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04:12
Hey, everyone. I'm Derek, and this is 11 After 9.
04:16
And today, we're going to be looking at why Porsche is trying to become Ferrari
04:19
and why it makes all of our older cars even that much more valuable.
04:23
But before we get into that, I just want to say thank you so, so much.
04:28
The outpouring of support in the last week or two
04:32
launching this podcast has been so unbelievably heartwarming.
04:36
I've literally had people sending me notes from sea, from boats.
04:42
I've had people sending me notes from planes flying to Asia.
04:45
I've had people sending me goodwill as they're just sitting in commuter traffic saying
04:51
how much they're enjoying getting this community back together.
04:55
And I just want to really thank all of you because without this group of just regular folks that just
05:00
love Porsche, love talking about cars, love talking about how to get in and out of cars
05:04
and talk about figuring out ways to convince our significant others to let us get those cars,
05:11
none of this would be possible.
05:12
And I just really wanted to say thank you from the bottom of my heart.
05:15
With that in mind, because we are this ninja group,
05:18
if I could ask you to head to your Apple podcast or Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcasts
05:24
and please review and rate.
05:27
Usually it's with stars, but just leaving a review, a worded review
05:32
bumps us up in terms of searches.
05:34
So when people are looking for Porsche content, we can grow naturally.
05:37
And that would be absolutely fantastic.
05:38
And I would really very much appreciate it.
05:41
Also, as always, check me out on Instagram on the 11 After 9, the 11 After 9.
05:46
On my YouTube, I just dropped an awesome video where I compared the 991.1 versus the 991.2.
05:53
And I talked about what gearbox should you pick?
05:56
Is PDK the right answer all the time?
05:58
Is manual the right answer all the time?
06:00
I dig into which model it makes sense for and I really had a lot of fun making that video.
06:05
All right, so let's get into it.
06:08
I want to, on this podcast, God, there's so much to talk about.
06:10
On this podcast, I want to talk about probably two things.
06:13
I want to talk about an interesting article that I read that I think
06:17
really relates to a generally larger topic regarding what it means to have a portion
06:22
make it approachable for kind of the every man and being an every man sports car.
06:26
And I have gotten an outpouring of questions through 11After9.com.
06:33
And I picked one that I thought was kind of cool because I released a YouTube video the other week
06:41
And of course, last week on the podcast, we talked about that.
06:44
And the question was, if I have $40,000 in my pocket,
06:48
should I go with a higher mileage 911 like a 997.1?
06:53
Or should I look for a more modern Porsche like a 981 Boxster or Cayman from the early 2000s?
07:01
And so I kind of want to get into that a little bit because in this crazy world of
07:04
prices that are flying up and never seeming to come down, $40,000 is a good chunk of change.
07:11
But the great news is you can get a lot of Porsche for that.
07:13
So let's talk through that after we kind of get to this point where in 2025,
07:19
Porsche had a really tough year.
07:22
The numbers were absolutely brutal.
07:24
Their operating profit, Porsche as a company, crashed almost 93%.
07:30
So that's like $478 million down from $6.5 billion with a B.
07:38
And it's due to a lot of things.
07:41
The big thing is sales in China have plummeted.
07:44
And so Porsche really took it on the face on that.
07:46
The other thing is that they bet really heavily on EV.
07:49
And I think the public is just kind of saying,
07:51
we're not ready for all electric sports cars without an alternative that has a gas engine.
07:56
And so Porsche has kind of done an about face.
07:59
And their whole strategy was to go full electrification.
08:02
Now they're starting to rethink that.
08:04
They're starting to push models back that are electric only.
08:07
They're coming out with ICE internal combustion engine alternatives or maybe hybrid.
08:12
And so this is all really interesting, but it really hurts the bottom line
08:16
because they invested billions of dollars into that.
08:18
The article that I read also talks about how tariffs had made a huge impact on to Porsche's
08:23
bottom line because they import everything.
08:26
And so they have been hit very hard over the last year because of that.
08:31
So they're hurting for money.
08:33
And the CEO, Michael Lighters, came out and he's shifting to a value over volume strategy.
08:39
And essentially what they're doing is they're cutting a lot of jobs.
08:42
They're cutting production in many cases.
