Best £50k Porsches

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and otherwise. My name is Lee, regular on the podcast, joined by another regular on the

podcast this week, Mr. Andy Brooks. How are you, sir?

Very well. Thank you. How are you?

Very well indeed, mate. Thank you yet.

We're also joined by a panelist this week. Many of you have heard on the podcast

before. It's Mr. Philip Rabey from Philip Rabey, Porsche.

Hello, guys. How are you both?

We're so good. We are so good. Thanks, Phil. Yeah, I guess we should start off by asking

like, how's business been at Philip Rabey specialist cast down in Lovely Boschum this

summer?

It's really good. And it's pronounced bosom, that I will tell you.

Oh, is it here?

Is it?

Oh, it's called it boschum.

Yeah. Everybody needs a boschum for a pillow.

Indeed. I remember that one.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, sorry.

Business has been really good. Actually, we've been selling cars and servicing

cars. So yeah, keeping people busy and making customers happy.

So yeah, all good.

Excellent. Excellent. Really good.

I still have fond memories of, I think it's probably two months ago, Phil,

rocking up to yours. And we did the video on 996s.

I think it was it. Was it six reasons or nine?

Probably nine because there's loads, but loads of reasons to buy 996

and drive in some of your fabulous 996 stock of, yeah, I'm kind of curious

about that Carrera Cabriolet in particular, the one with the aero kit

and the GT3 wheels.

I'm, yeah, I was really impressed by that car, really loved how it drove.

I'm kind of curious to see it still still in stock, really.

I can't believe nobody snapped up yet.

Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

You never know. I can never predict who's going to buy a car quickly

and what's going to sit around for a while.

But that's a brilliant car and we are getting interested in it, actually.

So I don't think it'll be here much longer.

Yeah, but everything about it, the color, the the condition, the spec,

the aero kit, your gearbox, tickle boxes.

Yeah, it really does.

And again, you know, it's one of those things when you're browsing cars

on the marketplace, be it ours or otherwise, you know, how a car kind of drives.

Obviously, it's difficult to articulate that.

You just look at how a car presents and shut lines

and look into the history and everything else.

But that car was so sweet for you.

And again, I've driven a lot of 996s in my time.

A lot of them being sheds there or thereabouts.

But that one was so sweet, such a sweet car.

Looks tidy. Yeah, I always say to people, if you get a bad 996,

you're just going to be disappointed because it's going to feel saggy

and rattly and not very nice.

But if you get a good one, it's fantastic.

Yeah, definitely.

And that's always the key with any 991.

You need to buy a good one.

Well, of course. In particular, 996s.

Definitely. But, you know, with a 996,

the difference between a good and a bad one is,

you know, it's five grand sometimes, which is a no brainer.

You know, it's a complete no brainer.

If you're looking further up the chain,

the difference between a good and a bad one could go into five figures.

But just for spending that little bit more cash

to get the right car back to buy a really good warranty,

then it absolutely pays dividends in the long run.

But yeah, that's that's that's a sweet car.

If anyone's interested in taking a look, obviously,

there's a YouTube video that we did on it.

But it's also on the on the numbers marketplace.

So worth worth checking out.

I'm loving that target that you've got for sale at the moment,

the yellow one.

Oh, it's lovely, isn't it?

Yes. Isn't that lovely? What a beautiful thing.

Yeah, just that just went up on the other day.

Didn't it? It did.

And it's it's it's a car that needs to go out in the sunshine.

I think we're going to take it out and do a video on it.

Yeah, because it is so beautiful.

I always think Porsche are really imaginative

with their colors back there and it's called light yellow.

Light yellow, what name in colors?

It's it's a long bonnet car for those that are unaware,

which can we get give some more detail on it, gents?

Seventy three. Seventy three.

Oh, go on.

Go on. Seventy three.

Nine eleven T Targa,

which has been restored by Canford Classics

and had an engine rebuild.

It's it's just beautiful.

And the color light yellow is is lovely.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

As you said, feel like that sort of era mid seventies.

It really blossomed.

Yeah, the the the F series of the long bonnet program

going into the G and the couple of years afterwards,

where that kind of Porsche color palette just, as I said,

really blossomed.

You've got some lovely, lovely colors in there.

And the other thing I'll say, I guess,

because we don't really talk enough about long bonnet cars

on this podcast, but if you're going to buy one,

it's so much better to buy one when the restoration work,

including the engine rebuild, has already been done

and already the bill has already been paid by somebody else

because that can very quickly become a living nightmare.

Especially the bodywork, an engine is a known cost.

But mostly bodywork is an open checkbook.

It is, isn't it?

Yeah, it's always worse than you think it's going to be.

Yeah.

What sort of power does that put out?

Is it 160 ish?

The the top of my head.

That sounds about right.

Yeah, I think it's around around about that.

Yeah, obviously, it's like that's the base spec, isn't it?

The T, which was also the lightest as well back in the day

during the years of the T, the E and the S.

Yeah, it doesn't weigh much.

So it's it's a it's a nippy car.

Yeah, yeah. Despite not having a lot of power.

And I think what's also amazing for a seventy three car,

you look at what else was on the market here by

English car manufacturers and Italians.

I mean, the build quality is just so much better.

Yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed.

It's a great car. It's a great car.

From your T911 magazine days, Phil,

is there any memories of any long

bonnet road tests that spring to mind or?

I did drive the first 9-11 to come to the UK

for a flight and drive one.

Yeah. Now, I don't remember much about it,

but they remember being rather lovely

with a big wooden steering wheel and a little bit of wood on the dash.

Yeah, which Porsche funds don't like wood in the cars,

but it was right in that one.

Yeah, I think you drove really early one, didn't you, Lee?

I drove in the country.

I drove. Oh, good question.

I can't remember, Phil.

There's I drove the Targa from the Porsche Museum

a couple of weeks ago, which was fabulous

and so well kept and looked after, as you'd expect, really.

So it's almost not indicative of that era of car in a way

because it has it's been molly coddled

and wrapped up in cotton wool for so long,

but it was just a delight.

And again, you know, you the speeds you're doing,

which it's just not even remotely about speed, is it?

It's about any everything else.

But and such, oh, yeah, a wonderful joyous thing.

They sound different as well, don't they?

To the jean bonnet, to the jean model cars.

There's a lot of love for them.

I do prefer the later cars with a 915 gearbox.

I've never really got on with the 901 with the dog leg.

Have you not?

Never really mastered it, to be honest.

The only the only time I've ever enjoyed driving

a dog leg gearbox in a Porsche, actually.

Phil, was your 924 Carrera GT?

Oh, yes. Yeah, that was a fun car, wasn't it?

Lovely thing, you know, and obviously that's that 1980s

by that point. But yeah, the early ones,

it's probably driver error all day long.

But yeah, it's just never never really

gelled with it with a dog leg first gear Porsche.

It just takes time to get used to it.

Yeah, I mean, in theory, it's a good idea, a dog leg.

It does make sense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, so it's like race derived, isn't it?

Absolutely.

A good day. But yeah.

Yeah, I'm trying to think there was also a time, funny enough,

speaking of camphor classics, I don't know if they've still got it,

but they had what is to my mind,

anyway, it's like the quintessential barn find long bonnet car.

