C.R.E.A.M. #87 - Ben's S2K Sold, Vans Are The Best and The New M3
C.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast) · Jun 18, 2026
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Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a two-seat convertible-style sports car. It’s known for being fun to drive and having an engine that revs high. The podcast mentions it because someone thought it was their dream car.
Car
Pontiac Solstice
The Pontiac Solstice is a small sports car with two seats. It’s designed to be fun to drive and more affordable than many other sports cars. The podcast mentions it briefly while talking about the “solstice” word.
Car
Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sports car made by Porsche. It’s designed to handle really well and feel fun to drive, partly because the engine sits closer to the middle of the car.
Term
blowy upy
“Blowy upy” is a joking way to say the car’s engine or important parts might fail badly. They’re basically saying they don’t want to risk a serious breakdown again.
Term
tire smoke
“Tire smoke” happens when the tires spin and lose grip, usually from too much throttle. The host is saying the stronger car would make it easier for them to spin the tires.
Term
lock stops
“Lock stops” are the hard limits that stop the steering from turning any further. Hitting them usually means you turned too far, which can make the car harder to control.
Car
Porsche Boxster
The Porsche Boxster is a small two-seat sports car you can drive with the top down. It’s designed to feel sporty and fun to drive. People talk about it because some owners have had certain problems that may affect maintenance.
Car
Chevrolet Spin
The Chevrolet Spin is a car made to carry passengers and everyday stuff. It’s more about practicality than sports performance. The podcast mentions it because of the word “spin.”
Concept
while you're in there
"While you're in there" is the common shop strategy of doing additional related work during a major teardown, because the labor access is already paid for. It can be cost-effective for items that are hard to reach, but it can also balloon the total cost if everything gets replaced at once.
Term
clutch
The clutch is what allows you to change gears without grinding them. It connects and disconnects the engine from the gearbox, and in some high-end cars the parts can cost a lot.
Term
release bearing
The release bearing helps the clutch disengage when you press the pedal. When you’re already doing a clutch job, shops often replace it too, so it can add a big chunk to the cost.
Term
Kevlar
Kevlar is a strong, heat-resistant material. Some clutch companies use Kevlar in the clutch material to help it last longer and handle heat better.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Mercer Largo
This is a classic Mercedes-Benz Mercer model. The host is talking about the exhaust parts they’re installing, because exhaust design strongly affects the car’s sound.
Term
X-pipe
An X-pipe is a special exhaust pipe shape where the exhaust paths cross. It can make the engine sound different and sometimes smoother.
Term
sports cats
“Sports cats” are upgraded catalytic converters meant to let exhaust gases pass more easily. That can make the car breathe better and sound different.
Car
RS6
RS6 is a high-performance Audi model. The host is basically saying it’s less annoying to work on than the other car they’re dealing with.
Term
Convertical check
It’s a background check you run before buying a car. It looks for warning signs like accident history, theft, or fake mileage so you don’t get tricked.
Term
clocked
“Clocked” means the seller has messed with the car’s mileage to make it look like it has been driven less than it really has.
Car
Land Rover Range Rover
The Range Rover is a large luxury SUV. It’s designed to be comfortable for long drives and still handle rough roads. The podcast mentions it as a choice based on how much driving the person expected to do.
Car
Ford Ranger
The Ford Ranger is a pickup truck with a bed for carrying things. People choose it for practical use, but the podcast also talks about comfort features like air conditioning. It’s mentioned because one version felt less comfortable than another.
Term
heater windscreen
A heater windscreen is a windshield with built-in heating to help clear it faster. If it’s damaged, the car may need extra setup so everything works properly afterward.
Term
calibrating
“Calibrating” here means the car has to be re-set after windshield replacement or damage. That’s often needed so cameras/sensors on the windshield can work correctly.
Term
passenger side
“Passenger side” is the side of the car where the passenger sits. They’re saying they did the damage on that specific side.
Place
Nurburgring
The Nürburgring is a legendary race track in Germany. People use it to test how well a car really handles, especially over multiple laps.
Car
Ferrari Luce
The Ferrari Luce is a Ferrari model name mentioned in the podcast. It’s brought up as something the hosts are going to talk about. The details in the clip are limited, but it’s clearly treated as a Ferrari vehicle.
Car
Jeep Renegade
The Jeep Renegade is a small SUV. It’s meant for everyday driving but with a higher seating position and SUV-style practicality. The podcast mentions it because someone liked it when they checked it out.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a very famous high-performance supercar. It’s known for being loud, fast, and special-looking. The podcast brings it up because people often want it for its iconic Ferrari identity.
Car
Ferrari 355
The Ferrari 355 is a famous older Ferrari supercar. It’s known for being a mid-engine V8 and for its classic 1990s look and feel.
Car
Lamborghini Reventon
The Lamborghini Reventon is a rare, high-performance Lamborghini supercar with a very distinctive, aggressive look. Here, the host is saying it’s one of the cars you can see in the Lamborghini factory museum.
Car
Lamborghini Centenario
The Lamborghini Centenario is a limited-run Lamborghini made to celebrate the company’s 100-year anniversary. The host is pointing out that you can see one at the Lamborghini factory museum.
Term
6.2 liter V12
A V12 is an engine with 12 cylinders, shaped like a V. “6.2 liters” tells you the engine’s size, basically how much space the cylinders move through.
Term
580 horsepower
Horsepower is a number that describes how strong the engine is. Higher horsepower usually means the car can accelerate more quickly.
Concept
one off
A one-off means it was basically built as a single unique car, not something many people could buy. The host is saying this was a special, rare version.
Term
Targa
A Targa is an open-top style of car that still keeps a strong roof/roll-bar structure. It’s meant to feel more open than a coupe, but safer and stiffer than a full convertible.
Term
top speed 220 miles an hour
Top speed is the highest speed the car can reach. The host is basically saying that number sounds too high for that time period.
Place
Fiorano
Fiorano is Ferrari’s home test area in Italy. It’s where Ferrari evaluates cars, and it’s also linked to special customer access and events.
Concept
Corsa Clienti room
“Corsa Clienti” sounds like a Ferrari customer-only area. It’s the kind of place where owners get special access to rare cars or behind-the-scenes stuff, not something you just walk into.
Term
Dodecchi Cylinderi
“Dodecchi Cylinderi” is basically saying “12 cylinders.” More cylinders often means the engine can run smoother and feel more refined, and it can change how the car delivers power.
Car
Ferrari 12
The Ferrari 812 Superfast is a high-performance Ferrari designed for fast, long-distance driving. The podcast mentions it in connection with having a 12-cylinder engine. That’s one of the main things people talk about with this model.
Term
three-pedal version
“Three-pedal” generally means the car has a clutch pedal plus the brake and gas pedals. It usually points to a more traditional manual-style way of driving.
Term
12-cylinder
A “12-cylinder” engine has twelve combustion chambers. Cars with big 12-cylinder engines are known for strong, smooth power and a special sound.
Term
limited run manual
This means a car model will be made in a small number of copies, and it will be offered with a stick shift. Since fewer people can buy a manual version, it can make those cars more sought-after.
Car
599 manual
Ferrari’s 599 is a powerful V12 sports car. A “manual” version means it uses a stick shift, which is uncommon for modern supercars, so it can make those cars more desirable—and more expensive.
Term
aftermarket
Aftermarket means something added or changed by a third party, not the car’s original maker. Here, the host is saying they don’t want a fake or third-party manual setup instead of a real factory one.
Car
Lamborghini Huracan
The Lamborghini Huracán is a high-performance supercar. It’s known for very strong acceleration and dramatic styling. The podcast mentions it because it’s described as having around 900 horsepower.
Car
Dodge Journey
The Dodge Journey is a larger family-style SUV. It’s meant for carrying people and everyday items comfortably. The podcast mentions it because it was used for traveling between locations.
Term
steelies
“Steelies” just means the van has steel wheels (not fancy alloy wheels). They’re usually cheaper and can take more abuse.
Term
Bluetooth
Bluetooth in a car lets your phone connect wirelessly so you can play music or make calls without plugging in a cable.
Car
Ford Transit 350 leader P slash V Eco Blue Group V3
This is a Ford Transit van, which is built for hauling people or cargo. The “EcoBlue” part usually means it’s a modern diesel setup meant to be cleaner and more efficient than older diesels.
Car
Sprinter
A Sprinter is a big Mercedes van that comes in longer versions. The longer wheelbase usually gives you more room inside, which is why people compare vans by that “long” setup.
Term
long wheelbase
“Long wheelbase” means the van is stretched longer from front to back. That usually gives you more room inside, which matters when you’re hauling furniture.
Car
Volkswagen Lupo
The Volkswagen Lupo is a small hatchback car. It’s meant for simple everyday driving and is relatively compact. The podcast mentions it in a story-like way involving something that happened to the car.
Car
E46 M3
The E46 M3 is a BMW performance model from the E46 generation. The host is saying that when you drive it hard, the oil you use matters a lot to keep the engine healthy.
Term
viscosity
Viscosity is how “thick” the oil is. If oil gets too thin when it’s hot, it can’t protect engine parts as well—so the host is saying this oil holds up under heat.
Term
oil finder
An oil finder is a website tool that helps you pick the right oil for your specific car. You enter your car details and it tells you what oil to buy.
Car
Rolls Royce Phantom
The Rolls-Royce Phantom is a very expensive, top-tier luxury car. The host is saying they saw a rare hearse based on one, and it looked like a 2000s-era Phantom.
Car
Phantom Drop Head
The Phantom is a very expensive luxury car from Rolls-Royce. The “drophead” version is the convertible, meaning the roof can open. The podcast mentions it because you can see more when the top is down.
Car
MGTF
MGTF is a small British sports car from MG. People talk about it because it’s a convertible, and the roof design affects how the car feels and looks.
Car
MGF
The MGF is a small British sports car from MG. It’s a convertible, and the conversation here is about how the roof is shaped and where it covers the car.
Term
concertina type thing
They’re describing a convertible roof that folds up in pleats, kind of like an accordion. The goal is usually to make the roof take up less space when it’s down.
Car
Gordon T50
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a very special, high-performance supercar. The podcast talks about it because there’s a video of it in a garage. It’s the kind of car people notice and discuss due to how unique it is.
Car
Ford Fiesta
The Ford Fiesta is a popular small car that Ford sells in Europe. The hosts are saying Ford is stopping it, and that’s important because it used to help sell a lot of cars there.
Car
Renault 5
The Renault 5 is a well-known small Renault hatchback from the past. In this discussion, it’s used as a reference point for what a new electric/modernized model might be based on.
Car
Alpine A110
The Alpine A110 is a small two-seat sports car. It’s designed to feel quick and nimble to drive. The podcast also mentions that it has connections to other cars in its engineering background.
Concept
big relaunch
A “big relaunch” here means Ford is reworking its product strategy—potentially introducing new models or repositioning its lineup—because its European sales have fallen sharply. The hosts connect the relaunch to Ford’s need to respond to changing demand and competition.
Term
electric
“Electric” means the car runs on electricity stored in a battery, not gasoline. The hosts are wondering if the shift toward electric cars is part of why Ford’s European sales have fallen.
Car
Ford Focus
The Ford Focus is another popular Ford model, also sold in Europe. The hosts are saying Ford is ending it, which helps explain why their European sales have dropped.
Car
Sierra
The host mentions the Ford Sierra as an example of an older Ford model name. Their point is that Ford has often replaced one model name with a newer one over time.
Car
Mondeo
The host brings up the Ford Mondeo as another example of a Ford model name that eventually got replaced. Their point is about how Ford changes the lineup over time.
Car
escort
The host mentions the Ford Escort as another older Ford model name. The takeaway is that Ford has a pattern of moving on from older names to newer ones.
Car
Ford Capri
The Ford Capri is a car name that used to be known for a sporty look. In the podcast, they talk about it being brought back. That means Ford is reusing the Capri name for a new vehicle.
Car
Mitsubishi Evo 5RS
This is a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, a fast, rally-style car. “5RS” refers to a specific trim that’s usually more stripped-down and sporty, and the speaker is describing its exterior details like the spoiler and wheels.
Car
Volkswagen Golf
A Volkswagen Golf is a common compact car that a lot of people modify. Here, the speaker is talking about a heavily modified one with a wide-body look around the rear wheel area.
Term
wide body
“Wide body” means the car’s fenders are made wider, usually with added panels. People do it for looks, and sometimes so the car can run wider wheels and tires.
Car
Audi R8
The Audi R8 is a famous high-performance supercar. Here, the host is saying the limited-run new car isn’t meant to directly replace the Audi R8—more like a special, smaller-batch version.
Car
Tesla Cybertruck
The Tesla Cybertruck is an electric pickup with a very sharp, boxy design. The host is basically saying the new car looks a bit like that in shape and styling.
Concept
production will be limited to 499 units
The host is talking about a plan to only build a fixed number of cars—499. Limiting the number is meant to make the car feel rare, and they’re debating whether that number is “rare enough.”
Car
Lamborghini
Lamborghini is a supercar brand. The host is saying this limited-run car is based on Lamborghini’s underlying design, which usually means it can be developed faster because it shares core parts.
Term
platform
A “platform” is the car’s underlying base—its main structure and major design pieces. If this car is on a Lamborghini platform, it likely shares core engineering with Lamborghini cars.
Car
Audi A3
The Audi A3 is a compact car. It’s known for having a nice-looking, comfortable interior. The podcast mentions it because the interior design looked like it could belong to the A3.
Term
mid-engine
“Mid-engine” means the engine is located closer to the middle of the car. That can help the car feel more balanced and easier to control when turning.
Car
Genesis G90 wingback
They mention a Genesis concept called the G90 wingback. It sounds like a special body style idea—something with a distinctive roof/rear shape—rather than a normal production car.
