Andrew Beckman from the Studebaker National Museum shares insights into the museum's rich history and its impressive collection, including horse-drawn vehicles and iconic Studebaker cars like the Lark and Hawk. The discussion highlights the evolution of Studebaker from a leading manufacturer of horse-drawn carriages to a significant player in the automotive industry. Additionally, a review of the 2023 Lincoln Navigator offers impressions on its luxurious features and performance, contrasting it with competitors like the Cadillac Escalade.
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Join us for a journey into the heart of automotive history guided by the knowledgeable Andrew Beckman, joining us from the Studebaker National Museum, located in Indiana. We look at the Studebaker cars and their pivotal role in the transformation from horse and buggy manufacturing to motor car production. Andrew takes us through the museum's collection of about 120 wheeled vehicles, tracing the trajectory of the Studebaker Corporation from its horse-drawn era to the very last Studebaker ever made. We even get a look at some of the museum's crown jewels, including a 1924 Studebaker Big Six and a 1938 Commander convertible sedan. We also spotlight the remarkable work of industrial designer Brooks Stevens and his contribution to Studebaker in the early 60s.
In the New Car Showroom, we get a review of the 2023 Lincoln Navigator Black Label. We take a look at its exterior features, interior highlights, engine, gas mileage, and MSRP price.
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Thanks so much for joining us today, and joining us right now from the Studebaker National Museum is Andrew Beckman.
Andrew, good morning to you, good morning.
How are you guys doing?
Well, we're doing great.
Where are you?
Where is the Studebaker National Museum?
We are in South Bend, indiana, actually enjoying a nice little summer rainstorm right now, so the perfect day to come down and check things out indoors.
Well, let me tell you something.
We've had.
105 degree heat, and rain sounds real good for us right now.
We haven't had any in over a month, but make us jealous already.
Tell us about the Andrew Beckman Studebaker National Museum.
I guess you don't actually own it or have the naming rights to it, but you're standing inside of it.
Yes, the Studebaker National Museum has been around since the early 20th century.
It's the Studebaker Collection started as a corporate collection under the auspices of the Studebaker Brothers Manufacturing Company, which later became the Studebaker Corporation, and today we encompass about 120 wheeled vehicles from the horse drawn era up until the very last Studebaker made, and we're also hosting a couple feature exhibitions right now as well.
Very nice.
So was the Studebaker.
All the Studebakers made in South Bend, indiana.
Mostly their early automobiles were made in Detroit, and they also had plants in California and Canada.
The company headquarters is always centered in South Bend.
Gotcha, and as, where is South Bend in relationship to Indianapolis?
Do north of Indianapolis about 150 miles or about 90 miles east of Chicago, just tucked right up close to the Michigan Indiana state line.
Gotcha, and do you live there?
I do.
Yes, do you like living there?
Love it.
And is it a place that I want to visit there to the National Studebaker Museum.
Well, I can tell you, it's not 105 degrees right now.
And we ain't coming.
Well, we ain't coming then.
So there now I'm just teasing I want to know about what's in the museum.
You know I'm a big car freak and I love car museums and I didn't even know a Studebaker museum existed.
But I see the huge red letters there that say Lark and I remember the Studebaker Lark, probably the most popular car of the Studebaker line back in my day.
Kind of.
The last one they built was a Lark, wasn't it?
Yeah, the Lark, the Larkbody cars were the last Studebakers made and, yeah, tremendously popular to see a lot of club members with those today.
And I tell them the story before we went on the air that my good friend Puss Wilson, his brother was named Kenneth Wilson and this is way back in the 60s and Kenneth had a hawk and we I always made fun of it.
Of course I understand that.
I was in my early car years, in my early teens and I just thought it was weird looking and it fit his personality, but the car was an absolute rocket.
From what I understand, yeah, you got a good hawk they were.
They could really keep up with anything, especially the golden hawks in the late 50s.
And do you have any of those hawks in your collection there?
Yes, we do.
We will show you those in just a couple minutes here.
But just to give you an idea of the early history of the company, they were the world's largest builder horse drawn vehicles.
