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I bought this 1965 Beetle that had been converted to electric.
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I picked it up at auction on collecting cars.
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Thought I was getting it at bargain price at £25,000,
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but the original build cost, it had been built by a music producer
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at the cost of £70,000, plus the cost of buying the car.
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Chris Evans, DJ Chris Evans, had then bought it from him for £40,000,
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and it was given away, he gave it away to Comic Relief.
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Then I had an issue where rain leaked down the wiper spindle
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and dripped on the charge controller,
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so they bypassed those two cells,
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which then reduced my range to 70 miles.
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It didn't have a fast charger, so I was sat for six hours
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in a Morrison's in Ross on Wig,
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so I got rerouted up the steep hill,
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it just drained the battery.
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I'd found a charger, but it was the wrong type of connector.
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So another reason not to buy an electric car.
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Yeah, so I've kind of gone off the whole idea of getting an EV,
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but yeah, I've tried it.
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Now, I'm going to get a little bit of a rant,
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because also I think this ties into the...
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It's a little bit topical as well.
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I heard something the other day on the radio
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about how to rescue high streets
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and how to get people to go back to local high streets
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and stuff like that, and to my mind, I was like,
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look, it's really simple, let people park.
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And I think that what we found,
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especially when you think back to our era,
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sort of the 80s or whatever, you could drive around,
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you could drive anywhere,
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and invariably you could park in front of the shop
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that you needed to go to or nearby, you know,
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and it was possible,
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and you wouldn't immediately be charged
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and there weren't always double yellow lines
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and you wouldn't always have to pay exorbitant parking prices
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that are based on the CC of your car,
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which is a little bit complicated.
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It sounds for them to be really popular
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on TikTok and Instagram.
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There seem to be a lot of Western vloggers now over there.
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And I guess in one sense,
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you're the sort of pioneer of that.
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Again, as with Iran, people are very welcoming,
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but the police also very welcoming in Pakistan,
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where anyone in a uniform was best avoided.
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We are too disgraced to our culture
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because we're too proud of people
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that don't know anything about cricket.
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Well, there's these three police sat outside
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the Customs Building, Customs Immigration Building,
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drinking tea, of course,
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and they looked at me in the beetle
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and looked me up and down and said,
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where are you from?
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Couldn't lie, I was at the borders.
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not knowing quite how I was going to be received.
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And they said, oh, you're English.
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Come and have a cup of tea.
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He said to me, are you Muslim?
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And he said, why are you wearing a headscarf then?
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I said, well, because all the other ladies are.
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And he said, yeah, because they're Muslim.
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He said, you don't have to.
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He said, this isn't Iran.
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You just be comfortable.
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Wear what you want.
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Oh, you are now, it's perfect.
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I've got my plates on, Mark, ready.
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So welcome, everybody.
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Welcome to another therapy session from Brown Car Guy.
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And I hope that we have, Fiona is in slow motion.
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She's kind of like freezing and freezing.
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So hopefully we'll have Fiona as well joining us.
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Yes, there you are.
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So say hello, guys.
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Say hello to everybody who listened.
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And just briefly take a few seconds
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to tell everybody who you are.
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I think most people know who Sai is now.
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Yeah, but just say hello to everyone.
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So I found her a driver's union.
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And today we are honored to be joined by Fiona.
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Do I pronounce your surname correctly?
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So just take a moment to tell everybody who you are.
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I am, well, you know, me.
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I'm best known for.
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Or more than a moment.
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More than a moment, yeah.
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Pedro the bar-hole bug.
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You're cutting in and out.
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You're cutting in and out.
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It's amazing she was really clear.
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It was a great voice out of recording.
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I can try switching my internet connection.
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This is going to be fun.
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Looks fine on mine.
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Shall I go back to the computer?
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To be fair, she's on a boat.
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And the boat's not out to sea though.
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Yeah, but it's on a boat.
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I've never been to the boat, but she's on a boat on a river, I assume.
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In some way, in Surrey, I think.
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Oh, is that better?
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That does seem to be better.
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We can at least see you and hear you, so...
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Switch to a different internet connection.
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Yes, you are indeed.
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OK, so let's try that again.
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I may, of course, run out of data on this one,
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because this one's limited data.
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The brilliance of doing live podcasts from a boat.
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And where is the boat?
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So I said you're in Surrey.
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On a very messy boat with Pedro outside the window.
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He's named it Pedro.
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Pedro is the Vaja bug,
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which you're going to be telling us about.
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So first of all, just tell me what you do.
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Who are you and what you do?
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Well, believe it or not,
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I'm a television camera operator there
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with the state of my camera.
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To that connection, I'm probably not...
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I'm a TV camera operator.
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Don't put this on your CV.
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Don't put this on your CV, whatever you do.
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I've got rubbish Wi-Fi.
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I've got a great camera, but, you know,
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I mean, my camera's 4K and, you know,
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you'd never cope with a bandwidth of that
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on my mobile phone connection.
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Yeah, and yes, my laptop is about 20 years old,
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so the webcam's about 20 years old.
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But as I say, it's like Trigger's broom.
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Most of the internals have been replaced,
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but the webcam's never gone wrong,
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so it's still a 20-year-old webcam on the laptop.
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So you guys made me switch to the phone.
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Well, the thing is when we were trying it earlier,
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so obviously when we do these things,
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we've kind of joined a few minutes before
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to see if everything is working.
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And we were having some trouble before,
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but somehow, once we've gone live,
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it seems to have switched back the other way,
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where this is now working a little bit better.
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Welcome to the 21st century.
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Welcome to the... Welcome to 2025.
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It's okay because this is a therapy session.
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You know, you can be who you are
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and you can say what you like, so it's all right.
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But tell us a little bit about your adventures.
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I did do a little interview with you about,
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I think about three years ago, was it?
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I think about three years ago.
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Yeah, yeah, we did it.
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I think it was longer than that.
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It was at the Scion House car show, wasn't it?
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Yeah, I think it was a year after the lockdown, wasn't it?
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Because it was the first show that had come back after the lockdown.
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So I'm guessing that must have been 21 or 22 then?
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Must have been around then.
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So yes, you did an interview with me with my Beatle
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about my drive in the Beatle from the UK to Singapore.
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I started off a bit smaller than that,
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so I drove a Beatle from the UK to Gambia.
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That was a Beatle that I bought for £99 that hadn't run for 15 years
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and I drove it down over the Sahara Desert to the Gambia
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where it was auctioned off the channel.
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Oh, so was that part of the sort of like the bend thing that happened?
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Was that part of that?
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No, this was, it's called the Plymouth Banjal Challenge.
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It's supposed to be like a budget version of the Paridaka
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with the original Paridaka route
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down through the Sahara Desert through Mauritania
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and finishing up in Gambia rather than Senegal.
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So yeah, the rules of the rally where you had to buy a car for under £100,
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drive it down to Gambia
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and then all the cars were auctioned off for charity in Gambia.
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So that was the first car rally that I did
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and I very much got the bug as it were.
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The only reason I chose a Beatle...
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Yeah, the only reason I chose a Beatle,
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it wasn't actually my choice.
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I decided I wanted to do this.
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I'm a rubbish mechanic so I signed up a friend of mine
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who was the best mechanic that I knew
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without telling him, of course.
