Bad Am, White Noise & The Mystery of Check Engine Lights

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Speaker 3: Hey.

Speaker 2: As I always tell you, guys, it is a great day for a radio show. Hopefully is a great day

for a car show. Where you're at and your weather's

holding out and you guys are good, We're getting around.

It's coming quick. I mean, you know, I was looking

at the calendar. I'm like, I cannot believe we're already

starting to hit the tail end of the car season already.

It seems like we just started car season, but we are now quickly coming back to it and it's going to be the dead period. I'm kind of looking forward

to the loll a little bit, to be honest with you, this year because the fact that we have our own projects going on that we're trying to push forward with and get done that having a little bit of that extra time will be great to be able to get in the garage, just being in the garage so of being out hitting different events and stuff. So looking forward

to that update for you guys because I love the fact that you guys have kind of checked in with us a little bit and been, hey, you what's going on White Noise If you guys didn't know, White Noise is back at the Mega Garage. So it has finally

you know, made its way over a couple weeks ahead and talk about it a little bit. We have it.

I told you guys that we were looking to do some tub work on it stuff. I think this last

conversation we had on it, we also decided since the interior had to be removed to do the tub work, that we were going to go ahead and spruce up the interior. So we have What do you say about

eighty percent of the interior of the car probably right this second. Yeah, yeah, and it's out, so we're going

to go ahead and do a bunch of that on it.

I really think that realistically, and I think I told you guys we really wanted to have it out at one of the October shows, but I I the realistic thought for that. I think I told you guys many

shows ago when we were talking about was we probably won't get it hit start hitting things with it until next season, which is great because it's gonna let's do a little bit more than we want to do. I

haven't even really broached some of the things that I have stuck on my head that I was winter projects, but I have a feel and that car is going to go a little deeper than what we ever intended, which is fine. At least it look good when it's done.

But I got some So here's the thing, you guys me and because I get some great input from you guys.

And by the way, before I even jump into that it is great, let me just say to have the car communities that we have from the people that I know in person to forms and stuff like that. I

told you guys, I belonged to a lot of forms.

You ever want to communicate with me, because you can't get us through the show, You'll find me in a form somewhere having a conversation. Just look for my day.

People are like, oh, listen to your show. People tagging

all the time and stuff. They're like or they're like,

is this the same? All like, yeah, it's the same.

I use my real name, my real personality in all the different forms. I'm not hiding behind anything, So I

run to people all the time. I got a bunch

of answers on the Grand the bad Am, I got it.

We ran in some problem. Yeah I almost said I

don't know where a brand am came from, but probably because I saw one on the road. But on the

bad Am, so we if you guys didn't know, I'll bring you up to speed on that. It is back

on its wheels. Finally is together. The braking system we

pretty much eighty percent got that sorted out. Finally parts

did not fail right, parts in the whole steering suspension.

Everything's all together on it. It's back together. The car

hasn't been on its wheels that you guys knowing quite some time. But it is a roller again, which is great. Yeah,

not kind of wood. But I ran into some problems

with it. Like I told you guys before, I don't

know everything about cars. I don't. I have worked on

a lot of cars, I've built some cars my time, stuff like that, but there's no way for me to catalog and remember everything and to know everything. It's just

it's physically impossible. So back in the day when we

were all hot rod and stuff, if you're from my generation, you guys, remember it was just talking to good old boy or something like that. We didn't have the Internet

to bounce things off of people and stuff like that. It

just wasn't We didn't have it. Now everybody's like, well,

you're not that old. I'm talking about when I first

started really getting into it, when I really first started getting into hot rodding and stuff like that, when I was in my teens that we didn't have those avenues.

So the only way to know anything was like to go to one of your hot rod garage like that.

There was one that I used to hang out quite a bit when I lived in big There was a guy who restored cars and I could ride my bike to them. Okay, because I had my first car. If

I told you, guys, before I had my driver's license that I was already building, which was a seventy seven cutless Supreme. So I would go to a shop and

ask them questions on things I didn't have answers to, okay, because that was the easiest approach, and he would Hey, this is what I would try to Now everybody's like, well, you know your dad was in the business stuff like that. Yeah,

but my dad lived in a different states than I did, so I didn't have that wasn't an option to bounce all the questions off him. So I had to rely

on people that were in the business or people that were willing to kind of mentor you a little bit or whatever. It was. Catalog Yeah, write catalogs. Books, everything

I had, they remember I had.

Speaker 3: I had all used to read books back in the days, y'all.

Did you know that, you guys there were these things that flipped open and they actually had to read words books.

Speaker 2: Did you know libraries had books? So, but uh, I

got a lot of the information from that. Now, the

fact that you have the Internet, it's great for the source of is I can post it out into a couple of different forums, and ask questions, and before I know it, I got one hundred and five different responses.

Now we're all five one hundred and five responses the best ones. No, there's sometimes there's more sarcasm and not

a real answer than anything. But in between that there

is somebody that's probably willing to help you. And I

ran into an issue, and I'm gonna tell you it seems simple, Okay. So we were putting the steerings h

components back on the car. Now, if you guys remember

we've had the car apart for some time, and we took pictures because that's the one I think that's just Hey, we take the part license last sema. That's right. So

it's been a year and I took pictures. So I

put the car back together by the pictures. By looking

at the pictures. I don't know how. I still don't

know how. And I kind of gotten a you know,

a back and forth while I was on the form of bile, because I was like, look, these are the pictures I took put the car back the way I found it. At some point in time. Uh, things were

put on backers on the car, but the car has never been apart. So I don't really understand how that's

the case. I maybe I don't think it made a difference.