Yeah, I've still got it.

Have they? Yeah.

And it's, you know, from from the outside,

it from a distance just looks like it's covered in rust.

And I did a video on it years ago, years and years and years ago.

And I remember it looks a certain way.

It's got patina for days, but mechanically, it's superb.

You know, it certainly was at the time when I drove it.

But I remember driving it round by Corf Castle

and this old woman turning around so you can hear like the

putt putt putt of the old, old flat seat.

It's kind of, yeah, just like wafting along as she turned around,

looked at the car, saw the state of it and started like wagging her hand

in front of her nose as if to stay like, you know, it's this old fossil.

And I thought, well, pot kettle love to be fair.

Do you know what I mean?

So, yeah, yeah.

But again, that was a lovely car and not just that they're not cars

to be rushed, are they? The driving experience. Don't rush it.

Maybe that's a problem I have with the 901.

I'm trying to rush the shift when it's something you need to take

your time through the gate a bit. I don't know.

I mean, to be fair, a 915, you have to sort of ease it through the gears,

don't you? It's not a gearbox to rush.

You're always in a rush, Lee. Always in a rush.

Always in a rush. Yeah, yeah.

Where's this short shift and single mass fire?

Yeah, too true. Too true.

All right, then we'll look.

It's, yeah, we've got a little game for everybody at home today, really,

because, yeah, we always like playing fantasy market games

and derivatives of. So we're going to do that.

It's not so much focused on the nine works marketplace,

although, obviously, we employ people to go and take a look on the nine

works marketplace for their for the next Porsche purchase,

where all cars are backed by comprehensive warranties, of course,

including the lovely stock down at Phillip Rayby.

But we've broadened horizons because even by our own sort of stretch,

really, this is fairly niche, isn't it, chaps in what we're going for?

It is, isn't it? Yeah.

It's a tight playing field.

It is. Yeah. Yeah.

So we have we have broadened our horizons.

So the game is that best Porsche is for up to 50,000 pounds,

which you may be surprised to know if you don't already does does

offer a fair bit of choice.

But then we've narrowed that down into three categories.

So we're going to pick a car for each of the following best

drop top or open top Porsche best track car and then best all around us.

If you've got 50 K to spend and you've got room on your driver,

just the one car or room in your marriage for just one Porsche.

Which one which one would you take and why?

So, yeah, which which category should we start with then, gentlemen?

Should we do track car?

OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You want to get out of the way, Andy, don't you?

Because you don't you don't you don't vibe for track stuff.

I don't. But yeah, let's yeah, all right, let's get it out of the way.

All right, then. Yeah, well, what have you gone for then, mate?

Well, I it's one that I've been tipping for a little while,

actually, that I think will be the nine six four of the two thousand and twenty's.

So if you look back at nine six fours in the nineties and the zeros,

that was the the track car.

That was the cheap car that you could you could buy pretty readily.

Few mods and you had a you had a good track car.

And I think today's version of that is the seven one eight

with the four banger engine in it.

Oh, OK, that's my my pick.

And you've got so much choice.

You know, we get a Cayman seven one eight S.

You can pick those up under 50 K all day long.

OK, so are you are you going manual or PDK?

I for my personal enjoyment, I think I'd go manual.

I might not be as quick as everybody else on the track because of that.

But I think that would, yeah, I think I'd stick stick with a manual for that.

Nice, nice, no problems with

noise limits as well, sound limits on. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. I think it's just bang for the buck.

Yeah, OK, OK, tune the ball. Yeah.

It's got everything.

I assume you don't think that they'll go in the same direction

as nine six fours and be a hundred grand in ten years time.

I don't think they are, are they?

So you can track the the the shit out of it, excuse the expression.

And yeah, and not not be worried that you're going to be losing out in the future.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think that's the ideal weapon from my point of view.

Yeah, OK, nice, nice, nice track option there for under 50 K.

Phil, what about for you?

Right, well, I'd rather six cylinders, Andy.

So I'm going for a nine eight seven Cayman R.

I think you've trumped me.

I think you've trumped. Beautiful, beautiful.

The car of the moment.

There's a lot of those going around at the moment.

50 K with a manual gearbox, then so much the better.

I forgot about the Cayman R.

How can you forget about the Cayman R, Andy, when about 98 percent

of UK cars are in the driven, not hidden collective.

It seems that way, doesn't it?

It seems to be another one every week.

There's been another one added yet last week, PP.

Yeah. Yeah, lovely manual.

A well kept secret, the Cayman R.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't I don't think it's a secret anymore.

No, I really don't.

No, I mean, in terms of values, then no,

there's definitely been a slight uptick.

And again, half the driven, not hidden collective

are going to be loving this chat right now.

You know, fluff away, boys, fluff away.

Yeah, but I've definitely noticed in 2025,

a slight uptick for for for a Cayman R,

whereby you used to be able to get a manual at 40.

I think they're, you know, that same car with OK miles on

is tipping up towards 45 now.

And it's the PDK stuff that's around 40.

But do you think it's almost getting to the point where it's?

Yeah, those values are hardening off, aren't they?

They're not they're not on the downward.

So is it getting to the point where you'd be or should I track it?

Because no, no, I don't think so.

Only because, mate, they've they've they've sat, as we've said before,

they've sat at 40 K for the last 10 years.

They've just not gone anywhere.

They've started to go up.

But the thing is, you know, a Cayman or a midengine of any derivative

does have a bit of a glass ceiling to it,

into my own in opinion, that's governed by requisite 9-11 values.

Now, this might be if one's going to burst through that bank,

it's probably going to be the Cayman R.

And I'm sure PP won't mind me saying, you know, and this is a guy

that's having owned, you know, ST 959, et cetera.

While a 959 will always have a have a place in his heart.

You know, he is he is loving the early days of his Cayman R

and was like, this is just all I need. It's all I need.

And the grin he had when stepping out of that car

at our garage therapy detailing masterclass on Sunday said it all really.

So if there's if there's a car from that midengine platform to do it,

it's going to be the it's going to be the Cayman R.

But yeah, I don't I don't see that personally.

And again, you know, it won't be the quick one.

One caveat on mine, I would have to have one with air conditioning.

Oh, I see. Look, great shout. Great shout.

And we've we spoke about it on the pod before, you know,

there can be quite a bit like a spider spider more so.

But they can be quite speck dependent really.

And yeah, air con is so necessary.

Love the fact that the time Porsche could allow you to speck it out.

But for the couple of kilos, you know,

we're not doing club and racing here.

We're just pissing around at a track day, aren't we?

So you want to stay cool, don't you?

You know, any other particular options that you want or desire

would be on the list for you?

I'd have a radio. I know some of them didn't come with radios.

Yeah. And I think that's just silly.

I mean, it's silly not to make a condition.

Silly not to have a radio because they don't weigh much.

Am I right in thinking that came and I had the option of a lightweight battery?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure it did. I'm sure it did.

Which I wouldn't worry about that either.

Yeah, I think I think we can we can code with a way to an extra battery.

Yeah. Would you go buckets?

I shoot for track day.

Oh, yes. Yeah, definitely.

And Manuel or Peter Kay.

Manual for me. Yeah. Yeah.

Lovely, lovely. Very good.

