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Speaker 2: Hey, it is a great Saturday.

Speaker 3: I hope you guys are enjoying it where you guys are at. If you guys did not know last Saturday,

if you didn't get a chance to get out there, we were actually out at one of the car shows.

Got to see a lot of people, talk, a lot of friends, new friends, you name it. We had a

really good time. Big huge shout out to the Virginia

Chevy Devers Club for having us out there. It was

a really good time. Like I said, we are scheduled

to be at a lot of different places throughout the course of the year. I think our next actual scheduled

event is May tenth out here in Hampton Roads area.

So if you guys are having around you get anywhere close to Hampton Roads, come on over come see us.

Like I said, should be a good show, Rolling Nights car show, and we're pretty excited about being out at that.

We'll be hosting trophies, all kinds of different stuff going out there, So definitely come out and see us. But

like I said, if you guys missed us last weekend.

Speaker 2: It's your fault.

Speaker 3: I told you we were gonna be at and like I said, we're gonna be a lot more. So keep

on checking in with us. Check the schedules said. We're

gonna be everywhere. I don't know where, what state you

name it. Just keep on checking and we'll be where

we're at.

Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go and jump into this.

Speaker 3: I got some questions and some letters and some Texas and I was jumped into some forms this last week and had some conversations. One of the biggest conversations that

really kind of rumbled around this week was and I've never really thought about this as being like a open, like such a big controversy, but maybe there is superchargers turbos, and everybody's like, well, which one do you prefer? Turbo

or supercharger. I've heard you talk about both. I'm like,

depends on the bill I do. I'm like, right, And

then that's that's what's kind of my answer. I was like,

they're like, well, you know you have on the trans Am that you guys have a supercharger system, and like, and you talked about the twin turbo system that you guys have for the Chevy truck, and I was like, yeah, I do. And they're like, well, why didn't you just

stick with one or the other. Okay, So simple answer

for that is I bought the turbo system when we were building a twin turbo for the trans Am or the bad Am as you guys know it, and so I bought a seventy eight millimeter twin turbo system for it.

If you guys don't really know power numbers on that equivalent of I think of top range right around about fifteen hundred horsepower if it was all set upright. And

I think when I was a little bit younger and I started kind of putting all the pieces together to put this car back together.

Speaker 2: And now that was it wasn't a part, but to.

Speaker 3: Put it together the way I wanted it. Maybe it

was a little overkill. Maybe we're a little overzealous of

what I wanted to do. I just knew I wanted

to have a lot of horsepower. I wanted the car

to be fun to drive. I wanted people to, you know,

appreciate what we did to the car. So I had

started accumulating these parts and building stuff and their brand new stool in the box. So that being said, when

it came time to start putting the motor in the bad am, I was going to cut up too much of the car and to put in that system. Now,

when it comes to deciding turbo or supercharger, a lot of times it has to do with easy and easy out.

I guess that makes normally the turbo seems to be maybe a little bit when you're trying to figure out space and hood clearance and all the different things. I

think sometimes turbo is a little bit easier to put in other than the fact that the inner cooler and stuff like that. Because I know people are going to

disagree with me on that.

Speaker 2: I say, it's a little more complex system.

Speaker 3: Right, So so I I had purchased that, and when it came to cutting the car up, I didn't want to cut the bad aim up. So we change gears,

we changed motors, we changed you know, everything everything to make something that work better. And that's how I wind

up going with the supercharger on it. Because I can

get everything underneath the hood, I didn't have to cut the car up. I still have a good power range

of what I want it. So that's how I made

that decision. And everybody's like, Okay, well, you know with superchargers,

you know what's you know, I can make more power with turbos, so like, sure, I'm sure you can. I

can make decent number with the supercharge set up that I have. Our systems could be ready to ride at

a thousand horsepower.

Speaker 2: Do I think we're going to run that at the end.

Speaker 3: No, it's probably gonna be less because I don't I'm not racing this car. I mean, you know, it's made

to be fun and stuff like that. But the bad

am is not made to be raced. It's meant to

have a really cool car and enjoy it. Now move

forward to how to what am I doing with the turbot or how do I decide to go ahead with the turbo well for our Chevy truck. I decided, since

I already had the turbos and stuff, I would just throw that on the Chevy truck. Does that work out?

We haven't finished even begun that project yet. I told

you guys, it's kind of sitting aside because we want to finish everything else we have going. Does that turbo

system end up going in that truck?

Speaker 2: Maybe not.

Speaker 3: I think it is because I already own it. I

already paid for it's money spent, and I feel that is the best way. And everybody's like, well that you

didn't really answer a question, which one do you want?

And this was, like I said, I talk in the forums and we went kind of back and forth like which one do you really prefer? Well, as Cameras said,

I think it kind of depends on the bill to be really honest with you and what you're using, or as far as I'm concerned, turbo is a quick way, in an efficient way, to build power on small on a smaller motor. Okay, so I can take a smaller

motor and build big power numbers. It's more fuel efficient,

I believe. Like I said a lot of times far

as space wise, it's easier to kind of squeeze it in a fit and you can make as long as you get the tube nion stuff to go where you want to.

Speaker 2: It kind of fits in there. A supercharger is what

it is. It's it's there.

Speaker 3: You put it in it either it fits or it doesn't.

Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: Right, It's not like you know now everybody goes, well you got a supercharger. You can hang them off the

side and stuff like that. Okay, right, we could. We

could beat this horse.

Speaker 2: You can make anything fit right, right, just as far as perfect play. It kind of drops right in there.

Speaker 3: It sits right where it's at without doing the system like a side mount system or whatever. Yeah, it's it's

just there. Like I said, turbo, you can kind of.