Car
BMW M5
The BMW M5 is a fast, high-performance version of a BMW sedan. It’s built to deliver strong acceleration and sporty driving. The podcast brings it up because the car being discussed resembles an M5.
Place
quail
The Quail is a very exclusive car show that happens during Monterey Car Week. It’s known for fancy, rare cars and a more “collector” vibe than a typical public car meet.
Car
BMW i3
The BMW i3 is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s built to be practical for everyday driving, especially in cities. The podcast mentions it because the speaker already liked it.
Term
concept
A “concept” car is a show car or design preview. It’s not the final version you’ll necessarily be able to buy, so the real production model may look more toned down.
Term
saloon shape
“Saloon shape” basically means a classic sedan body style—usually a four-door car with a separate trunk. The shape can affect how the car drives and how efficiently it cuts through the air.
Term
hybrid
A hybrid uses a regular gas engine plus an electric motor. It can help with efficiency and smoothness, but it often adds weight because of the battery.
Term
two tonne
“Two tonne” means the car weighs about 2,000 kilograms. Heavier cars can feel slower and need more braking effort, so weight is a big deal for performance.
Term
two tons
“Two tons” is just a way of saying the car is very heavy—around 4,000 pounds. Heavier cars can feel slower and can need more effort to stop and turn compared to lighter ones.
Term
six or 700 horsepower
Horsepower is a number that describes how strong the car’s power is. “Six or 700 horsepower” means an extremely powerful car, the kind that can accelerate very hard.
Car
Maserati Gran Turismo
The Maserati GranTurismo is a luxury car designed for comfortable long drives. In the podcast, they mention whether it’s now electric, meaning it may use an electric powertrain. The point is that the car’s technology may have changed.
Concept
tax whale
“Tax whale” is slang for a super-high earner who can take advantage of tax breaks. The point here is that some people might buy a car mainly because of taxes, not because they really want it.
Person
Gordon Murray
Gordon Murray is a famous car engineer/designer. The hosts are saying they’ve tried to get him involved, because he’s a big name in the car industry.
Person
Denzer
“Denzer” sounds like the name of a person the hosts are talking to. The clip doesn’t give enough detail to know exactly who they mean.
Car
D9 Denzer
I can’t tell which car “D9” refers to from the snippet alone. If you tell me the brand or what it’s being compared with, I can explain what that car is.
Term
clear
“Clear” here is shorthand for the clear paint layer on the car. If that clear coat is in good shape, the car looks better and can cost more.
Car
Clio 197
The Clio 197 is a sportier version of the Renault Clio. Here it’s mentioned as a cheap used car you might find online, but the point is that a “good” one depends on what repairs and maintenance it’s already had.
Concept
decent car
A “decent car” here doesn’t just mean cheap or good-looking. It means the important repairs and maintenance have already been taken care of, so you’re not inheriting a bunch of problems.
Term
belts
“Belts” usually means a timing belt, which helps the engine’s moving parts stay in sync. If it’s not replaced when it should be, you can end up with major engine problems.
Part
radiator support
The radiator support is the metal structure that holds the radiator in place. If it’s been damaged or repaired, it can matter a lot for how well the cooling system sits and works.
Term
MOT
MOT is a UK safety/emissions check that cars have to pass to be legal to drive. They’re saying the cheap car might be close to passing that check.
Concept
bottom of the barrel car
They mean the cheapest used cars. The risk is that you might pay less at first, but then you’ll have to spend money fixing problems later.
Car
Lamborghini Diablo
The Lamborghini Diablo is a supercar made by Lamborghini. It’s known for dramatic styling and high performance. The podcast mentions it because it’s one of the cars someone owns in their collection.
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Hello and welcome back to the 87th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast
with myself, Edwin, Ben to my left and William behind the camera.
Hello.
Wow.
No, if this is your first podcast, that's not correct.
Sorry, Will is on my left. Ben is over there.
Hello.
Before we start every podcast, we answer the question,
the Cars Rule or ruin everything around us?
It's been two weeks.
Three.
Since we recorded the podcast.
Shout out.
It's been three weeks.
I had two weeks of great silence away from you.
Anyway, we have things to talk about.
Benjamin.
I'll kick it off.
Oh, football for that reason.
I'm in rule.
Okay.
My golf.
We did a video on the second channel where we serviced it.
The one on top comments in the video is,
did Ben just want a free service?
And hey, listen, it wouldn't hurt.
But it wouldn't hurt.
Can a guy just get a service around?
Yeah.
Did that.
That's nice.
Look, get to the point.
Did some good maintenance on that.
No one's here for that.
We're not here for that.
Yes, the thousand has been sold.
Jesus Christ.
He's done it.
It was sold to a man.
And that man is not a creamer.
No.
Was he blind?
No, he sold him a good car for a good price.
For a good price.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
What did you not tell him?
I was actually, it's honest, I physically.
Was there five grand in the boat?
Ben showed him a press photo of it.
I see that was great.
I'll take that.
No, I took it to a lovely village green.
Okay.
So it was warm.
So you driven it?
No.
No.
No.
No.
Did he get to see it from cold start?
Yeah, he did.
I did.
Like our Golf R owner, Cold Start?
Cold Start.
Like it's going to be a cold start.
It's going to be a cold start.
It's going to be a cold start.
I always make sure it's always a cold start.
It actually was a cold start.
Okay.
I sold it.
It took two hours to sell it.
Two hours.
Two hours.
I put it on my car.
From the moment I put it on.
That's quite a long auction.
The moment I put it online, I was like shaking hands.
It was like two hours.
Crazy.
That's usually how you know you're selling too cheap.
It's crazy.
It's all the time.
I was like, well, so, well, either way, he's gone.
He's gone.
How do you feel about this?
I am happy it's gone.
Wow.
Crazy.
Now there's something we will get on to later on.
Ben's put it on the little list to talk about.
He sent me earlier on and said, oh, you're going to have to prepare yourself for an official
L.
I got confused.
But it turns out that the table has been turned.
No, because you say, hang on, just keep your mouth silent for just one moment.
I will.
So someone will know that I mentioned this podcast at one point.
It may have even been done privately at first.
It was privately at first.
That you would sell that car, despite you going, it's my dream car.
I'll never sell the S2000.
Turns out it wasn't my dream car.
And he muffed my name.
And I thought, I just had the feeling that you wouldn't get on with it.
You would never gel with it eventually and you would eventually sell it.
And I said that quite soon.
I was being kind of ambitious.
I said, wait, the summer solstice, which I believe is in the Butter Week or so.
June 23rd, maybe?
June 21st, I want to say it is.
So days away.
And you sold it, but he seemed, Ben seemed to think that the bet I made is that he would
sell it after the summer solstice.
So I was saying he would like it and keep it.
What sort of bet do you think I'm making?
I'm betting that you'll keep this three months and 15 days.
Because of how much you like it.
I think you'll sell it, but not before the summer solstice.
When you said it, it made sense when you said it.
However, like what I thought was that you were, I thought that we made the bet after I
was going to sell it, which is obviously not true.
And that you were saying you're going to take ages to sell it because you're bad at selling cars.
But bet two.
Yeah.
I entered the fray now.
What's that?
Yeah.
Go on.
And I want my painting.
If it happens.
Tell the folks who don't know.
So bet one, you would sell the SD 1000 before the summer solstice, which I have done.
Making bets like groveling medieval peasants.
We will settle it with a jewel at dawn.
Yeah.
I think.
So that one of one.
Pretty sure.
Pretty pleased about that.
That's the second one.
Will's got an acagog.
The odds on this one are really insane.
And then the next one was that if the SD 1000 was to be sold, or when, that you wouldn't
buy a car before Christmas.
Now you for some reason moved that to the end of the year because you thought that extra
little five or six days in between Christmas and a year is golden time.
We used to have bought our time off around Christmas.
The three of us.
Two or three days.
Yeah.
Also most people by the end of the year, us by the birth of Christ, the baby Jesus.
Once the new year has been brought in with fireworks, you will not buy a car.
So is that feeling positive for me or?
No, for me, it's feeling good because I'm now starting to think about what I want to
buy.
That is cash in the bank.
Okay.
But you must know listeners that when Ben starts to think about something, we're years
away.
We're years away from commitment going on there.
It starts with thinking and then we're going to go through a phase of I'm not, I'm not
going to do it.
I can't do it.
And then it will go back to thinking for a while and then we'll have a tease of commitment
where it's like, I'm going to go look at one.
I'll look at one this week.
And then after that, it goes back to, no, I'm not doing it.
And then we will have to intervene.
Exactly.
Correct.
But I don't want to intervene because what I'm owed is far better.
Even if we end up making a video, I don't care about any of that.
I want my painting.
So here's my issue.
There's nothing I want.
Let's tee up the artist.
I usually have a pretty clear idea of what I would like.
And I found myself in this position where I don't know what I want to buy.
There's nothing right now that's standing out to me and going, oh, I really want to own
that.
So I think you need to taste a few.
Yeah.
You usually go on a tasting course.
Yeah.
So eight course.
Swirl them around a little bit.
Oh, quite like a clear 197 or 200.
Right.
A little cheaper sort of little freshening up of my, my car ownership.
Cool.
I know where I was going with that.
I thought the word might arrive at some point.
Forgot I was on a podcast for a second, if I'm honest.
Or I quite, I still really want a Cayman.
Lovely.
Now they're right on the other end of the spectrum to each other in terms of cost.
So I don't know.
And I had some to admit to you.
I think I would buy a normal Cayman.
You wouldn't buy an S.
I would like an S, but there are two reasons why I probably wouldn't on this occasion do
that.
Number one, blowy upy.
Yes.
And you know what I'm like with cars that blowy up.
Yeah.
And also after the S 2000 debacle where I lost my confidence in it, I think that I think
a 2.7 or 2.9 would suffice for me.
Yeah, but it's a difference of like 30 horsepower.
It's not going to save you.
But what I mean is that like just easing into this sort of thing.
I think that would, would suit me nicely.
Then go round and round about 10 go, if I had the S, I'd have spun that.
I'd be, I'd be that much.
It would have been tire smoke.
I would have been on the lock stops.
What I mean though, as well as that I'm not going to, it feels like a lot more hassle
and worry and, and, and maintenance for something that I'm probably not going to make any
stuff.
You don't want the worry of a car that you're going to be panicked about.
So you think it's going to blow up?
Yeah.
Plus your money.
It's going to, for context, the earlier 2.7 and 2.9 are far more reliable than the 3.4,
which has the big time blow up issues and full score issues and all that sort of stuff.
And two put Boxster not, not one other convertible.
Cause it's the ones that spin.
Yeah.
That's it.
No, I like the big raindrops on the roof.
I like convertible in the summer, but we live in the UK.
So there is like eight months a year where it's basically pointless.
Okay.
So because, and then the entire time I haven't got a garage.
So it's just sitting on the road.
2000 really hurt you.
Yeah.
You still want to deal with anything like that.
But then like all good, bad relationships in a year or two, he's going to go, I'm back.
I want it back.
I don't want that back.
Listen, I was just bad timing.
Yeah.
I don't like it.
Right person, right car wrong time.
No, we didn't click.
Oh, the spark was gone before even started.
There was never a spark.
It was never a spark.
I tried to make, create a spark.
I tried to create spark.
But anyway, I guess my current thinking is Cayman, normal Cayman, cue the comments of
you want the 30.4?
I don't care.
But then hold horses.
Yeah.
Consider the horses hell.
Yep.
The 2.7, the 2.9 they are the thinking man's Cayman.
They are there.
Now, the average punter would go out and get yourself 3.4, but really the sweet spot is 2.7.
Mason We're very good. Probably actually watch that somewhere, if I'm honest.
Mason Now, can you wear a really ill-fitting suit?
What we got next?
Mason Well, we need to know what you guys are.
Mason What's your rule?
Mason Ah, I don't know. I would just say rule. There's a few reasons to remain in there,
because much of the log has been checked out by some professionals at SBR. Overall, it actually
is a generally good bill of health.
Mason But not a good bill.
Mason Never.
Mason Not a good... Well, you know what? We don't know what the bill is yet, but we will certainly
find out.
Mason Which is always a tough thing to hear.
Mason I would say, because we don't know, that does mean it's bad.
Mason Yeah. So, I'm hoping by the time this podcast goes out, it may be... It should be
having an emotive this week, unless there are any more delays doing little jobs. They're doing
some jobs and sorting some bits out so it can be on the road and usable this summer.
I want to at least get somewhere out of it, and then I can deal with other things after that.
There might be an engine that needs to come out of the car. That might be biblically expensive,
but I knew that would happen eventually. I just don't want it to happen yet.
Mason Yeah.
Mason If I can get six months to a year out of it before any kind of the big jobs need to
happen, then fine.
Mason Would you say it's a redacted amount of work at the moment?
Mason It certainly is, because taking an engine out is... I don't really want to do it,
because it takes a lot of time.
Mason Now, it's cheap though, right?
Mason Yeah.
I'm all right in saying that to take an engine out of Lamborghini Merciergo,
you must construct a trebuchet.
Mason Yes. You cannot use a normal engine crane. You have to use this great big frame.
Some people suspend them from lifts and stuff like what we've got here.
And then you have to... It's the sort of thing you'd use to sort of
relieve a tree stump. Not relieve it, but relieve the ground of a tree stump. Crazy.
So, it's because you take the engine and the box out all in one, and it's a big lump.
And it is... Yeah. Not pleasant. So, you tend to do the clutch and some other jobs while you're in
there, but it's all very expensive. All the parts are very expensive. And then the labor to do it,
it's a few days.
Mason It's a different version of car peoples while you're in there.
But usually, it's while you're in there, do rods for $300.
Merciergo while you're in there is just do another $20K,
or do another $50K while you're in there.
