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Aston Martin Bringing Manual Transmissions and V12 Engines Back! Ferrari Goes EV!

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Hello, and welcome to this car. I'm Ken, I'm Felipe and let's get into it starting with the news. Ah yes, our

first news story, tariffs. What's the news story? The news story is this, they didn't happen. Here's a funny story. We had, we had a clip that happened to

go up right when he was saying he would do the tariffs where we were like he's not going to do the tariffs, and people like this age, bad, the

and then he didn't do the tariffs, we were right.

All right, on Saturday, the Trump administration announced

they would put 25% tariffs on all goods

from Canada and Mexico and 10% additional tariffs

on all goods from China.

It was mid-day Friday and it was a tough situation,

but yes, that is exactly what happened.

They actually said mid-day Friday

that it would be announcing the tariffs on Saturday.

Be careful, but then on Monday, they rolled them back

and they never went to effect.

Now, there's a one month freeze.

There's a one month freeze.

I will say, I don't know where this is gonna go in,

so I don't want to devote a lot of time to it.

It is hard to explain how significant of an impact

this would have on the auto industry.

An enormous number of cars are built in Canada and Mexico.

Enormous number, not just cars

that you think of being Canadian and Mexican,

like the Brooklyn SV-1 and the shredded MX-2.

They came first to my mind.

I'm talking about like real cars.

Oh, most cars that you can think of

as the best selling car.

The Chevy Camaro built, at least in part

in one of those two places.

Well, that's the other thing.

Then there's a lot of suppliers

that are located down there.

I read an article saying the auto industry

would stop in one week if those tariffs came into place.

The big question mark,

and why we can't really speculate that much more,

is that even once they were communicated

to be going into place,

there wasn't that much great actual guidance on,

how does this work?

What is and is not exempt?

Because there's always car rights, car rights.

And that was really clear.

So there were a lot of estimates of what would happen.

Car prices could go up one to $9,000.

A lot of factory workers could be furloughed.

The tariffs are on hold for months.

We'll see what happens in a month.

It didn't happen in the end.

And I still, consistent with what I said in that short,

I still suspect they will not happen.

It's just too damaging to the economy

and the stock market hated it.

And the current administration is really tied

to how the stock market feels about their policies.

And I have a suspicion they're just not going to let it happen.

Is my guess.

We'll see, I guess.

Okay, move on to our next news story, please.

Ah yes.

Yes, Aston Martin.

This has been a very big week for Aston Martin.

So those of you who are unfamiliar,

a little while ago they hired a new CEO,

Adrian Hallmark.

He came over from...

That's this fellow.

He came over from Bentley.

And he has...

That feels right.

Some big ideas.

So the first thing was that regarding their EV,

which they said was going to come out soon,

he said, no, we're pushing that side of the road.

Which is not, again, not a surprise.

We talked about it recently.

A lot of manufacturers are doing this.

But Aston Martin, not only pushing it,

all enthusiasts go, yes, you know,

just another win over an EV.

Aston have a agreement with Lucid to purchase their engines.

Right, so it's a little bit different.

So yes, they talked about that a little bit.

They were doing some collaboration with Lucid.

But they like to push that down the road.

The most interesting thing, though, that came out of this.

The most interesting thing was that the CEO,

in addition to a bunch of other things,

said we need manual transmissions.

He believes in the idea that he's seen Porsche's business model.

What they've been able to do with the 9-11-R started

and the ST and the special Porsche's that have manuals.

And he said, we need that.

Now admittedly, he had recognized

that Aston Martin does currently make

your manual transmission in the valour of a lore, however,

it's pronounced.

But even he was like, Harry McHap said it wasn't very good.

And I think he kind of felt the same.

But he realized he also said that they need

to make more special versions of existing line cars,

which is also in line with Porsche's business models.

That's your GT3s, your GT4s, et cetera.

Yes, car to take it directly to the 9-11-ST.

And it's an interesting concept.

Now, I will point out, Aston has tried this before.

Like they did, remember when they did

the limited run, V12 Vantage with the manual.

And nobody really cared, right?

It wasn't like the GT3 where people are lining up down the block

and people are posting on the run list

about how their spoiler tips are going to be

in a slightly different color than the rest of their car.

While that is true, now the cars are going more EV,

which will tend to another story.

We'll get to in a minute.

That's a good point.

So here's them standing in their own.

And which is exactly what we said, that if Ferrari won't do it,

somebody else should, who has an exotic car brand.

If anyone is gonna, it makes sense for Aston, too,

because they, I wouldn't want to say they have nothing to lose,

but they're like, oh, no, no, I'll say they have nothing to lose.

They're not in a great spot.

Like Ferrari is obviously gone on a different direction,

but is making a lot of money.

Aston, you might as well give it a try.

Well, you know what, you know what, agent homework

is one of my favorite quotes.

I have to get this exactly.

He said, my mission is to be the first CEO in 112 years

to make Aston Martin sustainably profitable,

which is quite a thing.

Ford couldn't do it.

Ford, agent.

I will say, it's interesting.

Overed Bentley, he obviously had a big impact.

He made the, he gave the continental GT of the eight,

decontented that car.

Sold many of them though.

No, I killed the mosaun.

He's a trader.

No, it's an interesting idea, but I think what the brand made.

It's Aston Martin.

It is, but they had a seven-speed manual vanage,

which was the only way to get a manual and an AMG engine,

and they still couldn't sell this.

That's the thing, they did this.

They had manual vanages up until a couple years ago

and no one was buying them or interested in them

or even really knew they existed.

I think it's, well, from everything they read,

there were a lot of flaws with it.

It wasn't implemented, that wasn't developed.

Regardless, like, I hate to say it,

but Aston Martin has the same flaw as Jaguar and Maserati,

which is, they are not enthusiast brands.

They are luxury brands.

Like, enthusiasts don't want them.

People who want luxury things want them.

You know what I'm saying?

So there's not like, this way Aston's depreciate like crazy,

they overproduce the cars.

They're not like cars that you and I line up to buy.

It's not like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche.

They're not an enthusiast brand.

Could they become one?

It would take a lot of work and a lot of investment.

They built the factory to build an SUV

that now retails on the use market for $47,000.

I think that there is a chance they could do it.

With the right cars, with the right reviews

of those cars, with the right public perception,

the right marketing, it is doable.

And it is filling a niche that you both have said

that I don't care about, but the you both have said

is a necessary one.

Yeah.

Aston Martin, though.

I don't look at it.

I appreciate the fact that I want to see

what they're going to do.

His vision is, he said, it made like these changes.

Some of these changes are going to come in the next year,

year and a half, where they're going to start

implementing these things.

But the special edition models will take longer,

like the real ones.

Remember when they made all those weird special edition

managers on that O6 body?

And again, it felt more like lipstick on a pig

than like a GT3 on that.

Yes, but think about it.

Some of them literally had lipstick.

But think about, yes, that is true.

But think about how desirable that VA vantage actually was.

How many of those they saw, the DB9, same thing.

They saw tons and tons of those.

So what happened?

Like, I think that the idea of following someone

with a strong vision for what they should be doing

and giving that a real shot is the way to go.

It's what Andreus Pranger is done in Porsche.

It's one guy with a very strong vision.

And I shouldn't be too fatalistic

until they started when I saw see it happens.

I just have seen them try it before.

They did manuals, they did special editions.

And neither had a big impact.

And now they're in what I would consider

to be a pretty rough spot.

And rough spot, but if they make exciting cars,

they make exciting cars.

If Ferraris are silent in EVs

and Aston Martin still have V12s on them,

that's compelling.

And on that subject.

Well, we're not quite there.

We're still on Aston Martin.

Ooh, the next new story has to do

with the Valkyrie speaking of 12 cylinder engines.

So Aston Martin Valkyrie, we all,

it's this insane looking super car, NAV12,

calls with 12V12.

So they have announced they're taking it racing.

And when I say racing,

I'm actually going to use a V12 engine on a racetrack,

which hasn't been done.

He's in that engine that's in the Valkyrie that I drove.

That's my understanding.

Yes, a race bread version of that engine.

So that version, that engine seemed pretty race bread.

Like you couldn't speak in the car

or be in the car without your plugs.

Yeah, but I'm sure a race car

tried to get in and be like,

maybe, but dude, it was like vibration city

and it revbed to 15,000.

I've never seen anything like that.

Well, yes.

So they're going racing with an NAV12 in Le Mans.

