Artist/Designer JON SIBAL of DC, MARVEL, Image and JONSIBAL Design Works

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John, siebel, welcome to the show, man.

Yes, sir. Thank you for having me.

Hopefully, I said it right who's?

And I said that because it's all squished together.

Usually, right? Sounds about right?

Don't siebel John Sybil. Yeah.

Is it John see ball and everyone's been wrong the whole time? No.

Not however you want to say it's fine with me.

So a lot of people know you as far as my listener base.

If they do a quick search on you, if they even have to do a quick search on you, they're going to see one of two things, but most people know you for cars as far as the industry that I met you in. So, how did you get started with

that? And this is kind of a loaded

question, but at what point did you decide cars was going?

Your thing to the level where you're at.

Now, you may have never even realized that but you know, take me back to that point where you're sitting in, I would assume maybe class and you're sketching, like, what's, what's seventh grade John doing? Ah, sounds great.

John was just trying to learn and not to get in trouble.

Because his doodling in his notebooks and things like V is five old Japanese anime in the Philippines.

And Really just all my life is always been influenced by Art and, you know, trying to draw and and it was just really fun.

Never really had a solid plan of like, okay, this is what I'm going to do with my life. And this is, I'm going to use my

art as a career. No, none of that really

happened. I'm just like, I'll, you know,

make it up as I go home and and see where it leads me, you know?

So, So yeah, it was it was it just you know, sequence of events kind of led me to what I'm doing now but it was never like my longtime goal as a kid of like I'm gonna draw, cars are designed stuff for cars, it was just more like I just wanted to make sure that whatever I do. I have some kind of Way to

express my artistic skills and abilities and and apply that to to everything. So you take a standard kid,

right? And you put them in elementary

school and everybody's kindergarten drawing.

Looks the same. It looks like shit and then you

know, as you start getting a little older and starting in the Middle School, sixth seventh grade.

I think that's when the kids Raw Talent, just kind of starts to separate itself from everyone else around.

So I kind of had the similar path as well where I was a young artist and everyone thought I was going to grow up to be big things but eventually you get around other artists and that's where you kind of find out where you're at.

In my parents, took me to a magnet school where I was an art class. And I remember I said that was

some amazing pencil artist paper sculpture artist.

I was like, you know what? I'm okay, but three people out

of the form. This table are really fucking

good. I don't know, at what point, did

you think that started happening for you?

Basically all my life. I mean, I'm never like the best

artist anywhere and always, you know, in a way like looking up to somebody else's work and I'm like, dang, I want to be like that or dang. I want to get to that level

whether as a kid just drawing, you know, cartoons are animes and stuff. And I would see somebody else do

it like effortlessly. And I'm like, Man, I suck but at

the same time, I use that bar to like up my own Bart in a way that I can kind of somewhat keep up, but I, you know, I actually prefer to have like you know guys that are just like solidly talented that can just whip out a good designer.

Or a good artwork. And and here I am just like mind

blown. I'm like how they do that, you

know, it's all perspective law rights already.

Yeah, I guess, right. It's all relative.

It's how you let it affect you. You either become better from it

or you you let it defeat you and you just give up.

So I don't wanna go the other way the ladder when I want to go with the former, why, where I mean the you know where it just holds your skills on a Daily basis because you have this set goal to just improve and prove and constantly, learn and adjust to different conditions and stuff.

So, what I'm hearing is, don't be like me and drop out of art school. No, you know, it.

There's no right or wrong after that.

All right. It's all about like, how, you

know, you dictate where you want to go?

Like, let's Speed Ahead now. So you have this career, And

your name has been associated with car design in an aftermarket and I imagine you might be getting brought up to do some factory work. Like, are you just pure

artistic? Expressional, aftermarket almost

more of the seamer, or do you actually get contacted by manufacturing houses to help was a few things?

How would I answer that without violating my NDA?

All right, all right. Yes, sometimes I'm still heavily

in the aftermarket industry. Although there are some OE level

type of projects that were working on but it's pretty much after market to where we design body kits and concept, you know, bills and stuff. But it's always fun whenever an

OE. It's you up and they want to

work with you and you know, With some ideas, you know, with them.

That's awesome. Probably like maybe you could

imagine that at some point in the past but for it to become a reality, it's got to be surreal at times.

Like, have you made it? Do you think you've, you know

that? Know, that's kind of a loaded

question, but yeah, it's okay. A little egotistical to but not

have you made it. I know what you mean.

It's to me. It's hard to say if I made it or

not because there's everybody Defines that differently.

Like how do you find, like, you making it?

Is it like you making a certain amount of money you being like, one of the guys that people just go to, you know, it's so many different ways to Define that but for me, like, I don't really pay attention to much whether I make it or not because I feel like if I immerse myself in knowing who I made it, then I think that it's more of a distraction to not.

Work my butt off to improve and to learn.

And you know, because I feel like you're running this Marathon bang and you finished a line in there, what you just stop running or you slow down? You know, I can do that.

So I'm too passionate. I think it to interested in this

in this thing to really even pay attention to.

If there was a Finish Line. If I ever made it or not it's

just to me is fun. You know.

So I just keep on going. Yeah you don't want to fall into

a sense of Complacency which I think is really easy for people to do it, can it can, you know, there are times where there's in a too many distractions to where it'll either discourage you or even just you just tired and you're burnt out and there's no creativity flowing. So a lot of those factors can

definitely slow you down but we just take breaks here and there and hopefully you could just be back up and keep on going.

What do you think that comes from?

Like, we all have this hard coding?

But is there was there an event was there something that happened was there a guy who pulled up in a badass car at some point in your past and kind of looked at you and said, hey kid, this could be you one day or like, where do you think that pulls from outside of being natural with it?