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And when I told him, he said, yes, okay, I'm up for that
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as long as I can choose the car.
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And he was restoring Beatles as his business
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so that's what he chose.
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So he found the car.
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And then he had to drop out.
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His mum was taken ill and he had to drop out of the rally
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so it ended up me and my friend Claire,
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no mechanical skills whatsoever between us
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with this car that he got on the road for us
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but it hadn't run for 15 years prior to that.
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and our first breakdown was at Fleet Services on the M3
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but somehow we got all the way to Gambia.
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That's Pedro, right?
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No, that was auctioned.
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That was an orange car called Poldy,
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because those cars were all auctioned for charity in Gambia
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so that one didn't come back again.
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It actually got sold to...
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Do you name all your cars?
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Well, Poldy actually came with that name.
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Yeah, one of the Shah's daughters who...
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She was at university over here
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and so, of course, she couldn't go home again.
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Anyway, she was dating a friend of mine
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and they had a property in Gambia
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and they decided that they were going to buy
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my Beetle at the end of the rally.
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They thought it would be a nice
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end to our story, as it were,
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So they can't go on down in Gambia.
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Well, no, they ended up...
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They sold out the place in Gambia.
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There was a fire and they sold the place
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but they ended up giving it to
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a local eco-lodge who were using it
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as a tourist taxi down there.
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It lives on after 15 years.
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But the funny thing was...
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It had the name Poldy
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written on the deck lid on the back
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when we bought it, just the letters
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So we called the car Poldy
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because of that sticker on the back.
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a German guy came over
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and he said, I think I know this car
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and he walked around to the back
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and he said, yes, yes, Poldy, I know this car.
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And he had sold it in Germany
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A car that literally took on
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and it was not meant to go anywhere
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ended up doing this incredible trip
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and lives on even today in service.
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That's what it feels for you.
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It's one of the boobies about it.
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Well, we've all seen the Top Gear Botswana special.
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What was the most reliable car on that trip?
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Although I can't really speak for reliability
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because I say our first breakdown
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was at Fleet Services on the M3.
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and couldn't get over 40 miles an hour.
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It's the sort of car that you think,
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well, imagine if cars could write autobiographies.
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The car would tell, right?
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Wow, it's funny you should mention that.
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The Beetle Drive is, of course, about my other view.
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Yeah, but that's yours.
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That's about your trip that you did.
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There's a film on Amazon about the orange Beetle
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about Poldy and the drive to Gambia in Poldy.
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That's called Bug to Banjul
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where we finished in Banjul in Gambia.
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So, yeah, that's out on Amazon.
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And then, yes, so I came back
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from that trip and started looking
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for something else I could do
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and went for the Mongol Rally,
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which I think most people have probably heard
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of the Mongol Rally. That's probably the best known
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of the Bangor Rallys.
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you have to buy cars for under a thousand...
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You have to buy cars under a thousand CC.
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So, it's under a thousand CC
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and those cars are donated
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at the end of the event as well.
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So, nobody spends a lot of money
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So, I started out in a Suzuki SJ.
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I was actually a last-minute replacement
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co-driver for someone else,
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so I didn't choose the vehicle.
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to the launch party
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and someone didn't have a co-driver,
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so I got invited to go along.
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Unfortunately, we didn't really get on.
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I ended up swapping with someone in another car
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and finished up in a Nissan Micra.
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It was someone in a similar situation
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who was not getting on with their co-driver.
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I suppose you have to be pretty close to
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or get them really well to go.
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I mean, it's worse than a honeymoon,
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Well, it means a long way to go, you know.
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I do know somebody who
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they spent their honeymoon
13:13
doing the Peking Paris Rally
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in an American La France
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American La France.
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No, she did say it nearly ended up in divorce.
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The only picture I've seen
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in the American La France
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has no wet weather gear.
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So the only picture I've seen
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of her on this rally, she's wearing a full leather coat,
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but she's plastered from head to toe
13:37
But this lady that ran a rally company,
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you know, she loves cars.
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It's not like she had her arm twisted,
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but it's quite a grueling event
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and extreme weather.
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It's when you have no wet weather gear on a car
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that's going to test things.
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Yeah, I don't even like to drive to France
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in my car, let alone go around
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around the world. That's my idea of hell,
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Is it because you're on a no-fly list?
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Is that the reason why you drive everywhere?
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I'm not on a no-fly list.
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I'm flying in November.
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In fact, you know the last road trip.
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The last road trip I did
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was around New Zealand, wasn't it?
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And that was in November. I had to fly to get there.
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I didn't drive there.
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I know I drove to Singapore, but I flew high.
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So you're still doing these
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overlanding trips then?
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Obviously, this one you didn't do in Pedro then?
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the shipping cost to ship Pedro to New Zealand,
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I was quoted to ship Pedro to New Zealand.
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So I thought, okay, that's not too bad.
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three, three and a half with port fees
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to ship the car there and back again.
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it was $1,400 to ship the car there.
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to ship back again.
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Because there's direct
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shipping routes to New Zealand,
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but no direct routes coming back again.
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So it would have taken five weeks to ship there
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and six months to come back
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on three different boats via
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the States and the Panama Canal.
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I think that's cool.
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Convict rules, wasn't it?
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You send a convict very quickly, but we don't want to back it quick.
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No, that was Australia
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we sent convicts to, not New Zealand.
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Actually, my co-driver
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on that trip, she was
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flying in from Australia.
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Old school friend, but
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she moved to Australia
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a 50-year road trip, if you like.
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around Europe in Ferrari.
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What year did you do
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when you got to Iran and to Pakistan?
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Right after the Iranian elections
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when it was all kicking off there
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and media were banned.
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A friend of mine actually
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has driven through Iran twice.
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Last year he drove from
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and he drove through Iran
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and this year again
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but he also went through Iran as well.
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He was actually trying to go to Russia
16:29
through Afghanistan
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and he managed to get into Afghanistan
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on the other side and he literally waited
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he spent five days there arguing with them
16:37
and literally they started to threaten
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his life. They started to threaten him
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and he eventually decided, okay, I'll go back.
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So, he had to go back to Pakistan and go through Iran
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and go the long way around.
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But the thing is, from his videos
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and his vlogs, he loves going through Iran.
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He says Iran is like the most
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hospitable place for the friendliest people
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you know, they help you out
16:57
and it's just the best place
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as far as he's concerned.
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Anybody not in uniform
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anybody not in uniform
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is incredibly friendly
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incredibly welcoming
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very, very hospitable
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they do anything for you
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just need to avoid the people in uniform
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they weren't so welcoming
17:19
I had some interesting encounters
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the first time I think
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I was on about my third day
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in Iran, third or fourth day
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and I got pulled over by the police
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before I could even
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find out what they wanted, three different cars
17:35
had stopped and told them to leave me alone
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and then I didn't encounter them again
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What's the one country you would never go back to?
