{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"Bellavia on Scout Lawsuit, Van Ryn on Training, Lange on Fleet | Daily Dealer Live","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/bellavia-on-scout-lawsuit-van-ryn-on-training-lange-on-fleet-daily-dealer-live","audioUrl":"https://chrt.fm/track/C6AG88/traffic.megaphone.fm/CREUR1261989928.mp3","description":"Today's show features:  \n\n\n\n- Leonard Bellavia, Founding Partner of Bellavia Cohen P.C. \n\n\n\n- Mike Van Ryn, Vice President of Talent Development at Zeigler Auto Group  \n\n- Terry Lange, Assistant General Manager at Suburban Ford of Ferndale\n\n\n\nThis episode is brought to you by: \n\n\n\nGreat America – Planning a new service lane, collision center, or showroom refresh? GreatAmerica finances dealership build‑outs and remodels—including service equipment, collision &amp; repair, body &amp; paint, EVSE, car wash, signage, and software. 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And as a reminder to you, our daily dealer listening audience, we are streaming across all CDG social media platforms. Post your comments in, tell us what you think about this suit, tell us what you think about the things that we bring up today on today's show.","canonicalId":"term:f-i","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.95,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-4.1-mini","data":{"explanation":"F&I stands for Finance and Insurance, a department within car dealerships responsible for arranging financing, selling extended warranties, and other insurance products. It is a significant profit center for dealerships.","simplifiedExplanation":"F&I means the part of a car dealership that helps you get a loan and sells extra protections for your car. 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