Good question, can you think of a specific point of time where it's like oh I got to work my butt off.

I think it's more of just life, you know.

I mean like growing up we never grew up.

Rich and my parents, they're all poor and I'm like first-generation here. And I'm like, man, I wish I can

just be comfortable and just do my thing and not worry about paying my bills but it's never like that.

It was always like you got, you know, do you know do your work and pay, you know, all your bills and just keep on going and it was never like I want to have a nice car.

All I want to have a nice house, it was never.

It was never that was never the motivation I think it was just like it was just nice to have such a fun hobby and interest that turned into a career and at the same time who I get paid doing it, right? So, yeah, I think the main

motivations really life. I'm not sure if that makes

sense. It makes it makes a ton of sense

because I think, Thank you know you're saying you know you grew up poor and sometimes people around, you're poor and you see that and it does something to you even if you can't really explain it. Yeah the back of your head even

as a child even if you can't remember your like I don't want to be like that. I don't want to I don't want to

have to struggle and I'm going to do whatever it takes.

And I think a lot of people get to that point but just having the intestinal fortitude and find something that you enjoy that that eventually because you weren't always on top of the world. I'm just going to call.

I mean you You made your a made man but no one would really know that, you know, like no one would know that about you.

What do you think people what would people say about John siebel huh? I don't know.

I mean I would like to find out to I'm not sure what they see me. I don't I'm not the most

interactive type of person online.

I try my best but I think I'm pretty much low-key and only You know, I try to be like somewhat of an extrovert online my personality but I'm really half-and-half, I'm I could be extrovert if needed to be in a group of friends, but I could also be pretty introverted and get tired of crowds and stuff.

So, I, I wouldn't know what people see or hear about me or what do want to say about my work or whatever.

But yeah, it doesn't really matter.

There you go. I mean, let me, Beyond that.

Okay, I'm gonna help you out on this one.

You are an incredibly humble understated individual.

Like, the first time I saw. You remember what I told you,

the first time I saw you or the when I when I look back to the first time I saw you, the first time I saw you, I didn't know you. Aha, I was talking to RJ and we

were at Monterey and you are walking with him and you were standing kind of off 15 or 20 feet waiting for him to finish his conversation with me and you guys just fail that was at the quail, okay, you guys just kind of walked off.

Off. And then the next time I saw

you, which was Otto, Kahn, Long Beach.

All right, because I still wasn't quite sure.

And you did the cool thing that any Creator.

Craters, listen to me. You're never, you can never be

too big for yourself because you never know what kind of inspiration is out there. You took the time to meet up

with me and sign my little John sibo car that's in the display case. Right?

Right, right. And you were, yeah, you were so

Gracious to me, told me how much you like the interior design of the car with a 3D printed. Like, for me, it was pretty

great it though. What you did was I was genuinely

impressed. Hey man.

Dude, I'm sure. Hey, I still have that photo on

my freakin for right now and I'll post that shit.

I'm like look, look approved because we all if we're into our craft, you know, at some point. We look because we know what

we're good at, but sometimes you need someone to help.

Help you with it. Someone to tell you if it's good

someone to just kind of help motivate you and inspire you.

It's a sense of validation that your hard work has paid off and I think, for you. Yeah, you're quite in your

humble, but you're busy, dude, right?

You mean, you just, you guys just busted out this 190e project and like, I have a feeling you have a stack of work in front of you, regardless, of what year it is, and what's going on in social media and that is validation.

And you're the guy behind the curtain, then everybody who needs to know knows of. And I think there's something to

be said about that. Thank you, man.

I appreciate that. And I you know, I think

everybody needs to kind of hear that once in a while and it is gratifying when you see fruits of your labor, you know, coming to, you know, fruition and coming to life in front of you.

And then hearing people actually dig in it and I'm like, oh really, Cool. But same time I, you know, it

wasn't, the goal is always to do the best work right much as possible. Just so that you can have all

this cool clients coming back for more.

Yeah. If you give them a good

experience and you give them more than what you promised.

I think it's always like a solid, you know, going on formula to do to work with. And, you know, so the Time,

there's another project that comes up, it's easier for your name to be included in it rather than you being kind of a hard artist to work with and then becomes almost actually bringing Mint or not and making sure he delivered the files on time.

Yeah, that's tough. That's tough.

You know, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

You gotta sacrifice and you know, it's work man.

You know, there's nothing really.

A mysterious about it. I guess.

So what you just said was, is extremely important to Young creators everywhere. Kind of dog, do you have?

I have a toy poodle rescued so I have a yorkie poo.

So he's half poodle as well and he just forced his way into my room and I just kicked him out. Gotta love our dogs, man,

because he does this thing where if you don't let him in the room he beats on the door and comes in.

It's a weird and he comes in. He looks around.

Fucking leaves, then you gotta get up.

You gotta, you gotta shut the door.

There are kids, bro. They are.

I mean they were facts like people don't who don't have hats will never understand that Bond. Right.

Right right. Yeah I mean it's cool man.

I guess what? I'm leaving that bark.

I'm leaving this old dog conversation of the podcast because you're stuck with it. Yeah, you're stuck with that.

So how long have you been doing? See more?

Jex, I think well I've been going to see my sins like 90 95, 96, some like that. That's why I said yeah, it's

been awhile and the But I never really been involved in any bills until probably later in 2000 like more.

Like I would like help out here and there but to where my name is actually part of the roll call or part of the credits in a press release. I think probably 2012 maybe even

though I don't know. Actually maybe even before that

I remember working with John pan clean and when he built a Scion tC Or something, I forgot. But for tuner Challenge and

scan, a told, you hit me up, he goes my buddy.