08:45
And they're coming out with, I mean, let's just say it,
08:48
they're coming out with the expensive untouchable cars that bring in a lot of money
08:52
because from a profit standpoint, there's just a lot of padding there,
08:56
but that very few people can afford.
08:58
They're going to be coming out with the new Halo car,
09:00
which is kind of like the next 918 super-duper car.
09:04
They're going to be coming out with a lot of special models.
09:07
And these cars are going to come out with price tags that have many zeros on the MSRP.
09:13
And I just kind of want to talk about that because,
09:14
I mean, as all of you know who listen to me,
09:16
I'm just kind of like a regular dude who tries to work really hard
09:20
and save up to buy cars that I love to drive.
09:25
And I don't really have in means many, many, many zeros to drop on one car.
09:32
And certainly there are people in line that don't even think twice,
09:35
that don't even have to check a bank account when they run and spend hundreds of thousands
09:40
or perhaps millions of dollars on a very limited edition Porsche.
09:45
So what does that mean for you and me?
09:47
Well, let's take a quick step back and let's talk about,
09:50
maybe, here, I'm going to give Porsche a little reprieve on this because
09:55
maybe it's not entirely their fault because inflation really is a reality.
10:00
I mean, everything is just more expensive.
10:02
When you want to pick up a new pickup truck and you head down to the GMC dealer or the Chevy dealer
10:07
and try not to pick up a truck that has an engine that's going to explode,
10:10
don't ask me how I know.
10:12
You're looking at price tags that are like starting in the 60s and $70,000 range.
10:17
I mean, the top of the range trucks that are more luxurious,
10:20
that are more like luxurious family cars.
10:23
I mean, those are over $100,000, $107,000.
10:26
And so those prices have absolutely jumped in the last five, six years and we know that.
10:31
And so inflation really is a contributing factor to kind of the Porsche bottom line.
10:35
But the other thing I do want to give them, I guess, a little bit of grace or a little bit of past
10:40
is that Porsche's R&D department is sick.
10:43
And all of their technology, all of their pushing the boundaries of what can be done
10:49
on four tires really comes from their racing programs.
10:52
And that is expensive.
10:54
And those kind of trickle down technologies and efficiencies and all the things that bring
10:59
very vain technology to your turbos or hybridization, that starts somewhere.
11:05
And it's usually their racing program.
11:07
And that is extremely expensive.
11:08
And so if I'm going to point to any manufacturer that really, I guess,
11:12
maybe pushes the boundaries of what can be done when it comes to eking performance
11:15
out of a lump of metal.
11:18
I mean, Porsche really does it better than almost anybody
11:20
and continues to come out with fantastic iterations on these cars.
11:23
And so there is this innovation tax.
11:25
And, you know, Porsche is a premium priced product.
11:29
And there are some very good reasons for that.
11:32
I mean, I can remember, I don't, this is going to go way back
11:34
and really show my Porsche nerdery, but they're, in their racing program,
11:39
they had something called KERS, it's spelled K-E-R-S.
11:42
This was like back in 2010 on their GT3R Hybrid.
11:49
And this was such, I just remember saying this is such a cool, like out of the box,
11:53
like what technology instead of heavy batteries in this hybrid race car,
11:58
they used a flywheel energy storage system.
12:02
And so what I want you to picture is like you have this race car,
12:05
you have the driver and the driver seat.
12:06
And where the passenger seat is, is like this.
12:10
God, all right, if you folks have ever baked a cake
12:13
and you put it in like a Rubbermaid container, it's like an oval,
12:16
it looks like a big Rubbermaid donut.
12:18
That's kind of what it looked like.
12:19
And it sat where the passenger seat is.
12:21
And this thing was essentially like a centrifuge.
12:25
It was just a spinning flywheel in its spun at 40,000 revolutions per minute.
12:32
I mean, it was essentially like this mechanical bomb
12:34
that sat next to the driver and it would capture the braking energy.
12:38
And then it would give 160, 170 horsepower boost to this electric motor
12:43
to help it pull out of corners and pass where you needed it.
12:46
And I just remember thinking like, what in the world is this?
12:51
And of course, this was a precursor to their hybrid technology
12:53
that they brought into the more modern cars, more specifically the GTS,
12:58
which is on sale now.