I mean, I've seen so many different turbo setups. People

put them in different places and make it work. I

just think you have a little bit more versatile. Here's

my problem with seeing turbos in the trunk right. Like

I said, here's my problem truly with the turbo system.

And I'm not against turbo's obviously, I'm thinking about putting them on the truck. Like I said, that is the

intention for our Chevy. There's you got turbo lag, right,

So there's a little bit of leag. It's not direct power.

Supercharger is one uh, direct throttle response on a supercharger, and it also carries it all the way through the RPM band. Okay, Turbo is lag and then it comes

in at some point where it's its strongest, and then it usually has a fade off too, you know what I mean. So that's the difference between the two. It

just really depends on what you're looking for. Most people

are using turbos, like I said, they're using them on a smaller motor setup. And then of course you have

station sure by seeing different sizes, So this comes in earlier and this comes in later. Like I said, you

really could talk about this forever as far as the setup, don't.

I don't think I prefer one or the other to be really honou As far as I'm concerned, it depends on what I'm building. Obviously, if I was stuck on supercharge,

I'd be like, Okay, we're just gonna throw a super charger on the Chevy truck and be done with it, because I'm a super charger guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: But it depends on reliability and what your configuration is.

Why is you know, with the turbo, you can you know, tune it to what you want anytime you want, where superchargers kind of is what you know, built it as it's very hard to kind of tune it down and you know in some cases yeah, okay, so unless you're doing you know, work to it.

Speaker 2: But on the fly, it's.

Speaker 3: The efficiency as far as like a turbo, I think just is a lot more efficient. Like I said, a

few a few economy side of things is a little bit more efficient. So I was looking at like a

lot of different setups, and it seems a lot of people I talk, it's a fifty fifty. You can't You're

you're never gonna win the argument between one and the other.

I had looked a little bit and I think I can it on it with white noise. That's our nova,

possibly putting a supercharger on it at some point in time, maybe sooner than later. I talked about doing that because

I know it will fit, and I really don't want to have to move things around. I want to find

a place to put trible or something like that. I'm

here's by you know, seven eight thousand dollars supercharger system.

Just throw it on the car and be done with it.

And I know exactly where the power numbers are going to.

Speaker 4: Come out at, right, and you don't have to worry about, you know, working on it or something blow in.

Speaker 3: Well, so that's what it comes to a turbo turbo.

Speaker 2: What's the price difference though?

Speaker 3: That's like my question, what's the what's the price difference between a supercharger and a turbo SIPs? Okay, so a

decent supercharger suspends on what you consider decent.

Speaker 2: The ones I'm looking at seem to run. I mean

you could.

Speaker 3: The one I've I've looked at, maybe for for white noise, is right at about.

Speaker 2: Fifty nine hundred bucks, which.

Speaker 4: Isn't about two grand price difference about you about thousand and fifteen hundred buck difference?

Speaker 2: Yeah, So it really depends what you do. You can

go up and you can go wild, and you can go crazy with it.

Speaker 3: I just our Nova is carbureted. I kind of think

I want to go fuel injected with it. If I'm

gonna do fuel injections and fuel injection system with it, then I'm kind of like, Okay, maybe I just throw a supercharger while I'm at it.

Speaker 2: So I kind of thought about that. Is it gonna

be instant?

Speaker 3: Maybe not?

Speaker 2: Maybe? So I just I can't answer that.

Speaker 3: I really kind of want to just drive this car around and see see really what we have and enjoyed.

Speaker 2: A little bit.

Speaker 3: I've driven the car a little bit since we bought it, but I haven't really spent a whole lot of time behind the wheel of this car yet, because we purchaed it right before Christmas and it went straight to the body shop. Now, I drove it here and there, but

I didn't driving I didn't. I haven't beat on that car,

you know. I've kind of maded to the floor and

it got up and moved. I've seen the build sheet

on it. I've seen the Dino sheets on it. I

know what the car is capable of, supposedly buy all that, but at the end of the day, they don't anything about the car other than I know it's a sixty nine ss Nova that was pretty clean when we bought it, and need a paint, and I was like, okay, let's get a painted now. Instead of sitting on it, let's

go ahead and just get the car done and get the paint done. Other than like I said, I don't

have a whole lot of wheel time behind it. I

don't know how it handles.

Speaker 2: I don't know.

Speaker 3: You know, it may launch crazy or something, and there might be all kinds of stuff when you do to it.

I just know it was starting to be set up for drag racing and then got stopped and then we purchased at a good price. That's the extent that I

know for the most part. I did see it this

last week. Again, I've been checking in on it. It's

gotten a lot further. I'm kind of excited by the

way coming out. So it ought to be a really

cool car. But like I said, as far as turbo

and supercharger and stuff like that, it really is what you guys want. The turbo needs more maintenance than a

supercharger does, if that makes sense. Things wear out quicker

and stuff pends on how the turbo was made. The

extent how much you spent on a turbo and what it's made out of it has a.

Speaker 2: Lot to do with it.

Speaker 3: I mean, I just watched a video somebody sent me on the guy that's building the eBay turbo car.

Speaker 4: I'm about to say that I don't recommend getting eBay turbo, but they make eBay turbos.

Speaker 2: They're not making eBay superchargers, right.

Speaker 3: I saw, Oh, what's the other one everybody's using. Everybody's

buying TIMU. I think's got's gonna.

Speaker 2: Turbo now yeah, yeah, no, yes, sir. So you know

it's like I.

Speaker 3: Just fifteen dollars for a turbo' that's just that's crazy.

People are like you got like it's really put what you want to put into it. I think ours is

turbotronics and stars wasn't really cheap. I think it's if

I remember who's are are the and it's a seventy eight millimeter uh twin turbo set up. So I said,

if I remember cracks, who wasn't I did that at the point in time because everything I read on at the bearings and the construction and all that kind of stuff was a lot better than a lot of stuff that was out there. So I was wanting to spend

the extra money.

