C.R.E.A.M. #70 - Ben's Apology, Exotic Car Colours and Ferrari's EV

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Just send us things you're doing while creaming.

Oh, yeah.

Hello, and welcome back to the cream podcast, the 70th Cars Rule Everything

Around Me podcast with myself, Will Edwin to my right and Ben behind the camera

or in front of the camera, whichever way you'd like to see it.

At the beginning of every single one of these podcasts, we ask ourselves,

do cars rule or ruin our lives this week?

Edwin, where you at?

I'm going to say rule firstly because Ben interrupted you on the intero and

that's we told you not to do that.

Did I do that again?

He did that.

Never.

He's going to be sick with power.

No, secondly, because I finally sold the Evo this weekend to my friend, Will,

and we swapped over cars.

I dropped him the Evo.

He dropped me my 316i saloon auto, horrible E36.

No, fantastic.

Also my favorite car on earth.

Like for like.

It's a fair deal taking.

So we then did a quick second channel video looking around that car,

seeing if it's all happy and it was all happy.

It's all happy.

And then we finished that video.

The car was up on the lift and I had left the ignition on.

We left that on.

Came back to about six or seven hours later and the battery was dead.

Oh, well happens to the best of us.

So put a jump back on it.

Car, I'm back.

I've got my lights.

I'm ready.

Turn the key and it went.

No, you're missing something.

I'm not turning.

That's the last word.

All right.

Maybe the battery's just dead.

I put it on on the like trickle charger overnight, came back in the morning.

Battery.

I'm ready to go, boss.

I'm happy.

I'm ready.

Turn the key.

Just nothing.

So I believe that the key, the key in this, in the old E36 has like a,

it's called EWS has like a security module in it that

registers with the ring in the car.

And they go, I know you, you know me.

You can start the car.

We've met.

They don't know each other right now.

So they're going, I'm not starting.

You're not my key.

Smitted the dementia from the.

So you're not helpful.

Not great.

Okay.

That's broken.

The tires are bold on my E36.

My white E36.

Quite bold.

Really quite bold.

Like impressive.

Impressive.

And do you know, I've explained to you why it's because I did the alignment myself.

So I need to, I think I'll get someone else to do it this time.

And then what else is there?

There's something else.

Oh, my E36, my M3 is still not available yet.

It's still having head gasket work done.

Has the 3.0 video been out yet?

The yellow, green, my bingle.

No, no, no.

On Monday, as you're listening to this on Monday coming,

there'll be a video on your green clear.

I won't say anything yet.

We'll wait.

Maybe it's in the scrap heap.

Maybe it's dead.

So rule for me, William.

I will have to say a rule.

I will say a rule.

I will say rule.

I've ordered a load of bits for the clear.

Like far too many bits, really.

That is going off to have cam belt service done

and gearbox rebuild and a quay for diff and other cool things.

And I've ordered many mods and other things.

So I can't wait to get started on that.

It'll be away for a little while.

Well, as that done, then I'll come back.

What else has happened?

My Range Rover did, I don't know if I mentioned this before,

but Range Rover had a brake fluid issue.

This wasn't brake fluiding anymore.

But if that's sorted, that's now sorted.

It's back.

I need to bleed them properly.

What else is there?

McGann.

We don't talk about them.

No.

The Clio is there to replace the McGann

because we can't talk about them.

No, McGann will return.

It will return this year, I believe.

Oh, yeah.

You'd hope so.

It's the beginning of February.

So we would hope so.

And that's all.

And yes, actually, I have sold the CL.

CL is sold because I'm on a mission to buy something else.

But off it goes.

Are you going to speak on what you're buying?

Do you know what?

Yes, I will, because I'm frustrated at the market right now.

Here we go.

Basically, me and my dad were considering going halves

on a Focus RS Mark I, because they're very, very cool.

I've always wanted one.

Sorry, snakes for no reason.

I was going to say simply lovely.

We've both had Mark IIs before,

but a Mark I is just nice.

And they're at sort of an odd point of the market,

where they're not cheap by any means.

If you want a low mile one, you're getting your pants pulled down.

You're paying 30, 40 grand, basically.

But if you don't mind mods, which I don't,

I'd actually prefer a more fun one,

because I think it'd be a more exciting car.

You can get one quite cheap, but there's not many.

When's it going to see one in, I don't want to say where.

When's it going to see one that was basically the cheapest one for sale?

It was up.

It was Red Flags Galore.

So I made it an offer on it.

He totally refused it and said he'd rather break it for bits.

Now, can you please talk about his stance while driving?

There is a Ford stance.

There is.

It's sort of Ford and Vauxhall, but it's quite Ford.

I recognise it in Ford, where the Macrest not needed.

No, you can have it.

The Macrest is quite reclined, just for sort of vibes alone,

but they lean forward and then the hand and the arm sort of curves over the steering wheel.

So you're sort of, you're almost steering with all your arm as well.

Yeah, your forearm.

Your chest is nearly touching the steering wheel.

And your head is quite far forward.

You're sort of, you're looking around.

You don't really know what you're looking at,

but you're looking, it's like you're looking for a parking space,

as if you've got a very long bonnet, but you're in a focus.

That was the sort of sort of Ford stance.

And then you took me down the road in it,

completely uninsured, untaxed, everything.

This was 450 horsepower.

It was quite cool, I'm honest.

I was almost sold on it.

And it may be warmed up for five minutes, not a lot of time.

No, really not enough time for oil to go.

For a 450 horsepower car.

Yeah.

And then a sort of first, second, third gear wheel spinning pull down the road.

And I was a bit like, you know what, that was cool.

But that, you know, it's a lot of power on a standard engine.

Is it going to go up?

So yeah, that was a no-go.

There's another one up north.

That was a no-go.

So if anyone knows anything about anything at all,

about a Mach 1 Focus RS for sale, for good money, I'm talking like

sub 15 or 16 grand, basically.

Mileage isn't the end of the world.

As long as it's not rusty.

Mods, I don't really care about.

Something that is a little project, but nothing, no super.

There is a couple of pieces of shit.

And it cannot have an ST170 engine.

Because that's whatever.

There was one on Copa, ST170 engine that was knocking.

For not only did it have the wrong engine, it had a knocking wrong engine.

So yeah, there's a few very cheap ones about,

but if anyone knows any off-market ones, send them my way.

Now I have a feeling I know what Ben's going to be.

Do you want me to say?

Yeah.

I'm a ruin.

Oh, why is that then?

Nothing major.

I don't think I just have a boot full of water in my Golf.

Because VW designed the Mark VII Golf and went,

cool, it's good to go.

Actually a great car.

Make it leak from seven different locations.

So I'm just slowly going through that.

The main leak point, which is the classic,

is like vents behind the red bumper.

Haven't done those yet.

So I've been driving them that way and it's just filling up with water.

Lovely.

Yeah.

So I need to do that, but I have the bits of that now.

And I tried to get it aligned.

Oil.

Oh, yeah, it's got oil.

Oh, how's that?

Yeah, I checked it.

I checked the car.

And then when you get to your destination, do it still have oil?

Yeah, I checked it.

And the car.

Because I've checked it a lot recently.

And the car thinks it has oil.

But the car's cool.

Well, I checked it on Saturday.

Okay.

And I checked it on the day.

Okay.

And the car agrees with you.

Your prognosis, the guy goes,

you can car.

Yeah.

It said to me, check me.

Oh, okay.

But I think the car knows what happened with the F2000.

It's just being a bit scared.

Yeah.

So he's just like, can you just check it again?

Yeah, just check it again.

Because I don't know, I'm relying on the big piece of meat

behind the wheel to check that.

Well, is it not a good practice for me to have a car that wants oil regularly?

And then you check it and it's quite clearly fine.

Yeah.

But it's still going.

Not sure.

That is an interesting one.

I don't know about that, but anyway.

The, what was I gonna say?

Yeah, I checked it for an alignment on Saturday, which was great.

Well, that was...

I went to the alignment.

I was like, I said to my dad, I was like, oh.

And this was a popular, well-known alignment sort of place?

Yeah.

Yeah, it was like a specialist for alignment.

So, like, you know, they know just how to book an alignment, right?

It's pretty easy.

It was a very, I wouldn't say who, but it was a known garage chain.

Hmm.

Maybe orange.

Perhaps.

Easy for him.

It was easy.

Yeah.

Easy, easy services.

That's what it was.

I got there and I had an appointment for 3.30 and walked in.

And what time did you get there?

I got there at 3.23.

Okay.

So, I said 10 minutes before it was a bit late.

I was a bit worried.

I was a bit late.

I said, yeah, whatever.

So, got there.

I said, I got a booking for 3.30.

I said, oh, that's weird.

Weird when at 12.30.

I said, that's odd because I hear my mother says I was booked in for 3.30.

Also had to prepay.

So, I paid the first as well.

Cool.

And then they said to me, yeah, well, actually, your appointment was 9.30 AM.

So, your drop off time was 3.30 PM, which I said, hi, what?

And she went, yeah, no, you have to drop the car at 3.30 PM.

But then it gets done.

It will get done.

Then we go back in time.

Back in time at 9 AM.

And we do it.

Yeah.

And I said, okay.

And then they didn't do it.

Wouldn't do it.

I literally said, what?

I don't want to say it.

Go on.

But I did tell you so.

Ben came to me and said, I'm going to book it in front.

Shut up.

Did you say that?

Don't even, don't even.

No, no, no, no.

He said, I'm going to book it in.

At this place.

No.

Orange place.

And I said, I wouldn't do that.

I wouldn't do there.

I wouldn't do the blue one.

I wouldn't do any of those ones because you are going to get Ben chose again.

Once again, path of least resistance.

No, it's true.

He typed it in on Google.

You know, he didn't even get past the advertiser bit.

He just clicked the advertiser one and he went, that'll do.

Give me a slot at this time.

You said to me, don't do that.

And that's fair.

If I get how I'm done.

No, right.

Let me tell you something.

You're right.

You told me not to do that, which is different to what you're saying.

If I get the alignment done and it's bad, totally fair is what you said.

But you didn't say, won't go there.

That booking system is terrible.

Mate, they're going to book you there.

I didn't say that.

The overall experience is not very good.

Well, I booked it again for this ad.

So, same thing.

Different place.

This one was in Wales.

So, you are a buffoon of catastrophic nature.

Sorry.

It's a golf.

If they can't allow a golf, they shouldn't be open.

I don't like any.

They don't know if they are open.

No, she said to me that apparently.

You literally thought they do time travel.

And you went, that's fine.

I just go around.

You went, oh, so you do believe in time travel.

Any way you could book me in yesterday.

I didn't actually think you were doing time travel.

Anyway, she told me the booking system is broken,

which is something that you probably should fix.

But fine.

That's your problem.

Yeah.

And then I had a call.

Had a call today.

We were filming.

Had a call today from a call center related to these people.

And they said, hi, I'm sorry about your experience on Saturday.

We'd like to rebook you in.

I said, that's great.

They said, we can give you some appointments where we'd like to go.

I told them the location and I said in Bristol and they said,

oh, we got like probably three or four of these only in Bristol.

When we got to be there, I said Saturday.

No problem.

Saturday sounds good.

She went, we got nothing for you.

Anyway, I was going to refund and then hung up on me.

I was like, okay, perfect.

So anyway.

But you're still going there though.

Yeah.

So you went, you know what?

No, of course.

Ben heard the phone like big foot down tone and went,

right, which other one of these kind?

Where would you go?

Hey, he went on Google.

Anyone.

He got the advert.

Oh, anyone.

Okay, fine.

Well, that's what I've done.

Anyone that is a local specialist alignment shop or a tire shop,

a tire lots of tire shops will do it.