12:59
So it's this kind of wild research and development
13:01
is why Porsches are of course special
13:03
and also maybe a little bit why they're so expensive.
13:06
Okay, so I've given Porsche their grace, all right.
13:09
Now I want to plead with Porsche to why this isn't a great idea.
13:13
In my mind, Porsche has always been an aspirational brand,
13:18
not an unapproachable brand.
13:20
And I'm comparing this to Ferrari, right?
13:22
I mean, Ferraris are sick.
13:23
And back in the 70s and 80s, the kind of cars you could get
13:27
on the streets were incredible.
13:29
But I feel like in the last 20 years,
13:32
Ferrari has gone down this road of making these ultra high-end,
13:37
If you know someone, get on your Rolex list to perhaps buy two or three cars.
13:43
And then maybe you'll be looked at to get the super halo car.
13:46
And that costs millions and millions of dollars.
13:48
And it sits in a collection and blah, blah, blah.
13:51
Now listen, Porsche has done that too, right?
13:52
Like buy a couple of McCons and we'll get you on the list for a 911 R or whatever.
13:57
Hey, we have to sell a couple tie cans here.
14:00
But Ferrari has built their brand on exclusivity, okay?
14:04
It's marketed to the elite few who have bank accounts
14:09
that won't even feel a pinch to drop a couple million dollars on special cars.
14:14
But Porsche to me and to millions have always been in an everyman supercar.
14:20
This was something that you worked towards.
14:22
This car was always a reward for hard work.
14:25
It was something that a guy or a girl could have a good job and save up for.
14:29
And it was maybe a car that was on their wall,
14:31
or it was something that they watch YouTube videos all the time about.
14:35
And they became so passionate about it.
14:37
They had this dream and then that dream could be realized
14:39
and they could put that car in their garage.
14:42
But here's the disconnect, right?
14:43
Like if a car comes out and it's many hundreds of thousands of dollars,
14:47
I'm just not interested.
14:48
I know it's not in my future.
14:50
I know it's not going to come down over time
14:52
and on the same devaluation curve as most cars.
14:56
And so I know it's not going to be in my future and so that I lose interest.
14:59
But the problem is, is that makes me lose connection with the brand.
15:02
Because if Porsche keeps coming out with these high expensive cars
15:06
and they're not coming out with the volume cars that still give us a taste of what the brand is,
15:11
then what happens is, is I start to think that they're Ferrari.
15:15
And I start to think that it's an exclusive brand that I don't have any part of anymore.
15:19
And I don't want that to happen because it's such an amazing car company.
15:23
It's such an amazing product.
15:24
And it's, and it really resonates with the hundreds of thousands,
15:28
millions of people that own and drive these cars and just have this connection.
15:33
And the next generation isn't going to have that.
15:36
They talk about the next halo car, which is $3 million.
15:40
And that's what everyone kind of looks at.
15:42
I mean, how many people have a Cone's Egg in their future
15:45
that they're going to be picking up in the next six to eight months, right?
15:47
I don't want these cars to become museum pieces.
15:50
I want them to become fun, approachable tools
15:53
that bring a lot of pleasure and a lot of happiness into daily lives.
15:56
And here's the other thing that I think that we all have to really consider.
16:00
And it's the vacuum effect.
16:01
And some of you might have heard me talk about this earlier,
16:04
but it's essentially like this trickle down vacuum effect.
16:08
See if I can throw any other analogies at you.
16:10
I had a gentleman reach out to me.
16:11
Some folks reach out and send me their builds like on the configurator.
16:18
And if I have time, sometimes I like to look through them
16:21
and give feedback and stuff like that.
16:23
And a lot of times with kind of my consulting stuff,
16:25
people will sit with me for an hour and we'll go over what they really want
16:29
and what makes sense.
16:30
And so I remember specifically I was looking over this build for a GTS
16:34
that was well north of $200,000.
16:37
And it was a beautiful car.
16:39
I mean, what a great build.
16:40
And it was just, I mean, it was really just the bees' knees.
16:43
My point is, is that if someone is saved up for 30, 40 years, they're retiring
16:49
and this is their present to themselves, like good on you, fantastic.
16:53
I'm so excited because that's a dream realized.
