collectors going forward.
And funny enough, RPM, even say on the advert as well,
this is one to keep and cherish.
They do, don't they? Yeah.
I'm aligned on the GT4.981 as well.
I do wonder whether, Lee, we should push our customer,
Andy here, to the Williams Crawford example.
Yeah.
As an investment car.
With only 2,000 miles on the clock as well.
So do we think that's going to be the better return example?
But then Andy has to promise not to drive it.
That is the issue, I think.
And funny enough, I've had a look around in the metal at that example,
because I was down at Williams Crawford last week.
And yeah, 2,000 miles, it's box fresh.
So as a pure, get it, stick it away.
Because again, at that sort of mileage,
the closer you get to zero, isn't it?
Every mile matters.
So that is a car that you just, for me,
you would buy and just mothball it.
Absolutely mothball it.
With the RPM one, it's got a little bit more miles on.
I think if you're doing a couple of thou
in that five year period.
And again, with the modifications that's in there,
that really lift that car.
I think they're slightly different propositions,
but I think both of them are passable.
I don't see any issue there at all.
If you'd have said 718, I think, for me,
with 718 GT4, whilst they are incredible,
and I think they do represent great value,
what we've got coming up over the next five years
that's going to have a major impact on values
is what Porsche does next.
What Porsche does next with that Cayman platform
and that reversal and going back to combustion engines.
What does that look like?
How much more nanny in technology is there going to be on there?
We know there's going to be more than the 718,
because that's the reason Porsche discontinued the 718,
because it has to conform to those new EU laws
that basically put more nanny in tech on the car.
So there's a few variables in play with the 718.
I think it's going to be okay, but I would worry on...
If for this game, I would worry on chucking the money there.
But for an original GT4, you know,
the first of a new genre that's proved to be
so popular among Porsche fans with such low mileage,
either car, I think whether you rock up to RPM
or Williams Crawford there, they're both really,
really favourable for me.
Okay, does my loan get the green stamp then for you both?
Are you happy to rub a stamp, sir, kid?
We might have to put a mileage cap on it,
but I think in principle, I can see your face.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're subject to an agreed mileage cap
or a mileage surcharge, I think.
Yeah, maybe you're free to drive it,
but you have to pay us back a higher rate of interest
if you put too many miles on it.
Well, thank you very much, both of you,
for your green stamp of approval for the loan,
but I'm out, I'm afraid.
Personally, I need to drive these things, so, yeah.
Thank you for the loan, but no thank you.
Love it, love it. The customer's rejected.
That's the kid, fantastic.
Love it.
I'm going to hold this against him
when we go to the next round.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Definitely, definitely.
Well, actually, I had 981,
so the reason I'm in firm agreement,
because if Andy's not having that cash to kib,
would you mind sliding it my way?
And there might even be a bit of a staff discount involved.
I don't know how it works for banks,
but basically, yeah, I'm all for it.
I was happy to lend Andy the money,
and I will take that cash if that's okay
for the reasons outlined.
Yeah, I think we can agree to that, Lee.
We can agree to that.
Yeah, I'll agree to it.
As long as you take on that.
It's a crony and penalty that was added.
Just to, yeah, not be boring.
I'll chuck some other things.
I've got kind of...
I've got, yeah, there's two more in there, I guess.
Definitely, if it's okay to entertain a bit of fluffing.
Unfortunately, I've just checked it was for sale this morning,
and I've double checked now,
and it's just sold late-side classics,
which I'm devastated about,
but also not devastated about,
because that thing was for sale for a matter of days.
It's a Guards Red 996.2 GT3.
And here are the reasons, guys,
and this is fluffing as you like,
but hopefully others can get on this bandwagon.
I think that it's such a surefire investment,
certainly over the next five years.
GT3 has always been super popular, obviously,
but I personally want to expand this to anything Metzger engine,
so 996 and 997.
GT3 is just not really any for sale currently,
which might be why the lakes I car sold,
it was up at a K as well, I think.
The Metzger engine actually won Le Mans.
That's why it's going to find favour with enthusiasts.
They are much rarer because this is always a numbers game
when it's investment.
They're much rarer than DFI GT3s
and arguably more robust as well.
Smaller, lighter, more visceral machines.
I think the values of these, yes,
they've kind of passed or surpassed that triple figure benchmark.
I'll say triple, it's six digits really, isn't it?
But you know what I mean.
I just think they're going to keep climbing.
Whether 996.1 or 2,
other specialists out there have said 996.1 GT3s
will one day be considered alongside 964 RS values,
which I think is worth listening to.
They're accommodated saying that
with a lot of knowledge in this industry.
Obviously, I'd prefer the .2.
I think it's a better car and the fact it's the first
Andrew's proining a car.
I just think we'll only keep propelling it on
to have legendary status.
It's a win-win.
I want to give you some numbers as well.
There's around 3,000.
This is according to my calculations.
I could well be wrong.
But from my research,
there are around 3,911 GT3s in the UK.
Of that 3,000, just 10% of them are 996 GT3s.
That's Gen 1 and Gen 2.
If you're looking at 997 GT3s,
again, just 10% of those,
this excludes RS,
just 10% of total UK GT3s are 997s.
I think Metzger engine GT3s
are going to keep rising splendidly
for the next five years and beyond.