And what it was is the IE alarm. So my

I alarm was on backers. I put my alarm back

on the way I took it off, and somebody goes, well, somebody must have replaced night arm. You gotta remember. So

my car only had forty thousand miles on it. The

IE alarm has not been off the car. The car

has never been wrecked or anything like that. Nathaniel'll tell

you and camera tell you. And we took it off.

That IEL arm has never been off that car.

Speaker 4: And I will say it hit both ways, so it could have been a toss up.

Speaker 2: It did, it wouldn't with the stock configuration. I will

tell you that it didn't make a difference on the car in stock configuration. Okay, of which way it was mounted,

it worked the same way. However, it did make a

difference with modified performance parts on it. It doesn't. It

wouldn't fit.

Speaker 3: Did you take it off and put it back on?

I just wanted to know, did you take it off and put it back on?

Speaker 2: Yeah?

Speaker 3: Yeah it did?

Speaker 2: You did.

Speaker 3: Everybody's comment take did you take it off? And back

on right I did. I took it and put it

back on.

Speaker 2: I really believe that. I I think Nathaniel and I

zipped it on and zipped it off like four different times, trying different things, and still it just didn't fit right.

And I just couldn't wrap my head around it. And

I even said, hey, let's flip it. And I flipped it,

but it didn't look like it was. I didn't finish

installing it. That's probably where I made the mistake. And

I'll be the first one to tell you that I probably made that mistake. I flipped it around, start bowling it,

but it looked like it made no difference. I was like, well,

this is that didn't make a difference, But it does.

Once it was cinched down fully tight and everything, put it back together and everything. It kicked it out enough

and everything cleared right. But when I had it the whole,

when I had a thing loose and I flipped it around and put it, it still did not look right.

And I was like, well, that didn't make a difference.

I'm not what's the purpose of doing that. So I

put it back the way I found it. Moving forward,

I reached out on the form and I finally got frustrated and I took some pictures and I'm like, this is what I'm dealing with. And instantly everybody's like, it's

one hundred and eighty degrees out and I'm like, I already tried that. But I'm good thing that I have

the type of personality on this that I'm like, I'm willing to try anything again, Like, okay, let's go ahead and take it back apart. You know what I mean, Yes, Kim,

benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 3: You know, you did have it the right way, and then somebody told you, no, it won't fit that way, so you just went back to the original way. Right,

It were correct on when you said, but here's already flipped that part, or see if it should flip. You

kind of did have two people in your ear going it would never fit that.

Speaker 2: Way, I mean your I did. But I did try

it that way, and I looked I didn't, like I said, I didn't finish. I just spun it around, slid it

onto the bolts, but I didn't tighten down. And I

looked down and I went, wait, I guess you're right.

That really didn't make all that difference, now, had I moved forward and tightened everything back down. I would have

saw that it does give you enough clearance for it all the work. So hey, thank you everybody that listens

to the show, everybody that's on those certain form sites that helped me out, that gave me the information. Like

I said, it's an oversight on the part of looking at it and knowing that it's it's I don't know, we work on these cars, maybe we get tunnel vision.

I think that's probably what it is. Like you get

so focused on the here's a problem. You had to

loosen every single thing to get Like so, the way that the steering components on a bad am bolt in is it's layered. You bolt one thing on, then something

layers over the top of that, and then another bowl goes in. So to undo everything, to try things, you

have to unloosen things you don't want to take back off again, but you don't have a choice. It's the

only way to get the part off that you do want to mess with is you have to get everything back off and out of the way. Do that four

times you are frustrated. You guys, know how it is

the best thing about working on cars at home is when you're mad and you're frustrated. You just go I'm

done and he sets tools down. He turned off the

lights and you go intol. You're not frustrated.

Speaker 3: Yeah, but does any real car person ever turn off the lights and say I'm done? I'm remember did it did?

But that wasn't. It was a lot to you got

to get flustered for a while to do then say I'm done.

Speaker 2: Would you agree? I was flustered, you were, and it wasn't.

I just couldn't wrap my head around. I'm like, I

do not understand why this isn't working. And then I went,

I know I'm not the only person that's had this price, I said, I loud. I was like, I know, not

the one person's had this problem. Someone has to have

the answer. And they were like, what are you gonna do?

I said, well, I'm gonna go to form like I go all the time for all the conversations I have, and I'm gonna take some pictures. I'm gonna post it

and see what somebody has to say.

Speaker 5: And I now, there's a lot that goes into it.

Speaker 2: There is I'll get I'll be fair about it. I

got answers that once I said we're absolutely no help.

I got answers to people that truly were trying to help, but it the information I was given to make something, well, do this and that. And then then I got people

told me you got the complete wrong parts for the car, and I'm like, no, I've matched the parts up. I

have everything old. So I took everything old and laid

everything next to it. They are the I know they're

the right parts. And everybody's like, well, the difference is

it's an automatic or amanual. You've got manual parts. You're

supposed to have automatic parts. And I'm like, huh, I

don't think so now I did look.

Speaker 4: Now I want to say, does make a difference on certain things for the pitmin arm, but the iel ofd arm is not really right.

Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I went I looked.

Speaker 5: Because I know because I went down the rabbit hole.

Also Pittman arms more than I ever wanted to.

