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All right, on this episode of the program, I review the Aston Martin DBX that I drove for a week.
That's the DBX-S. Also, Zach and I had a little go in a prototype of a Gunther works,
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That part is nice. I'm the last person in the fucking earth that writes checks. I'm probably
the youngest person writing checks today.
Yeah, once I figured out I could pay all the people for driver's test via like
Zell or whatever, then checks were out. It's great.
I like checks. It's a waste of paper. It's a waste of money on stamps. And yet,
I, because of this, it's the same as this, because of hand-to-paper, I know, I kind of
know if the bill has been paid or not. You have way more bills being paid, and I think we need to
keep check of way more of it. Not, you know, the king of fucking checks is Marco. Marco at TLG.
This motherfucker, he's probably listening, probably listening right now. This motherfucker
pays all his vendors with checks. Like every part he buys for customer cars, he writes a fucking
check for that. Wow. He told me how much time he spends writing checks. What the fuck?
He learns about credit cards. Well, because his, I mean, this, I mean,
obviously Marco manages a few other people, but his, for him, time is real. I mean,
he's billable hours. I was like, bro, you could be billing these hours to somebody.
For me, to do, I do about 50 checks a month, I think. That's probably what I do.
Okay. How long does each check take? Let's say you have the bill and for you, you've got the check
and the pen. I would say like, I would say like three, three days a month, I spent three to four
days a month. I spend 15 to 30 minutes writing checks, which is acceptable to me. That's like,
my time on a, on a, on a, my office time is not that valuable that I could, I can do that. It
doesn't bother me at all. But like, you know, Marco's got what eight, 10 hours in a day and he
charges fucking whatever, you know, 275 an hour or whatever he charges to build motors. If he's
doing an hour and a half of checks every day. I don't think he's doing that many a day. 90 minutes
a day. He told me he's doing an hour of checks a day. That's too many. That's too many. I was gonna
say, I thought he took like a 30 minute, you know, he can have a coffee, he can chill, he can go,
especially in the summer in his, you know, his, well, his new building, I think is air conditioned,
but the old one, no AC, but his office is air conditioned. So he could go chill for a little
bit. And look, I, Marco, 90 minutes. Guy's a successful business owner. He's got a,
he's got a great, great house. His kids are take care. He's got fun toys. I'm not trying to
criticize. He's got a fucking, he's got a system. It takes like eight months to get in the door at
that place. It's not like he's got a problem with business, but like, you know, that's the thing,
I guess, you know what I, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I just, I just solved it in my own head.
He is essentially a, a, a, a customs agent in Charles DeGaulle airport. When you have an eight
month backlog, it's if I'm, if I'm going to take an hour a day to write checks, like you'll be,
you'll be ready when I get to you. I think there's some of that. I think I've just solved that.
Yeah. I hadn't, I hadn't really thought that all the way through when I started down the road,
but now it makes sense. If you've traveled through Charles DeGaulle with a tight layover,
he's behind that window. We could automate the process, but it's less romantic.
Yes. It was stamp your passport after the, after the cigarette. But my plane, it's now,
you should have tried harder. This is not America. This is not America. Take a break.
It's not America. No, relax. Oh, it's great. Oh, you know, maybe a little revolution, maybe
a little protest. I shouldn't be so mean to France. I like France. And Charles DeGaulle
has really turned it around, actually. Charles DeGaulle has legit turned it around. Yeah,
no, they finally started giving a little bit of a fuck, if you may. They also understand the,
the effectiveness of, how do I say this without our whole channel getting kids, like protest.
Yeah. Like, you know, they really, they really get together. Oh yes. The French know how to
fucking protest. It's really in their DNA. They will shut shit down. Yeah. You know,
who's really got the fucking horsepower to shut shit down? I'm just saying, garbage men,
fucking garbage men. Oh, they did that New York thing, right? I would remember, like,
when I went to Scotland two years ago on vacation with Denver during the Bitman strike. Yeah. Fuck,
man. It was gross as hell. But I was, I was like, I was so for the garbage. They were getting fucked.
They were outright getting fucked. And they were like, no, or not. It took a little bit.
Yeah, eventually they, they, they go, wait, what are these numbers? Okay.
There is an amount of trash that virtually everyone will find unacceptable and it doesn't
take very long to get there. I think that happened in New York City. Like, New York City is weird
because they, they put the trash bags, like on the street anyway, and then the garbage picks
them up, which my first time there looks really weird. But when you see the strike happen, you go,
oh, the mountain could be much higher. So it's not, it's not a pile. It turns into a mountain.
Yeah. I think Zoran can fix that problem. I think that's a fixable problem.
What? Like a new garbage, like, you know, the garbage funds allocated to bins that the garbage
actually goes into. I think they, I think it's a space issue. I mean, you know, New York,
like every building, if they're jammed next to each other, where do you put that big dumpster?
We're gonna have to give up some of the free parking in New York City to make that happen.
Oh, like the street parking? Yeah. I don't think that's a good idea. The people that need the free
parking. Listen, Pave Paradise. Pave Paradise argues that that is actually an incredibly poor
use of resources, free parking in New York City. That's some of those valuable land on the planet
and it's being given away for free. Now, but how do we determine value? Because if people who live
in the buildings, and let's say they've lived there for 50 years, they need their car, they have free
parking. They don't, they can't afford to pay for a lot. They can't afford to pay to park.
Now, I'm not saying all that you want to land into something that's more commercially viable.
Is that what you're saying? No, I trash. I want, I want, I want, I want the trash to not be on the
sidewalk. That's what I'm talking about. Private equity was with you until you went to trash.
I didn't say commercially viable. I said fucking trash valuable. I want to turn a couple spaces
a block into a public utility where the trash goes. That's what I'm talking about.
Okay. It's like one, I don't know. I don't know anything about the volume of garbage.
I didn't say get rid of all the parking. That's not what I said. But
if I'm objecting as your opponent, whether you are an urbanist or a capitalist or someone that
believes in like effective use of like public lands and the proportional value of those,
any way you look at it, free parking in Manhattan from any angle, even the rightiest,
righty free mart is giving that away is bad for, for everybody. Like it's, yeah,
the high cost of free parking by Donald Shoup is a must read as well as paved paradise by Henry
Graybar. Must, must reads. Very, very interesting stuff. You want to fucking, I'll go parking all
day. I'll go seven hours on parking if we have to. Nobody wanted to listen to that podcast,
but Henry was great. I thought he was super interesting. Anyway, cars, I guess. Yeah,
there are cars. We could talk about cars. Let's talk about the DBX. The DBX. I, I, I,
this is an niche vehicle, obviously, because clearly everybody can afford a $409,000 SUV.
Uh, so why does it bear if your parking is free, if you have more money to buy a car?
I'll tell you what, if you get one of these in street parking in New York City,
your heart is fucked and I'm here for it. I like that. I mean, look, I could park,
I could park a dollar car here, right? Or I could lease a car. Yeah. So this is my creative
math as your political opponent to prove that parking should remain free in New York City.
Back to the DBX. It works out. I'm sorry. What did you, what did you just say?
You could park a dollar car here. The cost, the cost of parking a car at WCCS
is X. Yeah. Now I could take that exact amount of money if I had free parking,
and then I could just lease a pretty nice new car. Yeah. But if parking's not free and I have to pay
these, these prices, which are fair for the market and for the services, but if I have to pay these
prices, then I can't afford that car. That's true. I'm going to have the red showing behind me soon.
Go back, go back to the Aston. I'm way off base.
What I like, why this, why this is worth talking about actually, to me, is that it's not a platform
shared vehicle. Like it's not like, like an Urus. You go drive an Audi Q8 and you go,
oh yeah, I can, there's a lot. It's kind of the same here. Not to disrespect Lamborghini.
You could say the same thing about a Cayenne or about the little Lexus GX and the Toyota Landcruiser
or whatever. It's like, this is not platform shared. And to have a non-platform shared vehicle
is like, it's more exclusive, right? Like it's, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a
tarted up anything. Like all of the stuff in this is, is this. Like it's not like a
GLE Mercedes underneath there. Right. And so that, I think, makes it
like the Pure Sangui, I guess, more special. I agree. And that justifies,
just quote, let's quote, quote, justifies, right? Because we're talking about silly,
silly rich money. Justifies that it's more expensive than a Cayenne Turbo GT or an X5M
competition or some other of your standard ultra-fast SUV, right?
But I think it does justify that because when we've done reviews about, you know,
Uruses or other cars like that, a lot of the comments will say, it's really just a Q8.
Yeah. It's just this underneath. You can get that for less money. Why would you buy this
when you could get the same thing effectively, but you know, different badge, different interior,
and it costs half the money? So I think that's a legitimate benefit.
It's, it's the thing I like most about it, actually. And then next to that,
I actually, I love how these things drive. And so this is the S, the DBX S. So it's,
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back to the show. It's got a little more horsepower. It's 717 horsepower.
And it's funny because in the marketing, they're like, oh, it's got the turbos from the Valhalla,
which is a very funny thing to say about a car that's not out yet. I'm sure that's good.
It makes 10 more horsepower. So like, okay, maybe that's how you get 10 more horsepower.
And these are more powerful turbos. I kind of understand. But we don't actually know if the
Valhalla's good. I assume it's going to be reasonably good. But we don't know.
It's an excellent marketing term, though. That's what it is.
Right. It's got these fucking sick turbos from this other car. And it's like, well, we don't...
Can we try the other car? Anyway, it's a funny thing, but it's just a funny marketing jargon
thing. But in practice, what it means is power band's a little higher. So it just... Everything's
moved up a little bit because it's got these bigger turbos that take a little longer to spool.
So actually, I think the base one, which is the 707 now, is a little better for your everyday
use. This is a little aggressive in terms of the power band, which doesn't have much below 3000.
This is the Porosongue problem, where we're like... It's a little bit.
The V12 is amazing, and it sounds great, and it's Ferrari. But for a usable SUV,
most people want to live in torque land down low.
It's a little bit of that. And then also, so the other things that make it really cool,
it has some reprogrammed steering geometry, not the rack. So it's got sharper steering,
but without rear steer. That's pretty cool. The steering is really nice. The ride is really good,
but it's got... It has some weight savings. So it has a new front and rear end that saves...
I don't want to get their number wrong. The new front and rear end saves...
The new nose saves seven pounds, and the new rear end saves 15 pounds. That's body work.
The carbon fiber roof saves 40 pounds, and then it has 23-inch magnesium wheels, which save
42 pounds of unsprung weight. So the 42 pounds of unsprung weight, that's a shitload.
10 pounds a corner is pulling a ton of weight out of this car. And so it's incredibly agile.
You can get wheel spin in four wheels when you're doing launches with it.
