C.R.E.A.M. #55 - Selling Parts, Bond's Mirrors, And Do You Legally Need Rear View Mirrors?

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Hello, and welcome back to the Cars Rule,

everything around me podcast,

number 55 with myself, Edwin,

Wil to my left, and Ben Jamin.

Hello.

Over there, at the beginning of every Cars Rule,

everything around me podcast,

we answer the question to cause rule everything

or ruin everything around us this week.

William.

Yeah, I've got no reason to ruin, really.

Gallardo is with Topaz at the moment, having PPF,

picking it up on Wednesday.

I mean, it should go off for a clutch almost immediately.

And for your other bits,

C-L500 is just Japan, the simplest one.

Still in silence?

Still in silence.

Amplifiers should come back this week, I'm hoping.

And a forgotten car,

at least I forgot I had it,

is the Megane to come back this weekend, I'm hoping.

Chasing up Beanie Sport.

There's been a few things,

that car has had basically an entirely new brake system,

so it should be very, very good now.

And they think they found, what was the issue?

I think it was an ABS pump, basically.

A crack in it.

So, yeah, they're a crack or something was damaged inside it

so it was drawing in air,

or letting out air or something.

Because it wasn't leaking fluid,

but it was impossible to bleed.

Impossible to bleed.

So, as soon as you go on track,

you just get a long ass pedal.

So, I need to look at some track days.

I need to do the same.

And yeah, that's it, really.

Benjamin.

Ruin.

Oh, why is that, man?

Yeah, that's a fun one.

A couple of reasons this week.

The first reason is that I have not got my S2000 back yet.

Still haven't taken it home.

We filmed in the video that went out,

so you last Monday.

I mean, Monday is a mistake.

And yeah, we were drawing this evolution

that works in the video to the outro.

I dropped it down there.

Can you align it?

They went, yeah.

Easy, mate. Quick alignment.

Got a call next day saying,

hi, we've spent all day on this,

and it won't align.

And I went, oh, that's interesting.

It went, your bolts are crusty

and your bushes are mashed.

And I went, okay, can you fix that?

And they said, yes, we will fix that for you.

So, they were very good.

That sounds like when, if you're trying to describe,

that sounds like what a non-car person is

when you try to describe the Caddox to it.

Mate, your bolts are mashed

and your bushings are crusty.

That's it, mate.

They're gone.

And that's what's happened.

So, you need a new engine.

I hope not.

But I have to.

Your scrambulator is absolutely backwards.

Your flux capacitor is...

Flammuxed.

So, yeah, the evolution of all works have the car.

They are believed today.

It's more Wednesday, maybe some point doing...

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

Well, they said at the beginning of this week,

they're going to be doing that,

which is very good of them.

And yeah, then I will have that car, hopefully.

Because you still haven't actually driven it.

No.

I drove it in the outro,

but that was like trying to pilot a ship in rough waters.

Yeah, that was my eyeball alignment.

And by God, was it an eyeball that was blind?

If you go and watch the video

and you watch me do that poll at the very end of it,

you can see me and Will are talking.

I'm driving a straight line like in a Hollywood movie,

just with my...

Just like with both arms going left and right.

Now, I don't know if you've seen it,

but Will and I are watching through the edit.

It's right at the end when Will is doing the thank you.

You literally get veered into the left

and you can watch your mouth.

I can't say it.

But you go, ow.

Yeah, you can see it on camera.

You go, oh.

Yeah, it was quite tough.

But yeah, I haven't driven it properly.

I look forward to that.

I was kind of this point,

because I wanted it back last week,

so I could get home for the weekend.

And we had some really quite nice weather on the weekend

of just crispy, autumnal driving.

No more good days.

No more sunny, nice days.

Yeah, it's a fun one, isn't it?

That's an inside joke Ben told us in around about August,

that there'll be no more sunny days.

No, it was in September.

I was in the car going to lunch and I said,

this is the last hot day,

because it was last 27 degrees.

For some reason, these two,

in fact, are there as months ago.

But then you said, yeah, it's the last nice day.

Didn't say nice.

I said hot.

No, but then as it's got longer on, you've gone,

no, actually what I said was,

it's actually the last day over 25 degrees

with this sort of sun and this sort of cloud coverage.

It's become so specific.

Thumbs of conditions do apply.

So there's a lot.

Let's let everyone know if we ever put out a job listing,

do not apply to work here.

Because no matter what you say,

you could have a passing comment about the weather

and two months later, you'll be in bullying on the forecast.

If it's one of our job positions,

take it because you can bully Ben.

It's great.

No more nice days though.

They're nice.

Okay, so it was nice.

Anyway, I was, I wanted,

so hopefully this week I'll get it back for the weekend.

I'm looking forward to it.

My second.

Lovely big old drive.

Hopefully, yeah.

And my second ruin is I did to cast off on the weekend.

Yeah, you refused to tell us what happened.

So my mate Sam, he has a Honda Integra.

Piper, a DC2, very nice one.

And we're like, let's fit some BCs to it.

So he bought some BCs, went to his house,

all going well.

We did the fronts.

On the driveway?

On jacks, done on the driveway.

Clean, good work.

On the wet.

It was, it was tough work, but it was satisfying.

Fronts went in quite easily.

The rears.

I went, oh yeah, I'll just loosen.

I'll loosen.

There's one bolt that goes into the bottom of the shock.

I was like, I'll loosen that, not a problem.

Went to loosen it.

Just immediately, he's got the head of the bolt gone.

Just shear off.

And I was like, okay.

He snapped the bolt.

Did you use a power tool?

No, I was hand tools.

Hand tools and the bolt sheared.

Fully.

Like the head of the bolt gone.

And I was like, oh no, I lost this in my car.

I said no.

I think it was very cool about it.

Because to be fair, if it would have sheared

no matter what you did to it.

Yeah, if it's your doing with hand height.

So then we were like, okay.

Well, issue number one is that the bolt is stuck in the car.

Issue number two is that we don't have another bolt for this.

So we can't put the course in.

We were like, let's walk and get a bolt.

Sad, Honda dealership, which is about 40 minutes from me,

is was open online, parts department open,

cool, throw it down there for a few minutes,

get there, walked in, a man goes, hello.

Yeah, we're shut.

Okay, nice.

Nice.

So we went all the way back.

I was like, okay, let's just get the bolt out.

We can then just, we can get the coils in,

just leave the bolt out at the bottom

and leave it on jack stands for the week until we get a bolt.

And then just chuck that through and it's done.

And the bolt, that but I've never seen a bolt.

So it's deceased in my life.

So it took us, we tried to hit it out.

It wouldn't, because there's a nut on the event.

So you should have just bashed it out.

But no, it wasn't that.

So we had to, we had to heat the ever living

insert word here out of the nut.

Finally got a nut off after,

I'm talking like an hour after I get it off.

And then just the middle of the boat was just still

steep seas there.

So then we had to go and get a reciprocating saw

and go in between where it's like the, it's in the arm.

Let's go in there and cut the bolt on each side.

Still stuck in there.

And it was, it was, I think what happened was the bush inside

the OEM strut had it collapsed and it seized against it.

This is a tough one.

Do you know what that is?

Say, that's a, what do you call it?

A, not team building.

A, what do you call that?

Where it builds your, I can't think of the word.

I don't know what the word is.

It's like team building, but with friends.

No, yeah.

Where it's like, it is, it is, you are, you are forming core

car person memories.

It's car law.

Everyone has had that.

I've had that multiple times and it still never gets any easier.

I've never had it in a boat like that though.

Oh, that was crazy.

Cause it's, it's, it's, I think they call it pinch bolt, right?

Where it's only the end of it.

It's the lower one, like the bottom one.

Yeah. It's only also the fronts were like,

not complicated, but somewhat involved.

Like there's like a, it's got like, you know, the McGahn has the,

what's it called?

The knuckle that is like a circle.

So the drive shaft goes through it to get rid of torque stare.

You have to, it sits in that.

She's got like unbolted line.

It's all crusty.

Rear rears are classically the easy bit.

Oh, really?

You do the fronts that are hard and annoying.

And then you go, I'll just do the rears quickly.

In theory, that rear is one for the bottom push down on the lower arm

and do two bucks on top, take it out.

And you want to, that is in theory on that car.

What is it?

It is a, but no, not that.

And also the whole car, it's, um, it's a very clean example,

but it is very well looked after, but it has been under sealed.

But it's the under seal where they just go straight off.

They go, I'm just going to seal this castle.

We're like, melt the under seal off the bolt.

It's nice.

So overall it's a rule.

It's a ruin.

It says, yeah, very long window one.

Sorry, but yeah, it's, it's, it's tough one.

Fair.

For me, I think it is a rule.

Yeah, it's a rule because I got the, I got the Evo timing belt

finally done after snapping the bolt in the block.

Nice.

Got that done, fixed up.

We were both, Will and I were both here on the weekend

working in different garages.

I managed, I got Will's dad to record the first start up with Evo.

I went and asked Will and Will's dad said, do you want me to do it?

All right, fine.

So there's a shot of your dad filming.

It was quite funny.

New cameraman just dropped.

So the Evo is now running, driving.

I've done everything mechanical to that car.

I just need some droplets and then put the interior back together

and stick it up to sale.

Quite sad.

So I took it for a drive down the road.

It's the first time I've driven it.

Quite fun.

Quite sad.

But yes.

So, but it's a rule over there.

Otherwise there's nothing.

There's nothing else to report.

I know you were a ruin.

Ruin.

What are you?

Two rules on a ruin.

I was a rule.

Your rule.

Cool.

So as always, as always, let us know your rules and ruins

in the comments.

We like reading through them.

Shall we get onto some anecdotes and some newses?

Now, there's not many newses, but Ben has come with news.

That was quite a cool sounding news.

That Porsche have patented an 18-cylinder engine.

So for people who can't see, okay.

Now, a W engine exists.

But the layout of a W engine, I wouldn't say it's a W.

This is a W.

It's imagine a straight engine in the middle.

A straight six.

I think that might be an AI image because this is the pattern.

I'm going to explain it for the listeners.

So imagine a straight six engine or a straight four whatever is in the middle

and then on the side of it.

It's in between a very wide V-shaped engine.

And apparently that is what they have patented for a reason I can't remember.

But it looks cool.

That was what I was going to ask.

Why?

What is the benefit?

I just need to bring up a pull-up.

Here we go.

So I have been saving news.

Because I was going to say that it feels like it's ripe for Bugatti,

but there's rivers of them not being Bugatti-ing anymore.

And obviously they kind of do all their stuff in...

Well, Cosworth are doing the Bugatti.

The only thing I think about it is for viewers that can't see,

they've on the pattern, the using Ben's analogy to straight six engine,

the kind of the tallness of you've got the block at the bottom, the head above it.

And then they've got the intake manifold straight above the head.

It's not either left or right.

It's right above it.

But then coming out the side of it, just next to the intake manifold,

is the exhaust manifold.

So it's fine on the left and right because they go down and away.

But the one on the top has very hot exhaust manifolds right next to the intake.

So you're going to have very hot intake air temp,

which is classically not what you want for a powerful engine.

But I'm sure it's Porsche.

They have...

I think they might be smarter than me.

So we don't know why we make this one.

That's quite cool though.

I walk into Porsche.