The first part of our museum is dedicated to some of the finest student Baker horse drawn vehicles in the land Everything from a horse to basic two passenger buggies to heavy farm equipment, all the way up until presidential carriages.
You know, it's funny because I get the feeling that that's obviously the beginning of the car era and I can see that.
Oh well, I'm going to go buy the Studebaker carriage as opposed to the Chevrolet carriage.
Well yeah, there was no.
Chevrolet carriage, I think, for that matter, the Studebaker was the world's brand standard for horse drawn vehicles.
They were worldwide.
They were a global company in an era when most horse drawn vehicle manufacturing was local region.
I mean, the student Baker was around the globe.
In fact, the early 1880s, that's truly amazing and I did not know that.
And I was just kind of kidding when I said the Chevrolet carriage, but you get my point.
Yeah, no other manufacturer.
The Studebaker had a brand name that was associated with highest quality of what they were building of the carriage field, so it was an easy transition for them to figure out how to put not necessarily a motor in their carriage but put a motored vehicle on the road as well.
Right.
And when did that?
When did that transformation happen?
When they went to motorized vehicles?
It was the early 20th century.
In fact, the first automobile was in 192.
It was an electric.
Gas and power cars came in 19 four, but they were still selling horse drawn vehicles up until 1920.
So they were going through kind of like what we're going through now with ice vehicles and vehicles, yep Circle of life.
And now for a period about 18, 18 years, and they actually partnered with early other kind of upstart companies to produce the automobiles on a Studebaker name and when they were satisfied the automobile was here to stay.
That's when they really jumped in feet first to the automobile market.
Truly amazing.
How long has that museum been there?
We've been at our current location from 2005, but there has been a formal Studebaker museum since about 1916.
Oh, that's tremendous, and it all been there in South Bend, Indiana.
Well, the forethought of having that museum collecting all that and keeping it, yeah, pretty good.
Yeah, exactly Okay.
So keep walking us through the museum.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
We be remiss if we didn't talk about our presidential carriage collection.
Our camera woman, Joe, is focusing on the Abraham Lincoln Carriage.
This is the character President Lincoln took to Ford's Theater the night of his fascination and it is one of four presidential carriages we have here in the collection.
We see President Harrison's throne, President McKinley's fan, we have President Grant's land out over there in the corner if you want to see a true slice of American history, and also the Marquita Lafayette's carriage Coming up in the season South Bend.
Lafayette.
We got a city not too far from here, called Lafayette or as they say, that was named after a pirate.
Is that what it was?
That was Jean Lafitte Lafayette.
Okay, fine, never mind.
And that's, is this one of the?
Oh, that's an electric.
Okay, so you guys were.
You guys were doing it before Elon was.
That's right.
Yeah, from the early, from 192 to 1911, Studebaker was producing both passenger and commercial electric variants.
It sounds to me like you got some guests there in the museum this morning, and then back in the day, but Studebaker was considered kind of one of the top tier cars to buy, if I remember correctly.
Well they had.
They were able to capture the momentum from the horse run era and in 1910, studebaker was the number two car manufacturer in the United States until, wow, mr Ford, the Model T.
So they, they really kind of settled into the upper media.
That's interesting.
He's indoors so we're having a little trouble receiving his cell phone signal.
But anyway, got, continue on.
We got you.
Oh sorry.
Yes, we get up into the teens and twenties here.
This is really when Studebaker was building some of the finest products this 1924, like six.
You see this is actually bodied by the Shanghai horse and motor company of Shanghai, china.
This is custom coach work, see kind of the pagoda influence there, and just one of the crown jewels of our collection.
Wow, I love the color Beautiful.
Yeah, that's a stunning car.
The Rockney automobile was another product of the Studebaker corporation.
The Rockney was named for coach Newt Rockney.
Notre Dame football car time and people are.
We get.
So many Notre Dame folks are through here and there's a surprise to hear that, oh wait, there's an automobile called the Rockney and, yep, we got one right here.
Sadly, it was only produced for two years, in 1932 and 1933.
What is it?
Yes, continue.
Get up into the thirties.
We have a number of Studebaker presidents here.
Really, they're most luxurious model.
These are all certified as full classics by the Classic Car Club of America.
That's beautiful.