Yeah, so the girls get to Le Mans.

So it's going to debut later this month

like a car is where they're going to actually have

the first time this car will debut on track.

But they have a really big year set for it.

They're also going to take place

at the 12 hours of seabring

and then their goal is to get to Le Mans.

They've already done 9,230 miles of development testing

with the car.

That's one little is a lot.

Someone drove that car 9,230 miles.

That's what they're saying since the car.

Yes, since the car was in testing July of last year.

I drove that car 11 miles from PCH to Newport Coast Drive.

Back down Newport Coast Drive,

back down PCH, I decided I never wanted to get inside it

again as long as I live.

You know, this is an interesting story also

because we're not talking about it today,

but we should.

Ford also announced this week or last week

they're going back to Le Mans.

And what racing has had a resurgence for our reason there now.

Everybody's obsessed with Formula One.

I honestly thought, and I don't like to talk about it

because people already know I'm not a big motor sports guy.

But I honestly thought there was a period in the late 2000s

into the 2010s and 20s when racing maybe was like had

seen its peak and was kind of sunsetting.

And that's still kind of true in NASCAR,

which is really, but Le Mans racing and Formula One

are like the most popular they've ever been

in their entire history.

Yeah, for Formula One, obviously it comes back

to the marketing that Liberty has done

with like the whole series on Netflix and like getting them back.

But no, it's exciting.

And it's exciting to see real manufacturers,

like a storied manufacturers who have won in the past, do this.

And the Ferrari is there and that acid is there

and that Ford's going to be like, this is,

these are, this is like the real stuff.

This isn't like Audi just winning every year

because they're the only ones who tried.

With diesel power, by the way.

Let's go buy it a bit more.

You know, it wasn't anything dominated for a decade.

That was a lot.

Audi, if you're listening, heck of a job.

No, it really was.

That was a serious effort.

But this is, now it's like really competitive in legit.

Everybody's back.

It's like racing is like return.

Well, and think, I mean, yeah, just watching it next year

Ferrari, Battle, Aston Martin, like it is,

it will be exciting.

It will be cool to see these cars

and to see these, now they're trying to sell

on the back of this stuff.

Aston is essentially selling a street version of this car.

I mean, that's pretty cool.

I mean, yeah, if this car wins, I mean, imagine like that.

That is so cool.

So I'm, I'm rooting, I'm rooting for Aston Martin

commercially and I'm rooting for them on the race track.

Well, that's another thing.

If the two tie in, right?

Like if this is a successful thing

then that brings enthusiasts interested into the brand

and suddenly they have kind of something going here.

Yes, so it's possible.

And suddenly Aston Martin becomes an enthusiast brand.

Meanwhile, yes, you're putting together a Ferrari dashboard

that goes inside an SUV.

Yes, for the UK market potential.

It looks like it's a right hand drive.

But anyway, Singapore, so it's going to Singapore.

So yes, on the topic of Ferrari,

they have announced that they're going to have,

their EV is going to launch on October 9th.

They've picked a date.

So that car that we talked about a couple weeks ago or two,

eight months from now or a day to fear as I do.

Because they said they're going to launch it in a quote,

unique and innovative way,

which means it will be incredibly cringy and very bizarre.

Just like Jaguar did.

But it is interesting.

So, you know, we knew this was coming.

We saw testing about it a couple of weeks ago.

But on the topic of hybrids and electric stuff,

Ferrari says that 51% of Ferrari's,

they sold in 2024 were hybrids.

So that's the 2.96 GTB and GTS and then the SF-

They're wondering which is essentially their volume car.

Which is essentially their volume car.

Which so it makes sense.

But it is the sport utility vehicle hybrid EV 12.

But we know there will be a hybrid version.

But in 2024, an EV 12.

An EV 12.

So, you know, take that.

But it is.

I do take that.

I drove one. It was great.

It was interesting in reading this.

I also read some more stats.

So, you know, the Chinese market is what they're talking

specifically, which has a huge appetite for EV.

So it makes sense that I suspect a lot of Ferrari,

of these Ferrari EVs will probably end up going there.

But that, but again, like it's clear that this is like we talked about.

This is a different Ferrari customer to the,

yeah, that's what I think.

I wanted to, I, we did, I did that whole segment on Ferrari's

luster, had they lost their luster.

And there was a lot of comments about that.

And I want to cover that maybe now, maybe later.

Let's cover it now.

Um, by the way, can I say one thing?

Sorry, the dog is up 8% since they released profit numbers

earlier this week.

They may have $1.5 billion US in, okay.

I want to make a point here, I want to make a point here

about my Ferrari lost its luster take.

Because Ferrari's got record profits.

Their stock price is like seven, eight X from when they launched

on the, on the stock market.

They're selling more cars than ever.

They're killing making more money per car than ever, 13,752 last year.

13,000 cars last year.

They're, they're obviously absolutely killing it.

So I'm sitting over here with my Ferrari lost its luster take.

And there are some people who are questioning,

maybe the sanity of that take.

Uh-huh.

You know, what I, you know what I want to amend to that too?

Two things.

First off, about 70% of the people who watch that seem to think

that I was complaining about the cars themselves.

I don't care about the cars.

They seem to be fine.

I don't know.

It's not what I was talking about.

I was really specifically talking about their former business

strategy, which was that they would sell a lot of cars to certain people just to get

them out the door.

And then those people would then be invited to buy certain cars.

And that was like a big portion of their market.

It seems to me that in the sense of that strategy, Ferrari has lost its luster.

However, I also am starting to realize they're going to, they're moving on from that strategy.

Oh, they no longer care about trying to sell the same 12 cylinder models to rich guys

so that those guys will buy the Enzo's and that, and that all those cars get sold and

resold and everybody makes money.

Ferrari doesn't care about that anymore.

What I think Ferrari cares about is just selling cars to people whoever they are.

And I think they are going to see a situation where you don't have to be invited to buy a

Ferrari, where you don't have to have bought five other ones before, but you just have to be

rich.

And to be fair, maybe that's the way there's a lot of wealthy people.

Yep.

Now, there's a lot of the income disparities increasingly, even more wealth disparities

have.

I mean, there's a lot more people that can afford some caliber of Ferrari and also probably

their base models are better than they once were.

Yeah.

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I do think that I do think that yes, there are more rich people than ever.

And I think Ferrari is sitting here looking at this and saying, why are we limiting production,

limiting demand, and only selling cars to certain people who honestly will eventually

age out?

Like why not just open it up to the whole world of rich people because now the drawback

is the whole world of rich people include some really tasteless questionable.

But I think if you're Ferrari, like you're a public company, you're like whatever.

And so when I'm sitting here being like, they're not, they're not going to be able to sell

12 cylindries now.

I mean, I probably was like, we don't care, we're selling them to, we're selling them

in China.

We're selling them to people who have billions and don't care about how the waiting in

line to get one.

That was always Jay Leno's complaint.

Now Ferrari's over here being like, screw it.

Personally, I've never liked the gate keeping that they do.

However, it does start to smell a little bit like Mazorati when you see him everywhere

and it does lose.

It's like you're working.

The argument would be tough.

You like the old ones, play with the old ones, we're going to, we're going to sell a lot

of cars to a lot of rich people.

You do have to be careful because you still need to be appealing as an automaker.

You have to have something like scarcity.

They're going to put in.

They're going to push it.

And they might push too far.

One interesting thing that has happened that has allowed these automakers to really push

it is Asia.

So back in the day, you could only sell expensive cars in two places, the United States and Switzerland.

That was there.

That was true from the 1940s until yesterday afternoon, pretty much, like kind of seriously.

Asia has allowed all these companies to open up.

They can pretty much double their volume and nobody in the Switzerland and America realizes

right.

We don't think that they're any less special than they ever were because we don't go to

China and see them everywhere.

Last year, they put a 10% cap on the cars they were delivering to China.

I suspect that number changes dramatically.

They just increase it 10% every year and eventually 300,000 cars in China.

What was your sad 20% of their revenue came from production?

Oh, so yeah, I found this.

Yes.

If you ever look at a Ferrari window sticker, there's a little section that says there's

some options and it says other and usually it is an insane figure, 50 grand, 100 grand.

I've seen 200,000 dollars in options.

Ferrari says that last year, 20% of their total revenue came from just options.

Paint colors, leather, like leather, I mean, the company doesn't.

It's a different Ferrari.