I think it's pretty obvious to say
that they'll overtake the DFI equivalents
that succeeded those cars personally.
It was good to see that the dot-1
at Paragon is sold now as well.
I think it was on at 89.995.
If I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, exactly it.
I drove that car,
I can't remember if I said on the previous podcast.
That car has, by its previous owner,
that owned it for a number of years.
Because 996 is, as you know, secured.
They can squeak and rattle and all of this sort of stuff.
Build quality isn't quite up to 993 levels.
But the owner went to great lengths
to ensure there are none on that car.
And there really aren't.
It's like it's a rare 996
because it doesn't squeak and rattle
as you shimmy down the road in it.
It's a really, really nice car that.
It's a nice car.
Again, we've spoken previously.
I've kind of feel none on 6.1 GT3s.
They're a bit more hot rod.
The dot-2s are more motorsport.
But it's a numbers game.
And for what they stand for,
for what they mean,
they're obviously just, yeah, great news.
And to be honest with you,
it's really nice to see those cars have its day.
I mean, if you think, you know,
the one I bought sat around for 14, 15 months in a showroom.
996 GT3s historically have always been quite hard to sell.
Just not the case currently.
And if I'm honest, I just don't see that changing.
And that's got nothing to do with owning one.
I just can't see it.
I can't see it.
It's my fluffing stick.
Yeah, we need to.
Somebody's stolen it.
Oh, there it is.
I can see it in Lee's room there.
I think I'll step in as the bank manager here
and say, Lee, you cannot own two.
You've already got one.
So I think this is the red decline stamp for you, Lee.
That's it.
It is a show.
I'll have to put up with one.
The one at Lakeside, by the way,
was quite different because it was a comfort spec with sports seats,
no cage.
So yeah, quite, quite different.
I'm kind of sold,
but also pleased for whoever's bought it.
Just, you know,
obviously it'll be a great car on the numbers marketplace.
But if you're finding other cars out there,
you know, just please people do your research.
Those cars have no under seal on them.
Corrosion is a real issue.
Finding a good one is so, so, so tricky.
So do your research on that.
I think if I was a bank manager lending money out,
it would be subject to an inspection for any car.
Yeah.
Do we improve, Andy,
or are we declining because we've already got one?
Yeah, I think that's a very good point
because we don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket, do we?
Which is what he would be doing there.
So, yeah, let's, we need to spread the bet.
So that is a red stamp for me, definitely.
Yeah, I think that's a credit check decline,
I think for you, Leon, that one,
because you've already got one.
rubbish while I'm going next door.
Right, so keep going.
What have you got, mate?
What have you got?
Back to me, back me.
Okay.
So I'm actually headed back to RPM Technic.
And gosh, I mean, look,
what an absolutely selection that they've got there.
And we talked about the GT4.
I mean, we can't have this pod without talking about the 959
that they've got still in stock.
Unfortunately, my credit limit's not going to reach that level.
They've got, you know, they've got that gorgeous black ST.
Anytime I see a black ST with silver mag wheels,
my heart skips a beat.
That gorgeous God red speedster as well.
But actually, I'm going for the 3-2 Super Sport.
And I mean, what a lovely example that they haven't stocked there.
My view on the 3-2 Super Sport is, yes, it's already a pretty pricey car,
but it's a very rare car because of numbers.
And I think as the price of the 930 keeps pushing up, which it will do,
I think it's going to drag up the Super Sport.
And so, you know, yes, I think today 130 feels punchy for that Super Sport,
but it is a very rare car.
I think was it something like less than 200 or about 200 right-hand drive examples.
So a rare car, you know, from a looks perspective,
it really is that poster turbo look.
Unfortunately, obviously it doesn't have the turbo in it,
but it gives you the sort of gorgeous look as well as the rarity of the model.
And I think, as I said, as the price of turbos keep pushing up,
I think that's going to drive up the value of that example,
particularly given the condition and example that that one took.
Interesting sentiments.
Andy, what do you think?
It's always missing the turbo, isn't it?
But, yeah, it does have that look.
I guess there's people that want the turbo look,
but don't necessarily get on with the turbo engine,
so there's always going to be a market for it.
And that particular example looks absolutely fabulous in that guard's red, doesn't it?
A sub 50k mileage as well.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I don't know what the sort of history of it is as far as owners is concerned,
but I would think that probably sub 50k and looking so fresh,
it's probably had limited owners and has been molly coddled.
It's described as a concourse winning example with full service history,
but yeah, the detail is on there at the moment,
but it does say wonderful history, concourse winning example.
So I think the assumption here is that this is a top tier example of the car.
Yeah, which therefore eases me.
I think generally speaking, you know, I like to play things safe really.
I'm definitely on that side of caution really.
So G bodies, they've had this explosion in the last couple of years.
You know, will they keep going?
Yes, probably, but for how long?
I mean, eventually what's happened with the long bonnet cars will happen with G model.
I'm certain of it as as enthusiasts, you know, die out, unfortunately.
And that's not going to happen within the next 10 years, right?
But obviously I'm just saying it's going to happen at one stage.
I don't agree with that.
No, you wouldn't. We're all sitting behind.
But I just think that that shape is the iconic 911 shape with the impact bumpers.