Yeah, that's true.

This is a tire shop.

No, actually not.

Sorry.

Because the tire shop, I went, I had a line on the X5 done at a tire shop,

a chain tire shop.

Chain tire.

Like a, like a, like a, there's a problem.

Well, then why are they a chain?

Because they're for NPCs to get there.

Sorry.

I'm not doing this.

I'm not going, I'm not living in the world where I go into a place that is meant to do something.

They can't do it.

As like, it's like walking into Tesco's and then going,

oh, we forgot about all of the groceries.

Yeah.

They're gone.

And then you going, oh, I'm going to go to the local corner shop.

That's where you got to get your food from.

Mate, that's where you should be going.

No, I'm going to, alignment specialist.

Great.

I had it done on, on, on, on.

Get that.

Get, get on the.

On the clear.

He wants Auto Works to do the golf.

Just setting up the golf.

Just to lean into that corner.

Bristol GP.

Anyway.

M4 southbound.

No, are you more southbound or are you more northbound?

I'm going to change the tow for you.

Sort of what part of the equator you want here?

Like, what are we talking?

Are you mainly a left lane or are you kind of middle lane?

Because we'll set up the camber a little bit for that.

We're like NASCAR.

And it's just going down the road.

The wheel's slightly turned.

So I'm going to go and get it done on Saturday.

Well, we will see and I'll update you next podcast.

Then manage us to find the ruin.

In the most rule of nature.

Sorry.

It's, it's a, it's a golf alignment.

Has perfectly working car basically.

My, over.

It's over.

It's over for the golf.

We are so over.

We're doing another video next week.

The boot is a bit annoying.

That is annoying.

Yeah.

But that's, you know what?

When we gave you that car, I had a dry boot.

That's all I'll say.

You are the destroyer of cars.

You are a, a crush.

What do you mean I've been getting your buckets of water

and pouring you the boot just a bit?

I think you've just, I think you've just been

leaving wet socks and things.

No, I've been driving on the mudway.

He gets home, leaves the boot open.

It goes, might see that in the morning.

Right.

I've been driving on the mudway.

With the boot open.

Which is wet.

But anyway, it's not interesting.

But I need to place those events.

So I'll do it next week.

Okay.

And you, you're planning on doing that yourself.

A rear bumper coming off?

I don't know how.

So, yeah.

Well, I mean, I don't know if we're helping.

No, I don't know if it you are,

but I'll do it one even next week.

I'm just scared of it going mouldy.

Like actually scared of it going mouldy.

I keep checking it to make sure there's no mould in there.

It's all right.

Mould will take a little time.

Yeah.

Do you think?

Yeah.

Unless you usually are using it regularly

and you're airing it out.

And it's just in the boot.

It's in the spare wheel well.

So it's like dark.

Yeah.

Just suck that out.

Get the old wet vac on it.

Sucking the vacs on it.

Well, my plan is to take it all out,

completely clean it out.

The whole interior.

Completely clean out the boot carpet.

And then fix the issues.

I've got, I've got like three more things to fix up there.

You're probably putting a bean bag in there.

Oh, I love a bag of beans.

I have a bag of beans in the front though.

Oh, that makes sense.

Move that.

No.

First, first idea.

Move that with the back.

Yeah, because it would suck up some of them.

But then all the water will be in the dashboard.

I see you're fair.

That would make some sense, would it not?

Like temporarily.

No.

No, that's fair.

No, you make a great point.

Shall we do some other bits?

Yeah, let's move on.

Let's move on.

Ben said, all right, enough of that.

Thank you.

Enough of that.

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Back to it.

First thing on things and stuff and what such,

Edwin, you've put in here,

G underscore Loverage is the creaming of the weeks.

Mr. G underscore Loverage is the man who did the commentatorship

on Chelsea Walsh and he messaged me and said,

Kat, you actually asked for creamer of the weeks.

Unfortunately, you're not going to get creamer of the week,

but you will get a shout out.

Okay.

Because no, you can't ask for creamer of the weeks,

not how it works.

Yeah, that's fair.

But you can apply to win an Oscar.

That's kind of how you do it.

Of course, but you don't say can I win the Oscar.

Can I have the Oscar?

You say...

I think it's implied when you...

I want to be considered.

This is for consideration.

You don't say...

But is that not what he said?

No, he said to me, this is for...

Well, maybe he did say consideration of creamer of the week.

Either way, you're not having it.

No.

He said, I was listening.

Here's a photo.

We've got photo proof and there is a video,

but I can't open it.

What car is this?

He's in the brand new Land Cruiser,

the press Land Cruiser,

which is apparently 80 grand's worth of Land Cruiser.

He was listening to the podcast while doing doughnuts in it.

No.

That's nice.

Do you know what?

I like that.

No, do you know what?

You are creamer of the week.

There you go.

Overruled.

Ben, well...

Okay, fine.

All right, fine.

I can't do that, but I have.

So there we go.

You know what?

As according to Ben,

you're the creamer of the week.

But shout out.

Just a quick one.

That's kind of cool.

I thought this may open up an opportunity to...

This may end badly.

Yeah, looks like a legal activity.

But you know, just send us things you're doing while creaming.

Oh.

Yeah.

Why not?

No, that's fair.

No, yeah.

Yeah, do you know what?

Send it in anyway.

We'll have a look.

But nothing explicit, please.

No, we'll have a look.

We'll be allowed to.

All right, send us a look.

No, we'll have a look.

We'll be allowed to.

Next up, Edwin, inches, comments.

Now, just a very small tangent.

We talked in episode 68, I want to say.

Yeah, just prior to 69, Ben's belief.

Oh, no, it might have been last week.

Either way, Ian, sorry, all 68,

about what the best tablet size was.

And I fully forgot what that conversation was about.

And we said in there,

put in your comments about the inches.

And I just happened to be sitting on the sofa

going through the comments.

I opened the comments and went,

what is everyone talking about?

Someone wiped my mind.

And I stared at it for maybe 30 seconds.

And it's for so long that my girlfriend walked in and went,

what's wrong?

I went, what?

She went, why do you look so upset?

I said, I don't understand what these comments are.

Because you were so impressed.

I had to go down.

I'm in 14 inches.

Do you know what?

The comments did exactly as we asked.

They didn't give it away.

They didn't say anything about screen size.

They just talked about inches.

So another shout out to the Creamers.

You're doing it right.

Following the rules.

Thanks so much.

As instructed.

The army of Creamers saying yes.

Thank you for ensuring that anyone

whose first time it was listing to the podcast that week

was completely baffled.

Clicking on that, looking at the comments going,

this podcast isn't...

Let me just look through the comments

to see if I can summarize this podcast.

Oh, no.

No.

Nine inches.

14 inches.

Eight inches.

I'd subscribe.

No.

That's impressive.

Impressive.

Fnoos from Ben.

I don't know where the F is coming from.

Breakups involved here.

Ben, you've said here C63 axed

and replaced by the C53.

This is what we call in the industry a madness.

Okay.

A mad thing.

Doing up a madness.

Yes.

I'll find it for you.

Basically, the gist of it is, is the...

Is it?

The gist of it is the C63 has been replaced by the C53.

And why is there a lot of...

Fine.

Why aren't you telling me the same?

Basically, a C63...

Used to be a V8.

Very good V8.

Everyone loved it.

And then the materials went,

this is selling well.

Everyone likes it.

Let's replace it with a four cylinder.

Lovely.

Hybrid thing.

And it is quicker.

And it is, it is...

Drove on recently.

Drove on recently at Mercedes-Benz World.

And it is exceptionally fast, but God.

Now, here's my question to you.

Would you be, would you accept it if it was a C43?

That's exactly what I was.

If it was a C43, I wouldn't care.

Because I don't care what they are.

But the 63...

He's for the big guy.

Has to have the V8.

It has to have a V8.

Were it twin turbo, quad turbo, one turbo, no turbo.

Whatever it is.

Wacker God.

I don't care if you put 200 horsepower V8 in it.

No.

It has to have the V8.

I do, actually.

Yeah, I'd like it.

You can blame me.

I was quite fast.

But anyway, I drove that car, it was cool.

It's just, it's like exceptionally heavy.

And yeah, it's just...

There's something wrong when you see that.

Because it looks great.

And you get in it and you start it and it doesn't make a noise.

Then you drive away and the engines start.

Do you know what?

The marketing's worked.

Because 53 to me...

53 to me now is a V6.

But 53...

No, they're 43 a bit of V6.

53 is V6.

It was before, I think, of V6.

Then 43 is...

I thought 43 was always the V6.

I thought 43 is also a V6.

Well, anyway, what I'm saying is that the 50 somethings are now to me non-V8.

But yet 55 is the OG.

That's fair.

An E55 is the big dog.

But now 63 is that big number.

They should just keep going.

Like what they did in the 90s.

70.

73.

But also the C63 name had...

I mean, it doesn't even make sense with the 40, really.

It kind of made some sense when it was the sort of sense with the 6.2.

A 6.2-litre inline 4.

Yeah.

No, it's...

Sorry.

That's been one of the great mistakes.

I was searching, so I overheard that and my brain went...

Is that...

What?

No, no way.

It's a tractor.

But yeah, they're replacing the C63.

Because weirdly, no one bought the car.

They removed the one thing everyone loved about it.

You're joking.

So they're replacing it with the C53, which is an inline 6.

So we're getting better.

An inline 6.

But we're...

BMW watching it.

B58.

Out here.

So I'm sure that will sell better.

My neighbour has something.

He's got a C...

I don't know what it is.

It's either a 43 or a 53.

And it's got some sort of spicy pipe on it.

And it sounds quite nice.

Spicy pipe.

It sounds quite nice, but I accept...

I don't want one because they look like a normal C car.

Yeah, they do.

They don't have big ass shoulders and what such.

But yeah.

No, before so then they can get in the bin.

Sorry, just going to quickly check here for us.

Okay.

C53 AMG C43 is a twin turbo V6 in a W205,

which is the C-Class previous generation.

So that's what 43 is.

This is also an E53.

And then 53 now is an inline 6.

But that's the big boy now.

Yes.

Sad.

You know what?

If you can make it a B58 rival,

where it's straight up piping an email and what such.

Don't it's really annoying though,

about the engine that's in that C-Class is it's actually...

You put that in something else smaller.

Well, I know it's in the A-Class,

but it is more tuned than that.

I think that is the most powerful two-liter,

most powerful four-cylinder or something,

even if you take the hybrid stuff away.

But like that's something to write home about.

Yeah.

If it was in the A-Class or if it was in something smaller or whatever.

But when you put it in a C63...

It takes how much it takes how special it is.

You're giving it a direct comparison.

You're going was a V8 now a bit like a 4.

If it's not a completely new car, fine.

Yeah.

Do you know what's interesting is that no one...

There was a bit of an uproar,

but when you went from the E92 to the F-Series BMW,

and you went from a V8 to an inline 6, no one...

But at least it was.

Yeah, before.

But still, it was very special.

And then it went boring.

But it's just the four-cylinder is always worse.

There'd be less uproar if it was a V6 probably.

But the thing is it's such a C63...

Where M3 was again, it was a four-cylinder.

So it's kind of had all of its different iterations.

Whereas C63 started with a 6.2-litre V8.

So you've got to slow down and just fix it.

Do something else.

What we got next?

Tax in April.

Have you heard that in April the VED, Ben stands for?

Vehicle.

Yeah.

Extradition.

Lovely.

Duty.

Correct.

Axis.

Yep.

Axis, duty.

Or eggs and duty.

Oh, is that an eggs duty?

That's fair.

Vehicle, excise, duty has gone up.

So in the UK, we pay for each car to be on the road.