Speaker 2: Right at the time. But it just depends on how

much time you want to put into it. Right.

Speaker 3: But as far as turbos supercharger, as they say, turbos, we're out quicker. Can I particularly tell you that's the case. No,

I can't, because I've only had a couple of turbo cars and I never ran them to the point where they were out and had to replace anything on it.

And it's not like I had a supercharger car and a turbo car. It was built the exact same time.

I ran them exact same amount of miles and tell you which one. I can just tell you what the

data and what everybody else on forums tell me, and then make my decision from there. One thing I've learned

over the years is when it comes to car people and car guys and stuff like that, we never will agree on everything. It just doesn't happen. Everybody has their opinion.

That's what makes it great. It makes interesting. It's one

of the biggest things about car shows. It's the biggest

rub is I may find this car cool and this guy doesn't. He's like, I don't understand, well that car

go to trophy. Well, because some people thought it was cool.

You don't have to think it's cool. But some people

find that cool. It may not be your cup of tea.

And I've used this term a million times over and over again. One man's cool as another guy's.

Speaker 2: Eh. I don't think that's too cool.

Speaker 3: I told you guys many times about the guy that has the car that polishes and waxes it, and if you drove by it, you'd be like a man, that's a piece of junk.

Speaker 2: Not to him.

Speaker 3: He may have saved his whole life to build that car and it is the coolest thing to him, and that's all that matters. That's all that matters to me.

I don't care. I've told you guys, I have literally

gone to car shows and picked what you may believe is the junkiest car in the car show, and like, I think that car should get an award because of the details, the detail, the time wrenching on it, all kinds of stuff that goes into it.

Speaker 2: I've told you guys about rat rods.

Speaker 3: I have a soft spot for rat rods because if you walk around a true rat rod, somebody had to think it out and say a lot of that's customs, right, it's custom They had to think it out and build that stuff, and it's cool to them. It may be

a hunkin junk to you. You don't get the fact

that it still has russ holes in it. It's supposed to.

It's a rat rod for the most part. Who cares.

But you guys get hooked on Well, that car wasn't nothing compared to my, Yes, compared to your one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars car. I'm sure you're not

impressed by the rat rod. There's a reason why you

have one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars car and not a rat rod, because that's what you're into.

Speaker 4: And I think it bloils down to you know, built versus bought as well. You know, some people get into

that differences.

Speaker 2: Agree with you a little bit on that.

Speaker 3: What I don't agree with you is I know a lot of people who have almost on hundred thousand dollar vehicles they handbuilt themselves.

Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: We're getting very close to that ourselves with bad Am.

Speaker 2: We got a lot of money.

Speaker 4: Time you can appreciate something that's you know, then build a little more than you know.

Speaker 2: Just taking your show car down right right that you bought, right that you bought, that's different. That's I agree with you.

Speaker 3: So if you're trying to figure out rather to put a supercharger or put a turbo in your vehicle, my answer to that is real simple, to what you like.

Who cares what anybody else thinks? Do what works for you,

what fits, what's easiest. It don't matter to me. I

don't have a preference. Uh, that's the reason why we

have both.

Speaker 2: And then no, guys, let me take quick horse of break when we come back. I's more for you. Hold tight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio. You're automotive specialist.

Now back to your host Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back.

Speaker 3: So before we went commercial break, we were talking about the difference between terribo and not really doc can't see the difference. I guess it's probably worth what people's preference was.

And like I said, I got in that conversation. I

get these weird conversations. I tell you guys all the time.

So we you know, there's a lot of forums out there.

I belonged to tons of them. I just find it

interesting to see what generating out There's conversation about stuff.

And it was like I was watching people battle and argue back and forth. And then someone asked me what

I thought.

Speaker 2: There's a lot of people out there. I know we

have a radio show. There's a lot of people that don't.

Speaker 3: I don't kind of throw it out there, but the people that recognize the name connected to it know that because a lot of times I don't go underneath the radio station. I go underneath my name. And then of

course people have been listening to show for a long time, they recognize the names. And there's a bunch of people

have podcasters, people that have TV shows and stuff, and they tend to be in those rooms as well, and some of them have aliases, some don't, And you know, we don't care. We talk about anything you know, I

don't care who you are. I've discuss cars until the

cows come home because I like talking about cars. But

one of the other conversations I jumped into a complete different form this past week. It was on the technology side,

because I always kind of like to look to see what's going on withinside the market and what's coming. Would

be really honest with the reason why I really, I think have been focused on going into it is I've been curious for what happened with the smart windshield. We've

talked about it for years. It was already supposed to

be developing and in development out there because your idea, somebody the idea of many years ago, and then all of a sudden they've developed it. So I've been really

following it because twenty twenty five was supposed to be the first year that we saw it, and I haven't heard anything about it coming out.

Speaker 2: If you don't know what the smart windshield is.

Speaker 3: It's basically heads up navigation, communication, everything all built in the windshield.

Speaker 2: Everything is up there.

Speaker 3: Like I said, I think I told you guys, so if there's objects moving, it can track objects and it can tell you what it is. It's out there in

the dark in the distance, so you don't have you won't hit a deer or whatever it may be. If

there's somebody on the sidewalk and it's moving, it's tracking them moving and stuff so they don't walk out front of your car and you end a pit them. There's

a lot of stuff to go into it. And it

was really cool technology. And I just here we are

years later and it was already supposed to be out and it isn't. So I keep on just checking in too,

like is it. I checked in this week again and

they say it still coming. But there's people out there

have what they call, I guess first gen technology for smart window, but that's mostally like heads up display and stuff.