John is building this, you know, thing and you want to.

He's wondering if you want to be involved in it.

I'm like okay, you know, and these are my boys so I try to help them out as much as I can and I think you know the time I was just playing Photoshop you know, 2D graphic picture and then The stars of made, yeah, right, whatever.

Whatever you can grab your hands onto to get the project done.

You know. I had no idea what I was doing

really is just, you know, this is what they want.

And they want to have some kind of photo or image to send two different build Partners so that they can show them.

This is what we're building. So I'm like all right you know,

let me know my color let me know what wheels and I'll put something together for you. Guys, and then, you know, and

actually I think he won first place with that and I was pretty stoked. I'm like, dang dude as fun.

You know, and I just kept on, you know, going on after that and then yeah, but I never really got so involved until like, I myself entered that scienter challenge and I want.

And then I got even more work after that.

So I just kept on like it's like a snowball.

Oh, really. So was that the one like your

challenge or your collab the first time around?

You think that's the one that kind of set in place the John sebold that most of us know of today?

It's definitely a factor. I cannot, you know, disregard

the other, you know things that happen before and after that.

But definitely, you know me collaborating with John P definitely helped a lot because cuz, You know, without that I don't think I'll get other projects coming in and at the same time, while other parties coming in some, other people are also hitting me up for designs and stuff because at the time I think a lot of people were going with just hand-drawn illustrations and here I am just doing Photoshop stuff like

making stuff up. I'm not really.

I don't even know how to use Photoshop in the full capacity.

So I but I No just enough to get to where I can lower the car change the color and right you know pick their happens for the wheels. No no there's apps on my gosh.

But yeah man it's I think a combination of a lot of things and I think part of it also is location, right?

Like here in SoCal crap dude. It's like the mecca of

aftermarket car stuff and it's just a lot.

The Legends like staphylococcus. Whoo.

Yeah Stephen Papa Doc is yeah he you know Hales in here man.

I look up to those guys and when I was in the import show scene back in the mid-90s, the dragon of tax rate was the timing any of that stuff. No I mean I mean Stephen ba

baracus. Oh I don't know what I think.

I think you drag racing in a sex like in the note like that they import drags or something. Back in the late night, I'm not

sure, but I remember just wasting him one time at an event. He was diving this black Civic

and I was, I just got my BMW E36 and it was bone stock, it was automatic and he just blew the doors.

I mean, I felt like my card even left the, you know, the, the starting line and he was already in the finish line.

By the time, I see, you know, the green light hits, his car was so fast and I'm just like that guy.

Guy, it's just super cool. No, this is not for me, I'm your

ways but ya know guys that are in the industry back then who I competed with who I, you know, our friends with our now alike business, owners racing owners and you know, marketing managers and stuff. So Like I know this guy is like

back in the days and now it's kind of good to know them because you get the connections little bit you know.

So your name is easier to go around when people already kind of knew you from back in the days you know.

So that kind of helped to. Yeah.

So for our listeners in the creators out there, we're going to be listened to this networking organically.

Like not not a force networking, networking relationships and keeping your head about you not being too full of yourself.

Sounds like that's a Real important thing can't go wrong with that. For sure.

Networking and relationships is such a key.

You can be the most talented artist and Creator out there.

But if you cannot sustain a solid relationship and and properly communicate, I guess you can only go as far and and relationship again is just that's what keeps your client happy and coming back. Four more four percent.

So you have, well, let's talk about some of the cars before we switch gears here. So what are some of your biggest

collabs publicly? Not necessarily your favorite

but just biggest in your opinion and then what are a few of your favorites. If you're allowed to say that

without pissing other people off, sure this is always tough for me too. Pick because I put like my heart

and soul into each project whether it's a known Builder or it's someone that's just coming up and nobody knows, it doesn't matter to me because to me my own competition is myself like can I if I release this image and submit this to the client, can I do something better than what?

I just admitted. So then because of that effort

that I tried to put in it, almost becomes part of Of me, right? Like almost like my baby.

So, then, how do you now? Pick one baby that you put out

there to the other babies, right?

You also submitted to the your other clients, I love them.

All right? Almost equally like I find ways

like gosh, this piece help me improve in this part of my you know skill and our this project helped you understand how to work with this software. It's always different.

So and a lot of that to come It like who you're working with?

Sometimes they could be the most intimidating person but that the end of the project you're like, holy cow.

I grew so much because it's like things that would never probably have taken because either I'm too intimidated by this project.

But you know by just biting the bullet and going for it.

Most intimidating project, most intimidating project almost everything is intimidating because this is my attitude, right? I like to challenge myself.

So Oh, there's there's projects where I don't have any experience with it and it it's always scary when you're jumping in to some things and saying. Yes.

To without really having an experience doing it, you understand your reputation? Probably put you there, right?

So I'll give you an example that this is even before I got into the automotive industry, like, like, in the comic book industry that I was in pretty heavily and I started I got hired from a comic book signing and I'm just their look, you know, trying to see if I can get some kind of critique on my portfolio or might not really a portfolio because it's just really just bunch of sketches sketches. Right?

Right. And Rob liefeld, he's one of the

founders of Image Comics creator of Deadpool.

He saw my work and at the time he was just really starting in building their Studio up in Anna.

Haim and they needed artist. So he saw my work and then like

I said, I just wanted to get some feedback to see what I can improve on and what's good and what's bad and he just says he went to a job. Do you want to be an inker?

I had no idea what an inker is or was at the time.

And it was just like an inker. Sure, I'll do it.

Hey, I've never picked up this Crow quill, or any, or anything like that. It was a special Kind of anchors

use never in my life had used that.