Seats are $2,500 extra on a Ferrari.

They're standard on a RAV4 hybrid car.

Absolutely.

Things 49.

Like, yeah, of course they made a lot of money.

But surely the profit margin is quite significant for that too.

And if you can help people to do it.

So the dealers won't let people order base cars.

You walk in and you say, I want a Nicki Minaj super base.

They say, get out, they say, you got to put 100 in options on this car to hit quotas.

You got to do it.

Anyway, the point is, Ferrari has not lost its luster.

I apologize deeply for the folks who didn't understand the incredible nuance in my concern

about their luster.

They're concerned about their luster.

But I think Ferrari's point would be we're selling cars and make them money.

It's for you.

Specifically you, specifically guys like you, who remember like the old era.

Well, I think specifically they don't care about the guys like you.

They're saying we got new people who have new money.

They want cars.

Well, we'll make them for them.

And also in the long run, we're all dead.

So they don't need to solve cars forever.

Well, Ferrari also, another thing that's important about Ferrari and specifically the EV and

the Asia thing is Ferrari's name is not as strong in China.

And so they got to get these cars in the hands of billions.

Is it not?

All the Western brands names are not the most globally recognized brand.

And I mean, I don't think it's weak in China.

Porsche, all these brands do not, you know, they sell like 2, 9, 11s a year in China.

Like they, they're not as interested in our Western status symbols quite as much as

we are.

They got to send those cars out and get those cars in the hands of Chinese.

They make them visible.

They got to make them visible.

And so let's sell, sell, sell.

And they have.

Now we'll go too far.

We'll find out.

Yes, they will.

He already thinks they've gone too far.

I know they're going.

There's absolutely no question.

They have the mouse router.

I hope.

I just like the old ones is giving my old ones and continue to supply parts for them.

And just like they've built like garbage back then.

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All right, next news story, Audi, here's a picture of Audi's lineup.

It's a sea of grain.

It's 2015.

Yeah.

Every car is great.

2015, 2015.

2015 ash.

2015 because I think it's free checking.

Okay.

What is the news story?

Yeah.

All right.

You obviously are very familiar with Audi's current naming structure.

Yes.

It's one of the easiest to follow.

About a year or two ago, they announced they were changing it.

And all EVs were going to be even diverse and all gas power cards were going to be odd

numbers.

Right.

The A5 and the A4 were going to be gas and electric versions of each other.

They've walked that back and now they will, all electric cards will have e-tron after

them.

And all gas cards will have TFSI after them.

But that means that they were about to reveal a new A7, which would not going to be the

hash bracket once was.

It's going to be the A6 with gas powered.

But now that will be the A6.

Let me give you a little trick.

Audi had three products, the 80.

There was the 90, the 100 and the 200.

The 100 and the 200 were just trim levels of each other.

So the 90 was a completely different car.

A guy named Johan Dinesh and came in 1996, renamed the whole thing.

You know what he did?

A4, A6, A8.

It was so simple, so simple in fact that every other brand since then has been trying

to copy it.

Including himself.

Including himself and other infinity and Cadillac.

All these brands started copying.

Audi with the names in the last few years, remember the 55, 35, 75, which was based on

nothing.

That was, they're like the trim designation.

It was no longer 2.0 T.

It was 45 relative to other engines in the market.

So then they, they, they, they, they didn't even launch that in the US because the US product

plan over like, that's the dumbest thing we've ever did.

But nobody talks about it.

They launched in the US on like one model, the Q7 has that designation.

Yeah.

They launched it.

Cannot.

It was all over Europe and the Middle East.

Then they did Q4, Q6, A4, A5, A7.

Yeah.

I don't even think that's done.

I remember when they came out with the e-tron is their electric car and they realized

they had to come out with other cars called e-tron.

So they had an e-tron SUV and an e-tron sedan.

But then there was also a Q4 e-tron.

Yeah.

Horrible.

Yeah.

How did they screw this up so bad?

I think they're going back to the roots a little bit because there will be the A4,

the A6.

You know what?

The, this is just another example of what you said for Ari.

Bring us, you know what?

Let's back the 2015 lineup.

We loved it.

It's good.

Look at it.

Can you name any car here that's not the R8?

Do they point to it and name it?

A7, TT.

Oh.

Yeah.

That looks like we're going to A8 or something.

Nope.

That's the problem.

That was part of the problem.

That's an A4, by the way.

That's five.

Is it the all road?

Yeah.

All done.

Q7, Q5, Q3.

Well done.

You only got to come from.

Yeah.

It is weird that they did A3, A4, A6.

A8.

They did it just to mess with Kenneth.

Okay.

Bring us our next news form.

They got.

Please.

Ah, yes.

A Nissan Ultima and a Honda Accord.

Must be Filippo.

It looks like that.

Still from a straight pipes video.

Love it.

Love you straight pipes.

Don't check it.

You're right.

Right.

All right.

A few weeks ago we talked about how Honda and Nissan had kind of agreed to merge in some way

details TBD.

Yes.

Turns out those details will forever be TBD because they've basically said that they're

not going to do that.

I don't think they're forever.

TBD.

It sounds like.

So what happened was Honda said, hey, Nissan, you need to figure out your restructuring

and have a really good plan for that.

And but what we can do is make you like a subsidiary of Honda.

And Nissan was like, no, we're not going to do that.

And they were apparently quite offended by what Honda was implying and did not, there's

not going to be a subsidiary.

So Honda or some Nissan has said that they're not interested in merging anymore.

Well, now remember though, the rumors around this when it first was announced that the

Japanese government was pushing it.

Yes, they saw.

So, but right or not.

So if they still are, maybe they come back to the negotiating table at some point soon.

And remember, Nissan also, the other thing that was the other thing that was announced

around the same time was Nissan said they were going to run out of cash this year.

Yeah.

But they've stated the board, the Nissan board has stated pretty unequivocally presumably

with a lot of pressure from Renault that has a majority stakeholder of Nissan that they

do not agree to anything that Honda's proposed.

Well, that's not happened.

They'll be not agreeing to anything right until bankruptcy and solvency and then the entire

value of the company will be in their corporate headquarters in Nashville.

Right.

Whatever that's worth.

Right.

$47 million.

Some commercial real estate broker is going to sell Nissan in three years.

And Honda.

Dude, I'm telling you, they can say whatever they want.

This is happening.

Mark my words.

I don't know that you actually get agreement to do it.

There are other markum manufacturers, which is a city of Ontario that there are other

deals that I think the Japanese government would not be very open to, but would be a better

fit for Nissan in their current ideation.

Something's going to happen here.

Something's going to happen, but Honda doesn't really want to take on Nissan's issues.

Nissan isn't thrilled by being said, hey, you have issues.

And so here we are.

Something's going to happen here.

I know we all know Nissan has issues.

The only cars they sell are the Renault fleets and people with bad credit.

They haven't come out with a good car.

When was the last time naming Nissan sells three million cars a year globally?

2.0.

4 million of them are sold to Europe car and Avis and Enterprise and Hertz.

Yeah.

And Honda sells about a million cars more a year.

Yeah, but they don't sell the fleets at all.

Correct.

But I think that Honda has realized as they're doing some diligence, that Nissan's in a

tough situation and they can't be trusted to govern themselves is what I think Nissan

said or what Honda is saying.

And by the way, it sounds like I'm just saying that.

That's really cool.

Honda's saying Nissan can't govern themselves and the Nissan board says we don't want any

part of you.

Yeah.

This sounds like it's going to go well.

Yeah.

I think the last you heard of this news.

Oh, I agree.

Move on to the next segment which is talk about cars.

Okay.

I have three important talk cars segments today.

Four actually.

He has been frothing at the mouth.

Wow.

Four.

I have this discussion.

Four cars segments.

We have one.

What you already talked about.

Okay.

Check that one off.

Okay.

The second one.

I have a present for Filippo.

Oh.

I got a present part.

Was it four other days?

That's four other days.

Is it four other days?

And you know how I always, we like to have the exotic cars.

Yeah.

I got Filippo, his version of an exotic car.

No way.

Chevy Blazer EV.

I'm thrilled.

With moving parts.

This will undoubtedly be the worst selling matchbox car in history.

No, it's not going to be this worse.

Don't forget it was in the Barbie movie before it came out.

Now for you, I also got.

I'm so thrilled.

This is another really happy surprise.

Mercedes-Benz CLA shooting break.

Now I want to be clear about two things.