It drives great. Now, I'd be really worried about driving around on 23-inch magnesium wheels.
That's a huge wheel. The option is 22 grand. And if you crack one, I bet you
that's the cost to replace one. Because remember when Ryan broke a magnesium wheel and the way to
lift in his GT4 RS? Oh, yeah. So those magnesium wheels are like 13 or $15,000 when you buy them
with the Wysock pack on Porsche. And he broke one and Porsche wanted 19 for one. So I don't think
that's a uniquely Porsche problem. I think these wheels are probably sold at a loss
on the car as part of a package. They bleed the cost into something else.
And really light wheels work. They help the car do everything better. But also,
they're all just so fucking expensive. I would be so nervous about driving around LA.
Wait till you see my road and track column this month. It's all about
these wheels and the potholes that we got during the rainstorm. That's my whole column this month.
This car, it's gotten pretty. They've really, really dialed in the stroll era of Aston Martin,
DB12, the updated Vantage to where it is now, the 707 and now this,
the new Vanquish. Pretty on point, honestly. Pretty, pretty good. These are very desirable cars.
The DBX 707, when we drove it, were like, this is the one. All these attributes you're talking
about, fun to drive, handled well, felt pretty agile, sounded great, looked amazing, had better
shock tuning than the lesser one. All of that stuff was already true. So I'm glad they didn't ruin it.
Then they just update. This was probably the car, I don't know, needed the least updating because
some of the other ones, the interiors were just so cheap feeling compared to the costs of the car,
the speed and sometimes the exterior. But I think the redesign they've done with their
flagship cars inside and out has really been something to celebrate. This was like,
they didn't mess with it too much. They didn't need to mess with it too much. Good.
Yeah. The only thing that this one, and maybe there's still time because this hasn't fully
launched in the US yet. I got it a little early. The mandatory ADAS thing, they got to get out of
this. This is really bad news. Nothing ruins a luxury experience. Then a car that doesn't
remember the setting that you left it in. If you have a car, it's a car that is the kind of car
that you set up for you, your memory seat and your fucking radios and your drive mode, your
individual drive mode and whatever, your personal ADAS settings, whatever they may be.
Imagine you spend a lot of money on that car and whatever settings you value, the seat,
the radio, fucking whatever. It's just not there the next time you start the car. It's back to a
default. After you've spent $400,000 on this car and you could get hoodwinked as fuck with one of
these. Imagine you go to a dealer to test drive one and you get in it, you drive it, you hate the
ADAS, you turn it off on the test drive. The salesman doesn't tell you that it comes back on every
single time. Fully, not just Lane Keep Assist, there's a five mile an hour over the speed limit
chime that comes on. Every time you start the car, my friend. You can't turn the limiter up for that.
Full, full ADAS, dude, every time. Do you know how many times the Lane Keep Assist
steered me directly into a fucking pothole? I try to turn it off every time because it's
unusable. It's horrible. But also, I would forget because of course I fucking would forget,
because anybody would forget having to do this. I mean, eventually.
Well, or it wears you down. If you're running errands and you have four stops to make, on the
third one, you're like, I'll just leave it on. I don't want to deal with it. And I haven't,
it hasn't gotten in the way yet. And then on that route, you encounter a pothole,
you try to go around it and it's like, how do you leave the lane? Exactly. And then it pushes you
back in. With your 23-inch magnesium wheels. I mean, imagine going to the dealer and going,
the software made me drive into this thing and go, you dick. 20 grand, thank you. You know what I
mean? Right. And like, you know, like you can forget and leave it on and you can get 10 or 15
minutes up the road before something weird and you go, what is going on? And furthermore,
this particular vehicle, which I don't think was necessarily pre-production, but it's, but
sometimes it would take the center screen, not the car itself, but the center screen
up to 60 seconds to turn on, not to turn on, but to like, to like power up and like it shows the
cars like logo. Yeah. Effectively, effectively to boot. No, sometimes it would take one second.
Same with the Ferrari 12C. Same exact problem. Sometimes it would take a few seconds or one
second or half a second and sometimes it would take 60 seconds. Here's where that becomes
majorly problematic. You need it to turn off the 8S. You can't turn it off with a hard button.
So if that screen doesn't boot up, can't turn it off. That sucks. You know, because it's one hard
button press. It's like right. Yeah. That one of them. It doesn't matter. It's one of those on the
right. Yeah. The one that one, the third, the, yeah, that one, the second one down on the right.
You hit that, it pulls up a menu. You have to hit one touch thing and then another touch thing.
But if the screen's not booted up and look, that's a big problem. Well, this is something we've seen
in a lot of cars because they're adding more complicated graphics packages, more features
and stuff. But if they don't increase the hardware with more GPUs and whatnot, it just takes so long.
It's an old computer running the newest OS. That's what it's doing. And I think it's problematic
when climate control is through there, navigation is through there. Yeah. Just, and I know everyone's
like, it's only, it's only a minute. I know. But if your car did this, if your phone did this,
it would be very frustrating when you hop in the car and you're like, all right,
where are we going? And you're sitting there and you're waiting and you're waiting and you're
waiting and you know, you'll get your directions in one minute. It's kind of just a while.
And I forget because I forget if the temperature controls, which are manual scrolly wheels,
I forget if they worked while the screen was booting up. Like if you could change it,
like I forget. I think you can. Does it indicate the change you're making though?
Yeah, I think it's the very bottom of the screen. Oh yeah, I see that. That black bar is where it
does it. It's like, I forget if it did it. Like, but if your car is, if it's Arizona in the summer,
or fucking Maine in the winter, it will matter. If you can do those things. Does it boot up quicker
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In order, this has CarPlay Ultra. In order to, which is very funny, when Aston launched this
as part of the thing, one of the reasons that they said that they wanted to do it was that
people, their customers had multiple Aston's and they wanted it to be the same across their whole
family of cars. All right, I don't know anybody who has multiple Aston's, but you know your customer,
let's go. Since then, I've used it in three different cars. The first car was very problematic.
The second car was a little less problematic, but in order to get it to work, I had to delete
the first car off my phone. This car, in order to get it to work, I had to delete the last car
off my phone also. That is ironic as hell. Apparently, you cannot connect to multiple
Aston Martins. All right, so there's that. Maybe if you change the name of the car,
I don't want to say that there's no way to do it, but I will say that when I said,
hey, Aston Martin person, my phone won't connect to the car, they said,
do you have old Aston Martin press cars in your Bluetooth list, which I do. They're like, delete
them. Now, if I go glass half full, maybe they're like, oh, those old Aston press cars had the old
ultra iOS thing. I don't want to say definitively that you can't do it,
and I'm sure somebody will prove to me that you can do it. I will say that that has been the
solution for the last two of these I've driven. Now, finally, it connects Apple CarPlay Ultra.
After about two and a half days, without me doing anything, nothing, it goes back to regular
CarPlay, and I cannot figure out how to get it to go back to CarPlay Ultra, and I don't give it,
and I'm so happy that it's not in CarPlay Ultra anymore, that I don't give a shit,
and I just leave it, and I just use regular CarPlay.
So I went back to a different setting, though. That's interesting.
I didn't even know you could use regular CarPlay in cars that had CarPlay Ultra,
but it went back to it eventually. So like, I don't know.
Oh, but when it was using CarPlay Ultra, did that system power up faster?
No, slower, slower than regular CarPlay. I have concluded that I don't like CarPlay Ultra.
It might be a solution for very, very bad native UI systems, but honestly, if you have
regular CarPlay, and even in this Aston screen here, if you have a dock, like the Tycon has it,
and someone showed me how to make it the CarPlay button, if you have a dock on the screen,
and one of those buttons is CarPlay, and another button is Serious, and another button is the
native nav. You don't need anything more than that, but I guess there are a bunch of people
after our CarPlay discussion a few weeks ago, people messaged me and said, you can rearrange the
icons on your CarPlay just like you can your phone. Sometimes it's a drag thing, and sometimes it's
like you have to go into settings or whatever. Like in your phone, you go to CarPlay settings,
here are the apps I want to see first, but very helpful. Thank you, folks.
Yeah, I never thought of it, because honestly, when I pull up CarPlay, the apps I use the most
are just kind of automatically there, so maybe that's an accident. I don't have to swipe through
a whole bunch, but it's good to know you can. Moving the B, being able to do it in the Tycon,
just being like, just like you would do it in a phone, A, it's hilarious, I've never tried it,
and B, no one ever told me about it until this fan did the other day, and now that I've done it,
I'm like, oh my god, this is like, this is just like the game changer.
Well, there's a wall there, usually you're not supposed to cross those.
It doesn't look like that.
I think CarPlay Ultra would work, like the Subaru Cross Trek, or actually any new Subaru
that we've driven. The middle MMI screen looks so old. The graphics look like early 2000s,
MTV Nickelodeon. There's a new one.
So if they change that, that would be nice.
Have you seen the new Subaru Outback? Okay.
Shout out to my friends at Subaru of Englewood, New Jersey. I love them. It's also Porsche of
Englewood, New Jersey, where I bought my spider. Fabulous people. I love them.
Great dealership. If you're in New Jersey, buy a car from them.
When I was in South Carolina, bird hunting two weeks ago, they had one of the new Outbacks,
and they like it. I think this car is heinous looking. Have you seen this thing, the new Outback?
Is it 2026?
Yeah. They turned it into, I think it's like the Hyundai Santa Fe. Zach's eyes.
My eyebrows.
Zach's eyes just lit up. Dude.
Lit up is the wrong description.
Lit up. His eyes just shot to the ceiling. What have they done?
Here, it's more...
Doesn't look like the Hyundai. Like Santa Fe. Like it's like real square.
It's very square. They turned it. They finally just said, yeah, it's an SUV. That's what happened.
I guess, yeah. That is, it is not good looking. I mean, they've just made it a square SUV.
Yeah. That's, it's the Forester. It's what the Forester was.
Yeah, they've merged. Essentially.
The Forester still exists.
It does. No, it does, yeah.
The back looks very RAV4.
Or...
It looks exactly.
Yeah, it looks extremely RAV4, which I get it's like the third most popular SUV.
It's halfway between a RAV4 and the Hyundai, the new Hyundai Santa Fe.
That's what it is.
Yeah. It's RAV4 in the back.
The side window is very Hyundai Santa Fe retro, like this extra pillar that just takes up space.
You can't see the front. You got like, you know, squinty eye, the split headlight thing.
The front's not bad.
It's not good.
But it's a completely different vehicle appearance wise.
It has a new UI though. I'll give credit where it is due.
The interior is, for the price, the interior is nice.
These cars are like, they're like 40 grand. They're not, they're not expensive.