And I don't see that that tailing off like the the long hoods have.
I think it is to us.
But I think if you're, you know, if you, you ask a 10 year old or even,
you know, younger than that, then it just that none of that matters, carries really
because they're just they're not disagree.
I disagree.
Because the reason I say that is because when I drive my car around on the streets,
I get a minus 10 year old getting excited.
You know, you see a four year old that's on his way to school and he sees that shape of that car.
And there is something about it is that that smile at the front, the cheeky little face
that ignites kids still today, I think more than the newer cars do.
So I think that's going to live a long time in in people's in their in their memories
as kids are seeing that that that face at the front.
Yeah, it's enduring.
I think like later cars like nine and again, you know, this is this is beyond the five years
that we're kind of talking about here, right?
But I just I think, you know, youngsters growing up where cars are going to drive themselves,
you know, if you can jump into a 996 or seven, they're so easy to drive today.
But compared to a car that drives itself, they'll be kind of a cache.
Look at me.
I'm actually driving a car.
But actually, you can jump into and anyone can drive it.
A G model by comparison is a lot more difficult to drive, particularly one that, you know,
gearbox hasn't been recommissioned.
They can be a dog to drive.
And I think, you know, not us because we've brought up around this kind of mechanical understanding
and empathy and whatnot.
And I think that the enthusiasm that is literally learning to tie their shoelaces right now.
I don't know how much, you know, comparatively a smelly G model will appeal personally.
I just I think it will fade into another one.
It will join the long line of cars and it will happen to everything one day we go.
It's just an old car, isn't it?
But I don't think that will happen in the next five years, certainly.
I don't think it's going to happen, Lee.
I agree to disagree with you there.
I'm sure we're going to have a good debate about this on WhatsApp this week.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And the debate is an important point.
But I mean, look at the another reference point is look at what's happening with nine and three turbos, right?
And nine and three turbos are really, really pulled up, right?
I mean, you're not getting much change out of what 200 grand now for a nine and three turbo.
Nine and 30 turbos are good news.
So I think for me, this car, again, you're paying a lot of money for the quality of the example,
but this is an investment conversation.
I think I struggle to see downside risk on this car, even if it's not going to potentially explode in the next five years.
And the shape of it, the look of it, I mean, in God's red with the black fuchs, it is just such a poster car.
And, you know, my younger daughter, who's 10, is sort of getting into cars and really enjoys them.
You know, if you asked her to pick one of the five that I've owned over the last 10 years, the nine and three is her favorite.
So there's something about the character of an air-cooled car that while it might be not something that they want to drive every day,
I think there'll be an appreciation for them that will endure.
And look, with only 200 examples in the UK, you don't need a million people to want to buy it.
Agreed, agreed. And this is the thing, right? So going back to, like, the parameters of this game,
because my sentiments on G-Body, they stretch, you know, a fair chunk beyond the five years, you know,
like the next five, 10 years is so cushy.
And, yeah, with that example, with the mileage, with the provenance it has in being concourse-winning,
that is a really safe bet to me. Like, it's like I have no reservations as a bank manager about lending money for that at all.
My observations with G-Model is just down the line. I just think it will eventually, at one stage,
on an unidentified amount of time, whether it's 20 years, I think it will succumb to history.
But, obviously, I think we'll all be toast by then. This car certainly won't be going.
But, yeah, for the next five years with that car as the super sport, I'm personally happy to accept that, Andy, if you are.
Yes, I will green-stamp that one.
Yeah, in which case.
Congratulations on your purchase.
Man, two for two and air-cooled as well. Look at where I'm going.
Andy, did you want to go next, or do you want me to jump in with car number two?
I'm ready for number two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go on then.
I'm not sure it's going to be to your liking.
So I'm wondering if you might want to retire as being bank manager for this round for me.
And let Sakeeb take the decision.
Could you guess at what I might be looking to be discussing?
I am going to talk speedster.
And do you know what? We've got the choice of speedsters at the moment.
If we go for the newest, we've got a 991 speedster, which is an RPM Technic, 269.
We've also got a 997 speedster, which was that 249.
I'm just trying to find the bugger. Where's it gone?
I think that was 249.
269.
299 is the 997.2.
And then we've also got a 3.2, which is, again, an RPM Technic at 1599.5.
Which do you think I'm going to choose, boys?
Don't think you'll go for the 997, because it's a low mileage example.
It's got 25 miles on.
And unless you're kind of subscribing to extreme shithousery, whereby you'll jump in it and immediately put 10K on it,
I don't think you will. That's a car to cut to wrap up in cotton wool.
So not that. I think you'll go 3.2, won't you, because you've driven one.
I have, but I've also followed 991 through Wales, Paul's car, which was glorious watching that thing go.
But yeah, I think you're quite right. 3.2.
And doesn't it feel like an absolute bargain against the other two as well?
A defender of the due body faith.
Absolutely. Look at that. 160K against, what is it, 299 and two something are other loads.
Loads more money.
So yeah, the 3.2, I think it's good news.
I'm not sure one of my bank managers is going to approve.
So I'm really kind of not interested in your opinion on that.
Sorry, Lee.
Well, you're going to need two stamps to get this one over the line.
So, Kib, what's your thoughts, mate?