Very good. And the other option, if you can't get a hold of one of those,

I don't have anyone's done it.

Taking a normal came in and sort of made it into an hour.

Sort of suspension out.

You can make a nice

feel alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Definitely. I feel it's taking all the ideas here to be fair.

That was that was my my option was came in our but I would go PDK.

Maybe if you could even find one with ceramics as well,

just for the pure fun of it.

But yeah, it would be it would be a PDK came in our, which, you know,

they are they are out there.

And I think that would be an absolute hoot.

I would also go for air con.

I wouldn't worry so much about the radio.

But yeah, that would be it for me.

Or my plan B is exactly as you said, Phil, is to is to buy a nine eight

seven and probably a gen two, really, because I think I just want

that extra kind of modicum of reliability from the DFI engine.

But get a, yeah, just like a Billy basic nine eight seven dot two

Cayman and have some a lot of spare cash, evidently, to throw at it

to make it just an absolute all out track car.

And yeah, have fun sniffing out the rear number plate

of far superior powered Porsches ahead.

See, I wouldn't worry about the gen two car.

We had a car here, which David, our engineering built his own

personal car a while ago.

He's a gen one Cayman S and he put a short shift, a nice

exhaust, sorted the suspension out.

And it was a really nice car to drive.

Yeah, OK, and that I mean, that wouldn't be worth a lot of

money. You could you can pick up a nice Cayman S for 15 20

grand and and put some trick bits on and you sort it.

And as I've said to you before, Lee, I do think the

gen one engine is lighter than the gen two engine controversial

maybe, but no, no, that's interesting.

I think my worry there and it's funny because I've Scotty at

Barnsport, I've seen him flying past people, including me at

track days in his nine, eight, seven, gen one Cayman, but he

was on cup twos at the time and my worry and that would be

for anything nine, nine, six and nine on seven point one

and the mid-engine variance is just like oil starvation.

To be honest, when you when you've got tires that grip that

well and are exerting extra lateral forces on that flat

engine, I would just want to then if that was the case, get

maybe, I don't know, like a deeper sumps and just start

looking at that side of things to protect the car, which

you you need to have a bit of cash in the bank for that

to happen, you know, but again, like, you know, rip out

the factory coilovers or that, you know, dampers,

first and struts put on some aftermarket coilovers.

Yes, it's not a great deal you'd need to do to really, really

hone that car. And again, I think the amount of weight that

you can take out of those cars, you'd be surprised at what

you can take out. So a nine Cayman R eating and a nine

eleven GT, a heel snapping machine, I think is definitely

achievable for way less than 40, to be honest.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you've you've beat me with the Cayman

R's and maybe doing that with the 981 as well.

Yeah.

Could plan Z it and do if you fancy.

Yeah. Well, actually, I'm just having a little look and I'm

thinking more now that my my 718 to 2.5 four banger

option is actually more in the sort of 30 K budget.

So maybe I was, yeah, you know, you don't need even 50 K

to pick something like that up.

So maybe, yeah, if the question was rephrased to be 30 K,

I think I'd be on to a winner.

But I think the Cayman R wins at 50 K.

Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Nice.

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All right, Phil, which category would you like to go for next?

What have you got for the open top?

Yes. OK, sounds good.

Sounds good. What would you like to to proffer?

Well, it sounds a bit poor in a shell.

I was going to suggest a a box of spider.

OK, OK. So nine eight seven.

Yes. OK. Maybe a little bit.

I mean, probably not quite 50 grand, but a fun car

and a bit of a city car with that roof.

And somebody said recently, if you want a sensible car, buy a golf.

I like the idea of the spider, you know, having that roof

and just being back to basics and not a sensible car.

Yeah. Yeah.

They again, they probably won't be saying that when the when the rain

suddenly starts, but yeah, yeah, we probably won't be using it,

especially in this country, I guess, you know, what?

Yeah, because again, they're they're they're I think they're

possibly the most spect dependent Porsche out there.

So what would you be hunting for or trying to avoid?

I suppose actually air conditioning, probably less of a less of a thing

on that really, isn't it?

But I mean, to be honest, less is more on a car like that.

I don't think I'd be that worried about too many options.

I just want a nice, simple car.

I think the nine eight seven body shape is in size.

It is perfect for UK roads.

I think the later Caimans are boxes that have got a bit too big.

Yeah. So nine eight seven has always been the sweet spot for me.

Yeah. Nice choice.

Yeah. Yeah. So another another popular popular choice that for sure.

Andy, what about yourself?

I'm going to I'm going to stick with me.

I called roots for the open top.

Been having a good look around it.

It's amazing the price differences in air called for a coupe versus a cab.

50 K is plenty to get you into an air called cab,

whether that's an SC, a three point two, six, nine, six, four or nine, nine, three.

Any of those are achievable under 40 K.

I'm sure you've got, you know, you've got to pick carefully

because there's going to be a lot of variance in what condition they're in

and how well they've been looked after and the use that they've had.

But they're all within budget.

Where if you look for any of those in Coupe, you're 20, 30 K more.

So yeah, it really brings a lot of stuff into into play at 50 K.

I did. I saw a lovely SC cab up in Scotland, but Scottish car

got a bit of a reputation.

They say I'd have to go up and have a good old look around that

could be a bit scary.

The reputation alluding to potential rust problems

and anything just just before you're like sued.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

In fact, I saw talking of golfs.

There was a what's the not the golf are.

There was a special GTI one.

Sort of Mark, Mark six, Mark seven.

I saw one of those not so long ago, a couple of weeks ago

that had been kept up in Scotland had very few miles on it.

I think it was 27, 30 or 30,000 miles.

And the underside of it was unbelievable.

Like the subframes look like they were about to fall apart.

And it's just where it had been up in the on in the Scottish roads

being covered in salt.

So I'm sure it is a thing.

So do be do be careful.

I do wonder if it could be a bit of an urban myth.

I remember people go on about Californian cars being so good.

And somebody once said to me,

California is on the edge of the world's biggest ocean.

It's true, true.

So it kind of depends where the car is being and how it's being used.

Yes, yeah.

You could argue the cars in Cornwall

could be rusty because they're next to the sea.

Yeah, well, I don't know.

I think it's the salt on the road.

I think that's the.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the that's the real problem.

So, yeah, which would I go for?

There's a lot of quite a few 993s around.

And Andy Bowers has just bought a 993.

In fact, you saw that at the weekend, didn't you?

What's it like?

It's absolutely chef's kiss, mate.

It really is.

Is it?

Yeah.

Polar silver, blue roof, blue interior.

It's also a lot shinier now than it was this time last week

because that ended up being the the model car for the garage therapy

guys to do their detailing masterclass on.

So Andy was on to a complete winner there.

But yeah, it just looks so good.

And, you know, I've said before on this podcast that the 993 cab

there's a lot of prominent figures from within Porsche who own 993 cabs.

You know, Tony Hatter being one.

Andrews Prowdinger certainly had one at one stage.

Not sure if he still does.

Same for Frank Steffen, Volasar, former head of the 911 line.

Now CEO over here in the UK at Bentley, of course.

So you've got some real people that are like deeply entrenched

in the Porsche products.

And yeah, their fun car is a 993 cab.