Number one, this is a 2020 model used.

Number two, this is not the AMG.

This is a CLA 180D.

Good.

All right.

I'm honored by both of these gifts.

Thank you.

Just threw it at it.

I was at the store.

I was at the target there.

Designed for a lifetime.

Unlike the CLA.

I think that model's actually already canceled.

I don't think they brought a shooting brand to the new CLA.

No.

So this is a Europe-only base model.

Wow.

And a car that nobody wants.

Chevy Blazer EV.

OK.

Hey, do you think that's the front wheel camera well there?

Do you think that's the front wheel drive Blazer EV?

The all wheel drive Blazer EV.

Or the rear wheel drive Blazer EV.

That's a really...

I'm going to open it up and find out.

Wow.

He's going to run all the time.

OK.

Why don't you open it up?

I want to move on to my next car.

It's like, which is the four-runner video?

I love the four-runner.

A new 400-fantastic car would be all.

True.

Fantastic car.

For your review.

Wonderful car.

I posted a video saying this.

And boy was there.

Some complaints.

If you read the comments of this four-runner video,

everybody is like, I'll keep my fifth gen.

Thanks.

This is the worst thing.

I can't believe they got rid of the V6.

It's the worst thing they ever did in the world.

And I just want to say to all the folks out there

on four-runner land who are haters, two things.

Number one, I was a kid when the fourth gen

and the fifth gen came out.

And I remember that they were hated when they came out.

The same level of hate that this thing has now.

The fifth gen came out.

Everybody said it was ugly, too advanced, too big,

and it lost the V8.

Everybody thought it was the crappiest crap that had ever crapped.

And now people are like, oh my god, I can't get my fifth gen off.

Same with the fourth gen.

Oh, I got rid of the third gen, the 3.4,

the greatest engine in the history of cars.

I can't believe you're coming out the four-liter.

This is a horrible thing.

Why would you do this to us?

Mark my words.

Here's more word-marking.

Oh.

In 20 years, people are going to be like,

this hybrid four-runner.

I'm clinging to it.

I'll never give up my hybrid four-runner.

I agree.

This is just how these people are.

And the comments are vicious.

And I just want to be like, you have no concept.

Part of the problem is that the four-runner people

they stay in their own four-runner lanes.

And so they don't realize that this happens

because it's every 10 years that a four-runner is redesigned.

They don't know that in other than the fifth gen.

I post videos about new cars all the time.

And I see this complaint all the time.

And I've actually been doing this long enough

that I've now gone into some second generations of cars.

Like I reviewed the previous out, and now I'm on the new one.

And you get that complaint.

I remember people hated the one I first reviewed.

And now they hate the new one.

And they said they love the one I first reviewed.

It's hilarious.

And so they just have to be cool with it.

They just have to get there.

Now, one of the other complaints people

like you hated the length cruiser,

but you like the four-runner, especially the powertrain.

The powertrain is much better suited to the four-runner.

For one thing, it's cheaper than the length cruiser,

and also it's smaller.

And so those two things make the four-runner's hybrid four-cylinder

a lot more tenable than the powertrain and the length cruiser,

where you're paying more and getting a more tax-struggling vehicle.

I love the four-runner.

I think it's great.

And I think I am absolutely confident in saying this

because I have no doubt that the four-runner community

will come around to this.

Yep.

Like zero doubt in my mind.

I've been there.

I've been through all of these.

The revisionist history around some cars is wild.

It's wild.

The FJ cruiser.

Not a popular automobile.

And now it's such a worth it.

Before Toyota never showed a cancel this.

I remember when it came out and everybody complained.

Why isn't it one of the actual FJ?

This is a cartoonish car.

It's so stupid.

They could have made it more practical.

And instead it has these stupid doors.

And now it's all anybody wants.

Now a low mile after a cruiser is gone.

It's like a hundred grand.

It is that is accurate.

There is so much revisionism.

Even you know the other funny thing.

When I was a kid, there were cars like the Camry,

the 90s Camry.

And every all enthusiast agreed they were the crappiest stupidest.

Like when the RAV4 first came out.

And now enthusiast is even getting into those.

Like, oh, this was like, oh gee, it was like my childhood.

And it's just like, I remember when everyone hated this crap.

Okay, I'm never giving a gift on the air again.

I love this gift so much.

Also based on this, it is a front engine at the very least.

Interesting.

I love this gift very much.

And I agree with your point fully, which is rare.

It usually does agree on this.

It is wild.

There is so much revisionism.

So much.

I remember when in 98, when the Land Cruiser went to a V8.

That was absolutely vilified in the press.

A V8, a Land Cruiser.

I can't believe they would do this ruined everything.

Because the Land Cruiser up until that point had been a 6 on it.

Like since it came out, it was a 6 on it.

That was like part of its DNA.

It was always a straight six.

In every iteration, every version, it was a straight six.

And then on to V8 again.

And then, of course, they now got forbidden.

They make one without a V8.

Oh, that one.

This is the only change.

It doesn't do.

Yeah, I know.

It doesn't do.

I think of it.

Yeah, we are a fickle bunch, that's true.

But I try to keep an open mind.

Not when it comes to the EV Ferraris.

But I try to keep an open mind, generally.

I'm excited for when the next M5 is a fourth owner, too.

Oh, I'm giving up.

I am five.

It weighs more than a few.

I will say you actually raised an interesting point,

which is if my whole life was four runner,

like you're so in M5 that you've had to come to terms with the fact

that it isn't what it once was.

If my whole life was four runner, would I still make the same argument,

like kind of dismissing their concerns?

Maybe not.

I know.

I know as a point of fact, because I have been here before many times.

They will come around.

Yeah.

I mean, another example is the M3.

Like a lot of people have come around on the sign,

and I've heard many of my friends say it's like,

yeah, it doesn't bother me more.

Yep.

You're going to see these four runners out on the trails.

You're going to see them lift, you're going to see them moderate,

you're going to see what they can do,

and people are going to be like, these are great.

And people are also going to see that this hybrid powertrain

is actually pretty good.

And it honestly and truly is.

Because I know, because I have one in my Sequoia,

and different engines.

Different engines.

Different engines, but the same.

It's the same complaint.

They went down in cylinder count and up in hybrid count.

And that's a pansy thing to do.

That's what people say.

And it's like.

It's not a replacement for this place.

It's like, so.

It's like, my car is 550 pound feet of torque.

Let's go.

Let's do a towing competition right now.

I'm also excited for you all to come around

to the new Quintosh soon.

Oh, I like it.

God.

That's the worst thing that I've ever had.

To be honest with you.

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What a trend.

Is the future of concourse.

Okay, so I submit my career G.T.

that La Jolla concourse elegance.

It's a great story.

La Jolla concourse elegance, which is a concourse event held here in San Diego.

People wear hats and such, but it's not me.

It's kind of like a middling, like it's not like a prime event on the concourse.

No, it's a concourse show circuit, let's say.

No, certainly not much smaller.

And it's smaller, and it's like less prestigious.

And proven by the fact that a couple years ago,

when Kenan debuted his, showed his Ferrari,

he was part next to a 348 that was missing its door panel.

And I was afraid that Mike, I didn't have my card judged

because I was afraid it would not meet concourse standard.

And the card next to me, this seat looked like a topical girl map of Sahara.

It was just so cracked and like, just like it was true.

This isn't just getting a snob about it.

I mean, like genuinely, it was a driver, but it was like a rough car.

I know the people on the car, they're lovely, but they know it's a beater

and they were like stomping on it.

It's not like I finished third.

It did.

Because there were like five cars in the class, and you chose not to be judged.

There's a Dino, a Testeros on that 348.

And I easily think I would have been like close with the Testeros.

Sorry for an end of it, it was close.

So anyway, I submit the Courage GT.

So last year, I submitted the Kuntash, it won an award.

Yes, we won.

Yes, I prepared it.

Very proudly, and we won the Chuck Spielman Preservation Award.

Wow.

Because it's such an original car, which it is, honestly.

We painted the wheels a couple of days before the concourse.

But other than that.

But I love the stickers, though.

So anyway, so everybody came up to me at the concourse,

I said, hey, where's the Courage GT?

Where's the Courage GT?

I said, hey, I'll bring it next year.

So I submit it.

And they call me, and they say, hey, it's 350 bucks a minute car.

They say, hey, we can't take it because it's not 25 years old.

Well, it's 22.