16:55
But as the economy kind of changes and things are more expensive
17:00
and inflation happens and people are thinking about putting food on the table
17:05
and fuel in their oil tanks to heat their homes,
17:08
coming up with many hundreds of thousands of dollars for what amounts to a volume car.
17:15
It's not a GT car or something like that.
17:18
I mean, that's just a lot of money, right?
17:20
I think we can all agree on that.
17:21
Not saying it's not worth it, beautiful car.
17:24
But that car say five, six years ago was $150,000 car,
17:29
which was maybe a little bit more approachable as well.
17:31
And so this creates a vacuum because the people that wanted that $150,000 car
17:36
but now it costs over $200,000, they say, okay, well, I can't swing that.
17:40
What can I get for $150,000?
17:42
And so then they start to look into the previous 992 generation
17:47
market of pre-owned cars.
17:49
What does that look like?
17:50
And then they take that buying power and snap those up.
17:55
Now everyone who had aspirations for those cars are now looking at the next generation down,
18:01
the 991s that are hovering, you know, maybe around 80 to 100,000.
18:05
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18:06
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And so the prices rise because there's only a finite number of them.
20:00
And now you're looking at 997s that are $60,000, $70,000 when forever in a day,
20:07
they were 30, 40, $45,000 cars.
20:10
So I mean, you get my point, I don't want to belabor it.
20:13
But when the true enthusiasts, the true drivers, the people that might never have had a portion
20:17
and really want to get into the brand, can't afford to get into the brand,
20:21
well, then they get disillusioned and they go elsewhere.
20:23
And that's not cool because I mean, I want everyone to be able to enjoy this stuff.
20:28
I'm all about this Porsche ownership kind of being more of like a dream realized.
20:32
But when the prices skyrocket like they do and the door closes,
20:36
I mean, that's everything.
20:37
But certainly for folks that own cars now and decide to hang on to them and keep them for some time,
20:44
most likely they will continue to appreciate in a vacuum, of course, outside of the greater
20:50
Gosh, don't I wish that Porsche would kind of go back to that ethos they had when they were going
20:55
bankrupt in the 90s and they came out with the Boxster.
20:58
And it was like, hey, here's an amazing car that handles beyond your dreams and it's approachable
21:06
We're going to make a ton of these, we're going to try to make them price properly.
21:11
And so you can all enjoy what it's like to drive these kind of cars.
21:14
We're going to sell them like hotcakes because everyone wants that badge and that driving
21:19
experience and we want to try to put them in as many garages as we can.
21:22
Pushing really hard for a nine seat Cayenne that's partially electrified,
21:28
that's going to be like however many hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy for an SUV to
21:32
compete with a Bentley Bentayga or like a Halo car that's going to cost millions of dollars
21:37
is fine for the headlines, but it's not great for the you and me's.
21:41
I'll never forget, I can't remember what year this statement was,
21:46
but I'll never forget that Dettlev von Platten, he was a president and CEO of Porsche Cars North
21:53
America, he was asked a question about, I think it was the question was, would Porsche ever
21:58
consider developing cheaper new models to fill this vacuum or fill the desires of people that
22:06
want to get into driving a Porsche but can't afford 911 prices or even Boxster Cayman prices.
22:11
And essentially, to paraphrase, he said the cheaper new entry level models are pre-owned
22:17
Porsches and I understand that in terms of gatekeeping the brand and having a level of
22:25
exclusivity to a point, but we've just established through my long die tribe that
22:29
pre-owned Porsches are getting really expensive and those are out of the price range of a lot of
22:34
people and so I don't know, I'm just hoping there's a different way because they don't want
22:38
what I'm seeing to be the inevitable happen. So to put a final point on it, I really just don't
22:43
want Porsche to lose the next generation of owners and I feel like they're doing that by
22:47
engaging in this new strategy and it hurts my soul and I hope you agree.
22:51
All right, what I'd love to do next is I'd love to pivot to a question I received from one of
22:57
our listeners. Every week, folks are fantastic about reaching out to 11after9.com and on the
23:03
comments or the comment box leaving me some questions about what they're thinking or of course
23:09
on the YouTube videos and eventually hopefully within a week or two when I start getting some
23:15
YouTube videos up for the podcast, we can ask a lot of questions on there.