Have you thought about this?

No, I haven't thought about this yet.

Okay, good point.

Okay, all right.

I have to put the exhaust wrap on it.

The straight cylinder of the banks apparently help diminish frictional losses in the intake air

while the separation between the intake and exhaust keeps the intake air cooler.

Do you know what that was?

That was Neil Tuckett talking about the Model T to us.

I understood zero of what you just said.

I don't know.

I read somewhere there was a reason for it.

But what does that sound like?

That's what I was thinking.

I want to know.

What do you say?

Because he's unlike anything else in terms of...

Is it a V8 mixed with a 6...

Wait, what is it?

W16? 18?

I mean, that would be a W18.

Is it an 18?

It's an 18.

Normally when you, like with other normal engines, you have a V10 and a half that,

an inline 5 will sound similar for a V5.

But I can't...

So this is a V12 with an inline 6 added to it.

In the middle, yeah.

Because there are lots of times, perhaps we'll get onto it later,

we've got some car sounds, where inline 6s can sound like V12s in the right, you know?

Like a McLaren F1 engine can sound like a BMW straight 6.

So I wonder if it's just going to be more...

Three inline 6s.

Just more of them.

Is he three inline 6s or is there a V12 with an inline 6?

It's a great point.

Or is he six inline 3s?

I think it would be a math question.

Or is he one, road 3 and sevens?

Was he 18 single cylinder engines?

I think it's a V18.

Great.

It's three inline 6s, just tilted, I think, when I see it.

Dying over the noise, it depends where the crank pin is.

The wrist pin, because that's what Will and I have been researching about.

Sounds 72 degrees.

But that is a true W.

So what would you make a Bugatti engine?

Because that's not a W anymore.

If that exists, that's a real W engine, because that has this shape of a W.

Yeah.

What's it for?

But they said in the past application that it isn't necessarily...

I think it's for one of their Porsche...

When I was looking up loads of photos that even that Porsche vision,

looking like Le Mans, looking thing that's not, that's supposed to be the next...

So I read that and it wasn't that.

There's no working prototype.

It's just a path that they've done.

But they also said that it doesn't have to be 18 cylinders.

It could be, you know, it could be, I guess, it would be 12.

Three.

If it was four cylinders.

From a brief scan through also, that one is that they haven't announced any project

that this might be attached to.

So it may never leave that image.

They're just trying to get the path.

Also try turbo.

Yes.

So there's a turbo for each bank, I guess, if you like.

So it's a couple of...

How many litres is it?

Does it say?

It doesn't say.

There's no 18 cylinder.

Doesn't say anything.

But we're looking at just a couple of 2Js in there.

Oh, lovely.

It's just three single turbo straight sixes.

But hang on, you could surely put six turbos in,

because you can twin turbo a straight six.

Oh, sure.

So if you do six, imagine the lag on that.

It would be less.

Would it?

Well, because it would be the same, really.

It's the same.

I thought more turbos meant more lag.

Well, no, because you've got three different engines spooling turbos.

So you wouldn't need to...

They're not compounding.

It's like three different 2Js in three different cars to next to each other,

just because they're next to each other.

Doesn't make them lag more.

If someone pulls up next to the other super...

Oh, mate.

Oh, piss off.

Oh, mate.

I stopped running power.

I'm like that.

You're taking power from me, mate.

I'm not going to go anywhere.

You stand there like that.

That's good.

I've said that in public.

Next piece of news, also from you, Benjamin.

Lamborghini now offers as much warranty as Kia.

Yeah.

It's like 21 years by the chance.

Sorry.

It's 10 years.

10 years.

Lamborghini offering 10-year warranty.

10-year warranty.

So the current warranty of Lamborghini is three years,

but it's also unlimited mileage.

They haven't specified whether the 10-year,

in the three years, you can do like this.

Oh, sorry, in the three and not the 10-year.

But still in three years, you just mash miles onto like a...

The assumption is that maybe it will be 10 years

unlimited mileage, because that would be crazy.

If that is...

Let's all pull every bit of money together,

sell off every asset, and that would be Lamborghini.

And we just mash miles on a Lamborghini.

Million-mile hurricane.

There has to be a Tamarario.

There's got to be a caveat.

Or it's like, yeah, but the only thing we pay for

is your air freshener.

Yeah.

But past 20,000 miles, yeah, we don't pay for anything.

So Lamborghini 10-year extended warranty.

Okay, here we go.

Likely...

Sorry, there was a little bit of a Boris Johnson there.

Yeah.

Do you like AI?

I love JetGPT.

So the 10-year warranty is apparently too...

To...

They believe that their customers are not confident

and they rely a bit on their cars.

Okay.

Because obviously they're Italian.

Really?

Well, that's Italian car reliability.

Like, I'm not going to buy...

That surprises me with modern Lamborghini.

Yeah, well, they're fine.

Also, you're...

I've had the average Rivalto customer,

does not care really that much about the warranty,

because they're doing 25 miles a year,

and they probably don't own that long.

But yeah, 10 years.

So like, you could buy a Kia,

and it'll be the same as a Lamborghini.

I don't believe reliable, unreliable cars exist anymore.

But hasn't there been a load of stuff

about Rivalto's all breaking?

Otherwise, I think there's been a few different instances

of them having not even like mileage concerns,

like just things breaking that shouldn't be breaking.

I didn't even know that.

So I wonder if it's a quick like,

we'll fix it.

Because also, if you have stuff like that,

and people are...

The sort of person that is going to buy a Lamborghini,

if something goes wrong on it,

they're not going to go,

ah, well, they're going to be annoyed,

and they're going to send it back to the Lamborghini,

and Lamborghini's probably going to pay to have it fixed.

So if Lamborghini are probably sick,

they're thinking,

if we're already paying for this stuff to get done,

we might as well just claim it,

you can have a 10-year warranty, we'll still fix it.

I discovered a couple of weeks ago,

this was at Topaz, actually,

that there's a Rivalto there,

and Thomas of Hossbauer Hunters showed me.

They have...

I'm pretty sure the charging part is under the frunk,

but it means you can't shut the frunk if it's in charge.

Yeah.

Well, ridiculous.

I mean, I know people aren't street parking Rivalto.

Yeah, it also...

Like, it is form of a function for Lamborghini,

but still, that's not helpful.

I don't...

Can I say something?

Okay.

I never have,

and I don't think I ever will,

understand plug-in hybrids.

I don't understand how they work.

What do you mean?

An old Prius, right?

The whole point of it was,

his electric, and it has electric motor,

and it has a petrol engine,

and it just thinks to itself,

I'm going to give a little bit of a petrol engine.

He thinks to himself,

he's having a bad day.

I'm not doing it today.

Oh, no, I can't be bothered.

I don't like electric engines today.

It charges itself with the engine,

then vice versa uses electric power to run.

Well, I don't understand why you...

Because you get like 30 miles of electric range on most of these.

So, you go home, plug in your car to drive 30 miles?

I don't understand.

But it's for people who like...

Live in cities, for instance,

and they're going to spend...

They're going to do 10 miles that day,

so they run around on electricity,

and then they get home,

and then the next day,

they need to drive to Birmingham,

from London, let's say.

Then they'd use their petrol engine,

so they don't need to keep stopping and refilling.

But why the difference between plug-in and not plug-in?

The one that uses that charges...

Yeah, because I assume it would take a lot more driving

in that 10 miles that it drove around London,

it wouldn't charge the battery back up enough for the next day.

And here's my next question about the same topic.

A lot of them...

So, a lot of...

I know a lot of Ranger project.

Products.

I think it's in normal mode,

when they're hybrids,

they drive in electric mode under 30 miles an hour,

then we get 30 miles an hour,

then it kicks in the petrol engine.

But surely, if in the morning you get out,

you get in your car and you drive off,

your engine is just cold,

so then your car just goes,

cool, you're going 30 miles an hour now,

just cold.

So something that's really bad for the engine.

Are you just bump-starting it?

But what I mean though is,

it's like your engine isn't heated up,

you'll just turn your engine on for like,

I don't know, call it 30 seconds turning it off,

and then it all hasn't circulated properly enough.

In regular engines, they're kind of designed for...

Yeah, I think also,

well, there's always a debate on the internet,

that warming a car up idle and not driving

is worse for it than just driving.

That is fun enough.

A forum question.

Oh, interesting.

All right, well, I guess we can roughly cover now.

Let's get back to that.

I'll have a big forum question later.

Let's get back to it.

Oh, okay, Ben said no.

Ben said, do not speak.

Well, yep.

You just tease later in the episode,

that's what we need to do.

Wow, Ben, you're really hooking the audience in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stay and stick around.

We're going to find out whether you should keep...

We're going to find out later on in the episode.

Meanwhile, us, we've got no idea.

Now, we can make something up.

We can make up information.

Yeah, sure.

We wanted to buy an Lamborghini then,

and test out this new warranty.

Yeah, see what they will cover.

This whistling diesel, man, you got to jump on that.

Next topic, Pierce Brosnan.

Hey, that's his mirrors.

That's a man.

So, I was on Facebook, and I randomly got served.

This is in the BMW 840 and 850 E31 World Owners Association Group.

We've talked about this before.

How many groups are you in on Facebook?

Oh, just lots.

Just infinite.

Yeah.

So, and it was this.

It was a photo of Pierce Brosnan,

which I, from memory, this is Die Another Day.

I think this is when they're doing their chase at the beginning.

This is right at the beginning.

Right at the beginning, where they do have some good cars in there.

There's a 996 GT2, I think in there.

This is the thing.

GT40 gets blown up.

But there is a hovercraft.

And what is there, Ben?

Can you describe what you're looking at?

Okay.

Because have you heard this?

I was in the car.

You were in the car?

This is, I don't know what he's in.

It looks like a frog.

Okay, it's a hovercraft.

It is a hovercraft.

Okay, but it looks like a frog.

And you're watching will agree with me.

They're looking at their screen going,

that's a frog.

It looks like a halo.

So, it's a hovercraft.

He's in there.

He's sort of smoldering the camera just offset.

He's holding a gun.

But with an Uzi.

Yeah, he's got a probably decent loadout.

He's wearing a sort of, I'm going to say,

what is that?

A sort of khaki jacket with a jeans shirt.

I'm going more for the vehicle.

Less about his attire, thanks, Ben.

He has slipped back to one side.

This is from the official James Bond 007 thing.

That's the image we're seeing.

Now, the wing mirrors on that.

They're looking familiar.

Yes.

So, this is a hovercraft with guns.

But vaulted to it, quite crudely, you can see,

are a set of E36 or eight series M Sport mirrors.

There you are.

Those are absolutely what they are.

And a poor color match as well.

Yeah.

But that is, I came up, someone else spotted it and said,

who needs some M Tech mirrors?

Never noticed this detail.

But that, that's the late, where did they find them?

Where did the prop department go?

Shit.

I want to know if it's, if that hovercraft was made like that,

if that's just a hovercraft that exists with those mirrors,

or if they have to make a hovercraft and modify it to look like that.

My working theory is they made the hovercraft without wing mirrors,

because why the hell would a hovercraft have mirrors?

You're not sitting in traffic going,

Have an orange.

Just check over the shoulders.

All right.

I'm going to merge in here, by the way.

I'm just going to head over.

There's a villain in the back seat.