Well, you know, I was subscribing to the Super Sport personally because I think I'm more of a coupé man than an open top.
But you can't argue with the 3.2 speedster in my mind.
And what a glorious example it is.
Grand Prix White, you got that linen interior.
You know, it's also got the turbo look body.
We were talking about, you know, the importance of the visuals of the turbo body.
And yeah, that looks like an absolutely fabulous piece of kit.
And as you say, compared to the values of the air-cooled ones, the 997 and the 991s, it looks like a relative bargain personally.
And in the words of Max Newman, how good would that look on the peninsula?
I think it would look even better cruising round Monaco, personally.
And what I will say is, well, two things really.
The first one is a conversation for another day, but I'd like to put a lot of effort into emotion to promote white wheels on all cars.
Like, white wheels just look absolutely spectacular.
And I think there should be an official movement to recognize and promote it because it just looks awesome.
The second thing is, yes, although 9-11 speedsters aren't my bag, I think, you know, the story starts and stops with the 356 for me.
You can't really argue against the idea that a 3.2 speedster is an investment.
So, yes, you know, I'd be very happy to watch you drive it.
And I would absolutely rubber-stamp that one, to be honest, as an investment.
It's never going to go down, is it really?
Another interesting perspective is that we talk about, you know, gold standard investment.
And, you know, gold is talked about as one of the only asset classes that's inflation-proof.
Well, check this out.
You know, the list price of this car we knew was £53,531.50.
It's money, £165,000.
And guess what? That's exactly what the car is worth today.
So, if there ever was, you know, gold standard investment, this feels like we're bang on the money.
So, I'm very happy to sign that off, Andy.
Thank you very much, bank managers.
I much most appreciate your good decision.
Very good. We've not said no to anything yet.
Yeah, it's lucky there's no budget.
Andy turned us down, remember Lee?
Oh, yeah, of course, you did.
Typical.
Typical, yeah, yeah.
I would say that rather than us having an inability to say no,
I'd kind of point to the fact that all of the cars have been extremely well-chosen so far.
So, maybe that will fall to bits with mine, although I don't think so.
So, I think this is as sure a bet as anything so far, to be honest.
So, it is an open top 9-11, which can be a little bit controversial at times for an investment piece,
but when we're talking about 9-6-4s, as has been said many a time on this podcast and on non-West TV previously,
I just can't see this being anything other than a fail-safe place to stick some money.
This is a 9-6-4 Cabriolet.
This particular example is at Philip Rabie.
It's a Carrera 2. It's a manual.
So, should you wish to drive it, that should be a fun car.
Although the reality is you don't need to do any driving on this.
And yes, I'll admit to you guys as the people lending poor old me the money at the moment.
I can't imagine I'll put a lot of miles on it.
1,000 miles a year, I think.
2,000 miles a year at a very max.
Wafting around the South Coast as I would.
I wouldn't do big journeys in it.
I wouldn't particularly care for it too much.
As 993 prices have risen, I don't think 9-6-4s will lag behind, including Cabs.
The reality is you are buying the Vin.
So, if you'd like to drive the car as well, that's an added bonus.
But if you just want a car that you want to purchase as I do here,
stick it away for five years or whatever it is, any amount of time,
the longer you leave it, the more you get back.
Trade it in for a rest-o-mod. I think this is the car to do it.
It seemed to be the way, doesn't it, with a 9-6-4?
It's crass, and it's certainly not in keeping with our driven, not-hidden, collective spirit.
But sometimes you've just got to roll with it, haven't you?
And there's no tax when you're buying and selling cars with a healthy profit as there is.
I'm not saying this is going to be life-changing money at all.
I'm just saying that whatever you pay for it today, including your finance fee,
I think you're going to get more back for it, particularly the longer you wait.
I think you've chosen well with being manual and a Carrera 2 as well.
I think that's good.
Obviously, there are a few Carrera 4 cabs around. I think they're all manuals, aren't they?
It's only the two that could be a tipper.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think the Carrera 2 manual is a good choice.
What do you feel? Oh yeah, be a good drive.
What do you think, Sakeeb?
All the cool kids have 9-6-4 cabs, don't they?
And Simon Jessup, friend of the pod, rock around a 9-6-4 cab at the moment.
Spotted with a big fan at Porsches by the Lake in his passenger seat.
No, you can't argue with frankly any 9-6-4 being a good investment
and a great driving car at the same time.
I haven't unfortunately driven a 9-6-4.
That's something that I'd like to correct at some point in time.
But there's a lot of discussion in the collective about the merits of 9-6-4s versus 9-9-3s.
9-6-4 was at some point a sort of stronger appreciation in terms of values.
Came at a premium to 9-9-3.
And now that 9-9-3 prices have come up again,
I wonder how that's going to evolve a choice between 9-9-3 and 9-6-4 going forward.
But by all accounts, absolutely fabulous cars and I can't see any money being at risk in putting it behind a 9-6-4.
Yeah, I mean, it's 81k miles as well, worth pointing out for those listening at home.
I think it's pretty cheap.
If you compare it to 9-9-3 cabs, which we've spoken about previously
and how they've really ticked up the last 12 months or so,
this is for sale for 55k.
And again, the reality is I'm not quite sure if they rebuild history.