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We would never drive through again
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I don't know that there are any
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I don't know that there are any
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choose not to go to
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I mean, I've got favourites
18:03
China was very difficult
18:05
that was because of the bureaucracy
18:07
not because of the country
18:09
yeah, that was very difficult
18:11
they make it very difficult for you to travel there
18:13
you have to have a guide
18:15
in the car with you
18:17
they can close the borders at the moment to notice
18:19
but yeah, I mean that's all down to bureaucracy
18:21
driving across Tibet
18:25
Base Camp was amazing and that's
18:27
something you can't do anymore
18:31
turned Everest Base Camp
18:33
into a bit of a theme park
18:35
you now have to get a coach trip from the bottom
18:37
there's a car park at the bottom
18:39
and they've tarmacked the road
18:41
when I went it was 99km of dirt
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washboard track road
18:45
anyone who's driven on dirt roads that have
18:47
rucked up know what I mean by washboard
18:49
it's like driving over corrugated
18:55
but now they've tarmacked it
18:57
put a car park at the bottom and you have to
18:59
pay a fortune to get a coach up there
19:03
we had to have permits to go up there
19:07
and you did that in Pedro?
19:09
I did that in Pedro, yeah
19:11
was there mileage on Pedro now?
19:15
been around the clock broken a couple of speedos
19:19
they go around the clock, get up to about
19:21
10,000 miles and then jam and I have to buy a new one
19:27
I remember when you brought it down to Sion Park
19:29
and we had it on a club display
19:31
we had Ferraris, Lamborghinis
19:33
all these other cars and in the middle
19:39
this was the most popular
19:41
everybody would like it
19:43
and you had the tent on the roof
19:45
and people were climbing up to have a look
19:49
next to David Eaton's Porsche 917K
19:55
so between the two of us
19:57
none of the Ferraris and Lamborghinis
19:59
were getting a look in
20:01
no one noticed them
20:03
and I had a ride in it once
20:05
someone was like wow this is really cool
20:07
you know you've got petrol tanks
20:11
it's like a Disney version of Mad Max
20:13
is what I would put it is
20:15
I remember that, that was when I gave you a lift
20:17
to pick your car up from HRO
20:19
and when we got there everybody came out
20:21
to look at the Beetle
20:27
so when you went to Pakistan
20:31
and you drove through Pakistan
20:35
Pakistan seems to be really popular
20:37
on TikTok and Instagram
20:39
there seem to be a lot of western vloggers
20:43
and I guess in one sense you're the pioneer
20:45
of doing that but how did you find that experience
20:49
again as with Iran people are very welcoming
20:51
but the police also very welcoming
20:53
in Pakistan unlike in Iran
20:55
where anyone in a uniform was best avoided
20:57
so when I went from Iran
20:59
across the border into Pakistan
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of course when I arrived
21:03
I was wearing my headscarf
21:05
and I drove across the border
21:07
in the Beetle not entirely sure how well
21:09
I was going to be received
21:11
but I'd done my homework
21:13
and I knew that you know
21:15
talk about cricket and
21:17
you know you can't go far wrong
21:23
there's these three
21:25
we are too disgraced to our culture
21:27
because we're two grand people
21:29
that don't know anything about cricket
21:33
well there's these three
21:37
the customs building
21:39
customs immigration building
21:41
of course and they looked at me
21:43
in the beetle and looked me up and down
21:45
and said where are you from
21:47
couldn't lie I was at the border
21:49
England not knowing quite how I was going to be
21:51
received and they said
21:53
you're English come and have a cup of tea
21:55
do you like cricket
22:05
because I knew that
22:07
Pakistan had just beaten Australia
22:09
so I said yes I said in Pakistan
22:11
just beat Australia didn't you
22:13
so you know I was very very
22:15
welcome after that and they took me to the
22:17
front of all the immigration queues
22:19
and all the people in the queues were quite happy
22:21
and just saying welcome to our country
22:23
and then when I got to the customs
22:27
who brought me tea and biscuits as well
22:31
are you Muslim and I said no
22:33
and he said why are you wearing a headscarf then
22:35
I said well because all the other ladies are
22:37
because they're Muslim he said you don't have to
22:39
he said this isn't Iran you just be comfortable
22:47
very friendly very sweet
22:49
they gave me police escorts
22:53
across most of the country
22:55
there were areas where they
22:57
they said it was fine and I didn't really need
22:59
anyone with me that was mostly because
23:01
of what was going on in Afghanistan
23:09
a few tourists kidnapped by tribal
23:11
groups very tribal regions
23:15
tourists did occasionally get kidnapped
23:17
and they said you know there was no
23:19
threat to the tourists they would kidnap them
23:23
use them to negotiate the release
23:25
of their own people from
23:29
and they said whenever
23:31
they've always been returned unharmed
23:33
and saying how hospitable
23:37
and how well treated they were
23:39
they said well we try and avoid that situation
23:41
it's not great for international relations
23:45
for promoting tourism in the country
23:47
and I didn't have any issues at all
23:49
they were quite worried about
23:51
so how far did you go into the northern
23:55
no I would have liked to
23:57
but I was pushed for time
24:03
date dependent visas
24:09
and ended up in hospital in Quetta
24:11
for three days so that delayed me
24:13
so then after that I had to
24:15
get a move on to get to the Tibetan
24:17
border in time and make sure I didn't miss that
24:19
time critical border
24:23
had to have a guide
24:29
paid a fortune for the guide
24:31
so we had to get there on time
24:35
was that food poisoning
24:39
yeah how did you guess
24:41
I'm told even Pakistani people
24:43
get sick when they go to Quetta
24:45
apparently it's infamous for it
24:47
oh you get sick anyway
24:49
I'm careful not to drink any water
24:51
or to eat any salads or anything like that
24:53
it might have been washed in tap water
24:57
Quetta Christian Hospital for
25:01
very well treated in there
25:03
I was on obviously an all female ward
25:05
which is something that you rarely get here anymore
25:07
I've been in mixed wards in the UK which I hate
25:09
I was on an all female ward
25:11
in the Quetta Christian Hospital
25:13
which is very like an old fashioned English hospital
25:17
the English built it
25:19
but you have a nurses station
25:21
still at the top of the ward
25:23
so there is a sister nurse
25:27
at the desk at the front of the room
25:29
the second she left the room
25:31
all the women on the ward
25:33
gathered round my bed
25:35
and they were all trying to talk to me
25:37
but none of them spoke English
25:39
my few phrases of Farsi weren't really cutting it
25:47
and do you speak English
25:49
which didn't really help
25:51
but you can get a long way
25:55
tone of voice and things
25:57
they were being very friendly
25:59
stroking my hair and patting my hands
26:01
and I'm saying to them
26:05
and they understood what that meant
26:07
because they took my bed
26:09
and wheeled it into the middle of the room
26:11
underneath the ceiling fan
26:13
the nurse came back
26:15
and she spoke English
26:17
and she translated for me
26:19
and she said they were all saying
26:21
hopefully a hair and skin you have
26:23
and they want to know
26:25
what creams you use
26:27
and she said they all want to know
26:29
are you married and she rolled her eyes
26:31
and she said they're all looking for a wife
26:35
oh that's where you went wrong
26:39
I had the same problem as you when I got abroad
26:41
it was asking about my skincare regime
26:43
the interesting thing about this
26:45
is that you did that in 2009
26:47
recently I was following a guy