How would you know he's there?

Well, this is, my, my thinking is that the director,

when I want a shot where he looks in the rear view mirror

and sees the baddies coming, the absolute badders on the way.

Pasta.

But so we need wing mirrors.

Why they, why aren't they wing mirrors?

Is that shot in there?

And well, that's what I'm assuming.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

And so someone had to hastily take the wing mirrors off their E36M3

and just whack them on the, on the other hovercraft.

Someone went, that's an absolute slipstream.

Oh yeah.

That's something I forgot to mention.

My, my rear view mirror fell off the 36th of a day.

I was wiping the windscreen and I just accidentally knocked the mirror off.

This is probably illegal,

but I've been driving around for the last week without a wing mirror.

I don't think you need one.

You don't need one.

I'm telling you now, sorry, rear view mirror.

You do need one legally.

I don't think you do.

Do you not?

I disagree with this.

Have I heard of a blind spot?

No, but there isn't because you have your wing mirrors.

What? Okay.

What do you do in a van that has a, like a panel van?

We'll crash.

Have you seen them?

No, but I rented a van once.

Yeah.

A Luton van, no less.

And they don't have a massive hole out there.

I don't think it's legal.

Yes.

At least one internal rear view mirror and the driver's side mirror

are required in the law by the UK.

Okay, that's a good point though.

What about vans though?

But is it, is it like a thing like if your car is opaque in the rear?

Vans must have mirrors to avoid rearward vision.

Well, many vans are not legally required to have an interior rear view mirror.

The back of the window is blocked.

They must have a driver's side and offside,

driver's side, offside mirror.

They're legally required to have one other mirror,

either passenger side or an interior one.

But cars do need that.

Supposedly.

Well, it says at least one internal rear view mirror

and the driver's side mirror are required in the UK.

Okay, but here's my question.

Okay.

So if that's regulation, is it a case of having it or it being functional?

Because in theory, then you could just put every mirror in the car,

all it would see was just a piece of metal behind your head

and you couldn't see anything.

It's just facing you.

For a car, yeah.

But for a car, I guess, it's probably wherever

clear view out the rear is able, you need one.

But yeah, I haven't had one for a week and you don't need one.

I'm telling you now, I'm going to put it back.

But I'll tell you what, the vision of the windscreen is lovely.

As long as that is, you feel like it is a clear day.

You're living in 2035.

I don't agree.

What do you mean you don't look good?

My interior mirror is my favorite mirror.

What are you doing?

You just peeping at other people behind you?

It's just really helpful.

For what?

For the seamos behind you.

For car spotting.

You know what he's having a look at?

You already know what he's having a look at.

There's a very good reason Ben loves his rear view mirror.

Ben's not a great guy because he realized the track he's fallen into.

I can smell the cop.

We could not.

I've laid that one out any better.

Oh, guys, let's talk about rear view mirrors today.

I just love my mirror.

Does everyone love that?

Honestly, I could use it.

Ben, I don't have one.

I can't see who's behind me.

Right.

Next bit of news, I think.

Do you check your mirrors regularly?

Yes.

But do you do it in the same way that you do on your driving test?

Do you mirror your entire body to make sure you're looking?

Do you mirror a signal and then manoeuvre?

Of course.

No, I mirror a signal and manoeuvre.

I try my blind spots.

I feed the wheel.

Do you know what I do?

Right now, I just signal and manoeuvre.

I go, good luck everybody.

And I turn.

It's the most Edmund Wilt-like thing.

We're like, no, don't need it.

Don't need it.

You do need it.

But I knocked it off and I was like,

and then also accidentally got rid of my rear view mirror.

And then I was like, I have to drive home.

And I was worried.

I was like, what?

This is going to be really weird.

Day later.

But blind spots exist.

But they don't because you can see out your rear view mirrors.

Sorry, your side mirrors.

The blind spots.

But if vans are okay, vans have got more blind spots.

They do.

That's why vans are also doing crazy manoeuvres all the time.

But they also, they do get by.

They're not just crashing into like cyclists.

You see any sprinter ever.

Yeah, fair.

You know, true.

Wow.

That's what we solved it.

Why are vans always mashed because they have no rear view mirror?

That's not the excuse though.

Just wait.

My 36 is going to turn up with every panel bent it.

And I'll go, no idea.

What if I wonder if you could get away with like a camera one?

That's exactly the point.

Because it says mirror.

Yeah.

No, a camera one is legal.

But that says mirror.

But it's the same.

It's rear view facing.

And you do your hair.

And you do it.

I don't know why.

Now, now, because the Honda E has a normal rear view mirror,

but then two cameras on the side with two screens.

Yeah.

At least one internal rear view mirror and the driver's side mirror

are required by law in the UK.

So that, sorry, we're just blurring the lines, are we?

You're over thinking it.

It's so same.

Can it be?

But it's not a mirror and it's not outside the car.

But it's no, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh, that's right.

No, no, no.

Me at school, I get the whole lot.

It is outside, technically.

Because the camera itself is outside.

And that's what you're seeing.

A mirror.

But that's what's providing the functionality of C.

So where do we draw the line here?

We just have an artistic interpretation of what's behind us.

No.

Can I have a painting on that?

It serves the same function.

It just gets.

If you had, I don't know,

like a small guy sat on the outside of your car shouting,

was behind you.

You're all right.

I think a camera is fine.

Although I do find interior,

the interior review mirror cameras.

Oh, the schizophrenic don't come out.

No, I don't.

But I do actually hate interior mirrors.

The interior mirror, a review camera,

what they called rear view mirror cameras,

those are more helpful.

But the.

Do you like those?

They're fine.

I don't like those.

Hummo had that.

Yeah.

But the side mirrors, when they just go,

I'm going to put a camera there and move the screen inwards.

I think that's just pointless.

Yeah, I don't like that.

What do you see?

I mean, mirrors on that help for a long time anyway.

They're actually better.

I don't know.

Well, some of them have like night visiony looking sort of stuff.

They're quite good.

I like mirrors.

One design.

Okay.

I like a mirror on a car.

Simple.

It's car.

If car doesn't have mirrors, car isn't.

It's not car.

It's concept car.

It's just being slippery.

Like fish.

Mirrors.

Cameras are not a solution to mirrors.

Okay.

Dimming mirrors.

What a wonderful invention.

Also, you wouldn't have that in your house.

Like walk it out.

Let me just quickly show you and just get a flat screen TV out

that has a camera feed of your face.

That's what I was sort of the point I was trying to make to Ben

doing his hair in the morning.

Oh, okay.

Imagine that.

You flip your laptop out.

Yeah, maybe never.

I'll just whack FaceTime up and do my hair.

But you've never used your front facing camera as a mirror?

What?

Absolutely not.

I have.

Like if you want to see someone in your face,

if he says to you right now, there's someone in your face,

like someone crazy on your face.

I'll be like, oh, that's what I'm doing.

Mate, do not move.

There's a spider in your face.

I mean, well, Ben.

Get a selfie.

Oh, look at a selfie camera.

Look at angry birds up.

No, you get your phone out and use that as like a mirror.

If there was no mirror around, I might do that.

Yeah, obviously.

It's a mirror next to me.

I'm not going to get my phone out.

Okay.

There's a mirror in that toilet.

Would you sooner reach for your phone?

Yeah, I'm not going to reach my phone.

It's literally here.

Ben is Gen Z.

That's it.

No, it's fixing a problem.

It's the mirror that you grew up with.

Yes.

I grew up with the cameras, mate.

That's crazy.

We've managed to get very off topic.

That really is.

The house of mirrors in your world is really wild.

You're stupid folding phones.

You don't whack that open as a massive mirror when you need it.

I could do.

Ben could fit my whole face in that.

Yeah, but you could.

Ben goes to the carnival and goes to the hall of iPhones.

It's just a security room.

Summer on half zoom.

Summer on two times.

He goes, whoa, that looks weird.

I can't do it.

Ben just goes, oh, what's on my face?

If you were listening, that was more smoldering his camera.

Okay, great.

That's nice and fun, isn't it?

That was from Pierce Brosnan, Meris.

More news from you here, Ben.

Yeah.

I'm hoping you've done your research.

Porsche's profits down 99% which sounds quite extreme.

Last year, this time last year, Porsche was profiting.

Okay.

99%.

400 million euros.

Okay.

This year, there are 40 million euros.

Oh, was that it?

But that is a 99% decrease.

Okay.

Is it?

100?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, okay.

Sure.

Would that be right?

I think about that.

Yeah.

Okay, fine.

Sorry.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

Because 10...

What did you say?

10%...

Did you make up the 99% or did you...

No, that's 90%.

That's what...

Yeah.

What numbers are...

Give me the numbers.

400...

402 million euros down to 40 million euros.

So, it's 90%.

Yeah.

So, why is the headline saying 99?

Oh, John, I'll be honest here.

I'll never get a mass.

What is 90% of 400 million?

It's...

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I don't know what that number is.

It's 90%.

Here we go, Will.

Can I see?

Can I read out for the views?

That is three...

Hold on a moment, hold on a moment, hold on a moment.

That is $36 billion is what you've got that number there.

What's going on?

Well, Portia, I've solved your problem.

You're actually making an incredible amount of money.

Portia?

Hey?

Let's read that out first.

No, it's $36 million.

Okay.

Yeah, that's $36 million.

So those are operating profits.

So that's not revenue and stuff,

but it means that they're profiting 90% less than they were last year.

But what is that?

I think it's partly the electric thing.

You must think you've got your McCanns.

They've gone to be, they're now electric.

You've got your announcement of the Boxster

and the Cayman becoming mostly electric.

Now hold up, because I can't remember if I talked about this before.

But it's the same thing when everyone gets all like,

Jag of God, lost 700% profits.

Okay.

But they've stopped selling cars.

If they have tactically gone, right, 2025 is going to be an L for us,

but we're setting ourselves up for 26.

They understand that that's going to happen.

Let's say they've canceled orders for Boxster and Cayman,

because then the electric one's coming out,

or Cayenne's being culled or something.

There might be a reason for it.

Everyone's always very quick to go,

see, look, it's not working.

We told them, but there might be a reason.

Shall we dig deeper?

Please.

Okay.

I can try to read from this article.

Please do.

So the CEO is leaving.

Oh, he's off.

He took all the profits.

Someone from McLaren is now becoming the CEO.

Yeah, exactly.

Brown.

That's not right.

You just said something from McLaren.

I made someone up.

It's not that.

I don't think you made him up.

I think Gordon Murray,

so he used to be at McLaren, might be him.

I think it's Bruno Senna.

Who is that?

I don't know.

You said someone from McLaren.

Okay, basically, all I was going to say.

Actually, I actually do know who that is.

Bruce McLaren.

Yeah, that's the one.

That was wrong.

I thought he was going to get some people on the fabric.

Right.

The outgoing CEO has admitted that the company is facing

headwinds from a cooling EV market to rising costs

and sluggish demand in China,

and they're basically going to cut some jobs.

But interestingly, their net cash flow has actually increased.

Have you been on company's house?

I often am, but no.

Ben is, just know, if you're out there and you've got a company,

Ben's on company's house looking at your bank account.

I'm deep in your public account, Ben.

Loves it.

He'll go, who's doing what?

All right, let me get on company's house.

Haven't filed your account so far.