But I said yes, just because and this is an opportunity, you know, you can't shy away from it.

If you gotta learn, if you gotta bend over backwards, to make sure that you grasp how to do the stuff, you know, then do it.

That's just been my attitude. So then like almost every

project I take on from then on really.

It's so intimidating to me because I'm like crap.

How do I do this? You know.

No, and if you do your research, you put time into, you know, learning and then it always for some reason.

Work works out, you know. So to that question, we kind of

tripped over on the other side of this of this coin, looking up information on you. There's a lot of John siebel

stuff and there's just a little bit of stuff that touches on comics and I saw the name and I go mom, what's this?

So I clicked on Jonathan siebel. Jonathan's about this may Alter

Ego know that is it was that an, is that an intentional way of you may be separating? Their fan base has, actually.

It's the way that came about is very interesting.

I, my full name obviously, Jonathan, my Filipino.

Like, what, my mom calls me is, I've done, which is very strange way. They could have called me John,

but they called me instead. Athen, which is like the second

part of Jonathan, right? And Then okay.

Yeah. And but but then the the weird

part is like, when I was getting credited for all my comic book work instead of putting Jonathan Sabol, it's too long.

So they shortened it to John Jo. N SI VA.

Alright. So it's like now, it's shorter

more concise and I'm like, okay, I'm cool with that.

I don't care really. So I just kind of like rolled

with it and now I'm just jump the ball.

You know, I'm so a lot of my earlier comic book work was in a, had a credit of Jonathan Sabol, and so, my editor still know me as Jonathan Sabol, but at the same time, I think because also social media and how things are now back.

Then, when we're doing comic books, there's really no social media. So, you know, even though I

switched over to John Sabol that wasn't getting published or spread around as much. Chaz like what my Automotive

workers has been shared now. So it could be a combination of

both. But I'm here right now.

No, I'm hitting you right now because you let me call your jhansi bowl and is John Sabol. I'll squish together like

plastic packages in my garage right now.

It works bro. It there's no right or wrong way

to say it. I go nuts.

If people call me Jay and buy me, buy me saying, that people are going to start doing that shit to.

I should call you jack. Hey, just you can do that.

We are joke. No no no no, no, listen to this

podcast. We are nobody will listen to

this podcast. So okay, so you've I mean so

we're well we can talk a Comics a little bit now because you've had some amazing success in both Avenues and I try to Tinker in that a little bit in my attempt to kind of cross pollinate cars with anime and a less focused. He Tasha kind of way, cuz yeah

or less forced etosha kind of way where I still wanted the people to like the car in my design.

For what that was And the anime people, who knew what it was to appreciate it, and then the people who didn't know what it was at all to still appreciate it.

But you, you've had that success on both ends.

I mean, is there anybody out there doing that or has done that with that kind of resume that, you know, of that, you know, obviously could be out there right now.

I'm sure there's people out there.

Like, I can't be the first and only one that has done that.

But, you know, even with my own interest, I'm not as well.

Versed, I don't think as you are with anime.

I only know. Very few.

Oh I don't I don't know. I don't know.

But but there's got to be other people that are out there that are a lot more talented, a lot more, you know, familiar with anime stuff and at the same time kicking so much.

But with car design stuff and any time I find those people I'm like, hey, what's up? We can be friends.

We'll see. That's the shit.

That's a shit right there. That I'm talking about the

humility. There's a I'm sure there's a lot

of people out there. There are a lot more.

More time to stop, stop. It's to do.

It could be but that's, that's what, that's what people need to know about. You is how you are and how you

approach the world and your mindset.

I mean, that's why you continue to have the success.

You have is because of that, that mindset, you know, you can be, there's, you could be on top of the mountain, but guess what?

The world's full of mountains, right?

Yeah. So there are deer as far as your

is as far as your peers, your peers, who would you consider your peers and don't say, everybody, You know, because like we all kind of measure ourselves around other people in the same interests and that's going back to where you're saying early. It's added motivation.

It's added inspiration. Like wow, I really liked how

John sub. All I really like how Johnson

ball designed a designer corner of that monitor.

I never thought about that. You know, I'm going to take that

in. Wow, that's really cool.

And then the other person None on the other side.

I like you could be saying danger.

Hey, that was really cool. Like looking at, you're not

looking at the other people because you already know for the most part. Like, you're on a certain

certain playing field. I guess, I who are some of your

peers in the auto design is like, like the Kaizen.

Then boys, you know, who are your peers?

Again, that's the same question as.

Like, you asking me like what's my favorite project or was it the most intimidating? Because like, I even remember

when you And I met up at Otto Kahn and checking out your NSX with all this little cool details that you put into the seats even like around the seat base and everything with all the details and stuff that to me, I try to take a mental picture of that and then I'm like, roof. That's a good one.

So it's just like taking notes from like each person that I meet or encounter and and like putting that into like a folder.

Of inspiration. So let not one person will give

me everything that I want or need.

But I feel that a lot of people can really offer a lot of cool little nuggets that when you put it all together can amount to some awesome treasure. You know, like I said, 2020 not

a problem. You don't have to this call, I'm

gonna go to sleep. I'm not gonna wake up to January

1st but you know it's true, that's the same reason why your car your NS. X made some waves because of

stuff like that. Even the Livery was a little bit

different than the typical Livery.

Right. You got that whole you know

Macross inspired, you know, print and it's not just even a in a clean print it was more of a distressed weather type of look to it. Nice texturing and everything so

stuff like that, you know, potential to details and then you meet another person and then they were able to Be so creative with Justin. Some small part.

I'm Mike Wolfe, that's pretty cool.

Gotta remember that. Mental note again.