Nine presidents up to.
We have the President Roadster here.
You know, in all of the big, big, big car shows that they have these early cars like this, this era of cars, you just don't see very many Studebakers going across the block.
Yeah, it was not an area.
The student maker was not Packard by any stretch.
I mean, this was the top of their market rather than the bulk of their market.
But yeah, there's still some of the finest cars.
You look at the basis.
The engines for these cars were used in Sudabaker's Indianapolis 500 racing team, for example.
They were really putting out a quality product and Apparently horsepower to.
They, they knew how to build a you know, a pretty powerful engine that would hold together for a 500 mile race.
Yeah, this is one of our newest acquisitions over here at 1938 commander convertible sedan.
Oh, love that.
That color is tulip cream.
I wish we built a color Color today.
Yeah, no kidding, it's beautiful.
So we're gonna move on to some of the newer stuff.
You will get to the Hawks in just a moment.
We're doing a feature exhibit on Brooks Stevens.
Brooks was an industrial designer who did a lot of work for student Baker.
This is the student Baker s s.
This was the prototype for what became the Excalibur motor car and it was originally built as a show car for student Baker, based on the 1930s Mercedes.
Look if you will, but it's all built on a student Baker chassis with student Baker components and unfortunately it never came production.
But we're delighted to have that.
Here's part of the exhibit.
Oh cool.
Where did you guys find that car?
How did that?
How did you guys come into, how did it come into your collection?
That is actually just on loan to us.
Actually, the Brooks Stevens family still maintains a collection and we were able to get that and that's cool.
That's my question are these on loan from private owners or these all belong to the museum, or from other individuals?
Or Most of the things we saw you before the SS belong to the museum?
This one is just on loan for the duration of the future exhibit.
So that's the only one, or there are many others that are on loan.
We're gonna run upstairs here and look at some more Of Good, we'll get as closer to the radio signal from his cell phone.
Hopefully that'll, work.
Yeah yeah, those darn roofs have a have a way with Preventing really good transmission all the time.
That's okay, we're fine, I love.
I love to have.
Wouldn't you love to have that?
Really nice red sign there which says lark on it.
Yeah, is that a neon sign?
It is yeah it is because, you know, we have a friend of ours that owns a Museum of his own called the hemi hideout here in the Houston area and he is big into neon and he would love to have.
Oh yeah, if he'd have found it before you, did he?
had it looked out, it wouldn't be there.
Okay, continue on.
Yeah, we're up looking at the Brooks Stevens mid-century master is the exhibit and we feature summer Brooks earliest work from the Paxton Phoenix the car right behind me to Willis Jeepster, up to a series of prototypes he made for stu de Baker back in the early 60s, including the Miller High Life sign over here.
Yeah, another one is if you have an Oscar Meyer hot dog and wash it down with the some Miller highlight, you just come into two of Brooks designs right there at one time.
Well, it's the champagne.
A bottle beer.
There you go right, yeah right now.
Now why?
Why is the Jeepster in there?
Because it's in, it is at his collection.
That was designed in portfolio.
He started Really.
The Jeepster was the first domestic automobile design he completed and then he worked on.
We just saw the Paxton Phoenix.
That was the next undertaking that he and his team were trying to market unfortunately never went into production.
This is the only one that was built beautiful car Kind of, and what year was the Paxton Phoenix?
1954, very much styled ahead of its day.
Indeed, yeah, and it's actually powered by a Porsche 356 engine.
It's a really so you know rear engine, a very, very advanced automotive design.
Wow, almost like a Buick.
Okay, so, harley Davidson, the 49 Harley Davidson Hydroglyde.
A lot of the styling work on the bike was handled by his company.
So he was quite wide ranging in the transportation field.
Yes, he was.
We see the Evan Root outboards the kind of boomerangs, yeah, the boomerang pattern you see on the Formica countertops from the 50s and early 60s.
That was also one of Brooks's designs as well, how cool is that?
So he bought into the Art Deco.
Look.
And it created it.
Oh, we get up into the 60s.
Look at, brooks created these three cars for Studebaker Proposals, for what the new Studebaker models might have looked like.