Interesting.

What's Cash at Bank saying?

If you aren't aware in the UK, if you have a company,

you could look up any information about them.

If you're a public minister company,

legally, you must publish all of your revenue and stuff online.

If you're a certain size, they do it in plain English.

If it's a smaller company, they're doing it in Chinese.

I don't know why they did that.

If it's a smaller company, it's grids of numbers and stuff.

But if you are big enough, it will say,

we made £17 this year.

We lost a million.

That's TDC.

Basically, I don't understand why.

It's also not 99%.

That was the quote from the C.

Can we name and share this website, if possible?

I read this in like multiple places.

This was all saying 99%, but I don't know.

Maybe.

You know what?

I'll rely on our maths being wrong,

but from just hearing it, the numbers seem wrong.

Okay, but fine.

You've got this.

You know the articles you get at the bottom of a page

where it says this one

smear garlic aioli on your knees and your back fade will go away.

Just having visions at night time and pretending they're true.

What?

I'm going to write this down.

I mean, it's talking about this in the podcast.

God, I just hate doing the news.

But yeah, I think part of it, I would imagine,

is the electric thing.

I like Porsche 911s, but I will admit,

if you are the average consumer, you might not be like,

I'm going to upgrade because you might see it as the same car,

because it's up to the average punter.

If you're not going like, well, it's got four more pound feet

and eight more horsepower and it's electrifying.

The turbo spool in two milliseconds, they don't care.

But the 911 is probably not what they're paying the bills with.

They feel like they're in some kind of transition.

Cayman's, Panamera's, and that's there.

But Cayman's on the way out.

You've got your Mackan's, Cayan's, Mackan and Cayan's call it.

What's the electric?

That's a Taycan, son.

Although that's just those, they're just hanging around.

Do you know what I think's weird about 911s?

This might not be true at all, but I feel like it is.

911s were for, call it the 60s to the 90s.

Yeah, till like the 964, a thing that only people in the know would buy.

You'd buy it because you're into sports cars.

You're into the GT2s, all that sort of stuff.

You don't care about mainstream cars.

Then, 911s and Porsches became very mainstream.

The amount of normal 996s around, everyone probably knows someone

that's had a 996 or a 997 or maybe a 991.

And they're just like, yeah, cool.

I don't care about cars that much.

But now I feel like we're back to being most people.

They're not under the volume is still in the base Carrera.

But it feels like everyone's going after the GT cars.

People only buy 911s now when they want the big one.

The race car, not race car, but GT3s.

That's, it's weird.

It feels like the 996, the 997 and the 991, the bulk of them were normal.

And then a few people bought GT3s.

That's actually fair.

Because I think if I see a lot of standard in quotations,

like Carrera, 991s and stuff.

But whenever I see, I reckon I see as many GT3, 992s as I do just Carreras.

That's what I believe.

Because I saw one the other day, I saw a 992, which is the new one,

with its fog light on, its little centre fog.

I literally thought, I cannot remember the last time I saw a normal 911.

This is one of the first ones I've seen.

And yet GT3, GT3 RS, I see them around every now and then.

That's weird.

It shouldn't be like 99% down.

I feel bad for your son, 99% down.

This and Porsche, if you've got an A911, you might get rid of just for cheap.

Please do shout out.

Just let, let us know.

Also 40 mil.

Off in.

Come on.

You could afford to lose it.

Would you even notice it?

I'm talking about you, Ben.

Well, you're saying that's not, that that's still good.

Yeah, that's 40 million.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Big Rich Ben.

No, of course not.

You think 40 million profit is good?

No, but if you, if you look at it from, I got 12.

Check Ben's company's house, everyone.

No, if you were, if you were 12 months ago,

if you were 12 months ago, making 400 million euros,

and then 12 months later, you are now making 40 million,

that is a big decrease.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Obviously it's a lot of money, but you know, if you're, if you're...

They might have gambled it away.

Yeah.

Underground gambling for your Porsche.

Bad bit, horse races.

I lost a bet.

Well, no one's learned anything from that story.

No, no, just dross.

Dross as usual.

That's about it for news to be fair.

Next anecdote I put in here is bullshit eBay selling.

Okay.

I don't like selling things at all.

Okay.

It sometimes, there is a thrill to selling things

because you, you will get some money back for something you,

you may have bought in the past.

That's how selling things work.

I've already described something.

Someone at home?

Okay.

So I was, I've been, had the wheels from the Gallardo for sale,

the original ones, the Riverside alt stat, three piece things.

And they weren't really selling.

I put them up 300 quid at the end, starting bid.

Someone bid 300 pounds with about half an hour to go and they won.

So I sent them a message and said, hello.

When would you like to come and collect these wheels?

You have one.

They can either pay when they come and get them,

or they can pay through eBay, whatever.

Nothing for three days.

Not perfect.

I thought I'm not going to send a reminder.

I can't be honest.

I get a message from a guy that

yeah, this is me.

I won the bid, blah, blah, blah.

I don't actually think they're going to fit.

I think the Santa ball is a bit small.

So would you take 200 quid and I could take a chance?

I stared at this message and I thought, I want,

I want to smash your face.

You want that?

What are you talking about?

You bid.

Also, also here's a tip for you.

You did take a chance.

You took a chance at 300.

300 pounds.

And then you went, oh, actually don't think they'll fit.

But at 200 quids, 200 quids, at 200 quid,

I might take a chance.

You can find out if they fit or not.

Yeah.

Also, the Santa ball, they're off the market.

They will be big enough.

Well, he says they're too small.

I reckon he was, because they're 57.1.

Oh, they are.

I can say it's quite small.

Which is like Audi stuff.

So if he's a Mercedes or something, it won't fit.

I thought they might fit the Merc, but they won't.

But he said that in the advert.

You're, yeah, you're an absolute.

Wait three days and went, actually I don't want.

And then I had another guy who was, he also messaged.

He said, I'll give you 200 quid.

There's like three days, four days before it ended.

And I was like, I would literally, I'd rather keep them and sit on them.

Then, then like, is it actually,

I actually sit on them or eat out of them, like cereal bowls.

It's not very cold much.

Just a fallout.

Set a cap in.

57.1, mate.

We might take a chance on that.

How many cheerios fits in there?

If you're, I just, it took every fiber of my being.

Not to be.

Not to go apeshit.

I have a message.

I was just like, cool.

Cancel.

You're a ballant.

You can't, you cannot.

He was a Facebook person on eBay.

Yeah.

How am I?

Is this still available?

Yeah.

Just disappear into the ether.

Ah, do you want, I'll pay you 300 pounds.

Here is a, here's a binding bid that says I will buy this.

Also, he's what he did.

He went, he went 300 quid.

Yeah.

You went 300 quid.

He went 300 quid.

That's a bit steep.

I don't even know if they'll fit.

You bid back.

You did that.

He's doing it as if I've offered them to him.

Oh, come on, mate.

I don't even know if they're going to fit.

Did 200 quid for me?

Do me a deal.

So if that was you and you're a creamer,

feel free to never listen to this podcast ever again.

Nice.

I like that.

Blocked and banned.

Blocked and reported.

I'm selling things.

I really, I just hate selling things now everywhere.

I want make selling great again.

Okay.

Because I want someone to come out with,

with a new selling platform.

eBay 2.

eBay 2 will come out.

eBay 2.

And if you commit to buy something

and then you back out of it, you just get shot.

Oh my God.

3B.

I want to be back on these things again.

What we had so far is this talking the cinema.

Your seat explodes.

Gatling gun.

Gatling gun also in the cinema.

Was that in the cinema?

What was the other one?

That was something else.

There was something else.

There was one with the cinema.

Well, the seat.

There's lots of cinema ones.

There was another one as well.

There was, I think it was to do with the going slow on the road.

I think it was, I can't remember what it was.

Oh, it was, if you slow down,

if you slow down for traffic to look at the accident

or anything, speed, movie, spec.

You go on to 40 mile an hour, your car blows up.

I think you could probably apply that to middle lane hoggers.

I think if you spend X amount of time in the middle lane.

Oh, I like that.

And there are sensors around that says,

okay, there's nothing in your blind spot.

You can move over.

Timer starts to go.

If it goes, it goes.

But if your amplifier is broken and your Mercedes, you're done.

Yes.

Just going to go off without you hearing it.

No, no, this is like aftermarket.

This is third party fit.

Nothing to do with the car sound system.

Is it an MOT fail if you haven't got it?

It's actually in you as a human.

Oh, wow.

It's perfect.

So then it doesn't matter what car you're in.

Oh, John, then that will work for slow walks as well.

If you're on the pavement, you can't get past it.

About old people just going past this.

Airports.

Now, airports.

I get, it's one of the places that I find myself with,

you know when you're about to kick off?

Yeah.

And you feel the rage in your body.

Do you know, Will will attest, I, when I lived in London,

I was an angry man then today, which is a tough thing to work out.

But the basis of this anger came from trying to walk around London.

Because I wanted to dash people downstairs often.

Because they just stand there going one step and then looking at their phone

and stopping the stairs.

You joking?

Sorry, this is a car podcast.

But still, I don't know how some people get around.

Like actually, how do they get from A to B?

They don't.

They're still there now.

NPCs.

But why is it that when you enter, these people can operate normally outside of an airport?

How do they get in?

When you get into it, why is everyone there?

No one can move correctly.

It just becomes, I'm not saying that I can.

I might get away sometimes.

What's the theme?

Walking around an airport makes me realise I'm the only human that knows how to walk.

It's a, I can't believe my flight was booked for the same day as everyone else's first day on it.

Yeah, explosives embedded in human beings and airports.

Not, doesn't go well.

Is a problem.

Yeah, that's true.

TSA, if you're listening, please let us know.

That's actually a fair point.

Yeah, so we can't do that.

But on a selling website, do you know what?

Actually, you have to put in your address and it's verified.

You bid on something, you mess something around, you get a centre bomb.

No, no, no.

You just did the seller who's been messed around.

Gets your address.

They may do whatever they want with that information.

I think it should be, but then you could get done for murder.

I think no, no, it should be detached and you just know and you get sent like a, you know,

the seller's not around no more.

Anybody that's played GTA 5 online, what I would like is I'd be able to call up Lamar

and set a mugger on them, which so if you mess around,

just someone's going to come around your house and make something for me.

No, I want a, it won't be, it won't be big.

It won't be anything like, yeah, exactly.

You've locked someone.

I messed someone up on a song.

And they just, they smashed you back door in.

Yeah.

And then they broke into your house.

They took a bag of some bread.

That's it.

I don't know who I've wronged in the past.

It was to have a mugger set on me.

Just to teach you a lesson.

Well, if you know when you're in GTA lobby and you just,

you just go out of your business and you just hear, and then you hear an oppressor mark, too.

I was with a, someone who was just sweating all day on it and they blow you up.

There you go.

Also, for those of you that don't play games, sorry.

We'll, we'll move on.

Yeah.

Apologies.

But yeah, if you're a bad seller, you deserve plastic explosives in the letterbox.

Me when the room under my house isn't very good.

Pen.

Now, before we get to our, our much awaited forum questions that we were forced to delay.

Towns.

We do some car sounds.

Let's do some sounds.

Joe, we don't know if you liked it last week, because it hasn't got out.

Can we show we do ours first or do you like to do yours first?