Mason Yeah. Just do another. And it can be.
Mason Oh.
Mason I don't think I do. There are ways round lots of those things.
I'm really hoping someone will come out with some form of a decent aftermarket clutch.
I don't know how someone hasn't done that yet. Clutches are £5,000.
And then the release bearing is £4,000. For reference, normally you get a release bearing
with a clutch gear and they might cost, I don't know, £30 up to £100. How can it be?
4,000. And no one has made one. It's Lamborghini or nothing.
I think there's a couple of... I've heard some companies that rebuild clutches.
There's a Kevlar one, I think, in the US.
Mason That's wild. Rebuilding a clutch because of how expensive the original clutch is.
Mason So, but I will cross that bitch when I...
Mason Cross that bitch?
Mason I'm going to cross that bitch when I come to it.
I will cross that bridge. That's what I mean.
Mason You're playing basketball against Ben.
I will cross that bridge once I come to it. Other than that, what else is there?
Mason Well, you've got... I have been away for a few weeks and you've been working on this thing.
Mason Oh, the golf has been there. Oh, actually,
also pipes have arrived for the Mercedes-Benz Mercer Largo, which is obviously...
I've been told, you know, in these lots of little jobs,
so I said, well, let's get a fab speed going. I've been talking to Fab Speed for a little while
and I told them about Mercer Largo and they said, yeah, we've got a system for that.
This is the exhaust to me for a Mercer Largo. So it's got an X-pipe with these bigotel
tailpipes as well. Plus, I've already got sports cats that's going to make a very, very good noise.
But Mercer Largo is coming along nicely. I'm getting a bit frustrated because it's been,
I think, around about two months now since the auction and I haven't driven the car
on the road yet, but soon come. What else we got? Golf will get to in a sec.
I've got all my bits now as well. So that's kind of rule. So that's cage, seats, all those bits.
And then, yeah, the golf. The golf would almost put this as a room in.
So I came in this morning, haven't seen the guys for a while, and I said,
how's the golf? Because you guys are doing some things. And there was sullen looks and anger on
faces. It was just the video won't be out yet. So we won't say too much.
No, it won't be out yet. But there's a couple of leaks this car had. If you know golf
hours or you know this engine, you'll know exactly what it is. Just the shittiest job.
I would rather work on the RS6 for the next two weeks straight than ever do anything on a
golf hour ever again. Where was a sad man and I couldn't help him? There was nothing I could do.
The multiple occasions where I offered my help. The M140 is a distant memory at this point. But
my God, what a glorious automobile that was to work on. Everything works. Everything's in the
right place. Nothing's there. There are plastic bits for sure. But everything on this engine is
plastic. Everything is plastic on this car. And nah. So no, so not great on the golf hour.
If it wasn't for a mercy, I would be in the deep depths of ruin.
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I am in ruin for car reasons. I was away in in Florida, not at his house, just in the state of
Florida. And I decided to rent a car while I was there. So I went on Churro because I do believe
Churro is better than renting at a not sponsored, at a what do you call it? From a rental because
you can get something interesting. You can get something cool. So I got a Range Rover because
my thinking was I was doing lots of the parks, all of the Disney and that sort of stuff.
The last thing I want to do is come out from a 30, 40 degree day and go straight into a brown
beige horrible thing that has is nasty inside and doesn't have working AC. Whereas a soft
plush Ranger was very nice. All two weeks perfect. All good. The second to last night,
driving home, I hear bang. I look up to Rockchip on the windscreen. Oh, no. Who's responsible for
that? That's you. That's me. Oh, it's an L405. It's an L405 with a heater windscreen,
which needs all the calibrating and which needs all the calibrating things. So that is going to
cost me probably what I paid for the rental again in my damaged liability.
There's no insurance for it. I'm sure you could have chosen some, but did I?
No, of course not. So that's tough. I'm an idiot. No, I will fully admit this is on
me. This is no one else's fault. So yeah, I'm upset about that. And then there's just lots of
little things I keep forgetting, but I will remember as we go in the week. Oh, no, that's it.
That's the great thing. Came back. You're right. You did remember.
Said I would. Came back, arrived home two weeks away. We took my girlfriend's a bath
to the... What do you call that thing? That's called the airport, isn't it?
That's where you flew from. That's where you're flying it out of. That's the one. That's where
planes go. Got back. Tough plane home. Didn't sleep or wink. I was like, it's fine. Just got to
get home. Walked up to the car with the car on lock. No, battery dead. Amen. That's not so bad.
Put the key in the door. Did the lock work? No, it did not. So the key, something either broke
in the door or something's popped off in the door, the key no longer unlocks the door. The car is dead.
The battery is under the bonnet. The bonnet you must use. You must open the car. So I was standing
in the long stay car park of Gatwick looking around with maybe 20 to 30 minutes sleep from the day
before. I was angry. I was an angry man. I will gladly admit. And my first thought was,
I'm going to smash the window. I'm just going to smash the window. And I got straight through
the windscreen. Two foot it. That's not even our car. No. And one of the only things that stopped me
is she went, please don't. Like, in quite a sad way. And so luckily our two friends that we went
with there were there as well. I thought, remember, we did it on what, I can't remember what one of
the cars was here. You put a piece of tape. It's an old school treat. You put piece of tape and you
pull down to see if you can overcome the window mechanism. Now I knew that I'd probably end up
breaking a little plastic clip or something, but I said, let's just see if we can. So the best thing
is we were parked next to the bus station where they pick you up. So the bus was coming around
over and over, watching me underneath the car, pulling on door handles, just watching me quite
clearly potentially nick a car. He didn't care. He was just, they stopped next to the car and he
was just staring ahead. He was like, I think, can I have this? But so four of us put our hands on
the window and just pulled as hard as we could and it slid down. But it did break. It broke things
inside. So not the glass though. Not the glass as far as I'm aware. So right now my girlfriend's car
is at home with the window down. Oh, it's okay. Permanently. Passenger. Also, I did it on the
passenger side because I've gone into that's the door we replaced. She was in the passenger seat
at the way home. Not happy. Cold. Not happy about that. Yeah. Hour and a half drive home
with the window down on the main door. Did we slow down? No. No. So, you know, it's interesting.
It was a nice welcome back to cars, if I'm honest. So the rain driver was like, you know,
I'm going to mess this up for you. And then the bath said, Oh, you wait till you get home.
Yeah. So I need to look into the reason for the bath. But hey, you know what? It's at least
something to do. Why not? And also, we've got two weeks now until our Nurburgring trip. We do a
big company Nurburgring trip. We've got not much time. So I've got my M3 sword. Don't guys.
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very 18 plus. Yeah, I'm running some. Ben's going. Yeah, I'll be driving up.
Yeah, you're going to really love that as it comes through that corner. Yeah. I'm going to crash the...
You can't crash if you're in the... It's true. It's famous here. Safe.
How much is the fight internally between one half you saying, don't take a car, you'll crash it?
And the other half going, I actually really want to... I would like to drive.
I want to drive. Oh, okay. I'd say you would be solidly in the former camp.
I know this for a fact. I haven't... I mean, try not to think about it. I don't care right now.
Right? I don't care if I've got a car. I just want to go and like have the fun,
like hang out with everyone, do that sort of thing. Have the fun.
Yeah. Go and have the fun. No, I want to go and... It'll be a good event.
Okay, right? It's a great event. I'm going to be there. And what else? But what are you going to do?
No, it's going to be good. And we're all going... Have we said before what we're doing?
We're going to go... It's the whole company across all the channels. We're going just as like a fun
thing. Yeah, not for a video. Yeah. So it will be good. However, I'm not bringing a car. There's a
few of us that aren't. So I feel fine about it. But I know the second that we leave here or
wherever we're going from and that everyone's convoying in their cool cars, I will be the saddest
man. Yeah, there's two sides to that coin. And that is that you might feel a bit of
FOMO at first, you know, like if the weather's good and everyone's cruising around and you're at
the ring and someone's having fun, but then if something does go wrong, you will immediately
feel like, you know what, I'm chilling. Yes, but also it's the experiences you made along the way,
Ben. Exactly. And I think we need to get you into something. Perhaps it was the nerve-wracking
trip you grew up with. Yeah. That's what we always say. And you'll always look back at it and go,
well, and I was the car cup that week. For a week. It's a tough one. Watching everyone. Actually,
it's not even that, is it? It doesn't. No, you're just... I won't get into it too much.
But you're just watching... You're just watching other... You're dogging.
Yeah, you're dogging. You're car dogging. Yeah. Ben...
Am I dogging? Ben, the dogging Rogers.
Am I dogging? You're not letting us drive your car. That would be what we mentioned before.
But is it kind of a bit of... You're just sitting in while other people really abuse you.
You're adjudicating. It's a bit of dogging. And sometimes filming.
Yeah. It's probably also going to be a little bit of swinging as well.
Well, you'll be sharing it. You'll be going in as well.
No, but no one else is sharing theirs. I think people will probably be...
I'm not letting you drive my car. Yeah, no one else is driving my car.
But I'm watching as a doger, you swing kind of...
No, not true because... Are you not? The keys in the vault, kind of literally.
But no, but swinging would imply a switch.
Yeah, but surely you guys are going to be having a gunny chip of cars?
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
I thought you would want to share that with each other.
What are you talking about? I thought you guys were friends.
So I'm just going to let you just... Not me?
Oh, right.
No, you guys... Just leave your car.
You might let Will have a go on them three. You might let Yvah go on them again.
On the nerve of agreeing, that is one of the last things I'd want to do.
Really?
I'm just about okay enough going out. The thing with the ring is that it's fine if you're
confident in you and you're confident in your car.
I'm cool.
Right? It's the same thing as motorbikers. They know they're fine.
Everyone else that is the idiot.
I don't want to be in charge of Will's car when some clown with yellow...
Oh, I see.
...comes careening around the corner.
If I'm in my car, hey, fair play. It was my car. I chose to do it.
But if I do it in someone else's car, no, that's that I couldn't deal with that.
Okay, we're not swinging. We're just dogging.
We're just dogging.
Okay. No, it's car dogging.
Let's just keep it at dogging. We don't need to go any more experimental than that.
No, swinging. But I'm cucking.
No, you're still dogging.
But I'm in the car with you.
Yeah, no, but it's not your car.
Yeah, that's fine.
But I'm in the car, but I'm not doing anything.
That's what I'm just sat there.
But I'd say it's a blend of the both.
But that's what dogging is, is it not?
You're just watching.
But you're not in the car.
I lost Ben.
Do you know who's dogging?
All the people, like, if you go out and Will's on the side watching,
you can't fly past. We're dogging.
Yeah.
But then I'm cucking if I'm sat in the passenger seat.
I don't think you understand the terms.
There's going to be people listening to this going,
let... Can you please?
Yeah, let's move on.
Anyway, so overall, it's a run for me.
And if you don't know what any of those things mean,
keep listening to the podcast.
We'll move on.
Yeah, don't look it up.
Shall we move on to things, anecdotes,
stuff and what?
Things, stuff.
We got lots.
So we got stuff.
And obviously again, some of this will be out of date.
Although some of you didn't like the fact that we did two on a row.
But this time, well, this time the news will be out of date
because it's news from two or three weeks ago.
But we're recording this on a Monday and this goes out on the Thursday.
And we will try and go back to around about that less than one week out.
It doesn't get any more live and direct than this.
Yes, we would do it on the Thursday.
We have been for the last few months quite far out.
I think we call it right now, we're going to say
for all the listeners, we'll just do the, is that hang loose?
Hang loose, I say.
That's what that's called.
So let's keep it at maybe like you heard it here second, but for the Monday.
I think so.
We'll probably be a week out rather than three.
But now we're three.
So let's start.
We're going on the Ferrari Luce.
Okay, which I saw last week.
I went to Ital and I went to Motor Valley and what such.
Not in the Mercedes-Benz, obviously.
I went in the Jeep Renegade.
Lovely.
That you had bought to drive over there.
Yeah, I was always wanted to take it back to the factory.
I went, oh, wrong factory.
These are owned by the Italians, aren't they?
I think they probably are.
They are, they are.
It's all, anyway, boring car.
I saw a Luce on the road.
It was really like a, just a production, no, not Camo Dot.
With, it had like some film, you see lots of
Ferraris out that they do road testing on.
And I think that's what they were doing with that.
I don't know if it was a production version, but it was, it was whole.
There was no Camo or anything.
It had some of the film on the front.
What colour was it?
It was like a, just a black or gray or something.
It was nothing that, but just seeing it go past.
If you didn't know, that's what it was.
You would, anything, it's just having a key or something.
But then you take me, Ben, you're telling me here
something about the price.
That's a way to word a sentence, isn't it?
We didn't mention this when we had, because when we reacted to it,
it was literally being revealed that night.
Well, that moment was being revealed.
So we didn't know what the price was, but the price of that car
is 650,000 pounds.
Like pounds?
Yeah.
Maybe dollars.
I think either great research from Ben as always.
The price is this, is it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a lot.
Yen?
Yeah, it could be Yen.
I don't know.
Zimbabwean dollars.
It is a deal.
Turns out this car costs 38 pounds in GBP.
Ben is doing research.
It's 470,000 pounds.
We received a message.
This man will know who he is, and I can't credit you.
Maybe you didn't want to be credited, but even if you did,
I don't know your name, so you can't be credited.
Perfect comment.
He used to work at Apple.
I have the message.
Do you want me to read it?
No.
You get it up.
I'll see if I can call it from my phone.
I screen shot it.
He basically used to work at Apple, and he said that,
obviously, there was meant to be an Apple car.
Yep.
And someone from Apple went to Ferrari, and then Ferrari sold said...
No, I read it.
Now, I read the message.
I said that Apple said sold it.
I shall read this.