Speaker 2: So I went, I looked. But here's the thing. When

I met when I lined everything up, the only thing that had a difference on it was the Pittman arm and it's minute. And then when I went found the

information on my own that says that's not going to be your issue. It's going to be a little bit

longer for a forged one than it is for a stock one. It's not going to cause any issues anything.

I was okay, So I got said, and I think.

Speaker 4: They do that because they don't want slippage in the suspension.

So everything wants to be nice and tight and what.

Speaker 2: Do you want parallel? Right, That's what it is. So

and I got that underst that. So, like I said,

it is nice to be able because I went to the forum guys two times in a week for both cars, for the Nova, for white Noise and for bad Am and ask some questions. I'm still having issues with white

Noise our Nova on trying to find the right setup for the rear end that I want, and nobody really having all the right answers, and I just I cannot seem to want to pull the trigger. I'm buying parts

on a whim and everybody's just like, well, you just buy it and you make it work, and maybe that works to everybody. My mind doesn't work that way. If

your mind works like that, please hey, send me an email, somebady message. Let me know. I can't see spending the

amount of money that I'm going to have to spend to do what I want. And we're not talking one

thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, guys, and that's that's still a lot of money. We're talking eight, nine thousand dollars

to try to accomplish what I'm looking for. And I

can't see just swinging eight or nine thousand dollars on a well we'll get it here. If it doesn't work,

then we got them cut it up and make it work.

That seems asked backwards to me as much as it possibly could be as an answer of things to do.

And that's the answer I keep getting from people. People

are like, well, that's just what I did. I just

bought it and then I made it work. I'm like,

how about we find out what works and we buy what works we had so we're not stuck with stuck with is trying to make it work now. I just

they're like, well, it will work out in the end.

Once again, it will work out in the end. Is

not the right answer for me, because my mind doesn't work that way, and maybe I'm looking at it from the wrong angle. And maybe maybe you know, the people

have given those answers are right, and maybe I'm wrong, and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with me wrong,

I said my personality. I'm okay with learning and people

giving me information. I was so happy that somebody was

able to give me my answers on two of the things I went looking for on the cars. It solved

my problem pretty quickly. I had of one of the

problems with the dash on the nov and I was trying to figure something out and somebody said, look at this, and that was what my issue was. So you don't

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a banner in my garage that says that from Donut and they're one hunderdercent. All right, on that note, let

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Is it annoying? I got some great stories for you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist.

Now back to your host Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So topic of today's show I

was interesting, I tell you, guys, you know, I like the fact I spent a lot of time talking with a lot of our listeners and stuff like that. And

the key on thing is what makes me start thinking about funny stories and things. And one of the conversations

we had this last week was the check check engine lights.

Now everybody's got one. If you've got a car, you

got a check engine light. But for some reason, the

check engine light means different things to different people. Some

people tell you they don't even have a check in and I've had people tell me, no, I don't have a checkingeline, but I'm like, you do, you have one every cars from I never realized how many people don't realize truly what the check in delight needs, like, what it's for, what the purpose of it. I had. The

thing that always confuses me the most, to be honest with you, is the fact that people go well the check engine light, uh came on and I had it scanned, and it's for X reason in certain reason. Here, I'm like, okay, cool,

and what what did you do about that? Why didn't

do anything? That wasn't anything to worry about.

Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well it didn't come on just for no reason.

Speaker 2: I don't think check engine lights come on as a suggestion.

I realized I just wanted to say hi. I realized

in having conversations with people that I thought being in a bad relationship with rather you're a woman and you're with a bad with a man, or a man and you're in a bad with a woman. I thought those

are the worst relationships you had, And I didn't realize that the worst relationship you could have is with your car.

It's the most toxic relationship there is is the one you have with your vehicle, because it's a guessing game, you know how, Like I'll give you an answers. A

lot of you aren't gonna like this, but it happens.

You're like, uh, you know, what's wrong? Nothing. I'm like,

that's the kind of relationship you have with your car? Well,

what's wrong with you now? And your car is like nothing,

you know what I mean, Well, obviously there is something wrong.

This is some conversations sound familiar because the check inss in slights on, there's obviously something wrong. It's like it's

like being in a conversation with your spouse, you know whatever it is for a little too long, right, right, Like if the light came on, there's obviously something going on.

So then the conversation turns to, well, it's been on for like a year and I haven't had any problem, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, now I have a problem with my car. I'm like okay, and

they're like, well, they just told me it was a bad gas cap. I don't understand how a bad gas

cap is causing me some problems. I'm like, well, well,

have you ever thought about it like this? And the

answer is always know the original reason that your check engine light came on might have been for your gas cab There may now be something else wrong with your car. Well,

how was I supposed to know that? Well, you're supposed

to fix the problem that maybe check engine light come on, so it can come on again if there's a problem.

If it's already on, it means it can't come back on when there is a real problem. Not to say

the gas cap wasn't a real problem, but let's say when a bigger I need to fix problem issue rises up.

You don't know because you've already been riding around with a check engine light. And so then I had people

with conversations like I don't have a check engine light.

I'm like, you do. They're like, no, I don't. I've

never had a check engine light. I'm like, you won't

even ever have Have you owned the car since it was new? Yeah, and you haven't. You never, you never

had a check engine light.

Speaker 4: No.

Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well let me let me just take a look. This is weird. Let me just take a look.

And then I go in the car and there's a picture of them or something like that up on the dash, that covering where the check engine light is that. And

I guess that picture must have been there the whole time in the car, since you've owned the car, And that's what makes them think that there's no trad engine.

Speaker 3: Did you ever notice the orange hue around the photo before?