26:49
having it across the globe
26:51
in a Dodge Challenger in a muscle car
26:55
with him on Instagram when he was
26:57
going through Afghanistan
26:59
and he was having a great time
27:01
and after Afghanistan he went into Pakistan
27:03
and he also had a fantastic time there
27:05
he got involved in a lot of stuff
27:07
I think he was criticised as well internationally
27:09
and he was responding to people like
27:11
Pierce Morgan who had said something about him
27:13
but he loved it and then he moved on
27:15
and I was thinking about all these vloggers
27:17
being there and they're finding it's a great time
27:19
you in 2009, that guy now today
27:21
in his Dodge Challenger
27:23
and then conversely
27:25
and I know you know the story as well
27:27
there's this poor Indian chap
27:29
who's ridden across the world in his motorbike
27:31
comes all the way to the UK
27:33
and he's fine all along the way
27:35
he's fine and he rides in the UK
27:37
he gets his bike, his gear, his camera
27:39
his clothes, everything stolen
27:43
kindness of strangers again
27:45
you know he's had people donate him
27:49
and he's able to carry on again now
27:51
and that's one thing that
27:53
attracts me to travelling like that
27:57
restores your faith in humanity
27:59
because shit things like that
28:01
can happen but then more often than not
28:03
people are falling over themselves to help you
28:07
and that's the amazing thing about travelling like that
28:11
that's a very excellent point that you've made
28:13
do you think that this kind of
28:15
you see the best of humanity when you are
28:17
and about doing this sort of thing
28:19
I think you do yeah
28:21
it certainly restores your faith in humanity
28:23
because you often find that the poorest
28:25
people will give you the most
28:27
they'll give you their last penny
28:29
I've been invited into
28:33
and given fresh water
28:35
fresh bottled water
28:41
they've got but whatever they have got
28:43
they want to give to you
28:45
and they won't accept anything in return
28:49
I mean it came back to your point about
28:51
that poor Indian biker who was
28:55
when I was in Pakistan
28:57
I was in the Balochistan
29:01
at the time there was no road through there
29:03
now I'm told there's a fantastic
29:05
one of the best driving roads in the world
29:07
goes through there but when I was there
29:09
it was very much still under construction
29:11
it was dirt track it was pot hold
29:13
the bridges were still being built
29:17
at that point I'd had police escorts from
29:19
the border but when I got to that road
29:21
they said oh no this is fine you don't need an escort
29:23
you can go through on your own here
29:25
and I'm fairly certain that
29:27
they just didn't want to go with me because they knew how
29:31
so I get to this river I'm on my
29:33
own and I get to this river
29:37
what you ought to do is test the depth of the river
29:39
and make sure it's not too deep to
29:41
drive through but I could see tyre tracks
29:43
going in I could see
29:45
tyre tracks coming up the bank on the other side
29:47
so of course I just went for it it looked like
29:49
it was a regular crossing point
29:51
it wasn't too deep but what
29:53
happened was something under water
29:57
the sump guard of my car
29:59
and bent it backwards under the car
30:03
along the ground when I went up the other side
30:07
so I had to stop and there's this
30:09
gang of guys come walking towards me
30:11
all these big bearded guys
30:13
with pickaxes and shovels come walking
30:15
towards me and they'd been working
30:17
building the bridge but you know I'm
30:19
a stone's throw from Helmand
30:21
you know Afghanistan Helmand
30:23
province where it all been kicking off at that time
30:25
so it was a little bit nerve
30:27
wracking but they're absolute sweet
30:29
arts who they help take
30:31
the sump guard off and use their tools
30:33
to hammer it back into shape and put it
30:35
back on for me and they invited
30:37
me for tea and said would I like to join
30:41
and when I said thank you to them
30:43
they said no no thanks necessary
30:45
they said it's our duty to help
30:47
travellers and that's
30:49
the attitude that I came across
30:51
all the way across Pakistan and
30:53
actually in a lot of the countries I've
30:55
travelled in but that
30:57
was actually said to me in Pakistan and I've
30:59
written in my book I said you know
31:01
I've written about it and I said I find
31:05
those same people if they were
31:07
touring the UK doing something
31:09
like I was doing there but in the UK
31:11
they'd probably be treated with suspicion
31:15
especially with everything that's going on
31:21
and I think you make a very good point about
31:23
the way that we have perceptions and
31:25
we're so eager to jump to conclusions
31:27
and to make judgements
31:29
based on you know the way that we're
31:31
thinking or the way that we've been brainwashed
31:33
to think and what have you and it's a
31:35
real shame because you know
31:37
humans are humans, travellers are travellers
31:39
and wherever they are in the world
31:41
like you say sometimes shit happens
31:43
and then you need the help of strangers
31:45
the kindness of strangers to get you by
31:47
well 99% of the people in the world are
31:49
lovely people you know
31:51
it's the one percent that's sort of
31:53
spoil if everybody else
31:55
and the rest of them are parked outside
31:59
go on, let off some steam
32:01
because I know you've been dying to let off some steam
32:03
there was one thing that
32:05
Sai wanted to rant about today and we're going to
32:07
give him these five minutes so he can do that because this is a therapy session
32:09
and he's got to get it off his chest
32:13
why do people park in front of
32:15
a garage it's my garage
32:17
or any other garage, they block me
32:19
and I can't get my car
32:21
this is like three times now
32:23
I've got two cars now parked outside
32:27
I mean it's deceiving
32:31
I can't actually drive it out
32:33
I've only got two of those carriages by the way
32:35
the one on the right is not mine
32:37
and one of the garage ones from the back garden
32:39
so I can't get them out
32:41
so sometimes if I'm in a really bad mood
32:43
I will call the council and the council will slap
32:47
on there which if you pay
32:55
so when he started thinking
32:57
well you know what there could be a napkin
32:59
they know where I live, I don't know where they live
33:01
and I could get a break through my window
33:05
but I don't understand
33:07
I've got signs that it says don't park it there
33:11
other people just parked the car literally just there
33:15
I used to have this guy, he used to park his car
33:17
every Saturday afternoon for about three hours
33:19
but I couldn't catch him
33:23
and then I got him a ticket
33:25
and I've got a GoPro camera stuck in a window
33:27
so I was looking out
33:29
so I'm coming, getting a car
33:31
when he notices a ticket on the windscreen
33:33
gets out, has a look at it
33:35
and he's looking around
33:37
what's happening, does that understand
33:39
he's parking in front of it
33:41
I never saw him again
33:43
another woman kept parking there
33:45
she was at a local school
33:47
couldn't get my car, was parking in there nearly every day
33:53
about 20 no-parking stickers around the car
33:55
so you can't damage your car
34:01
I set a photo in front of her and she goes
34:03
that's a bit much isn't it, what are you doing there
34:05
so I took most of them off and just left them on her thing
34:07
she still parked it there
34:09
she still parked it
34:13
one guy once parked it there blocking both of them
34:15
and I had to go somewhere
34:17
I picked it up, I called the police
34:19
in those days, it was about 12 years ago
34:21
you called the police, they were coming along
34:23
they picked it up and they parked it
34:27
so they charged him for the parking and for the pickup
34:33
knocking on my door in my house, someone was in
34:35
and one of my neighbours bumped into him
34:37
and he's like really angry, I don't know why he got sick
34:39
he goes well you parked it there
34:41
he was an English teacher
34:45
there's a special place