Number two, you know, let me ask you this because between and we're going to go back and forth from cars and Comics, just conceptually from the outside. Looking in those things, the

skill involved, other than hand-eye coordination, and passion, couldn't be any more different.

So, in one sense, you're an anchor, which I did some research on that because I was curious myself like what the fuck is an inker and what are they?

And then if you're an anchor, then you're good with the sketch repetition first. Offer people listening, you

don't roll out of bed, like I used to do Sports art, you don't roll out of bed and know how to draw Michael.

Jordan, Scottie Pippen obviously, I'm from the 90s, you prep the practice over and over, you don't roll out of bed and draw Iron Man perfectly. You have to be so familiar with

all the lines on these comic book characters that it becomes second nature. And then you can kind of perfect

and hone your work. So looking back at some of your

older stuff. Is it?

Is it hard to differentiate the work you've done in 2018 versus 2020? Or maybe if you look at 2010,

you can be like there's, there's some stuff there that it just sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

I loved it for what it was. But you've made a design

correction that only you might notice and only the top people in your industry would notice, but someone like me would never know in a million. You're notice like we, do you,

do you see that in some of your old designs, every time?

Every piece I there was, I'm never 100%.

Ain't satisfied with any design when I look back at it.

You know. This is true for any artist, you

know, we're like our own worst critic, right?

So to where it's just like you look at it as like I could you know, tweak that a little bit o, that could, you know, that look kind of off. So all the stuff that, you know,

you could always adjust and improve.

You're really the only one that sees that stuff when you show it to other people, hardly really anyone will pick On that, I do have friends that can, but majority of the time, they don't know what they're looking at, or they would not even notice that little flaw. And, but for you, it stands out

so much like us if there's no other area of the design, except for that little piece that you did that, maybe the angle or a shoulder Defenders, wasn't properly, adjusted or contoured.

And it's not the radius is not, you know, large.

Enough or or it's too sharp, you know, stuff like that.

But in only you because you spend so much time trying to fine-tune it it's really only you that spots all those little things, but every time I look back, I'm like, crap I suck.

I got your bag. I think it's because people,

they fall victim to this and it's not their fault but they they look at the final composition.

Right? They don't focus in on the one

little thing and as you the designer artist, you know, that flaw because you built it from. Yeah, the ground up.

And then you see that the entire thing like wow, that is an, that is an awesome drawing. It looks so real.

And like, Eminem, I mean, not really sure my buddy.

Justin, Brian. You know, he's the founder of

jdo me, go of me and him. We spent a lot of time on the

phone together and he hates his stuff.

And I'm like, dude, man, I look at his stuff and I'm like, this is pretty dang good. And then, Look back at his

password from years and years and to where he's at now, I'm like look at your progress, dude.

You know, but he's the type of person that like after he's done with this design and project he looks back and he hates it, you know, I'm not that extreme correctly, understand what he, you know, what he feels and what he sees.

And but just like you. And I whenever we look at

somebody else work, we don't see any of that stuff.

We just see the whole entire Our presentation the whole image.

But the artist who made it are created that image, they know every single inch of that, you know, car and so they know, you know themselves what they could have done better or but it's I think it's just the nature of being an artist.

You know, we're always very critical or of our own work.

So you said you used to do but you still do this.

So with, with Marvel and DC, right?

So under a DC Comics forward slash talent and you say have the same page on marble Talent. Looks like you're credited with

at least 88 titles as an inker comma artist, at least from DC.

How many do you think, how many projects have you been associated with Marvel would? Like, I would like to know that

myself. I don't never really counted

each project. I was involved in, you know, I

started thinking comics, I think it back in 92 and still doing that. Now, I'm not as active.

I'm all I only have one book, we're working on Batman Earth, One graphic, volume 3, volume 2021.

I told you I looked I looked I be sad and and that's the only book that I'm working on now and even lagging on that.

But back then, you know, I wasn't doing any Automotive stuff. So my everything You know waking

up and going to sleep in between, it's just all comic books. There's nothing in between but

we put out gang load of titles and then even after Image Comics went to Marvel's are working X-Men, Avengers Iron Man Spider-Man and then went to DC Comics and started working on Batman and Superman and all those other titles I'm like whatever work comes around. I'll Take it, you know?

And I was fortunate enough to team up with very talented artists. Like let me tag along to

wherever they go. So if they went from Marvel to

d.c., they'll take me with them part of their team.

Yeah, exactly. So part of the style and and

look that they want because they want, don't want to experiment with other inkers. They already have a solid team

with them, so we just go wherever and yeah, it's just a blessing that way for the listeners.

How would you explain it? How would you explain what an

anchor is and what an inker does.

Good question. Okay, so this is I had to learn

this right when I first got hired because I like I said, I have no idea what an inker does. So when I think I'm coming

books, there's either just a writer or an artist with each the penciler, right? But really, there's multiple

Talent involved in the production of a comic books.

So it starts all starts with the writer.

Usually the writer and the pencil.

Are they collaborate about like The storyline the plot.

So the writer will then have a script, a full script of what the story is about, how break it down for 22 Pages.

Maybe even per panel in one page, how many panels three or four panels, basically, trying to tell the story?

So, he'll give that script to the pencil or the defense lawyer, will then decide. If the writer didn't dictate,

how many scripts are, how to tell the story per page.

The pencil rule then Break it down per page, draw everything in pencil. After that process, they'll hand

it over to us as an inker, to then we draw everything.

But using an ink pen incur. That's an anchor right now, the

some pencil Thursday draw super tight, meaning, every little details are already there, so you're technically, you're just tracing those other weirdos of the to you are on record.