You know, like now the photo is highlighting orange? You

never you never wondered why your photo was highlighting range. Well,

I mean in certain cars, Uh, there isn't it doesn't.

Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't say like check engine right.

Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I was about to say that I was looking enough to see like when it changed, because to be fair, it used to just say check engine.

Right Now there's a symbol and you gotta kind of, you know, do something what it is. You got kind

of like determine what.

Speaker 5: It is to do a Hiero graphics before.

Speaker 3: It even said check engine. Sometimes it said check soon.

Didn't mean you have to check it right there too.

Speaker 4: It's very true it is soon, so man, I mean to be fair, you can see how some people get a little confused. You know, they're like, well it says

check souone, not right now, it's just check. I didn't

do it right, you can see, I mean kind of see same thing. It's just a symbol. And everybody's like,

what's that meaning?

Speaker 2: Well, we were having that conversation, so people are like, well, I saw this little thing light up, but I didn't know what that meant. I'm like, okay, well when you

saw it light up, what did you do? They're like, change, Well,

I haven't done anything. I didn't know I was supposed

to do anything. I'm like, okay, explain this to me.

So you were driving your car and a light came on the dash that you've never seen before, as you say, and you've never questioned, and you didn't and then you didn't think about, hmm, what made that light come on?

And then people go, well, I thought that was for this, And I'm like what, Like, all right, I understand some cars have the ware brake pad, you know, sensor that comes on. There's a little light or says check pads

or whatever it may be. If in your car, I

know there's told them missed up. I'm like, okay, so

when that light came on, what did you do next?

They're like, well, I got out of the car and I looked at look everything looked okay to me. They

can't right, They're like, it didn't keep the car from driving.

I'm like, but the light came on for a reason.

And then they're like, well I heard I started to hear like I heard a little noise, like I don't know, two or three weeks ago, when I was driving, I thought I heard something that maybe that was the bright noise.

Speaker 3: I'm okay.

Speaker 2: Once again, then what what did you do? And they're like, well,

it was annoying, so I just turned the radio up.

I'm like, huh, and you guys laugh. But these are

real answers that I've gotten from people like, Okay, so the car was making a noise. Instead of addressing the noise,

you just turned the radio up a little bit louder so you didn't have to listen to the noise. And

there I ketch you out their answers, Well, yeah, the car didn't stop driving. I don't really think it was

all that important. I just realized it was something I

needed to get to at some point. I'm like, the

some point was when the light came on, the fact that there's a light telling you something needs to be fixed, or you know, you may have my type of car that has the magical engine light. You know, it comes on,

sometimes it turns on, sometimes it turns off. I know

if it turns on, I just turned the key five times and and then it just turns off usually, and then I go down the road until the next one.

Speaker 3: Hundred miles and then lights gone. You can play that game, but.

Speaker 5: There's usually something wrong with your car.

Speaker 2: I had somebody tell me that the light.

Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with my car. I just need to

replace an O two censor. Okay, that's the only thing.

Speaker 1: I mean.

Speaker 2: I had somebody say, well, the light came on and it was blinking, and I'm like, okay, now I know what that means. That most you car people out there

know what that means. I know what it means. And

they were like, well, I meant I thought when it blinked, and me it wasn't Probably wasn't that important because it didn't stay on permanently, so it was I was like, no blinking you when a light's blinking, isn't it attention to it? People's answer are like, well, I thought it

was kind of like one of those since it didn't stay on solid. I thought it was just let me know,

get to it at some point. That's why it was blinking,

not to me.

Speaker 3: Not to me because me, I've had a blinking and check engine light. I've been in a car family for

the last twenty five years. First time ever seen a

blinking check engine light. What three four years ago when

I had the blinking.

Speaker 5: Light, So, you know, to be fair there, I had.

Speaker 3: A blinking light right and then my first reaction wasn't let me get to it later my blinking. My reaction was, well, that's.

Speaker 2: Never happened before. He's like, the countdown five, there's something

really wrong with this car. Yeah.

Speaker 4: Usually when it's solid, it means there's something wrong. Whenas blinking,

it means it's out of commission.

Speaker 2: You might have some truth to that. Because we were

out of commission about one minute later.

Speaker 3: After that, I mean you got some truth.

Speaker 2: If you don't know what the blinking light means, it usually most car means that you have a misfire. That's

why it blinks. It's blinking for back miss fire.

Speaker 3: Well that's fear related.

Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Yours was misfire. Yeah, it was all

those other problems. Like I've had people go, well, we

were talking about it before we came on the air and they're like, and Nathaniel gave me a scenario. He's like, okay,

so if it has these symbols, what do you think that means? And I went, well, that's the low tire light.

He's like, yeah, I thought so too. But the way

it was explained to me is it has these two like little captions and then it has some water.

Speaker 3: Water in her neck how she explained it, and we're going to call her out. I love my mom, but

my mom comes to me and goes, it has two parentheses, and I'm like, well one, I've never heard anybody refer to a light with keyboard characters before. Okay, And then

she goes, it got water underneath the bridge. That's probably

her text. She's like, it got water.

Speaker 2: Underneath the bridge. Now I'm missified.

Speaker 3: I'm like, water underneath.

Speaker 2: When you explain that to me, I went, I drew out what he explained. I drew immediately said.

Speaker 3: I immediately said tire pressure light.

Speaker 6: You know.

Speaker 3: When she explained it, I was like, okay, so low tire pressure light. But then I was like, but if

you're thinking it has water underneath the bridge, if you got any light coming on where you think there's water underneath it, you didn't get out of that car.

Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it's a bridge. When

I drew it out and I looked at it, I was like, Okay, maybe maybe if I just maybe had too much to drink or something I sin and maybe if I squint, I thought bridge no water next to a pylon. Possibly by what the explanation was but I

forget sometimes not everybody's a car person. Even raising my

kids within a car family, they don't know everything, and I hope they don't. I hope they continue to learn

and learn things and stuff like that. But I never

thought that people truly are stuck in the point where they just they're like, well, how was I supposed to know when it comes to a check engine light? And

I'm like, you're not. If it's already on and you

haven't done anything about the first time it came out, it can't come on twice.

Speaker 3: And then so I started thinking about it even more and I hope she's listening.

Speaker 2: So, you know, you don't have a lot.

Speaker 3: Of features in these cars, and I just realized not everybody knows how to use these features because I was like, you know, the light came on, but you never asked your car why the light came on. You know, you

can go through that menu and stuff. I scrolled through

the many of the first arrow I go down, it comes off of an air message and says tire pressure low and then blinks the tire that she needs to check, and I'm like, so you just you thought it was water underneath a bridge and underneath a bridge.

Speaker 2: I got a waterneath the bridge light. I saw it

honestly too.

Speaker 3: I also thought, I was like, well with Takia, does it have new safety features I don't know about.

Speaker 2: Like I get explanations, some of the weirdest explanations I get of lights people try to describe to me, and I'm like, what, I've never seen that one before, and they are the most outlandish explan for lights. But water

underneath the bridge is a new one for me. I

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, so we were talking about check ins and lights.

Check ins I's probably got to be like the worst conversation that you probably ever want to have if you're in the car business somebody, because there's a hundred reasons or better that the check engine light can come on.

Speaker 5: Well, in a lot of times it's bad news or.

Speaker 3: Always, but its.

Speaker 2: People already start off very hopeful. They're always like, well,

hopefully it's just something simple. And of course when I

was in the car market, of course you want to go, well, let's hope that it is but you know, for the most part, if it's on, it's because something has been ignored.

That check engine light didn't come on for no reason. Like, Okay,

I had a guy who had a check enginelight come on, and he took it to one of the auto parts stores, right, and they're like, oh, it's just a it's a leaky gas cap. What would you do for a leaky gas cap?

What would you got? What would you guys do?

Speaker 3: Replace the seal on the gas cap?

Speaker 2: Okay, maybe you have Nathaniel.

Speaker 5: What would you do a leaky gas cap?

Speaker 2: Yeah, at least it was eventilating, was leaking the gas cap, wasn't ceiling tight?

Speaker 5: Or just get a new gas cap and check the seal, That's what I would do.

Speaker 2: Nope, not this guy.

Speaker 5: He duct taped it.

Speaker 2: That's hilarious. I'm like, okay, okay. And of course he

didn't say that, And so we already had the car and it's back there and we're looking at and I opened up and there is a god awful amount of duct tape, and I'm like, okay, first of almost the.

Speaker 5: Same amount of money for a duct taplace.

Speaker 2: In the car. That was the question I had. I

was like, so what does this guy do when he runs the next problem? And I'm not talking like he

put a little bit on it. It took effort to

get the gas cap off, to get all the duct tape off. I'm like, I mean, he he, he did

a bang up job on it. Let me just tell

you so.

Speaker 4: Let me let me ask you so did he do that?

Because it when it start without the gas cap having a good seal, So it's someone doing won't start if it knows it's a gas cat.

Speaker 2: I don't. I have never ran into that. Maybe I

don't if you guys have a car, I've never ran into a car that won't start because of a gas I get a check engine light for a large evapp leak.

I've gotten that.

Speaker 3: Man, some cars won't start at the gas.

Speaker 2: It still didn't turn his check engine light off. You

duck did all the duct tape and it still didn't fix the problem. So what was he?

Speaker 3: Probably thought? You want to drive around?

Speaker 2: Then I had people that that like have come into me and they're like, all the check engines lights on. Yeah,

my buddy's got a scanner and he scanned it and he told me that it probably needed spark plugs. That

had a misfire. I'm like, okay, so, how well, here's

where you went wrong my body? I mean, like, how

long ago was that? And they're like, oh, it was

like three months ago. But the car came to me

on a tow truck and they're like, and I just don't understand it. It was running and it just stopped running.

I'm like, right, because three months ago someone told you you had a problem and you didn't it fix it and you just kept driving it. And now they're frustrated

because it had to get towed. I'm like, they're like, well,

I just don't understand. I'm like, the understanding part was

three months ago when someone said that you have an issue and you went.

Speaker 3: Eh, three months ago is when you should have probably started planning that your car is going to be in the shop for about a week, you know, and you made me an alternate solution to be able to get you around.

Speaker 9: You know, you had three months, sir, to get it right, and you kept driving it or like so cakivers are are a really big thing for checking July's camera nose.

Speaker 2: It just happens usually. But here's the problem. So when

I say something to something, they go well, I was told I need a cat converter, and I go, all right, I hear you. Let's dive into a little bit. And

I go, okay, you're right, you need a cat converter, but you also need this and this, like, well, I was just told I need a cat converter. I'm like, yeah,

but what made the cat go bad? Something made the

cat go bad. Reason why it's clawed, right, there's a

reason why it isn't functioning the way it's supposed to do.