He did this station wagon proposal, he did a sedan proposal and also a two door sports model called the Scepter.
And normally those cars would have been destroyed but thankfully Brooks saved them for his own private museum.
He had that museum till the mid-1990s, just north of Milwaukee, wisconsin.
We were able to acquire the cars when that museum closed.
Look at the headlights that are on those cars that are.
You know, those headlights weren't legal in the States until into the what?
Into the 70s, where they finally moved away from the square head round headlights.
How cool is that?
Yeah, they have a special tubular headlight by Sylvania, which basically amounted to they went to the hardware store across the street and got a fluorescent light too.
How funny.
So do those, do those three prototypes?
Do they run, Do they drive?
They?
are rollers, they have drive trains and they were initially operational just so to facilitate loading and unloading, but by no means should they be considered road working.
Got you, and what's the gray one behind you?
That is the only Bendix car you'll ever see.
Bendix was a South Bend company that was doing a lot of components supply for the automobile business and Vincent Bendix decided he wanted to build an automobile and it's called.
He created the Steel Wheel Corporation.
That's a logo that Joe just showed you there and that's what the car was built as the SWC and it never went into production.
It was actually never shown in the United States because Vincent Bendix did not want his biggest customers for GM and Chrysler to think he was entering into competition with them.
It's got a little Jaguar.
Look to it.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah, a lot of people think Chrysler Airflow when they see it, but very similar.
How many miles are you guys from the Henry Ford in Detroit?
I'd say about just under 200 miles, about 180 miles.
Oh nice.
So yeah, I'm just going to say what a great road trip.
Go to Detroit, see the Henry Ford, then come and see the Steelebacker Museum.
I will tell you that I am thoroughly impressed.
What a great venue you've got there, great display and, more importantly, what you've got inside there.
Yeah, we're about 180 miles from the Ford.
There's one of my favorites, the Avanti.
You didn't let him finish.
He never does.
All right, we're about 180 miles from the Henry Ford, or about 100, some miles from Gilmore, just down 100 miles from Auburn, fort Duesenberg and also the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum.
Nice Well, andrew, and your assistant there behind the camera.
Thank you guys so much for giving us a tour today.
We're out of time, but we want to encourage all of our listeners and viewers to be sure and stop by the Steelebacker National Museum there in South Bend, indiana, go online and get all of the information.
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Thank you, we appreciate it.
And enjoy the rain while you got it, because we need it really bad.
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I went to Craig's cruise in last week.
It's packed every weekend.
It's really popular.
How far do they fill that All the way?
Oh yeah, because maps are on the bank.
That's very impressive.
Cool.
So were you handing out hero cards?
I was not, but please go ahead.
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Please go ahead with the cruise in calendar.
So let's see.
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All right, thank you, sir.
Time now for this hour's car review.
We looked at the 2023, pardon me, 2023 Lincoln Navigator.
Available trim levels are the base, the reserve and the black label.
I had the 4x4 black label.
This is a standard SUV and it's nice how many passengers?
Up to eight, including the driver.
It was updated last year and it was all new for 2018.
They've got it sorted out.
The L model of this I did not have it, but the L model gives you an extra foot of length and expands the cargo area and increases fuel capacity from 23 to 27 gallons.
Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Exterior features cohesive, straightforward, conservative styling.
Beautiful grille with sophisticated headlight design, horizontal tail lights that stretch across the entire width of the tailgate.
Navigator call-outs on the upper fenders.
What I liked the exclusive 22-inch black label wheels.
What could you use?
Improvement Check to make sure it fits in the garage Because it's big.
Interior highlights Big new infotainment screen sits atop the center.
Ac vents rather unique Floating center console allows storage under the front of it.
Women with big purses perfect for that.
Over-the-top seating adjustments with massage, beautiful leather surfaces and Alcantara headliner.
Cargo trunk room massive, especially with the L model.
What I liked the interior would work in it.
Oh yeah, and when I get to the price you'll understand what could you use?
More improvement, more time with it, wow.
In other words, let me just go ahead and have it for a month.
Engine is only a 3.5-liter
, but it is a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder with 440 horsepower and 510-pound feet of torque.
It acts like a big V8.