Because I know exactly this.
I'll read it.
I'll read this out loud.
Now, I want to put state of shame, because I remember saying this to you off the podcast
that I remember hearing about this, that this was essentially the Apple car
that had been not rebranded, but remoulded to that.
It's not the Apple car, is it?
So this is from unnamed person.
Don't put it before me.
He used to work at Apple.
Eddie Q, a senior VP at Apple for 30 years or so,
is also an Abort member at Ferrari, when Project Titan,
which was Apple's car project, was cancelled internally.
I believe that was 2017.
I read somewhere.
Eddie Q signed a deal with Ferrari for them to make it on Apple's behalf.
Johnny Ive, Apple's former head of design,
designed the car and Ferrari were forced into using the design.
It's not really a Ferrari.
It's actually Apple's Project Titan.
Now, fine.
But why?
I don't think that's fine.
No, no, that's not like that.
Okay.
I don't necessarily...
I'm not doubting your validity here, but I don't 100% believe that.
What I want to know is, you said, there is the line that says,
they were forced into it.
But why?
Why did Ferrari have to do that?
Also, what elements were required?
Because I still think that Ferrari design, it's not very Ferrari,
if you see what I mean, but it is modern Ferrari.
Like the rear lamps trying to look like a 360 style,
the front with its little like see-through bit,
like what do you call it, a Pista with its little S scoop.
There's elements of it being Ferrari.
It's clearly not just...
It's not like a Honda Rover, where it's just changed the badge.
No, they've had some input in that.
But I don't get why they're saying they had to do it.
It must be.
It might be for fleet emissions.
If I design a car, I don't even go to like Nissan and go,
and they go, oh, well, we'll have to make it now, won't we?
I do.
I wonder how popular it will be.
Not very.
I have a feeling because it's a Ferrari.
It's not a Ferrari though, is it?
Yeah, no, but because it has the badge on it.
I think people might still buy it.
Mm-hmm.
I think some will.
I think some like some tech and crypto billionaire kids and stuff will.
But for that half a million pounds.
But this is the thing.
I think we forget sometimes that car people are not the target market.
To be fair, we weren't the target market market,
market even when Enzo Ferrari is building them.
He famously said, anybody that buys the road car is stupid.
The road cars simply are there to sell to idiots so that I can run my racing team.
That's all that's all Ferraris are.
Most people are not going, oh, yeah, but I do like the F40 back when they don't care.
They want badge and money sign.
I don't understand why it costs that much.
There was another podcast possibly related to cars,
and I don't know where I heard this, but if it was you, feel free to take credit.
We'll be mostly credit of all time.
All I'm saying is, if it was you, feel free to take credit for it.
Okay.
I'm putting it out to the world.
If it wasn't, then we said it first.
But basically, obviously, an electric car has an electric motor.
Shut up.
Or some, perhaps some.
But what differentiates that from the electric motor in a normal car?
Yeah.
So what makes a Ferrari motor better than a?
Famously with supercars, one of the biggest reasons, obviously,
there's things like carbon fiber and body work and the fact that everything's very
unique and whatever else.
But one of the biggest cells on a supercar or a Ferrari or a Lamborghini or whatever
is the fact that lots of the money has gone into the engine, the powertrain.
It's you can't get that somewhere else.
The Ferrari engine, you're not getting that in a Porsche or a Volkswagen or something else.
So lots of the draw is there.
But if it's just motors, what makes that motor better than a Kia motor or a Jaguar motor or
something that's in a Porsche or whatever else?
That's what I want to know.
And I think that's what's going to be a harder sell for Ferrari when they go,
this is this is our electric Ferrari.
And I know rich people can be stupid, but they are still rich people.
And they are going to think, well, hang on, what am I actually buying here?
Yeah, the.
You're buying the badge.
That car at 200 grand, you're selling low, surely like euros price, one thinking that
sort of thing.
You're about to say I'd even buy.
Because you know, I wouldn't buy that rich money.
Chump change, 200 K.
Like pocket change.
I buy a fleet for my garden.
Like sort of rainy day fund.
No, I wouldn't do that.
But like euros prices or or Bentaiga prices or the cars that I think a lot of people buy
them because they want to just they want a car that seems rich, but a lot of time aren't
into cars, maybe, but a half a million, half a million pounds.
It is mental.
Also, that's losing money.
You're losing money.
You're losing it.
Minimum half that like soon.
I have no basis to say that.
I just made it up.
But I think that.
This is a was it accountants?
This is business advice from Ben Rogers.
It's not financial advice.
It is for my own source.
I believe it.
Whilst in Italy, I did a like a tour thing of the Ferrari place.
Ferrari place, like the Ferrari factory and whatever else.
You don't get to see much.
They just sort of show the outside and whatever else.
But that's free.
A couple of times they mentioned the luce and the fact that there's an entire building
that's like dedicated to electric motor stuff.
Some of it's like hybrid related, but a lot of it is I think luce related.
But you can just feel the lack of enthusiasm.
Yeah.
With the tour guide was like, well, you might see a luce while we're there.
And just the whole bus was silent.
Nothing.
No one cared.
And then someone then there was a 355 parked up in the old car park
where the old factory was.
And there's people at the window going, 55
Wow.
I'm like, it's sad because if you go to that area and you see it still feels kind of magical.
It's sort of Disney for cars in a way where there's loads of history.
But the luce is like a blot on that.
And it is.
I think it might do OK for Ferrari.
And if that means they can still keep making cool cars, then fine.
But there's something missing over there at the moment.
And I'm not sure what it is.
Yeah.
I'm hoping people like Lamborghini don't follow with that.
But speaking of Lamborghini, big mistakes.
Oh, big mistakes on my trip.
I went, I've been there before, but I wanted to go again because I was going to other places.
And I thought, well, I'm there.
I want to have a look back at the Lamborghini factory is just a very cool place to go to.
There's not much in the area, but there's the factory, then there's a little museum.
And that's basically it.
It's just industrial estate.
In the museum, they have lots of the big stuff.
They have a Reventon in there.
They have a Merci Lago SV.
They have a Centenario, all the big stuff basically.
But they had a Merci Lago engine, which was great because it was out of the car.
It was great.
I'll take reference photos.
And you were mine about that a few months.
You were like, can I, do you mind if I nick that?
I do need that.
I saw the call packs in the early ones, so they were even worth money.
And there was a pack that said Merci Lago LP640 engine.
And I was skeptical at first because I thought those call packs are from 6.2, but whatever.
And I read further on into it and it said, Merci Lago LP640 engine, then it said spec.
It said 6.2 liter V12, 580 horsepower.
This is the Lamborghini factory.
That's crazy.
Their museum.
And I noticed this on it.
There was a Mura Roadster, which they never made, but it was like a sort of Targa version
that they built as a sort of special one off type thing back in the late 60s.
I think it would have been early 70s.
And it said, I think it would have been a typo, but nonetheless,
you can't have typos in this place.
It was.
It said top speed 220 miles an hour.
Okay, of course.
I was like, I don't think so.
In the 60s and 70s, that would be quite some record.
But it's just really frustrating.
They just kept it quiet.
Don't upset everyone else.
Just let, you know, just do it.
But yeah, it was just deeply upsetting.
And then I did a, there was a tour that they do.
And I thought, great, I'm going to see the Revolta and stuff being built.
Just just, they only show you.
Eurosis.
And although it is incredibly interesting to see a production line, because it is mad,
some of the tech they have in there.
But I wanted to see the good stuff.
And all I could think about was they take you around all the streets and there's like
partly prepped cars and finished cars in mad specs just parked up around the sort of streets
near the near where the factory is that I wish I'd seen that 15, 20 years ago.
That would have been amazing.
Because you would have just seen Glado's.
The only thing you'd see is Glado Maschilago.
Yeah.
That's it.
And then there's another room there called Storo Polico.
Storo Polico.
Storo Storico.
Historical.
Historical.
Polo Storico.
Sorry.
Well, I've got my words mixed up.
Polo Storico.
Which is where they sort of revamp, refurbish, make better the older cars.
And I want to see that room.
And it's the same Ferrari.
When you do the tour, they show you go that room over there in the original factory where
they used to build the Ferraris before they moved over to the big one is Classica.
And you can just see through and you can see some of the cars, but you're miles away from it.
I was like, how I want to know how rich do we need to be?
Yeah.
How much influence do we need to have to get access to any of these rooms?
Same as the Corsa Clienti room at Fiorano.
There's just a warehouse and behind those doors will be some of the just most wild stuff ever.
But I need to know without set of bolt cutters, how do we get in there?
Let us cream in there.
Come on now.
But yeah, Lamborghini, if you need some fact checking, let me know.
Ben.
Hi.
More Ferrari from you, actually.
You've put in here Ferrari 12 Cylinderi.
Or is that Dodecchi Cylinderi?
Oh.
Actually, manual.
He's been there.
Tell me about that.
Tell me about that.
I also made him one.
He's done a rally course.
I'm just going to pull it up because I don't want to get this wrong.
Right, here we go.
Now, can I, I just want to note again that I mentioned this in the last podcast.
I said to Ben before the podcast, have you got all of your information?
Not.
And he said there, like this Gen Z teenager on his phone.
It was 24.
Yeah.
He went, yeah.
And that was either just after or just before the preamble where I came up with quite an interesting
revelation.
Please play that deck.
Ben never spends time with us when he's not getting paid to do that.
Actually, completely fair.
You're that, the bear in Spyro with a bag of jewels.
And the only time we get to speak to you is if we spend some money.
Don't put that in because there's no context.
There it goes in there.
And then we come back in now.
That isn't a fair thing to put in.
Because it was, I didn't mean it like whatever.
Too long is not fair wasting our time with your.
Do you know what's crazy is the fact that we all work together.
So I only see you to work out.
Do you know what's crazy is that I don't know about the 12-cylinder manually.
Tell him.
No.
No.
A new report suggests that the Ferrari.
What car?
The Dodici Sylvain.
Oh, thanks.
So a new report.
The Odecky.
And the.
Sorry.
I'm going to count to three.
All right.
A new report suggests that Ferrari could unveil a three-pedal version of a 12-cylinder.
Okay.
You know what?
Worth pulling the phone out for that one.
Yeah.
So basically it might happen.
We don't know.
Basically there are rumors they're going to make a 12-cylinder and it will be a limited run.
Funny enough, I have heard the same from people.
And I've actually only just remembered that.
Now I've heard it.
I can't remember where I heard it.
Somehow when you have a Mercedes-Benz, you end up sitting at tables.
You possibly shouldn't be.
Yeah.
You keep telling us things that people say.
And I've heard from a few people who have bought cars.
And obviously I'll probably in line for buying some of those bigger Ferraris
that there have been hints of a some sort of limited run manual.
Interesting.
Because well, I wonder if that would increase or decrease 599 manual prices.
Because that was the whole, it's the last ever V12 Ferrari manual.
I wonder if people are going to go.
I think I reckon this will be a relatively special thing.
Yeah.
So I always think when it's not as attainable as that,
it's I think the older stuff will still be pretty good.
Yeah.
Just because they're the ones that they're available.
But they're not going to cost or whatever this new thing will cost,
which is probably going to be a very special car.
So, but I mean, it'll be cool.
I've been interested to see as long as it's not going to be some
like fake manual thing or like that one, the aftermarket one that we saw.
But interesting.
Also in a in a 12 cylinder as well, I mean,
crazy amounts of power to have it with a manual.
It just feels, it feels like I want to see a manufacturer,
especially a Ferrari or Lamborghini make something like that,
but make it have 500 horsepower or 450 or even 600 horsepower.
Because if you go and make,
that's part of the reason they don't make manuals is because
everything's got 8, 900, 1000 horsepower.
Yeah.
But if you went back and said, you know what,
we don't care about the speed anymore, this has got enough at 500.
Here is a manual version.
Yeah.
Does this work?
Makes sense to me.
It's worked with the GMAT 50.
The whole the whole thing is not about the power or the speed.
Making the best driving car possible.
I'm sure they could have made it quicker, but they said,
they're right.
This is good for us.
I watched Harry Metcalf's review of the Temurario.
I was very interested because I've kind of put off hearing anything about that car.
Because I love the way it looks.
I think it looks better than Huracan, but it's 900 horsepower basically.
And he just said is it is a one trick pony, basically.
It doesn't drive particularly well.
It's it is just eight shit fast.
And that's not that.
Ain't it also that means you're getting closer and closer to electric cars.
You're chasing electric cars.
That's the only thing they can do is just go quick.
You're probably going to lose in the most part in the real world.
Anyway, they're doing top speed runs.
An electric car with a decent amount of power is just always going to be faster.
Yeah.
So just make your cars cool.
Make them drive nicely.
Stop.
Stop.
Stop this.
I guess we are the paying customers after all.
Yeah, us.
Us.
We're buying the new Ferraris and Lamborghinis.
Edwin, swift change here.
You've put the police telling a boat.
I don't know.
I saw the police tell about now my brain has that's all my brain can give you.
Because it was two or three weeks ago.
It was two or three weeks from memory.
It was also quite far inland.
Okay.
For not much reason.
Or was he going towards inland?
Yeah, no, he was.
I guess at any one point you could be going towards the sea.
Going up the M40.
So you could be going really far towards the sea.
Quick, prepare the boats.
They're in Scotland.
What sort of boat was it?
It was a rib.
That's one of those inflatable looking ones.
A reinforced, I can't remember what rib stands for.
There'll be boat, boat nerds in the comments.
But I can't believe you didn't know that.
Sorry, I meant to take that one off the list because I genuinely can't remember.
Well, there we go.
Police tug of boat.
If anyone knows anything about that, that's no.
Sorry.
Ben, you've put in here vans and then a word I can't say.
Vans are cool, man.
Now, this is because you recently moved, right?