So then they're like, well, I just want to do the cat and I'm like and my aunts are always like and I just don't want to touch the car, and they're like huh. I'm like, now, I don't want

to do that. I'm taking money from you for all

the wrong reasons. I can put a cat on it.

It may make the light go away, but I didn't address the problem. All I did was buy you temporary

time until whatever made the cat go bad makes this new cat go bad.

Speaker 3: You replace the downstream cat sensor and then you replace the downstream.

Speaker 2: Part, but was causing it to go downstream? And they're like, well,

why can't there be just a check engine light that just turns on a light for this or that. I

was like, do you know me, lights you'd have to.

Speaker 3: Have, right, and their check engine light basically is for it hold on.

Speaker 2: And then it gets even funnier because then you go to the car and you pull the car in and you look at it and there is every light on the dash on It's Christmas. It's got a check engine

light on it, it's got the break where sensor light on it, it's got an overheating temple light on it.

I'm like, it got a gain light for a really long time. There's something horribly wrong with your car. You're like, well,

that light came on, it kept running. I'm like, running

from the junk man. It kept running. You're right. It

was running from the junk man, is what I was doing.

It was trying to get away from being crushed because every light on the det and they're like, well, I hope it's not going to be very expensive, and I'm like, well, that everything light but the second and third light, right, sir, You're gonna have a problem. When you got to the

point that your dash looked like it was literally trying to speak a foreign language and communicate with you. I

don't know a movie that was you guys are remind me the one where the where the spaceship was flashing lights.

It's like DoD do do do? And it looked like

your dash was doing that. That was the indication that

something has gone terribly, terribly wrong. And like I said,

and for the fact that when you ask people like, let me ask you a ques and so the check engine light's on, but how long has the car been making that noise? And they're like, oh, what's been making

that noise for a while? What's that got to do

with the check engine light? I'm like, huh, what do

you think is a lot? You didn't so? And then

they tell me they never even realized that those two might be like connected to each other.

Speaker 4: I'm like, you always have to ask them the question do you are you? Are you looking to let the

car run for a long time or it just gives you to point a to point. I think a lot

of people it's point a to point and I agree with that. And if I, like I said, I get

weird explanations for things. While I was driving and the

Genie lamp came on and I'm like, huh. The first

time I heard that I was confused, right, Yeah, I see you're looking at it too.

Speaker 2: You're like, what they're talking about? The low oil light?

Really see that?

Speaker 5: That's hilarious.

Speaker 2: Lamp three?

Speaker 3: Can I get my car fixed?

Speaker 2: Wish number one? It's I wish my check engine light

didn't come on. That's that's not what it is. But

the explanations for things, like I said, the water with the bridge thing is the new one for me. But

like I said, I've had some of those strangest explanations.

Speaker 4: I will say, though, you know, cars have gotten more advanced and especially telling you what's wrong with the car.

But I do feel like as a consumer that may may not know all that, and it goes into some of those codes, and that sometimes even the simpler programmers or you know, they should be able to read the codes a little more simpler so people can understand what they are.

Speaker 3: So I said, and Dad would remember this conversation where I said they should take a car out of factory, put a bunch of censors on it, you know, and then drive it like a regular person and make measurements of every like single pitch or noise that the car is supposed to make.

Speaker 2: I was like, tell you.

Speaker 3: So if it makes like a wrong pitch or if it makes like a wrong noise, like yeah, it knows that.

Speaker 10: Yeah, probably, yeah, But it was a long time to do that, like the idea, and then it would be like, hey, we heard a noise coming from the passenger right tire and it's coming from this exact area.

Speaker 2: I believe that could be done here. Let me tell

you why I believe that. Hold on, I know you got.

I believe that'd be done because remember how I told you, guys that the cars can sense feeling. Now it knows

what kind of mood you're in while you're driving. If

you can make a car sense what mood you're in while you're driving. If you guys don't remember that conversation,

go back. I can't remember what episode it was. It's

many episodes going back. But the car was going to

turn on like soothing music to calm you down while you're driving, because the sense that you're up tight.

Speaker 3: It was awesome. It was spray in the car.

Speaker 2: It had one where it would give like coming spray right.

We've read about that too, and I thought that was so maybe if the car could do that, it could be programmed with enough pitches and noises to detect maybe what the problem was. I believe that's possible.

Speaker 5: Yeah, no, one, it is a little over killed.

Speaker 4: I think we can get to the point now where it's just searches for the simpler codes.

Speaker 3: Kind of but kind of not. But because I think

about it, if you create the system where you purposely broke that part and now taught the car of hey, when this part breaks, this is what you're going to see or you're going to hear or feel. You know,

now you know, Okay, it feels it again.

Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. Like okay, so let

me ask you a question. Check engine lights or message

center that tells you exactly what's wrong? Which one? Because

remember they were doing that for a little while. They

had message centers on the car Mine has actually give you a little bit of a description of what.

Speaker 3: And it pops up and they will tell me how much tells it tells me the code, and it tells me the description. It will say bank censor bank one. Okay,

but you have to like you have to click on it and then you have to hold it and then that's when it pops up. The actual message tell you

a certain things okay, tell me like an onboard.

Speaker 2: I'll ask you the same question. Then again, check engin

light or message center tells you exactly what what's going on with the car.

Speaker 3: Going both ways. And honestly, for like a car person

like me, I like the message center because it at least tells me do I need to pull over immediately?

Or is it something that I can ignore? I mean,

here's my theory though, but I would say probably for the regular driver, probably just a check engine light unless it's an emergency and then you have to pull over.