And also, it's not like this is Pebble Beach.

So I'm like, all right, well, fine.

I said, they said, but hey, you can submit it.

There's a parking lot show that you can submit it to for the same price.

And I said, no, I'm not going to do that.

Well, to be fair, it's the road that goes up in La Jolla.

It's like, it's a very, it's not just a parking lot somewhere, but anyway.

And I knew things were going to go bad when they called me and they were like, we heard,

we saw you submitted your GT Carrera.

These are old.

These are Ducenberg guys.

They don't let that car in.

They like Auburn Speedtails.

They're like, they're like a good boat tail speedster.

That's what they're out here.

They're looking for a duck bear cat.

They're looking for chrome.

Dude, if I had a studs bear cat, I'd be front and center.

They'd have made a studs bear cat classroom.

So anyway, they said, no, you can't submit it.

I said, well, you know, I think the audience might like it.

And they said, still said no.

I said, all right, well, that's fine.

And I got a refund.

And I'm not going to show it because I can't.

But one of the things I thought about about this, this whole experience, which I found, I don't really care.

I'm going to go anyway, just not with the car.

I just found it kind of amusing.

But one of the things I thought about about this thing was the concourse events and their future.

Concourse events primarily focus on chrome, big 30s, 40s cars, some 50s, 60s stuff.

But in at the moderate car week where you have probably the most prestigious concourse event

in the world, the Pepple Beach Concorde Alliance, tickets are on sale.

And they're just generally available, like we could go online right now and buy it for $4.95.

Meanwhile, the quail event that week, which is all about modern supercars and hypercars

and pegani's and career duties and super, Mark IV Supras.

I wish.

No, like real stuff.

They would look at a Mark IV Supra and say, excuse me, like real stuff, like all the hottest, like craziest,

pegani utopias and Bugatti's and all that stuff.

And stuff debuting too.

Yes.

That event sold out in four seconds and tickets cost $1,800.

And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, is this indicative of where the hobby is going?

Like are the young people, are the concourse events going to start to sunset?

And when they say no to a Carrera GT, is that like, but you see how quail succeeds with those types of cars?

Is this the future of the concourse?

Like are we, is this, is our generation finally having its moment?

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Hmm, hesitant about it.

I think that what concours need to do to stay relevant is to have younger classes,

which Amelia Island had made a point of that.

They did.

In fact, they have a best of show, pre-war, breast of show, post-war.

So there are two cards.

The younger classes.

Now, grand as a 100-year-old.

Right.

Now, granted the younger class, the one last day, I think it was a 250LM.

But you are right.

Still.

Because I've been to that, Amelia, and they have several classes.

At 40s are being shown.

Yes.

I awarded a award to a 1995 Cadillac.

Right.

That ended up looking an awful lot like in a spot.

All right.

But no, you're exactly right.

At Amelia, they realized.

Because like, hey, we're going to start losing these young people.

Let's add newer classes.

But so, but that's kind of my point though, right?

If Pebble Beach doesn't make that switch, now Pebble Beach is the most prestigious level.

They probably don't need to do that any time soon.

But smaller concours events.

You're seeing it though.

I mean, they had McLaren F1s on the wall.

That's true.

Last year.

So, like, you're definitely seeing that.

I do, yeah.

I definitely worry about some of the longevity of these events.

But also, a lot of events, concours-ish things have popped up recently.

Like, the Audraine is doing an amazing job.

And they do, they invited me to judge their young type of classroom.

They're reigned and they had to cancel it.

But the fact that they had that kind of proof though of what I'm saying.

Exactly.

So I think that all concours will go that way.

What I think people don't realize about concours events is that they kind of cut off in like the 60s

and never really expanded beyond that.

Like, Pebble Beach, back when it was back in the day, used to be for brand new vehicles.

And people would bring, re-body, like, brand not re-body.

But cars in that, in period that had, body had been created by some showmen.

And it would show up there.

And it was like this, nobody had seen it before.

It was incredible.

Like in the 40s.

And cars like that would win best in show.

And then they hit a wall and kind of stopped accepting cars past a certain year.

Not accepting, but winning.

I mean, every car that wins is 30s, 40s, 50s.

Just like California smog exemptions.

Oh, man.

50-year-old cars are not smog exempt.

50-year-old cars.

Anyway.

And I have a suspicion that in, if the concours really want to stay real,

they're going to have to do classes of younger vehicles and maybe start thinking about moving up to a more modern era.

Yeah.

I don't disagree.

How does the quail justify its 4X price roll?

Because it sells out.

They should charge 5X.

They should charge 10X.

It sells out.

It sells out in a day.

Like the way they justify it is they literally have no more space.

And every year they've bumped the ticket price by like 50% and they still sell out in a day.

I think two years ago it was 800, last year it was 1200 this year.

It's 1600.

1600.

And that tells you where the people want to go and what the people want to see in my opinion.

And I think it was sold out.

Yeah, about 230 in the afternoon.

Gone.

All the tickets, including for your standby and stuff.

So yeah.

Wow.

Then people are selling them on stuff up like three grand.

Meanwhile, again, you could right now.

You could go on to the Pebble Beach Concours website and just buy tickets.

Walk up by a ticket 500 bucks general admission.

It's a different world.

Different world.

It certainly is.

But I look forward to going into concourse events and seeing how they evolve in the future.

I love seeing all the I.

I am the person who still walks through the people pre-war cars and those like freaks out.

You don't have one like 16.

And would you?

I'd love to have a pre-war car.

You'd love to have a chrome thing.

Yeah, do you?

With a hyuga horn?

Yeah.

I mean, personally, I'm a Packard guy.

I'm like.

Oh, God.

Okay.

I love a Packard.

Those were our talk cars segments.

We're going to move on to the market report.

I have nothing to say in the market report, but Kennen has a lot.

Kennen, let's talk X3.

Okay.

Yes, let's start.

So recently I was just kind of scrolling through cars and vids.

I've been thinking about getting an ICB myself.

I noticed that X3Ms are common down in value.

We sold this one for 44,500.

Now, this one had 36,000 miles on it.

It's a 2020 model.

And I think this has a window sticker.

Or a mononial label that said that it costs 857 new.

It's an 86,000 on a car.

It also doesn't have 550 horsepower.

It's a 3.

Yeah, 500 horsepower.

It makes 3M competition.

It's like.

That's a lot of.

Now, I realize they're going to continue to go down in value.

But that's a lot of car.

And this is a very good looking.

And it's modern.

Like, this car is not going to have reliability issues for at least two to three years.

At least two to three months.

No, but really though.

No, yeah.

True.

That's a massive situation.

I agree.

85 sticker four years ago.

The personally drove 36,000 miles.

This has real modern day performance.

Yeah, absolutely.

The X3M is phenomenal car to drive.

So it's like, these are seriously common.

Yeah.

We sold another one for 38K with very similar mileage.

That one there.

Yeah.

Look at this.

The prices are up.

What's the load on it?

40.

43,400.

And not compact.

So a little bit less powerful.

I think this car is cool.

Also, a lot of enthusiasts watching him be like, ah, that's UVs.

It's cool.

I think this drives pretty well.

You ever drive one?

I mean, I have a suspicion that this would...

You complain about SUVs all you want, but I have a suspicion that this would run circles

on a racetrack around a lot of performance cars from not that long ago.

Yes, you're M5.

But a lot of performance cars from not that long ago.

Just generally.

Yeah.

No, I don't disagree.

So this deals.

It's fat.

It handles well.

It's fun to drive.

Yeah.

I'm always looking...

I get...

I've mentioned before, I stomach the cost of maintenance.

But I cannot stomach depreciation, which is only expense you feel when you sell the thing.

And the fact that these are half price already, you know, five years later, is like...

The depreciation is our friend.

Yes, exactly.

You and I...

Wait, you wait two more years, and you get into one of these at 32, 33.

28.

I mean, that's...

That's really, really an appealing car.

I already think they're appealing cars.

When I see them on the road, I really take notice of them.

I think they're cool.

It's a lot of power.

They're cool.

They're fun.

But that's like...

I once saw this real on Instagram.

It was like, I was talking about philanthropically.

I think they said buying a new car is just philanthropically because I suffer the depreciation

so that an enthusiast can enjoy it after a meal.

Yeah, it's an exercise.

I'm here for it.

I'll take it for that.

I'm so impressed by this.

I didn't really realize that these were already into the 30s.