I'll do mine first because they'll be worse.

Okay.

Straight up.

So, okay.

So for the premise, for those of you that haven't listened before,

perhaps hated last week and skipped it, we're doing it again.

Ben is going to play us five different car sounds.

We did very poorly last week, but the twist is this time,

Will and I each have one for the other team.

I played yours before.

I really annoyed me.

You really wanted to know.

And I thought, perfect.

That's the sound I'll go with.

I wasn't listening hard enough.

And I said to Will, can I please just actually know because it's going to really upset me.

You won't tell me.

Are you ready, gang?

Here we go.

Sport sound.

That is a B.

That's diesel.

No, it's not diesel.

No.

What have you ended it there?

Interesting.

Now, I'm going to say, so that's an old six cylinder.

It sounds E36-ish.

I was going to say, is it an exhaust clip?

Where was the video from?

The back.

Okay.

That's fine.

That's actually what I was asking.

A back shot.

Okay.

I'm going to say that's either like an E33-25i or like an E36-328i.

I'm going to throw a left hooker straight into that.

It's Jor.

370Z.

Oh, interesting.

Do you want one more time?

Yeah, please, if you can.

What's that?

Just a weird audio.

It's got a weird audio.

It's on a Dino, right?

Yeah.

I think it's V6.

It's not in line six.

It's V6 with a true dual exhaust, man.

Is it something like an Infiniti?

Is it one of your...

Because it's Ben, I'm going to say it's an IS-250 because he likes them.

No, that's a bad guess.

Because that was something like an GT-R, if that had anything to do with it.

He doesn't sound like that.

They do.

All right.

They've got that proper per like V6.

Do you know what?

I'll play them on those right now.

That's put me off with 370Z.

No, yeah.

What?

Okay, Ben.

Put us out of misery.

An SX.

It was an SX.

And do you know why I pause the video?

Why is that?

Because of the V-tech.

Because if I carry...

What the hell?

That's actually...

Was it an auto?

If I carry on, ready?

Yeah, no.

Now, hold on.

Because I knew if the second you heard the V-tech crossover, you'd know what it was.

That's not on.

This is?

No, you can't...

Right, okay.

Oh, sorry, here's this car I'd like.

Ben, here's my one.

Cool, what was that?

That was a MacBook Pro keyboard.

It's a place bar.

It can't be particular.

You can't play half of it.

No, I can do what I want.

That is disgusting.

All right, tactics.

Sorry, can I...

It's my guess.

Can I have the next one, please?

Yeah, of course.

That was in portais.

Yeah, you know what?

The Creamers will be on our side with this.

They're going to hate for that.

All right, let's go again.

Okay.

This is, for context, a junction exit.

V8.

Oh, traffic.

Sorry, Ben, two minute video.

V8, and it's in America.

Works, you could hear roads everywhere.

And an American human being in the beginning.

I think there's just, man.

Can we get that one more time, please?

Of course you can.

Sorry, I'll...

Yeah, let's just get to the door.

Man, can I have the first 45 seconds of pre-emptive, please?

Why is it that every car video

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N.A., I think, possibly.

It has a little bit of that L.S., that's like Mustang.

Yeah, it's either Mustang or L.S.

A 5L.

No, it doesn't have that coyote, that weird zing that they have.

And it's a manual.

I'm going to say...

I'll let you think whilst I sip my water.

I'm going to say that that's a C7.

A BANANANTA?

Yeah.

The results will shock you.

Okay, it's...

What?

What, it could be anything, couldn't it?

That's kind of the point that we could get, it could be anything.

It is a pickup truck of some variety.

Okay, it's a Dodge.

It's a 4GT.

What?

That was... I promised my first thought.

2005 one.

My first thought was a 4GT and I was like,

they have more of the modular, but they are supercharged.

So that's very upsetting.

You guys have not been doing well with your liars.

We really have.

Let's give it a number 3.

It was NA as well, I can't believe it.

Let's give it a number 3.

I can't believe it.

Is that the path?

It's 4-cylinder.

That noise is record.

The start, can I get a start?

That one's more.

Always the noise.

I think that's a GR Yaris.

No, I'm going to preface this.

This was not my one.

This was edited to mic out this one.

I think it's a good one.

I was about to say like an i30N or a Focus RS 2.3.

I'm just going to go Golf R.

Is it a Mustang EcoBoost?

It is.

Oh, nice.

When you said EcoBoost start up, I thought you're going to throw a...

Yeah, that was a mic set.

Might have done a Mustang and I was like,

now I'll guess Mustang and I'll do a 2.3 EcoBoost.

Mike, you've been bested.

So for context, for people who don't know,

the Mustang is famously a V8.

And they, for some reason, unbeknownst to me,

released the Ford Focus RS.

Is it a RS engine?

It is.

It's a 2.3-litre 4-cylinder.

They put in a Mustang for some unknown reason.

I think the Fox body had a 4-cylinder that you can have at some point.

2.3, I think as well.

Okay.

It's a Pinto engine, right?

I think so.

I had a rental Mustang, a 2.3 EcoBoost.

I took it back after about two, three hours.

It was actually really quite appalling.

Really?

Like, if you are a complete normie, great.

I got a Mustang, man.

But, God, that thing is horrible.

Like, that engine just doesn't suit it.

Manual with an auto.

It was an auto.

10-speed auto EcoBoost.

Vert Mustang.

Oh, God.

The American dream.

I got two more for you.

Two more?

Would you like to use your ears to listen to them?

Yes, please.

Well, clearly we haven't.

Oh, I haven't.

Can I get the start up again?

Oh, we had take-off there.

I want that.

Is it?

Again, the start.

I think it's Porsche.

Can we get...

No, can you get the take-off, please?

Oh, no, no.

It sounded like a drive away.

Something more modern.

Uh, Julia QV.

Financial?

Yeah.

McCann.

That is a Bentley Continental.

A W12.

Is it?

Wow.

Well, that sounds like ass.

Yeah.

Funny enough, I had an older Bentley Continental,

the second version of.

And it came past me and it sounded amazing.

You had one?

No, no.

One came past me.

Oh, I thought you said...

You said I had one.

As in, I had one come past.

Sorry.

That's my car.

But it went past me and about an hour later,

I was on auto-trader looking at Continental.

It was like,

Sound great.

An old one or a new one.

As in a, like a second, like a facelift one.

Right, okay.

Um, okay, yeah.

It sounded like one.

It sounded like shit.

Not really.

I didn't...

Yeah.

And the final one.

This, this is Mount the Car.

That's the same video.

That?

Oh, Bentley Continental.

What?

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Is that someone's...

Now, I'm...

I'm going to go Diablo is my first thought on that.

Thought you're looking at me trying to play mind games

and try to work out my reactions to things.

I was going to say, like, me, your...

Yeah, it's old.

Your gear changes feel a bit too...

Too quick.

You snappy Ferrari.

Oh, Testerosa.

Don't ask me, man.

Just guess.

My first thought was Diablo.

I'm going staying with that.

Okay.

Bureau.

Continental.

It was between Diablo and Continental.

Somewhere in the middle of those.

Whoever's, yo, whoever rowing gears in the Continental.

She's going crazy.

Slamming them through.

Nice.

Right, William.

Or me.

Do you like which one?

Which one?

I'll put you out in misery.

Okay.

Is it a super early C12?

Pagani's under?

Here's a C12.

A non...

Okay.

I believe part of this as well is you know each other too well.

Yeah, that's true.

Before you even hear the noise, you know what you're going for.

Okay.

What?

Sorry, Ben.

What were you going for there?

Probably like an early sort of Pagani.

Oh, mate.

It's exactly what I was saying.

The 6-liter or the 7.3?

I don't remember what Evan said, but I think yes.

That's exactly what I was saying.

Which one's that?

Is that the 6-liter or the 7.3?

Um, well, weirdly, you would think it would be the 7

because the bigger engine, but it's not.

Small one.

Okay.

Right, I'm going to...

I might have to have my laptop.

Is that all right?

So, are we ready?

Yeah.

That's not how you use a laptop.

What?

Carrera GT?

No.

He's a 6 or a 12.

He's a 12.

He's not a 12.

That's...

I think that's a 10.

I will give you...

No, that's a 12.

I'm going to give you the beginning again.

Now, have you broken a rule you give to Ben?

Now, I have, but this car sounds the same

with aftermarket exhaust and without,

and they all have aftermarket exhaust,

which actually might throw you off.

Don't look too much into that.

Don't think too much into that.

The V12.

That's a V12.

But that doesn't sound like a V12.

I think it's a V10.

No, that ain't a V10.

It's a V12.

It's not...

I'm not...

The one clue I will give you,

I'm not trying to throw you off here.

This is not something weird or obscure.

Do you like...

What was the clue?

That was the clue.

You said...

I said it's not weird.

I'm not...

It's not some weird obscure.

It's not an IX and Mega Track.

It's not weird or obscure.

Well, I was about to say a CLK GTR,

because it's V12 and I don't know what they sound like.

I think...

Oh, god.

It's a V10.

I don't think it's a V12.

I think it's a V12.

And furthermore, I think it's a V12.

Have you worked out what engine you think it is yet?

I think it could.

Yeah, be like 12 cylinders in a V.

Okay, no, I genuinely don't know.

I'm going to say a CLK GTR.

Benjamin?

I don't know.

Give me a final answer, please.

Ben, anything?

A V10.

What?

I don't know.

Okay, great.

It's a Ferrari F50.

Which is what?

A V12?

No, they're a V10, mate.

No, you're wrong.

Sorry, Ben.

I got V10 vibes from it.

No, it has the...

V12s have a...

It has...

Have a thing.

Two more cylinders.

I was expecting you to go more modern,

because they have the F50 over any of the...

Like Testerosa or anything.

Have that almost 812-V.

But it's got that...

It's the...

Well, gear change and also the low down noise that...

That modern V12s just can't do.

Can't be doing it.

Again, we will peep the comments in this week's coming podcast

to see if you guys liked or disliked it.

But let us know if you're a fan of the car sounds or not.

Ben's got to go out and get some more.

Incredibly poor showing from us so far.

Yeah, I really thought I'd be better at this.

Yeah, yeah.

Next week, maybe we'll get one.

Probably not.

We'll get one, actually.

Have we got...

We said we've got a forum.

Let's...

Oh, a forum.

I've had this forum.

Because I haven't done a forum for a while.

So I screen shot this one when I got DM'd to me ages ago.

So I'm going to...

Do we want to complete the forum from earlier?

I think there's still a good hook to the making wait.

Oh, okay.

You just remember Ben's the one making a wait.

Maybe we'll get right to the end and go...

And next week we'll talk about cold starts.

All right, what's this one then?

This one is from a person who's missing note.

Okay.

Which is interesting, because the note is right here on my phone.

Very nice.

Hi, Ben.

I've been a TDC viewer since the first main channel video and the podcast.

No hello to us.

And I've had a thought about something that I think should be asked somewhere.

Do you really like a car if you don't like it as it comes from a factory?

I.e. basically...

You have a car that you like.

You should like it.

You modify it.

Do you really like that car if, as it came out of the factory, you wouldn't have it?

Now...

Does that make sense?

I understand where you're coming from.

Because I believe the MX-5 is a perfect example of that.

Yeah.