It says this Porsche benefits from a well-documented service history.
It's just had a major service and a brand new hood has recently been fitted along with new rear reflector
and much more has had a clutch recently.
I don't know if an engine rebuild has taken place.
It is only on 81,000 miles.
But the reality is, and I'll be totally honest with you guys,
I probably wouldn't rebuild the engine if it needed it.
Again, I'll just tuck it up and then effectively sell the VIN in a couple of years if it came to it.
If I was being a particularly studious bank manager,
I might have a little look around the market just to confirm or deny you a red stamp or green stamp you.
And something has just come to my attention, which is down at Williams Crawford,
which is 3.2 cab, 1989,
sort of similar in a lot of ways to that speedster that I was looking at.
But this is 100,000 less than that speedster.
Do we think that 3.2 cab has got the same sort of trajectory as the 964?
And would your money be better spent in that?
What do you think, Sikib?
What are you laughing at?
G-body fluffing.
Defender of the fave.
What do you think, Sikib? What do you think?
Is that the one that's reserved? The G50?
It is, yes.
I personally probably see the 964 as a better proposition, long term, than a 3.2.
And I think that's...
I don't fully subscribe to Lee's view around the segment of buyers that have an interest in G-bodies
and how that's going to evolve over time.
I think the 3.2 is going to stay a really interesting proposition.
But I think there's a sort of scarcity value and a sort of aura around the 964
that I think probably is going to make it a longer term bet and put a floor under the value of 964s.
Okay, I'll take your opinion well.
Yeah, okay. We'll stick with the 964s then, Lee.
Yeah.
What do you think?
Yeah, well, I just want to add some two cents into that.
Yeah, for me, where it comes to putting a car away or enjoying it while knowing with 100% certainty,
it will always be worth more than what you paid the day you bought it.
The 964 is a much more assured bet over a 3.2, in my opinion, for reasons I've stated earlier.
And I know, Sikib, you don't quite agree.
I know, Andy, you definitely don't agree.
But yeah, I think G-bodies have enjoyed a crest of a wave.
They might appreciate a little bit more in my view, but I can't see them enjoying a perpetual ascendancy.
I just, I think one day, you know, if every car has a life and a curve and I think eventually one day it will therefore drop like a long bonnet would.
And I think another reason for that to add meat to the bones is when you think back to that era, it was all about the 911 Turbo, wasn't it?
Which is in a separate bracket, I think.
But otherwise, you know, these days, youngsters, they're talking about RS, RS, RS and GT product when you hit to a water cold.
But where the G-body didn't have any of that, it had the club sport, which doesn't carry the same allure among the every man and woman.
It does in my head, it's a brilliant 911.
But that era just doesn't, it doesn't have that high line car to kind of pull things up in the same way subsequent eras did.
So I just think if you, if you just want a car, as I said, as a 100% certified appreciation by 964, whether it's a concourse or dilapidated.
Right, shall we green stamp him?
I'm very happy to green stamp.
Oh yeah?
I reluctantly green stamp.
A green stamp and a, and a, yeah, closing the door on me on the way out.
Bosh.
If we have to then.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, we said, we said yes to everything so far.
Have we not?
Yes.
I believe we have largely.
Has anyone, has anyone got any others they want to throw in?
Well, maybe, maybe hopefully this is not going to be one to say no in, but possibly if I was going to pick a car that I would want to drive home in.
It's another cab.
So maybe it's the hot weather's getting, getting to us, but I can't help but think about the, the GTS four liter at Porsche Bournemouth, which is two things.
One is it is the last delivered GTS four liter box.
So as I understand it at Porsche Bournemouth, with an absolutely incredible spec on it.
It's ice cream metallic.
It's got leather absolutely everywhere, buckets, manual, Burmeister, a very well selected black brake calipers and our very own Max Newman, I believe cast his eyes on the spec of that car.
But I also believe it Lee was your rescue vehicle six months, six months ago.
So you have some, some experience of, of, of driving it off of the, off of the Alps.
But look, I think, you know, it's, it's, there's a, there's a big question about last of the line and that GTS four liter engine and what's going to come next with the next iteration of the 718.
The cars will get more digital as we've talked about previously, whether they'll have a naturally aspirated engine, whether they'll have a four liter capacity.
So we spent quite a bit of time talking today about open top cars.
You know, we've talked about the 32 we've talked about the 964 we've talked about the 993 we've talked about some speedsters.
Is, I wonder whether that, that four liters of car to, to also buy and use.
And sure, I think it's going to depreciate.
It's on the market right now for 99, 950, but it could be a relatively gentle glide on that car over, over a period of time, just because it is the last of the line.
And as, as portion, you know, enthusiasts and investors, we liked the first and the last and the spec on that car is, is incredibly unique.
And, you know, I'd struggle, I think, to find another one with, with, with a matching spec.
Yeah, interesting, interesting.
I would say at this stage, I wonder if we can even offer finance on that because I think that would come under our friends at Porsche and Porsche Bournemouth would probably do you a, do you a deal on it?
I think if I was looking as a bank manager to say, hmm, would I lend the money on the premise that it's going to make money, which is kind of what this episode was about, I would say not.
But as a last of the line car, it carries a small cache, I think for now.