34:47
in hell for these people
34:53
the police won't do anything
34:55
sorry can't do anything
34:57
if you call the council, they do come
34:59
they're on my speed though
35:03
most of the time they don't come
35:05
what do you do, so now I just put that
35:09
I saw your psychology there, sometimes
35:11
I put a piece of paper down on it
35:13
I'll just thank you very much
35:15
you've actually ruined the day of my work
35:17
and I've lost a day's wages because
35:19
I haven't, but I'll just write that down
35:21
try and make it feel better
35:23
but I've got real sociopaths, I don't give a shit
35:25
why do they park there, are there shops nearby
35:27
or whatever, where do they go when they park
35:29
the problem is where I live
35:33
no parking everywhere over there
35:37
from the next road down
35:39
to all the roads over there
35:41
all the centres over there
35:43
you're allowed to park
35:45
so everybody who works in the town
35:49
police cars, policemen, they all come down there
35:51
everybody, office workers
35:53
they're all parking there
35:55
I can't even park one of my own cars
35:59
I can't find a space sometimes
36:03
there's no parking there
36:05
I would like to have permits there
36:07
but then my name is
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now I'm going to have a little bit of a rant because also
36:59
I think this ties into, it's a little bit
37:01
topical as well because you know
37:03
they're talking about how to rescue
37:05
high streets and how to get people to go back to
37:07
local high streets and stuff like that
37:09
and to my mind I was like look, it's really simple
37:13
and I think that what we found
37:15
especially when you think back to our era
37:17
sort of the 80s or whatever
37:19
you could drive around, you could drive anywhere
37:21
and invariably you could park in front of the shop that you needed to go to
37:25
and it was possible and you wouldn't immediately be charged
37:27
and there weren't always double yellow lines
37:29
and you wouldn't always have to pay exorbitant parking prices
37:31
that are based on the CC of your car
37:33
which is absolutely ridiculous
37:35
but the point is that they're trying to stop cars
37:37
from entering these areas, they're trying to not
37:39
facilitate them parking anywhere
37:41
and if there is parking it's miles away
37:43
and if it is then it's cost of fortune
37:45
and you think well how do you hope to regenerate
37:47
these areas and these shops and these high roads
37:49
when you're not facilitating people getting there
37:51
and the whole argument about oh
37:53
but you know you can use public transport and stuff
37:55
I think it's bunk because yes a certain number
37:57
of people will use public transport
37:59
but we have shitty weather here
38:01
and it's always the most comfortable, pleasant
38:03
or safe environment
38:05
on a public transport
38:07
we were talking was it on this podcast
38:09
or another where somebody was talking about being threatened on a bus
38:13
and so some people will feel comfortable using a car
38:15
if they're going shopping they want to fill up the back of the car
38:19
so to me I'm like I think the problem
38:21
that you're having with this parking issue
38:23
is not so much because like you said
38:25
people are idiots and it's one
38:27
I think it's because people are not being left
38:29
being shoved into these areas
38:31
so I've got an 85 pound parking
38:33
fine for parking in Sainsbury's
38:37
yeah Sainsbury's car park
38:39
I've got 85 pound fine
38:41
I can pay discounted to 50 pound
38:43
if I pay them 14 days
38:47
that you can only park there for 2 hours
38:51
they got me down as 1 hour
38:55
I've got back there and have a look to make sure it's
38:57
alright to be fair I went to the gym
39:01
and then did a bit of Sainsbury's shopping
39:03
but if it's less than 2 hours
39:07
but again that goes back to exactly what I'm saying
39:09
about the fact that you're not facilitating
39:11
people being able to get to
39:13
you want to regenerate shops
39:15
you want to regenerate businesses
39:17
you want to regenerate the economy
39:19
you need to allow people to get there
39:21
you just happened to have a picture on the shop
39:23
I've had a problem with as well
39:27
without paying in a Sainsbury's petrol station
39:29
which I absolutely hadn't done
39:31
I'd just gone in and used the car wash
39:35
they put the owners on me to try and prove that
39:37
I hadn't I said well you've got the CCT
39:39
they took months to get them to review it
39:41
and actually say oh no you didn't
39:43
but I was accused in front of a store full of
39:45
people of taking fuel
39:47
so I boycott the store now
39:49
but going on to the parking
39:51
I went to Southampton boat show
39:53
this week you know how much the car park
39:55
next to the show is
39:59
£60 a day for parking
40:07
exhibition centre which is in Docklands
40:15
I was working at a conference at Olympia last year
40:23
it is Olympia so it's not that far from where I live
40:25
and I thought you know what if I just drive in every day
40:27
because going by London Transport
40:29
was a circuitous route for me
40:31
but again I looked at the local parking and I'd have to pay £30 a day
40:33
to park there and I'd like to forget about it
40:37
I just go for just park
40:39
and use somebody's driveway or parking space
40:43
that's right again Peter
40:45
if you're parking in my special day
40:47
it's cheaper to park here legally get a ticket
40:51
well that's famously
40:53
who is it that parks in front of the London concourse
40:55
every year outside on the double yellows
40:57
deliberately because yeah it's just cheaper to get a ticket there
41:01
I think it's isn't it Duke of London
41:03
isn't it those guys
41:05
well if he's advertising then yeah
41:07
cheaper than paying for a stand isn't it
41:09
and everyone's going to see it
41:11
he doesn't advertise but everybody kind of knows
41:13
because the first couple years there was a beautiful Mustang
41:15
this year it was something else I can't remember what it was
41:17
it was something really nice
41:19
and it was just parked out the front
41:21
because they were like heck you know it's okay
41:23
if we get a ticket it won't matter
41:27
they probably wouldn't even get a ticket
41:35
each year they gave a ticket
41:37
there were pictures of people seeing
41:39
oh look he's giving it a ticket
41:41
I'll take a photo of it
41:45
they definitely got tickets
41:47
but again they're like it doesn't matter
41:49
but again it's the whole point
41:51
when you talk about the fact that events are so expensive
41:53
you go to an event you pay the tickets
41:55
the ticket prices are outlandish in some cases
41:57
and then on top of that then you have to pay
41:59
for the parking to go to an event
42:01
I mean no wonder events are suffering
42:03
no wonder events are dying
42:05
high streets and shops and you know
42:07
businesses are closing and stuff like that
42:09
I mean the whole thing about discouraging cars is one aspect
42:11
but at the same time you go balance that against
42:13
do you want economic social activity or not?
42:15
we're moving seamlessly on to something else
42:17
I think so I wanted to talk about the
42:19
cop hill climb I went to that
42:21
and I got there quite late because I was working
42:23
in the morning but I still had to pay
42:27
in the public car park because I was just going
42:29
for the afternoon it was
42:33
had I wanted to display my car
42:35
and be part of the show inside
42:39
if I'm part of the show and displaying my car
42:41
would it cost me more?
42:43
but it was for charity
42:45
for charity but it just seemed bizarre to me
42:47
that you would pay more
42:49
when you're contributing to the show
42:51
than you would as a visitor
42:53
yeah but it's for charity
42:55
I mean they raised £1.3 million
42:59
we have this conversation with a lot of members
43:01
if you want to be part of the show
43:05
if you're taking part in the hill climb
43:07
sure but if you're just parking on display
43:09
and you've an interesting car that the public
43:11
would be interested in
43:13
why charge more than you're charging on the gate?