I didn't move.
You had to move.
You had to drive.
You made up a lie about vans to me.
Okay, here we go.
Okay, go on.
And it's related to this.
You told me that you could not drive a van because of your driving license.
That's not what I said.
Okay, here we go.
That's what Edwin said.
That's what Edwin said.
No.
I said I'm not allowed to drive a van because I'm not 25.
Oh, right.
No, I'm sure.
No, I'm not.
Okay, sorry.
Tell me about your van.
Edwin said it was licensed and you said it wasn't.
No, I said that they did change the license at one point for what you could or couldn't tow.
I can't drive a van.
Basically, I can't drive a van.
Okay.
So when I moved,
Ever.
Next year, I'll be able to drive a van.
25.
And an event at all.
Oh, I'll be there for that.
What would you be more excited for now?
Well, what kind of van is it?
Is it a Luton van?
Sure, why not?
What's up there?
So tell us about your van experience.
So is this your first van experience?
No, but I have driven a van before.
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The police writing almost down.
Sorry.
We've got him, boys.
No, my dad had a van and I drove that, but that wasn't like a...
Illegal.
A Bollingo, was that?
No, because I...
No, just...
Okay, rental companies will not ensure me on their policy to drive it.
I can drive a van.
I'm just making sure with the legalities of it.
I could buy a van and then drive...
I don't want you to put this podcast...
I don't want you to put the name of the podcast in the mud here
by doing criminal activities, driving a van.
I couldn't drive this van to rent,
so I had to get my brother, who is much older than me, to drive the van.
Right.
And I sat on the passenger seat whilst he drove it.
Again, dogging.
Okay.
And I was in the van and I thought, you know what?
It's got to be a genetic thing or something in the blood,
because it felt great.
Just being in a van, I was like, you know what?
Give me some newspapers, get me some snacks.
Chippy.
I was sitting here and I just want to...
I want to watch the world go by and it was great.
And we drove...
It was a...
Get me some newspaper.
I've only just clocked the way you were.
No, I get it.
I get it.
Because they always have the dash for the newspapers.
Get me some newspapers.
It's like, get me some newspaper.
It's like packing out a package or something.
Or coffee training.
Or potty training.
Making a paper match.
I didn't tell you what I was moving.
No, we...
There we go.
That's speaking.
The journey from where I did live to where I now live was like,
not crazy far, but it was long enough to have spent a good amount of time in the van.
Okay.
So, I was...
We were doing these trips back and forth.
I just felt the entire time.
All I could think about was how good it felt to be in a van.
Now, here's my question.
Was it a manual?
Vans should be manuals.
Vans should be manuals.
I think I didn't drive it famously.
Okay.
I think it was manual.
If you got a rental van.
Yeah.
Unless your brother drives manuals.
He's not got like an auto license.
No, no, no.
I think auto vans, especially on rentals, are fairly...
They're quite rare.
No.
Who'd you rent from?
Vans GB.
Oh, never heard of it.
You know what?
He went to the mum and dad shop.
He went to the...
You know, the...
I've never heard of Vans GB.
I saw them all.
I saw them all other place.
I'm not really surprised.
It's the green one.
That's enterprise.
I thought you were supporting local business.
I think it was a local business.
Okay.
Well, either way, I agree fully.
I think there is something...
I think you could take the poshest toff on earth,
put them in a transit and they'll start cutting people up
and shouting at people.
Vans have...
We talked about it with the range we had and we said that
Range Rovers have a similar effect.
Yeah.
Even though they're so different, when you get in a van,
maybe it is the height, but I don't think it's just the height.
I think it's...
There's something in the glues of the van.
I think it's because the nose is so short that you know where...
You know the end of it is.
So you just plow through everything knowing that I'm not going to hit it.
I love the way you swing in a van round.
Yeah.
Because the wheels are right under you.
You swing it around.
It's just fantastic.
I love Vans.
We've been talking since TDC started that we want to buy Vans.
Also the shoes.
Shout out to the shoe manufacturer.
Love them too.
I also...
I'm not that big on fancy Vans.
Yeah.
You know when I see like an MSRT van, I can understand why people get it.
Because it's going to be way nicer to drive for it.
It's going to have more stuff and it maybe looks better to them.
But a little rental van.
Oh, we've got plastic bumpers.
Yeah.
We've got steelies.
We might have Bluetooth in there.
So you can listen to some tunes.
Get that.
You've got what looks like a very uncomfortable seat.
But turns out to be quite nice.
And hopefully an armrest as well.
And the most bouncy suspension in the best way possible.
I want to be going...
What van?
What did you have?
It was a...
What's the spec on the van?
I got.
Now...
I'll tell you the exact van.
Now, hold on.
Now, what I'd just like to make clear here is Ben came into this being like,
I love Vans.
And every question we've asked him about the van, he's like,
what was it?
So we don't know what van it was.
I know what it is.
I know what it is.
Just let me find it.
I've got to have it.
What style of...
I have the exact spec.
Okay.
That's...
It was a Ford Transit 350 leader P slash V Eco Blue Group V3.
Okay.
What kind of backed of that?
That was a long wheelbase, a bit like a Sprinter, but the long...
What was I doing?
That's what I moved with.
Great van.
Yeah.
Too big.
Actually, when I got there, I asked him if I could get a smaller one because I didn't...
I don't know van sizes.
I almost had a Luton van and then I realized...
Luton van is my favorite.
But so in mind, I've never lived away from my parents' house before.
Therefore, I have four items of furniture.
You have a room worth of a van, me.
Yeah.
And you went, might need the Luton.
The only reason that I didn't get a Luton was because it said on the thing where you sign up for it,
can move a three bedroom house into one thing.
That's what I was going to say.
I thought, right, I'll go one down from that.
Money bags Ben said, I think we're going to need six of those.
Two Sprinters.
Put the Olympic size swimming.
But I had a Luton and the bonus of having a Luton is that you often get
machinery.
Yeah.
So not only do you get a van, you also get a tail lift.
The tail lift.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they'll say to you, this is how you use it.
I mean, yeah, yeah.
It's in my blood.
I know this.
Yeah.
You're from Slav.
I've got this.
And I got a very squeaky one last time.
It was very embarrassing.
But what an amazing feeling.
I think...
And you get a little remote.
So you can send yourself up and down.
I...
When we had...
When we did Shedfest, to move all the merch, like from the sort of mini warehouse we have here,
to the event they hired a Luton van.
Literally, that was...
It was the evening that the Lupo mashed itself.
Oh yeah.
And because of that, but even though that was happening, every single person here was messing
with the van.
Oh yeah.
We were walking around and going,
Oh, I don't know if that bit up.
Oh, that's nice.
What does that button do?
It's got to be in your blood.
And when you send it, it just feels right.
There will be people listening to this that will not understand until you rent a van,
or you drive a van, or you go to a van, you don't get it.
I was the same.
I remember...
Don't for the weekend.
Will told me once when he...
I can't remember why.
You're moving someone else's house, you drove a van, and you came into car for it all your life.
Vans are great.
And I was like, yeah, is that true?
And then I helped my sister move house like six months later, and I was like,
Vans best thing on the world.
Best thing in the world.
And it got a little bit hot.
It's how I imagine in medieval times, a knight being given their sword.
You have everything else.
Sire, you have permission to cut off anyone on the road now.
Here is your LDV, sir.
It wasn't that hot, it was like 21 degrees, right?
Broke it as a fun fact.
It was a bright summers day.
It was, so not that hot, right?
We're talking jeans and a T-shirt, right?
I want to take my shirt off.
I was like, I got wet the software.
You got rolled sleeves up.
I got wet the software, I feel like, another one's worn on T-shirt and gone,
is it sticking to me, but in the van, I was like,
Did you have Bluetooth?
for music and you connected to that and you listened to music.
What sort of music did you listen to?
They're better not have been Natasha Bedingfield and Meryl.
No, I listened to... I have a playlist of music...
Van songs. I've got World Cup anthem 1994.
It was Dab music. So my dad had all these songs he played when I was a kid,
but he lost like whatever it was, the CD, whatever he was on it.
So over the years, I've been making a playlist.
Whenever something triggers in my mind a song, I've been adding to his playlist.
To turn that playlist, it was probably Dab music in the van.
Give us a taste of what was on.
Now there's a bit of wastes on there.
Okay, interesting.
There's a bit of blur on there.
Okay, I like it.
I was just a Parklife.
Absolutely.
Okay, now Van.
Yeah.
Then that might be up there for Best Van song.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that.
And then what else was there?
Basically, just a lot of like 80s and 90s sort of Dab music, I'd say.
Either way, TDC and Cream, we're big on Vans.
We like them.
Vans are fantastic.
If I had the space, or even the money really at this stage after having a van,
just having a van available rather than going because sometimes it's not like it happens every week,
especially in what we do, where you go, I need a van.
Yeah.
But I want to just go, well, I have that.
Yeah.
I'll just go and get the van.
Let me get the van.
I want the most basic van.
So my dad had a van, right?
Bear in mind, my dad isn't like a tradesman, I told him I felt that.
And he was moving.
So he thought, I'm not paying, you know, I'm not paying the rental charge for a van.
I'll buy a van, use it for what I'm moving around and stuff, and then I'll sell the van.
Cross me nothing.
You know what?
Shout out Ben's dad.
Yeah.
So he did that, the van never left.
I want to do that with houses.
Almost done in a hotel.
I'll get a temporary van.
I'm going to buy the house and then I'll sell the house when I'm done.
Because he was moving like over the course of like a month.
So he needed the van quite a lot.
So he thought the price of renting a van, like everybody can't do me a lot.
So yeah, basically just bought the van, but he liked it so much and me and my brothers
all liked it so much that he kept it and he had it for like two years and we never needed it again.
Just not a van.
We go like, we have all this cardboard, like moving or something, all these boxes and
we'd stuff that you're very easy to fit in a car.
Yeah.
Just chuck it in the van.
Take the van's the tip, had like four boxes in it and then yeah, occasionally,
we just use it.
No, you'll see, you'll see one on TDC in the future.
I put money on it.
Van's coming.
It will come.
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Amazing. We've talked about hearses before.
It was a Rolls Royce Phantom.
Really?
And it flew past me and like an not original but whatever, you know the 2000s one.
It was an original one.
It was an original one, it's silver and then I couldn't quite believe my eyes
and then I googled it and there it was and it is amazing.
But it was flying down the fast lane on the other side of the M40.
So I assume it wasn't on a job or it was very late for a job but nonetheless.
Yeah, that's amazing.
So on screen right now is a, that is, you know, kind of cool because it's so very long.
I cannot imagine how long that actually is.
If you take the viewing gallery off the back and what it's called,
that's a pickup truck.
Viewing gallery.
From the outside, from the inside out.
What? I doubt that.
Of the dead, yeah.
No, I mean, what is that? Is that not what it is?
No.
It's like a fan.
So you can see in and it's got like the files and stuff.
Oh, I guess, yeah.
Display case.
Yeah, that's the one.
Athens Worth, please.
Green house.
Do you know what we call a hearse?
Why don't we have open top hearses?
Like imagine that.
A convertible.
But like imagine, like a pickup truck.
Okay.
You have to scrub the pickup truck is what you're saying.
Because you'd see so much more.
Or like a like a phantom drop head.
When you say you'd see so much more.
But who?
Who?
Because obviously it has those big windows so you can see all the flower arrangements and stuff.
Yeah.
But get rid of those.
Okay.
But you want to get rid of the glass and then it's just it's there.
Okay.
But we live in England.
You want to be flaccid in the wind.
So do you want grandad covered in, you know, water?
No, in the summer.
Oh, what? And then have open casket as well.
Really get the get the wind in the hair one last time.
I think if I just thought a phantom drop head would be quite cool.
As like a little display at the back and that'll be a pretty nice way to go.
Okay.
And I thought it's a go.
What I'm trying to say is that it's the same thing as that.
But you get a better view of it.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
But I don't think you'd see much more.
And also it's kind of only to move also dead.
I feel like surely partly reason it's in a private box is so that it's not accessible to the world.
If I'm in traffic and there's just a coffin next to me out in the open, not a phantom.
That's why it's a drop head.
So you get to the event and you whack the roof down.
Oh, okay.
And then all the family can pay their respects and like look at the coffin and all those nice flowers.
That's quite a design to have to make.
Because you think about it.
Like you've extended it out quite a lot.
And that's not.
No, no, but it's all fixed.
So it's lots of coach building involved.
Yeah.
But someone's got to make a very long...
Have you not seen Topka?
What's that?
Wow.
Never seen that? Never heard of that, shall I?
You never seen when they made limos?
Yeah.
And Hammond had a...
The MGTF.
Yeah.
The MGF.
And famously only had a roof right for the back.
Yeah.
Okay.
But what I'm hearing from you, Will, is that I can't.
I can't.
I can't.
That's not what I'm hearing.
I'm just putting obstacles in there.
I'm positivity.
I came here for answers, not questions.
You need like a sliding roof, like a sort of concertina type thing.
But would that not be better?
If you could...
I don't think it would be better.
I think it's certainly an option.
If anybody has an idea on how Ben can make that happen, let them know.
Business.
Send us a sketch for a blueprint.
Business with a pickup truck, isn't it?
Yeah.
With a roof.
Is what you're asking for.
But I thought that was...
It was a drop head.
I couldn't quite...
I just saw Phantom in the distance.
I was like, that's cool.
I think it came past us like that.
That was a haze.
130.
I bet that's expensive.
Next, we have...
It's not JK related news, and it is old at this stage,
but the creamers have been back at it once more.
JK posted a video, and I have been sent it, possibly 87 million times at this point,
where he was basically complaining about the luce.
Yeah.
And in the reflection of his sunglasses at the beginning of the video,
you could just see the back end of...