Speaker 2: Here's my theory on that. My theory is, rather you

have a check engine light or you have a message center, you're still not going to do anything. Hence camera still

has a bad O two sensors current that he hasn't fixed it forever. It doesn't matter what we tell, even

me echoing it fixed it hasn't made him fix it.

So for the common driver fix the problem, he still runs. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, all right, so we've been talking about check engine lights and all the weird things to go with in the fact that you really shouldn't ignore it. By

the way, Cameron did look up the name of the movie where they're communicating with the aliens, and it's classing Close Encounters are the third kind. Your car is not

doing that. That's not it's not the movie.

Speaker 3: Uh communicating with the mothership.

Speaker 2: I understand the mothership. I understand that for some people

cars are confusing and stuff. Another weird story had so.

I had a lady years ago brought me in her car, told me how to check engine light on it. She

dropped it off. We checked out a call her back.

I samam, I said, we figured out the problem. The

checking in is l you have a bad cat. I

got stuck in a roundabout conversation with this lady for what felt like forever may Maybe it was five it could have been ten minutes, could have been longer. It

felt like an hour or two long about how her husband told her she's not allowed to have any more cats.

You think I am not lying.

Speaker 3: The cats removed.

Speaker 2: I was like, we're gonna need to replace the cats in it. She goes, we already have one cat. My

husband said I can't have anymore. I was only that's

where gusy went. I was utterly confused at first. In

the conversation, you laughed, but yes, I found cats underneath the hood. Not nice, ye, but that's not tough. But

she I didn't you were trying to let the customer. Yeah,

I'm still kind of you're trying to let the customer finish this?

Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, right.

Speaker 2: It took me a second. I don't realize what she meant.

I'm like, what is this? And I was like, you

got to be there's no way, no. She I probably

should have said a catalytic converter. But you know what,

even in a hurry, I messed that word up to this game right time. So I always just say, hey,

you need a cat.

Speaker 5: Or leuis Karen likes to call it kindillac.

Speaker 2: Yeah, cat, He's like, I need my Cadillac convert I'm like, it doesn't matter what you do to the car. It's

not going to convert to a Cadillac. I don't care

what part you put on it. But we all mess

it up. But she, I don't know how she thought

that bringing her car to the shop had anything to do with the cat.

Speaker 3: She had at home, Like I could may have been a promotion that you guys had going c I was introduced to crazy for sure.

Speaker 2: Once I finally got her on the right page, the conversation just kept going in weird directions. But those are

the times sometimes you just you get in that. How

many times have I explained to somebody that you replace tires and you have to replace them in groups? Right, right?

And I'm stuck in the endless conversation of trying to explain to somebody about tires. I hate. I've told you guys,

I don't like rim conversation. I like tires conversations, I

think because a lot of times people I don't like trying to fit up rims. I don't like tires because

when I was in the business trying to have tire conversation with people, they could not understand circumference. And I

thought we learned that in school, But it seems like that might be the part in school where a lot of people fell asleep because they're like, why I have two brand new tires on it. I'm like, okay, you do,

but you don't have four new tires on it, and it's all will drive and the circoverance of the two tires you put on are different than sircoverments of the older tires. They're like, well, no, they said, they're not

worn out yet. You're right, they're not worn out yet.

Speaker 5: They're great tires.

Speaker 2: They're great tires. But it's an all wheel drive car. Well,

what do you mean I only drive with two wheels?

I'm like, huh, And then I realize they're talking about steering, right.

But these are the conversations you have where you're like, I've heard.

Speaker 5: You, and then you start to under your next question is who sold you only two tires?

Speaker 2: Right? You know that's you're absolutely right and so and

I'm like, Okay, I run into the conversation with people all the time, and people call me nask me for advice, and I'm like, where did you go for tires? And

why didn't they explain this to you when they were selling you tires?

Speaker 1: Why?

Speaker 2: Because they're in a hurry to just sell you what they believe they can get. They can sell you and

be done.

Speaker 5: Not but then again the customer.

Speaker 4: But then again, the customer usually only wants to replace what's needed. But I mean, as you all know, you

know some people, you know they're just a little stubborn, so you know you gotta let them, you know, learn on their own.

Speaker 2: Yes, But then I start to understand how the check engine light conversation comes all the way back around full circle.

Because when you get stuck in these weird conversations with people that you're like, I understand how your check ins is light on you thought that that's not a problem when you believe that needing a cat has something to do with what a litter box at home?

Speaker 5: And like, I'm like, whishy purse.

Speaker 2: Right, Sometimes you lead the conversation going am I the best of one? In this conversation, you start questioning yourself.

You're like, how did I.

Speaker 5: I mean, I find a comedy? I mean, I'm like,

you're right, it is per d but it isn't ating a cat, right.

Speaker 3: I mean the tire conversation, I'd be making jokes about it.

I'd be like, so you know the diameter or the circumference?

You you take two times pie?

Speaker 2: You know what pie?

Speaker 3: I mean time to buy the radius? Well, because it

has two innutes, you have to have to start.

Speaker 9: You're like, and by the way, that there's any on the circumference, there's an eye in there and the word of tires, but there's no eye in team.

Speaker 2: So if you didn't have a team of tires to make your cargo down the road, that's your problem.

Speaker 4: Man.

Speaker 3: Quiet It's like.

Speaker 4: Those conspiracy videos where they're like they're like well this matches this, and it's.

Speaker 5: Like, has no connected to it?

Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, that's the conversation to get there. I

don't understand how you get from here to here in some of the conversations you have.