The fact it's the last one out of Porsche Bournemouth, I think doesn't overly matter beyond, you know, it's a cool thing to say in a car park, cars and coffee, but I don't think it carries any financial gravitas.
And yeah, the, the story ahead for the Cayman Boxster is fine for now because there aren't any, but Porsche will return the model line up to showrooms eventually.
So for a short term thing, I kind of agree as a, you know, gentle glide and, and, you know, yeah, happy days.
I think extremely diplomatic bank manager talk is coming out very good, Lee. Yes.
I think you're on the money to direct him to Porsche Bournemouth to go and see what they can do with their finance.
As a bank manager with the idea of what we're trying to do today, I think it's out outside of our remit.
But what a wonderful car. It's got so many nice bits on that, isn't it?
I do think it will, yeah, it kind of won't look after you, but it won't sting you in the tail.
Let's spread it that way over the, over the next few years.
It will be a good place to put money to enjoy the car and get out of it when you want to get out of it without too much of a burnt feeling.
Definitely, definitely. Very good. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll show you out as a kid anyway.
I'm taking the GTS four litre. So I'm quite, quite, quite happy to be fair.
Yeah, yeah. Very good. Very good. There's, there is a slight curveball.
This, this might put a kid, a cat among the pigeons.
Yeah.
Is I keep looking and you know, you know, oh, I love them so much. I love them so much.
RS60 Spyder. There's one on the marketplace right now. It's at Paragon Porsche.
It used to be owned by Tobi within the, in the collective.
I have actually driven the car. It is fabulous. It's extremely well looked after.
It's got a couple of trick mods that just elevate that experience.
I remember like even the center console in that car, which is painted by the way, is even, even that's PPF as a mark of how much Tobi as a previous owner has doted on the car.
And I just look at these cars, RS60s generally as really, really, really cheap in comparison to other limited numbered production cars in the marketplace.
I think they are genuinely special. I think previously they haven't been thought of as highly as they have now.
I think the fact that it's called an RS60 Spyder, but isn't a genuine Spyder, I think has muddied the waters with their reputation, but they are really special.
You could argue that the Paragon one is strong money. It's up for a five or under 30K, but I do think it's probably one of, if not the very best example in this country having seen a couple of them.
And again, even a strong money like that, I think going forward, again, not saying it's going to be life changing at all, but I kind of feel like the market will come to that car at the very least.
If there's a little bit of money left over, you know, and it's end of the month end and you want to get another customer in the door, guys.
I'm that person. I can be that person if you want.
As bank managers, I see what you're saying.
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it might have to be one of the last days of the month and I'm slightly desperate to get your business.
But I do think that is a lovely car that, as you say, the market's going to come to it.
Yeah, it's great, isn't it?
I really want to drive in one of those to feel that specialness that you talk about.
I'm sure it's there because we hear Toby Dyer talking about it enough.
He really laments that car.
So, yeah, I'm in.
I think the color of my stamp probably matches the color of the interior, if I can be honest.
That doesn't take away from my regard for the car, by the way.
I think it's an absolutely fabulous piece of kit and not only that, but this specific example being Toby's previous car,
condition, provenance, sold by Paragon several times, it's still well under 30,000 miles on it.
So, if you're looking for an RS60, I think it's an absolutely cracking example for someone.
I sort of struggle a little bit, though, with the idea that it's going to be good money financially,
because I think it's probably a similar story to my 99640th anniversary.
I think it's one of those, if you know cars, rather than it being something that has really broad appeal to a wide audience
that's going to drive up an imbalance in supply and demand and therefore push prices up.
So, while it probably will tick up a little bit, I don't think it's probably going to cover the cost of the finance to justify the investment.
So, I probably lean on it not being an investment car, but that doesn't take away from me believing that it is a fabulous car to own and drive and enjoy.
Good point, well made. It's a good point, well made.
I don't mind the fact that there's a no on there and obviously we need two yeses for the green rubber stamp, right?
So, I shall go away and try and save up.
I hope they stay the prices where they are, because it means that I'm more likely to get into one sometime soon.
And as I said, Andy, to you previously, I'd love for that car to be within the Nine Works wheelhouse, really,
maybe as a lone proposition to drive, not hitting collective members for road trips or whatever,
because I just think the premise of that sort of idea, I think that car is absolutely bang on the money with it.
I think someone with, you know, more senior Porsche metal could jump into that car and it still feels special.
Yeah, yeah, I think it could educate a lot of people by having one, couldn't we?
Interesting stuff, interesting stuff.
All right, Andy, your third car?
My third car, I'm going to go Flufffest. Here we go.
It's the 911 SC at Philip Rayby, the Arrow Blue car with the Berber interior, which I think just looks absolutely fabulous.
What a colour that is on that car.
And I'm going to bang the drum from the SC.
You know, the SC was the lowly car of the range for many, many years,
the one that was sort of not looked after and chucked in barns and forgotten about.
And I think the SC is still going to be on the rise.
I think more and more people are going to understand the SC over the years and enjoy them as I have.
I've become enlightened. I didn't think they were anything until I got to drive a few and I think they're fantastic.
In fact, I was speaking to Paul Stevens at Porsches by the Lake and obviously he's had lots of experiences with 3Ts and SCs.