And the MX-5 is a great base on which to build something.

But it is, to me, a horrible car.

However, cars cannot be their perfect selves because of constraints.

Manufacturers can't make them how they want to be.

If they were, cars would look like concept cars.

Because that's them being able to do whatever they want.

However, emissions and stringent laws stop them from...

You have to have the wheels tucked in.

You have to have wing mirrors, mate.

You've got to have them.

So, what you're doing by modifying them, whether legally or not,

is pushing them back to what they should be.

Are we...

Yeah.

I believe all cars can be improved.

All.

All cars.

But even you take the most perfect...

The most perfect...

Perfect.

You put a set of spaces on a Veyron.

Quiet at R.

It's going to look a little better.

Quiet at R.

Get rid of the stripe.

Okay.

Don't make me more happy.

That's a little bit spectre-dependent.

Yeah.

What about yelling the slogan, manual?

I put a little different exhaust on it.

And lower it.

And I might put spaces on it.

Space it out a bit.

There are...

It doesn't matter.

Some of them are so small.

Very small, yeah.

Some of them might be...

I need to put an entirely different kit on this.

I might need a different engine, for example.

But all things can be improved.

Absolutely.

But I'll be saying that is there a car out there that you own...

That you would have that is bad out the factory?

So, for example...

That is only improved by modifying.

Well, okay.

So, an X5.

Would you have an X5?

A standard.

Oh, absolutely not.

Okay.

So, do you like X5s?

No.

Would you have a...

And there's the point.

Would you have a standard F2000?

Yes.

Bone stock.

Community stock.

See, it's...

And to us you, if you...

Now, I think my car looks fantastic.

I think it's worth the slight sacrifice.

I know what you're going to say.

It will drive worse.

No.

It will drive better.

It will drive worse.

It won't, because it's all floppy and wallowy.

No, that's fair.

But surely with bigger, wider wheels that are set up in a way to...

With the camera and that sort of thing, it's going to drive slightly worse.

Because if you put that car on some decent tires,

but standard setup, it'll probably drive it better.

Here's some links.

The E36 I have right now has every handling modification you can do.

Not track stuff, but it has upgraded anti-roll bars,

has brand new bushings on everything.

It has coilovers.

It has wider wheels and tires all set to fit with good brakes.

The engine is still 90 horsepower.

I have fun driving that car on back roads that I couldn't.

I absolutely did not when it was stock.

But it has no more power.

It's still slow.

I mean, we've all been in the car.

If I met the accelerator to get on the motorway,

25 seconds later, we're just touching 70.

But it's fun to throw around the back roads,

because I've improved a facet of it.

I see where you're coming from, Ben, in a way,

because I've had this thought recently.

With the blue Clio I had, it wasn't like coilovers and stuff,

but it was upgraded to within the inch of its life.

And it drove great.

But is it that much better than a standard Clio with lowering springs?

And is it worth the rubbing, the scraping, the jiggling, the rattling?

Like the F-1000, it's going to, what's the phrase, tram-lining?

It's going to do that more.

But it's going to probably not have...

It's not going to handle it as well,

if it's got a bit more camber to make the wheels fit.

You didn't need to do that.

You could have just had coilovers and had standard wheels,

but different wheels.

No, that's possible to get in between, but it would look good.

But that's exactly, but there's a personal preference.

I believe, though, it would be better, like baseline objectively,

just with coils and better brakes, for instance.

On what?

On like that S-2000.

And then it would drive better.

Yeah, but I'm saying is that I would like it stock,

because it's a good car stock.

Yeah, it's good, but it could be better.

That's the whole point.

There are some mods where you don't have to make any sacrifices.

You tailor it to you, because Honda, when, okay, it's a sports car,

but we still have, let's say, the big base of people who are buying this

are going to be in their 40s.

They don't want the suspension to be really stiff.

So they make it softer so that everyone enjoys it.

But you, as a young boy, decide, I want this thing to be stiff

and great around corners, and the S-2000 too.

And so for that reason, I'm going to put coils on it,

and that makes it objectively better to drive.

Oh, I think I will prefer it.

Mine is more the wheels.

I think will be what makes it probably worse to drive.

Of course, but for me, it looks so good.

Yeah, I don't care.

So there's a balance between form and function.

But I think there are, I agree with Will.

Every single car needs something, and everyone's choice of what to do

will be different.

Okay, so there's levels to this.

See, if we're saying NX5, technically, the point is it works on that,

because you don't like NX5 if it's standard.

You don't like the actual car NX5.

No, I don't.

Exactly.

But because that car needs so much doing to it, whereas...

No, they don't.

No, that's another point.

It's like the E36.

You don't need more power, but if you go for better suspension

and maybe some chassis stiffening,

it becomes a good to...

It's a kind of fun car to chuck into corners.

You don't need to do what I did.

Okay, would you have that though?

I still wouldn't, because I like doing...

I like being dumb.

So then you don't like it from a factory?

No, but my list of requirements is different from a car than most other people's.

But that's the beauty of cars.

But I think most people would find some form of modification to do better.

Noise is often, that's like the...

Because that is the one thing that...

Because a factory could say they can perfect a chassis, if you know what I mean.

Like where it's like, this is meant to be the perfect handling thing for a road car.

And then someone goes and goes, ah, I'm going to go stick coilovers on it or make it whatever.

But noise is always the thing that a factory car, especially more modern stuff,

they cannot get right all the time.

Even if you're doing a slight modification, you're going to make it a little bit louder.

That's always the one.

That is normally the bare minimum, at least for a performance car anyway.

Like obviously, we're driving around in a transit van diesel.

With no rear-view mirror.

With no, that was not English.

No rear-view mirror.

You could add one.

Don't have to.

You could add one as a modification and you'd just be looking at the back of it.

It's a metal.

You're looking at your firewall.

But it's a good question.

I think it's fair.

There are some cars where I wouldn't feel a need to do much to.

Yeah.

Do you sometimes make them worse?

Oh, yeah.

I know, I would agree.

Sometimes I've modified something and then either you go back to or close to standard and you go,

yeah, this is better.

I thought I needed all these things.

I added those things and went, ah, actually, this is worse now.

Sometimes, but again, that is either you're making that sacrifice for looks or for some noise or for

some noise.

So Ben, V12 Vantage.

Leave it completely stand.

Touch nothing on it.

You don't want it to sit a little bit lower.

Spaces with little.

Yeah, it would look better.

But for me, that car's noise.

Spokes, they sound good, but it wouldn't be.

He wouldn't be for me.

But he needs to be aggressive.

That's the thing that boils down.

Anyone that feels anything towards a car as in you like cars,

it's because a car makes you feel something.

That is it.

Also, sorry, if you keep hearing this distant gonging sound effect,

we have new mic stands and every time you touch them, they just gently gong.

But yeah, every single person likes a car because it makes them feel something.

And what makes you feel things about cars is either sound, touch or.

Something you see.

Yeah, there's something there.

So you want to make that more.

You want to amplify it.

Actually, funny enough, we were talking about this with my dad,

actually at the weekend, talking about the M5 I used to have.

Because he owned the M5, he had it.

It was a really nicely specced F10 M5, but it was relatively standardish.

When he had it, I can't remember.

There was a, I think he put spacers on and a couple of other bits, but nothing too major.

But he just, he doesn't feel anything towards that car.

Whereas that's one of my favourite cars I've ever had.

That's my favourite car.

It was, I lowered it, spacers, it had downpipes on.

So it had, again, it had the noise and the looks.

So I feel away to that car that he doesn't feel at all.

Because it was just, it was an M5, so it's a bit big and lazy and a bit detached.

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Here it is on the screen.

And you know what?

The spec, it's anti-me.

It's black grills with black wheels.

But yet that car was so...

God, I will have an F10 M5.

Did that say 705?

705, yeah.

That was, and it could have been more than that.

But again, that was that car because of what I did to it.

It made it better.

It was...

Although I thought about that sometimes.

I thought, it's better to me because it's lairier.

But all it does is wheel spin.

It's got perfectly good tires.

All it would do is wheel spin.

So it is worse.

But I remember that car more because of how lairier it was.

Yeah, that's why it was my favorite car you'd ever owned.

Because you just touch it and it goes,

all right, I'm going to spin through fourth.

Yeah, that car would do that.

But that's what I mean.

That is the same car, but with four or five mods made memorable to me.

But another person goes, I don't care.

Just an M5.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Different strokes for different courses.

I think that's the...

No, that's possible.

Or different horses for different strokes, something like that.

Shall we get on to the big one?

Do I know what everyone's been waiting for?

Everyone, the retention on this podcast is up.

It's 100% stop touching.

But who's touching the mic?

That's Ben again.

That is a...

You know what that is?

That's the GTA3 sound effect when you pick up a weapon or something.

One big one, might be...

No, we're going to lose people.

You've worked so hard to keep the retention up.

It's true, I'll gently let go of it.

So this is a message from a man, possibly a man.

His name is Bryce.

That could also be a woman.

Sure.

Hello, Mrs. Bryce.

I'm not going to read out your entire message because it's very, very long.

But basically what he's saying is about cold start cycle.

Do you wait for it?

You say his OCD is that he wants to wait for it to finish and then move on.

Do you wait for it?

Or do you just start that bugger up and drive off?

Or do you wait 10 seconds?

Do you wait a minute?

Do you wait five minutes?

Can I say something?

I've heard before that this affects diesels.

But you shouldn't let a diesel idle.

Yeah, there's always...

There's all sorts of stuff all over the place.

Yeah, the diesel specifically shouldn't be idling.

You should get in a diesel.

Not like rag it, but draw it gently off.

Here's what I do.

I drop the oil first thing.

Morning, first thing of the morning, car off on the jack stands, drop the oil out.

I then go inside.

I put it in a microwave safe dish and I heat the oil up.

All right.

Usually around 80, 90 degrees.

I then do an oil filter change.

What about the coolant?

The coolant I leave.

That's why we're okay with that.

Or you leave the engine running.

Yeah, it's engine running the whole time.

With no oil in it.

To get the coolant up to 10.

I pour the oil back in, do a filter change and then I wait.

I think you haven't got to wait for it to warm up.

You can just get in the car and go.

And then literally as like pulling out the space, I'm 7,000 RPM.

Now I do that, but I bring the oil.

I'm a Formula 1 car.

Straight out of the pits.

For more efficiency, so I can obviously, I live quite far away.

So driving to the unit, I've got to get ready quite quickly so I can leave earlier.

So what I do is I bring the oil into the shower with me.

So it warms up with the residual heat.

It's not when you need to want to iron your shirt.

So you just hang it up on the bathroom.

A little bit of water in there as well.

Gets it a little bit less thick.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, because then it can circulate more easily.

And also that warm water helps sort of keep the engine warm as well.

The lubricity.

Yeah.

What I actually do is I just never turn the car off.

So when I go get home tonight.

Leave the car running.

I'll head and go to bed.

I might have to wake up around one or two and go get some petrol and keep it going.

And then that way when I come to it in the morning, it's still warm.

That's good.

I haven't put anywhere on the bearings.

Like a slow cooker.

What I've got, my garage is just full of radiators.

You guys like, it's like 80 degrees in there, but you drive in and the car just stays warm.