And the interior is comfortable and improved over the last version.
And I should know because my mom has the last version.
But my mom's looks so much better, but this one does have the better interior.
Okay.
Still has manual climate control, full manual climate control on the bottom.
That's good. And we've got the gauges here.
I want to see, I trust you.
Like, because we drove that out back to Wilderness edition a few years ago.
We liked it.
We liked the way it drove.
I just, I really dislike the way all the icons, they look so tired and old.
So this is a good improvement.
So anyway, just wrap up the DBXS.
It's a really, really beautiful driving thing.
It's agile. It's really comfortable.
Although this one, this one didn't, this one did not get the massage seats.
You guys, they guys got to save weight.
Got to have the lighter seats.
It's a good looking car though.
Very, very pretty.
Extremely fast.
Sounds great.
Obviously super, super expensive, but, but it's not,
it's not an upgraded version of anything else.
Very much stands alone.
And I don't think, you know, the higher, the bigger turbos, the up power band,
it's not the full Puro Songway problem.
It's not like it has no balls.
It's just like the AMG derived V8 is very grunty at the bottom.
And I think that's at like the 500 horsepower level,
but the higher you kick up the horsepower and the bigger you make the turbos,
you just keep moving it up, up, up, up, up, up, you know.
Well, you guys, you need, is the red line go up at all?
Do you know?
I don't think so.
I think it's still like seven, some 72, something like that.
Well, bigger turbos, you need more revs to make it breathe.
It's fast.
I'll say that.
It's very, very fast.
It's very pretty.
Yeah.
Lots of leather.
Smells really good in there.
The color was amazing.
Yeah.
They're green.
This green is so good.
It's a fun car.
And just like they're doing such a nice job with their styling and with their dynamics,
the software stuff, partially Apple, partially not.
Yeah, that limit thing.
That's not okay.
Because five over, everyone's doing five over.
Stinks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stinks.
What else do we have?
Oh, the Gunther Ferrari.
Yeah.
Oops.
There we go.
So Gunther Verks, our friend, Peter, who the founder, owner, I guess, I want to say,
I'm CEO of Gunther Works, is interested in exploring the idea of a Ferrari 458.
Apparently, seeing the difference in value between a regular 458 and a speciale.
And he basically said, you know, the Gunther Works 993s are like insane.
They're completely re-engineered from the ground up.
And this isn't that.
This is basically seeing the difference in value between a regular 458 and a speciale.
And a regular 458 is like 150 to 250,000.
And speciale's are like 700,000.
And basically, what he is looking for is to try to offer a styling and driving experience
that's more like a speciale, but for like much less money.
And so with this particular car, he said, you know, this is a car that was $180,000 car,
that his kit would be like 150,000 on top of that.
So it's like three to three fifths.
This is a ton of money again, a ton of money, but half of what you would spend getting an
actual speciale and not something that is in theory so collectible that you couldn't
put a lot of miles on it.
That's the idea.
Now, did this car effectively start life as looking like this?
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that car like live now?
No.
Okay.
So yeah, this is effectively the same car.
Which can you go, can you see like sold ones of these?
What are these going for?
What, yeah, what does it cost to get a 458?
Because 458s are really good cars, really good cars.
And the speciales are just crazy money.
Let's see, sold for, okay, 2010 458 for $136,000.
Wow.
There's a spider with 13,000 miles for 212.
Wow, a lot of no sales.
Well, that gray one you just had up sold for 167.
Okay, great, let's pull that one up.
So 167, how many miles are on this thing?
Scroll down.
Gray tan is fucking good.
36,000.
Ooh, good number of miles.
It's like a dark gray with tan yellow calipers for people listening.
Fucking nice spec.
These seats, look at, ooh.
I am, I'm into everything about this.
Yeah.
This is, this is a fabulous car.
Okay, so you start with one of these things.
And then go back to my photo.
So, going through then replaces the entire front clip with carbon
and does a pass through heat exchanger thing with the, with the frunk and the scoop.
Now it does take up some of the frunk, which sort of sucks.
So you lose some of your usability.
Plus this car is dropped, I think, I don't know exactly how much.
It's either a half inch or an inch.
Looks like half.
Half inch on the stock mag ride shocks, but lowering springs.
But then it has aftermarket nose lift.
And then the pump for that is also in the front trunk.
So at least this one has essentially no trunk, which is kind of a bummer.
They redo the interior.
They leave, they add some carbon bits.
Like if you go back to the, the, the cars and bids one,
not a ton of carbon on this one.
Well, this actually, this one does have, this has very similar carbon.
Oh, it does.
Like this has carbon on the wheels and carbon on the vents, which the Guntherworks car,
I think had the carbon in almost the exact same places here.
You are right, sir.
So then they take out the like power seats and they put in the carbon buckety seats.
They make everything like carbon that can be.
And then they, this has the three buttons.
They change it to the special, which is the carbon like tower.
Yeah, it's cool.
So they change the center console and they effectively give you, you know, special vibes.
The, the, the rear gets a very similar, not quite a special, but, but similar looking treatment.
That's the stock one.
The 458, I don't have a great photo of the rear.
I'm sorry.
I didn't put it in there.
The, this has a very small diffuser.
The, the diffuser becomes huge.
Almost, it almost looks a little bit Enzo like it's the full width of the body.
Those reversing lights get moved.
It's carbon.
And then you get the top treatment is got the special like wing.
I really think only the doors and the roof and the glass are left from the original body.
So this whole fashion out on the front of the, of the Guntherworks car,
this is all their design carbon.
It's all their design carbon.
The mouth looks totally different.
As is the bonnet, the front bonnet.
That's very cool.
It's really subtle.
Like anybody, if you walk up to this thing and you don't really know the 458, like it, it,
it kind of blends in.
Well, look at, look at, scroll through the comments on this post.
Someone had a good one.
They saw, they saw the car.
It's in Malibu on Sunday.
Keep going, keep going there.
This guy, Dominic, Dominic Savides.
There we go.
I was walking around that Ferrari.
These guys were going back and forth with what it was.
Like it's not just a body kit, but it's not a Pista.
Like same thing.
It's like in between, right?
And so, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, an upfitted 458.
So we didn't make a video with it because the tune isn't quite right.
It does have supposedly 50 more horsepower.
I'm not, it has a, it has a very light exhaust with a valve in it.
I'm sure it has another, a couple other hard bits, but it also has this tune
that isn't where it should be.
So we're going to, we sent it home and then, and we're going to get it back when, when the tune is
It's very fast.
When the tune is fine tune.
Yeah.
It's fast.
It's very fast.
It's a drivability.
It needs a little work.
Sounds good.
I've been driving one of these in such a long time, like years and years and years and years.
Remember, I asked you, I'm like, where, I was like, where do I turn the thing on?
Yeah.
You forgot to put, you had to put the key in and turn it.
But then hit the button and then there's like a little button over there.
Um, but man, these things are such magic and like just ripping through the tunnel
because I drove it to Malibu to meet you guys on Sunday.
And just the sound of it, like my wife Sarah's in the car and I go,
that's why people pay the money for these.
Like just that.
And it's, and she was giggling and it looks amazing.
They've aged well.
I mean, and the, and you know, at the time I didn't love the buttons,
all the buttons on the steering wheel, but now compared to all the haptics on the steering wheel,
I'm like, oh, buttons aren't really so bad.
That's true.
But I couldn't figure out how to make the blinker stay on, on a left turn, on a right turn.
It was like, if I held it longer, it would just stay.
It was like, all right, the blinkers on the left one.
It's the same.
Well, it's broken.
It's broken.
Hey, Peter, fix that.
I was in a lot of like, you know, three flashes and then it would go away.
That's funny.
But you do get used to it.
And, you know, someone in the last show said, what do we prefer?
Paddles on the wheel or on the column.
And this has paddles on the column and it was nice action.
And they're always there, which their benefits to it.
I would prefer column.
I prefer wheel.
If I, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go wheel.
But I went, calm's not bad.
It's pretty good.
I prefer column.
I mean, I think in most circumstances, it doesn't really make a difference.
It makes a difference if you plan on sliding the car.
That's the only time.
If you're really sliding the car and you might want to grab a gear.
Very true.
When the wheel is at some fucking crazy angle, then it matters.
That's very true.
Outside of that, not really so much.
But four or five eighths are, they are great.
But the, the radio is like unusably awful.
Like I think, I think that this is like, there needs to be some kind of full on bypass system
for that.
And maybe there is, because that is a, that is a piece of junk.
It also needs a backup camera.
No, it's a good, it's just the usability.
Oh yeah.
With those, the weird knobs that control, yeah.
It's like you have three knobs, the same knob you'd use to control the mirrors in a car.
Imagine there's three of those.
And the one on the left controls like your tripometer, your tripometer.
And if you want to look at like the tire temp.
And the one on the right was like radio and media.
And it's kind of very good.
It's terrible.
Yeah.
They're pretty, such pretty cars and, and so fun to drive though.
I mean, they really, they've aged well in that door.
And this, this price, I mean, you, you could get for this money for like 130 grand.
I mean, you could get your NSX or you could actually get a worse NSX.
This is a lot of car.
Well, that's 67 is literally what I sold my NSX for.
This is nuts.
Yeah.
Oh, that's the one.
That's the one.
There's a lot more.
That's my car.
Oh yeah.
I sold, I sold that car.
That was a record at the time.
Wow.
These are fantastic.
Oh, that's funny though.
For the 14 was only bid $458 higher.
The gray one on the top, right?
Oh yeah.
I was, oh no, I was 215.
Sorry.
That's 212458.
Maybe I need new glasses.
Are they, so are they positioning this as, let's go back to the, the kit.
Is this like, it seems more like a modified Ferrari to make,
to make your 458 seem more special, but it's not a full gun to work to build,
you know, Porsche style.
Yeah.
Because that would probably change the entire like appearance of the thing.
Yeah.
No, there's the, the, the, the branding of it.
Because, you know, Gunther works as a division of Vorsteiner.
So like the, the, the branding of it is unclear at the moment.
It was not, it wasn't necessarily, I plan on selling this exactly as is, as a package.
And under this brand, and here's the, it was, hey, you know, I've thought about the 458
and the speciale and the gap between.
And so I've built something that is in between.
Will you drive it and give me your thoughts and like we might be on to something.
That was pretty much where, and then the car just shows up.
Looks awesome.
It was supposed to show up the same week the fucking DBX was here.
I'm glad it didn't.
It was pissing rain.
Imagine, I mean, what would I have done with this thing?
Look at it and just, yeah.
Stare at it in the driveway for six straight days.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
But we'll get it back and we'll make a video once it's, once it's, you know, ready for the,
the prime time.
Did you see that?