I could hear it idling as well, because it's got the same exhaust as the rest of it.
And then he starts talking about it, and he revs it,
but it was just kind of odd and strange.
But then all of the comments on this video,
all of the biggest comments...
And what was it?
It was my old Lamborghini Glada, which he now has a private plate on.
But all the comments were, creamers will know, creamers unite.
It has over a million views of that video.
Oh, yeah.
And all the top kinds are still creamers.
Which, good, good work, gang.
Now, we can't say anything.
There's nothing's confirmed, nothing's even in the works, really.
But there could be a chance we have an in.
So, we've had a few people say,
I saw JK at an event, and I shouted cream in his face.
I was cleaning his gutters.
I thought I'd just pop inside and give him a little cup of cream.
I broke into his house the other day, just to let him know that I am a creamer.
Please, none of that, because we don't want to lose it.
There might be a very small chance we have an in.
So, don't worry, things are in the works.
But shout out, shout out the creamers for the comments.
Comments are fine.
Comments are fine.
We're on it.
It's an open forum on the internet.
They always say, insight in mind.
Sort of like, imagine not harassing another human being.
I'd say that.
That sort of thing.
I think that's it.
That's it.
That's sort of law abiding.
I have also seen that.
I believe he might be, but I'm putting two and two together here.
I have no confirmation, but there was a post that I think it was another car dealer,
that they delivered a car to him.
They also posted about a car sold.
It was another manual Galardo, but much more rare.
So, I think he's putting a team together.
He's putting quite down with the team here.
He's had a lot of interest.
Does he have a misci-logger yet?
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
So, he's going to need one of those soon.
But he has one SPJ.
Wonder Wheel could get that.
He has to go on that.
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What color is his SPJ?
Do you know that?
I was actually going through his Instagram the other day because I wanted to see what
Karzy had.
And there's a video of his T50 in, I assume, his garage.
And next, what you can see in SPJ.
What color?
The corner of it.
I will find out.
Talk.
Don't worry about it.
We'll move on.
We'll move on.
And Ben will never tell us because he won't find the post.
Edwin, you've put in here, this is news, possibly.
Fiesta is so back.
It might be.
It might be back.
Now, so I've done research on this who would have guessed.
Ford has said, yo, we're bringing out a load of models.
I think it's between 2028 and 29.
They are bringing out new models of cars.
They have, I think they've said they want to bring out five because they've released a teaser.
This is the teaser of the cars.
They bring out just like little, little sketch teaser things.
One of which is the Fiesta.
It's coming back.
It's coming back.
That makes no sense.
But, look, I have to say it's the E-Ester.
Is it?
It's an E-Ester.
Right.
And not only that, it's based on the Renault 5,
Micro, A110.
It's going to be based on that same thing, supposedly.
However, the thing that it says here, I had no idea of this,
is the reason that they're doing this big relaunch is because Ford's actually struggling.
Ford, in 2019, they had over 1 million European car sales, new cars alone.
Last year, that was 426,000.
Wow.
And...
Boards have less, have more than halved in their sales.
And look, I'm not saying it's related to electric,
but they have pivoted quite a lot, like killing off the focus,
killing off the Fiesta, stuff that surely was making up so many of the numbers.
Yeah.
Making the KA into whatever the hell it turned into.
But maybe and hopefully, I know they're saying the Fiesta's going to be electric, but...
ETF, fully electric, there won't be a petrol offering,
as far as what they've said so far.
It makes no sense to make it a Fiesta again and not make...
That's never been the way Ford have done it before.
Models have always died.
And they go on to a new one.
They make on to a new one.
Obviously, it's sad that Fiesta died.
It went on for a very long time.
But like when the Sierra and the Mondeo and whatever else that's in the escort,
they've always moved on to something else.
So it's a shame they haven't come up with something else.
And now they're going, right, Capri, Machi, Fiesta, bringing them back.
Still makes me deeply upset.
So yeah, Capri out and about.
Really not happy.
But yeah, a little bit of news.
Fiesta is back.
The name...
You know what?
At least the name is around.
I do like seeing that name around.
Yeah.
No, just...
I'd say Fiesta, I'm comforted.
Yeah, exactly.
I do not, although I don't...
I'm not keen on the fact that they're basing it on something else.
Yeah.
Ford are very good, especially in Europe, when they make their own car.
The Fiesta was good because Ford made it.
Yeah.
When they made the K, the car, whatever you want to call it,
and they made it based on the 500, it was nowhere near as good as when
they made their own version of it.
And from memory, there were lots of people that had it, like they had issues.
Yeah, they weren't as reliable as the original car.
They had more bits if you bought the right spec and whatever else,
but they weren't ever as good as the original one.
Have we talked about the get the K with a panoramic roof?
Yeah, we saw that somewhere.
We saw that somewhere.
I think it was in...
I think I was in Brighton, I saw one there.
I saw one once, I was a broad once, and I saw it somewhere.
But it was...
Yeah, there was a panoramic roof one.
It's crazy.
Crazy option to have a K.
And there was a...
There was a...
I can't remember the names of them, but there are...
There's this really basic one, which has got like the black door handles,
like an Evo 5RS.
Evo 5RS.
And like black unpainted mirrors, then you get fancy ones.
I've got like a spoiler and alloys.
The titanium X.
What else we got?
Yeah, we could fix up for that.
That'd be lovely.
You put in here...
Can't say some of it.
Something about a Golf 4-door owner.
I saw, while I was in America, a Mark 7 Golf, like the one behind.
And it was modified and it was a 5-door.
And they put a wide body over the rear arch into the rear door and bolted it on.
Here you go.
I have a photo of it.
It's going to be a little bit small, but I will zoom it in for the gang.
Look at that.
Are you stupid, man?
So the door doesn't...
The rear door now unusable.
So front door works, but you've bought a 4-door and it's now no longer usable.
Now you can't really see, maybe you can see if I click on it.
You can see right on the top leading edge, the recess for where the door handle is.
But now the top of the over fender, the wide body, is just going over it.
So there's no bolt.
There's nothing holding it in there because that's where the door handle is.
Come on, man.
Now, you know where the people say, you should respect all of them.
And he's obviously spent some money on that, doing that stuff,
and maybe he's done it himself.
But that is...
Maybe it's a work in progress.
Maybe.
That's the only thing I might give this person.
Maybe it's like it's been bolted like that because there is a view to blend it in
and they're just getting it right and they're going to make it work with the door.
But I don't believe any of that.
No, I think they've just done that and thought that's fine.
I think that's fine.
I got a 4-door, but I'll make it work.
The little platform where the access to the filler cap...
It is ridiculous.
...is one of the worst things I think I've possibly ever seen.
Now, this was outside the world's largest McDonald's, so it makes sense.
It does make sense.
But yeah, tough.
Tough to see.
Crazy.
Now, a lot of stuff in America is bigger and better.
And I'll give you that.
But it also gets bigger and worse.
It would be really bad.
I've seen some bad stuff here, but nothing quite as as poor as that.
Oh, how do you know Velary?
We will talk about that.
That is still kind of old at this stage by the time you're hearing it.
But I think quite a cool looking thing.
I do too.
But it does look like someone...
Is it the Squidward thing?
What?
He's German.
Oh.
Oh, okay.
Hold on. Let me... I'm just going to pop a photo of that.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It has an...
It's a moustache.
Yeah.
It has a moustache.
It has a moustache.
Yeah.
No, that does have a moustache.
It does have a moustache, doesn't it?
Ben, thoughts?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sort of Charlie Chaplin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was not German, but...
It does have that.
And once I saw that and I recognized it in my mind, I thought, I'm not sure how to feel.
But overall...
That aside...
So it is based on a Temurario, right?
Temurario, but I was...
I thought, oh, this is the...
Because there was lots of people said this is the R8 replacement.
I thought it would just be less power than the Temurario because they can't make it faster.
But it is more powerful than a Temurario.
I think this is a thousand horsepower or so.
Wow.
But that's because it's more limited run.
So this isn't really an R8 replacement because it's a limited run thing.
I can't remember the numbers of the Mayors.
It's about 500-ish.
500-ish.
I do think it looks quite cool.
I don't mind it, yeah.
It's a little bit Tesla Cybertruck.
It's a little bit Minecraft where it's very boxy.
And I have seen a few people relating the design to Masilago with those sort of that rear horn that goes down.
But I think it's interesting.
It's cool that they're making it and it's got an actual engine and it's not electric.
As soon as I saw...
I only saw the image of the car first.
I thought, let's go to the electric.
Yeah.
It's just going to be electric.
But it is going to have an actual engine in it.
How do you announce the production will be limited to 499 units?
Now, the thing that I guess is it's built on a Lamborghini platform.
So there hasn't been as much R&D, but it seems weird to develop that whole thing.
In my head, you'd do it for like three or four.
We'd make them super rare.
But to then own to build 499 where it's kind of in that weird middle ground between
a full production sports car or super car and something really rare.
It's weird to see that.
I want to see some in some other colors.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Also, one in black gets rid of the moustache.
Bully.
Give it a trim.
Yeah, it's not ideal.
Now, any of you who will see that, you will struggle to unsee that.
I haven't seen any pictures of the inside.
Maybe there aren't any pictures of the inside.
There are.
The inside's nice.
The inside's nice.
Is it?
Describe it right now while I pull up a photo.
It's a little bit Blade Runner.
Okay.
It's a little bit modern day.
I'm going to be honest with you.
That if you...
I'm going to put it on the screen now.
If you told me that was the new Audi A3 interior,
I'd think you're fine.
I think, yeah, that's fine.
Why has it got the biggest paddles on planet Earth?
Those are huge.
You can change gear for audio listeners.
It looks like just any modern Audi dashboard,
same kind of steering wheel as usual,
but with a long iPad in the middle.
I quite like the gauge cluster thing that's locked away,
so the passenger can't see anything.
Yeah.
I quite like that.
How fast do we go?
Would you like to know?
It's quite simple.
It's got the buttons down there for shifting,
which I'm never that keen on.
No.
Or for shifting between.
Yeah, it's kind of...
It's clean.
It's quite Audi where it's like...
They haven't added a lot of stuff,
but screens I'm not too keen on.
And the start button in the middle kind of looks like a touch button.
Yeah.
But interesting to see or looking forward to see
when they come out, see some cool specs.
Yeah, show me some specs.
And maybe that means Lamborghini will come out
with something equally as mad.
Cool.
Also, I thought that the Temurario engine,
I'm fairly sure, is an in-house Lamborghini thing.
Yeah, it says it's a Lamborghini engine.
Oh, so it is.
Yeah.
So, at least they're saying that and not lying.
I think it was L141.
Something that wasn't on the list.
I've only just remembered, worth talking about,
is the Genesis that they revealed recently.
The Magma GT might have made that up.
I think that is the name.
But it's a mid-engine supercar thing that Genesis came out with.
Oh, wow.
And they released those sort of concept ideas,
like the G90 wingback, which is the estate.
And now they've come out with a supercar thing that looks really cool.
And even in the interior, the interior looks really nice.
And it's got actual dials and stuff.
The Genesis coming out with some cool stuff.
We showed a photo before, which was this photo of a concept
of what it's going to look like.
But yeah, they've now released what it will look like.
And wow, that's very cool looking.
Yeah, it's really cool.
Like a...
It reminds me almost of 1950s, 1960s,
Lamont cars, looking very low-larish.
Yeah.
But that's very cool.
I like that.
The Genesis coming out with some cool stuff.
And who's designing Genesis?
Exactly.
Mr. Donkavalk, who I would absolutely love to have on this podcast at some point,
and talk about...
We'll talk about Genesis, but we'll mainly talk about Lamborghini, if I'm honest.
If they make that wingback thing, that's...
The other side is really cool.
I believe, I genuinely believe that's something I would put myself into deep finance for.
Like I really would.
I'd have it.
What is that?
It's the wagon thing that they make, put the concept out for.
G90 wingback.
This thing then, that looks...
It is like an M5, but good looking.
That's cool.
Like that is...
That's a fantastic looking thing.
And also, while I was in America,
I mean, or Genesis itself is much bigger out there.
You see lots of them.
I actually just think they're kind of nice looking, even the normal sedans,
saloons, they just look nice, whatever they are.
I don't know their name.
Some of the older ones looked a bit like a sort of Bentley copy type thing.
Yeah, exactly.
But some of the newer stuff feels a little bit more.
It's going its own way.
So next up, we have news.
One of us...
I feel like I'm announcing the next person to be exiting the jungle.
One of us is going to the quail.
Now, what happened?
So right at the beginning, when we said,
right, we're going back to Monterey again,
we said we got make it into the quail.
And what is the quail?
The quail is the most exclusive event at Monterey going,
when they reveal some of the most incredible cars.
But Mr. Benjamin said, I'll get the parts.
I'll apply for media and see if we can get...
If TDC can get in as TDC and not sneak in under a trench coat that's 17 foot long.
And...
I received an email.
I received an email.
But it's a very interesting email.
I'll read it to you.
Dear Mr. Ben Rogers, thank you for applying to attend the Quail at Motor Sports,
gathering on Friday, August 14, 2026.
You've been approved for one media potential.
So Benjamin is going to the quail on our behalf.
Now, what I just want to bring up is, Will, did you ever see the form he's admitted?
That Ben submitted?
I never saw it.
I never saw it either.
That's interesting.
So did he ask for three?
Yeah, or you did?
I asked for three.
I remember asking for three.
Now, the only thing that I think I don't know what...
Because you've both applied to, right?
Well, I have now.
But what did you put down?
I actually secretly applied without telling you both.
Because I applied for three, hoping that I would be able to come on this podcast and go
and reveal to you all that I would have tickets.
And then just two days ago, I got an email and I saw it,
subject to something to do with the quail.