And I asked him, which was his favourite out of the two, and he said the SC just the way it feels so much more lively than 3.2.
So yeah, I take to you, bank managers, the 1981 Porsche 911 SC finished in Arrow Blue. What do you think?
Well, I had the pleasure of following Andy around Ireland for a couple of days fairly recently on our recent Nine Works road trip.
And it was the first time that Andy and I have been on the road together on a road trip.
I genuinely couldn't believe the performance offered by Andy's car.
So it really, really opened my eyes to an SC, particularly as someone who has thought about and still quite wants a 3.2 in his life going forward.
So my eyes have definitely been opened to an SC.
On this particular car, I mean, gosh, that colour is absolutely stunning.
And I mean, what about those Berber seats?
They might clash with my Tweed, my Tweed jacket.
But yeah, I would be, I'd sort of be minded to get into an SC.
I think as ever with all of these cars, condition is critical.
And, you know, you'd really, really want to make sure that you are getting an inspection and an aware of the condition of the car and the likely expenditure and maintenance over the coming years.
But the price at $54.995 seems like a good entry point to me.
So it all checks out on paper subject to inspection.
Yeah, I think I would largely agree with that.
Probably, yeah, I would say so.
I think for G bodies, it's probably priced fairly, which on, you know, it could look cheap to some and compared to others on the market, it most definitely is.
But I think it's factored in there with like the mileage.
I mean, just reading up on the detail, you know, there's previous owner, there's only have five owners.
2024 the car had over eight grand of work carried out, including attending to paintwork issues and a service and fitting a new alternator.
Again, I can't see anything on an engine rebuild.
So I'd probably be happy to sign it off as a financing because obviously finance companies don't pay for rebuild.
So I would, I would suggest there's probably going to be something like that ahead.
Again, not sure you may ring Phil and he may say, actually, you know, in the paperwork, it says XYZ.
But just again, with the age of it, and I think it's something we say all the time on this podcast and it's not to inflate your ego, Andy.
But, you know, you genuinely through, you know, luck and decision and, you know, everything that's gone into it, you've managed to get hold of just absolutely a fabulous example of SC and what we can't have just off the back of
a kid where you've said he's saying, you know, the performance of it.
What we can't have is say that they're all like that because in terms of like performance and condition, they're just not.
I mean, there's there's no rust on your car, Andy.
You know, it's amazing.
Did we ever get to the bottom off?
There was a story that it may be running like high, high compression or something along that line.
Yes, it's got high compression.
Yeah.
So it's not a rolling road really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, you know, it's especially because yours is an early example, isn't it?
So 180 horsepower.
It should be 180.
Mooted.
Yeah.
But it's definitely, I personally think it's above that.
So, yeah, you just have to buy with an open mind.
And I kind of feel like where the pricing of this is, I think Phil's kind of popped it or priced it fairly, to be honest.
The seats are stunning.
I had a good look around this car at the barbecue we did at Philip Rabie back in June.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
There was nothing looking at the car that worried me at all, to be honest.
And again, you have to look at all the cars of this vintage as a result.
It's wide open, as we say.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Do I get the green stamp, boys?
Yeah.
I'd be happy to green stamp that.
Excellent.
Thank you.
Is there anything on the marketplace that or not on the marketplace that you kind of think is a good bet at the moment or something that you've heard about and you feel is a little bit underappreciated?
It's a slightly different price point to, I think, what the three of us are going to be perusing.
But I have had an interesting conversation with somebody, a dealer in the industry, who's genuinely tempted to sell his house in order to buy a 918 Spider.
Really?
Because relative to other cars within that sort of end of the market, there's a firm belief that they haven't quite been realised of their true potential.
Yeah.
I find that quite interesting.
You know, that's someone genuinely on the inside of the industry that could do that and has entertained it.
So I think that's kind of worthy of passing on, although, admittedly, not everybody's going to be shopping down that aisle in the supermarket.
That is literally betting the farm, isn't it, Nicky?
Yeah, it is.
It is.
But you think about it, you know, where a house price is going to be going in the next few years.
High, high, high taxation on all of that as it is anyway with stamp duty here in the UK.
If you sell a car for a clean profit and we're talking six figures, there's no tax on it.
So it might sound crazy, but when you think about it, is it as daft as it seems?
I would say not, you know.
Has he said where he's going to live when he's sold his house?
Well, Paul should do those silly temp boxes, don't they now?
So, you know, you could soon rock one of those bad boys.
I just think that you can strap it onto a 918 Spider.
Is he soon to be divorced as well, or has that kind of worked out?
Yeah, again, it's a kid.
You know, a 918 could work out cheaper, you know.
Yeah, so that's something I would like to proffer for the benefit of listeners at home.
What about you boys?
I think I've got any secrets I know of.
No, anything you've heard of, Sakeep?
No secrets.
I have been thinking recently, though, that with all of the Metzger GT3 fluffing,
the prices of 991.2 GT3s are now looking not cheap, but I think relatively undervalued.
And I think there's a real question about whether the 997.2 GT3 will overtake the 991.2,
but I haven't quite squared that circle yet in my mind as to how that's going to evolve over time.
And that's someone who thinks the 991.2 GT3 is an absolutely fantastic car
and certainly one that's on my wish list for the future.