It is an enormous amount of performance.

By the way, it feels true for all of these.

Yes.

GLC 63 is right this number.

I've been GLC 63.

We don't sell that many of them.

But neither did Mercedes.

I never see GLC 63s.

They're cool, but I never...

40s back in June.

Wow.

GLE 43s are not that far off, to be honest.

Yeah, but Ken and I like the little car.

We...

Yeah, we know.

We hit GLC 63.

Let's see what those are going for.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's GGL.

Oh, GLC 63s are free.

225.

18.

These are older than them.

GLS 63, which is 2060 in an up of that same body style.

For 20 something?

No way.

At a space between 63.

We are an M1-255.

This one sold 34.

That's the new body.

Well, the new...

The facelift of that.

Yeah, the new one came out of it.

Right.

That's a lot of car.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

That's a lot of car.

It is amazing.

I feel like in this era, there were a lot of improvements fast car play and technology

really improved quick.

I don't feel like there have been that many improvements since then.

It's a lot of...

The market's a lot more focused on EVs.

So these cars, to me, still feel very modern.

And they are depreciating it to a level that's astonishing.

When the predecessors of these were in their 30s, they felt like older cars.

It is.

You couldn't get X5M's original X5M's always felt older.

This feels like a pretty modern car.

That X3M feels like a new car.

If I parked that in front of my house, my man was be like,

Whoa, you got a brand new car.

Yeah.

I told yesterday, that three looked like that.

Yeah, and there's not even an M on the new one.

And to your point, also in terms of looks,

styling has become so much more incremental amongst manufacturers.

Yeah.

It's like a great example.

New Range Rover looks like a smoother version.

Frankly, the GLS is too.

Frankly, the X3 is...

I think a lot of these cars, you really have to know to know the new GLC.

It's wild.

That's such a great point.

I know.

It's so subtle that you can get away with lying to people.

I would lie to them.

But if you pull up to the valley, and they don't know, I mean...

Also, the X3M is a good call.

Yeah.

The X3M is a very compelling car.

You don't even need the comp.

No.

You don't put it in the car.

It's a great car.

That's got to be doing zero to 16 and four seconds.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's an encouraging tea?

Probably.

No.

It's close.

And it's 36 and it's an SUV that you can put a dog in.

Isn't encouraging tea 3.7?

Yeah.

I mean, it might be...

Hey, 3.7, I don't know.

A wise man once told me, all performance cars are the same fast.

All performance cars are the same fast.

You've heard it here first.

3.7 with the composition.

On the road, they all feel...

I promise you that would be the encouraging tea.

Ain't nobody doing a hard one, too, in a career or a launch.

I get beaten off the line by Prius.

Is it every stoplight?

Except for that crazy guy in Monaco that drives the black one around and just slides it everywhere.

No, I mean, I could slide it, but starting off is hard.

For RSA, please don't.

Okay, that's a great one.

Can we take one more?

Yeah, you have the FDRX7.

We can just hold one today.

This car, I was very excited about, because this is...

Your search decisions are incredible today.

Try searching some time.

This car, very exciting.

So, FDRX7, you and I agree with one of the most beautiful Japanese cars all the time.

I think it's the most beautiful Japanese car I ever made.

At the 2000 GTX.

But we'll move on.

No.

This car, but this is a unicorn.

It's manual transmission, 417 miles, and it's mostly stocking.

When I say mostly stock, it's like a head unit, some brake pads, and they're...

Not even a head unit.

Right.

Was this in Canada?

This was Washington State.

I wish it had been in Canada.

I would have swooped in.

But it sold for $46,000, which I believe is the most expensive non-modified one we've sold, correct?

It's got to be up there.

We've sold another one for that same price point.

But the last four that we've sold have all had $140.

FDRX7s are so cool.

So, one of the coolest cars that exist.

And unlike the Supra, which doesn't look as good and doesn't drive as well,

the RX7 has never gone away up in value because everybody's scared of the rotary.

And you know what?

With good reason.

With rightfully so.

Yeah, we have such a good reason.

Dude, if this, if this had a 2J from the factory in it, this would be a $200,000 car.

If this had an RB26, a Mazda's version of that.

Right?

An R34 Skyline is a 200 car.

An NSX is a 200 car, not really.

A Mark IV Supra is a 150 car.

These are 47 grand, because they have a rotary instead of like a legendary 6 cylinder.

Right.

I mentioned this on the live now that shows that we do on the Cars and Bits channel.

And my parents knew in a robot can say we're like, new in a robot constructor,

who had one brand new at the time.

And even then, every time she pull up some of her, she'd open the hood,

let the heat out of the engine.

Yeah, I mean, there's like, in order to run a rotary, apparently,

there's like stuff you got to do.

Oh, there's a lot of stuff you got to do.

And they're wanting to find a rotary spec.

Really handy yourself.

But they are, they're, the, the rotaries are special engines.

It's a great concept.

That's just never worked.

That's the other thing that nobody talks about.

It actually drives better.

Like, the 2J is a smooth power train.

And the RB can be modified like crazy.

There is nothing like the smoothness of a rotary.

It is so nice.

You know, I was sitting next to Jay Leno when he drove his first rotary Mazda RX-7.

Oh, exactly.

Which was then sold on Cars and B.

FC RX-7.

I don't remember anything about that X.

No, it's an FB.

I don't remember anything about that experience, so he just wanted to drop that.

No, these are incredible cars.

Why don't I have an FD?

Because I'm afraid of maintenance.

It's the same as everybody else.

I don't, I don't want the headache.

Yeah.

Can I?

Look at that car.

One other Japanese car.

Look at that car.

Look at the AW11.

Do you know those don't weigh anything, by the way?

Well, that's, that's part of the benefit of the rotary engines.

It's compact.

It's lightweight.

There's just less going on.

These are like meadas.

They're like a, like a, like a more serious meada.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm serious.

Like, in terms of what they weigh and how athletic they are, they, they, they came out at the same time as the super

the 3,300, 300 CX, which were all pigs.

They were heavy.

And so people lumped this car in there, but that is not true.

So the FD is a light little car.

You want to talk to AW11?

You want to talk to AW11 for some reason.

I do think that the, the super of weighed 600 pounds more than that.

600 pounds in the 90s, too.

That's, you couldn't have filled the RX7 with enough people to counteract that way.

No.

No, not really.

I mean, assuming you got a 200 pound person driving the super,

then there's back seats.

Then this, let's not even talk about the sport roof.

No.

Okay.

What do you want to talk about AW11?

We sold them for 23 grand.

23 for a blown low mileage.

Well, it's, I can't decide if that feels really expensive for a 1989 small Toyota coupe is in Mississippi.

I'll bet.

Yeah.

Mississippi.

It's not a lot or is that a little, because it's special.

It's a mid-engine Toyota.

They're like, I'm sure handles incredibly well.

That's like a 23 grand for 1989 small two-door coupe.

I drove an SW20 turbo.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Absolutely.

I've never driven an AW11 blown AW11.

If this car were local, I wouldn't absolutely review that.

It's so cool.

I drove an SW20 turbo and it, like, I'm thinking to myself, I'm driving around thinking to myself, why do I have all these expensive cars?

This thing is just as good.

We sold the one that you reviewed.

We sold the one I reviewed for real money.

It was a red stock turbo.

It was probably that one.

It was really, yeah.

It was really nice.

It was about 135.

I seemed like a pretty good number, because it was just so good to try.

Doesn't that and 25 grand for a nice AW11 feel like a lot of it?

I don't know.

I mean, someone had been turning to kick cars.

It feels like a lot when you think that an NA, you can still get an NA for seven.

But it feels cheap when you think that a 348 is 100 grand.

And this is definitely probably better.

That's a great point.

I've always liked these cars.

Always wanted to drive an SW20.

Dude, it is so good.

I was astonished.

It just felt so perfectly, like, just responsive and light and light.

And the most wonderful way, great manual box, everything about it was good.

Any thought you could beat on it?

Because it was a Toyota.

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Felipo.

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He was in those comments being like, can't believe Doug got paid by Toyota.

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We ask us questions.

You go to the pot thing.

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Okay.

First question.

From J. Rad 1600.

Why is the final sale price of the sold after auctions always kept a secret not disclosed?

Have you discussed displaying those prices?

Yes.

Can we do this?

Yeah.

We're going to.

Okay.

Next question.

From Hugh Brown.

Question for the adult on the pod.