So there's it's something they know that we don't for sure.

It's always going to be difficult, isn't it?

With maintenance and looking after them, there's going to be.

It's going to cost you more than, say, the the spider that Phil was looking at

or a boxer, but I think I think it's worth it.

So yeah, I think it is that don't buy a really cheap one.

Yes, close to the forty five to fifty.

Then yeah, sort of forty.

Because that's that's where you could be buying trouble.

Yeah, it's always the way, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a valid question, really, Phil.

Have you have you seen like from the your service centre kind of point of things?

Yeah, is there any lessons that you're happy to share with listeners on there

in regards to classic cabrel A's and 993 cabs?

Are they OK?

Yeah, they'll be pretty good.

We did have a nine nine.

Sorry, nine, six, four cabrel A and the the roof went twang.

One of the if they get I'm trying to remember how it worked.

I didn't get to involved in this.

There's a kind of a gearbox in each side.

Yeah.

And they weren't quite in alignment and it twisted and it snapped the frame.

But it went went with a really loud bang.

Ouch. And that was quite a tricky fix.

But generally, they do seem to be fairly reliable.

There's I think that it's just case of just treating them gently.

And if it does feel like it's not going to go.

Just don't don't keep trying to push.

Certainly don't force with your hand or anything.

Yeah, relative to the facts.

And actually, there's a follow up question for you, Andy, after this.

But feel relative to the fact that a cabrel A isn't used as much as a coupé.

Do they do you tend to find that they are looked after more or less?

You know, because there could be a danger of well, I only get the car out

for three weeks a year, particularly in this country or Europe.

So, you know, services skipped and then, you know, the to-do list gets bigger

and then people don't bother. Is that is that a thing?

I don't know. I think they are used less.

And these days, people don't take the nine or three coupés out in nice weather.

Don't they? But they're not doing a big mileage anymore.

Yeah.

So I've not noticed that being much of a difference between

cabrel A's and coupés in terms of condition and service history.

OK, yeah, it's good.

It's good to know, because that always kind of is a little bit of a worry, I think.

And my question to you, Andy, was, you know,

you mentioned, rightly, earlier on the gap in values between cab and coupé

equivalents of these air-cooled cars, you know, is how justified do you think

that is? Because, you know, again, with an air-cooled classic in the UK,

there is a finite amount of time you can feasibly use the car

without severely damaging it with the aforementioned salty roads.

But a cab, surely, is the use case for it is even less.

So do you think that's justified in the price difference or not?

For me, it's always down to the shape, isn't it?

If you've only got the chance to have one 9-11, then a coupé is what you always want.

I guess if, you know, once you've had a coupé 9-11, then it kind of opens

the ground as far as, you know, what you might accept.

So I think I'd, yeah, I'd then be open or open to it in the future.

But yeah, the first 9-11's always got to have that that signature window shape.

So that's that's always where the value is going to be less

because there's going to be less people that want it as their first 9-11.

So the market, you know, the the amount of people that actually

want to buy one is less, I feel.

Do you think that's the truth?

The shape of the Cabriolet, they didn't really resolve the style

until the 9-116 came along.

I think that the roof shape both up and open looks a lot better 9-116 onwards.

Well, there was there was somewhere to put the roof fill for the first time.

Well, exactly. Yeah, you didn't have to fiddle around with the tonneau cover.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, it sat like within the rump of the car

rather than on top.

And, you know, as Tony Hatter has told us on the podcast previously,

you know, ultimately, even by the time of the 993,

they're still essentially trying to play with what was by then, you know,

a 30 year old design. Yeah.

So I think I think for that reason, sticking with my air called roots

that I'd go for an SC then because we know that that that hood

sits further down and is less intrusive at the back.

So yeah, it's my choice. I'm going to stick with my stick with the SC.

Good choice. Lee, what are you going for?

Very good. Very good. Andy Brooks and G model shocker.

So I've got a few here.

I kind of I mentioned on our WhatsApp group last night, really, that

yeah, a 993 cabrel is definitely in there for me because I

I feel like I could use that quite a lot and actually feel it

backs up kind of what you're saying.

I can imagine using a 993 cab as much as I would a coupe, really.

What would it be in a classic these days?

So that that would that would be in there for me.

I really like the idea of that.

I like the idea of a 991 point one

cabrel, whether it's a base Carrera or C4S or anything kind of in between.

I just think that is a shed load of 911 for the cash.

A lot of tech in there as well.

What's the value difference between a coupe and a cab in the 991?

Is there as much as there was as much as there is in the air called market?

You know, when there is much, you put it between five and 10 grand

for like an apples with apples.

There's so much variance in that 991 point one market.

Fill as you'll know, because there are so many cars for sale.

But if you're looking at an apples with apples and don't forget as well,

you know, cabrel is new or around ten thousand

pound more expensive than cabrel a than coupe equivalents.

Yeah. And it's sort of still reflected

in the in the in the used market.

Obviously, it's different because by the time the classics,

there's a there's a swing around in favor of a coupé.

Yeah, I think that's a really good choice.

Actually, I could almost change my mind.

So I was actually looking at 991 cabrel for myself

because it my thinking is why get a coupé because

the roof's so good when you've got the roof closed.

It's like you're in a coupé anyway.

Yeah. And you've got the option

when the sun comes out, you can drop the roof and have some fun.

Yeah, definitely agreed.

You know, and again, side on for the 991 generation,

Porsche really worked hard to re-engineer that

that roof line and roof mechanism.

So with the roof up, it does give you that coupé look.

It's a lot more faithful rather than the kind of tent, if you like,

tent on top of a car that you see on on even up to the 997 beforehand, really.

So that is that, you know, I think I agree with you, Andy,

that if you're going to have one car, it has to be a coupé.

But for me, my viewpoint on that changes with 991.1

because the aesthetics of the roof really are that good

and that faithful to the coupé.

I'd feel like I'm just having a drop top coupé in a way.

Got you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I just Googled 991 cabrel and you're right, Lee.

I just looked at that side profile of a gray one with a black roof

and it's so cool. Yeah.

Isn't it just isn't it just it's it's wonderful.

There's I think there's a couple of options

on the num, what's marketplace of them currently?

It's obviously it's the time of year for them.

So I mean, I can see a lovely 3.8 s at Late Side Classics,

which is nine quid under 50 K.

Oh, that proven point.

Yeah, I could go and get myself a celebratory sandwich on the way home

to congratulate myself on a on a great deal there, to be honest.

But yeah, I do want to give some honorable mentions as well.

Outside of that 997 target.

And do you know what swayed by this?

And I have these kind of fleeting infatuations

and one went past us on the A12 in Essex on on Saturday.

And it just looks so elegant.

And my dad, he was in the car with me and even said,

look how lovely that 9-11 is with that sweeping chrome stripe going down the side,

which for that generation helped kind of distinguish it from the coupé.

I just thought it looked so good.

The the the roof was fully up for those that don't know

the 996 and 7 generation targets were like a retracting glass roof.

And 993 and 993 beg your pardon.

Yes, of course.

And it's yes, it's a really nice, bright and airy space in there,

especially by 997, you've got the tailgate that opens as well

for extra room behind the rear seat.

So it's super practical.

I just thought the thing was so awesome.