I think BMW has one, I think Ford has one, but this is way beyond that as far as the one that we saw that was demonstrated.

Speaker 2: Keep on watching.

Speaker 3: But one of the things I stumbled across while I was in the technology field to cars this week was the auto ticketing conversation again had popped up.

Speaker 2: Okay, if you don't know what that is, you haven't been affected by one, I don't know where you're at.

Speaker 3: Because I think almost everybody I know has at least got in a ticket for something auto made it by now, rather it be not coming to complete stop at a stop light before you make your right hand turn. Speeding

tickets to become real popular to automated speeding tickets. Well,

I was always worried when we started this, and you've heard me bash it, and I'll continue to bash it.

I just think it's a horrible idea. I'm one of

those people that very much think that you got to catch meeting. If you catch me doing it, well then

you know I deserve my ticket. If you didn't catch me,

I don't think a camera should be able to issue my ticket. There's a lot of different caveats to how

that plays out, right.

Speaker 2: And I was right. I'm gonna say I was right.

I was right.

Speaker 3: There is a vehicle, I guess right, the second York that followed into the conversation as I was starting to do the research. It's had like nine hundred tickets since

it's been registered, all automated tickets, parking tickets, speeding tickets.

And I'm like, oh, just this year alone, that vehicle, it says, has paid over forty six thousand dollars in fines on that.

Speaker 2: Way one vehicle, so basically worth of the vehicle.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker 2: So Nathania was right, it's a money grab, which exactly what we knew. Nathania was like, this is gonna be

a money grab. This was years ago when we were

talking about it, and it is. I did some small.

Speaker 3: Research, right, just looking at different routes, in certain routes in certain cities. I could drive, let's say, from my

house to a Walmart if I lived in the certain cities that we were looking up, and I could accumulate twelve tickets just in a drive to Walmart. Between the

speed traps, the stoplight cameras, you'd go through twelve different traps.

If you were going say seven miles an hour with this speed limit, and you didn't come to a complete When I say don't come to complete stop, a lot of us tend to you. You can watch it over

and O give me I don't do that. I'd like

tell you I don't do it. But the reality of

it is, if you come to a right hand turn and the light is red, you pull up and you just kind of coast and you kind of look, and as soon as you really it's clear, you go. You

didn't come to a complete stop. That's a ticket boom.

Can we take a picture of you? I brought up

to one hundred dollars I think for that ticket. So

think about the fact that you went, like me that lives in the country to Walmart. We had to drive

a little ways and I went through twelve different ticket station where you make turns or it's a speed trap one or whatever it is. Had twelve hundred dollars ride

to Walmart. You know what I mean if he got

crazy all of them right, It's just it's ridiculous. And

then on top of that, we've had the conversation before about now the new speed limitters that they're.

Speaker 2: Put in vehicles.

Speaker 3: Think about I think Washington State's now another one that just went. I said that they're doing where they want to.

Speaker 2: I was surprised.

Speaker 3: The speed limit or your view where you can only go a certain amount of speed in your car. That

to me, once again is what we talked about. The overreach, right,

I just now I can tell you already guys. If

you don't think it's it's true, you just wait. Somebody

is gonna develop something that overrides that. I don't care

if you automatically put in cars like the talk every car's gonna We're gonna put them every single car right now, it's the we're gonna put them in for people who are habitual speeders. The original plan for that, and we

saw it like three or four years ago. That was

not the plan for it. They wanted to put them

into all the different cars because cars are gonna have connectivity and you're gonna come into city centers and they're gonna be regulate your speed in city centers and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: So don't let it fool you think New York was the atender for that.

Speaker 3: It's a bunch of cities, you know, I mean, so it's it's all a whitewash of let me just tell you what I the reason why we're doing it.

Speaker 2: But no, there isn't. There's an agenda, right, there's an agenda.

Speaker 3: Here in the fact this car's got nine hundred tickets tells you there's definitely an agenda that is.

Speaker 2: I mean, think about it.

Speaker 3: If every single car out on the road generates two tickets a year, and each ticket is one hundred dollars, that's huge money grab for these cities.

Speaker 2: It's insane and.

Speaker 3: There's lawsuits left and right fighting these automatic camera systems to give tickets, and so far as some of one, people are like, nope, we're not. You know, they lost

the city, can't use it, and they'll they'll peel it, and you know then they'll go and try to get it again, and you know, it's just a matter of time.

But I'm telling you, just like people have developed everything, if you can develop a little box that allows you to break into somebody's car and drive away with it, something's going to develop. A box it turns off that

speed limit or inside your car is just what it's going to be. It's GPS based, you know, just trick

the system and say I'm not in this city's I'm on. Absolutely,

it's just like I said, it's it's there's going to be a system for it. Just look, people be responsible adults,

and let them be responsible adults and stop trying to regulate every single thing when it comes to cars.

Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about.

Speaker 3: When we're off on commercial break, exhaust tones and stuff, and these tickets that are be given for you know, for your exhaust, a loud exhaust. But yet you know,

the controversy goes back and forth between Harley Davis's a really loud right, we're not pulling those over left and right.

They're louder than sports cars because you know, cars, whatever it may be. And I'm like, but we personally have

been pulled over for exhaust noise. So with that being

the case, it's like, and then it falls into that great category. You have to prove that I altered my exhaust,

So just put the car down low enough that you can't see it and you can't prove it.

Speaker 2: I mean, they don't smile to me because his car, his car.

Speaker 4: I want to start getting to that point where they're just going to tow it away so they can prove it at the at the you know, John get.