You pay tax, we call it road tax.

It's not technically free road.

Yeah, shut up.

Now, in April they're increasing the prices on certain cars with certain emissions.

But lots of old cars are being impacted.

Some of those cars, they're tough.

There's tough ones to see.

Audi TT, 1.8 T's.

Everywhere.

Gen 1, early ones.

Those are going up to £735.

Now, is 735 still the top tax bracket?

There's higher than that.

Well, yeah, for old, I think for classic,

whereas in older stuff, I think that might be.

Or 760, I think might be the top one.

But so, yeah, £735 for a car that you can find for £700.

Those cars are going to be worthless.

No one's buying those.

Those going off the road.

That's a little budget thing.

No one's going to want to pay 70, 60, whatever it is, quid a month.

Saab 900 convertibles.

I think this is a B204 early 2000s one, £735.

A Land Rover Freelander 2, £760.

I don't care about that one.

Ford Galaxy 2.3, £735.

But that's the first time that's gone up in a while,

because that generation was capped, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Up to, what is it, 06?

06.

It was max like £400.

Yeah.

What?

I haven't looked at that.

Hmm.

So, my glado is £400.

It may be going up.

Oh, that's going up, surely.

So, Ford Mondeo's like just a V6 Mondeo, that's £735.

As a fear of the XR, £735.

So, the generation after ours.

And then the saddest one.

But also potentially, well, it's not great.

He's Golf R32s.

Golf R32, now £760.

They already were.

Although they were, amongst five would have been already.

Yeah.

I don't know, maybe this is my Ford Mondeo.

My Sam had of Mark 5.1 and it was 710.

Anything like after 06, that's like a somewhat UC engine would have been in that top.

So, yeah.

It makes me feel older, because I remember when I had an Alfa Brera V6, that was in there.

And that was an 06 car and it was like, oh, the tax is £550.

It's so much.

And now it's like creeping up to £800, basically.

The vehicles registered between March 1st, 2001 and April 1st, 2017.

If it's making over 255 Gs per kilometre, you're paying £750 to £790.

So, William, I think, unfortunately, this may...

How do I check this?

Do you can check on the Domino's app?

They might be able to tell you.

If you're between 226 and 255, it is rising from 735 to 760.

So, that's what they go.

R32s are going up another £40 or £50.

So, it's a rough one.

That's sad.

You know what?

I'd put off looking at it, because I'd heard about increases and I wanted nothing to do with it.

But, yeah, I'm going to have to check that later on.

I'm going to get on the V5 and see what my emissions is.

Because I was quite pleased with that.

Yeah, at the moment, it's £430.

So, I'm going up, but I can't see.

Is it 255, you said?

255 and over.

Okay.

Ben, I think the GTD is alright.

Yeah, no, I'm for...

Is that the grams per kilometre on my motor?

What are you, 300 and something?

You've 350?

What is your...

Or something?

Five.

450.

Okay.

I think you're safe to say it.

I think he might be up for the top.

That's such horse shit.

I mean, actually, to be fair,

you can really can.

You know, why are they coming after Lamborghini owners?

They're not.

It's people like...

We've been through enough.

Zafira's and like, Mondeo's are getting hit with it.

That's not really fair.

No, no, no, no.

Think of the Lamborghini owners.

Think of us.

Well, what will they do?

They won't be able to feed the kids, will they?

No, I can't even have any.

Because he doesn't have any.

So he can't feed.

He can't feed.

Can't feed them.

Can't pay them.

What are kids like?

60 for a month?

60 for a month.

And that's now going to be my tax bill.

Road tax.

Yeah.

700 quid a year.

Although, we'll say...

We complain a lot in this country about the road tax.

And it is, I think, horse manure.

I do think it is horse manure,

because especially the roads I drive...

I know it's not road tax.

It's based on emissions.

But the roads we drive on are utter dross.

Oh, they're terrible.

It's really our dog shit.

Everything about the roads is dog shit.

The road works are dog shit.

The roads are dog shit.

The roads are managed are dog shit.

And we pay that ridiculous price.

But in Europe, wow.

It's tough.

People in Italy feel bad for you.

How much we're talking?

So I think it goes off the site.

It goes off both their power

and the size of their engine.

So I remember my dad talking to a guy

who had a Tester Rosser.

And I think it was 5,000 euro a year.

5,000?

Just to have his car on the road.

Oh, shadda.

Before he drives a mile.

Before he does anything.

Ireland, I think, is quite bad as well.

Ireland's very high.

More closer to home.

We still can...

What's sound then?

All right, money bags, Ben.

700 quid, I don't care.

No, I'm paying 35 pounds of euro on my road tax.

How do you know?

Must be nice for some.

What do you mean?

How do you know how's it going to change?

Does it say anything else changing?

That would be so annoying.

I've literally just got it down to that.

That was such a quick turn around for Ben.

It does.

That's very upsetting.

You have a look after this.

Actually, there's 2,000.

Does it mean there'll be cars coming up for sale?

Yes, it will be.

But you will then have to pay the tax.

We don't have to pay the tax, but...

Or just don't pay it.

Or pay for six months.

Money-saving tips for the TDC.

If you only own the car for six months...

Yeah.

Then you don't pay for a full year, do you?

Sure, okay.

So I'm only paying 350 quid for it.

What is it?

237 kilograms per kilometer.

Kilograms per kilometer?

That's a lot.

So what is that?

DPF delete, EGR delete.

237 on the S2000,

because later S2000s are already 700 quidably.

So you're 237.

You are going from 735 to 760.

No, I'm not.

I'm paying 430 currently.

So it's between 226 and 255 is rising from 735 to 760.

And that's between...

But pre-2000...

March the 1st, 2001 to April the 1st, 2017.

I think I could be before that.

Hang on.

Well, then you could be lucky.

I can tell you right now.

This was when you were born.

Yes, when it was registered.

When was it?

It was it...

Was it March the 1st, 2001?

Yeah.

No, because I pay 430 now.

So it's not going to rise from that to 700.

Oh, Benjamin.

Oh, 2000 just talking about.

Yeah.

Oh, I think you'll probably be fine, Benjamin.

Don't worry about it.

There will be creams in the comments who know much better than we do.

They'll correct us.

You know what?

There's always a sawn.

Well, it's to be fair.

Mine's where I was in storage.

So what we've got next?

What we've got next is from you, Edwin, which is the Ferrari report.

What you mentioned the other day.

The Ferrari report.

Someone reported.

Oh, yes.

So behind us, if you are a visual viewer, you will see a lovely looking Ferrari 355,

which by the time you hear this podcast will no longer be ours.

We're taking it to an auction on Friday and it will be gone for us forever.

Really sad, I know.

But when we first posted this car, that was the tail end of last Christmas,

the Christmas before.

And we said in the video, you can report fake Ferrari products to Ferrari

and they will potentially reward you.

Now we've had actually, I think two people getting in contact with us now and say,

I just got my, I've just got my reward.

It came through from Ferrari and it was a little note that said,

thank you for reporting fake Ferrari merchandise.

What you're doing here helps us to, I don't know,

build more really middling cars these days.

And what they got was a cat.

One guy got a red Ferrari cat.

And one guy got a black Ferrari cat.

Nice.

I mean, they did say it was a gift.

They didn't say how big the gift was.

I think, you know, caps kind of what we could have really expected.

Yeah, kind of something a little bit more interesting.

But what it does mean is that I think for them to get that Ferrari,

someone employed by Ferrari has seen our video,

watched it and gone, okay, we'll deal with that.

Now what happens to us?

We don't know from here.

We may be assassinated in some form of Italian style.

Italian job.

We're going to drive into a tunnel and there's going to be a digger in there.

And then we're going to mafia boss at the other end.

He's going to chuck a reef down a hill.

And we're going to get, it turns out it's just road works because our roads are terrible.

Then my little kind is going to come out.

So, you know, thank you.

You know, for all of you that did report us at your clowns, enjoy the cap.

Yeah, enjoy all your caps.

Other than the research.

Here we go.

I'm up by 35 pounds a year.

So it's not 700 quid.

It's now like 400 something more.

Okay.

So that's where you're at.

I panicked for a minute.

I was like, I said, no, no.

But the golf is though.

Oh, no, the golf is fine.

If it goes up from 35 to 45, I'll swallow that cost.

45 to 700.

On that point, I'm whacking my dbf off it.

You sell that 700 pound a year car for a 30 pound car

and go straight back into a 700 pound a year.

Oh, well, anyway, we won't do that next.

We will do Ben.

You're telling me that Merck using BMW engines question mark.

You're telling me a shrimp fried this rice.

You're telling me Ben knows nothing about this.

Why does Ben do this?

Before this podcast, I would like it known.

I said to Ben, right?

I don't do this.

Will said to me, got all the photos up.

I said, yes.

I said to Ben, what did you say?

You said, Ben, you got your forum.

Ben said, yes.

I said, Ben, have you researched your news articles?

Ben said, nothing.

Are you joking me right now?

No, no, you didn't say that.

Yeah, no, no.

Sorry.

What I do is I get the article.

He's buying time.

But what he doesn't realize is that he isn't in clever enough.

He's not clever enough to buy time and think about the other thing.

So he still needs the time.

He buys time and at the end of it goes, hold on.

Shit, my time's run out.

You got it?

I have it from the start.

I'm just getting the facts up on my phone.

OK, so I know.

But I don't know what you're going to say next on the list.

Why don't you have the facts up before we start?

Because it's on my phone.

What does that mean?

No, no.

So the phone, if you don't look at it, it's off.

There's like seven news articles and we'll randomly read them out.

Seven.

I don't remember that.

Well, can I please hear about the fact that Marcus and Mercadiz are using BMW engines?

So apparently Mercadiz is using...

It's a four cylinder, I believe, and they're looking at using it from 2027.

The B48.

I don't know.

Didn't say.

It didn't say.

It just said four cylinders.

But they've got their own four cylinders.

Why would they not use theirs?

I don't know.

It's a meat cost and regulation, basically, what it said.

But I thought it was interesting that they would do that.

So they're doing a collab, bro.

So interesting.

Not a collab, actually, but...

I wonder if it is the B48 because that's mini engine, one series engine.

Oh, sorry.

Three cylinder, do you say?

No, four.

No, I thought it was a 48.

I read four.

No, I thought it was a B48.

It's normal four cylinder.

Who knows this?

Please, sorry.

Who knows things?

God, this is really all over the place podcast this week.

The B48 is a turbocharged inline four petrol.

It is a B48.

It's done it!

So that's kind of crazy.

So now that's going to be mini BMW and Mercadiz all using it.

Let's hold on.

It's not fully confirmed from my rat.

Let's see what else.

Because sometimes they use them in other cars as well, like weird, random ones.

What about the Ineos Grenadier?

Sorry, the Toyota Supra has a B48.

Not with that?

Yeah.

They have a four cylinder one of those.

So that's going to be Toyota, Mercadiz, BMW and Mini all using the same engine.

I want to know who bought one.

I don't know what the...

Morgan Plus 4 as well.

Visual identifier is of a four cylinder Supra.

I don't see Supras very often.

Wheels.

I know the wheels are different.

The wheels are smaller.

I feel like I've never seen one.

I don't know.

They had it.

There is something else.

I remember it because I have actually seen a few and I don't know why humans are doing this.

Yeah, well, it's silly, isn't it really?

Like, you're not buying that car for design anyway.

Yeah.

You're buying it because it has a B58.

And you already know it in about 25 years time there's people going.

Well, a four cylinder was the one to go for because it was more balanced.

It was actually...

It had a 55% front weight balance compared to the six cylinder cars 56.

And you really felt that as you left the driveway.