But Phil, you made a point off Mike about the roof

situation on them and reliability.

Yeah, I mean, I love them, too.

I think they look great.

I think the hatchback of the 9S6 and 9S7 is very practical, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah.

But they're always a bit creaky, I've found.

And they can be troublesome.

I think they do need good maintenance.

One problem is people put thick grease in them

and you want to use a fine oil in the mugs.

And it picks up grit and muck.

But when they're working, they're fantastic.

It's just got to be a little bit wary of problems.

Yeah. Well, that's a great tech tip there, to be honest,

for people either owning or looking to get into one.

But they're just, yeah, they're very different as well.

And they tend to be used sparingly and brought out for the summer months.

And I can completely understand that.

But in theory, a 997 Targa is actually a superb all-round Porsche.

I see there's one on the marketplace at the moment.

Yes, I've got one.

Paragon and I've got a Gem 1.

I think it looks sensational.

I really do.

You know, there is a real use case and argument

for being able to use those cars all year round, I think.

Yeah. I drove a 993 the other day, a Targa.

Yeah.

And yeah, just sat in that interior, so much light that comes in.

It is a lovely place to be.

Yeah. Yeah.

Quite a different experience to the Coupe.

Yeah, definitely.

So, yes, there's definitely an honourable mention for that.

And of course, you know, 981 GTS would be would be doing that.

Boxster, a disservice, if we didn't mention that.

They are just under the 50 K mark.

It's not a choice, isn't it?

I've said, yeah, yeah, this is it.

This is it. You know, I've said before the sound of a 981 GTS

is possibly the best for me outside of a GT product.

Plenty powerful enough, a really emotive driving experience

shoehorned into a brilliant platform in the 981.

Alls I would like to do is retrofit and an Apple CarPlay system.

And I'd be off and I'd only fit that.

So I'd know where I was going.

I wouldn't need any music because it'd be provided from the the noise behind.

So yeah, it's good choice.

And also you want to get a 997 GTS cabaret for that sort of money.

Couldn't you?

Oh, that's a great that's a great shout.

It is a great shout.

Yeah, that then to me becomes a question of do you go 997 GTS

on 991 C4S?

Because for me, the 981 GTS, it's just a different proposition

where it's two-seater, lighter and mid-engine and whatnot.

But I think I think I'll stick with the 991 platform.

I think it's more amenable to all around use.

Yeah, it's the same.

You can't get 991 GTS for 50 K.

Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't think I don't think it'll ever happen to be honest.

I really don't.

Which is such a shame.

They've been so strong residuals, haven't they, for so long.

So cracking. OK, then.

Well, look, let's go on to the last category, which is the all rounder.

One space on the drive, one space in your marriage for a Porsche.

Which one are you putting your 50 K down on?

Andi, what do you reckon?

I'm going extremely practical here.

Extremely practical.

You know, I like a bit of electric in the daily.

Yeah. So this is, yeah, an all around.

So practical this is.

I'm going to KN E hybrid three litre V six.

Wow, OK, that is it.

You can pick those up curveball.

I didn't realize you could pick those E hybrids up for that sort of money now.

So yeah, I think that would be the one that would do absolutely everything

you could ever want.

Do you do a lot of local journeys, Andy?

Within 15 miles, yeah.

That makes sense then for longer journeys, makes less sense.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that could be very a very useful car.

I think I thought they were very sensible.

Yeah, I'm being very sensible.

I'm sure they are something like, is it 15 or 18 miles on full electric mode?

So you just about get away with it, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, it'll get me halfway to to work and back, maybe.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What a curveball.

So I almost can't get my head around that, Andy.

Well, I can't believe it.

That is such a curveball.

So like if you had, yeah, if you had one, one Porsche,

you wouldn't have a sports car you tip in for the SUV.

Well, I guess I was thinking of this as all rounder,

as in doing being able to do anything I wanted.

And I wasn't allowed anything else.

I tell you what, doesn't that just point to the success

and practicality of the Cayenne as it did from launch

in opening the brand up to a whole new audience?

So, yeah, people like you that are going,

well, I need it to do this and I need it to do that.

It's not just for spirited Sunday drives.

It needs to do everything.

So actually, it won't be a sports car.

It'll be it'll be the Cayenne.

That's proofs in the pudding.

So I'm a spirited driver in a Cayenne, can't you?

Press the sport button and you're away.

I think the fantastic cars to fly, fly around again.

Yes, they are fantastic.

Somebody on this podcast once said that they were a 9-11 in the air,

which I think is overreacting the omelette a little bit personally.

But it's it's it's very, very, very good at what it does

and greatly improved dynamically over its sister cars

from Audi and Volkswagen.

I drove a Q5 recently.

It was the coming with the corner.

The the sporty one, the S something or other.

And I was really disappointed.

It felt so wooden.

Yeah, there's no steering feeling at all.

Where's the Cayenne or a McCann?

It drives like a proper sports car.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

They do. Absolutely.

Yeah, again, we mentioned on the podcast previously,

I had a wonderful conversation over dinner

with the director of chassis that Porsche

and his first job was the the Mark 1 Cayenne.

And he was saying about, you know, there was a whole team dedicated

to taking that car, which was shared platform

and making it drive like a Porsche.

And that's something that the company's always stuck with since.

So exactly as you say, Phil, you you jump from one into the other.

And there is definitely a superiority to how Cayenne drives.

It's interesting.

Audi drivers obviously don't want that.

And I only must have designed their car to feel the way it does.

Because that's what the market desires.

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

Yeah, that is that is an absolute bombshell, Andy, to be honest,

an absolute bombshell.

I'm quite interested to see what you guys are going to come up with.

Well, nothing like that, I don't think.

But yeah, Phil, what's your yeah, which which model are you going to go for?

Well, I think my mind can be really boring compared to Andy's curveball eyes.

And I've actually kind of shown my car a little bit here

because I was going to say 997 GTS.

Which are they are PDKs afloat around the 50 K mark.

Yeah. Are they?

Can I always thought that?

Sadly, not the manual.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm being slightly flexible with my budget here.

But no, you can.

You can. You can.

There are one or two for under 50.

Yeah, you look hard enough.

A little bit leggy.

It doesn't matter if it's a slightly higher.

What doesn't matter?

I'm Irish cars are fine if they've been looked after.

Yeah, I mean, I love the 997 GTS.

I think it's a fantastic car.

And that was going to be my one car.

I think I would go for that.

OK, I couldn't put my mountain bike in it, but I'll just borrow yours, Andy.

Deal. I'll do your swap.

So you borrow the car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is uncanny.

This is uncanny, Phil, because I would also go for the 997 GTS

as as my ultimate all rounder.

If for me, again, exactly as I said earlier, it comes down to between

that and the nine on one point one and it would be a cabriolet version.

It really would because again, by that generation,

the nine on one is more resolved and looks like a coupé with a roof up.

But just out of not going for that same

choice for this, I thought, well, 997 GTS is is such a good looking car.

I would like to own a car that is

an intrinsic part of the Porsche story.

I'd enjoy saying it was the first 911 GTS

and I'd enjoy waving the finger at nine on one owners and saying,

well, this is the last of the traditional layout

and and and everything else.

And GTS just unlocks, doesn't it?