It but right but but there are some that are a lot more loose so you can incur will almost finish the drawing.

But again with ink as a final piece regardless whether the penciler is loose or tight Consular, then the ink with a tinker's responsibility is to give distinction between the foreground middle ground and the background and you can do that by Varying your line weights. So for example, if Superman is

standing right in the middle of the shot you have him in the middle shot but the foreground is like a tree.

So you make that really limbs or the leaves little bit heavier lines and then the Superman becomes somewhat of medium thickness line and then the background like there's a cup building in the background. Those are all super thin lines

just like in a photograph. So it gives some kind of

Tension, you add more details to it.

You basically enhance what the chancellor has done without taking away from his own style. And, and then, you know, you

amplify some of those distinctions in depth.

And and after that, you know, we scan the pages.

We give it to the return. Basically, when you scan it

becomes digital, we send it Little file to the colorist, the color as well. Then I think they still use

Photoshop to color the pages. They used to, just use back in

the days. I was never part of it, but I've

seen guys where they have markers and stuff, create a guy markers and stuff as well. Yeah.

Great guys for the colorist to use.

But now I think some of the colors are just going straight at it and doing it themselves digitally and it's really cool.

Processor has another level. So, When it leaves our hands,

it's still black and white. The original Pages, Still

Remains black and white, the digital files are now colored and then that's where all the word balloons gets added in the editors comes in and make sure proofreads everything make any adjustments. That consumers are always

involved in this process. Making sure that every part of

the detail, you know, is that dress and never missed.

So it's about the work. Yeah I think on that.

Jess, I could handle the word balloons.

Like I'll get a job doing the word balloons.

I don't know, man. That part I do.

I probably wouldn't that you can try at em that, because I've seen the guys do hand lettering, like they actually hand.

Right? The, the word balloons.

Holy cow. Dude.

They're like, almost like a machine Learning System with that shit. Exactly.

But now, you know, you have different fonts and text that you can use the type in like a comic book style font, right?

But some of those guys who Hook hand writes this stuff.

I'm like she's and then they you know, they know how to do the word balloon properly, the right size and scale and it's an art form of the South where you don't want to cover up too much of the art in a certain small space of a panel.

So you got to decide that and then the they also know how your eye moves from left to right from top to bottom.

So when you they put word balloons, it's a pretty Thought out way to where the next balloon will flow with the next one so that you don't skip a dialogue.

Just because of that one, placement of the word balloon.

So, never mind, I'd be, I'd either have to quit or be fired two balloons and I think I might be better.

All right, let me go back here. No, I think you explained the

anchor thing perfectly because I imagine it is the pencil Assist work on a list penciler, Chancellor.

The pencil is sounds like a movie like this.

Vincent's sort of penciler admits.

It's a flat 2D, sort of loose, lighter sketch, and then you basically bring it to life with dimensional value.

That's one of the things I was like, yeah.

Just like you were saying with the tree the Superman in the background. It's like there's a, there's a

everything can't be the same line weight or else.

It's just looks like this. Funny looking thing.

Have some fun questions for you before we get to our ventric, you a question. I'm not going to ask you what is

your favorite comic? Book house and I know a lot

easier. I got you, I don't know.

A lot of people go back and forth as far as working.

You know, you can work on DC for five years and go and work for marble and then go work it image and then dark, or even a dark horse are still around, but for the movies since I don't know if you were have some sort of involvement or if it's part of India but MCU or DCU, If you can't ask me that question dude I just did because I think I'll tell you this I'll make it easy on you as far as action heroes go.

I think Batman is my favorite overall, agree.

Although I'm a big fan of Iron Man from the comics.

When I was a kid, you know, in the DCU kind of like some of the actors in there but they just have a ways to go.

So I don't know. I really enjoyed Batman on print

and on screen as This here. He's if you think about it like

especially I think his he was highlighted on, you know, Batman vs Superman. Where this guy doesn't really

have any kind of superpowers compared to like Superman or other superheroes you know but something about him like the way he looks the way his gadgets. His cars.

Did you like that movie my favorite Batman movie our version of Bad. Men is anything crystalline

Batman, The Dark Knight, you know those to me.

Christian, right, just because of the story.

Like I love how they portrayed a joker and it's just everything about like the character and the movie and the storyline behind it. I think it's just so so solid.

Did you like Ben Affleck as Batman?

He's good and better than others.

But Was that it was that a safe response like I had trouble of that year. Was that really you?

No, no. I'm just being honest, I think

it's hard to think of anything else that compares to Christopher Nolan's type of bathroom.

It's just not because of Christian Bale.

Either is just goes back to the like how that the whole vibe and feel of those movies dark night with the joker and everybody.

It's just, I don't know if any email versions of Batman that can come close. I just love them.

I'm going to agree with you on that because, well, I don't consider that part of the DCU technically, although it's, you know, the the DC Universe but not, as we know the MCU mmm.

I love that trilogy and I like Ben Affleck as Batman.

I like seeing an older pissed off at the world.

No longer interested in just arresting people, Batman.

And I think, I think he got that that movie and I He got her a kind of a rough deal there, but I guess he left on his own, his own terms. Mmm.

So I don't even know. I don't keep up.

I think, I think you thought the script just sucked for the next moving. He said I don't want to be

associated with his or something like that so I'm not sure I'm not sure what happened. But yeah, I mean the old Dark

Knight trilogy just got me just because you know from starting to the end. I'm just so in tune with it and

yes, it is on the darker side and I know I'm You make fun of that. Hi, this is Academy.

So dark, you know but I love it and I don't know you love it, you know. And one more very important

question for you before we get to the to Fan Q&A.

So you still got some time for me.

Go for it either. Man.

