Car companies mistakes

Does professional idiot. Drive.

Give some else's part so you know whatever the name was he took it so. So we're gonna have to nail, no

call you as Ellen. Ellen, beep, as I mentioned, a

change, your name, change my name in the chat, in the chat, it's perfect because it's a car show allonby.

Thank you. I'm sorry.

Fresh-cut fries cats. Yes.

Yes trying to make something out of what was there.

Looking looking good, dude. Look at very fresh-looking, very

friendly fresh-cut. It's just never know.

I'll have the same hairstyle until I die.

That's my only option. Well it oh no.

Oops simples yeah exactly. This.

The shampoo just sort of goes everywhere.

You just, you know, there's no, if there's no designated line, you just like the Blurred dude. Oh, I can't, I can't talk.

I'm receding. So it's happening as well.

So I'm sure we're, I could see you with a bit of a David, you know, shave on the sides on the sides out of the good.

Anyway, this isn't hairstyle talk.

We're gonna start with some Hedgehog.

It wasn't something here. We talk all things cars here in

Northwest as well as we talked. We talked interesting topics

that we're that we've come up with interesting topic tonight which we'll get to in a little bit but we're going to run the screens. We're going to few more boys,

jumping on. But what's not what you guys

Edward updates with you? My friend updates with me.

Well, there's a fresh update. The Volvo.

S60 is no longer in my possession.

It's all gone now that that's over as of about an hour ago, so that's pretty. Fantastic.

That was it will look at was a cheap car.

I advertised that on Marketplace and someone saw the value in it and yeah, it's driven home. So there you go.

That's one gone. I haven't done anything with the

Saab 900 in terms of getting it running I just kind of haven't had time. I did spend a few days at Lake

hat are four wheel driving and that was great.

Fun managed to get the Pajero bogged well and truly.

And I was very thankful that it's got a winch on the front because if I didn't have that we probably still be there at me out. I wish my friend out twice in

his Discovery as well. So it was it was used as I was

telling David earlier three times within a half hour period And I thought we all just sat there at the campfire that night said, thank God for that winch. You don't want to get stuck up

there. Things happen up in the

mountains. Yeah, we'll stop that mountains

there but yeah, I know what you mean David is?

I don't know. Damn boot.

I am I sort of Saab 900 in red? Yes.

Sir. Driving down.

And I was like, would that be it?

You know, because I wasn't sure that you want in the condition.

I just thought you know try and check but unfortunately I couldn't I like silvery blue. Yeah.

And it doesn't run. So no, that wasn't me.

It's actually quite so she got a tiny card.

Like I quite like It, to be honest with you, I, yes, ma'am.

Speaking of horizon. Can we can we go to you next

match? Just because of that.

Sure, well, you know, it's, we'll go later, we'll go later.

All right, so, mr. Prince of those with you.

Whoa. Well, it must be something in

the water up. I've sold them at ease this

afternoon to. That's go off to work.

So that's a bit of a miracle. A modern-day Miracles that it's

that was good news. He's very happy.

So that's very good. Looking for an economical run

about to get him to and from work.

And let's go get much more economical than that. 800.

Throbbing cc's of power, someone say feel disappointed with has just joined us is no more reason of the market.

So we're gone. You can't even consider it now.

So God. I know you to Teslas are

probably not doing what you want and you would certainly really want my natural teeth through like this.

You snooze? You lose?

That's I get it. I get it.

I'll never get a chance to own a Honda Civic again.

A little bit. But mr.

Prince, you had a lovely weekend.

We did, we did, we had a very special event so my my car experience was mostly to do with that.

So, we had the 50th anniversary of the club that I'm the vice president at all, which was the Third Time Lucky put off twice during covid in Melbourne and the stars align.

It was actually it was a brilliant day, it actually probably worked out better than the format.

We were going to have previously.

All the cars that were in this time last week in various stages of assembly got there under their own Steam and got home under their own steam. So that was great.

We had the project called that the club's been working on for the last couple of years. That was the, that was finally

there on show, we had six cars, actually all together on show and had a couple of people from Honduras trailer come out and they bought an NC 1 NSX which was the pre-production car, the red car, that's done the route. Words of some shows.

And I actually took some great photos, one of them being probably the world's only photo of it in.

NC NSX next to a Honda acti from 1983.

So they wrote, it was actually really great.

We I was chatting to one of the fellows from Honda and the CEO actually. And as people were leaving in

though, you know, first-gen inside came past and these jaw dropped to the ground and couldn't believe there was still one on the ground they sold. Use them.