I guess, I guess Ford is like really kind of abandoning Shelby.
Because they just did this dark horse SC thing.
Like they essentially brought back the GT 500, but it's not called GT 500.
It's called the dark horse SC.
And it's the GT 500 slash GTD powertrain, you know, but dark horse branding.
And presumably, you know, similarly track focused chassis setup.
I wonder, huh, I wonder if, wonder why like the Shelby name has been attached to these cars for
so long.
So I wonder if they've just, they're aged out of it.
Could be.
They also could save money by not licensing.
I'm sure there's a partnership thing there.
And also I think, and they've, they've really, they've dropped Ford performance and now it's
Ford racing.
They're really trying to like lean into the fact that they're racing.
So it's, you know, it's billed as, it's billed as halfway between the, the dark horse and the GTD,
right?
So it gets the supercharged powertrain, but it doesn't get the
multi-matic front and rear, you know, clips.
Interesting.
It's a, it's essentially the same as the GTD's engine.
It seems, although they haven't given you exactly the ways that it's changed yet, but
you know, it looks like an update.
It looks like they could put fucking stripes on it and call it a GT 500 tomorrow.
They've just chosen not to, right?
Yeah. It's funny that this is, I mean, I want to read more details, but it's very close to the
RTR spec three.
Well, it's got, this has the Tremac though.
This has the DCT gearbox, not a manual.
So, I mean, I'll probably have probably a really good time.
I bet it'll be amazing.
I mean, look, the Ford engineers are doing a great job.
I bet it'll drift better than the GTD.
The GTD with the, does not have much steering angle to work with when it comes to doing
slides.
It's a pretty good looking car.
Looks very angry.
Yeah.
Very, it is definitely more extroverted looking than the RTR, but slightly subtler than the GTD,
just as it doesn't have like the huge fins on the fenders and stuff.
But man, this hood is, well, it's much narrower than the GTD.
GTD's like six inches wider than a regular Mustang.
And it looks when it shows up.
The, excuse me, I still have yet, you know, I did, I'm doing a story right now for
Road and Track about dinos.
And actually we used a regular dark horse and naturally aspirated dark horse to test
dinos to see how different, and so I spent last week driving around a dark horse.
And I really need to request that they give me one that doesn't have the track alignment on it.
Because they're, the powertrains are great.
The ride is pretty nice.
Like they're generally really fun cars, but I think all the press cars have this crazy camber
because the magazines use them for track work or whatever.
And they're so dirty.
They're, they're exhausting to drive.
I don't, I don't know if I've driven different car, dark horses than you truly or, or I am
less sensitive to that than you are, because I've just never really bothered me in those cars.
I don't know.
Maybe both.
But the one, I mean, you just drive more cars than me, so you're probably more
tuned to it.
I don't know.
I mean, that's not it.
You couldn't tell if a car was fucking dirty.
I can, but I think, but maybe my threshold for what is annoying for in that regard is much,
is high.
Well, you have a car with overly wide front tires and a lot of camber also.
So yes, I would say that you are calibrated slightly differently.
That's a very good point.
Someone needs to fucking press that tear button on your shit, dude.
T-A-R-E.
Oh, like, like on a scale.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry.
So is that too much of a drug dealer reference?
No, I mean, I remember from chemistry class and I use a scale for my coffee every day,
but for a second I was like, what?
I was like T-E-A-R.
Right.
I was using language differently.
Yeah, T-A-R-E.
I remember in class I was like, why don't they just call it a race?
And my teacher was like, because they don't.
I'm like, okay.
Clear, erase, reset.
Don't you dare talk that kind of fucking sense, Clapman.
And I'm sure someone's listening.
I'm sure there's a Latin root for why there's always a reason for that stuff.
No, I told you my fucking talking sense shit in Hebrew school, right?
That almost got me fucking kicked out of Hebrew school.
I was forced to go to Hebrew school.
What the fuck do I need to learn Hebrew for?
And literally seven years of this shit for purposes of reading a paragraph in front of 200
people one time and never again.
And so I asked my Hebrew school teacher when I was, the first year I was there when I was eight,
why an all-knowing God doesn't understand English?
Now imagine, imagine you're a Hebrew school teacher
and an eight-year-old fucking shithead says that to you.
What do you say?
I mean, and that's a magnificent question.
And of course, goes along with so many others you can ask.
So you're telling me.
So he's all powerful, but he needs our money.
That's what you're saying.
All powerful.
Right.
All knowing, but only in one language.
All knowing.
Yeah, that is really funny.
Boy, I like what they did to go back to cars.
I like what they did with the front.
You know what?
I just realized this side here, the side of the front fascia is very
Lamborghini like Huracan, a little cut, but it's a little subtler.
And then this new nose thing, this whole like angle.
Squared off some things.
A little bit, but I like it.
I like it.
It's also not running a square stance.
It's got 305 fronts and 315 rears.
Well, because they heard your complaints about the tramlining.
This look at this.
I love this fucking press release talk.
This setup leverages Mustang GTD technology
to help deliver near supercar levels of traction.
How they have a completely, well, what tires are the is the GTD on?
Oh, sport come to leverages GTD technology.
That would be a very funny way of saying they use the same tires.
I think that's what they're saying.
Well, the GTD is 335 rears.
So they're not the same size.
No.
But leverages technology.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I would say is size a technology or is compound a technology?
It's not the size of the tire.
It's the compound.
This is why creative writing can take you pretty far in PR.
It's not the size of your tire.
It's the compound.
Matt, it uses the turbos from the Valhalla.
Which is great.
I mean, the PR people right now are upset
and they're also laughing because like they know what they have to do.
It's tough.
You have to make, I mean, I don't know why you have to.
Like they can't just give the specs because what we read are the specs,
but like they got to like pitch it to you.
So it uses the same technology.
I don't know.
It'll probably be fast.
It'll probably handle great.
No, no, it's going to be a good time.
I hope the steering feel problem gets fixed at some point,
but I think that's a hardware issue with the supplier of their pump.
Wait, what steering issue would you have?
I feel like every Mustang we've driven has no steering feel.
And I think it's just like either an overall work.
Do you think they're broken?
No, I don't think they're broken.
I think I remember this was a problem with the GT350.
Like it always felt like you had no steering feel.
And then when you got too far into the angle,
the effort suddenly got really hard.
It was almost like the pump couldn't handle it.
But the GTD, the dark horse, the RTR car, like it's like BMW M steering.
There's just nothing from the front tires.
I think they have a very tough mission because there's so much weight up there.
And the tire is so wide that you need a very powerful system.
And you can't, I don't think you can have a very powerful system and really good steering feel.
I think like by nature, the systems that offer less assist usually give the best feel.
All the way to like no power steering, which has amazing feel,
sometimes at the expense of like a ton of effort.
Sure. That's a good point.
I mean, because it's a big engine, it's a big car.
And so it needs a lot.
Yeah, maybe.
I'm fucking taking a guess at that.
No, but I like that theory.
And if anybody works at an OEM, especially if their name is David, maybe,
or anybody else, that's the only one we know.
But like, that would be a great thing to tell us because like, I don't know.
You have to wait till like once every three months where he has a bunch of long flights
and like binges the podcast and catches up with it.
He's out there.
The question would be to you is have you know, what has better steering feel like
vanquish or dark horse?
Vanquish.
Okay. Vanquish has a huge engine with turbos.
Engine is behind the front axle.
Crucial.
Maybe.
Crucial.
That's more mid-engine.
Right. But so yeah, you move what the, not leverage point, but you're moving the weight
back so the less weight is on the front tires.
So maybe that does influence it.
And it doesn't have, the front tires aren't that big.
The front tires are like 255s or something, not like 305s.
That's a substantial difference.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Because I mean bigger tires, like bigger tires on my car, granted 25 years old,
improved steering feel because it made the, a little bit of effort, had an increase in
steering effort, which resulted in like sort of masquerading his feel.
Oh, that's like the same trick as like when I made my steering wheel smaller in the Corvette.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's like when you manscape.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
This is a good question for an engineer.
Very good.
They're not a sponsor, but they could be.
Very good.
Can I talk for a second about the Oster Model 10?
I got.
Is it a toaster?
No, it's the buzzer.
It's the buzzer that like, you know, in like full metal jacket,
when they fucking shave it, it's not fair.
It's the fucking industrial grade buzzer that like, yes, that like an old Italian man
would use or like a military barber from in like Vietnam.
Like that's what this is.
Look at the size of the power cable.
Fuck yeah, dude.
Shit's almost like 220, right?
So Hannah got me this for my birthday, like 10 years ago,
when I used to buzz my head real short.
That's the number, the triple zero blade is the real short one.
So now I don't, I don't, I haven't done that because I shave my head with a,
with a proper razor, right?
But now this, my beard set up, I've been using a portable buzzer,
but with plastic attachments to shave the beard.
But I was like, wait a minute, what is the longest blade I can get for the model 10?
It's been in retirement and I got, it's called like the,
it's, I forget what it's called, but it's the long one.
It's the length that I need for this.
So the guard is very tall.
Yeah, and I brought it out of retirement.
And no, those are the plastic bullshit attachments.
I have the real metal, the metal cartridges.
All right.
Those are the comb guides.
I have the fucking proper, the there, the model 10 classic.
That like those, no, those are the comb ones too.
It's where you replace the entire metal cartridge on top.
Okay.
So anyway, found it.
Man, I have to, I have to grease the motor in this thing, like service it.
And it is extremely, when you fucking hit that,
that giant toggle switch on the bottom,
it doesn't just go from off to on, it accelerates.
There's a delay.
And then you fucking drop a few drops of oil on it,
and then you can, you get a couple of drops of oil on it,
and then it goes even faster.
All the sound changes, right?
Because it's dry.
That oil going, man.
Oh, it's like, that's like, it's like a,
it's like using a riding mower for the first time.
It's like crushing, just crushing acreage.
Not too much.
Well, I mean, you've said before, like you have the A-Rab hair.
So like, it's not too much power.
No, no, no.
He said this, I'm repeating.
Just no resistance.
You know, sometimes if you're buzzing, you know,
when your buzzer gets bogged down,
because you're going too fast.
I totally know what that's like.
No such thing.
Definitely.
No such thing, dude.
I should have combed it this morning.
I still use the Brio Beardscape when I have to.
It's a great portable buzzer.
Put my thing down.
Great portable buzzer.
That's in the class for like a year or one charge.
But the, and my Brio Beardscape works fucking perfectly,
but I've broken the tabs on the little plastic-y comb attachments.
Those, that's the, that's the fragile,
that's the problem.
So now we have, this thing weighs like a kilogram.
It's fucking, you throw the cord over your shoulder.
Like it's an-
Well it's got the cord guard.