43:15
I mean the same sure
43:17
like you say it's for charity
43:19
but it just seemed odd to me
43:21
that you would pay more
43:23
I can't remember what I paid but the event was actually
43:25
the hill climb was quite good
43:27
I only got to do one up
43:33
and it was really interesting because I had
43:35
so I often must see it to charity
43:41
they sell off a seat
43:43
so you drove somebody up there
43:45
so you scared the bejesus out of somebody
43:47
driving them on this hill
43:51
so you'd never done it before
43:53
to be honest it didn't really seem much of a hill
43:57
but it was a really nice shop called Mohammed
43:59
and I started talking to him
44:01
and it was the first time he's actually been
44:03
in the Ferrari that's been driven
44:05
and he had one of those glasses
44:07
he'll probably listen to his podcast now
44:09
because he's on my LinkedIn
44:11
so I'll send him his link
44:13
but it's really funny because he had his wife
44:17
so I said we're going to go on the hill now
44:19
he said put your rainbeds on
44:21
he said alright yeah
44:23
so there's about two cars in front
44:29
and he goes the batteries have died
44:31
I said get your camera
44:33
I said get your camera
44:35
because they were running out of time
44:37
they were putting cars in really fast
44:39
but just as we were about to go
44:41
they stopped here because there was a bolt on the road
44:47
so we had a few times
44:55
hopefully it wasn't on a break
44:59
the second guy took in the afternoon
45:03
it was for his son but his son did turn up
45:05
so he was a really nice guy
45:11
and that was the one I met then
45:13
you confused me for a minute then
45:15
because I met the one in the afternoon
45:17
and you said his name was Mohammed
45:19
I'm thinking he didn't look like Mohammed
45:23
and his girlfriend's son was John
45:31
so he went out and I took Darren up in there
45:33
and he really enjoyed it
45:35
and then I gave his daughter's
45:39
John who was in a 600LT
45:41
a lift to the house
45:43
and he was literally all the way going
45:45
and he loved it because
45:47
I'm revving it I've got that exhaust
45:49
because 600LT is a great car
45:51
but it's sound is good
45:53
and a lot of it is about sound
45:55
which is what makes a supercar
45:57
and it makes it feel faster than everything
45:59
and he did center and say
46:01
600LT was really nice
46:05
but this 360 is so much nicer
46:09
it's the emotions that you get
46:11
it sounds better than yours
46:15
is that a challenge?
46:19
you've got to google it
46:23
but talking of sound
46:25
nicely into the fact that we've just had
46:27
the speed record broken
46:33
Yu Nian something or other
46:41
Yang Wang is not an extreme
46:47
I think you're just enjoying saying that word
46:49
over and over again
46:51
you wanged it round the track
46:55
I'm just going to mention about
46:59
you saw the photo and what's up
47:01
a chap I know turned up
47:03
in the fourth oldest
47:05
Aston Martin ever made
47:07
and that was really cool
47:13
fantastic it was like ass history
47:15
I've been in 60 years
47:17
what about that Alfa Romeo
47:19
what about that Alfa Romeo
47:23
I can't remember the model number
47:25
I literally just posted it
47:27
on my youtube shorts this morning
47:29
it was chassis number one
47:31
of the Targa Florio
47:35
I'm looking for the picture
47:37
I found the picture of your car
47:47
I'm just showing a picture of your car
47:49
parked at cop hill this is the Nissan
47:51
it looks like you're parked
47:57
it was £20 to park in the crop field
47:59
£30 if I wanted to park
48:01
on a bit of flat ground in the show
48:03
do you pay £20 to motor grass
48:09
I was only there for 2 hours
48:11
yeah I was coming straight
48:13
for work that was a bit rushed
48:19
what I wanted to ask you about as well
48:21
you've been driving something else recently haven't you
48:23
something with a 3-pointed star on it
48:27
let me remind myself a Mercedes AMG GT
48:33
actually yeah both first time
48:35
Evo magazine got together
48:41
and they organised these
48:43
there was a day at Brooklands
48:45
two days at Brooklands
48:49
and at the Mercedes Benz World
48:57
and what they did was
48:59
they invited people
49:01
where you could go on the website
49:03
or whatever and just apply
49:05
but they invited our club
49:07
our club should have said the drivers union
49:09
for some members to come along
49:11
20 members in total went over
49:13
the three different events
49:15
and we all get to drive the car
49:19
what did you think of the car
49:23
I was just wondering actually before we get on to that
49:25
I was just wondering why do you think
49:27
you and I were invited to that
49:35
because I know the editor of Evo
49:37
and he said you should come
49:39
and I'm like alright fuck
49:41
I mean to be honest
49:43
I mean obviously I'm on the press
49:45
circuit so I do get to do stuff
49:47
and I do get invited to these events
49:49
but I normally only do them if it's a press
49:53
and honestly I'm getting to the point now
49:55
where I've done it all
49:59
it's getting to the point where unless it's something really interesting
50:03
but yeah but you go ahead tell me about the AMG GT
50:07
what did you think Fiona
50:09
you first ladies first
50:11
so was this the experience
50:13
I'm just holding up
50:17
it's the replacement
50:21
it has two seats at the back now
50:23
if you can call them seats
50:25
little kids can get in the back
50:29
I can't remember if I drove the
50:35
I've driven with lots of power
50:37
and one with a little bit
50:41
because I went to Silverstone track
50:43
so I'm driving around and fortunately
50:45
one of the challenges was
50:47
because they pay you with a driver
50:49
a professional driver
50:51
and it turned out that one of the drivers there
50:55
I want to come sit with you
50:59
but he kept telling me on every
51:01
turn here turn there
51:03
and everything's electronic
51:05
it's a bit confusing
51:09
it looks really good in Silver
51:15
you have a very narrow definition of
51:17
super cars though that's the problem
51:19
it doesn't look like a super car but you know
51:21
the interesting thing was
51:23
they do a talk about 45 minutes
51:25
about a car 50 minutes
51:27
and people can ask questions
51:29
so it's about 45 minutes to an hour
51:31
and people can ask about the price
51:35
you know what I'm telling you
51:39
I've lost interest in the car honestly
51:41
but what I want to ask you about
51:43
forget about the car you know what
51:47
but I've never driven Silverstone
51:49
what was Silverstone like tell me about that
51:51
I've driven Silverstone quite a few times
51:53
actually it's a great track
51:59
if you're supposed to turn left
52:01
you carry going straight on
52:03
in the shorter circuit and that kept confusing me
52:07
I think if you're going to do a track
52:09
if you're doing Brands Hatch
52:11
no I'm not doing any UK tracks
52:13
that was the first time I driven Brands Hatch
52:15
very tight turns there
52:17
and you go down Paddock Hill
52:19
I personally prefer Brands Hatch
52:25
it's a little more technical
52:27
you know you've got to
52:29
Silverstone is faster though isn't it
52:31
Silverstone is faster because
52:33