23:18
Anyways, what I think I'm going to do moving forward is with each episode, let's answer a
23:22
question or two because I'm sure if it's on some people's minds, it's on a lot of people's minds
23:26
and so as long as you guys don't mind me pontificating about what I think based on my ownership
23:31
experience, I'm going to answer it. So this week, the question was, hey Derek,
23:36
I have about $40,000 and I'm looking to purchase my first Porsche. What should I do?
23:42
Should I buy a higher mileage 997.1 like you did or should I look at a 981 Boxter or Cayman?
23:50
And so the 981 Boxter Cayman for those of you not quite in the know is the generation of Boxter
23:56
and Cayman that started in 2012 and went to 2016. I think they look absolutely beautiful.
24:02
They have some really sharp lines with the wheels pushed out to the utmost edges of the cars.
24:08
They're just, they just have a really beautiful stance to them. They are very fast, very fun
24:13
and on the up and up. And so both are great choices. $40,000 is no small amount of money,
24:20
but it is an amount of money that really does kind of open up the book in terms of some
24:25
really cool choices. So let's talk about these two. I'm very blessed to have owned both and own
24:31
both now. I have a 2014 base 981 Boxter, as you probably all know, guards red on black
24:40
with about 47,000 miles on it. And about a month or so ago, I picked up a 2005 997.1
24:47
with 103,000 miles on it. All right. So first, what I'm going to do is I am going to give you
24:53
a very tired, stupid piece of advice, but I feel like I have to do it. And the question really is,
24:58
you have to go drive both. These are fundamentally two entirely different driving experiences.
25:03
This isn't like, oh, you know, what are the nuances between a 996 and a 997 or
25:07
should I do the 997.1 or 997.2? What are your thoughts? Those are more, that's more of a
25:12
nuanced discussion. I mean, these are fundamentally two extremely different chassis setups, two
25:18
extremely different driving experiences, both amazing, both engaging, both very different.
25:24
So let's get into it a little bit and I'll kind of share with you my thoughts. You know, when you
25:27
have a 911, of course the motors in the back, 911 is a car that you have to meet halfway. It's an
25:34
extremely engaging experience, but it is very unique. And the fact of the physics of the car
25:42
mean that when you come into a corner at any kind of speed, you really have to get your braking
25:45
done early. And then when you turn in, you feel kind of the front end bite. And then you can get
25:50
into the gas early in the turn and you feel like, let's say you're taking left turn, that passenger
25:56
side rear tire really sits down tight and digs in. And that pendulum really does start to swing and
26:02
you feel the front end of the car just rotate really, really quickly. And so it's a super
26:07
rewarding experience, really unlike anything out there. And for the people that get really good
26:14
at it over time, it's a very rapid way to get around corners. But it doesn't come naturally.
26:21
It's something you really have to learn. And of course, it's much more pronounced in the older
26:25
cars and then the newer cars with suspension setups and nice wide tires and wide stances.
26:30
It has been kind of built out of the experience a little bit, but it is still there. But when
26:36
you can get good at it, and I mean, feel the car enter the turn and you just become kind of one
26:42
with this idiosyncratic vehicle. It is so rewarding and it is the feedback is brilliant.
26:49
And it becomes like a slalom fun arcade game of how can I take this corner and come screaming out
26:55
the exit. The Boxster on the other hand, it's a mid-engine car, the motor sitting right behind
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you. And this is a car that's just like a loyal friend. It comes to you and it says, how do you
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want to drive? How fast you want to drive? I'm there. I can do it for you. As a matter of fact,
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it is such a forgiving chassis that quite often, admittedly, if I come into the corner and I'm
27:15
cooking a little too hot and I might break mid-corner, which is a no-no of course in any car,
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or if I decide to downshift because I'm not carrying enough speed, the chassis really isn't
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upset. Or if it is upset just so briefly, the car just shakes it off and says, no problem,
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we'll do better next time. I mean, that's just such a fantastic partner to really get out and
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enjoy driving these cars. With the 981 on the electric steering, the car moves as you just
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brush your fingertips across the steering wheel. It is very responsive. You have an excellent
27:44
sense of where all the four corners are, where the tires are planted, and you can place that car
27:49
with such precision that it really does feel more of like a scalpel than a sledgehammer. The 997
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still definitely harkens back a little bit to kind of that air-cooled 996 where a sports car was
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supposed to have character. And by the definition of having character, it means that there's some
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things that you might not love or that the car is going to have, and you have to come again,
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meet it where it is. Both offer great experiences. Both, once you learn how to drive them, allow you
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to drive pretty much as fast as you want, but you can drive a 981 to its higher level. You can
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drive it at 8 tenths, 9 tenths, a lot more quickly and easily than you can an older water cool car
28:28
like a 997. So take that into consideration if you're looking at these two cars. Neither is bad,
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both are different, but in my mind both are a wash. What I do want to talk about, which I think is
28:38
also a wash, is the maintenance myth of a boxers might be cheaper to run an own because they're
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cheaper to buy. And that is categorically not true. Listen, the labor rate is the labor rate.