Oh, okay.

What happened to the second E39M5 you bought for the challenge?

Any chance you could race it against Kenan in his car to see who the E39M5 king is?

Maybe he thinks you're the adult.

Well, as a adult, I don't race.

But I.

Yes, we're going to be selling.

The button is an adulty races.

Yeah.

We're not so condoned street racing here, but.

Three racing.

Let's take it to the top.

We're not so condoned street racing here, but.

Three racing.

Let's take it to the track.

You want to ship those cars to chuck wall again?

Ship them.

I'll drive it out there.

I'll beat you.

Okay.

What's happened in the car?

We still have the other E39M5.

I'm looking at it currently over there.

But yeah, so it's going to be on cars and bids very soon in addition to the client.

Let me tell you what happened.

Can I explain what happened?

Sure.

We had three cars for the challenges.

Well, yes.

Three of our cars and one of Nick's.

And then Nick had a car too, which wasn't part of it.

We did a giveaway.

A guy won a car.

Yeah.

And we let him choose one of the three.

First time it's ever been done in the history of challenges.

That's what Trump had said.

It's probably been done a bunch.

He chose the Corvette.

Correct.

The reason that they did a good job.

The M5 and the client have not been on sold on the site yet is because we had to have this whole process play out.

The giveaway.

There was a certain amount of time.

And then the guy had to pick up the car, which he did.

His name was Michael.

He lives in Colorado Springs.

He drove the car home.

He made it home.

And.

And then he was sold.

He got 28 miles per gallon on the car.

28 miles per gallon.

From sea level to 7,000 feet.

That's the Corvette.

That's what Felipe honed in on there.

Yes.

That is the one detail.

The information I received.

The point is now that Michael has chosen his car and picked it up.

We're going to sell the other two.

And let me tell you something.

We're going to make money.

We're going to make bank.

We bought the M5 for 19.5.

I stood on it a couple of times.

I think we're going to sell for half of that statement is correct.

You did stand on a car.

He didn't stand on it.

But he did scratch it.

I'm going to say that first.

I'm going to show you his car.

I scratched it.

You ran over a TV with it.

Did you run over a TV with the car?

Did you scratch the fender?

Yeah.

I did.

Did you run over a TV with it?

I gently barely backed over it.

The television that was basically on the ground.

I'm driving the car.

There was TV.

He said, I'm going to run over it.

Well, it was so run it up.

I didn't want to damage the rest of the car.

I didn't realize I'd have to avoid a TV on a beach.

Welcome to San Diego.

Ridiculous.

I don't want to hear the specifics.

All I remember is you ran over a TV with the car.

Next question.

This is a legitimate question.

And I want to pose it to you first.

Not him.

You don't answer until he's answered.

Great.

From Big Ultimate hitter six,

what would it take for you to buy an EV sports car?

Gun to my head.

Pull the trigger.

EV sports cars don't have any.

I have no real interest in them.

I have sports cars experiential and EV, although they're fast.

It doesn't provide.

I would like an engine as a part of my experience in sports car.

I can see having an EV as a daily,

where it's just an object like my phone.

It's a utility.

But for a sports car, it needs to be experiential.

And to me, speed is not enough.

Acceleration is not enough.

I want an engine.

I want sound.

I want vibration and emotion.

I have a different answer here because I think frequently.

Of course I do.

I think frequently about what situation I would buy an EV.

My wife and I both don't really have a commute.

Doesn't really make them much sense.

And we take a lot of long road trips, which an EV is not well-seated for.

If there were a cool EV sports car,

I don't need my daily driver to have four seats.

Now, all my daily drivers do have four seats,

but I don't need that.

And if I could combine EV, I don't need gas.

I can charge a home or a work or whatever.

And I had a commute.

And it's a fun sports car EV.

I would do it.

But what would the benefit of having a sports car on that commute

be instead of a Model 3, right?

If depending on what my commute is, it would be fun.

But Model 3 would be pretty doggy.

But you're my commute.

I would love you to just like on some curve.

Sure. And we live in San Diego.

There's only one convertible EV.

And it's the original Tesla Roadster.

And if there were another convertible EV,

that's appealing in Southern California.

That's a very common.

First off, there was an I8 Roadster.

Not electric.

Second, there was a Jeep Wrangler 4 by E.

Again, all hybrid, not electric.

Third, I believe I drove an MG Cyberster right here in the office.

That's not so in the US.

And what about the Hummer?

You can get my point though.

If you can get one.

And it's enjoyable in Southern California.

And it's a little bit more fun.

But do you want for it to argue your point here?

Do you want a stiff riding sports car as a daily?

I don't want to imagine the situation which he couldn't get a Model 3

for 14 on the site.

Right.

But pays up to buy an EV sports car.

No, obviously I would never want any of these things.

But I'm not buying a car period.

It didn't two weeks ago.

But I'm not buying a car again.

Okay, so in this hypothetical where you can get an EV sports car

for the same price as a regular car.

Yeah.

Where you have a commute that takes you on a curvy roads.

Or just where I want the top down.

It's going to have to be a fun sports car.

Yeah.

So the answer for you is you wouldn't either.

And my answer is the same as Kennens.

So that's kind of that.

Now we know why there's no EV sports cars.

It's different.

I'm coming boxer.

I drove that.

Let me tell you something.

I drove that MG Cyberster.

Yeah.

And it was a great car.

And I mean that sincerely.

And it's not just because the Chinese government.

Yeah.

It has implanted something in my brain that is forcing me to say this

or else it will explode.

I'll explain it.

Not just because or not because.

It's not just.

Okay.

No, the Cyberster was cool.

It really was.

But I was sitting there thinking why would someone.

Yeah.

Buy this.

Like you.

It's a sports cars are experiential.

Why does somebody buy a Toyota Camry Salara?

Because they want to slightly sport a year looking version

of a camera.

Okay.

I would posit two responses to that.

Number one.

The MG Cyberster is a camera store and get for seven grand.

The MG Cyberster is 86,000.

When the camera store is new.

Number two.

It was more expensive than a camera.

People buy camera salara for one reason and one reason alone.

To flex.

Right.

Okay.

I'll accept that answer.

Next question.

Next question from CJ Kital.

Hello.

Doug Cannon in Filippo.

Hello.

As we enter.

Hello.

For sure my name is spelled wrong.

But hello.

So compared of time with cars from the two thousands beginning

to be eligible for import to the U. S.

What do you anticipate will have their values increase or decrease

with increased demand in the U. S.

Three questions.

Z8 is the first one.

Come up to mine.

I think this I made quite a few.

So I suspect like values have been down on the

governor.

I think they're continue to go down.

I think that.

That's a good point.

That's a good one.

I think Sanders will continue to go up

as they become, I mean allegedly.

Cara is a new market and I agree for 10 million dollars.

But I've got those continue to go a very special carined.

Yep.

Good one.

What's another one?

NSXR with the fixed headlights.

I think the same way.

That's a special car.

And they came out in the two, which means they're two years away from being legal.

And the same thing is going to happen on R34 with those.

On the topic of R34, I actually think values might go down.

We have a bunch of them that are coming into the US now, and so supply has gone up on

them.

And I wonder if value stay as high as they happen.

They're all pre-perch, like every R34 basically at this point, it is pre-perch.

Yeah, the values went up because there was so much interest.

I actually think the question I think is actually related specifically to the R34, which

is which cars start to see their prices increase as they get close to that 25 curve.

You know another one is the RS4 Avant, B7 RS4 Avant, which is that car and E61 M5.

E61 M5.

Both of those cars are not particularly valuable right now.

I think E46 and E3 CSL might be one of those on the list.

Yeah, we'll do the manual conversion to them as they should.

That's a good one.

Yeah, they're quite a few.

There are cars though that are these specially euro import, like my G-Wagon cab values are

going to go down.

Defender values went down because the 25 thing just opened up a much wider market.

Now G-Camps are still valuable in Europe, but you don't have to federalize it anymore.

My car is now 25, like I federalized it.

I got six great years with it before it was legal because we legalized it, but now I could

just buy one.

And the results are perplexing and difficult to accept.

No, I don't really care.

Let me tell you this.

I want to make a point here.

In four years, four short years, I am going to import a thumbs down.

I'm going to import a C55 AMG wagon.

Okay.

I'm here for that.

I was my favorite, it was my favorite AMG C class.

That's a sketchy thing to say.

You're slicing that pretty fit here.