Yeah.

Shout out.

It was actually the thinking man Supra.

Yep.

That's...

Yeah, I hate that.

I hate that.

Meanwhile, doing silly duggits in a three litre.

That's what you should be doing.

You know what almost joins in with Perish and Shod?

Thinking man.

No one ever says that.

It's the thinking man's...

It's the thinking man's potato.

That one.

A sweet potato.

Me when I see a chip.

Do you know what that is?

That's thick cut chips.

It's the thinking man's fry.

Thinking man's spud.

That's what that is.

Anyway.

Ben's the thinking man's us.

I don't think I am.

He is the thinker.

The big thinker.

Okay.

Next up.

This is a question from a man who submitted actually when we talked about the McLaren

Mercedes thing, the MP4-12C thing before it was a thing.

Hexgraphica.

But he sent a question in after talking about the liquid yellow on 2DC.

Saying what is the wildest like factory color but on a cheap car?

I know the answer.

Because in expensive cars it's easy isn't it?

Like there's going to be yeah this is a one-of-one brown mixed with green and this.

But now I had a thought.

I know what it is.

I think your thought is the same.

What is it?

Is it from this country?

No.

Okay.

Because it was originally and then I had another brain thought.

Now Ben we throw it to you first.

Cheap car.

Noiled color.

Cheap car with a crazy color.

I don't say cheap.

Like let's say I mean for you it's not what a sub like a couple of mil.

Like Ben's thinking all right.

Gump at polo.

And those couple of those.

Sub 10 grand.

A sub 10?

I don't know.

Oh, oh there is one.

It's in my mind.

It's coming to me.

Here we go.

Okay.

What color is it?

Oh what am I?

I was thinking.

Oh it's down one car that's got really cheap and it's got weird paint.

That's unfair grand.

Then it's got a mad paint color.

My thought is an MG or a Rover.

The classic.

There are some minis from back in the day.

R53 minis.

Minis, minis, minis, minis, minis, minis.

It's just the pink.

I think there's a pink.

You just see them in kind of wild colors that you wouldn't expect from a car of that.

Okay.

Of that.

Would you not think of one exactly?

Would you like me to give you the correct answer that I think I must be correct?

The K11 Micra Mystique.

Which was a addition, a genuine addition that you could buy K11 Micra.

That is chroma flare paint.

Swordfish blue if you will.

Swordfish blue.

Sorry.

Look at the second K11 in the background.

So that is a K11 Micra, a little 90s Micra that you could get with flip paint.

And they also did a Primera in Mystique Green.

I've got a photo here.

Now they are rare and you don't find them very often.

So I think you're probably right that MG is the cheapest because you just find them.

But how many of the cheap ones are now fit?

That's what I mean.

Like a Micra is cheap.

Although I don't know how many of those are about.

That's what I mean.

There's not many.

So they're probably going to be a couple of grand still at least.

But I still think it's got to be the Micra.

Look at that little guy.

So an MG.

I can't...

Obviously there's the...

Cleo's relatively cheap and you can get...

If you're an audio listener, it's orange.

And pinky red.

Clipping into like pink and red, which is cool.

You can search Micra.

K11 Micra Mystique.

How many of those have been written off because of someone had to paint them?

Oh, gosh.

It got a tiny ding and then the polish up went, I'm not doing that.

I've seen quite a lot of those.

What?

I've seen quite a lot of those Micras in that spec.

Really?

Yeah.

I've seen like two in my life.

Is Preston a hotspot?

I don't know.

But tell you what is rare.

A black Micra.

What was your answer?

You didn't have one.

I said like a...

But then said, oh, like one of those...

One of those, yeah, like that.

A Micra or like a Rover or MG or something.

Or like what you guys said.

Can I please get...

Could we just get something for you?

I don't know.

You can just...

No, no, no, you don't have to know what the name is.

I'll just want the car.

I can't think.

What car have you seen?

That's a little bit mad.

It's not actually that mad of a color.

It's kind of a cool spec.

You can get basically BMW Oxford green, but on an insignia.

There is.

I've seen that as well.

I've seen that and I think that was quite cool.

Do you know what you can get?

Well, technically, the cheapest one is probably the Range Rover we bought.

That's 500 pounds.

You can get the Rover 75s.

I think they're the V8 ones.

You see them a lot with Rover flares.

Rover flares.

These are Rover flares.

Yeah, that's the glasses patch.

Okay, but all over the place.

Interesting.

But I like the first thing you think of

is you just go straight to flip paint.

Yeah, flip paint or like a triple pearl type thing.

But yeah, but there's been a few Toyota's I've seen

and this isn't really cheap car because they're kind of new.

But I see a Toyota and I'm like, what a mental color.

Oh, it's like a deep, mauve car thing.

It's kind of crazy.

I remember filming that thing with Ben in the Sainsbury's car park.

This Toyota came past and it was literally like TVR spec paint,

but like a little bit slightly darker.

I'm muted.

It was like a greeny, like what would you call it?

Like petrol blue kind of color.

I'd like 47 different colors.

I love that now.

We went through this thing in the mid-2010s

where it was like everything's silver black.

And then now everything's, everyone's like,

yeah, let's make it crazy.

Let's go weird with colors again.

I like that.

Everyone's on that gray and I want gray.

Let's have gray.

Also, I love gray.

Here's my other thing.

If you're, I know that maybe there's not as much choice

if you're like leasing or financing car.

If it's not actually your car, if it's like a leased deal,

why not go crazy with it?

Spice it up.

You don't need to worry about resell that.

You're giving that thing back.

Run me some weird color.

Just smash it up with a green.

I'll have chroma flare pink on my RS.

I don't know how many offer actually cool colors there.

No, exactly.

That's good.

BMW is good.

Actually, do you know what?

BMW probably not far in the cheap car realm.

Under 10 grand, you're going to get something individual.

You can get anything.

That is a wild and probably maybe Mercedes less,

I don't know, less Audi that I see.

They're quite hard to find.

I think of like Merlin purple on like a 30 or whatever.

But in BMW and Mercedes, you've got those like, oh.

A nice little tanzanite.

This is a 1 of 17 sprungulate green.

I saw, there is actually for sale right now,

an Arizona sun, which is a really rare color on E46 is compact,

which is kind of a weird cool.

Is that the, I know, I've got that orange in my head.

I will show you.

It's basically kind of the same color as that micro that we just looked at.

Here you go.

That's the smallest photo.

I recall this color.

But it's a very bright orange.

Like I saw it the other night when I was on Facebook and thought,

oh, that's a weird thing.

Well, can we just, I've just only just looked at the game

where we've got on the screen.

I knew what it was, but the car that's being driven right now is a...

Would you like to explain what it is?

It's the E2.

It's an E200 CDI.

I didn't know an E200 was a thing, if I'm honest.

But anyway, this is Mercedes-Benz world,

the game we've got on the moment.

Yeah, but it is a classic.

Which is just Mercedes.

I played it as a child.

I also hated Mercedes as a child, but it was a game to play.

There's damage.

There's damage in it.

Yeah.

He did just crash in front on and the rear of the cars bent on.

All I used to do in this game was just turn around,

go the other way and just hit people head on.

No, that's probably a little window into my psyche.

Makes sense.

Next up, a very small angry about horse people.

Okay, here we go.

Let's talk about horse people.

Now, I'm going to say before,

I appreciate that we have to have horses and that people want to have horses.

Like for the economy or we don't have to have horses as pets.

We need to be in order for freedom of the people.

People like horses.

They want to use their horses and I somewhat accept that we have to share the roads with

horses and cyclists and potholes.

The right to their horses.

What about people walking?

No, they shouldn't be on the road.

Okay, fine.

It's got to be driven by something else, isn't it?

Do you drive a horse?

No, but it's an external force, isn't it?

Clutch kick the horse.

You just dove clutch and ram.

But basically, you know, we've all been there.

Horses, it's just slightly frustrating.

Sorry, just to quick out.

We've all been there.

Horses.

You've been behind a horse and it's, you're stuck between a horse and a horse.

And half way and a half place.

Because you see the horse and you want to get past the horse.

But you've got to go so slow, so slow past the horse.

And also we've all been there and you creep past said horse.

And not the horse looks at you.

The person on the horse looks at you and goes,

I slowed down, man.

The horse says, slow it down.

I literally, anything and more and I'll stop.

Also, I'll just be alongside you then for longer,

which the horse is not going to like.

So, but anyway, I was in a passenger seat of my girlfriend's car.

Of a horse.

Of my girlfriend's car.

Going down a 15 mile an hour road, like a back road type thing.

And you know you have those roads and there's like T-junctions that go off.

Very discovered roads.

Pulling up to a T-junction horse.

Set of horses, pair of horses.

Would they indicate you're on?

Did they, was it, who's right of way?

It, no, it was, we're already on the road.

Okay.

So it's our right of way and we're doing 50 miles an hour.

Possibly 48, possibly more.

Don't know, circa 50 miles an hour.

Weird thing to specify.

Horse pulls up.

50 bit.

And the road is lined by trees, right?

So you can't see what's pulling up that road.

You don't see it when it pulls up.

So you'd have, you would be a cautious horse rider.

You'd have to be cautious.

Well, for one, I just don't think you'd take your horse there, would you?

It's a bit silly.

It's like pulling up to a slip road to the M4 with your horse and going,

Oh.

On a moth head and going.

I reckon.

I'll slow down.

Horse pulls up.

So literally last minute, like the horse pulls up and we're going past it.

And the horse rider starts gesticulating to slow down.

But like angry, slow down.

And I started looking back and they're still just telling me to slow down.

I was like, you pulled up to this road.

You are on the horse.

Also, there's fields everywhere you could go and ride in.

And people go, oh, well, I can't ride in those fields.

But you can't ride up to 50 mile an hour road

where people are doing 50 miles an hour

and complain that they're doing 50 miles an hour.

When no one knew that you were there anyway.

It's like going into a music gig with a book and going, oh, I don't get this book going.

I'm trying to read here.

Or like going in with your music on.

Going, I just want to listen to this music.

Sorry.

And I'm here while you're playing your music.

Shut up.

Take your horse elsewhere to like a slow road.

Like where learners go or something.

You know what, just like an industrious day.

Do you know what?

A housing estate.

Perfect for a horse.

But who's racing now for a housing estate?

I was looking at new builds and go horses here.

If I'm in a new built housing estate,

I wake up in the morning and I hear horses clopping around.

I would be, I would think it's the end of the world.

Do you know what happened to me?

No, this is, this is on topic, but I've only just remembered it.

Is I woke up the other night.

You did it.

I did it like one or two a.m.

So like the morning, early morning, late night.

Not lunchtime.

And I heard horse clopping.

What?

And by the time I got to the window to see, I couldn't,

do you know what it was?

It was a 50 road.

He was going.

It was, it was so, you know, it's been foggy recently.

That's just what scared the living daylights out.

It was so foggy that I could barely see my road, basically.

But I heard, I know it.

I know clopping when I hear it.

Did you think you're in peaky blinders?

But I thought, yes, he was, he was like that.

And I thought, Tommy Shelby's coming.

I was trying to think of what I could have mistaken the clopping for.

There is, it's an unmistakable noise.

The clock.

It was, it was Benz S2000 going down the road, no way over there.

Someone was doing a Monty Python sketch with a couple of coconuts.

Now, here's my, sorry, are you, are you going to interject to that?

Do you live on a road with horses?

Oh no, the horses go past quite often.

Okay, so there you go.

But not at that, but 1-8, what are you doing with a horse at 1-8?

Well, you can't drive home from the pub, can you?

You've got to get out of the pub.

That's a great point.

Can you drink, can you drink and horse?