I was like, really?
It was like getting a golden ticket.
I'm like, my invite has arrived.
And it was like, yeah, so we are reviewing your application.
We would like evidence that the owner of the company has said that you can go and do this.
So basically, I have to send them a letter that says,
I'm allowed to go, that I'm going to make content.
And I think maybe Ben will have to sign it off for me as head of the world.
They saw the name Ben the event.
Roger's went, let him in now.
He doesn't normally come to these events.
I did put my title from the actual company in it,
which is head of production, which does sound like I maybe might know what I'm doing.
Whereas obviously, what did you put in?
I put in Merci Lago owner to be.
Exactly.
There you go.
So I don't know if it's that or whether...
I thought it was pretty professional.
I sent some nice videos.
I said, this is what we do.
I didn't.
I just sent the channel.
I didn't.
I didn't put any specific...
You just said, this is who I am.
But they were...
Let me in or reject me.
But there was a thing that said, link to your most recent video.
Didn't do it.
Just put in...
Just put in...
I thought I had to.
Wow, that's why he got in, because they were like, this guy doesn't care.
He's clearly, you know, big balls.
He's like, I don't care.
I'm not putting a link just for the job you want.
I wouldn't...
Okay.
Not caring.
How would you dress?
Gesture outfit?
No, I've got that one.
Clown.
Got that one locked down.
As it stands, we will be dropping Ben at the quail.
Have a good day, son.
And Eddyn and I will have to go and linger the streets with you.
And I'll be dressed in linen.
While you wind up dying.
And head up toe.
And I'll be meeting Christian Monconic's egg.
I'll be taking selfies.
Yeah.
Can't blow.
But we'll get in.
We'll get in.
I think I hope we'll get in.
I mean, if I am not in, surely you'll get it.
Or I'm dressing up as Ben Rogers and I'm racing to the quail to get in before.
I haven't got a ticket yet.
And I'm going to go, oh, hi, Ben Rogers.
And also, would they say like, what, you know, publication are you from?
You're going, well, none.
Didn't put anything on my application.
No, no, no, no, that's not true.
Mr. Rogers, I'm very sorry.
Please leave some cards for the rest of the people.
I noticed you didn't have a camera with you.
You go, of course I didn't.
I didn't say it was making content here.
I am the event.
It's very sorry, Mr. Rogers.
Very, very sorry.
Now you will notice it's a very, not many people in the event.
And I know you're not used to that.
Normally it's stadiums full, but you should, it should suffice.
I put the publication in.
I shouldn't link to specific work.
Wow, crazy.
I applied for it.
I just think...
What did you put in?
The chat of the YouTube channel?
Yeah, I linked to the TDC.
I said, this is my job at TDC.
So you said, if these two guys have a fly.
They're bad news.
Do not respond to them.
Oh, no, I've got no parking pass.
No, you don't.
You can drop me off.
We're going to have to drop you off.
Yeah.
And you're too young to drive anything as well.
So we will have to drop you off at school.
Oh, we just don't.
And he has to come with us.
I'm going to move her.
Ben, if you go...
Getting an Uber to the quail is quite funny.
I would like this as a promise, please, Benjamin.
Yeah.
Now, if we don't get in with some chance...
I don't want to go on that.
No, no, no.
But we are going to have to send you in.
Yeah.
So we're going to have to send you in, but we will dress you.
Yes.
If we...
Do you want...
It's quite funny for the video, if it just cuts to me in the quail,
like eating caviar and drinking champagne.
But make it.
I want to get you a secret camera and a tie.
Yes.
I'm not wearing a tie.
Hey, what we're dressing...
What we say goes...
I don't wear ties.
And what we...
I don't wear ties.
Do you know what, Ben?
If it's just you going in...
Ties are...
Ties are the shittiest accessory to anything.
Tell me a time where you've seen...
No.
A suit is always better.
A two-piece suit with an open button on the top.
Nice crisp white t-shirt.
Get a tie out of here.
Yeah, if you're a sort of...
So I'm trying to sell me a...
If you're a sort of washed-up policeman.
Yeah, stop trying to sell me a used voxel.
Leave a tie.
Sorry.
All right.
A reporter in New York.
Yes.
And I've been out on these three-tile dates.
And a tie clip.
Get out of here.
Don't even look at me.
Ben.
We're going to send you in if it's just you.
And we're going to give you 10 people you need to go and find and speak to.
Ed Bolier.
Christian von Koenigsegg.
You're...
You're just a boat to Ed Bolier.
No, I know, but you...
In this case, you have to go and we'll give him...
You have to shrewdly negotiate with him.
Negotiate with him.
Yeah.
Doug Demuro, you have to take his shoes.
Off.
Yeah, off.
Shmi, you must trip him over because he nearly tripped when we were speaking to him before.
And also insult his cars.
And then who else you must speak to?
You need to...
I want a selfie with Gordon Murray.
Will he be in there?
I don't think he's a big quail guy.
I think he's more of a 17-mile drive.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I know.
Gordon Murray, I'd like you...
I'd like...
I would like a game-worn shirt from...
From Gordon Murray.
He's a good jersey swap.
Exactly.
So, you're holding his Hawaiian shirt.
You need to see if you can get a Hawaiian shirt and you give him wherever you're at.
Honestly, what are you going to dress me in?
Ben, that's for us to know and you to find out.
I'm not doing that.
Ben!
I want to know what it is.
Can I...
Now, can it be the exact whatever outfit you want, but we put you in a both-cat?
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Oh, Mr. Pitbull, please enter the crowd.
I was thinking like a full white suit or something like full linen.
Like so you fit in.
Like I've got linen shirts.
That's fine.
Like trousers?
Like the Kermal from KFC.
I've actually got matching trousers.
I've got, yeah.
Of course you do.
Same guy who said, oh, Ties of Bullshit.
Kermal looking at his full linen outfit going, I just more like it.
Dressed up like an extra from Too Fast Too Furious.
I've got white linen trousers and a white linen shirt I could wear.
But what I have is then I think...
But then I want you in a white Palomar hat too.
No, see that for me is not, that's not gonna be good.
Something I have like hit man or something.
Also, I would be the most uncanceable person in there.
Hey, no, that's why I really like this idea.
Like I'm actually hoping I don't get in.
Part of me is really praying we don't get tickets because it would be funny.
The only thing we're missing is we need someone else in the quell to film Ben.
So...
Or we'll send you in and you have to live stream it.
And then we can experience it.
Well, I'm shy and we're hey.
And now you've said, you've got, you're in.
You're good.
They're gonna hear this and go, well, we're not letting them.
You two guys are now.
We want to see this.
What are you gonna wear, folks?
I'll film it.
I'll bring a camera because I'm gonna have to film it because I'm on media.
I can't...
Do you know what they are?
You can't get media and just go into the event and just hang out.
I'd love, I want to put this in as a challenge.
I would like you to enter the quail wearing whatever you would like.
Fine.
But when you leave, you're in a full new outfit.
And however you do that is up to you.
I would like some sort of cool like Koenigsegg t-shirt.
Hey, you could buy things.
You can swap things.
Swap.
Whatever you'd like.
The jersey swap is already down.
So...
Go on, Murray.
I need you.
Trial swap is going to be a tough one.
Exactly.
Me and Chris and Mon Koenigsegg are switching haircuts.
Okay.
So how are you putting your hair on his?
Glue?
PVA glue.
Okay, that's all right.
Sure.
Shoes.
Me and Doug will swap.
He doesn't need them.
I'm just losing items of clothing here.
Yeah.
Trousers.
We'll get to that bridge, you know, at some point.
Now, question.
Yeah.
Let's say we don't get out of hits and we have to send you in.
How are you going to get us in?
Yeah.
What will you say?
Can you say that we're the videographers?
We're your videographers.
Can we pretend that you're a welt like you are?
Royalty in YouTube.
I think there's a basis though.
If I actually could, genuinely, if I could get in,
I could probably, because there was a media tent or area where people were writing publications
and that sort of thing.
We'd go up to that desk and say, listen,
there's two idiots outside.
I'm the producer here.
And we'd be there in suits with an open top.
Ties slightly to the side.
No, no ties.
There's a couple of journalists outside.
One's a dirty cop, the other one's a journalist.
Got thrown on a coffin.
These two wise guys, you can follow me around that day.
Right.
So either way, we will be, one of us will be going to the quail and coverage will happen.
Coverage will happen of the quail.
We'll see how it goes.
It's a big milestone to be fair.
It is very big.
We couldn't have dreamed of being at the quail last time.
Why have they approved me?
You are the event.
That's why.
That's true.
You were the best of us.
You'll get it.
Or what if only two of us get it?
Even funny.
That's it.
That's even more awkward.
Yeah.
No, because then we can, if we two of us get in,
we can get the influence of...
Also, if two of us go in, then there is a videographer for Ben.
Yeah.
And we can split up and look for clues, can't we?
Right.
What we got next?
Now, some real news here, Ben.
You've put this in.
Let's do it.
You said you're prepared.
New M3 concept.
I'm going to put the photo up on the screen.
I'm going to say it.
I don't mind it.
I like it.
I already liked the i3, i3 is the new electric 3 series.
I liked the look of that.
And I don't mind this at all.
This is a concept.
This is not confirmed production.
So it will probably be dialed back a little bit,
but I actually think that's kind of good.
I think this is a bit too concept-y.
I think once this gets some Germans looking at it going,
this must be a little bit in, you know,
it's a front corner, it's a bit too much out,
then I think that's going to look really good.
I like it.
I don't like the beauty spots.
It has either side of its cheeks.
A bit weird.
They're a little bit old.
I'm hoping those are the things that get something similar on the rear.
The rear I quite liked actually, if I remember correctly.
Yes, it's got the same odd reflector type of things or break.
I don't know what they meant to be,
but hopefully they are deemed too sharp and get, you know,
moved or removed or something.
Like the diffuser and the rear bumpers, which is wild.
Yeah.
So this is, so they have confirmed because they,
we already knew that they were supposed to be,
they'll bring out the electric and they said,
we'll do a, we'll do an engine one at some point.
I'm really keen to see the, what's called the engine one,
but I hope, I hope they don't do this thing where they go,
the electric one gets certain things or certain looking features
and the petrol doesn't because like the I4,
you have the I4 that has that, the long front end.
And then the normal four series doesn't.
As long as they all look the same, if that makes sense.
I don't want, I don't want to go,
the electric M3 has a nicer front end.
That's annoying to do that.
But I'm excited to see this come out.
Kind of prefer the, again, yeah, like you said, it's extreme,
but once it gets dialed back, then perhaps,
perhaps it could be.
Also, it's a four door.
I love that.
I love, we're back to saloon shape.
This is, that's how, that's how M3 should be.
What obviously M3 or is was, but it's kept that like stubby.
It's got 36 proportions is what this has.
But I don't know if they've mentioned this in,
off the top of my head, they've hinted that it'll be a hybrid,
I'm assuming the petrol version.
I think it has to be.
Yeah.
But like surely that's going to be coming up on a two tonne M3.
Yeah, it must be.
Because the last one wasn't exactly, it was very fast and everything,
but it was pretty heavy.
And now we are at M5 size in M3.
Because I imagine it looks quite small,
but I bet it is actually quite big.
A 2025 is M3 is between 1,750 kilos and 8,810.
Which is probably of a, or something.
But yeah, or M3, the touring.
But yeah, so that with a hybrid stuff, that has to be two tons.
So that's going to be, let's just stop this.
Stop it.
Let's go.
It's going to be six or 700 horsepower again.
I think I looked the absolute dogs down.
Now I remember that.
I'm looking at that thinking, but I seem to remember you being not on the side of it
when we were talking about the I3.
I sell our things.
How much of them do you mean?
Some.
Okay.
How much of them do you remember?
I like that.
I'm also interested to see what the price is on it.
Because surely, like we talked about with the Ferrari,
that's going to, they're going to have to go, well, it's an M3,
so it needs to be way more money.
But does it?
What will be the pull of the electric version?
Yeah.
Probably talk.
Has that happened on a big model yet?
I don't think so.
I'm trying to think of another car where you've said,
this is the M3.
You can either have the full electric version,
or you can have the one with the engine.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of many other big examples of that.
Isn't the Maserati Gran Turismo, or that is now, it's only electric?
I want to say they're all electric.
I don't know what the price increase was of the...
But that will be a good test of what do the people want?
What do you really want, guys?
What are you going to buy other than the people buying the fully electric one for a tax whale?
We'd never do that.
Never.
I would if I could.
The penultimate thing, before we get to a little forum question from our man Ben Rogers over there,
is that we've been contacted by someone very special.
It's someone we never thought...
You know what?
We've been after JK.
We joked.
We've been after Gordon Murray, but a bigger player, a bigger fish has entered the arena.
Denzer.
Denzer.
They're in contact.
Now, it is not related to our mentions on the podcast.
It is kind of a blanket outreach thing, and it's not strictly dense.
No.
So, BYD got in contact and said,
Yo, we're going to Goodwood.
Do you want to come to Goodwood?
Let's go to Goodwood together.
Do you want to come to Goodwood?
And it's not to look at our car.
We just thought you guys might want to come along.
We just thought you guys might want to come together and have a look at our car.
Maybe our car's there.
But it turns out, I actually didn't know this, that BYD and Denzer are one and the same.
I think we spoke about it.
I had no idea that was a thing.
When I saw the email, I saw BYD and I thought, I'm going to skip to the next email.
Then just scanning through as I went to skip.
I saw Denzer.
I thought, surely not.
Surely not.
So, there is a possibility.
It might not happen.
There is a possibility that we get in with Denzer.
Now, we know Daniel Craig by proxy.
Of course.
Well, we're one step away.
You're six degrees of separation and it goes,
us, Denzer, Daniel Craig.