That package just unlocks a little bit more 911 for your money, really.

So I'd probably go the same to be fair.

But as you said, you wouldn't get a manual for it.

It'd be a PDK open top and, you know, an all wheel drive.

I wouldn't mind that at all because, again, I would I would happily use it all year round.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if it was a two or four.

I think either would do and you'd also be waving your fingers.

Sport classic owners because you get the same driving experience as them.

And that they had a paid quarter of a million for this.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, well, there's only two hundred and fifty of those made,

isn't I guess would be the retort. But.

Yeah, I'd also be very envious of the sport sport classic drive

because they are fabulous cars.

Yeah, wonderful.

Aren't they really wonderful to drive a GTS is pretty much the same thing.

Right, I wonder if they'll ever do anything like that again

for a sport classic in in those sort of numbers, you know, two fifty made

is ludicrous by modern standards.

But yeah, for me, I suspect they won't.

No, no. But for me, it's the it's the additional

how should you call it like human engineered or yeah,

human engineering that goes into the sport classic that makes it superior,

aside from the very low build numbers, which contributes massively to

to the to the values.

But just like the quality of the stitching in the leather and all of,

you know, well, the the swathes of leather all over the interior anyway,

that GTS just doesn't have.

And the double bubble roof, which is I thought was astonishing on the sport

classic when I must have cost hundreds of thousands of pounds to develop.

Yeah. And no one notices it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And I assume would need some sort of TV

marking or unless that might be a vaguely remember, actually, Boris

happened to bring telling us on Nomex Radio that that might have been half

the reason for the extremely low numbers was that it didn't need type approval.

Oh, yeah. Maybe it didn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars then.

Yeah. Well, well, bodged in a bit.

Some humps. I was I was I was doubting you to.

So I've been looking for GTS is and there are a few about, aren't they at 50 K?

Yeah. Yeah.

Mostly cabs, PDKs, obviously.

But yeah, there are some of them.

Well, for example, Andy, you know, at the top of the conversation

and we were talking about 996s and you said, yeah, what's the difference

between a good and a bad one or 991s?

You said, wasn't it? Well, you know, and it was like we sound five, five grand,

you know, and between a coupe and a cab and this at the other.

But like with a 997 GTS, that is the opposite.

It's so wide because if you down the pub and someone said, you know,

I've got a 997 GTS and Phil and I could go, yes, we've also got a 997 GTS.

But ours is, you know, that aforementioned PDK,

Coupe, PDK, Cabriolet, all-wheel drive.

And then Sir Kibb, who's got his rear-wheel drive manual

non-sunroof tin top, you know, that is comfortably double the price, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

It really is. I think this shows.

Just how much variety there is out there for 50 K,

which for like a premium sports car brand like Porsche,

who also do Cayenne's handy, there is, there really is so much choice

and a lot of cars catering for different lifestyles out there.

There are. Yeah. Plenty, plenty. Yeah.

As an aside, we were chatting in the office just before this

to look at thinking about different cars and you look at a 991s

for kind of 40, 50 grand, they start out

and which is almost double the price for half decent 997,

which I thought was quite interesting

because there's plenty of 991s out there and they are great cars.

Are you getting twice the twice the car for twice the money?

It's a good question.

My my first thought on that is the 991,

it's not necessarily, well, it probably is delivering,

you know, a shed load more performance because the tweaks that were made

to the chassis were all kind of engineered with, yeah,

lap times, no burglaring, lap times in mind, you know,

like the lengthening of the wheelbase, the addition of rear axle steering,

the quickening of PDK, although that was an option at the time, feeds in.

But I think where the 991 really wins is in that usability

and it's a more convincing all-rounder than the 997 for my money.

Yeah, that's the conclusion we came to here, it's a more modern package.

Yeah, I'm not I'm not diminishing the 997 any way

because I'm a huge fan of 997s.

But I think as a daily driver,

we've got used to the slightly more modern feel of a 991.

Yeah, I agree, it tends to appeal to more people

and even those who aren't necessarily purchasing for the sports car element,

just someone that wants a 911 and can get one for 50k,

it's their one car, they'll use it for everything,

but they get to rock up to the gym in the morning in their lovely 911, you know.

It's interesting that the 997, the classic designation that Porsche have put on it,

it does feel right now when it first happened.

It was like, oh, really?

Which how long ago was that?

Was that three or four years ago?

It was two years ago that the Gen 1 was kind of rolled into the classic program.

But I don't I don't think the Gen 2 is because currently you can't get factory

Oh, yes.

Apple CarPlay upgrade for the Gen 2s, which is strange.

Yeah, but even like the Gen 2 feels like it is on the on the verge

of being a classic, feeling more classic, where 991 feels much

much more modern, doesn't it?

Yeah. Yeah.

So it's almost like, yeah, Porsche got it right.

My colleague, Ollie said when we were discussing this, he said he thinks

at the moment the 991 is kind of the cooler car.

He reckons before too long, if somebody rocks up in a 997 here,

it'll be, oh, that's the cool car.

Like, and suddenly comes up in a 993, everyone's going to have a look at it.

And he said, well, maybe the 997 is going to go the same way.

I think he could be right.

Yeah, it is the last traditional 911.

Yeah. So it's an interesting point.

We'll have to we'll have to wait and see and see what happens.

I think if the 997 can stay anywhere near

enjoy anywhere near the same universal popularity as the 991,

then history will mark it down as a fine 911 indeed.

So, yeah. OK, then.

All right. Well, shall we shall we wrap it up there?

We've had we've had some good fun with our marketplace game today.

And again, as we said, just shows what variety you can have.

You know, you might think, well, for 50 K, it's fairly.

Low down in terms of what you can spend on a Porsche.

But actually, in many ways, it almost delivers you

like the thick end of the wedge in terms of choice.

Yeah, loads of choice there.

Loads of choice, loads of choice.

Well, yeah, Phil, thanks for joining us.

Obviously, we'd encourage everybody to go and take a look at the

Philip Rabie stock, which is available on the Nummers marketplace,

but also on the Philip Rabie website as well.

Phil, you've also got a lovely little service centre down there in Bosom.

That's the one. That's the one.

So, yeah, do check the guys out there as well.

So, yeah, Phil, thanks.

People are very welcome to come and visit us here

and go and visit Bosom at the same time, have a nice cream.

Yeah, absolutely.

And just very quickly, you mentioned CarPlay.

We know what we can now do upgrades to PCM3 and PCM3.1.

So we can add CarPlay to the factory system,

which we've got an OKN here and it's brilliant.

Yeah, yeah, I think I'd seen you'd actually

you'd done a CarPlay upgrade for Sikib from the collective.

He's Panamera. That's right, yes.

Yeah, I think he's very pleased with his as well.

Great move. Great move.

Yeah, excellent stuff.

Well, yeah, thanks for letting us know on that, Phil.

And yeah, thanks as always for joining us on our much radio.

It's always such a pleasure to have you on board.

It's been great talking to you guys.

Thank you very much.

Good to see you, Phil.

What a lovely chat with Phil.

Yeah, fantastic.

Good to hear his views on on those.

I can't believe the spread of cars for 50K.

It's quite mad, isn't it?

We came up with some very diverse stuff.