you're not slowing down for the tight turns
52:37
I've never driven Silverstone in anger
52:39
I've only done parade laps there
52:43
so what you guys are telling me actually
52:45
reminds me a lot of
52:47
a comparison between Yass Marina circuit
52:49
and the Autodrome Club circuit
52:51
because I would say that's very similar
52:53
where Yass Marina is more exciting
52:55
but it's also more scary because it is
52:57
a very high speed circuit
52:59
but also you know it's got that very tricky
53:01
infill section as well
53:03
whereas the Autodrome Club circuit is nice open
53:05
sweeping quite short so easy to remember
53:07
but really really enjoyable
53:09
so I think what you've described is a similar sort of
53:13
I mean for me in Brands Hatch
53:15
when you go down Paddock Hill
53:17
your stomach just goes all down
53:19
because you're just literally going down of an up
53:21
and then you hit the hairpin
53:23
but it's unforgiving
53:25
I do know people who are special cars
53:27
because I did make myself
53:29
feel sick driving around Brands Hatch
53:35
I think as we get older
53:39
I think especially as a passenger
53:41
normally that happens as a passenger though
53:43
after a couple of laps
53:45
you're like wow interesting
53:47
but that was with me driving
53:49
I've never done that before
53:51
I've never made myself feel ill while I was the one
53:53
driving normally if I'm in control of the car
54:01
did you think it felt the four wheel steering
54:03
on it did you think that made the motion
54:05
feel different maybe
54:07
to be honest I couldn't really experience
54:09
much it's just you know
54:11
I think just driving around in a track
54:13
you can't really notice it
54:15
I mean you've got someone next to you
54:17
you can't do things that you want to do
54:19
I mean she's had some more experience in doing
54:21
test drives but I like peace and quiet
54:23
I like to do my own way
54:27
and then see, start feeling
54:29
you can see in a few hours, in a day to really
54:31
find out what kind of
54:33
if you watch it going around
54:35
the skid pan at Mercedes Benz World
54:37
which I did the other day
54:39
you can actually see the rear wheels
54:41
steering as it's going around
54:43
which is interesting to watch
54:47
I think the thing is that many experiences I've
54:49
done you know on press trips and what have you
54:51
I find that there's two kinds of instructors
54:53
and it depends on what kind you get
54:55
now there's one instructor that you get
54:57
and they just go into normal
54:59
instructor mode so they
55:01
they go into that mode where they think they're there to teach
55:03
you how to be a better racing driver
55:05
and in my mind as a journalist
55:07
I'm not there to master a lap time
55:09
I'm not there to master the circuit
55:11
I don't really care about all that stuff
55:13
I'm there for the experience and to experience the car
55:15
so the second kind of instructor
55:17
which I much much prefer
55:19
are the ones that get in the car and they're just there
55:21
to make sure you don't do anything stupid
55:23
otherwise they're like
55:25
go for it dude and all they'll do is like
55:27
this is a good braking point
55:29
and just watch out over the crest it's blind
55:31
that's it they won't try and tell you
55:33
in a brake here turn in here
55:35
they won't do all of that they'll let you do what you're doing
55:37
but they're just there to make you safe
55:39
but the best experiences I've actually had
55:41
are the follow lead follow scenarios
55:43
where you don't have anybody with you
55:45
so what you have is an instructor in a car in front
55:47
which is actually great because if you're the first
55:49
in the queue and what they'll do sometimes
55:51
they'll rotate so if they take a pack of three cars out
55:53
then in each lap they get you to rotate
55:55
so everybody gets one or two laps behind the lead car
55:57
which is the instructor car
55:59
and that way you can see the braking points
56:01
and you can see the turning in points and stuff like that
56:03
and I do remember a time
56:05
we had a lot of fun it was actually on the Mercedes event
56:07
it was the Esmerina
56:09
and we kind of broke from the pack a little bit
56:11
and it was a senior Mercedes test driver
56:13
and we came into the Marina section
56:15
just underneath the hotel promenade bit
56:17
and he did actually go off
56:19
because we were pushing quite hard
56:21
and I was quite close behind him
56:23
and he did actually go off that bit
56:25
and he immediately recovered and he came back
56:27
and because it was the infield section
56:29
the other people hadn't seen that
56:31
obviously the cameras had but the other drivers hadn't
56:33
and we pulled into the pit lane and he jumped out
56:35
and he came over and he said that didn't happen
56:37
I'm like no it didn't
56:39
of course I tell everybody
56:45
we did some airfield days
56:47
which the club paid for
56:49
some members who invited to come down at Northworld
56:51
and there you can take your car to the limit
56:53
without hitting anything
56:55
and we've never, I've been doing it for like
56:57
15 years there on and off
57:01
and DB9 is supposed to be a bit of a dog
57:03
when it comes to handling
57:05
but I tell you what
57:07
once and I tried and tried
57:09
it was just well I mean
57:11
I should try a bit harder perhaps
57:13
and that's when you really find out what a car is
57:15
so if a company gave me
57:17
somebody gave me a car
57:19
I'll take it down to Brand's
57:23
talk to Andy who's the instructor
57:25
and say look can I take it around
57:27
let me see what I can do with this car
57:29
and it's great and you can take it to the limit
57:31
and it's a great way to learn
57:33
but you don't need a fast car
57:35
some of the most fun I've had on a track
57:37
was in a three wheeled Morgan
57:39
because they're hilarious, the back end
57:41
just slides out so easily
57:43
they're hilarious, I've never laughed so much in my life
57:47
we drove a three wheeler
57:49
and Russell came around the go-kart track
57:51
and it was hilarious fun
57:53
well so did that cricketer
57:55
the go-kart track would be great in one of those
57:59
we crushed it didn't we
58:03
what's his name, it's cricketer
58:11
I'm surprised he could fit in one
58:13
no he was doing a free wheeler
58:19
it really damaged his face
58:21
was that in that one?
58:23
I thought it was something else he was driving
58:25
I'm sure it was a free wheeler
58:27
I think it was a Morgan free wheeler
58:35
we had the previous, we had Clarkson, Hammond and May
58:37
Clarkson, Hammond and May
58:39
whatever you thought of the guys
58:41
but they were car guys and they didn't understand cars
58:43
and they did understand how to drive
58:45
and I did feel that these guys
58:47
they were a little, was it Paddy and Flintoff
58:49
Chris Harris obviously
58:51
he's in the league of his own
58:53
he's pretty much a racing driver
58:55
but these other guys
58:57
in the very very few episodes I saw
58:59
confident even watching them
59:01
drive, never mind them being actually out there
59:03
so it wasn't surprise about the number of crashes
59:05
I think they crashed a classic Lamborghini
59:07
in one episode didn't they?