No, the cord's like 12 feet.
It's like an open mic cable.
Yeah, because you need to be able to walk around the whole chair.
And it's got a guard on it.
The guard, the cable guard is as thick as like your 12 volt battery in your car.
And there's a place, you know, because I live like on the edge of the hood,
there's a place like just into the hood
that is like a barbershop service center.
And he also does knife sharpening.
So I went in there and he had some knife sharpen.
I talked to this motherfucker about buzzers for 35 minutes straight.
What I've noticed now, like at this point in my life,
is I see how people become the old person you see in the wild.
So if I walked into that store and there was an eight-year-old man
and he was just chatting to this guy about buzzers,
I go, man, that guy, I wonder what happened.
Maybe his wife died.
He's got nothing to do.
He's in here just chatting buzzers.
No, it starts far before that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's just the interest we have in whatever.
I had another one of them the other day.
I took when my nephew Cole was here,
and I took him to film tools in Burbank,
because he likes cars and photography.
And I set him up with a suction cup rig.
I sent him home with a rig to shoot some cars.
And we're in there and I was like, oh, I also need whatever the fuck I needed,
some little thing.
And I went up to the counter
and he was just chatting with some older dude
who was relaxing in a director's chair like this.
And while the guy looked in the back for whatever it was,
it was, well, you know, back, you know, just, I don't know where we were going.
But we started, we were for 25 minutes.
We talked about absolutely nothing.
And he was like, don't worry about me.
I got nowhere to be.
No one's buying stuff here anymore.
They all get it on Amazon.
Anyway, that's what shopping's like now.
I love in-person shopping.
It is great.
It's not like shopping shopping, but like fucking go to the knife sharpening store,
eight, 10 chef's knives done.
That's a good idea.
I bought a sharpening block, which I enjoy like learning the process of
and doing it home really quick.
And I sharpened our scissors, which I'd never done and it worked.
And I was so proud that it worked.
But we only have two chef's knives.
So if I had to do 10, then am I kind of...
I do, that's, that's my once a year is to, I do, I do the inter the,
the in-between maintenance, the honing, a little home sharpening.
And then once a year, I send my new West knife works,
ones with the rainbow handles, all those free lifetime sharpening.
So I send the whole shit back when I go out of town for like a week,
FedEx them shits to Wyoming.
And then they come back all sharp, all the serrated ones too that I can't do.
And then the ones that aren't new West, I bring to this dude now,
which is where I learned about the fucking cartridge for the Oster Model 10.
Yes.
These, this is what it's like being 44.
It's fountain pens and beard trimmers.
So excited.
So funny.
So excited.
Did he ever, did he say, what are you using it for?
And you're like, my beard.
He's like, that's too powerful for the beard.
That's for your head.
He was, he said, most people don't have those for home use.
And I was like, I, I was like, I knew what I liked.
You shipped it to a state and then into California.
Cause you can't just buy it straight direct here.
Not like my shower heads.
Yeah.
My water filter.
Gotta get the shower heads.
Yo, was that in Nevada grade?
They put a new shower head in our apartment and it's slower.
Oh no.
Yeah.
I mean, we could switch it if we want to, like it takes five minutes and I have the ability,
but we got a new one for a reason.
And then the guy, he's installing it and then we'll get the questions.
And he's like, you know, there's calcium problem.
Like you could just soak it in vinegar.
And I literally go, yeah, you know, they keep raising our rent.
So I'll take the free shower head.
I don't know if this plays, buddy.
I'll take the fucking shower.
Yeah.
I'm getting my money back.
Oh, but it's a low flow.
A little bit.
They just announced is we're the first, it's the first time we're drought free in like 26 years or something.
Yeah.
So we might want to keep saving some money, you know, as you spoke about in the last show.
No.
Don't spend all of it.
It's not, listen, it's America.
Gas go down.
I need a three row SUV.
I might think about having a baby.
The TRX has more power now.
717.
Oh my God.
The TRX and the DVX have the same power.
Right.
No, I think the TRX is 770.
Oh.
I believe.
You might be right.
I think it's 770.
I think they're like, we may never get a shot to build the world's least fuel efficient vehicle.
Again, we better fucking do it now.
If he's getting a ballroom, we're getting a TRX.
Johnny Lieberman told me, and obviously it hasn't come to pass.
But Johnny Lieberman told me that the Escalade engineer, the engineers who did the Escalade V
were told that Cadillac's going full electric.
This is the last exhaust you will ever design.
And so that's why the Escalade V is like loud enough to wake the dead for that exact reason.
Respect.
Fuck it.
Have your last shots, boys.
We're getting sober tomorrow.
That's like every movie where they're like, they're taking mom's house tomorrow.
Tonight we party.
And it's just like the movies about that.
You just know at Ram, you go, fuck, we gotta make it.
We got a couple years at this guy.
Look, after this guy's gone, you know, they're gonna ram this electric down.
We're gonna have to figure out how to make an electric car and a hybrid car.
But we got about two, three years to get this motherfucker done.
We could build the least fuel efficient.
Fuck you.
Invade Venezuela and get more oil car of all fucking time.
You want to hear?
We could take up two parking spaces every fucking where we go.
We're making it seven inches wider.
We're making it four inches taller.
It's going to be 8,600 pounds, 770 horsepower.
It's going to average 2.2 miles per gallon.
And if you don't fucking like it, get out.
I want the H1 Hummer to look like a wart on the cock.
That is the TRX because I want to be the biggest thing in the world.
It looks small.
Yeah, they do.
I mean, I, when I drove that one for Doug's channel, I did the measurements.
I went, oh, it's narrower than a new Bronco Raptor.
Holy moly.
It just, it just looks because it's so flat and low.
It looks wide as hell.
Yeah.
How charming.
How charmingly practical.
H1 is easier to park.
It's better.
Yeah.
They are easy to park.
Yeah.
They're short.
Yeah.
And the slabs slide in, you can see every part of it.
It's not comfortable inside.
Yeah.
What do you, what do you think?
One morning in, in the Johnson Valley with the TRX.
What, what do you think fuel economy wise?
Two?
Yeah.
You're looking at?
For sure.
The way I would drive it.
I mean, look, that truck is so silly in so many ways, but is it a good time?
Like, you know, is a Metallica concert fun, but you know, probably kill some birds nearby?
Sure.
Who cares?
Like it's a rad time.
It's a big, but I think whenever I've driven big production vehicles in the desert,
I go, man, a dedicated racer for this is probably even better because it's less compromised.
It's a little lighter, maybe.
And it just kind of inspires me to, I don't want to be around more off-road racing.
The smaller ones are more, I think the Bronco Raptor is more fun than a full-size Raptor.
But even with that, and I know it's a totally different type of vehicle,
but when you see the people that have taken like an old Ranger and they put all the parts on
or Tacoma or whatever and it's got like a decent engine, I bet that's just an absolute riot
because then it's a more disposable thing.
Sure.
Yeah, disposable.
I mean, also, you lease it.
You just lease.
I know, that's what's wild, dude.
You just lease that motherfucker.
Yeah.
And then just go for it.
It would be really fun for the desert running.
It's the new Ram lease and send event.
Lease it and fucking send it, bro.
But I'm sure you've seen the video.
There's a famous Raptor video.
This guy, he's shot POV.
This guy's out in the desert and he's walking and his friend is, you know, takes the truck out here.
And you can almost hear the beer like in the person's voice is like, all right,
he's going to go for it.
He's got his phone vertical and then he turns it sideways, which is perfect.
And dude just he's accelerating towards like a gravel road.
So it's raised maybe eight inches on each side, right?
Very gentle type thing.
And he just floors it.
And now knowing what I know about jumping cars from the road and track,
I did go read it.
It's online right now.
He just stays in the throttle and it hits and then donkey kicks and just lands on the roof.
And the guy filming it is like, yeah, man, go for it.
Braden or whatever.
It's just like, and as soon as it goes up in the air, he goes, oh, no.
And it just, and I think I hope the guy was okay.
It's a bad accident, but it's, you can't just take them.
The super vehicle has to be driven a certain way or it will no longer be super powered.
How should Braden have taken that?
Approach it slower, approach it slower.
And then right before the jump, you want to tap the brakes a little bit.
You want to drop the weight to the front of the vehicle.
And then as the springs pop back up in the front, you accelerate because you want to,
your goal is to send the weight to the back of the truck.
And that helps prevent the donkey kick.
But the other thing is if the takeoff is too short, it's very hard to manage that kind of stuff.
Sure.
Because it's just, because it just, because as the front, the front comes up in the air
and it's already gravity is already pulling it down as the back goes up that ramp.
Sure.
And no longer your wheelbase, the worst, the effect.
Absolutely.
So you need to balance like the size of the ramp.
How much acceleration can you get on the surface you're on?
And he just, I mean, this dude hit the jump.
I'll find it.
He hit it at like 60 miles per hour.
Yeah.
There's math involved in jumping cars as it turns out, actually.
Did you get, did you get a math formula really?
For how to figure out what your appropriate speed is for distance?
I did not.
But our friend Chip, you know, what's Chip's last name?
I forget.
It starts with the P, Jen Horsey's Chip.
Yeah.
He, I mean, this guy was like, he was like the creator and executive producer of Nitro
Rallycross and a bunch of other things.
Like I talked, I interviewed him for the piece and I think they cut his quotes.
But as they worked on over the years learning how to jump cars and talking to ramp builders,
they figured out there was a formula of if the car hits this ramp at X speed, it can land,
you know, it can go 10 feet over or 150 feet over and it will be okay.
So they had a formula.
He didn't share the formula, but they do have a system now.
Tanner's got to be the expert in that system.
Dude, he talked me for like an hour and that was amazing.
But he's like, yeah, if you want to go 400 feet, you got to start bringing in like ailerons
because it was fascinating talking about the Hot Wheels jump.
The rotation of the engine had to be like thought about because you're flying so far
and then the truck will start to like list and roll.
And he, and he's like, if you want to go any further than most of us have really gone,
you have to start compensating for that with active arrow.
Wow.
Which is you're building an airplane.
Meaning you then have to fly the car.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because then you would either need like, like Pastrana, you know, on the family huckster,
they've got that active arrow to kind of change the pitch of it in the air.
So they can do long jumps and stay flat.
But now, you know, Tanner's talking about the rotation on that axis,
which is a whole different ball game.
Super crazy.
Well, I wonder if you say about the rotation because of the engine.
I wonder if Subaru being a flat engine.
I think it was the crank.
Oh, yeah.
So I think it's, I think you have to compensate for the crank rotation over that.
Because the Hot Wheels jump was 346 feet or 372 feet.
It was extremely far, a lot of hang time.