I can't believe that you've gone chi-nish as your one one Porsche.

That's all rounder.

Yeah, maybe I was thinking a bit too sort of practical there.

Yeah, I might I might have to reconsider that one.

I think I think it's my interest in those e-hybrid KNs.

I thought they were way more than that.

I thought they were still sort of like silly money

because they'd only been out a few years.

But years passed so quickly that yeah,

there was one that I saw it was 2020.

Yeah. And I think that was 52K.

So yeah, seems way less than I thought they were going to be.

I thought they were more 80K.

Yeah, but I'd be quite interesting.

One of those is a daily car.

Yeah, I think it'd be very, very capable doing all sorts.

So yeah, maybe I got a little bit carried away seeing one of those for 50K.

Yeah, I need to try one.

Yeah, OK, yeah, yeah, rather than buy one.

Yeah, very good, very good.

What's what you've been up to last week?

You went to Renegade to add a DNA to make this a kit put on.

We did, yes, keep on a great venue.

Renegade Brewery, which is in Berkshire, just off just off the M4.

Yes, just off the M4.

And we had a little supper club up there.

All met up for about six o'clock and a little chat out by the cars.

And then went in for burgers and pizzas and some zero alcohol beers.

I think it was about 30 of us in all.

So it was great. Yeah, great atmosphere.

Everybody enjoyed it.

I think Sikib's actually organizing another one already.

Meg, Meg, I saw some fantastic pictures that Max put up on Instagram.

Yes, commenting the evening.

You could get a bit of a glimpse into the evening and it seemed like a good vibe.

And lots of people there smiling.

Great mixer cars as well. Great mixer cars.

There was a few airports as well.

It's good. Yeah, yeah.

I'll I'll try and put up some pictures actually on the website.

I'll do a little gallery.

Yeah, yeah, with Max's permission.

And we've got another something coming up on Tuesday, which will be tomorrow, actually.

So if you fancy it and you haven't got your name down already, give me a shout.

It's the we've got an evening with Cam manufacturer who do the 912.

They've got a full carbon bodied 912 in the UK.

It's based out of heritage.

Sorry, Bista Heritage, based out of Bista Heritage.

It's not called Bista Heritage anymore.

It's called Bista Motion, I think.

Oh, is it? The name of it?

Yeah, no, I don't think it'll be forever called Bista Heritage in my eyes.

So, yeah, we've got an evening up there in the Haggerty Drivers Club,

which is a cool little venue.

They've got a bar there.

They've got I think there's a couple of pool tables and stuff.

We're going to do a little interview with Mickey from from Cam.

We've got a food truck there.

The bar would be open and that runs from six till nine.

So, yeah, if your name's not down, but you fancy it,

give me a shout on the WhatsApp groups.

Excellent. Yep.

So another lovely evening coming up for the DNHC.

And we had a lovely day.

I alluded to it early in the podcast over in in Epping,

deepest darkest Essex at Garage Therapy, who put on a superb

detailing masterclass.

So I think there was might have been 15

between 12 and 15 people there in the end.

Again, like really lovely spread of cars,

bit of Luft, some water pumpers in there as well.

And yeah, it was just like a typical nine works vibe, really,

of nice and relaxed, but, you know, lots to learn.

And Maz and Roger at Garage Therapy did just such a good job.

There was, yeah, coffee and croissants there on arrival.

Then we picked a car randomly, which turned out, as we said to be,

Andy's new to him, none of three cabriolet.

Yeah. And Maz and Roger were demonstrating

how to wash a car properly is what we decided to do this time.

And that might sound really basic, but actually it's not.

And there was a lot of tips going around there on how to do a job

and do a job properly, because, yeah, if you're going to get out the two buckets

and all of the water and everything else, then you might as well do the job properly.

Right. And sometimes when you do the job properly, it's actually quicker

because you're more efficient.

Well, the point is that this is something that the Garage Therapy,

like the message that they've tried to instill, whether it's coming on our

podcast or when I've done some videos with them with the Irish is, you know,

if you do a really good job at like the big thing, then afterwards,

it's just about maintenance because you've already put the hard work in.

And whilst there isn't really a shortcut for putting the hard work in,

once you've done that good job, that maintenance phase thereafter

is a hell of a lot easier.

And it was just kind of pointing out, which was quite funny, actually,

you know, pointing out the right way to do things.

And as Maz was saying, you know, process triumphs product every single time.

And there was a few like funnies that had come to light from people

that were very clearly had spent the last 20 years doing something wrong

when it comes to washing their cars.

What sort of stuff came out? I love to do that.

Oh, I won't chuck anyone under the bus just yet.

I don't track anybody particular then.

But what were the what were the process?

How about washing up liquid?

Yeah, yeah, washing up liquid was definitely mentioned.

Definitely mentioned.

Yeah, but we actually said, which I think we should do

so we can include the wider DNHC is we said like we almost need

like a confession box where we could go in there

and kind of drop the biggest howler we've ever done in regards to detailing.

And then Maz and Roger can just listen to it

and like rock themselves into insanity, basically in their chairs.

But yeah, there's there's a there's a lot out there.

So maybe like if we say that to the DNHC, either to drop us a DM

in writing or a voice note, and we're happy for people to stay anonymous.

But yeah, let us know your biggest like detailing howlers

or things that you've realized since have done wrong.

I'm very happy to go like and chuck one out there

and say, I remember when I had my first car.

I was using like a kitchen scourer

to get bug splats off my headlights and side mirrors as well.

And then couldn't work out why that.

Yeah, basically lost their how clear they were, you know,

got a bit scurry.

Yeah, yeah, with these like these swirl marks that were like,

yeah, entrenched into the plastic on the on the on the side mirrors,

example, but yeah, the headlights, they were just no longer

looked clear at all.

And it's because I'd gone gone at them with the green side of a kitchen scour.

What I was doing, I don't know.

But I remember trying to clean a windscreen

and somehow I'd

picked up a tip that is using a bit of wire wall.

Well, I got no idea where I picked that up from.

But yeah, that's the similar just howler, isn't it?

Yeah, scouring pad.

Yeah, what the what the actual F was, I think in.

Yeah. Yeah, I have seen as a classic.

This is not me, but I have seen someone

and people finish the wash and then pick up the bucket.

And they're only using one bucket, which is obviously a big no, no.

And they'll they'll chuck that.

Yeah, that over the car.

And it's like you've literally just chucked half your driveway back over the car.

Yeah, that all the stuff you've washed off.

Yeah, yeah, all that grit and stone and God knows what.

I'm sure I've definitely definitely done that back in the day, you know,

when I was an 18 year old, I'm sure I've done exactly the same thing.

Yeah. So let us know if you're in the DNHC, drop us over a voice note.

Awesome written correspondence as to your biggest detailing howler

and we'll give Maz and Roger a good laugh.

And in the meantime, yeah, we'd love to say to Maz and Roger,

thank you so much for giving your time up on a sunny Sunday morning

in Essex to show us what we've been doing wrong for the last 20 years.

Plus brilliant.

We've got another event coming up in the not too distant future.

We're heading to Leeds on the 6th of September

for a.

Friday and friends in collaboration with Porsche Center Leeds.

Now, it's going to be good fun that.

Yeah. So that's there is all the info on the website.