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And if you go to your Porsche dealer, it's going to apply to a Boxster Cayman or a 997.1 equally.
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So there's really no cost savings there. And even if you go to an independent mechanic,
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To save up for those rainy days, it's going to cost you a couple thousand dollars a year.
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So there's no great savings. The other point I'll make, and some of you might know this,
31:06
is that there are no cheap Porsches. If you go and get yourself a cheap Boxster,
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986 Boxster, 986 Boxster ass and say, oh, I picked this car for 12 grand, unless you happen to steal
31:17
something that's been well maintained, that car will, with maintenance, cost you as much as, say,
31:22
a $14,000 986 Boxster. You're going to have to put parts, you're going to have to put time and
31:27
effort into that car. And so there are no cheap Porsches to own and run. Just realize that going
31:32
in. Have a what if fund, have an old crap fund, but I do think you have to take money off the table
31:37
as a factor when it comes to maintenance between these two cars. So let's talk about the value
31:41
discussion. The value discussion is should I buy one over the other because I think it's going to
31:45
maintain its value or it's going to go up in value over time. This is a tough one, right? Because you
31:49
can't look in a crystal ball with these cars. There's certainly not investments over time,
31:53
paying insurance, paying maintenance and repair costs. Both will cost you a fair amount of money,
31:59
which will eat into any profits you have, unless it's some sort of crazy special model or something
32:03
like that. Listen, the 911 is always going to be the 911. It's a nameplate that carries a level of
32:09
respect and it also maintains a price floor that rarely breaks. Once it depreciates down to a certain
32:16
level, generally you don't see them dip further. As we talked earlier in this episode, the vacuum of
32:21
its sister cars might make it appreciate over time as it becomes more appreciated and goes up,
32:27
kind of like the 996. But generally you can expect that probably what you put into this car in terms
32:32
of a purchase price, you should be able to get out of it unless you pile on crazy miles. And that
32:37
really is kind of the ultimate deciding factor is if you pile on crazy miles with these cars,
32:41
regardless of how much they appreciate in value, miles will affect values over time.
32:46
But 911s are a little bit more protected. And if 997.2s continue to appreciate and people look at
32:52
the 997.1s, you know, that star will continue to rise and you will see a gentle upward progress
32:58
in values. But the 981 is really interesting too, because it's 10 years out. It's at the bottom of
33:03
its depreciation curve for the most part. And I think its values are a little bit protected as
33:08
well. And this has less to do about the car because obviously there's plenty of them out there.
33:13
But more about the actions and movements of Porsche as a company. Following the 981 generation,
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Porsche moved to a four cylinder turbo motor in 2017. And a lot of people look at those cars as
33:26
not Porsche, which is completely wrong by the way. And we'll have an episode about
33:29
the four cylinder turbo boxers and Caymans another time. But that really does keep the values
33:35
artificially up because people when they think Porsche want a normally aspirated six cylinder
33:39
motor, I can understand it. I get it. I understand what they're saying that does protect the values
33:43
of these cars. And then especially because at the end of the run of these four cylinder turbo
33:48
boxers and Caymans, Porsche decided to move to full electric. And so as of last year,
33:53
they stopped making boxers and Caymans entirely with the advent of EVs coming down the track.
33:57
Again, as we talked about earlier in the episode, that's not to be. While those cars will be coming
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out, Porsche made the decision to also come out with internal combustion engine models as well.