Can you, let me, let me search in that while I,

I would assume it's frowned upon, but maybe there's no law.

I bet there's lots of bullshit laws around horses because it's old.

Oh, old timing.

Yeah.

Legal advice.

No, it is generally illegal to drink and ride a horse on a public road or in a public place,

as you can face prosecution for being drunk in charge of an animal or a cat.

Wait, if I'm walking my dog, I'm absolutely steamin'.

Drunk in charge sounds actually.

Wait, slow down with that.

Which one you use in charge?

Is it the dog or you?

The dog, it's me.

I was driving the other day.

There is a road near us on my commute.

We call it the bumpy road.

Because it's the most bumpy road.

It's a very bumpy road.

It's a, two cars can fit, but you go slow.

Like you wouldn't go past and it's a 60 road.

If you're going past each other, you probably bring it down to like 20 or 30.

But there's, it's very long.

It's very straight.

You can see all the way to the end of it.

I was on this road and I was, again, it's a 60 road.

You may do 60.

That's completely fine.

There was a cyclist coming the other way.

And I'd say a quarter of a mile away.

He started going, waving his hand to slow down.

I'm doing maybe 35 on this road.

Because I'm in a lowered E36.

I'm on the bumpy road.

And not a loud car?

The bumpy road is not kind to the E36.

So I'm not trying to do parry the car on it.

I'm at 35 and you're a quarter of a mile going slow down, would you?

And it's, it made me rage so much.

Maybe you can see with your bull tire and you couldn't correct.

He's like, mate.

I wouldn't be driving with that.

I feel bad because I like animals and I don't, you know,

but just get your horse out the way.

Take it out.

There are so many places to take a horse.

As far as I'm aware, I'm their horse ace.

But I bet there's not really.

There's not.

Because most of you kept in massive fields.

Yeah, but I don't know if you can ride them around in the fields where they live in.

Why not?

I don't know.

Well, it's like saying to you, I'll go for a walk, man.

You've got to walk from your kitchen to your bedroom.

But where are the, where are their vast expanses that you can just keep

a car in, but you can't drive it round in it?

Go out your garden.

Where does it exist?

Mate, go out for a walk in your garden.

Huh?

Go out for a walk in your garden.

Yeah.

So walk around your garden.

But one thing, have you seen a horse's field?

It's not like a back garden, is it?

And they're massive.

You've got horses are massive.

I mean, they're not that massive.

Bigger than you.

Sorry, but the horses you see on the road, are they absolutely galloping?

Gallivanting?

No, they are.

They're just clopping along.

Something you could do in a field.

You tend, you wouldn't even need to put shoes on them.

But how do they get from one field to the other?

They've got to go along the road.

You just stay in that field.

So cows don't complain.

Cows don't stay in one field.

Cows famously go to other fields.

Yeah, but have you ever seen grasses walking their cow?

Yeah, that's like you did it.

Have you ever seen someone out on the cow on the street?

They move them.

They move them discreetly, silently, and out of the way.

Ben does live in Bristol, so that's entirely possible.

Where are you still live?

My neighbour has got one of those.

Yeah, I'm moving cows all the time.

Oh, that's my station cow.

Where I lived as a child.

It's a tragic cow.

As a young child where I lived, my mum would drop us at school.

The drive from our house to school, if you left later in like a certain time,

you get stuck for half an hour because they were moving cows.

And the cows would cross the road.

They'd open one field to let them go and have,

they'd had to move the cows.

No, I was just asking, why is the cow cross the road?

That's understandable, right?

But that's the same thing.

No, I don't believe it is.

And I believe that horses should have other places to,

you know, horse fields.

Sorry, if anyone can hear the rain,

it's just started World War III outside.

It's just been raining, you know, for miles.

Yeah, well, I've taken the horse out, won't I?

Yeah, you've got to get the horse out on the road, isn't it?

I think I might take it down the 50 road and do some 0.60s.

Like the wets on, I reckon.

Get the wetshoes on.

Maybe it's a road tune.

Yeah, no, they've got to do, it's Sean,

Sean from MSD Tuning from the laptop going,

right, give it some now, in third.

To a pool now.

Now, again, we should share the roads with horses.

We should all, and again, be considerate,

don't skate horses.

But also, if you are a horse, horseman, a horse person,

one of the horsemen, be considerate and take,

just don't go near noisy, fast roads,

if you expect, if you don't want noisy, fast things to happen.

Do you know what?

I can usually get it, but if you pull up to a 50 road,

that's on your head.

Yeah, that's a crazy one.

Right, and I could see the horse behind,

you know, like, whoa, when he does the little,

like, kind of backwards entry, where they're just kind of like,

they're just getting angle on, they're just getting lock on.

I'm about, I'm going to go.

I'm, mate, there's a gap coming, I'm going for it.

You know, there's only one thing to do here,

and it's not to stay calm, I think, bolt.

I think, bolt.

So, yeah, horse, if you're any horse people listening,

Explain.

I don't care what you've got to say,

just go right around the field.

I've seen your fields, they're massive.

If we had fields like that, I'd drive around.

Yeah, also, Hannah, hold on,

surely we can drive in the horse fields?

If you're allowed on the road, I get to come in

and just do a little skid.

And they should pay also tax.

I think things that I remember you did in your F10.

I remember that, well, I pulled up to,

we were on the way to the cafe to the machine,

and there was a little, like, almost like a farm entrance type.

It was like a rural road.

I'm like, this would be a great place for a little photo,

take a photo, and then we'll just went into the field

and did a skid.

You have to, I had to turn around.

It got turned around.

You're telling horses to get off the road

when you're in there, so you're doing skids.

There was no horse in that field.

Well, yeah, because you probably get a horse to see that

and go, that's fair enough.

You had nowhere else to go.

How else would you leave this field, stupid?

Right, next up, Ben.

Yeah.

A momentous moment.

I've been looking forward to this.

We ordered the parts for it, if you will.

The scroll, the apology letter, and the official L.

So a very quick back story, please, Ben.

Or actually, I'll do it.

You give it because I won't be able to do it.

Benjamin made a bet with William.

I did.

This was at the tail end of last year

when we were coming back from Paris

from an unsuccessful trip to buy a Fast and Furious car.

Well, perhaps successful.

Perhaps successful.

No one knows.

Lots of people on the internet keep saying,

we definitely didn't win.

Yeah, keep going.

Keep going with that.

You made a bet that Benjamin,

that William would not buy a yellow Clio by November

by the time he turned 31.

To two.

Idiotic bet.

So Will bought this Clio.

So Will has bought this Clio.

Well, we have started a new thing at TDC

because there can be a lot of bullying.

No.

Jayparee, is that a word?

Yeah, yeah.

Fog based Jayparee.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, basically, things aren't let go.

I think this comes from.

And we need to let them go by having an official scroll

where we take...

I bought three of these.

Yes.

We can buy more if there's more else.

And I bought an actual feather quill and ink.

And it has been written on it.

I rolled it back up right now.

If you're watching, you can see it.

If you're not, please, I'd like you to unsheathe your scroll.

No, I'm going to give it to Will to read.

Okay.

Is it in your hand?

It's me.

And then just as a decree, like...

Would you like me to read it to you as the decree?

I'd quite like to read it.

As it is addressed to me.

Now, one thing I must say is that...

I don't care.

Writing with a quill is very difficult.

I've never done it before.

Was it your first time with a quill?

It was.

Yeah.

Surprisingly.

So the handwriting is shocking.

I can read it if you can't read it.

And it is a proper quill, isn't it?

It wasn't.

It's not by rolling the feather on it.

I'm quite impressed by Ben, if I'm honest.

It was...

I spent probably 25 minutes writing this.

Don't please...

Here we go.

Not very official, that.

No, not very official at me.

Just kind of walking into the King's Horses and lobbing.

Talk about how that's tied.

Not great.

So it's not presentation poor.

Hey.

Shad app.

Tuck...

No, that's tucked under.

Right.

Again, this is not very...

Poor becoming of a King having to go.

No, no, just...

Once you've got...

Yeah, and then it comes around.

Yeah.

And then it should just unsheathe itself.

And then what about the scroll?

Yeah.

Good work, Will.

Here we go.

Will is revealing the scroll.

I'm going to have to roll it down a bit to get to it.

Now, I want to tell you that I wrote this.

There is it.

Okay.

No, you didn't.

I used chattybt.

I didn't use chattybt.

No, I used chattybt to give me an outline

of how you would write an apology letter officially.

As in like, this is what we want to say,

this is the middle bit, this is it.

The actual wording is all me.

Okay.

That's why it's shocking.

Gallons of water used for your...

No, I used it for the rough outline.

I wrote it.

No, that's fine.

Right, we're starting off.

There is a colossal L on top, right?

Lovely.

My dearest William.

Nice.

I write to you with a sincere and humble apology.

And while uncomfortable, I find myself obliged to admit

that I was entirely mistaken.

Indeed.

With perhaps too much confidence,

I waged that you would not purchase a liquid yellow,

Clio RS200.

I don't think we specified RS200.

No, just any Clio.

Any Clio.

Clio, but anyway.

Before the 14th of November, 2026,

the date of my 32nd birthday.

Thank you.

Seconds.

And a milestone which places you

firmly blonde beyond your youth.

Now, I don't know.

I think when it starts to get a bit sarky,

the apology starts to feel...

No, I wrote you the apology I wanted.

It starts to feel a little bit less like an apology.

Yeah, it is an apology.

Yeah.

No, this isn't nice.

You're beyond your youth.

I truly believed I was safe in making such a claim.

Not because I doubted your taste,

but because I underestimated your determination

and your willingness to follow through

on something so bold.

Or it does say bold.

It says bold.

It does say bold.

I did that on purpose.

Okay, there is an L.

It has come to my attention that I was wrong.

No full stop.

Please accept my heartfelt apology

for ever doubting you.

I know our wager was made in good humour,

but I did you a disservice.

And for that, I am truly sorry.

Dot, dot, dot.

I don't know what these dot, dot, dots are doing.

I concede the bet in full.

Without let or hindrance.

Now that's chatting.

Isn't that the way you came out with it?

That's from the UK passport.

It's what it says on it.

I just came to my mind.

I concede the bet in full without let or hindrance.

The victory is yours, faithfully earned,

and I acknowledge it with the full respect it deserves.

And you've got quite a large ink blot down here.

Yeah, sorry.

May your liquid yellow clio bring you great joy,

may it serve you well,

and may you enjoy every moment of knowing

you proved me wrong.

Nice.

With sincerest remorse and highest admiration.

Benjamin.

Very nice, Ben.

Very good, Ben.

I think you've done a good job on that.

And a nice scroll as well.

Really?

Which can we show?

You want to show it to the camera quickly?

So here we go.

There is the scroll.

A lovely scroll.

And we will cherish this.

This will be displayed somewhere.

That will be...

That will go into the annals of the cream podcast law.

And it now means that if there's a bet...

L.

And it must be written on a scroll.

Also, I want to make a point here.

We must write them like that, formally.

It has to be formal.

Of course, in hundreds of years.

Because that was pretty quite fun.

People will discover this and wonder what the hell is going on.

Yeah.

They're going also...

What are they talking about?

Audio listeners.

What's going on?

Very sorry.

I was smashing my scroll off the mic.

Thank you very much for bearing me on that.

That is a well-delivered L.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd do it.

I didn't think you'd have the beans for it if I'm honest.

Good job, Ben.

On to the next.

Oh, the Ferrari Lucid.

The Ferrari Luci.

The Ferrari Lucce.

Is that what it's called?

Lucce.

This is...

I don't know.

Loose.

I'm going to call it loose.

This is Ferrari's first electric car.