Now what I always thought was interesting is in Canada and lots of like very cold countries,

they have block heaters that they, like especially vans and big diesel trucks,

will have literally the thing that plugs into the block to keep the block warmish overnight.

It's interesting to me that that never became a thing for high performance cars.

Because obviously, while you wouldn't have it on normal cars,

my mum's not going to go, I've got to plug in the diesel heater on the outside.

The tire bomb was on.

Yeah, she doesn't want to deal with it.

But someone who, especially on a car that has like say an M5 that has rod bearing issues,

why is not one ever developed that?

Because there is a TVRs have oil heating systems that you can get retrofitted to them

so that you can start them warm, which is cool.

That's a cool idea.

It's aftermarket.

You can get them done on certain cars.

It was not something I ever really thought.

Again, the BMW thing, if you don't know, there's a thing with BMW M engines,

where they have very, very thin, very small rod bearing clearances,

which means that if the oil hasn't got up to 10 properly,

or you're revving it from cold, you're getting a lot of wear.

And that is across a lot of BMWs.

When I had an E92 M3, it is all people talk about.

46 m3 is rod bearing, it's basically.

But again, I was conscious of that.

So I would let it warm up for a few minutes before I'd do anything.

And again, you have a, so you're also something I didn't know,

again, until I had an E92 M3.

Cold start cycle.

So when you, when you start your car up in the morning,

and it revs to 1500, 1500,000, whatever it is your car revs to,

it's nothing to do with warming up your engine.

It's to do with cats.

Yeah, to warm the cats up.

It's a cat warming thing.

So if you ain't got any cats, you don't need that.

People map them out.

On my M5 and on the M3, I had it mapped out.

It's a bit, this is, cold start is quite cool.

Yeah.

Sometimes, but if you don't have cats, it's just because

it's better for a car just to start up an idle at 700, 800, whatever it is.

Straight away.

Rather than going, I'm going to rev at 1800 RPM for a minute.

Is that all right?

We're going to get everything warm.

How are you going to get it warm?

Just metal on metal.

Oh, we're just going to heat it up.

It's going to get really warm.

We're going to do this.

This is my logic there.

Guys, raise my voice.

So now I do try, but I get bored of waiting.

So in the Clio, I would always give it,

I always give the car at least 30 seconds just to sit.

Okay.

To let the, this isn't for temperatures,

just to get the oil pumping around the engine.

Yep.

Okay.

So less tolerance, but some engines like the S2000, for example,

that sits quite high on idle because of high revving engines.

So I guess maybe it's, I don't know if that makes difference,

but it sits quite on a cold start.

It's going to come up at 2000 RPM sometimes.

So, but for that, I'm like, well, then I could just drive it really gently

and it's doing the same thing, same revs, same everything.

As a, as a M3 owner of 46, they, they are very common to go.

My, I don't know if this is right,

but this is what I've always felt was, was the best.

Like what Will said, I'll start up for 30 seconds and then that's it.

And then straight to the red line.

Just the most red where, no, I'll start up and I will sit for 30 seconds

and I'll put my belt on.

I'll get my music credit or that sort of stuff at that time.

Yeah, I'll put the air.

I've got, I get dressed in the car.

Just let it warm up.

Well, you've been rushing around on my train.

You're on that train.

Exactly.

It's the Orcs belt.

You're like, I'll take that indoor for the night.

Every, mate, I've got to get used to doing that.

Why am I doing this?

No.

And then I will just, I will drive it and I'll just keep it under 3000 odd RPM

right up until it gets to 75 degrees or more.

And then it's, then I will go.

Now, Mike, I have a routine.

In the morning, what I'll do.

You wake up?

Whole morning routine.

Okay.

You look in your phone, but is wake up for, do you start with that?

Yes.

Always start with waking up.

Okay.

Yep.

And then when I get to my car, this is, we get a few steps.

Oh, okay.

I was going to say, just wake up and you just straight to my car.

I'm like, oh, okay, cool.

Um, I have, when I'm coming here, I have my rucksack and my laptop,

one of my stuff in for work.

What I do, is that like to sit when I'm in driving?

I don't know why, because it's in case you need to like,

it fell off or something, you can bring it back up.

It's on diagonal to me.

So what is this?

My rucksack, my coat.

Oh, okay.

I sit back seat.

So I'm obviously in the driver's seat, weirdly.

And so I'll put on the passenger side rear seat where my bag goes.

So what I do is I get to my car, open the door, put the keys in, turn it on,

pretty normal.

And then I walk around the car, put the bag in on the other side,

close the door, come back around and buy that.

But I haven't done that.

It's about 30 seconds.

So I'm then ready to go.

How big is your car?

Well, no, but like, I got to get in there, you know, open the door,

bag in, lay the coat out, make sure everything's sitting nice and roll around.

I'm going to say something.

Give the X5 a little pat.

I had to let before.

I don't believe it's worth doing or worth waiting on or caring

on a car that isn't known to have issues like that.

In America, I get it.

I start it up and I leave immediately.

I'm the, yeah.

In the 36, because I don't care about that engine.

Well, I bump start it sometimes on the key, because it's funny.

But I will literally turn it on and as the revs come up, I'm in first.

I'm going, because I don't care.

And it's fine.

Now you do need to give it at least 10 seconds.

Just get the oil.

You don't.

You do.

You don't.

You do.

Why?

But does not driving it a very low RPM?

Because let's say you're going to drive away somewhere up to two and a half,

3,000 RPM.

Is that not that much?

It's not that much more, but it's two or three times the amount of wear.

You're in normal engine.

It's going to wear on what?

Like you'll be surprised at how quick oil does get around in it.

Yeah.

But it's still going to, there's still going to be time where you're not.

Unless it's minus five outside, there is, it's not thick enough to just seize everything.

The other thing you have is, well, this is again, more on performance stuff.

Because you have people that will, let's say, again, this was something I read about

when I had that M3 is that you get people that will go, right, I'm going to warm this car up

up to operating temperature on my driveway.

So we're talking like, I don't know, five to 10 minutes.

And you go out for a drive or make gearbox oil, and your diff oil, and your tires,

and everything else is because you'll get some temperature in that,

but you will not get operating temperature in that.

Then your engine's up to 10 and you're like, right, off I go for a slap.

And your gearbox oil is going, hang on a sec.

Now that's actually interesting.

So do you remember when I bought the X5 off of you?

We went, I came back with you to your house to get it.

We were in the McLaren.

And I remember you saying like everything was up to temperature.

And we got quite far.

And I was like, well, that's John Mertoway, like John Mertoway.

You know what I mean?

And we were like, no, the gearbox isn't hot yet.

And it took a while for the gearbox to get up to temperature.

Well, so in things like that, if you're, I can't remember what car I had.

I think it might have actually been the M3 as well,

because I just have a gauge that would say gearbox temperature and stuff.

If you go straight onto a motorway, it actually takes a lot,

because normally you're just going to be sat in one gear,

but also because you'll have a gearbox cooler and whatever else,

you're just cooling it at that point.

So you kind of need gear changes, low rev.

It's like when we did the Cayenne gearbox oil change,

and you have to get it up to a particular temperature.

So you just have to run it through all the gears, but it was really low RPM.

So that's the other side of that is you can warm up the engine cool,

but if you go and sit in a...

But I remember thinking that's...

I didn't know that was like, well, I guess it's logical.

And tires as well.

But it was...

You go out on cold tires and then just floor it and go, oh.

Well, because that car, like we've driven from here to the motorway,

which is not that far, but it's...

We're going probably 10 minutes driving to get actually on the motorway.

And I remember thinking like, oh, wow, you've got a lot.

And then the car 10 years ago, is it gearbox, engine, and tires

it could tell you the temperatures of?

Yes.

And it was saying everything was warm, but the gearbox cold.

Yeah. So there you go.

So again, I don't have like a hard and fast rule for the car.

It's like some port, like the Gallardo, it worries me.

I'm like, I don't really want it, but I have driven that,

where I started out, let it idle for 10 seconds.

I let it come out of, even though I know it's for cats,

I guess it doesn't have any cats.

I let it come out of that because some cars drive...

Mr. Amity Man, it definitely has cats.

Some cars drive like shit in cold start.

Yeah.

So that car, if you even touch the throttle on cold start,

it just hangs at like 2K, which I do not want.

So I let it come out of that and then go and drive at 1,500 to 1,500 miles an hour.

Mike Lear used to drive really badly on cold start.

Yeah, he got really bad cold start, man.

If you drove off, because sometimes I was late

and I'd have to drive off basically straight away,

I remember the first gear change from first to second,

it would do like a little pop up the back,

because it just, it doesn't know what's going on.

Because the fueling changes on a cold start map on most cars.

But yeah, it's not a hard and fast thing.

It's just a good idea is not to get straight at it

and start redlining it, but you don't have to go too far.

You don't need to go mental.

Oh, I need to sit on the driveway for the next three, five minutes.

May I add to this?

I have another question on this line.

Turbocharged engines, if you're driving not hard, well, or hard,

but there is a thing, apparently, if you stop

and you should let your engine idle for a minute or two,

because it's something about the turbo.

Now, because I always think this when I get home from here,

because the X5 is turbocharged,

I've been driving that car for two hours home,

I park up and I go, should I just let this idle for a sec?

So it was a much bigger thing back in the day

when turbos didn't tend to have water cooling.

So nowadays, your turbo is oil cooled,

oil for the journals in the middle,

and then it has coolant running through the passage.

That's pretty typical of basically any modern turbo.

Well, any turbo that we've worked on,

maybe new stuff doesn't have it, I'm not sure.

But in only oil cooled turbos, when you would turn it off quickly,

and there was hot oil, hot oil would just sit inside the turbo

and just cook, basically.

That's why it was bad.

So you'd have people would fit turbo timers.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And that's what that does.

You take the key out your car,

you can lock your key car and walk away,

your engine's still running.

So you'd set a timer on it of two minutes,

four minutes, five minutes,

and the engine would just keep going.

And then after a while, it would turn itself off

to cool down for the oil to cool down.

So that's not actually that big of an issue.

But now with water cooling, it tends to be fine.

And especially on a normal car that you're not,

like motorway stuff, it's fine.

You'll be completely fine.

It's for people who are like tracking the shit out of their car.

Or the X5, you know?

You know, 315s of the rare.

Shuck it down, Brown's hat.

I would, even on a car that had water cooling,

I would, if I came off a track and it's turbo,

I'd let it sit for just a minute or two,

just to, especially if you have a readout for oil temps

to see it come back down and then turn off.

Because, but yeah, nowadays it's not that big of an issue.

Most of the, I remember hearing about that a lot.

It's like, don't turn off.

Don't turn off.

That's why I let that cool down for a bit.

I'm like, brother, we're good.

Good, I've had to be doing nice car speeds.

I've had to be doing 8000 RPM.

Yeah, don't just do a 9000 RPM pull and go,

right, off it goes.

Dumb.

In I go, gotta take the aisle out.

So, was that worth the wait?

I think that was.

Oh, sure.

I think that was worth the hour wait.

We did have a one-to-the-week to end on.

Let's have that.

Let's have it.

Ben, and you don't, you don't know what yours is,

so I'm putting it on you right now.

I do know what mine is.

Oh, your arm.

It is a C606 Corvette.

Oh, it's the same as every other week.

I just want one.

I won't have one, but I want one.