So this is important knowing everything we've learned, and I hope this has been very, very quality conversation for fans of yours. Is you've been in the car world

for a long time. You have a past Past and a

present, and probably a future dealing with Comics.

Essentially you are into incredibly big spots.

You are incredibly humble. Incredibly grounded.

You don't have a verified social media account.

I don't well, that in Instagram I think on Facebook, I do, but not. Yeah, and you could easily be

verified. I have a feeling that that's not

very important to you. It would be nice, is it?

It would be nice. I don't lose sleep over it.

Let's put it that way. It's not like a goal that I put

myself into to be verified but I would be honored to be verified.

Obviously it would be awesome but it's have too many other goals right now. It's just getting projects.

Done is the goal right more than being very I think they're being verified is a benefit of hard work and and you know good work that you put out there. But it should never be a goal.

There's a verified trash out there.

I think, with some people, it's a good clout thing, but to get verified means you, it opens up so many doors.

It doesn't, that's why for you. It would be nice.

But man, your look what we just talked about, I mean, you've done and you continue to do and you will continue to do things that people dream of having the opportunity to do through their hard work. So, right, right, you know what

I like? She'll all this accolades and

being verified and whatever Awards right there of Great Value, because then that leads to more doors, being open and more opportunities, but that should only be looked at as a benefit of your own hard work and making sure that you put out the best work that you can do for your clients for yourself.

And then all those little things can come along with it, you know, so this y, whether you're verified or not, whether you win Awards or not, whether you win competitions or not, it doesn't matter anymore because you're like, I said, your I'm My Own competition. Works competition is I'm

competing with myself, trying to outdo my last design, you know I mean what's next? What's what's out there?

If what's a dream opportunity? If someone were to knock on the

door and be like Like John, we know who you are.

We want you for, for this project.

Like, what's some sort of fantasy Next Level thing?

Like what's left for you? Because it has to be something

other than pushing yourself to be better.

Every time there has to be like, man, that would, that would be nice type of deal. I have friends in the movie

industry that are, I'm just so blown away, what they're doing.

One guy, for example, is Andy Park and me and him we started in comic books. I used to think him on like Tomb

Raider, and all, they're all this other titles.

I think the last book I work with him on was Men.

And now he is working for Marvel entertainment.

He's like the main guy behind movies like Ant-Man Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, or, and, and I look at

this stuff and I'm like, dang, this is the same guy that I used to work with. He's really good friend of mine.

He's actually like the best man in my wedding, wear that tight and I still look at him, like, who is this guy?

He liked level. So fast and so much.

And I think it's really because of the environment that he is in, there's a lot of talented people in that industry.

See, you cannot just be the same guy.

You gotta keep on improving and stuff, so, whatever future holds for me, I just want to make sure that I can keep up, you know.

So I thought there's no one specific project.

Jake. I want to be involved in there's

just a lot like even animations, even greedy printing.

You know this whole 3D modeling was never a goal but it just because I got so tired of like doing 2D Photoshop stuff that I'm like I gotta get to the next level which is I felt like 3D modeling was was that level and even though I was combining both, you know, so whatever. The next big thing is, I just

want to Sure, that I can keep up.

Andy park, where you at? I think apartment.

Maybe you get to a certain level where all you can do is just keep maintaining and staying on top of your game, like next, man up because you never know, right?

It's like, the somebody has to come from from above in.

Maybe, pull you up with them like yours.

There's got there's a ceiling. I think in everything we do it.

Maybe you're just hanging around the ceiling.

Yeah. Just you know and just doing

your thing. Ready for some Q&A?

Go for it. Awesome.

Okay. Well it's time for the Q&A

segment. By NSX Channel and Instagram,

your number one, source of NSX content in a sex channel on Instagram. Okay, so Jay neki.

Ask you how have you seen the digital artist reformat evolved in recent years? It's it's been moving pretty

fast and progressing really quick in my eyes because to me, I've always wished for this time of type of thing to happen.

Because in the beginning, like I said, there's really hardly that many people and people are doing it are just doing it either for casual, you know, hobby type of thing.

But a lot of designs right now are popping up again.

Thanks to social media. Here.

You know, we were exposed to all this stuff but it's been pretty good. I love how its progressing again

because not just because of the people behind it.

But at the same time, the software's that are available are getting more more powerful. I think in, you know, the artist

can get really creative with it and using it.

So progressing very, very nicely.

It's good answer. Here's our here's a fun one.

So possum killer MK6 asked what's the best and worst Halloween candy? I don't know.

I don't know. I never had that candy where I

so bad at. I want to spit it out but we

did. You do trick-or-treating go

around and get all that stuff because some people don't do it, you know. But yeah, that's been too long

underrated. I'll let me out here.

Candy corn sucks, candy corn stalks.

Yeah, I Yeah, candy corn. All right.

So Venom 2049 asked if you could make any of your okay.

This is it. This is a question.

You probably get a lot. Okay.

And I already know the answer but you have to pick one for Venom, okay? Venom 2049 asked if you could

make any of your 3D renderings, real.

Which one would you pick? Do I have to pick one?

Yeah, he says. Any horses any?

So instead of? Oh yeah, which one would ever

single one? Dude, every single one I love.

The mall. It's so hard to pick up like

scrolling right now on my page and like, gosh, how do I pick?

That's fair. Yeah, another solid, I love

them. So that's what I'm already

exists. So yeah, there you go, people.

Listen to that. Some of them already exists, the

dream. So Brian Barfield ask, oh God

this is a duplicative question, man.

Brian, all of them, they're all his favorite projects.

All right, they're all at the at that time.

At that moment in time they're all his favorite projects so Catherine Cox thank you, Catherine for Alyssa.