Speaker 3: See the cower bill was green and it has a circle on it, right, it has two circles on the back, so you got to replace two tires all way, Okay, I have to.

Speaker 2: Resist from doing that though. What's what's that?

Speaker 5: What's that one movie?

Speaker 4: I think I think it's Internship where they're like, we're in a blender. Now we're saving the world.

Speaker 2: What it's like?

Speaker 3: The interviewer was like, we're in a blender. He's like, yeah,

we're in a blender.

Speaker 2: What's It's definitely a mixed bag of tra that's for sure.

Like I said, I've had many conversations when it comes to cars that you when I was in the car, because you would hang up the phone and you go, that did not just happen. Wait a minute, and you

were here. You replay the conversation. You're trying to figure

out did I initiate that craziness or was that craziness there waiting for me?

Speaker 5: Did I really do any information.

Speaker 2: Yeah did I I didn't get any information out of this.

I am what is that movie? I am literally stupid?

Or after listening to that no value? What is the

one that's where he's uh, he has to go up and give the speech. I don't know what movie is,

but he has to go up and give the speech.

And uh, I want to is that Hank the Tank or something like that? And he's got to he's in

you go, boy, what's that movie?

Speaker 9: My boy blue?

Speaker 2: That's everything?

Speaker 10: I think.

Speaker 2: He gives up and he's like that had no rest.

It's one of those situations you're like, I don't know how that helped me in a.

Speaker 3: Lot of things I get through my head after I hang up on a phone, on the phone of customers, I'm just like, she wasted my time, she wasted her time, and we got nowhere, and I still have a bunch of questions from the time I answered this phone to the time I got off.

Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, it all comes back to the same thing, like when you try to explain somebody the check engine like came on because there obviously is a problem, and they go, well, I haven't experienced any problems.

I'm like, but obviously you Now I'm on the phone with your car, and your car was at the repair shop.

Your car didn't get to the repair shop because you didn't have any problems you brought it well, yeah, other than that problem though, And I'm like.

Speaker 3: What, Look, she just woke up todate somebody in her ear whispered and said take it to a repair shop.

It's not like something. It's not like something told her

she needs to take it to repair shop. She just

wanted to come on her own.

Speaker 4: And it's like when people are like, you know, I think McCart needs a tune up, or you know, I think, yeah, you know, I think I'm gonna change oils today?

Speaker 5: What makes you think what I mean? I just just

felt like it today.

Speaker 2: No way you.

Speaker 3: Change to say that all the time.

Speaker 2: Back when I was in the car, I'm like, you didn't just wake up today and decide to bring your car in for a tune up. Something happened that made

you believe your car needed a tune up. Like, but

maybe if they say it, it makes them feel narrow, like if I say it out loud, it didn't happen, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if

That's what it is, and it has mystified me forever.

I'm like I used to always tell you guys. Anybody goes, hey,

I need I want to bring my car in and get some service done, and you go, oh, what makes you think you need that service? Oh? No, I decided

I just want to go ahead and do preventin. I

know there's eighty percent chance that they're full of it.

There is something you smelt, felt, seen something that made you believe that that car need to come. You're not

coming to spend hundreds of dollars just because you got a out here up You're but that day, there is something that happened that instituted you to want to bring your car, and you're not gonna do without your Nobody can do without their car. You're not gonna do without

your car for a day or two when it gets fixed because you just decided, Hey, you know what I'm gonna do today.

Speaker 5: Now, I will say some people do decide when they go on like long trip.

Speaker 2: That's different.

Speaker 4: You know, they want to, you know, make sure everything is great and take care of that works. But you just,

you know, wake up out of the blue and you're like, you know what I think today I'm gonna I'm going to.

Speaker 3: Take my car and change Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's look the check engine light if it comes on people one hundred percent. And I know a lot

of people listening to show you guys are car guys.

I don't need to tell you this. I'm talking about

the ones that listen to this show. Turn the car,

don't have times and back on. See if it goes

off and no, no, that's loosen everything and retighten. You're

probably just fine. There's obvious an issue. Don't continue to

drive it into the car and decides it wants to leave you somewhere, or it feels like it's going to leave you somewhere. And by the way, it's it's not

a therapy light. It's not turned on going my car

and needs therapy and you just decided to ignore it.

There is something going wrong and you need to address what's going wrong before it leaves you high and dry.

Don't believe me. Go ahead and keep on doing it

your way and see how that works out for you.

But that's it. That's our advice. I would tell you

if you got some funny stories you want to tell me about check injin lights, go ahead and email men, text them to you. Whatever. If I find that something

I haven't heard, hey, we'll talk about it on the air.

And that note, guys, is the end of the show.

We got to go ahead and get out of here.

It has buzzed right on by. Enjoy your weekend, get

yourself out to a car show. Why there's some left.

Oh yeah, by the way, do not forget October eleventh.

We were going to be out at the Military Aviation Museum out in Pungo at the big huge show. We

also have SIMA coming up. I will be what else,

Oh yeah, I'll be seventeenth Street out there on the thirteenth for their big huge cornhole game here in Virginia Beach.

So if you guys are in Virginia Beach, you want to stop into that is a great show supporting firefighters.

Billy over seventeenth Street and his crew do an awesome job stopping and see us. We'll be out there. On

that note, I'm going to get out of here. Enjoy

your Saturday. Sunday is right around the corner, and make

sure you turn off on plug. Spend some time with

your kids. They'll love you for it. Right here, and

I'll talk to you soon.

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