Is that possibly a good place to put some money at the moment?
Might well be.
Interesting.
I think they are brilliant cars.
Brilliant cars.
You know, they're the four-litre GT car, so that's 991.2 and 992.1.
In terms of like an investment thing, I think that's the wrong conversation to be having right now.
They are just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant track cars delivering highly visceral driving experiences.
991.2 arguably more than 992.1.
We've discussed on this podcast previously with guests who own them how the 991.2 is just, you know,
has that more mechanical feel than a 992 generation car.
But I think for now as an investment piece,
yeah, it's the wrong conversation to be having, I think.
Yeah, yeah.
And I agree, you know, the conversation should be around driving them.
Look, you know, RPM Technic, I've got a God's Red Clubsport PDK car, 37,000 miles,
full service history, extended leather, bucket, Clubsport, PCCBs, lift, what else has it got?
I mean, it's a pretty fully loaded car and it's 95, right?
You know, 997.GT3s are now bumping up against that.
And so I guess the sort of question for the audience is more, you know,
how do we see the prices of those Gen 2 997 GT3s evolving against the 991.2 with, you know,
and that's a Metzger versus DFI discussion.
Yeah, for me, going to stick my neck out, I think 997s will absolutely overtake those cars.
And again, it just comes down to numbers.
As I said earlier on on this podcast, according to my calculations, which could well be wrong,
3,000 GT3s give or take in the UK, excluding RS, by the way.
10% of them are 997, just 10%.
So I think that alone will dictate on top of the fact the Metzger engine is genuine,
the Mon winning pedigree, which the 991.2s unfortunately don't have.
You can find a host of cars that are investment grade or if not just 100% enjoyment grade
on the 991s marketplace, head over to 991.co.uk forward slash Porsche marketplace.
Take a look at all the cars on there.
We warmly implore you to give our friends at Sussex Asset Finance a call.
If finance is what you're after for any of these, you can just fill out the form attached to every single car on the marketplace.
And that'll be sent directly to Sussex Asset Finance.
Chris and the team there can have a chat with you.
And we'll get Chris on the podcast soon, actually, to get the inside track on finance
because Chris, quite obviously, will know a lot more about this game than any of us will.
I mean, we've just spent all the money.
It'd be quite interesting to listen to this episode and give his opinion on our decisions,
whether we would make good bank managers.
Again, I'll go back to, was it Ben?
My mind has gone blank, or Jack, who was on the Island road trip.
He also came to the Ben.
Yeah, apologies, Ben.
He also came along to the London Solstice Drive and chatting with Ben at the end.
He said, what I love about NineWorks Radio is just the sheer lunacy of genuinely convincing everyone
that owning more than one portion is a great idea.
I have asked for that to be left as a genuine feedback on Google,
but yeah, maybe for that, maybe as the great enablers, we perhaps shouldn't be bank managers.
grandiose, that was the bank manager game.
Maybe we'll return to this concept in a couple of months or something
because I think the concept is quite fun.
The cars will always change.
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So now we've spent all the money.
Well, enjoy the drives, gentlemen.
The funds will be in your account in a matter of hours.
Oh, fantastic.
I'm looking forward to getting down on that beach in the speedster.
I love it.
I love it.
Sikib, thank you for your time, mate, on NineWorks Radio.
We really appreciate you taking us.
It's an absolute pleasure, as always.
Mega, mega.
Well, we'll see you and everybody else at home on another episode soon of NineWorks Radio.
Cheers.
Let's go.
About this episode
After a quick sponsor read and some personal catch-up, the hosts turn to Porsche investment “picks” and a playful bank-manager game: each person pitches up to three cars from the Namwax/9WERKS marketplace for the next five years, and the others approve or reject. The discussion ranges from 993 longing and 996/997 driving feel to underappreciated 996 C4S value, low-mileage GT4/GT3 spec, and paperwork/condition checks—plus a few specific picks like a Cayman R, a 986 outlier, and a 993 C2 cab priced at $82,995.
If you had to convince a bank manager to lend you the money for a depreciating sports car, what would your ultimate pitch be? Today, we’re putting our money where our mouth is.
In this episode of 9WERKS Radio, your hosts are joined by special guest panelist Saquib from the DNHC (Driven Not Hidden Collective) for a high-stakes, highly speculative game. We are scanning the virtual showroom of the 9WERKS Marketplace to answer the ultimate question: Which Porsches are actually going up in value right now?
The rules of the game are simple. One of us chooses a car currently listed on the marketplace and pitches it to the other two, who are acting as strict, risk-averse bank managers. To win the funding, the pitch has to be flawless. Is the car a guaranteed future classic, or is it a financial money pit? Would a bank actually release the funds in real life?
From overlooked water-cooled gems to air-cooled icons hitting a market sweet spot, we debate the numbers, the data, and the emotional triggers that drive Porsche values.
In this episode, we discuss:
The Bank Manager Challenge: Pitching real cars from the 9WERKS Marketplace.
Porsche Market Trends: What is driving values up (or down) right now?
Future Classic Predictions: The specific models we think are set to climb.
Investment vs. Enjoyment: Can you buy a Porsche to drive and make a profit?
Drop your investment picks in the comments—which car would you pitch to the bank?
Available now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.
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