Wow.

Yeah, who cares?

Anyway, it's not out yet and they haven't shown the car,

but they've shown the interior.

And the interior has been designed by none other than Johnny Ive.

Steve Jobs.

I thought he was to do with rap.

Johnny Ive was the famous Apple designer

who did most of these stuff up until like the last sort of,

I think five or six years,

2019, and he's designed this interior.

And you can tell.

I want to say, I've actually watched some videos on this

and there are some quite cool features.

For example, the key.

You're the back of the key.

You take a screenshot if you get the brakes and the accelerator.

That's the one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And then every two years, the battery dies,

so you have to get a new one.

The key goes sort of where the gear selector is there

on the bottom right.

If you're not watching,

not watching, imagine a gear selector.

Is it over there?

Yeah.

And what happens with it is,

is the key is like a normal,

it's a Ferrari logo at the full size of the key,

like you know what it is.

And it's yellow.

And then when you put it into that thing,

the yellowness of it disappears

and it goes across to the gear selector,

just let you know you're ready to go.

Okay, sure.

Why not?

Like a cool little feature.

And all of the materials are like really high quality

and it's all very well built for what I've seen in the videos.

But it looks like trash.

It does.

It looks like an apple.

It looks like, sorry.

Me when I see something fall from a tree

and I'm Isaac Newton.

The steering wheel, I like.

I'm going to go out there.

I don't.

I like the steering wheel.

It looks like an old school,

that is what a long canal five on two BB looks like.

And so does the dash thing.

But I draw your attention to this please.

Why is there a rev counter?

Yeah, no, that was my next thing was to be,

I actually quite like the dials.

Yeah, they're very old school Ferrari.

But yeah, it's just not a petrol car, is it?

So how are they going to?

Although is that because it goes up?

It goes up in odd numbers.

Because I can see a four and then a five around there.

Is that four?

Oh yeah.

That's weird.

Is this some sort of volts?

I don't know.

Maybe yeah.

The other thing I quite like in this teaser press image

is that the car's doing 210 kilometers an hour.

It's at the top of its revs, if that is the revs.

And then we've got all sorts of details here in GeForce.

Can you please have the paddles on?

Yeah, I don't like the paddles.

But I just like the idea that they, if it was a real photo,

just got 210 and went, great photo for the promo.

So here we go.

See if I can grab that one with the old iPhone.

I would make two points here.

People unsuccessfully making a triangle.

Number one, that middle centre screen thing

that would be invitation usually.

Do you mean the iPad?

I think that middle bit is just a big bezel.

I don't know if that is a screen in the middle,

but it says Ferrari very dimly lit as if it was a logo.

If that is the case, what are you thinking?

You've created five inches of space

to put a logo in the middle of your car.

Why is it got a bull bar under it?

Yeah, I was wondering that.

Is that, it looks like an old person's shower rail.

Yeah.

But so that's what, for getting out,

you grab on that and you pull the screen off.

Yeah.

I did see one cool thing I quite liked.

And it's because it's slightly fighter jetty,

is that I think it looked like it was on the roof

because I saw it next to an SOS switch,

is there's like a launch button.

It almost looks like something you might pull or press or move.

You have to do something funky with.

Oh, for like launch control?

Yeah.

I think it said launch or something.

It was a fast word, but that looked quite cool.

Now, I'd like someone to tell me something.

I, while getting these photos up,

there's con, I know that these are, what do you call them?

Concepts.

Thank you so much.

Fan-made concepts.

But they all seem to have this very similar look.

Now, have they said it's going to be a saloon-y wagon?

It is an SUV.

A crossover.

So they've kind of said it's per sang, per sangua looking.

I don't know.

I think so.

Okay.

Because all photos seem to look like that,

which for audio listeners,

there is like a render sort of thing of the car,

which just looks so bang average.

I cannot imagine.

You could take the Ferrari logos off that

and tell me it was a Kia.

Or an MG.

Yeah, or an MG.

The thing that I don't like about this is that, A,

it looks like if Ferrari made a taxi interior,

that's what it would be.

Yeah, fair.

And B, I can't imagine that what we're seeing here

inside a Ferrari.

Inside the shape of a car there.

Inside a Ferrari.

Inside the shape of a car there is what it's going to be.

It looks to me like a hatchback interior or something.

They indicate it's back on the steering wheel.

I thought we were done with that.

I don't know if I don't know anything about anything at all,

but it just doesn't work, basically.

I think the steering wheel looks like something,

it looks like a mid-2000s sim racing steering wheel.

But the one you would put over your legs.

So you're going to go this far and there's no feedback on it.

That's exactly what it is, I've forgotten.

No, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it.

The one thing I read was that,

so this is like a retro looking interior,

which what it's meant to look like a steering wheel

is meant to be retro-ish looking.

Oh, you're joking?

Okay, that's good.

The question is,

why would you then have your petrol powered dinosaur cars

have a modern interior with like big buttons that change

and then this interior in your electric modern thing?

Makes no sense at all.

The thing that the people who are going to buy it

are going to be tech fiends who just want the word Ferrari on.

Like when you bought back the Tester Osser name,

you could have put a retro interior in that,

but instead you put it in a crossover.

Unless that's the, that was them feeling that out,

like them feeling out, this,

do we go back to this retro style and if people take up to it,

we change all of it over.

I just, it just seems like no one knows what's going on at Ferrari.

They do still fit that.

What we said before, it's Disney.

They've gone, you know what everyone wants?

The Lion King.

Yeah.

Let's get the Lion King back,

this time it's CGI, this time it's real,

this time it's this and everyone's like, no.

Did you enjoy that?

No, because there already is a Lion King.

Were you confused that they weren't real lions

if they're live action?

No, but it's not necessary.

Why have you made that?

And then you made it again.

And then you can, it's not, you don't need to keep doing that.

You don't need to keep going, oh wait, it looks like the old ones.

Why don't you do something that,

why don't you do what you were doing before?

Which was not copying things that were old.

I had no idea you were so passionate about the Lion King.

But what I'm saying is, is that Disney, at a point,

like Ferrari, were the absolute business.

They were top dogs.

You could not touch them.

You couldn't, they were building things,

obviously not, not perfect all the time,

but you couldn't get near a Ferrari for however amount of time.

That's fair.

And then you get to a point like what Disney are now,

where you don't have that, they're not doing that.

They don't have that creative spark anymore,

where they can come up with something absolutely groundbreaking.

So they go and make stuff that looks old.

Also, why are they making an electric car?

Because no one's going to buy it.

With the, what, I thought the whole thing was Ferrari though.

So people, they'll still, there are still, you know,

real whoppers out there.

They've got a Ferrari badge on it.

I'll buy that.

It will be 40 million pounds and then no one will buy it.

Footballers.

Do you know what I bet it was?

I bet it was the result of the Porosang way.

No, I still don't know how you say it.

Doing much better than they expected.

I reckon that's what it's going to be.

Do you do well?

Oh, I think in Europe, I think they're doing like decently.

Did you see, it was a Samuritz and like Fat Ice Race.

Someone doing a walk along and there's just like 30 of them

all parked up on the side of the road.

Because I bet you they thought, right, no one's going to buy it.

It's a SUV.

No, this is not what Ferrari is.

And they went, oh, everyone wants this.

This is interesting.

Same thing with Porsche.

Porsche went out on a limb with Cayenne,

hoping that it would save them and it outsold everything.

Same with the Bentayga, same with the Kullerman.

That's what rich people with money go.

How can I waste this?

Oh, it's a badge that makes me look like I'm rich.

To be fair, I've just read it was a massive success.

They were sold out until basically now.

So now, because I think there was a quote, I want to say,

maybe in the early days of crew, we might have talked about this,

they said, an EV will be over my dead body at Ferrari.

I think it was the CEO at the time.

Now, run it, sod it, follow that trick.

And it's an SUV.

But the Porosangue is still a V12 and it's still quite quick

and it's still somewhat interesting for what it is.

Do you know what I mean?

Why would you then go?

Do they sell the V8s yet?

Is that a thing that they're doing yet?

Because that's the whole thing was they were talking about doing

V8 Porosangues and V12s.

That's when turbo V8s, that would make so much sense.

Because that's what I want to know.

I bet you that is what's selling now.

Because I bet all of the early ones are the V12s and then people go,

oh, yeah, I don't care about it.

It can have an inline four in it.

As long as you've got a Ferrari badge, I'll pay you $400,000 for it.

Be sad.

And Lamborghini is very upsetting and sad.

But you know what?

I was thinking it makes...

Not that that helps us because those cars go up in money much quicker,

but it makes the old cars even more special.

Yeah.

There is a finite amount of good Ferraris.

There's no...

And when I say good, I'm no track man.

So I don't know how good the new one is.

But to look at the feel of it, the childhood feeling you get when you see a Ferrari,

that's gone for me.

I do not feel like seeing a Ferrari now.

A new one.

There's no V8.

Oh, they never did that.

It says that there's rumours they might facelift it in 2027, 2028 with a V8.

Oh, okay.

So it feels like that would make so much sense to like,

okay, you've...

All the people that couldn't get a hold of the V12,

here's a cheaper V8 twin turbo one that's the same as the whatever.

Then it's a direct comparison to a Eurus.

Yeah, exactly.

And then, you know, all the choppers are buying them.

But then I wonder if that's really why they didn't want to do the V8,

because then they can do the Ferrari thing when they go.

They're not even comparable.

We have a V12.

Yeah.

Because if they don't...

Well, we got three old men wistfully talking around a campfire about how bad things are these days.

That is how it feels, but I don't believe any other way.

I try to think openly about that, but I'm like, I still don't...

The best Ferraris have been made.

Heard it.

Not the fastest, but the best.

The ones that make you feel, that make your balls tingle.

Well, yeah.

Next up, we have something we spoke about in the car briefly, is Track Corner Names.

Now, they are slightly inspired by listening to Rack Dogs podcast,

they had a podcast or a multiple where they were talking about a guide to the Nurburgring, basically.

Shout out Rack Dogs.

And we realised that, let's say maybe the Nurburgring, because they're German names and stuff,

but maybe UK ones, corners have names in this country, but they always have.

There's going to be one of those corners that has some bullshit name.

They've always got bullshit names.

Have a history.

It'll have this.

But we're coming up with...

Back in 1902.

Yeah, we were coming up with bullshit ones, but what I'm going to do, I'm going to test you.

I have come up with a...

A cold corner.

Asshole.

There is Bum Hole.

Yeah, that's funny.

I laughed at Bum Hole at Track Day once.

I can't...

It's Snettern, I think.

And people looked at me as if I was mental.

It says Bum Hole.

Why is that funny, bro?

Bum Hole.

These are actual names of the corners.

Most of them are for the UK.

Now, I know that there's going to be multiple people going,

I'll have...

Mate, the Scrum Bidgets.

Of course, I know that corner.

That's where John Serti overtook Henry Ketchbowl in 1902.

No, same sort of era.

The bus stop.

Now, that's not...

You can't be having that.

And he's coming hard.

That's land down.

That is land down, right?

The bus stop.

It's not a good corner there.

I'll say, why is it called the bus stop?

Because what it is, is it's just a little left, right, left on what would otherwise be a straight.

Famously is what buses do.

They come into the chicane and just go...

I guess like buses do pull in, but not like that.

Okay, exactly.

We've got Chris Curve.

Now, where's Chris Curve?

I don't actually know.

Where is Chris Curve?

It wasn't even worthy of the surname.

It's Cadwell.

Cadwell's got Chris Curve.

Now, some of these are ones that people have just over time given it,

where it's not necessarily like the official name.

But yeah, that is Chris Curve.

I'm going through Chris.