59:09
I think they wrecked one of those as well
59:13
from people who've actually
59:15
lent them a car and they've said
59:17
they do ruin their cars
59:21
who lent them a car
59:25
apparently, so they do
59:27
use them, but yeah it was a free wheeler
59:29
it was a Morgan Super Free
59:33
I didn't realise that was the car there it was
59:37
I went out in one of the
59:39
prototype of that around Bister
59:43
when the CEO flew over from Italy
59:45
to test drive it and I stood next
59:47
to it while he was climbing into it
59:49
and said are you going to take me for a run
59:51
he said come on then
59:53
he didn't know where he was going so I gave him directions
59:57
we were just going round the road to Bister
59:59
so they're nearly running out of time here
00:03
but you mentioned Bister
00:05
and that reminded me of something
00:07
because I drove round Bister
00:09
I converted an electric Porsche
00:13
so that reminded me
00:15
because before you go I did want to ask you
00:17
about your experience of actually owning
00:19
a converted classic car
00:21
because last time when we spoke
00:23
it didn't turn out to be everything that you'd hoped
00:29
1965 Beetle that had been converted
00:33
I picked it up at auction on
00:37
I thought I was getting it at bargain price
00:41
but the original build cost
00:43
it had been built by
00:45
a music producer at the cost
00:49
plus the cost of buying the car
00:53
Chris Evans, DJ Chris Evans
00:55
had then bought it from him for £40,000
01:01
he gave it away to Comic Relief
01:03
where it was raffled off
01:05
and it raised over £1 million
01:07
for Comic Relief so this car had an interesting history as well
01:11
I thought I'd done quite well there
01:15
it had a 100 mile range
01:19
couldn't trust to see whether I could
01:21
make it work as my main car
01:25
having a limited number of parking spaces
01:27
it needed to be my main car
01:29
if I was going to keep it
01:31
for the work commute it was great
01:33
because I could charge it for free at work
01:35
now I don't have anywhere to charge it at home
01:37
or I didn't at the time I could now
01:39
but I could charge it at work
01:43
yeah, I have shore power hookup
01:47
have more here that does charge an electric car
01:49
but the problem was
01:53
then I had an issue where
01:55
rain leaked down the wiper spindle
01:57
and dripped on the charge controller
01:59
and I had to send it back to electric
02:01
classic cars who'd converted it because
02:05
it just drained the battery and it turned out
02:07
that it shorted the charge controller
02:09
whether it dripped on the charge controller
02:11
it shorted two cells in the battery
02:15
get the same cells anymore
02:17
so they bypassed those two
02:19
cells which then reduced
02:21
my range to 70 miles
02:23
well they're based in the middle
02:25
of Wales and I'm west London
02:27
so I had quite a long
02:31
they recommended I do it on a
02:33
transporter I said no
02:35
if I'm going to keep this car I need to know that
02:37
I can do longer trips when I need to
02:39
I planned an overnight stop
02:41
at a friend's house in Sirencester
02:45
make it there I stopped and charged up in Ross
02:49
didn't even make it to Sirencester
02:51
it didn't have a fast
02:53
charger so I was sat
02:55
for six hours in a Morrison's
02:57
in Ross on Y because everywhere was
02:59
closed I went for a little walk around the town
03:01
and then everywhere was shut so I just sat
03:03
in Morrison's waiting for this car to charge
03:07
and then it got to that time of night
03:09
when there's roadworks come out and there's
03:11
road closures so I got
03:13
rerouted up this steep hill that
03:15
just drained the battery
03:19
about three miles from
03:23
long story a bit short three miles
03:27
without enough charge to get there
03:29
I'd found a charger
03:31
but it was the wrong type of connector
03:35
charger and they didn't have a type 2
03:37
which I thought was the most common type
03:39
so I had no way of charging it
03:41
I had to get the car recovered
03:45
not to buy an electric car
03:49
kind of gone off the idea
03:51
of getting an EV but I've tried it
03:53
I've tried it and the one thing
03:55
I would say about it
03:57
it was a beautiful car
03:59
it was beautifully restored
04:05
it's very very modified
04:07
this was complete classic
04:09
white wall tyres the works
04:11
lovely baby blue colour
04:15
an unmodified old Beetle
04:17
you could have a lot of fun at the traffic lights
04:19
because it did take off
04:21
very well at the traffic lights
04:25
like shit because it still had
04:27
the old Beetle swing axle suspension
04:29
but off the traffic lights
04:31
in a straight line it was amazing and it still had a gearbox
04:33
you could still change through the gears
04:37
you could just put it in third
04:39
and drive it like an automatic
04:41
but if you wanted a bit more torque
04:43
you could change down to the lower gears
04:45
which yeah a lot of fun at the traffic lights
04:47
how much did you sell it for?
04:49
I nearly made my money back
04:53
I made back what I paid for it
04:55
I got pretty much what I paid for it
04:57
but that doesn't take into account
04:59
the money that I spent fixing it
05:01
so yeah I lost money on it
05:03
but yeah I gave it a go
05:09
qualified to criticize them now
05:13
I said this to one of the cars I reviewed recently
05:15
and I said to the builder
05:17
I said do you think it's too early to be converting classics
05:19
too electric because the battery technology
05:21
is still in its infancy
05:23
and I do think that it's going to get better
05:25
it's going to get more compact, it's going to get safer
05:27
and the ranges are going to get longer
05:29
but that's not going to happen for a few years yet
05:31
if you've written electric classic today
05:33
you're going to have to do it again
05:35
in five to ten years because the technology
05:37
will have moved on so much
05:39
I think e-fuels are going to take over
05:41
they're going to be part of the solution for sure
05:43
because you have to you know and I think e-fuels
05:45
because there's so many cars around
05:47
there's going to be e-fuels, aeroplanes
05:49
aeroplanes can't use batteries
05:51
it's going to be e-fuels
05:55
they're already being used
05:59
they're already being used in classic racing
06:01
you see all the old Bentley's at Goodwood
06:03
they're all running electric fuels
06:05
sorry, it's synthetic fuels
06:07
so on that bombshell
06:09
as they used to say
06:11
of having solved the world's transportation problems
06:13
with e-fuels I'd like to bring it to a close
06:15
because we've run over the clock
06:19
but it's been absolutely fantastic
06:21
so thank you so much Kiernan
06:23
before you go you know I've got to ask you
06:25
if you're coming to Germany at Brooklands tomorrow
06:27
not because I don't have a German car
06:29
I sold my German car
06:33
I'm going to Greenwich
06:35
Greenwich breakfast meet
06:37
so we have a breakfast meet
06:41
Autumn Motorsport Day
06:43
you're coming to that on your Autumn Motorsport Day
06:45
on the 12th of October
06:47
we've got to mention
06:49
Kiernan is actually really involved
06:53
she was on a committee as well
06:55
probably for a next time
06:57
really needs to talk about it
06:59
right now let's go for it
07:01
give the event tomorrow a massive plug
07:03
tell people how they can find out about it
07:05
and how they can sign up to it
07:07
go on to the Brooklands website
07:13
you've lost me haven't you
07:15
it says reconnecting on my screen
07:17
tomorrow is German Day
07:21
we've got me now great
07:27
so I will have Pedro there my Beetle
07:29
and if you want to go up Test Hill
07:31
you can get there early
07:33
go and sign on at the clubhouse
07:35
and you can take your car up the historic
07:39
there's live music the usual
07:41
the Napier Routons back from
07:43
Goodwood where it's been on display
07:45
for the revival meet that's back now
07:49
all the aircraft factory
07:51
and then on the 12th of October
07:53
is Motorsport Day where there's going to be
07:55
some very special competition cars
07:57
including that 917K
07:59
Porsche that we talked about
08:01
going around the Mercedes-Benz track
08:03
as well as the hill climb
08:05
and everything else going on there
08:07
so come along I'll see you two at that one
08:15
and I have to recommend
08:17
the aircraft display as well
08:19
with a friend to go and visit that recently
08:21
a few months back and we had a lot of fun
08:23
it was absolutely brilliant
08:25
so thank you once again for joining us
08:27
we didn't do the Concorde tour
08:29
but we got to sit in a Harrier Jump Jet
08:31
so that made my day
08:37
thanks a lot guys, thanks so much for joining us
08:39
I hope everybody enjoyed this episode
08:41
and we'll be back again once again with
08:43
Brown Car Guy Therapy Session
08:45
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08:49
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