And when he came down, if you go watch the video, I think the successful landing,
he came down on the side of the tire, folded the tire and like the wheel caught,
and then it went back to, you know, landed upright.
But if he'd flown probably 20 more feet, I mean, he probably just landed on the side of the wheel
and then, yeah, let's watch this real quick.
And then we will go.
This is the, this is the, this is Braden, Braden said.
We uploaded so many times.
Brand new Raptor super crew.
Good thing you took the cup out of the car.
So you got a great Raptor off in the distance.
So here, do you see the road?
Definitely a six cylinder.
Oh, this is all.
That's the jump.
So maybe it's like a foot tall.
Yeah, about a foot, but it's a short kicker.
The kicker is maybe two feet long.
Dude, if you wanted to jump this, you'd hit it at 10.
Yes.
And then you'd floor it.
Yeah.
And you'd still.
You could, you could start a foot from the jump.
Just right.
And just floor it from there is how you would do it.
And it's the jump length is the width of a road.
Oh, he's coming in hot, hot as well.
Yeah, super hot.
Oh my God.
Oh, wow.
Full cartwheel forward.
That was a major donkey kick.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But he came in at 50, 60 miles per hour.
The top of fourth gear.
Yeah.
And so bad.
I hope that guy didn't die.
That looks fucking terrible.
I think I'm like, I learned a lot about jumping cars that I,
more than I ever thought I could.
And I'm really glad I did so that I didn't hurt myself.
It is a little bit more complicated than people think.
Just because I don't even know if they'll be real,
but click the comments and see if there's any kind of link
to whether or not someone died doing that.
No, just a bunch of bad memes, a bunch of people
correctly identifying what happened.
And do we have a driver update yet?
Let's see if there's some replies to that.
Nope, nope, nope.
No, it doesn't say.
Okay.
Well, if anyone knows if that guy lived, don't eat him.
A lot of airbags deployed.
Yeah, I mean, I hope that person's okay.
That's fucking nuts.
That's crazy shit.
Yeah.
Let's go to the people.
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Bald bearded and beautiful, I can relate.
Thinking of replacing my Taycan cross Turismo
and the new Taycans with improved range are still very pricey.
What about a Macan GTS EV?
I have driven none of the Macan electrics.
Zach, you've driven two of them, haven't you?
No, I just drove the first one on the launch.
So I have no exposure to the GTS, but I imagine it's stiffer
and therefore like a little bit less comfortable.
But I think it really depends on where you live.
Like I drove on the launch, we were in France, I think,
like roads are smooth, curvy, and excuse me,
I was not wanting for a stiffer vehicle.
Like it was plenty quick and plenty fun on the corners.
So I don't know, for me, the GTS as I've driven,
the Taycan GTS is so fun, but only if you drive it in the way
that really benefits from that kind of performance.
Yeah, the Taycan GTS was similar in 95% of ways to my Taycan 4
unless you're going fast.
You know, when you're doing everyday things,
from cruising on the highway to running errands to sitting in traffic,
they're the same car, especially with EVs specifically.
The power will go from here to here.
It'll go from whatever the base macan 4 is, 300 and something horsepower
to the 600 horsepower macan turbo, right?
Is that 600?
Something like that.
Six something, whatever.
So the GTS will be 500, I don't even know.
But they all feel the same at half throttle.
And so it's really going to be about, do you want the GTS ride?
That is it, yeah.
Run GMC, I like that.
Thoughts on the 2014 to 18 Audi RS7.
I love my Golf R, but I want something a little more mature.
That's mature is the right word.
Those RS7s are fast as fuck.
They're not particularly interesting to drive.
They're not like dynamic, but they're fast.
They handle all right.
They do look cool.
Yeah, they do look cool.
I mean, I went on the press launch for that car.
I did 200 miles an hour on the press launch in the middle of the fucking desert
that car, like that is a legitimate 200 mile an hour car.
ZF-8 speed gearbox, stout.
I haven't heard any terrible horror stories.
I don't know.
I would do your research on if there are horror stories, like look at forms or whatever
before you get it because it is an, it's a complicated Audi.
It's a twin turbo V8, but I think they're rad.
And yeah, it is more mature for sure.
It's got a presence to it, man.
Yeah.
Great design.
Oh man, poop to sample.
Kind of fun.
Favorite watch, new or used from eight to $12,000 from these brands.
Is this one per each brand?
I guess, yeah.
Okay.
Tag the new Carrera glass box.
IWC, the 41 millimeter pilot watch, metal bracelet,
straight forward, simple.
Omega, that's going to be the white dial speed master.
Panerai is going to be the radio mirror, 45 millimeter always.
Keep it very simple.
Rolex for that price, eight to 12.
As far as I know, that'll get you into a no date sub.
That's probably where, where I'm at.
Or that new cream of Oyster Perpetual 41.
It's pretty fire, that pistachio joint.
Hamon Lee fans, top supporter.
What's crazier?
Oh, this is crazy.
This is, can you pull up the Mikum Ferrari results?
Someone spent 1.8 million on a 360 Stradale.
And someone else spent 18 million on an Enzo.
At 17 million on an Enzo.
That's there.
That'll, that should do it.
The yellow, that's the full yellow collection.
But also that David Leigh guy bought the white GTO for 38 million.
Let's see what the results we got.
But the 17 million dollar Enzo, other than being yellow.
Let's see, what is it about this?
Uh, one of 11 yellow Enzos delivered to the U.S.
It only done 649 miles.
Okay, so that's, that's a good shade of yellow.
I just, I don't get that.
That's, that's very straight.
I don't see eight figures for Enzos.
I'd rather get two Koenigseggs or more.
You know, that's, that is so much money.
Dude, that's so much money.
You could, and, and I've driven Enzos.
Like, they're cool, but fucking gnaw.
That's a single clutch gearbox, dude.
That's not, well, because what did someone say that the F50 went for at the same auction?
Nine point, oh, there's an F50 at this auction.
Oh, here's an F50.
Nine point, wait, 12 fucking million?
What are they, is this just all crypto scams?
Like, who are the, who's paying this much money for this shit?
Crypto's down a lot, so I doubt it.
This is, this is very much the, the haves that have knots and that have lots.
This is, I mean, if you, if you have billions, the fuck do you care between nine and 12?
You know, and I can't possibly imagine.
Let's see, it was owned by a golfer, uh, doesn't say who bought it.
Ian Polter, Ian Polter the golfer.
The last one, the nine point two four was owned by Ralph Lauren, a guy known for collecting
fucking special Ferrari.
And that sold last year.
That was one year ago.
So one year ago was nine point two.
And by the way, Ralph's was yellow.
Ralph's was yellow.
This one's red.
There's very few yellow F50s.
There's a lot of red ones.
I mean, imagine when, when your bank account has billions and you get drunk at the auction.
That's this.
And, you know, maybe, and maybe someone else has the same account and they're drunk
and they go, and you just go back and forth.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I, I understand eight figures for an F50 more than I do for an Enzo.
Yeah, I got 50.
Wait.
And what, so an F40, this dude, this F40 sold for 6.6 million and 5.8.
That's crazy money for F40s.
These guys had a good day down there at Meekum.
Can you find this challenge Stradale?
Because that's really the most absurd.
There was, I don't know where it went,
but there was someone paid $1.8 million for a 360 challenge Stradale,
which apparently it was a good, um, a good color at, uh,
doing Meekum 20, Meekum 2026 there.
There it is.
Two days ago, the second thing, whatever that Instagram link is, two days ago, that.
So this is 1.87 million, uh, fict, fict, fict, uh, finished in an extra Campionario,
non-standard color, British racing green, 375 mile car.
So, so you can't drive it.
This is a museum car.
So you have, you have a dark green challenge Stradale.
It's very pretty green tan.
Yeah.
I think I need to see the sun.
Maybe there's more photos, but you cannot to drive it.
That is, that is the thing.
It's a, it's, it stays parked and that's it.
That, and that sucks.
It does.
The interior is so great interior.
Yeah, it's a great spec.
Yeah.
I mean, hopefully whoever bought it is brave enough to drive it.
Just, I mean, if you have all the money, I mean, we've talked about this before,
like they don't want the number to go down.
No, it's okay.
But then what's the point of getting the super cool thing?
Nobody's spending that kind of money on this car for the number to go down.
Yeah.
It's not happening.
Like what does a normal CS go for these days?
I mean, it's a laughable $400,000.
Because this is about $150,000 driving experience.
Look on, look on, look on bat.
Here, this one in September of last year, this one went to 610.
That was a record.
Yeah.
610 was the record for one of these.
And goddamn, is it good in silver?
I think it's better in silver.
Better in silver.
Better in silver.
Now, the green one might be the only one.
Go down.
How many miles were on it?
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
I'd say 17,000 miles.
4,500 miles.
No, no, no.
No, no, no, go up.
I go up, go up.
Oh, no, sorry.
It just said it was like the next paragraph down.
I thought it said 17, oh, 17,000 units.
Excuse me.
How many miles?
Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
The miles are also low.
It just says low.
All right.
Well, it's great.
It's great in silver, really good in silver.
Dude, honestly, I would, I, look, they sound great and they look great,
but you, you'd wreck the value converting one to manual
and their, the manual cars are just so much fucking better.
See this one, this one had 826 miles.
Oh, but that's December 2025.
This is like a DK.
That's a DK photo for sure.
That's got to be DK engineering.
Yes, it is.
A straight line either.
Of course it is.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what, I'd rather spend, by the way, this blue is fabulous on this car.
I'd rather spend that money from DK knowing you're getting a full-serviced,
you know, fresh car.
These guys are going to service the shit of that thing.
Yeah.
This one's getting $500,000 British pounds.
Yeah.
Last year, I don't know.
So what's crazier?
Spending $17 million on an Enzo or $1.8 million on a Stradale, you can't drive.
I think the Stradale, because it's supposed to be a race track car
and it's supposed to be driven.
And the Enzo, you could say it is, the Enzo's always been,
it's like one of the first hypercars.
It's always been a flagship, a flagship.
It's been collectible from the moment they had it announced it.
And this, I mean, it's collectible because it's cool, but it's just like,
I don't know, it's based on their normal entry-level car, right?
Yeah.
And like, you could get another a low mile Ferrari 360 for so much less money.
And even if you wanted to change the fucking color, you know,
or have it retrimmed or whatever, like, it just, I don't see the value in spending enormous money
on a car you can't drive.
So I got to say it's more crazy to spend 1.8 million on a brick of a challenge.
And I think you could build your own CS, you could get close with a whatever 360.
You can't build your own, you can't take a lesser car and build it up to Enzo, right?
There's no mid-engine V12 car that they have.
They go, oh, this is the cheap one.