No, that is Chris Curve.

Sending it around Chris.

I'm herring around Chris.

But you want to be late on the brakes into Chris.

And then...

Well, this is where the origin of the conversation came in.

That it's at times, especially when you don't know tracks insufferable to hear when people go,

mate, when I came left into Choppets, I was like Choppets.

I had the back coming out.

Were you trail breaking through there?

I was trail breaking through there, which set me lovely up into Flower Chief.

And that was really nice.

Flower Pots was looking fantastic.

Let it settle through Scrave and then just push through and look at the signs directly ahead.

As you come through the bends, just don't worry about it.

Just go straight through them, just through the Rogers and then off you go.

And sometimes they just call it like the S's, because that's what it looks like.

Yeah, there's no name for that.

No, that's the S's.

We've got Peel Bend.

Oh, Peel Bend.

P-E-E-L.

Correct.

Okay.

We've got the Gravity Cavity.

Gravity Cavity.

No, that's not great.

I can't call it that.

I believe that's an American thing.

Hold on.

The Gravity Cavity.

No, that's fantastic.

A little down up.

A corkscrew is relatively...

Do you know what?

Not really a corkscrew is it?

A corkscrew?

No, it's not.

It's not really a corkscrew, is it?

I don't know if anyone's ever been down a corkscrew, but it's not quite like that.

We've got Crohn's.

C-H-R-O, like Crohn's.

No, C-R-O-A-M-S.

Isn't that a disease?

No, that's Crohn's.

But close.

Through Crohn's.

You'll shit yourself in there.

We're coming through Crohn's and then we're left into Sheens, which is on there.

Sheens.

Barry Sheen?

Yep, that's right.

Barry Sheen.

And then we're coming into Gravelly, which is just a description of a corner.

Gravelly, that's the bit after...

That's the bit next to the corner.

That's what rally people...

That's what rally drivers call it.

Yep, we're going left around this Gravelly corner,

and then we're going right after this Gravelly corner.

And I know like rally courses change and what such,

but they don't have...

Surely they don't have names for that.

Because maybe there'll be so many of them.

Pikes Peak, maybe?

I don't know.

Corners.

But other than that, no, that's...

Yeah, that's what they're on.

Just a few of those.

If anyone knows more bullshit names,

or if you'd like to come up with your own bullshit names,

ones that you might think we'd believe.

Because we were saying them in the car,

like there are so many that you could...

You make up a word or a name,

and you add corner or curve or left or turn.

Or just a completely random just word.

You'd be like, he's coming left into the fire extinguisher.

And you go, oh, that's a great corner.

Yeah, I love that one.

That's great one.

Yes, there's the coach stop.

That's next in the bus stop.

And then you're coming through the police station.

It's just the town.

He's going left at the roundabout,

past the India, the bumblebee roundabout.

Well, that's...

The TTC track is going to have inside jokes for all cars.

It'll just be the top gear track,

with slightly just quite obvious and bullshit names.

Anyway, what we've got next?

We've got next from you, Edwin, ML63, C63.

They're two different cars.

Just a small little neckdote of what such.

I was towing the Evo up to swap it.

And as I was with my girlfriend in the car,

trailer on the back, Evo on there,

and in the distance at the next roundabout,

I could see, I was on the dual carriageway, there's a C63.

And as he is an estate, C63, C6.2 white wagon.

And as it pulled away from the lights, I heard,

like, this man knows.

This man knows 6.2 lot.

He's up to something.

If you don't know the 6.2 generations of C63s in the UK,

that there is a...

It actually doesn't matter what type of car person you are.

Even if you're a scumbag and you've got a straight pipe to one

and you're revving through Birmingham, what's that?

MSL car meets.

Yeah, MSL car meets style.

Fine.

But even if you're a refined gentleman,

you're still revving with 6.2.

We're all doing it.

But I said to my girlfriend,

I bet you he knows.

I'm going to...

Let me get a long side.

And I got a long side and he looked out the window and we went,

Oh, did you see?

And then at the next set of lights, we just did 6.2 things.

He put it in neutral and revved it.

Nice.

And I put it in neutral.

I revved it.

Nice.

And we did it back and forth four or five times.

And then we both left the lights at some gusto

because we were both at the front.

And then that was it.

That was the end of our relationship.

And then you both...

But at a standstill, it was like you both looked at each other and said,

Soft limiter.

Me too.

Yeah, unfortunately, I haven't had it mapped out yet.

But so we are both...

But it was just amazing to me that never met this man before.

But we both looked at each other and went,

6.2, me too.

It's not even the same model.

It's just engine.

And that's all he did.

So, A, if you're in that way, C63, shout out to you.

And if you're behind us at the lights, apologies.

Sorry, I don't know about that.

It's in social.

And yes, I did put the exhaust cutout open.

You do kind of have to do it.

It is a V8 after all.

We will finish up with a forum from Ben.

We will.

Is Ben prepared?

Yes.

Does he know what it is?

This is from a person who DM'd me called Joel Highfield.

Hello, Joel.

Hello.

Hi.

Mr. Rogers, I have a forum question I'd like to ask.

What is your guy's favourite engine from Factory?

Take into account fuel type, reliability, noise, cylinder

format, and induction, supercharged, twin charge.

What's your main reason for liking that engine?

Et cetera.

Favourite as in...

Your favourite engine.

What is it?

It's a great question at the end of the day.

I think that's too hard.

Well, you have to answer it because it's been asked.

Do you know what?

I think the...

Unfortunately, it's a bit basic, but the McLaren F1 is...

It's not only my favourite car.

It's got the best engine.

It's got the best induction noise.

However, in terms of like normal car, that doesn't make sense.

Not, you know, unobtainium.

5.5 Merc V8 supercharged, M113K.

That guy has no right...

It's because of the burnouts that the E55 does.

Are we saying...

I respect that engine on such a level.

Are we saying it's like a one engine that fits all,

or is it just favourite engine?

Most favourite engine.

That's far too hard.

Well, tough. You have to answer it.

Everything's got different spice.

Why don't you do it then?

When we'll think...

Right, right, right.

The idea is the spice of life.

I like the engine, the GTR.

You know what yours is.

It's got...

Surely it's the S65.

I was going to say S65.

But then like a V10 sounds better.

Yeah, true.

But what is it?

But what's yours?

A GTR engine?

Probably a GTR V6.

I just like it.

It's always tickled me.

I need more quotes.

Do you know what? It's not a bad shout.

It's reliable.

Very, very fast.

There you go.

And it sounds good.

It sounds good.

Two things you want from an engine, really.

So that's probably not a bad shout in terms of like a...

I mean, I'm not calling it daily driver engine.

Otherwise, what?

We're just going to talk about like a PD-130 or something.

I'd like some more from you, Ben.

What other ones?

Can we get some criteria?

Yeah.

What's your favourite?

No, let's...

But then there is no answer.

Because I don't have a favourite engine.

Well, I get one.

I don't have favourite friends.

I have family.

Is someone off with me a land bit?

Okay.

I would be 12 and a 5-liter V10 and an S65 or an F1 engine.

All right.

Shout out.

All right.

Here's what we'll do.

Sorry.

You picked this forum question.

Yeah.

What's your favourite car then?

What is your favourite?

Perfectly reasonable question to ask

if you were into cars.

Well, I don't think that is.

I think everyone is going to go,

I couldn't pick that in a month of Sundays.

Thanks, Joel.

You've ruined the podcast.

Yeah, you fool.

Now, they're angry.

Month of Sundays, not that long.

Only like three days for me.

What we'll do instead is we'll very quickly fire through quickly.

Each thing that he said, reliability, fun sound,

you're going to pick one for each.

Okay, surely.

One engine for each.

Yeah.

It's your engine.

That's your guy.

We're going to have...

We're going to start the boring one.

Reliability.

S65.

Reliability.

Now, what I will say to you is you don't have to pick one

that is necessarily bulletproof.

It could be like, I think the N57 sounds good at 4,000.

Reliability is something you could probably only comment on

if you've owned it.

Yes.

Because people say that's a reliable engine,

but never have owned it.

Exactly, yeah.

God, you're difficult.

If that...

Yeah, that's true.

If it's reliability wise, I like how stout a 2J is,

because I like the idea that you can turn something up.

I've always hated about MX-5s that when you turbo them,

you can go from 120 horsepower to 240, like safe.

I know that's double, right?

But it's still not that much.

240 is not that much.

Whereas a Supra, when we spoke to SRD...

We've done it.

...you can turn a Supra engine up a 2J to near 800 horsepower

with stock internals without touching anything,

without doing anything.

Now, I know that's near the limit, right?

But it's cool that you can go to 5600 horsepower.

We drove that R32 GTR completely standard internals,

520 horsepower, and it has been for years.

That's cool that an engine just goes, I live with it.

I'm fine with it.

That's a great answer.

It's your 2J.

Are you a G or a GTE?

Well, it's going to be a GTE, of course.

You want turbo?

Okay, all right, all right.

All right, I say it.

Just pick an engine, William.

But we're on the easiest one.

It's not that easy, though.

Of course it is, your pick.

Because you could go Superboring.

Oh, were you kidding?

I was about to say M57.

I've had two cars with M57, had no issues.

4.4?

Both.

4.4 in the Range Rover.

The Range Rover.

That's a fantastically reliable engine.

It does have little bits that go though.

But nothing major.

Like it's a reliable engine.

It can get beat on.

It's diesel.

It does bits.

That's a good engine.

Now, hang on.

I said, hang on a second.

Now, let we'll think then.

B58, not bad.

Now, unfortunately, I was thinking B58 is the answer for all of the best.

I've never experienced it.

But from my research and other people I know,

it seems like it's quite reliable.

You know what?

Have that.

There you go.

What's yours?

M57.

M57, the classic.

He's the guy.

You stole that from me.

You got that from me.

I had no idea what that engine was until you said it just then.

Yeah.

We also, we varied that one.

We got a nice little, we got a nice little toy.

All six of them.

BMW, you got Mercedes.

All around the world.

Well, two places.

Next category.

Did I say Mercedes?

Anyway, I don't know.

Next category is going to be...

We're going to go for...

Induction noise.

Then it is the McLaren F1 or it's the S54.

Yeah.

As a factory car, the answer is probably the McLaren F1.

But then induction noise.

What are we talking about?

Hell, we're talking about turbo noises.

It can be turbo.

Well, yeah, it's induction noise.

It's then like a P1 or a Veyron or a Chiron.

What do you call it?

What's it called?

The Bugatti that's convertible.

The Mistral.

That could be up there.

Now, the thing is, it's hard without experiencing them.

But like a P1, a P1 is one of the only cars on video

that I've even thought, that sounds ridiculous.

Yeah.

I would love to experience NA.

I would probably say it's a McLaren F1

with shortly followed up by a M3 CSL specifically.

Because standard M3 doesn't really have that.

No, yeah.

Has to have carbon.

Also, I actually think an S65 as in a standard E92 M3

has great induction noise for a standard car.

Very good.

S85?

I don't think it has as much as an S65.

No, but he has V10 induction suck.

For those of you that don't know, that is M5, E60, the V10 one.

It doesn't hit, but you need aftermarket things

to make that induction noise.

Hey.

No, that's not...

No, no, no.

Yeah, of course it is.

What are you talking about?

Of course it is.

You can't have mods.

It's still the engine.

No, Ben.

Okay, for an Airbox, any car with ITBs.

For this, an Airbox can count.

Much like when we get to the exhaust note,

you can have an exhaust system.

It doesn't have to be from factory.

No, that changes it completely.

Well, then change your answer.

No.

This is the worst put-to-get question.

That's what I think, like unchanged out of the box.