But there is a reputation to be upheld here,
particularly from you guys as actual car enthusiasts.
Journalists.
So, we made a decision today.
Pitch it to you.
Yeah.
It's up to the crew members.
We will go to Goodwood.
Barryman, Goodwood, a lot of different manufacturers are there.
Publicly, we will be known for going with BYD.
Yeah.
Which is, hey.
And Denzer.
Nothing wrong with that.
We like them.
Good save, Ben.
Good save.
Ben's decision has already been made.
That wasn't the best pitch.
Better just let us know what you think.
No, it's up to the crew members.
Is it worth selling our soul to the electric car industry
to go for the joke of going potentially with Denzer?
No joke.
Also we got employees at Denzer.
We've got no other invoits on the table.
No exact find.
Or do we stand our ground?
And do not go.
And stand in solidarity with the creamers.
You said do not go to the festival of speed.
Festival of a Denzer.
That's the festival I'm going to.
I think we should go.
I think it's funny.
Now I saw...
There's also...
I want a Denzer wristband.
I want a Denzer shirt.
Yeah, Denzer merch.
I would like Denzer merch.
It would be kind of cool.
I want a sticker on my car that says my other car is a Denzer.
Now, randomly, I saw on a little Instagram, I'll give this man his props.
There was a man who is doing...
Our friend Evian actually sent us.
He sent us the video of a guy in China testing out Chinese cars.
And there's a micro car that's convertible.
A, I want one.
We need to see if we can get one over here.
But I got served another one of his reels that was a...
It's called a Neo, which is again another...
It's generic Chinese car.
But they do have...
They have a wagon one, which I'll find a photo of and put up on the screen.
It's just kind of generic looking wagon thing.
But he's called Yachao Drives on Instagram.
But he tested a like a stanced one on air ride.
Man, you know what?
If there was a start...
Here we go.
Wheels looking at the car on screen, which just looks like a generic...
Don't come here and talk.
Why does it look like that?
Look at the front wheel.
Why is it like it's floating?
Yeah.
It's going on here.
Is it...
Why is there a bit of doom in the spare at the front of the car?
That's a good point.
Now that, I looked at that.
It's not very good on screen.
You can look up his Instagram.
But I looked at that and I thought, that looks kind of cool.
Imagine a better Chinese wagon.
Imagine a Denzer stance.
Oh, Denzer.
A Denzer.
I could...
I think I could get involved with that as a thing to roll around in.
Again, I'm not...
I don't want to go...
I don't want to turn to the dark side.
We haven't made our decision yet.
You know, I don't want to turn to the dark side and start...
Pull up on that Chinese EV game.
But A for the joke for the meme that Ben's...
My business partner tells me it's not a joke.
But also, I kind of rocked with the air-eyed out wagon.
It's kind of cool.
Aired out Denzer.
Denzer on air.
First Denzer on air might be a TDC.
If you don't see us going to Goodwood, you know that we stood our ground.
But we will take your feedback on that.
We'll look very heavily to the Denzer stand at Goodwood.
Oh, regardless if we're there with them or not, I want to see if we can get some merch.
Even a Ferrari invite us.
Which they won't.
Denzer mug.
They're a set of couple T-shirts.
You're sure?
Yeah, but Ferrari and Denzer are the same now because they're making the luce.
Yeah.
There we go.
That's our Ferrari invite.
Going straight out the window.
Gone.
Dead.
You're the same as Denzer.
Okay, Benjamin.
You're up for the finale of this podcast.
A forum question.
Here we go, folks.
He's just going to get ready.
He appears to be texting someone.
Hi, Ben.
Forum question.
Quite often when you're all talking about a certain car, someone might say that you can get
into a decent one and do whatever for X amount of money.
One example is a Clare 197 and the boy said you could get on for about two grand.
When I've gone to look at them for myself, I'm looking at absolute dogs for three grand.
And this is even on Facebook Marketplace too.
My question is, how do you go about finding good cars for that kind of money?
What are the best places to look for auctions, etc.
Outside of general places like Auto Trader that generally have inflated values?
Good question.
First things first.
Yes, that's true.
You will see a lot of people say you can get one for this or that.
The reality is usually that the cars that you see when you go on Auto Trader on Facebook
are the ones that aren't priced that well because they're still there.
The good ones go, if that makes sense.
If you're serious about buying a car, you can't be laissez-faire.
You can't be just, I'll just have a look.
You have to be on it.
You need to be checking multiple times a day.
You need to be in the forums.
You need to be in places where a car will come up that you get to see it first or you get in that early.
If you're two weeks behind on a car, there's probably a reason why it hasn't sold.
A.K.A. Benz S2000.
A lovely gentleman was at home.
He opened his phone and he saw two hours ago, S2000 listed.
Bang, it's done.
It's sold.
It's off because there was a good enough deal that he went and got it.
So that's what you have to be on it and quick with it.
The reason that things like forums work are because there are people who are,
they're into the car well enough that they a. have got rid of most of the problems,
but b. they value it correctly and not dreaming.
They're not a trader who's putting up four grand above the next one next to it.
They want to get rid of it.
They want to get rid of it to an enthusiast.
They'll stick it off the right money.
C.K.A. Benz S2000.
Also, when you're...
Well, it's more specifically on the clear, but it applies to every other car,
is that there will be a price point you can get into them.
But do not expect to buy, as you've already said, that there were dogs.
They will be dogs.
C.K.A. Benz S2000.
That will be...
You get what you pay for for most of the time.
So as an example, that clear I had, it was in a relatively desirable color.
It still cost me £2,600, which is very cheap.
C.K.A. Benz S2000.
But the car needed three or £4,000 worth of work, essentially, to make it even slightly right.
And then it's still not worth that much either.
So you will be looking at...
In any car, if you're looking at right at the bottom of the price range,
you will be looking at spending more money.
So you can get into them for that money, and people will always say that.
And we've said it before, but sometimes it's not as worth doing that.
Which is worth looking at.
Somewhere slightly up...
You have like the other end is the cars that are completely overpriced,
super low miles, ones you probably don't want to buy.
And then there's normally a nice middle ground that somewhere in the middle,
towards the cheaper end, where you buy...
They're the ones that tend to move really, really quickly.
Yeah, they will sell.
And those are the ones that we mean when we say you get a decent one for that.
Yes, you can get a two grand Clio 197.
And you'd find that on Facebook Marketplace, in the groups, on the forums.
But a decent one will cost you three and a half to four.
And that decent one, it's not going to be mint.
It will be a 15-year-old car, but it will be from people who know the game enough to go.
I've done the belts on it.
I've done the radiator support.
I've done the stuff that we know it needs, not...
I've taken it to the dealer every day for the past year.
It's 20 grand.
That's not necessarily a decent car.
A decent car is one that the correct things have been done on.
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Also, please be aware that as much as a lot of car people are very nice and respectful,
there is also a very large portion of them who are kind of choppers and will go,
you could spend £9.60 on your car and they'll go,
you spent £9.60, get one for 28, come on.
Got your pants pulled down on it.
Yeah, I know you come in, will you?
Yeah, me.
Yeah, I bought one for cheaper than that.
And all I've had to do is rebuild the gearbox, the engine, repaint it, buy new wheels,
new brakes and fully re-trim the interior.
But other than that, it's great.
That's RoryMcKai.png.
But there will always be somebody who will tell you that it's that they get on for cheaper.
Yeah, it's difficult.
Coming from us, we make YouTube videos.
Exactly.
And you will see all over YouTube, the stuff that people want to watch is the cheaper stuff,
the rougher stuff that most people probably wouldn't want to buy, realistically.
And actually, aren't the best deals either.
So you look at it and go, how did you get that for that money?
When in the real world, it's very difficult to find the really good deals.
And actually, you're taking a massive gamble buying cars at the lowest.
Look at our RS6, for example.
That car's been a nightmare.
But if anything, we've been lucky.
That car was insanely cheap.
It was absolutely well below the bottom of the lowest price.
And realistically, we should be looking at a car that doesn't have an engine that works.
But it runs and it drives and it might have an MOT soon, hopefully.
So that's what you're gambling on when you buy the bottom of the barrel car is you might not
have the budget to buy the better one.
But you need to bear in mind that if you buy the crap one, you are going to spend money on it.
You will.
You are, unless it's my alpha, for example.
It's yeah, some out of 600 pounds.
Some cars you get incredibly lucky with and they just somehow work and they're fine.
And the other thing is that we are we're skewed a little bit in that we are so
abocuse of work, but be even outside of work.
We are looking at the prices of all cars every day, all day.
Not I'm not trying to say we're all knowing, but we've got a general idea of what a car
should cost, what most cars should cost from the 90s going up to the mid 2000s.
Like we kind of have an awareness of that.
So, but that even that should be taken with a pinch of salt.
If we if someone says to you, oh, you can get them for this, you might not be able to,
but you do have to keep an eye out for long enough to actually see the values of price
of the prices of cars.
You get it on the flip side with people that go, those are selling for 200k now.
Yeah.
Okay.
A delivery mileage one that sold at an auction that was also a charity auction, 200k.
If you go and look on auto trader, you'll find whatever car that is made up X car.
There's five sitting at 150 that haven't sold.
That's not the true price of that car.
Cars that sit do not reflect their value.
It's only the cars that sell reflect their value.
So, worth keeping in mind, but yeah, advice, just got to be more on it.
Keep keep an eye out for a deal.
And looking multiple, some people will stick to auto trader.
I haven't noticed this on some people I've spoken to where they only trust auto trader for some
reason.
Yeah.
Even though an auto trader is a really good place to search for cars.
It's still the most popular one, at least in the UK.
But there are many, many other places you've got auctions like collecting cars and whatever else.
Oh, actually, I'll talk about that.
And eBay and whatever else on Facebook and owner's groups and even going into actual owners
for like forum websites.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's worth doing because it might be some old boy who doesn't want to deal with the
inter of normal classifies and goes, this is my car, whatever.
Sometimes people are just buying cars by word of mouth, by someone they know.
There are so many different places.
So broaden your horizons.
Yeah.
Have a look everywhere.
Do your research as well as you don't get your pants pulled down on prices because it is
possible, especially from the dealers and whatever else.
And yeah, and don't listen to YouTubers.
Yeah, idiots, all of them.
Some of them are shilling densers these days.
We're incentivized to buy shit cars.
We are.
If we buy shit car, better content.
Ben, why were you doing it before YouTube then?
Just for class.
For the love of the game.
Yeah, you got practice.
Would you say dress for the job you want?
Exactly.
That was the last thing I was saying.
Collected cars triggered it in my mind is that some of you would have seen
the post on Collected Cars Instagram that we're going to be doing some videos on there.
Well, it didn't explicitly confirm it, but you saw.
And the creamers, although they were out.
Creamers were in force.
Again, in force on that post.
And we haven't said anything about it yet.
Nothing's changing.
No one's leaving.
No, no.
We're just doing extra videos.
There'll be one extra video for the next few months on the Collected Cars channel
doing some sort of tours of people's collections.
We've done some really, really cool ones so far.
We did one with a guy named James who had a really cool collection.
Super good.
He keeps his cars literally in his back gardens.
He's got a Diablo SV, a Skidoree, a bunch of other cars that he keeps.
We did one with a Nixon Sahota as well.
And we've got another one coming up as well.
So there will be some extra videos for you, basically.
TDC cream, all stays exactly the same, but extra creaming if you like.
They just asked us, do you like those videos where you walk around and look at people's
collections?
And we said, yes, but they just don't tend to do as well on ours.
And they said, well, do you just want to do more?
We said, yeah.
So that's why we're doing it.
So it's extra videos.
In the most recent one, we drove a 355 Spider and a V8 Swap T30.
Hell, yeah.
So so far, they've been pretty cool videos.
It's a little bit different to what you might have seen on TDC and TDC, but that's the point.
So have a look at Kletz and Karz YouTube channel.
Give it a subscribe and what such.
I'd like to make a presence known.
Yes.
I'd like to see some creamer representation in those comments, please.
They're a higher echelon than we are.
So maybe let's elevate our comments.
I'd like to see some refined creamers.
This video is the cream of the Karaz.
Exactly.
Some something that's just a little in-joke.
It's just something to it.
Yeah, just something like.
Don't say I've been creaming all over the place.
Something more.
I'd like to see, you know, Barry Bredmore here.
I've had one of those.
They're lovely cars.
Wow.
Yeah.
I love a bit of cream with my cream tea.
Oh, my neighbour, Debbie Bingles, have one of those.
Beautiful car.
Debbie Bingle was one of the top comments on the Kletz and Karz party.
And I can't, but I can only imagine that people looking at that would have gone.
What?
The people responsible for hiring us at Kletz and Karz going.
And one of the top comments, Tom comments.
Just being a 9-11 joke.
That's fine.
Yeah.
And that signifies the end of this podcast.
That's all the time we have today.
Thank you very much for listening to the 87th episode of the cream podcast.
We'll be back next week.
No more long holidays for Benjamin.
We've banned him from holidays, so you know, you'll be getting them.
I've got them booked for the rest of the year.
Of course.
The box is closed, isn't it?
Actually, more for Monday.
Haven't told you that yet.
Perfect.
Right.
Yeah.
That's your for Monday.
Pen's Bank Holiday.
Perfect.
With that, we will see you next week.
Thank you very much for listening.
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Ben’s S2000 sale and the crew’s ongoing bets kick things off, including how quickly a car can move once it’s priced right. The conversation then shifts into practical ownership talk: reliability sweet spots for Porsche Caymans, the real cost/time of engine-out jobs, and why clutch parts get brutally expensive. After that, it turns to event and travel planning—Quail at Motor Sports, a Nürburgring trip with an M3, and Goodwood outreach—before ending with more car-buying strategy and van-life chaos.
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