Speaker 3: Into lawsuits with that really, because uh, it's your burden of proof to find me guilty of something before you could tow my car away. Like, so I've been I

think I told you guys, I've gone to car meets where the police showed up and just had people start popping their hoods. They're looking for stolen parts, all kinds

of stuff, And I get it, and I'm not against Look if you stole something and it's on your car and stuff, man, you deserve everything that's coming to you.

But the point that you can get to me to pop my hood is where the gray area is for me.

I feel like you are at one hundred percent just violating my rights to make me let you do it in in promptu search of my car just seems were that were when they camp outside the meets and they wait for them to leave and then pull you over, which I think is just kind of you know, and then it's I'm gonna hold you there and do a complete rundown and to look everything on your car.

Speaker 2: That to me, I'm sorry, it's an overreach. It's just you.

You're just looking for reasons.

Speaker 3: I just got an article that somebody had sent me, and it was about people having all their cars towed right.

They were spectators, but they weren't spectators. It started off

as a car meet, okay, where everybody just kind of gets togther. These these pop up car meets. You guys

know you've been to them. If you don't go to them, good,

that's not your thing.

Speaker 2: Whatever.

Speaker 3: I've been to a bunch over the years, some of are great. When things start to get wild, I go home.

But think if you're meat and things start to get wild, and I decided to go home with the right thing.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 3: And also they're like, well, you're part of the problem.

Speaker 2: How do you know did you.

Speaker 3: Catch me doing anything illegal?

Speaker 2: Officer? Well, no, but you're here at ten right. I

was sitting in a parking lot checking out cool cars.

Speaker 3: It started to get crazy, and I decided to carry my butt home because I'm just not about the nonsense.

Speaker 4: Well, and I don't agree with when they pull you over and they start really, you know, ticking you for everything, and like you said, they really a laundry list of, you know, just what's wrong with your car where they don't.

Speaker 2: Approve it over reach.

Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, you were just trying to find a reason to start giving me a bunch of tickets.

They're like, well, if your car was.

Speaker 2: Legal, you wouldn't have to worry about it.

Speaker 3: Well, if you weren't being silly and just looking for something to stretch out and get me on, you wouldn't be run in my car. And at what point in

time can I go, No, you're not crawling all over my car because you don't have me committing a crime for it to go to that point. I was driving,

proved that I was doing anything wrong. And when I

say that, I'm not trying to be difficult. Guys, just

to you understanding, I'm not telling you to ever be difficult with the police. That's not what this is about.

It's just about the overreach that bothers me. Like I said,

I've been to many late night car meets where everything was calm and then things started to get crazy, and I'm like, yes, time for me to go home a number one. Most of the time, my car costs more

than the idiots that are doing stupid stuff out there, So I'm not trying to be a part of that life.

Because you know you can afford to I guess to have your I make car payment, car that Mommy helped me get, or whatever it may be. Insert your insult here.

You guys can think of all your own Apparently you can afford to get Toad and figure out how to get it out in pound a lot and stuff like that.

I'm not trying to have my car. I spend a

whole lot of money building Toad for doing nothing other than the fact that you started acting like an idiot, and I decided to go ahead and get out of there, and now I'm being pulled over because they think I'm part of the corruption, and everybody says, well, just stay put.

Doesn't work that way, Try that too. Then they start

coming through a lot days and you all kinds of stuff.

So it is one of those things where I think we need to get back to the basics and just people be held responsible for the things they're doing and stop trying to instill all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back.

Speaker 3: So in the last segment we were actually talking about out like the overreach. Right, here's another thing that falls

in that category. It's something else was talked about this

week when I was bounced around in the form. So

we've talked in the past about the connectivity of cars. Okay,

and I okay, you guys know, I like technology. But

there's pros and cons of technology. So the technology on

the connectivity of cars I believe will help in a lot of different ways. My worry has always been once

my car is connected, then what so? And I've talked

about this in many different episodes of the shows throughout the years because my worry was there and it was a genuine worry as far as when cars start talking to cars and cars start talking to buildings, and if you haven't been following along how that works.

Speaker 2: You basically have receivers.

Speaker 3: Inside buildings and when your car drives, it can play commercials on your screen inside your vehicle, different things like that, and I know exactly how that's going to play out, but a lot of different layouts for that. I told

you guys about commercials playing on windows. So with smart

technology being put into windshields, smart technology also be put into glass where if your car was parked, it could play commercials on the window. Why the car was parking

a parking billboard. So it's a bill right, it's a billboard.

I think about as you walk through the parking lot and you're headed to say Target or at Walmart, whatever it is. Every car has got a billboard on the windows.

Because it has that technology and you know, it seems very futuristic, but this is real technology people are exploring, so and that all comes together by through connectivity. With

that being said, the more computers that we add to cars, it is gain and in retaining more personal information about you.

And everybody goes, oh, well, I'm not too worried about that.

That's probably never going to happen and stuff like that.

But no, it is because the computer is on board and it is logging things. You know, there's a lot

of cars that are out there now they have the black box on it and just like an airplane has, and it's recording information. That way, when there's a big crash,

they can find out exactly what went down if there's no survivors or whatever. It may be, insurance reasons, you

name it inserted here, that information is being loged. Okay, well,

now it starts to show habits where you shop, where you go regularly, the roads that you take. Are you

an habitual speeder? And everybody goes, well.

Speaker 2: Who cares? You should? You should care?

Speaker 3: The reason why is because it just came up as a court case or potential court case. I should say,

where auto manufacturers are logging all this data on you, and now they want the rights to be able to sell it. Who are even and they're like, well, I

don't care who they're going to sell it to.

Speaker 2: Everybody.