Dude, I loved all AMG C classes.

Oh, do you?

Okay.

I set the new C40.

I haven't liked any.

Which I like, but they're not.

It's not the same.

You haven't liked any AMG C class, the C36 and the C43, the originals, the C55, that

body was so little.

I don't like it.

I've also never liked a C class estate.

The C63, the original C63, you don't like that wagon.

I've never been a C class fan.

Flee position.

I've probably been true consistently across my entire life.

Must be nice to just be an E class guy.

Yep.

It is.

You know, I sometimes plan for the future, which we might need some austerity, you know what

I mean?

Next question.

Two more.

Next question.

I would then import a C180 estate, not a C55, but ton.

You know what he would import there?

You know what he would import?

You know what car he was looking forward to in a couple of years.

E46 compact.

Oh, I would be so into it if you've got one of those.

He would probably have this interest in all these cars, but he won't import them.

He's like the one guy who showed he's got the money and the interest and he won't do

it.

Yeah.

Look at those headlights.

Look at those.

What was the creature from Louisville and Stitch?

Well, like a lot of ice that sort of why did this happen?

Why didn't they just give it the headlights from the regular car?

I don't know.

This must have cost so much more to do on their cheapest car.

It makes no sense.

So weird and heinous.

Just obviously I want one.

You agree?

Oh, of course.

Yeah, I am.

That's it.

That's 54 swap that thing.

Oh, I could do imagine S 54 swap and that throwing some good suspension on there, putting

a little gills in.

You show up at Filippo's house.

He would run inside.

He'd be like, please don't hurt me.

Is there a thing?

The footer with the hood looked like it was painted alongside the roof of the car.

What is the deal with that?

That's what I've got it.

What is going on?

That's a good point.

Unfortunately, those were all sold as 316 D's.

Okay.

Two more questions.

Next one from Ethan Hickerson.

Doug, what car have you reviewed?

Have you had to do the most research on?

The answer is the cars that will get the most views.

I'm always afraid.

Yeah.

Like, I have 50.

You've got to really do some work in that video.

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Okay.

Next, I'm serious.

Next question from Inexplaw.

How about bringing back the Doug car?

I know Doug has enough vehicles in his personal fleet, but how about from time to time

buying something, we are to keep around the office for a few months for the gang to drive

and make videos.

No.

I don't, I will never buy another car as long as I live.

Well, I think the person might be asking about something like the cayenne.

Well, let's talk about that.

Let's talk about that.

So I'm not personally going to do it.

Right.

Would the company be interested in doing it?

I think if you make a really good decision.

I'm pretty sure shaking his head, yes.

Let's say I want a multiply, like I want a multiply.

I also want a multiply.

We want multiply.

Right.

I'm not doing it.

I've imported too many cars.

It's too many headaches to do it.

I just tariffs now.

I don't know how it's going to be tariffed.

I like to think that you and I combined have some weight.

Now you have some weight and I have a little bit.

So combine.

So let's do this.

But I want to be very clear here.

It's the same with the cayenne.

I'm not associated with this.

I'm not paying for this.

I'm not in any way shape or form part of this financially and head achly.

It's like a fine achly.

It's really the headache.

So remember when the A-class was dumping fuel?

Yes.

Do.

I brought the A-class here thinking that it was going to be the coolest little thing.

We brought it here.

We got it outside.

It came off the truck and it was just dumping fuel on the ground.

And I said to Felipe, I gave him the keys and I said, handle this.

And I think head and dip.

That's great.

Yeah.

It took him a few seconds.

It was fine.

But yes.

Now of course we'll back up to eight seconds ago when you said that you're going to

import a C55.

In five years.

And I'm going to hold firm to that.

So so fine.

I'm not buying anymore cars.

In five years, I'll grant myself a $23,000 exception.

But you're not going to do that anyway.

Oh, I absolutely am going to do that.

You don't want to deal with the headache.

Rami, you'll take care of it all for me.

In five years, there'll be a different dog.

In five years, I'll be ready.

He goes through this.

No, no, I'm done.

I've been clear about this.

I haven't bought a car in like two, almost two years now.

Yeah.

The Cuntouch the last car I bought.

OK, daily drivers don't count.

I don't understand.

It's a car.

I'm not buying a car.

You purchased eight 4s for transportation.

I'm going to take a car.

I'm going to take a title too.

I'm paying on my buy anymore cars.

But when the daily drivers age out, I will replace them.

I'm not going to be driving around on a hop mobile

because I said I wouldn't buy anymore cars.

Like the daily driver cars are boring.

They will be replaced.

Nobody cares with those.

When I do videos with them, literally no one watches.

Nobody cares.

However, I haven't bought a fun car.

And I'm not going to, OK?

But if the office wants to buy a car.

This is a way ahead of V8 would have been a fun car.

No, it wouldn't.

If the office wants to buy a car, yeah, I'm interested.

I hear you do, you do something with the money for the company sometimes.

You have some role with the finances because I get emails from you about like the how the

finances are going. Right. So you must have some sway. Right. Couldn't you misplace 20 grand

and we get a multiple. I don't even think it would be 20.

It would be a lot of all in and I've been still less than 20. If you have multiple

30 titles in the US, let me know. Carved maybe. Okay, last question and I believe this one is

just for me in Filippo. From Grunkle, Latin, our question for Doug Oral, but it's going to be for us.

Which eagle model was your favorite and which was the most unusual? Okay, this is a tough one.

The most unusual, the most unusual was undoubtedly the eagle premiere. Pull it up, please. Yeah.

I've been so shocked by that. I'm sure we've never sold one. No, no. Yeah, that's fine.

That's fine. It'll come on. Eagle premiere car. There you go. Click on that. So the eagle premiere

was a rebadged. Do you know? Yeah. Okay, the eagle premiere was also sold as the Dodge Monaco.

That was the common one that we also got in the States and it was sold as the Renault premiere.

I don't know where, but in other markets, this was inexplicably also sold as a Renault.

Now, there it is with a Renault badge on it. AMC and Renault. What's it going deep? But AMC and Renault

got tied up together and they made cars in Wisconsin together and then AMC became jeep and eagle

and so eagle kept the Renault tie and so there were some eagles that were Renault. This is deep stuff.

This is 35 years ago Detroit stuff. What am I thinking of? Nothing. You're thinking of nothing.

Yeah, there you go. Those were the three. The Dodge Monaco. There's the eagle that was the eagle

summit sedan. That I don't even know what it is and there's the eagle premiere. Okay, the best

eagle, though, was the Vision TSI. You know, it was the town. Everybody knows it's the DSI. I don't agree with

the eagle lineup turned out. Cog comes back on something else. Yeah, the Vision TSI is good. Vision TSI

was the first one of the first cars with a tip-tronic. They called it Autostick. This is true and you

could manually shift. Porsche had come out with it like the prior year and then eagle came out with it.

So it was it was the famous big two. Really? Porsche and eagle.

Like cutting edge technology. Very sharp talents on that eagle. It didn't work either. They Autostick

was designed very differently than tip-tronic. It didn't really shift gears. It kind of told

the transmission the max that you wanted to go to and all the transmission actually turned out to

be the weak point in the whole car. And there are none of these left anywhere, even in Detroit.

I was going to say the AMC eagle, which was then they called the eagle wagon briefly, is the best.

But that wasn't an eagle. It was then called the refer to the eagle wagon. Maybe for an afternoon.

Yeah, the best actual the actual answer to this question, by the way, the eagle talent TSI is the best

eagle. It was the DSM car. They sold two generations of it and it is just as good as the eclipse.

And I always felt honestly, I always felt it looked better because they because they did some of them

with white wheels with white with white wheels. Yeah. And anytime you can do white wheels.

I can't. I don't know. There's one. What's it down with? I think one GDSM. There's nothing like a one GDSM.

Dude, you get a one GDSM of voltmeter and a straight stretch of road and you got yourself a weekend.

You know what I'm saying? No, absolutely. I have no clue what I mean about all sorts of electrical

tons. All right, voltmeter. And you would do the straight stretch of road because like you'd get

like a little bit down. Oh, that's that's right. Or could I get right anyway, fix it on a straight

stretch to avoid. Well, you would that's where you would do your testing. Right. Okay. All right,

that's the end of that. This was this was the finest pod we've ever done. I believe that's

fine. We've done for sure. Filippo. Any party cards? Sure. Check out carsandbeds.com.

Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.

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