I'm going in your top three here, and it's all BMW.

Unsurprisingly, it's F1, M3 CSL,

and then I would probably put M392,

but I reckon there's probably a bunch of different cars

you could put in that fastball.

I think that is an agreement for me.

Ben, what's yours?

Well, I said I can't have S85.

Can I?

I like that noise.

I like Peter's noise.

What?

Peter from America.

Not Peter Trander.

No.

Don't think he has one of those.

He's got an S.

I mean, he has Nürburgring, doesn't he?

He might have a garage one.

He knows what he's done about.

Okay, so your Ben Ben's S85.

Brackets are cheating.

Cheat.

Shadda.

Next up.

We're going to go for shape and layout.

Shape and layout.

So, because you can say...

A V12 or a V10.

Yeah, but that could be specific.

Why don't you go with the V12 in the egg?

An LFA V10 is something that was special to me growing up

and hearing one in person was...

I know this gets into sound,

but that's what made me realize

V10s were like one of the guys.

That was my one.

One of the things to go for.

No, it's not.

I'm saying V8.

Yeah.

V8.

There are better sounding V10s.

In terms of noise and overall getting your peanuts going,

it's going to be V10 and V12,

but there are an array and expanse a variety of V8s.

Whereas V10s, there's differences.

What?

We haven't got to exhaust yet.

So, you can let that...

But that's why I'm saying V8 in this case,

because V8 is...

You could have a hiring V8.

You can have a...

There's a million different V8s.

Crossplane, there's all...

There are all manners of V8.

You can have an old Lopey V8.

You can have a modern high-revving V8.

You can have a turbo V8.

So, I'm going to say V8.

V8 is the engine of all engines.

Do you know what?

It's the worldwide engine.

You've convinced me.

You've charmed me.

Now, let me perhaps pull you back a little bit.

Because how many times have you heard of a V8 that you go,

there's a bit air, right?

Yeah, but that...

No, no, no.

Please let me speak.

So sorry, continue.

Now, a V10.

Yes, and a V12.

Yes, it's rare for them to not be good.

But tell me, when's the last time you heard an inline five

and you didn't go, oh!

Inline five always pleases like meats and cheeses.

Meats and cheeses.

They are forever.

You hear an inline five and you go, oh!

Although...

I should have had that on the other induction.

I still think it's got to say, like, if I hear a VR5,

it sounds good, but I still know that's slightly shit.

No, I know, but I'm saying inline five.

Oh, inline five, sorry.

Only inline five.

Because there's no...

There aren't really any...

Even like a...

Non-turbo, though.

Yeah, but even they sound good.

And like a Fiat Maria.

It's not just about sound.

That's not what I'm saying.

It's not just about that.

But what I'm saying is the whole vibe.

If I say to you inline five, you get excited.

I don't.

That's weird.

I like them.

Inline five turbo is my...

That's where I'm at.

Inline five, because there's nothing...

What was that noise?

There was a plane crashing outside.

No, that was my finger clicking.

Oh, I see it.

I just heard a whoo.

Oh, that's it.

But inline five, I don't know.

It would have to be something turbo for me.

Oh, no.

An IT beat inline five is whoo.

Where's the V8?

It's just got...

It's just got that.

I'm going.

It's got that range.

I've been convinced.

Fair enough.

I've sold them.

I've sold you.

And then what next?

Oh, sorry.

I'm asking such a...

I apologize.

You're so great.

The V8s are great, aren't they?

We're going to do next.

You know what?

Let's go for aspirations.

I'd like to be an astronaut.

Just want to feel peace.

Aspiration.

We're talking for people who don't know what that means.

We're talking, are you naturally aspirated?

Are you a turbo?

Are you twin turbo?

Now, if I'm honest, this is the impossible question for me.

Because...

When I've stuffed it.

Oh, sorry.

Let me answer for you.

There are...

It is completely dependent on each car.

But each car that I own personally,

ITBs are the thing that I tend to go for.

I'm looking for ITBs for the Clare 172.

I have ITBs on the M3.

I will get ITBs on the E36.

And when the Ferrari 550 happens,

it will have ITBs.

But you show me a toilet and I'll do all kinds of things.

And I'll destroy that thing.

I really will.

Ben is gone.

I felt like I was on such a roll there as well.

I was about to slam dunk that thought.

We were all locked in there.

All of the people listening were like, okay, here we go.

And here comes a big conclusion.

You show me a toilet.

I'll have a bow in there.

Cook it up.

If you show me a Toyota Starlet.

Yep.

That's fair.

I'm going silly star with that turbo.

Absolutely.

And if you show me an E55, I'm doing super charger things.

But ITBs, I think, is my go-to because noise.

Because best noise on earth.

We are all...

I'm striving for that and the Clare and F1.

When I think of the best engines, it's the...

I don't know.

Maybe Enzo Ferrari said this.

I was talking about turbos.

About that the engines don't need turbos.

An engine that needs turbos is shit or whatever.

The inspiration you grew up with, he said.

It's Enzo Ferrari.

But I'm going to say the best engines RNA.

As in like the most impressive and the best sounding normally.

Or when I think of the things I would dream of owning.

I'm like Azonda and Mercilago.

The Clare GT, even like the Glado.

They're NA engines.

They're just unbelievably special.

But turbo is quite cool.

It's really cool.

That's what it is.

It's cool.

Yeah.

Turbo and supercharger are cool.

And it's like that attainable cool.

It's like I can slap a turbo on something and it sounds good.

Even this MR2 turbo Ferrari thing behind.

It has a silly dump valve and it does make you smile a bit.

I'm going to say it though.

205.

If superchargers didn't exist.

I wouldn't be that upset.

I'm glad they exist.

But if I were to choose one to delete, it would be that therefore I can't choose it.

Turbo.

I don't think there's enough engines out there.

And again, a lot of turbos, they need modification as well.

They do need modification to make them actually sound and feel how you want.

So I'm going NA.

Question.

If superchargers didn't make noise.

Then I wouldn't care.

You wouldn't care at all.

That's fair.

That's what I was about to say.

I was going to say I only care about roots style superchargers,

which is the one a blower, which is the one that sits on the top and has the

impellers that chop into each other and make the wine.

Rotrex or that's like you reenacted M3 was cool, but it didn't have the noise.

But you enjoyed the pro charged Corvette because of how rowdy it was.

Yeah, but that didn't have that had a had a is it centrifugal?

Yeah.

But if it had the Hellcat's root supercharger, I'd love it way more.

Oh, wow.

If it would, that would be the one.

No, Will's answered.

No, I want you to go.

Ben, what are you?

NA.

I haven't experienced enough of the other two.

80,000 is GD.

GD is turbo.

On turbo diesel is my favorite.

The 1.7 SDI.

I like it at NA.

I don't know much about the other two.

I've never really owned anything that isn't diesel.

Yeah, although you haven't had yet a cool turbo car.

But remember the Camara?

Sorry, actually.

Remember the Camara?

That was...

Yeah, no.

I dream about that.

But I didn't...

I've never...

Yeah, you never drive.

I've never driven it.

We managed to get the other day off camera.

I've never actually driven any of these cars.

I just experienced when I sit there and I watch.

Because you're...

I think...

Possibly I am.

I think...

It was cars.

This might sound ever so slightly car elitist,

but you have to be somewhat of a connoisseur, a carnoisseur,

if you will.

Very nice.

To appreciate a good naturally aspirated engine.

I do believe you can be quite...

How do I word this?

If I may...

Basically, your brain can be quite...

Sorry, it's as you're saying.

Basically, if you disagree with me...

You're not clever enough.

If I may...

Precisely.

If I may...

It's the thinking man's aspiration.

Yeah, absolutely.

But I would say that a turbo...

It's just an easy way to fool someone into thinking it's quite exciting.

I mean, the R32 versus the NSX, Ben, you went out in it as a passenger.

Immediately, you preferred the R32 because it went and did a big pull.

Yeah, it also was significantly quicker.

But it's the speed, it's the way it does that.

Especially if you're a passenger as well,

you're not necessarily driving it.

It's like...

How would I say this?

It's like the BMW comparison would be the people that like an F80 or an M140 and they go,

cool, I can tune this up, I'll get this massive surge of boost,

and it's very, very fast and it will spin through eight gears and whatever else.

But they'll drive an E92 or an E46 and go,

this is slow, this is boring because they don't get it.

They don't understand why that's cool,

why that sounds as good as it does, which is partly down to taste,

but I still think you need a certain little brain cell.

That makes you understand how good an NA engine can be.

It's your NA?

Yep.

I'm an NA.

Oh, you're an NA?

Yeah.

And you're an A2?

Yeah.

Cool, next up.

NA T.

Is there more?

Final one.

Here we go.

Here he is.

It's the big one.

It's the guy.

It's him.

We will be waiting for exhaust.

It's between two for me.

Yeah, it's the same.

I think it's the same two.

Is it 10 and 12?

It's 10 and 12.

10 and 12, which is where you should be holding your steering wheel.

You can't say specific...

If you're one of those, what was it?

What you're saying earlier about the folks I raised on this?

They're at 10 and 12.

Um, it can be specific engines.

This isn't just layout.

Specific.

Ah, garden hell.

Then it's a Zonda, which is an M16 or M...

It's based on a Mercedes V12.

That engine, like hearing that Zonda R,

that Zonda R is unlike nearly any other engine on Earth.

It really is.

You've heard V12s, but you haven't heard one like this.

And then...

LP640, most of your art go.

Lovely.

I have two.

Enzo.

You have two of those LP640s.

Can we have one?

No.

Great.

I have two.

Okay.

It's the V12 in the Aventador.

I knew it was coming, the SVJ.

And it's the V12 in the V12 Vantage.

You know what?

You've sold me on that.

Not on that last one.

But on the...

When you mentioned the Aventador there,

when I think of what stuff really makes me cream.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

It's going to be...

Like listen every week.

It's Zonda R.

It's LP640.

It's Aventador.

Now, V10s are good.

Yes.

But V12s are better.

Being wild about that is a V10.

I love V12s.

But the fact of the matter is,

if I could afford it, I'd have the V12.

Heard.

And I'd be the same.

So...

No, I'd be the same.

That's...

Well, I think I was just lovely.

We all agree in the end.

Please drop down in the comments what you...

What?

Man who says his favorite sounding car is a GTR.

True.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I've always said the same thing,

which is that...

There are two...

Alex, see you laser.

If you're not busy, find me where M10 says

his favorite sounding car.

I like both of you.

You set him on missions like he works for us.

He's like, I'm getting paid for this.

A man that just does things out of his...

No, no, right.

I want you to go back through every podcast and find...

I have been wondering...

But you might know it.

I have been wondering where the next Outer Context is.

No, there's been one about it.

If there is...

That was quite good.

I did see that there.

Very sure one.

That's quite good.

But if there is still coming, I would love to watch that.

This is an aside.

And also the video from see you laser.

But you literally said, I vividly remember you saying

that that is the best sounding car.

Here's one.

Shut up for a sec.

Yep.

V6 in the GTR R35 has been the car that I have listened to and thought the longest.

Alongside...

You listened to an hour compilation.

Alongside the event store when it came out,

because I was a young child,

it's the car you grew up with.

I think grew up with one thing.

Famously.

Well, you did.

I didn't.

Some sort of pool car.

And most recently, a C6 Corvette.

Those are my three favorites.

And that's what I will stand by.

So V6 V8 and V12.

Not helpful.

No, but I'm saying to you that the event store is up there for me.

Oh, and V12 Vantage.

That's the one.

I don't know.

V12, for sure.

Okay.

Well, in that case, drop in the comments your favorites contenders for each of those ending

types.

I think we'll wrap it up there.

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