Speaker 3: You don't want them to sell it to, first of all, Number one being insurance companies. If you are an habitual speeder,

and why I mean a habitual speeder, it doesn't have to be much guys, speeding almost fifty five. How many

of you guys actually drive fifty five? I'm to say

ninety five percent of you probably don't. That's still speeding,

rather you look at it or not. And I'm not

saying I don't because I do. I mean, if this

speed almost fifty five, I'm not going fifty five, guys, Let's be honest.

Speaker 2: We're not going fifty five miles and you can always go five over five.

Speaker 3: Were still speeding though, I know, so it's speeding. So

where's the threshold for that?

Speaker 6: Right?

Speaker 3: That information if you start reporting that to the insurance company allows them to, you know, crank up your rates because they now have data on you showing that you don't do X, Y or Z that you're supposed to be doing. You don't come to complete stops, that stop signs,

whatever it may be that is compiled information about you.

It shows your driving habits, what roads that you go down, what speed limit you tend to go on certain roads, is it over the speed on all that stuff. The

information comes in handy for a lot of different things.

I told you guys that I had worked for a company years ago and they were storing data way back then and a lot of it on you.

Speaker 2: And they were don't it's worth money, The.

Speaker 3: Data is worth money. I don't think they had. It

was still very early, and I don't think they really thought about exactly how much of that they were going to use and the money value later on.

Speaker 2: But at some point they did.

Speaker 3: Because there's sheets and you can buy them nowadays that are out in the market and has all the information about about you. And then it depends on who has

it and what information they want to peel away from that for what they want to try to sell you.

And people pay big money for that information. So for

you to think that if your car is logging data on you, and think about it. So a lot of

cars have camera systems, and now a lot of cars have where you talk to the car like my truck.

You know, I tell it play this radio station like that.

If it's logging all of that, that's all information.

Speaker 2: Is it an overreach? If the car is log of information,

are they allowed to sell it? Do you agree? Yes? No,

you think they should be able to sell it. I

think it's.

Speaker 4: A pretty you know, gray line in terms of you know, I think you know, if you are still the data that the consumer should have, you know, get a piece of that. And you said that you know, that's never

gonna happen, which which is true. It's never really gonna happen.

Speaker 3: I tell you why it's not going to happen. So

here's here's the problem with that. Everything is it's not

really a gray area. It's very cut and dry as

far as the law is concerned. And I'm sure it

will apply to cars as well. So you guys know

that in a previous life, I always say it that way that I was an investigator and I did a lot of cases and stuff, and the fight always came where, well, you know, you have this information on me, and you obtained it illegally, and then we'd always have to go, well, no we didn't. Because anything that can be seen in

the human eye out in public is anybody could have said, I did right?

Speaker 2: Free domain? Right, it's free domain.

Speaker 3: I grab that information, and everybody goes, well, he you know, he filmed me while I was in my house. And

I'm like, well, you're right, we did. But anybody who

was walking down the sidewalk could have seen right inside your house, so therefore it was free domain. And I

know there's people go, well, I looked up the wall, and this isn't time and time again. Uh, there's president right,

people push that issue, and I'm like, well, if I was standing out sidewalk walking my dog, I could have seen the same thing as I walked by your house. Therefore,

if a camera caught it is no different than the eye catching it. Uh, it's then it's what am I

using it for?

Speaker 4: Though?

Speaker 2: What did I catch?

Speaker 4: There's person constant each you know, scenario wise. You know,

I think you know, like when they're tracking and they you know, you see traffic patterns and you know they wanted to you know, make it, you know, easy light up traffic, so you know they may they widen you know, the streets, which is a.

Speaker 2: Great thing to use traffic light. We talked about this, right, but.

Speaker 4: You know another hand, well, you know, like you said, people are speeding, Well, then they're gonna start throwing more traffic cameras up just to kind of catch your cameras.

Speaker 2: So it goes, it goes both ways.

Speaker 4: Really, I think there should be, you know, a cut dry line of what they can and can't take from you.

Speaker 2: So do you believe it's public information or not public information?

I think it m I mean it's public.

Speaker 4: It's public information to a certain degree because at the end of the day, you know, it's always always being taken.

I don't know it's it's it's it's.

Speaker 2: Great because you know, you know, it's take the law.

It's not great. It is very correct.

Speaker 4: But some of it is personal to a certain degree, as you know what streets you take or you know, you know what your speed that.

Speaker 3: Is honor will be personal information that will one hundred percent be information that is privy to you. It's it's

not privy to you anymore. It's gonna be shared with everybody,

right And that's just and that's I think that's where my problem is is once again, I always see the bad you know a lot of this stuff because I can see where that can be used in a really bad light. I mean, if we can hack anything on

hack the car, now I know which route you take all, you know, Like that's just I think that's information, and anybody goes, well, anybody could have teled you.

Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I know because I did.

Speaker 3: It kind of one of the things I used to do.

But it goes there, you know, and people putting like but.

Speaker 4: Without the data you wanted to know. So I think

that's where it kind of like the line gets drawn.

It is like some information you want to know unless you were tracking that data, right, which is kind of you know now you PERI right, right, Well that's what I'm saying. It's kind of like a gray line in

some degrees because you know, some information isn't easily obtainable.

Speaker 3: I think for me is yes, the information can be obtained in many different ways without connectivity in public domain in space. But so now the fight is is the

people and this is how the court casers. Well what

if they're still tracking information on me and it's not public land, then it runs into that what you call the gray area. Right, it is black and white. If

I was on my own property, but you know, driving around I wasn't on a private road. You know, I

wasn't on a public where I was on a private road, and it's still documenting what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: Well, then it's invasion of private right.

Speaker 4: Well that's where that's where some cases, you know, kind of go with it. Is you know, if you're tracking

me all the time, well then you're tracking you know, sensitive data and public data.