34:07
But that won't be for another year or two. And so people are still going to go back to
34:11
a normally aspirated six cylinder car, especially if you can get it in a stick. Because what we
34:17
don't know is if you're going to be able to get this next generation with a stick as readily as
34:22
you can, the 981 generation. So these are all things to consider. I actually think both are
34:27
going to hold their value pretty well and eke up maybe the 911 a little bit more than the Boxster.
34:31
But both I think are a great place to put your money and you should be able to get it out when
34:35
the time comes to move on to your next model. I will say this though, please don't settle.
34:39
Let's call this the don't settle rule. If you've always dreamed of a 911, buy the 911.
34:45
If you buy the Boxster just because it's newer or maybe a little bit more quote unquote reliable,
34:50
you're going to kick yourself every time you're at a stoplight and you look over at someone in
34:53
a 911 and that's the car you really wanted. Save up a little longer, look a little harder,
34:58
try to find a car in your price range that has a 911 badge. If that's what you've always wanted,
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that's okay. I give you permission. But I can tell you this, people I know with
35:06
fairly large Porsche collections are buying Boxsters. I think that they've owned a lot of
35:11
911s and they've come to realize that Porsche really hit it out of the park with a very special
35:16
chassis setup, very approachable speed, a very fantastic Porsche experience and people go back
35:22
to these Boxsters saying, if I want a driver's car, I might go Boxster and that's something to
35:27
consider too. They're both fantastic in their own rights. All right, so what's my verdict?
35:31
The one thing I hate is at the end of a YouTube video when someone goes, well,
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I know I gave you two different experiences, but you got to choose your own. They're both great.
35:40
Well, that doesn't help. I want your experience said commenter, tell me which one I should buy.
35:45
So I'm going to do my best. I'm going to give you the scenario you should buy one over the other.
35:48
In my mind, I think you should choose a Boxster or Cayman 981. If you want to drive a Porsche
35:54
four to five days a week, if you want a modern car that most likely will start every time,
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especially if it has sport exhaust, it has air conditioned seats, it has two trunks,
36:04
it's a sensible masterpiece of a Porsche. The driving cannot be beat. They're fun,
36:09
they're engaging. They are, in my mind, such an approachable every man's sports car,
36:15
every man's baby supercar. And I can't tell you how much I think the world of them,
36:20
but I do think maybe because they are a little bit newer, they do have a little bit more of the
36:24
creature comforts. If you're thinking about driving them more days than not, that's your choice.
36:29
I want you to think of the 997.1 if you want a little bit more drama in your life. If you are
36:34
maybe a little bit more attracted to the older cars, the cars that have characteristics that
36:39
might be a little painful to live with from day to day, maybe the air conditioning is an ice cold,
36:44
maybe you have to let it warm up a little bit longer before it starts to drive like a Porsche
36:48
should because it's a little grumpy. Those kind of things really add to the experience of a 997.
36:53
You feel the motor behind you and it's wailing and the inconsistencies of that older car are
36:59
what really make you fall in love with it. It's kind of like addition by subtraction. Listen,
37:04
I bought them both. I bought the Boxster first and I absolutely adored it. And then I bought that
37:08
997 because I wanted a little bit more of that old school grit while still having some of the
37:13
moderate conveniences that I don't have in my 1972 911. So I'm not sitting in your seat and only you
37:18
know which badge is going to make your heart race. But I can tell you that if you go either way,
37:23
you won't be disappointed. You really just have to look at your use case. And there I go,
37:27
sounding like that YouTube commenter that I don't like. So sorry about that, folks. But those are
37:33
my ideas when it comes to those two cars. And I just really want to thank you again for coming
37:37
along in the journey. Once again, just asking very gratefully if you don't mind getting on to
37:42
Apple and Spotify and leaving a star rating and also leaving a written review because that's going
37:48
to be huge in terms of making this podcast explode. I'm so excited for what we have upcoming. It's
37:53
going to be truly fantastic with the guests we have going. I'm going to be bringing some video
37:57
podcasts out for those of you that like to consume it that way. And we're just going to have a great
38:01
time. We're building this together and I'm very grateful for all of you. And so with that, have
38:06
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