Well, if you really want a yellow Enzo, it becomes about, well, how many are there?
Who's selling it?
When are they selling it?
How do you want to, how much do you want to pay to get one out of somebody's hands?
Versus here's one that's for sale right now.
That's crazy.
All of that shit is crazy.
That's, this is going to be really something because we, you have shit like this happening
where a Ferrari, a Ferrari F50, somehow the record sales 30, you know,
it goes from 9 million to 12 million in a year.
Meanwhile, like regular people can't fucking afford regular cars and enthusiasts of cars
just have no fucking options.
I mean, you could get cars and bids in December.
A red 360 manual sold for 110.
That's where you want to be.
Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel.
What's your bad scenario that you secretly wish happened so you can save the day?
Well, sometimes when I watch a Bank Heist movie, I go, I could be the driver.
Get away, driver.
He's not a hero at all.
But I think something like that, like someone has to get to the hospital immediately.
Well, I had this happen.
I came upon a crash up on the top of the fucking road right like before satellite texting became
a thing like two years ago and someone had to go to cell phone service and call for fucking help
and boy was it my day.
I was in my pink car and I drove as fast as fucking possible with no disregard for laws
and really almost anything else to get to service.
And I did call and I saw the fucking chopper going the other way when I finally got to the highway.
It was great.
I mean, it wasn't great.
The guy was very hurt and I hope he's okay.
I don't think he it didn't look like he was going to die, but like he was alive when I left.
Forgot his motorcycle or car motorcycle.
Yeah, motorcycle.
But yeah, I got to drive as fast as possible to sell service to call the ambulance or the chopper.
Yeah, what else?
Oh, right.
So much fucking Mary kills.
I need to take a break from those for a minute.
I don't have an answer for that one.
I blow horns.
Are there any vehicles that are mediocre at five seven tenths but come alive at the limit?
I would genuinely think that good limit behavior would correlate
with good linear sub limit behavior, but was curious if you ever experienced the opposite.
I think the second part of their statement is correct.
Usually a car that feels, you know, pretty good below the limit.
Well, no, they fall apart.
Some of them fall apart at eight tenths.
We've talked about that before.
Like a lot of Jaguars usually did that.
But feel good at the limit.
So I have one.
I mean, and I have one that's interesting.
The BMW M2, I'm not particularly interested in most of the time.
But when I had it on the track and I went full off, it's a complete animal that you have to like
fucking ride like a bull around the track.
Like he wants to spin the tires through fourth gear.
It is so unbelievably pointy.
If you're breaking and you turn in, it will initiate a slide.
And like that's the shit.
Like when you go full off in an M2 on a track, it's unbelievably fun.
I don't find it all that interesting on the street.
Yeah, I think that's true.
A lot of cars now are, unless they're loud, I think
character seems to be getting engineered out of cars just by having all the NVH and stuff.
So if it's quiet inside, it's less about being at the limit and more about like,
you can truly experience the car.
But below that, they can feel too quiet.
Yeah, Matt, paradigm titties.
Matt, paradigm titties.
There you go.
I have a lifted 2024 runner that I want to trade in.
I live in Colorado and want more mountain power.
Put stock tires back on your 401 or you get like 100 horsepower.
But I also want to get to campsites and do some medium off-roading reliably.
I have an FJ Cruiser for more hardcore stuff.
Is the Land Cruiser 250 a good pick or should I get a 2020 GX460?
Look, I don't do much off-roading like so.
And we drove the Land Cruiser and it was nice.
The one we drove was the hybrid one, the four-cylinder hybrid one,
which I thought was pretty good at off-roading.
And I thought it was better than the Lexus, not better, it was a better value than the
Lexus GX that they're selling right now, which for all of its price difference did not
really feel all that much different most of the time.
I think the 2020, the V8.
The V8 is 2021, right?
It's an LX too. This is a GX, which is a V8.
I mean, the fuel economy will be way better in the new car than the old car.
But I don't know what it's like to drive the current Land Cruiser at 8,000 feet up and down
mountains. I really don't. I drove it slowly up an off-road trail and other than that, just a
round L. It might be good at that because it's a hybrid plus it has a turbo.
So that might help it. It'll certainly be nicer. It'll be nice inside.
But I don't know if I was going to own one for a really long time, I would drift towards the
GX just because it's an old Lexus V8. It seems like a really known quantity.
Yeah, yeah.
Ali Denishvar, which traditional OEM where brands have entered the EV market,
which one has been the most successful?
Like what mainstream OEM that entered the EV market has been the most successful?
Oh, it's the Nomersadies.
I would say either Ford or Hyundai Kia.
Probably, right? Yeah.
Probably, probably Hyundai Kia, they've expanded to a whole line of cars.
I think I see more, yeah, because like the EV9, I see a lot of those.
There's a ton of EV9s around.
I think it's like one of the best three-row SUV EVs you can, like it's one of the best offered
out there. There's also a bunch of the IONIQ 6s. IONIQ 6s. I see a lot of 5s here too.
I don't see that many Mach E's. I see like, I don't know, one a week, maybe two a week.
I saw a rally up in Malibu. Two Mach E's a week? Oh, I see a lot of Mach E's around,
but I don't, I see a lot more EV6s and IONIQ 5s than I do Mach E's.
Yeah. BMW Electrics are just not that interesting to me. They're kind of bland in ways that,
like there's very little about a BMW EV that makes it stand out to me from a Hyundai or Kia EV
or Ford in a meaningful way, which is unfortunate. Same goes for kind of Audi. You have to get pretty,
your high-end EVs have to be pretty fucking odd. Like, Taycan drives like a Porsche in a lot of ways,
which is really to its benefit. The Lucid and the Rivian are unique in their own ways. The Lucid's
packaging, the Rivian's like software and speed and build quality. Those are really, really good.
If you're for just like average regular cars, tough to justify a BMW electric car.
I may be a snowflake, but my grand seiko is two. Anytime I hear anyone speak about Audi sports
sedans, they say they get boring after about three months, but I never hear that about the Golf R.
It's not the same car, but a platform is a platform. Despite this, the Golf R is talked about
positively as a long-term solution, but the RS3 isn't. I think we, like we've said,
and when you've heard from customers, like the RS6 boars them after a couple of months.
Yeah. The bigger sedans. The bigger sedans. I think it's less common with the smaller ones,
because the people that are buying Golf Rs and RS3s, I think, are driving enthusiasts more.
You know, they've made a little more money than maybe Civic Type R people. They want to have a
slightly nicer car. They want an M2 with four doors, basically. But I think there's a deeper,
like, love and interest in those cars. They're bought by enthusiasts versus fast Audi sedans,
S6, S8, RS7, whatever. It's like someone's just rotating into their newest fast sedan,
and they go, okay, I've done it. What else is out there?
Yeah. And I don't think the RS3 and the S3 are in the same class as those bigger cars. I think
the things you say about the Golf R probably apply to those two cars fairly equally.
I think the RS3, S3 and the Golf R are all made to bring car enthusiasts into the brand
and in the hope that they will then buy a Q6 when they have kids. That's what it's for.
Right. David, two of the pink one in the stink wants us to weigh in on this
auction on bring a trailer that allegedly uses AI images. Pick 18, it has two column shifters.
Can we take a look at that? Is this for real? No reserve withdrawn. Well, I guess it was withdrawn
for this reason. But let's go look at Pick 18 with the two column shifters. So, well, first,
like this... Something looks a little weird about this.
It looks like the car is coming out of the ground on this third picture. Look at the angle
of the seat and the road behind it. Yeah, something's weird there, but keep going.
All right, this is... Go down to the gallery, all the way to the gallery, and let's go to the
Pick number 18. If you click one, it'll bring it up and you can just click the arrows. Here's 16.
Oh, shit. Oh, wow. There do appear to be two column shifters. Can you zoom in? Click the magnifying
glass top right. Let's see if we can punch in on that further. Is that all we've got? No?
Oh, let me punch in. That's it. Well, that does look a little wonky.
There do appear to be two column shifters coming out of the steering column there.
And there was another one that said the floor mats were pebbles.
Cobbles down in the floor. I mean, yes, you got two shift. This is... And this... Like the vent's
weird. No, I don't know if that's weird, but the two column shifters is bad, for sure.
Wait, wait, look. There's no door frame. Look, this door, that's not a frameless door.
Correct. Here's a photo showing the passenger side interior door card, and there's literally
no forward door frame in a car that does have four fucking frames.
Now, what's funny is there's a huge side mirror, and then there's just nothing above it.
Yeah. It's just open. But there's a rear door frame. That's fucking hilarious, dude.
Wow. So how did... What? Like what? I mean, this is a picture of the odometer,
and it's got like a reflection of someone's hand. So someone...
You think there was someone just cleaning it all up or something?
No, I think someone wanted to see if they could get away with this.
Like, do you think it's a fake car? Yeah.
You think it's a completely fake car? Yeah.
And you think someone was going to collect money and then just not deliver a car?
Possible. Or they were just testing their software and like...
Like, look, what better place to test your fake car software than on an auction
site where people pay attention to everything? Yeah. And... Like this...
Uh... I mean, I don't know. But I don't do... So you think it's a completely fake car?
I don't think so. I think this is... I think some of the pictures were fake, though.
I think some of the pictures are fake, and some of the pictures are real.
Weird. Now, you know, maybe... Now, your theory also holds water. Like,
someone took these pictures of the regular car, and then they're like,
oh, let's clean these up a bit. Yeah. And they just... They ran it and they uploaded.
And then they went, oh, fuck, it cleaned it up and added two shifters. But that's...
Yeah, that might be a thing. I think it's more likely that somebody...
Oh, look, look at the back. The back is cobblestone.
It's cobblestone carpet. So for people listening, the car is parked on like a cobblestone-ish
stone driveway. Yeah. And now the carpet in the back seat has kind of mirrored that
pattern of multiple different sized blocks. And then it's gone. The next picture,
you know, the next picture, and it's just the normal rug. Yeah. This is really weird.
That's pretty funny, dude. Oh, look, in this photo, all the carpets are cobblestone,
in photo number 30. Do you have raining on the cell phone number asking what's going on?
Dude, this guy fucked up. Dude, this is so funny. Oh, look, look, look, look, you get
something right in the cobblestone. So the radiator support is gone,
and you can just see the cobblestones through it, which, you know, actually could be real
if they're missing that part. This is wild. Dude, that... Oh, look, there it is.
It's back. Look, the radiator shroud has returned.
That's so... Yeah, I think your idea... Man, these pictures...
Dude, someone was just real lazy. I think you're right, because the shadow on this is all really
nice and artsy, and they kind of turn the contrast up on the photo a bit. Yeah.