Speaker 3: Well here's the thing you can't and you can't divide that we talked about. The new computer system is recording

you inside your car, so it listens to you talk and it's using that information so it knows what to sell you or you know later on. And I thought

that is invasion of privacy as far as I want to say that, it's complete invasion of privacy. But they're like,

well it's not because you you you signed up for.

Speaker 2: It right and in a little contract. So let me

take you back.

Speaker 3: If you guys think that this is hogidi bogade and way down the line, it's not. And let me let

me remind you that we've all had car data systems in our car forever. If you guys don't remember signing

up when you guys bought a car for all the different services where you push the button, non start all that kind of stuff that was already recording. How do

you think they knew where you were at and how to sell the police stuff? So it goes way back.

It's just like I said, I don't think they really knew what they were gonna do with that information at that point in time. But now people are going, this

is valuable, we can use this, we can make money.

This's a whole nother general you know, of money that we can make for ourselves by having this information. And

then what do we do to it? Who wants it? Well,

a lot of people want it, So I don't know.

You guys, tell me what you think. I just it's

funny how I can't be the only people who for person people that foresees the problems before we get there, and now here we are, and I'm like, I told you, I told you this was going to be the issue, and I knew people are going to want to fight back. Uh,

And that's what it's coming down to. So I think

you're going to see a lot of law, legislation, a lot of court cases that come down on this, because where do you draw the line when is it public?

When is it private? When is an overreach and when

does it come to the point where we had to step in and go Okay, you know reality is here.

Speaker 2: This is what it is.

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back to your host, Dave Palach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back.

Speaker 3: So in this last segment, of course, we've been talking about a little bit of everything. It looks it seems

like today one of the last topics that got sent my way and then Nathaniel and I were talking about It's kind of funny came up a conversation because he was asking about it. So we've been talking about connectivity and

we talk about it. So, I mean, it kind of

falls right into smart technology, right. I have forever said

that I believe that self driving cars and all that kind of stuff will progress once law progresses. And the

biggest pro problem we've had, really be honest with you, is the legislative side of where you at. I think

that's the reason why we haven't had full autonomous yet on a open scale. Now we see that we know

it's there, it's been there for a while, a lot of it has been turned off, but now what is it here? Now in twenty twenty five, people are going

to start unleashing uh.

Speaker 2: More of it.

Speaker 3: So I guess the new thing is going to be cars can go what was it thirty seven up to thirty seven miles an hour with hands free mode y Atlanta.

Speaker 4: This is basically showcase their program that allows hands off.

You don't have to look up to thirty seven. And

then eventually they'll progress it too, I believe, like fifty Yeah.

Speaker 3: I saw, I looked up something as so highway speeds.

I saw I saw fifty nine, which would be highway speeds.

So the issue still is going to be in play, guys, is going to be when something happens, where is the culpability.

Speaker 2: I guess of it all, you know.

Speaker 3: I mean, because you know, we hear about all the times like I say it, and I know that this is going to ruffle feather, especially with what's going on right this second in the news. But everybody wants to blame,

you know, every time Tesla has an accident, it's got to be the car. It can ever be the fact

that somebody was doing something they weren't supposed to or whatever.

I'm a little bit more open minded, you guys know.

I've been a fan of like I said a thousand times, I told you guys, a Tesla, and because of the technology side of it, I think it's a great thing.

And I see that technology expanding far out now. I

think as time's gone on a lot of people's technology.

They've had Everybody says, oh.

Speaker 2: Well, technology is finally starting to catch up, and I go, nope, we've had it.

Speaker 3: A lot of people wanted to really see what was going to happen and how it was going to be accepted for They admit it, they've been working on the same thing.

Speaker 2: Just what it's been. Now.

Speaker 3: People are going, okay, because I told you guys about GM.

GM had a level five level long time ago. Basically,

it's just they know how to make it all work.

Speaker 4: Well, I think it's good that there's you know, slow rolling it. Therefore we're not so necessarily guinea pigs.

Speaker 3: I can tell you what the big change is and if you guys follow it. And I know a lot

of you guys don't like the technology side of this show.

Sometimes we talk about it, but it's important for you guys to understand because even cars that you buy, if you don't even want that, is going to have a lot of this technology into it any way, rather you're using it for that purpose. The advance and light are

I think, is really where our big leap is going to is going to go because that has advanced so much from what it was to what it is now.

That gives technology to be able to have more of a self driving features. And like I said, I've told

you guys a bunch. I'm for self driving for personal

gains on my own. I just like the fact that

if I put the car on self driving, I could.

Speaker 2: I don't know. I know people are gonna say.

Speaker 3: It's great, but just take a nap and the car takes me where I need to go, especially if I'm going on a long trip. That's what I look forward

to it. And everybody's like, well, just take the train.

I'm like, eh, it's not the same thing. We were

just talking about that at the end of the day.

Literally we're just have that.

Speaker 2: Car station the other day.

Speaker 3: But everybody's like, you know, you can fly whatever.

Speaker 2: So like that.

Speaker 3: Sometimes I may want to drive four hours, but I's tired and maybe I need to, you know, take a little napping nap, but I don't want to pull over.

And if I can set the car to drive for a couple hours while I took a nap and then jump right back into it and go, I don't know, that intrigues me. It may not intrigue you, but it

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it doesn't, you're crazy. Because I have these conversations with

people in the forums they're in the technology side of car forms that I participate in that have so many different views on it and the way that they look at it.

Speaker 2: It is an exciting new world.

Speaker 3: I think that there's I've told you guys before, I think there's gonna be a big jump of technology in the next ten years. The ten year jump is going

to be huge, not just in cars but in everything.

Right because our open data space and so like that continues.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Nathaniel follows a lot of stuff when I told you guys when it comes to crypto and stuff like that, and even he'll tell you that the building upon platforms is where all that advances.