You go to the events page.

You can get your tickets there and get yourself signed up for it.

There's free coffee from a coffee van.

And if there's enough of this, we're going to be sorting out a food van as well.

That won't be free.

That will be pay as you go.

But there will be free coffees on Porsche Leeds. Excellent.

And that is open to everybody, not just DNHCS.

So if you're too tight, but still want to come along, you're welcome.

So, yeah, get involved, get involved, definitely.

Yeah, good. Super.

All right, Andy, can I pick a Gem of the Week, please?

Oh, yes, please do.

Lovely serendipitously.

It falls within our 50 K budget.

But it kind of has on on on on on on topic.

Keep it on topic this week on topic.

But yeah, a bit of a different use case, really.

In comparison to the other kind of categories that we've discussed

to this point. But yeah, I've just been looking at a 991 Carrera S.

So narrow body.

It's the rare manual version, seven speed manual.

And it's a coupé with a duck tail on it.

So for me, that is just a tick box exercise

in what a great 911 should be.

So coupé, manual, rear wheel drive,

narrow body with a ducky.

And yeah, it's over at Steve Ball Specialist Cars.

It's up for 45 K.

It's done 66 and a half thousand miles in in 13 years,

which is nothing really.

And yeah, I just think it looks great.

It's also got the adaptive sports seats plus of the 18 way jobbies,

which I think is much needed.

Sport has a suspension, sport exhaust as well,

both surround sound, the proper steering wheel, the sport design one.

So I feel like this has been

chiseled for the driver.

I like those wheels.

Do you?

Yeah, kind of interesting sort of five spoke

with three spokes within the five spoke, if you know what I mean?

Yeah, that makes any sort of sense.

Yeah, they're the only thing on it

that I'm not completely digging, to be honest with you.

They kind of remind me of like a modern interpretation of the 997

Turbo wheel, the Gen 1, which I was never the greatest fan of.

OK, but that's kind of, yeah, it's the only it's the only thing really.

But yeah, it's often stuff for the captor,

whoever expects that to begin with, to be honest.

But yeah, that is a that's a super 9 11

and available for 45 K at Steve Ball Specialist Cars.

You can take a look at that and many more cars.

We've got 150 cars currently and the on the nine works marketplace.

Isn't it? Go and take a look at nineworks.co.uk slash Porsche marketplace.

Grand and split the love.

Super.

I'm going to my YouTube channels to find one today.

This is an interesting little project that I've come across.

I don't know how I found it.

Oh, God, I don't know where this is going to end up.

I'm keeping in this is this is in the Porsche sphere,

but it is interesting what they're doing.

So they they've managed to find a they're in Australia, these guys.

It's called Mellow Motive, that's spelled M E L O M O T I V E.

And they are building a Porsche 356 on top of a 718 Boxster.

Oh, and I think it's going to be a really interesting project because they're.

They're kind of the engineering of it and the way that they want it to look.

I think they're doing it's going to be a really nice, nicely considered project.

It's not just going to be like try and slap a body on and stretch it.

They're actually sort of shortening shortening the chassis of the 718

and getting the body on top with a decent

wheelbase so that it doesn't look out of proportion.

So I think it's going to be a really interesting project.

And I think it's only on the third episode so far,

but they've basically taken this 718 that was crash damaged,

stripped all the body panels off, cut

back as far as they can go, making sure that everything still runs,

taking off as many systems as they can, but working through it methodically.

And now they're starting to they've got this 356 body shell

and they've kind of cut up into bits that are now sort of placing back on.

So it's going to be going to be an interesting one.

Yeah, super. Sounds good.

Sounds like a really, really cool project.

Yeah, something different.

Yeah. Yeah, why not?

My spread the love this week is going to be quick fit.

So I mentioned in last week's podcast that my

rear tires were resembling the bonts of Grant Mitchell.

And yeah, they're basically

yeah, gone to Turkey and had a had a barnit put back on now

because we've been replenished with tread, actually.

No, no longer completely bold.

And yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm certain I've done this as a spread the love

previously with quick fit, but it's worth saying again.

And you know, not being paid to say any of this at this stage,

although donations welcome is is there the like the home fit service?

So if you don't want to sit down, yeah, in your local kind of

yeah, greasy smelly tire place and you want to just have the tires

changed at your convenience while you can crack on with whatever you're

doing at home, then just tick that basically when you're buying

your tires online on a quick fit website and you're choosing your date

for fitment rather than you have to put your postcode in anyway.

But yeah, rather than choosing local store,

there's literally like a box to tick for home fitment.

And yeah, lovely lad called Jack came out, fit the rear tires on Little Irish.

We had a lovely chat told us all about he's escapades

fitting the tires on all the touring cars last year, which was cool.

And yeah, just nice and nice and quick, to be honest.

And the home service thing is free as well.

By the way, it doesn't cost any extra to going to the centre.

So well worth it as far as I'm concerned.

He did also say, because I've had Michelin PS5s put on,

which is what they say is the outgoing tires.

I'd heard that four S's were hard to come by and he said they do struggle

from time to time with supply of four S's, but he said not the case

with five, so just dropping it out there for anyone that may need to know.

Good. Excellent. I'll give you an update on the collective.

First up is Sash Jossi, a rookie driver based in Milton Keynes.

He's recently bought a Guards Red 981 Cayman.

He says he's getting to know it as his first Porsche.

Really getting to know it well on the B roads of Buckinghamshire.

Did you see the car on the WhatsApp group?

Looks great. I'm just trying to think of a have.

I know I haven't because if I had, I'd have remembered that.

I think red, Sash, by the way, is one of the very best colours for a 981 Cayman.

Yeah, it works well, doesn't it?

It really does. It really suits that flowing line down to the red tail lamps.

That's a wonderful colour. Wonderful colour for that.

So congrats, Sash.

Yeah, good first Porsche.

Next up is Ethan Lee, a privateer driver.

This is son of Justin Lee, who joined up just the other week.

He's based in Oxford and he went along to the Donners and Ducktales meet with his dad

that Max put on a few weeks ago.

And that's how he became a member.

He drives a 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS in white, which looks fantastic.

So yeah, good to have both you and your dad along.

Absolutely. Yeah, welcome. Welcome, Ethan.

OK, Bruce Clayton, a privateer driver based in Milton Keynes,

currently driving a 991, sorry,

currently driving a 996.1 C4 and a McCann Estesal,

along with the very popular Fiat Panda 4.4x4s that seem to be around all over the place.

He has been a long time YouTube subscriber and is still mourning the demise of Total 9-11.

Bruce, that's most kind.

Yeah, thank you very much for joining us over on the DNHC.

Hopefully we can take your consumption of Porsche Media fully digital

by the podcast and there's a heady mix of that catalogue for you to enjoy.

But yeah, also YouTube stuff as well.

Yeah, 159 episodes before this one, would you believe?

Is it really? Wow. Yeah, yeah, plenty to be listening to.

Right, I haven't got anything else.

No, that's it, mate.

That's another lovely episode.

Always good to chat.

We've got a couple more before we take a short break for the end of the series,

but some good stuff coming up, of course.

So thanks as always for joining us on Nine Match Radio, supported by Heritage Park Centre.

See you next week, mate.

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