They are cool.

But again, is it over the V12 Vantage?

No.

Okay.

Here's how I foresee my future.

May I?

Please, a little palm reading, is it?

Yes.

I foresee myself.

This is what I'd like.

If I can, obviously, it involves much money,

so it may not never happen in this way.

But in an ideal world, I would like to go S2000.

Perhaps then we'll go.

A message on Facebook.

Yeah, a little message, a message.

That's the C606 Corvette.

Yeah, a couple of low balls.

And then Facebook as well.

Go from that to a KMS.

Okay.

So itch that scratch.

Not a 9-11.

Then, possibly, well, I need to see whether I itch that scratch,

or if it's a bit more itching.

I then might go a 9-11, or possibly then to a Corvette,

because that's crazy, wild.

And then V12 answers the ultimate car for me.

Because I think, well, C606, what?

You can get them for 4, 4, 4, 4.

But how much longer is the question?

How long?

It's quite a sophisticated sort of level up.

It's quite normal.

10,000 came and 11.

And you go, oh, hell, I'm going to have my C606.

What you're doing is you're doing the scene through glass

Supercars of London arc.

And then you pop into Keith S. McFarlane from it,

and then you pop right back out to the V12 monster.

Yes, you're back.

That may never happen, any of that.

But that's my...

No, that'll happen, Ben.

You have to set sights.

I know you believe this, but that would be my ideal set.

Because also, it's noise.

I just like my favorite V8 noise.

It's the best.

Would you be upset if we either for the channel

or ended up personally buying one?

Would you be upset?

Yes.

Yeah?

Because I have, I said this before on the podcast.

What's that?

My thing about podcast.

Yes, you don't like them less.

I have to recap on that.

I've had a thing I mentioned before.

I have this thing where if we...

I like cars, if we buy a car...

No way.

I don't know.

If we buy a specific car for the channel

and we work on it, even if I still like it for that,

I then don't want one.

I don't know what it is.

It's the same as the box that we had.

I don't want one after that.

And I fear that we will buy something like a C606,

well, then I don't know if I have to look at it,

because I have to spend hours editing looking at it

and I have to stand here and film it.

So I don't know if it's that

or I then end up knowing too much about it.

I still have this thing with a...

This is all American stuff in the UK.

This year, because we've driven a few American cars,

I've come round to them.

I like them.

There's many I like now.

But I still can't get on board.

But there's still a thing where an American car in the UK

feels a bit wrong.

In the US, I'm like, cool, this all feels right.

But then I see it on the A404.

We had a crazy man behind the wheel.

We had a conversation about this exact thing

with this exact car the other day.

And I said that I couldn't have one in the UK

because it's wrong and it is wrong.

But I'm probably never going to live in the US.

Therefore, it's for me.

We can go there.

But for me, it's a case of,

okay, then in that case,

I'm either going to have to be called that man in the UK

or just never have one.

That's the thing.

I think only a Z06E6 really for me,

or a Terminator Cobra,

I'd deal with the American car.

Because it's a real slice of check your hard drive.

Oh, yeah.

It's just tough.

And if you're an American car owner in the UK,

you should be aware enough,

self-aware enough to know that it's true.

The majority of the American car...

They're very nice people.

They're incredibly nice people.

But they're weird.

They're weird people.

Just look at the man behind the wheel

when you see that American car here in the UK.

Just look at them and tell me,

you don't think there's a little something in their past

that might put them in prison?

It doesn't suit the surroundings of the car as well.

I have that.

But UK plates, UK...

There's something that is the vibe.

Yeah.

There's a mismatched vibe.

He's an alien, a legal alien, but an alien nonetheless.

Yeah.

There you go.

I think it's a problem though because you fit the vibe.

Okay, interesting.

No, I think...

No, this is...

We were saying the other day, if you are not a visual watcher,

if you're a listener, Ben...

All I can tell you is that Ben could not suit a C6 Corvette.

You do not...

You will not work in one.

But I'd love to see it.

I think you do.

And what's worse?

No, no, no.

I think it's possibly worse.

It's much worse to suit a Corvette than it is not in the UK.

When we filmed about a year ago,

the finale video with the Zafira

and the Crossfire and Will bought you that trucker hat.

You look like the most American man I've ever seen in my life.

And it suited you.

Yeah, and I'm not happy about that.

But what it does mean is that I can only see C6 Corvette

and do silly burnouts.

And when a very English policeman pulls me over, I can go,

I'm sorry, sir.

I didn't mean to do that.

And they'll go, on your way, son.

Because I want a Z06 with a 360 cam on the back and skinny tires out front

and slicked up welds on the back.

And you'd get away with it in the UK for about three seconds.

Oh, yeah, you're done before you are locked up

and before the M4 average speed check cameras track you down to your house

and put you in prison.

Now, tell me, perhaps once a week from now.

William, I have one.

I don't know what it is.

What is it?

No, no, no, I don't want to know.

No, no, I don't want you to say it

because you just heard the beginning of it

and I want to see if it's correct.

It's that yellow moose lager.

Oh, no, yeah, it is that.

But it is always that.

I mean, that is every day.

There was one that I can't ever say it was.

Did you see the price of it?

It was 400 grand.

Yeah, it's 400 grand.

It's a real tough one.

It's tough.

And people with money are asking for them and want them

and I want none of that.

I want you to all understand you haven't earned them.

You don't need them.

It's not necessary.

There's other things out there for which people to buy.

Do you know what it is?

They don't actually want them.

They just want, they want to be part of the gang.

That is it.

It is now we want to be part of the gang.

We've been talking about it.

Mercy Lago is the popular crowd now.

It is.

People are going, I'm Mercy Lago winner.

I'm going to catch them on that dip.

When everyone goes, I don't want this anymore.

You're buying the dip.

But when they get their first clutch change and I'll be there,

but they're rich, so they're going to pay.

So you say, yeah, no, but some of them aren't.

Are you telling me?

Some of them will be bankrupted like you.

Some of them will be bankrupted by,

to be fair, I have, when I looked into Mercy Lago stuff,

I was, it makes owning a Glado look like owning a Fiesta 1.25 style.

It is, it is a biblical, some of the cost.

But okay, just, just want to look at my real one.

Sorry, Garnier here also has the engine is back.

It's a Clio V6.

Is it?

I've got the same worry with those that

at current speaking, there is one for sale,

at least on auto trailer.

There's a couple others elsewhere,

but there are a handful now for those,

for those people that don't know what is a Clio V6.

So that is a second generation Clio, a facelift,

or at least this is a phase two, which is the one I like.

They took a regular Renault hatchback,

the small hatchback that you could buy,

and they put a V6 in the back,

and made it real well drive,

in the boot, which is ridiculous.

So it's coup, coup, it's two seats, it's ridiculously wide.

Yeah, so they, they wide-bodied it.

So the roof is still,

if you look at the roof in the kind of top of the doors,

it's just a Renault Clio.

But then what, what is it, 80 mil?

Something utterly ridiculous.

If you, when you open the door on a Clio on the V6,

because I think the doors, they're all,

it's all been extended out here,

because it, it goes flush into the rear arch.

There was a huge sale.

It's micro supercar, but they're very, very rare.

And at one point they were very, very cheap.

When I say cheap, but they were like 15, 20, 25 grand,

which for something like as exclusive that is very, very cheap.

Now, the cheapest one sale I've seen is about 58.

There is a phase one, which I think is uglier.

But they are slightly cheaper.

But again, they're going to end up being collectible.

But so I'm, I'm, I'm now on a mission to figure out how it's possible

to get an investment car.

Because I want a Clio V6 one.

I just want to, I want, I've driven one a years ago.

And I just thought it was ridiculous.

It didn't drive well, but it was, it was just insane to have a V6.

It felt like you're driving someone's kit car.

Yeah.

Someone went, I've just stuck a V6 in the back of my Clio.

I also think they are one of the few cars that is,

they are, they gain the respect of super and hypercar owners

while being well punching, well blow their way.

You can turn up Supercar Driver,

which you know, the one that we went to with all the seven Veyrons.

You can turn up in a V6 Clio and people are still going to go,

that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

You can come in with us.

But it worried me a lot when we went to Monterey and saw them.

Yeah.

And that's what I thought.

Okay.

I don't like the way this smells,

because when they start disappearing off the market,

off to America,

is because these are about two to three years, most of them anyway.

So in the next like three to four years,

they will all be available to go to the US.

And there's only a few hundred UK cars.

There are obviously some left and drive ones,

but I just think that is such a cool car that I'll be very upset if I never own.

That is a, that is a, tell your grandkids about,

that one time Renault did this mental car.

You don't see him anymore.

That's never happening again.

Even in the last 10 years, that's not happened.

It's just, you can make as many wide body electric things as you like Renault.

Yeah.

It's not a V6 in the boot.

Can we end on yours, Evan?

We can.

I have two that I've been talking about for the last few weeks.

I have my, the car that I believe honestly sums me up and that I am probably most corrected on this

earth.

And that is a ranger of a classic in Beluga Black.

It has to be a, well, a five door, a short one.

Beluga Black.

Beluga.

That's just not, Beluga whales aren't Black.

That's a good point.

It should be, what are they called?

What killer whales called?

An orca.

Orca Black.

That sounds quite cool as well.

Yeah.

But a, a ranger of a classic is just, I just love it.

Like absolutely.

Essex boys.

Exactly.

And I've just, there is one on Facebook with far too much money.

It's between that.

I'm not, because I'm looking at dailies at the moment.

I'm, I'm content with the cars I own.

I'm content with the fact that I'm selling most of them.

But I still need a car to run around day to day in.

And I don't want my landlord seeing me turning up to this new place

that my girlfriend and I renting in a slam d36 looking like a BTCC car.

I think I might get kicked out.

Which I mean, I'm not saying that's much better.

But you can, but still it's got old money vibes.

You can feign an air of shooting.

On the weekend.

Morning.

And the other car, which is very left field for me, is a C7 Audi A6 all-road.

I just have.

Oh, hello.

How do you go to the Vatican?

Interesting.

See more Pope.

Very good.

That is the name of the deal of this photo is from.

But I just, they, they're so smart to me.

And the reason I was saying it to Will is that it is an all-road,

if you don't know, is the lifted up off-road, you know,

high clearance version of an A6.

But what it does have is it has wide arches.

So you're essentially getting a wide body A6 with air suspension

that you can map to low down for A6 money instead of RS6 money.

And you can either get them with a three-liter diesel,

or you can get them with a three-liter supercharged V6.

My budget is looking at the bottom of the market.

In fact, I'm trying to haggle with a man on a 220,000 mile one.

Nice.

But I just, I don't know.

I have this weird, it's so smart.

Air suspension.

All of them are air suspension.

Standard ones on a standard A6 as well is not air suspension.

You can't get air suspension on an A6 except for an all-road,

which is what I'm, I'm feeling a, I'm feeling a return to my stance nature.

I want something on silly big wheels that sits nicely.

I think it was your CL.

After seeing your CL and remembering how nice and modern car is sometimes,

you know, it was a stark contrast between my wing and my rear view mirror falling off in my A36.

So hopefully in the future, a Range Rover is the big thing for me.

I just want one.

I'd be so happy.

Also, TVR engine and turbo.

Hey, who knows?

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Ben is giving me the nod.

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