Speaker 2: Where one domino tholl is another one props up right, it is.

Speaker 3: It's very very important for us to be able to build upon something, but you have to have something stable enough to build upon. And I think we're finally getting

to that point that we have enough structure to build upon where we're going to watch technologies just go gangbusters.

And I could I could point out a lot of things that have nothing to do with cars where I've seen huge leaps in just the last three years. But

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within the automotive industry, and technology is going to change on every platform that way. I mean, just look where

we're at our in cell phones in ten.

Speaker 4: Years, right, you know, just like GM, you know they're incorporating in video products to basically improve on their manufacturing and you know, make cars push out quicker and you know, just a symble them nicely.

Speaker 3: It's funny because you know, somebody hit me with it.

I thought it was funny because I just don't get into political stuff. It's just not really my thing. But

everybody's like, well, we're never going to advance out with all these tariffs, and I'm just like, come on now, like we're.

Speaker 2: Well, it'll be slower.

Speaker 4: But here's that's where you know, underdogs come to play where you know someone's going to find a cheaper and easier way to make things.

Speaker 2: And that's when you're change.

Speaker 3: If you really believe that we're that dumb that without other countries we can't develop things in our own country because you think the smarts aren't there, then I feel sad for you, I really do, because we we things take approach. We just took the user approach, not that

we couldn't develop things or didn't have the knowledge to be able to do so. I mean, and heaven forbid

the thought of reverse engineering anything. I mean, that's pretty

much how a lot of things get developed anyway, and we find a way to better it. But I just

find it funny that everybody thinks that now everything's coming to an end, it's going to come our whole right right exactly, So it's not we're advancing in technology.

Speaker 2: I highly suggest if you.

Speaker 3: Are gray in that area and not really knowing, take yourself to any of the advanced car shows and take a look at what's going on. Take yourself to the

consumer electronic show and see the technologies that keeps on advancing.

Even tools, man, I mean, like just tools and working on things. The advances in that in the last five

years is crazy. I mean, I'm a tool guy, you

guys know. I like tools like to I own more

tools than probably one man who's not using them for a career or should own. And I constantly buy stock.

I just bought something the other day because I was like, you know what, I have those, but this makes it more convenient, and I end up buying it, throwing on top of the work bench just to have it. So,

like I said, it's just as things advance, you're going to see a lot of technology advanced. You're going to

see I very much believe that self driving cars are a way of the future.

Speaker 2: But I with that, I'm.

Speaker 3: Gonna put a little space in that and say, I don't think that the whole future, not the whole future.

And flight technology is going to take off crazy in the next ten years, so you're going to really see that go nuts.

Speaker 2: I don't think.

Speaker 3: I really don't believe that people are putting as much money into securing the rights of things for flying cars and stuff if they really don't believe that there is a path somewhere in that. On some aspect, I will

back up and say that Nathaniel and I are in complete agreement that I think a lot of the self driving features in a car are going to come in handy, especially on the EV side of as far as everything being electric when it comes to delivery or Pasterner transport and all that kind of stuff. That's really where I

think where the money is, and that I really don't think all the money is in personal I think it's gonna be more on.

Speaker 2: Using it in the supply chain, easier, more consuming.

Speaker 3: I think that's where the real money is on that time will Sell. I've been wrong, can be wrong again,

but I think really that's that's where we are on that and I'm gonna to continue to watch it. Like

I said, we talk a lot a lot of different stuff on this show. Technology is not always my biggest

topic I like to talk about, but when there's stuff going on inside it and you guys hit me with the questions on it, I think it's important to cover and talk about it. Do you guys have something that

you want covered on the show? You guys know how

to hit us up, Dave at Let's talk cars are right.

You can send me your guys' idea topic or some of you guys want to talk about, send over to me.

We'll look it up at something interesting, we'll talk about it.

And that note, guys, man, once again, this show has gone by really really fast.

Speaker 2: I don't know why it does.

Speaker 3: It seems like every week it just flies right on by market calendars. Like I said, as I told you

guys at the top of the show, there's a lot of different stuff going on. We're gonna be a lot

different places. If you guys want to hook up with us,

hang out, come see us whatever, be judged a car.

Speaker 2: Show or something like that. Let us know.

Speaker 3: There's a lot of different shows out there, and we're going to be everywhere. I'm gonna try to get as

much stuff as we can. The guys and I love

getting out and going to stuff. It's just impossible be

everywhere at once. I get a lot of different requests

for us to show up to things, and sometimes I have to disappoint it just the way it works out.

Speaker 2: But keep track. We'll keep on letting you guys know

what we're headed to.

Speaker 3: Like I said, I think the next event that I know I'm penciled into it is gonna be May tenth, rolling with the Knights in the ham Roads area. So

if you're North Carolina and the visiting states, Maryland, whatever, and you guys want to drive on over, come, hang us out, bring your hot rod, just bring yourself, it don't matter.

Speaker 2: Come out and check out that show.

Speaker 3: A pretty good show usually has a pretty good turnout, especially for a local show.

Speaker 2: They do quite well. So check that out.

Speaker 3: You guys, got anything before we go ahead and start wrapping this up anything, I forgot everything.

Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as you guys know, it is Saturday. Sunday

is right around the corner. I tell you guys all

the time, one hundred percent. Make sure that you guys unplug,

turn off the TV, play some board games with your with your kids, fire up the grill, whatever it takes.

Hide those cell phones in the cushions.

Speaker 2: They'll remember it.

Speaker 3: I know my kids do, and I know they appreciate the fact that we still engage in that. We're gonna

wait and get out of here. That's the end of

the show. We'll talk to you guys next week. Talk

to you soon.

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