Thank everybody for listening to show but it's obvious you love what you do. It's conceptual to the whole

thought through the sketch, through the renderings, to the final product. Is there a favorite phase of a

production that you enjoy the most?

Oh, good question. I love the part of Brainstorming

like the initial part of just talking to a client and coming up with ideas. Like for this reason recent

project, we just unveiled at 190e, I sat down with Chris and I are we did a lot of Zoom calls in between but deciding unlike which Livery to use in looking at like reference photos.

I love that part. Because they have their own

ideas. I have my own ideas and then we

put them in a pot and mix them up and see which one comes up.

Because I feel like I learned a lot from different people that I work with. So, and I take that with me to

the next project in this following project after that.

So, I think conceptualizing brainstorming always gets me excited because it feels like, oh, so fresh and so new, you know, and then once you have a solid Direction and vision, then you move forward to execution on a 3D model.

But yeah, it's always good to know that the other brainstorming I get it. There was a good question,

Catherine's good at those. So Jamie Goodman asks and I was

bagging on this vehicle. So this is why probably ask this

question? What are your thoughts on the El

Camino? El Camino, I love them.

They're good, are they? Yeah man.

I mean design-wise obviously it's not for everyone but car and a truck come by the both. Why not?

There you go. Jamie.

There you go. Mr. Red!

Red rambling podcast has been Vindicated by the great John.

Sabol, you're ugly. All right.

So Krishna Krishna strass. What's your opinion?

This is kind of fun to what's your opinion on the model is appearing and disappearing. Is it just a silly prank by?

Is it a group? Like what do you think's going

on with that? I saw screws or rivets in it,

dude. So I thought it's the one they

found in Utah. Right?

The yeah, I thought it's all this to.

I really wanted to believe though until I saw the day rivets around the the edges. I'm like you know, aliens will

be using rivets. No, no, no, that should be it

should have been like Smooth. Solid, dude.

Solid triangular like a Polish King good-looking and to me.

It's easy, right? So they had the one of Utah's,

and they have the one somewhere in Europe or somewhere, right?

Next time, this thing pops up. You just go out there.

You set up a freaking camera, right?

We have the technology for that and you just leave, don't even announce it just leave when there's someone to find it and then wait for someone to move it.

Yeah, busted. Yeah.

No, it was a fun concept and it, you know, whoever thought Of it.

I'm sure they're laughing the bot off just because it's like it worked you know it got people's attention and now it's still in the news and I can't believe we're still talking about it. I mean they're in everything is

game in 2020, right? All right, Tony Tony.

Dude, as if your houses, your been for you, it sounds like, I mean was it? Some people?

It's destroyed their lives. Some people.

Fortunately, they just been able to stay busy in some cases, even more busy like how does this work out for you?

For what you do? A lot of customer impact.

In the beginning, the beginning was very scary, everything stopped like no work was coming in know people calling, nothing, it was just like, oh what do we do?

So for a few months, it was kind of like that.

So you almost like thinking what can we cut down on our lifestyle so that we can pay the bills. We can pay the rent.

Pay that whatever, right? But then we're kind of start to

slowly. Trickle in I think just because

everybody's adjusting to working from home.

Nobody can shoot and do cars like, you know, openly and you know freely. So they want more digital

content and stuff. And then that's when, you know,

work starts coming back again. And to the point now to where I

feel like, I'm not sure if it's true, but I feel like it's probably busier now than ever, you know, at least for me work.

Old wise, but yeah, but I'm always kind of still suspicious because 2020, you know, right? Johnny been great.

I really appreciate you coming on the hard parking podcast.

If people want to reach out to your not hard to find Jo n siba, l just type it anywhere and it'll bring up one of your 500,000 designs. Thank you, man.

Thanks for letting me be part of this.

I'm honored and I'm glad that we got to do.

Finally, do this been talking about this forever.

So that's my bad. Are you one final question for

you? Yeah.

Where's my cyber truck? Where's my little McGuire's

Tangy this year? Got blown up?

Yeah, your cyber truck is here. But what's even funnier is your

the NSX pin that you gave me, they're all in the same stash and I cannot find it. But I kept it in a safe place.

I kept it in a safe place to where I'm like.

Okay, nobody's gonna throw this away, nobody's gonna touch it.

I was gonna steal it. Same with those things are going

for. I did, dude is nuts.

People need to understand something.

Yeah, exactly. It's not because it's my fucking

car is because there's just not a lot of them out there.

No, I'm sure it's part of it. But it's it's just amazing how

much this thing go for even those.

That's my God. Fire trucks.

That depends that we did everything giveaway.

I had to check online on eBay. Just to see how much you're

going for the last item. That was sold, was went for 200

bucks for those materials. I'm like, yeah, McGuire's rig.

Yeah, I'm like, huh. Oh my gosh, 200 bucks, dude.

It's crazy. It's just you.

And I talking if you sold it for a Wagyu steak earlier in the year, I get it. Unfortunately, I don't have any

more but I guess. No, no, I promise you.

I have your NSX stash in a safe place where that safe place is I have yet to find and remember because I know if I find that your nsf's, then I'll find the Cyber truck because I wanted the world to be happy and that will be happy.

One of the things John Sabol for coming on the show, one word, I think of when I think of John after having that conversation is authentic, John Sabol is authentic.

And for all the Creator's, all the new listeners who tuned in specifically just to hear him, there's a lot of talent in the world, you have to stay authentic to yourself and you have to be authentic with people because if you're not authentic, then what are you that interview that interview with John?

It was Amazing perspective that this guy has mad respect to him for keeping it. Real real with himself, real,

with the people, real with me. Damn, that was good.

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