But here, they just ran it through, yeah, AI, you know, Adobe Photoshop, automatic process,
and it fucked their world up. This is why you should have West Side Collector
Car Storage help you list your car. That's just saying. That's crazy. That's so funny.
You fucked up, bro. Nice mid-mod house, though, in the back, little Beverly Hills vine.
It's definitely Grandpa's fucking Cadillac of Beverly Hills. Hell yeah.
Yeah. Very... Wow. That's problematic.
That rules... God, that's so funny. I love that.
Oh, man. I like the... Carl's Motsamal Soup says,
what would your dream movie be? Dude, we...
I would have... I looked at this question earlier, and I was like, this is complicated.
I would have George Miller, who did, you know, wrote and directed
Mad Max Fury Road, and have him direct some car movie, and only practical effects.
That's all I got.
I couldn't tell you what my dream movie would be. I think it's...
That's crazy. It's too complicated a question.
Instead, I'll tell you this. Hannah was on Facebook Marketplace yesterday morning,
as she is most mornings, and she found a Demolition Man movie car set.
It is a set of all the GM concept cars used in Demolition Man make-off for $50,
and now we have new additions to the Demolition Man bathroom.
We can put them in the bathroom. We're gonna have to make a shelf.
You know what would be cool? You could, like, stick them to the wall, like,
as if they're driving up a wall, like a chase.
Oh, that could be fun. Some sticky things.
Christian just got us a cordless hot glue gun, so we will have a need to play with that.
There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matt's missing Kuntas part. If you had to pick one car that the worst drivers drive,
what is it? This is very easy. Model 3.
The Model 3 or a Nissan Altima. Those are your two gold standards.
Light bias says, is Breitling turning their fortunes around with the enthusiast crowd?
There seems to be very solid feedback on their new in-house movements.
It seems like they're still in limbo. What can Breitling do to better their standing?
I think Breitling's watches look really nice right now.
The problem with Breitling was, like, they got, when my dad was running Ralph Lauren,
and, like, rappers and shit started buying clothes, like Kanye started buying polos,
all these guys started buying clothes. Ralph very wisely, like, resisted the urge
to change anything in order to target this new customer base.
Fucking headfirst, right? Tommy Hilfiger changed his shit all around to target that type of customer.
And then when that trend went away, Hilfiger was fucked and Ralph was able to continue on.
Breitling was Hilfiger. Breitling went with these huge, blingy, gaudy shit,
and then almost overnight, huge watches were, like, instantly not cool anymore.
So they had to, like, redesign all their shit to be a little more contemporary,
and now they're doing a nice job. But just like all other Swiss watch brands that aren't Rolex AP
or Patek, you know, you still want to buy one used, like fucking 50% off, right? They're like any
mid-tier luxury Swiss brand. Their watches will depreciate, you can probably negotiate a bit in
the stores, but they are quite nice. And I just, I'm having my super ocean service right now,
so I can wear it later this, when I go to the Caribbean later.
I know your birthday just happened, but I'm looking at the Breitling NFL editions,
and I think I found, I'm going to get you your birthday present early.
The other thing is, they went from these corny-ass Bentley watches to now they're doing these
corny-ass NFL edition watches, and so sometimes they just can't help themselves. What do you get at
there? Partnership. But I like the Premier. Go back to the website. On the right, the Premier is
their vintage style. These are very nice. I'm a big, the Premier BO1, that one right in the middle
on the steel bracelet. Oh, this one looks like it might be gold, because it's rose gold.
All right, it's rose gold. But that, just this one, but like in steel, what the fuck is their
website doing? Whoa. Habibi. Sorry, I just gave everyone an epileptic seizure. Yeah, websites,
you have to put a trigger on that motherfucker, but that's a very pretty watch. I really like
these Breitling Premieres. That's in the middle, the pistachio. That, that's fucking class. That's
real nice. This is like a pink-orange face. Pink-orange? Yeah. Oh my god. Did I call it
pistachio? All right, stop clicking on it, brother. There it is. That's a beautiful watch.
I don't like the leather. I would get it on bracelet, but that's a beautiful watch.
Alligator. Can I let you answer these while I go to the restroom?
Yeah, I have to pee, too. I think we should end our show soon.
Great. Michael Cosgrove says suggestions for a new car to replace my daily driver M3.
That's 90% as competent navigating fast-moving highway traffic, but 20% better sound and comfort.
I have a Boxster for a weekend sports car itch. I really wish you specified if you wanted,
if you were willing to get an electric car, because if you are, you should get a Taycan.
Assuming you want a gas car, I would say 90% as competent as an M3,
navigating highway traffic, but 20% better sound and comfort.
Well, you could get something like a regular BMW 340M Sport, which would pretty much be that
same thing. If you wanted to keep it in the BMW family, you could also get a gas Macan,
which I think of like a gas Macan GTS would be sweet. You could get a
Genesis G80. That would be pretty cool. You could get a Audi S5, which I don't really love the new
S5, but maybe you do. You could get the Lexus IS500 while you've got that really cool engine. That
GBT Q50. I had PPF put on my Alfa Romeo 4C back in October 2016. I'm going to continue to hold
onto the car. Should I have the shop take off the old PPF and put on new PPF since you've mentioned
not to let it go too long? I would. I would if you think you're going to keep it for another 10 years.
I definitely would. What are the risks if you don't have it removed or replaced? The longer it
sits, the harder it is to get off. That's the problem. I mean, whoever takes it off,
it's going to be a bitch. It might cost you more money. 2016, that's like a Larry question.
Normally, we have problems with PPF removal when it's like pre-2012. 16 is like a transitional
kind of area. You could probably get that off without much trouble, but I wouldn't let it sit
for 10 years. 10 years with PPF is about when I would take it off and replace it.
Check engine light bulb remover club. What do you look for in your watch movements? Accuracy,
robustness, innovation, decoration, in-house heritage? Does it depend on the brand or is it
even high on your list of considerations with a watch? Wow. I'll take this one.
Have you ever ... I mean, do you think about your watch movements much?
But I just trust what I have. I've got Notice and Rolex and the Weiss and I'm like,
these are nice. These are nice. I think about the Weiss movement because I met the guy that made
it and I saw how he made it. Sure. Well, let's see. The fact is, I don't think about movements all
that often. I think about them when they are novel. I think about Spring Drive. The interest in
Spring Drive led me to Grand Seiko. I think about the Weiss movement because my friend made it and
because it's a hand wine. I like looking at the back of that Speedmaster because it's an uncovered
chronograph movement and there's a ton of stuff going on in there to look at and that's kind of fun.
But like most of the time, I am not necessarily thinking about movements the same way as I'm
thinking about how it feels on my wrist, how it looks, how it sits. Does it keep good enough time?
That sort of thing. If the movement is crucial to my appreciation of the watch,
then that's a different story. But I think as long as the movement keeps good time
and is robust enough that it can handle my day-to-day life, then it's not as high as the fit,
the look, and the story of the watch for me. Last one and then I have to P2, but it's also
Matt Paradem Titis. What pivotal sports car if erased from existence would change car culture
as it is today? Miata. Right? Yeah. Miata or 9-11? Erase from existence meaning never happened.
Dino. Ferrari Dino? Dino. Okay. Mid-engine, right? Yeah. Their first mid-engine road car offering.
Would other people have followed suit? I mean, someone else probably would have done it, but...
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot of pivotal sports cars. NSX. Yeah.
If you never get the NSX, Ferrari never starts building good cars.
Yeah, I would actually choose that over the Dino. Yeah. That's a good one.
Thanks, everybody. I appreciate you. Our next show I'm going to be doing from Sedona because
I'm going on a little road trip for Road and Track to scout for the Desert 600. It's up at
experiences.roadandtrack.com. You can sign up and come drive with me in April.
We're starting in Vegas, doing Las Vegas Motor Speedway, we're doing Valley of Fire,
we're doing Zion National Park, we're going to Sedona, staying in O'Bears, and then we're
ending in Scottsdale. It's going to be a fun mountain desert roads, cool race tracks, good
times, great hotels, and I'm going to make sure the road is really good in the next five days.
So I'll talk to you later this week from Sedona. Thanks to our patrons for such good questions.
Thanks to everybody else for listening. Bye.
About this episode
Aston Martin DBX S takes center stage as the hosts review its performance and design, highlighting its exclusivity and driving dynamics. They also discuss the Gunther Works prototype based on the Ferrari 458, exploring its potential market appeal. The episode dives into a recent Ferrari auction result that raised eyebrows, alongside a humorous segment about AI-generated car listings on Bring a Trailer. The hosts share their thoughts on various automotive topics, including the quirks of modern car technology and the impact of electric vehicles on traditional brands.
ADAS
carbon fiber
CarPlay Ultra
lane keep assist
magnesium wheels
spool
Subaru of Englewood
SUV
turbo
unsprung weight
Acura NSX
Aston Martin DBX
Aston Martin Valhalla
Aston Martin Vanquish
Audi Q8
Audi RS 3
Audi RS7 Sportback
Audi S3
Audi S5
Audi S6
Audi S8
BMW M2
BMW M3
BMW M Coupe (E36)
BMW X5
Cadillac Escalade
Chevrolet Corvette
Ferrari 12Cilindri
Ferrari 458
Ferrari Dino 208 GT4
Ferrari F40
Ferrari F50
Ford Bronco
Ford Mustang
Ford Mustang GTD
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Ford Ranger
Genesis G80
Hummer H1 2 Door Hardtop
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Ioniq 6
Hyundai Santa Fe
Infiniti Q50
Kia EV6
Kia EV9
Lamborghini Huracan
Lamborghini Urus
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mercedes-Benz GLE
Nissan Altima
Porsche 911
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche Macan
Porsche Taycan
Subaru Crosstrek
Subaru Forester
Subaru Outback
Tesla Model 3
Toyota FJ Cruiser
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota RAV4
Original notes
Matt Farah reviews the new 717HP Aston Martin DBX; he and Zack Klapman talk about their time in a modified Ferrari 458 and how it might reinvigorate interest in the aging legend; an auction of prancing horses makes no sense; an old Cadillac listing has some VERY strange pictures; and we answer Patreon questions including:
Is the 2014-2018 Audi RS7 a good replacement for my Golf R?
Is the GTS model of a Porsche EV worth it?
Crazier: $1.8M for a Ferrari 360CS or $18M for an Enzo?
How would we want to "be the hero"?
Why do people call fast Audis boring but fast VWs great?
Do boring cars get better the faster you drive?
What to replace my lifted 4Runner with?
Most successful ICE brand that pivoted to EV?
WHAT is happening with this 1999 Cadillac listing?
Which car has the worst drivers?
How did Breitling come back?
Replace my PPF?
And more?
Recorded January 19, 2026
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