A 10-speed transmission in it.
It'll tow between 8,300 and 8,700 pounds, depending on 4-wheel drive, the L model.
La la la Gas mileage, 16 miles per gallon, city 22, highway for, combined to 18.
I got 17.5
, over 370.5
miles.
What I liked about it plenty of power out of the twin-turbo V6.
What could you use improvement?
Well, cadillac offers that big V, supercharged V8.
Why not do something like I'm going to put the Coyote engine in it, just say it Supercharged V8.
Well, and I think Ford doesn't put a V8 in that full-size utility, whether it's at the Ford or the Lincoln brand, it's all.
Ecoboost is the only engine available, but they have some higher horsepower versions of the EcoBoost as well.
Well, what I said is just put some more horsepower into it.
That's all you know.
V minus or V plus, or the Raptor, yeah Right, and handling the feeling of sitting on a living room couch, I don't know how else to put it.
That just pretty much said you got a good, comfortable, velvety couch.
Feet up on the dance.
Bear in your hand.
What could you use?
Improvement Can be a little floaty at times when it comes to the right and the left.
Exactly, and that's what it's about.
Base trim price $112,300.
This is tested.
$120,995.
Yeah, baby, I had it for a week.
Base model price you can get in a Lincoln navigator.
Try to find one for $77,635.
That's the stripper.
The stripper.
If you have a stripper in a Lincoln, go to this vehicle in base price and size Cadillac Escalade 79 225, jeep Grand Wagon here 87 995.
And let's just go right on up to the top with the Lexus LX 600.
Base price on that's 90 thousand eight hundred and fifteen dollars.
I could almost drive that in your mouth as you yarn, because it was.
It was a aha, mm-hmm, that's, that's a open mall, so, but can you tub it out?
You know, I would imagine a coyote in it.
Aha, absolutely.
And then it's really nice, cali, you know, it's hard to believe that they make and sell those things and I heard some really negative comments and some of the research that I was doing, people going yeah, it's old school man, nobody buys it.
No, people do buy them.
I think that Lincoln, if I were to offer a suggestion to Lincoln, bump it up, man, bump it up a little bit.
Different styling maybe you know even the same styling, but they never advertise it, they never talk about it.
It's kind of you see Cadillac Escalade being advertised all the time, and that's what this one was designed to compete with the escalator suburb nobody even thinks about it anymore come on man, get on with the, get on with the times.
Let's advertise this thing.
You can advertise it right here, as a matter of fact.
Hello, ford Motor Company, welcome to the end wheel time show sponsored by Lincoln.
That sounds right, doesn't it?
How'd you get to the studio in my Lincoln, in my Lincoln?
There you go.
Yeah, just say it, why not?
All right, I got a couple of Hemmings Motor News weekly car roundup, some of the cars that sold on Hemmings.
I got some for both of you, and start with Jeff.
All right, 1957 Cadillac Fleetwood 20.
Still my heart, $22,000, oh wow exactly, it's beautiful and it's red and it's got those big rubber bumpers up there, oh, dagmars.
Dagmars on it, mm-hmm.
How about the Cadillac from 1960, the Fleetwood model?
Yes, here we go again, 26 to 50.
Or how about the Cadillac El Dorado from 1975?
even better another boat convertible 19,688 dollars like a 15 car garage.
You need to have a Cadillac collection, jeff's Cadillac collection.
All right, moving down the list, there's another one for you, jeff.
In 1969, chevrolet Nova sold for 38,850.
It's red and it's a two door and it's bad to the bone.
93 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, conrad, sold for 11,550 dollars.
You could do that.
That's not a good one.
That really caught my attention for some reason.
83 dots and 280 ZX how much did it go for?
914, 26.
It's a lot.
It's a lot of money.
How about the 2009 Saturn Sky?
My daughter, katie, loved this car, sold for 29,400 dollars.
That's a lot of money.
I'm sorry.
Hopefully it was a red line with the turbo in 56 Lincoln Premier which is kind of like the Batmobile 20,000 and $3.
Wow, okay, and the last one, the 55 Chevy 150, sold for $63,800.
And that is this week's Hemmings Motor News weekly car sold roundup.
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