I think in Australia, this is always old, that's always out.

Yep. Fifty-five thousand dollars,

they were and manual only two seater.

Yeah, first hybrid on the on have sold in Australia that they picked the Prius by about a month, I think.

And yeah, so fairly unique little car and then in this 600 roll past, you know, with the roof down and heading off into the sunset. And he just said, I can't

remember the last time I saw one of those on the road.

He's, this is brilliant. You know, he was Genuinely

excited by the whole thing. So awesome, it was really good.

So yeah, we're so great day. So a lot of lot of organizing

and a lot of fluffing around to be to get there but we got there. So that's a good thing.

Real live event. David.

That's for real life in. Yeah, we actually had more

people than we had booked for the June event, so we had just under 90 there in the end. So it was it was brilliant

really good at lots of You from years ago and catching up with people that they haven't seen any tax though.

There's a great day. That's also move.

What? I'm yeah, thanks was you Ross,

I'll plead to you updates, Car Wise.

Nothing in particular with my own cars.

At the moment, Tesla had an update, it has the white wires been sitting there still got 120 case on it, still on its first charge, it's been six weeks. I had to get that to Wi-Fi the

other day, so you could get its update, and then I had another one. And now, with the new update,

the car itself will detect where, where the parking spots are as you're driving through the Shopping Centre car park, and if you slow down enough, it will automatically put it into reverse and auto reverse the car into the parking spot.

So that was one of the newer updates but this but it's why it's different when it's a little bit, I guess.

Unique is because it already can do that with The Radars but this is the first update with vision only so it uses the eight cameras around the car itself. All right, you figure out where

everything is like, obviously that's what autopilot is it's a complete Vision based system. It's not radar-based.

So because test has moved away from that their machine learning side of things on computer vision is getting really good.

So that's what I've updated it, I haven't tried.

I did it myself, but I've seen some videos of people giving you go in Wollongong and other parts of the country and it seems to work fine. It Tesla's in one go.

They are apparently though the from someone there from Sydney on holiday that's it apparently that it what the system is not able to do if you pull up next to a disabled car park spot though, it will still park it in there.

Oh, so it'll I mean obviously, Leslie, you'll slow down and you have to engage the system to do it, but a it is something that I think we disabled itself. Huh, I think that's the lab guy

even still. I'm picturing that Seinfeld

episode where George parked his father's car.

In the in the handicap spot hi-yah, they came back in the car was a little, you know, bashed around and Jerry.

Apparently this was an ad lib line Jerry just says, you know, most of this will just buff right out.

You know, it was, it was Major penalty but apparently that badly that wasn't part of the script.

Yeah. and one well, one other sort of bit that I think Aladdin

I can I went to a car dealership with a friend of mine and we had a pretty it was a good car, it was a good dealership experience overall the salesperson seem to know what they were selling and yeah, it was just overall pleasant experience compared to what a lot of other sales people are doing at the moment and just brushing people off because we don't have Car to sell you.

I think that's. I think that's the case with

most dealerships at the moment, to be honest with you, like this, there's no stock around and they just like, well, we don't care, so I can. So that's, that's called up,

that's for my end. I was going to say, R is

considering you have to Teslas. It must be tricky getting case

on both of them. So you need a bit of help with

that. You know, you've always always

won't come down obviously since Beats what's told by dr.

Dre we need dr. Allenby on the scene, stay on

the scene and we are we got to get it down.

We got to get you down here. My man actually.

One more quick update. Sorry to take up so much time.

400 said apparently miss him Australia.

Reckons there is an insane amount of demand for that car but they're not going to tell us when the prices will be launched or any of those other details on how Any causa they've been able to secure for Australia so it's all media bullshit.

Wow, serious. Tesla related question, is how

they with kangaroos? I don't know.

Great response reason there if there is Churchill park down the wall, about five minutes drive from here, where there is a lot of kangaroos and police paddocks and stuff.

Where my Brother had an incident with the huh?

With the golf they go brother is a menace on the road.

No, no. That was just the last one that

was when he had the gulf now. He's got the Volvo thing, but

yeah, I think I don't know. I wonder if they are videos of

them. Taking Volvo spent a lot of

money, trying to work out Kangaroos.

And yes, as to Australia and and in the end it was too hard.

I think. Yeah, it's so I'll have to I'll

have See if I can find some videos and shared in our exclusive exclusive group that signal Japan.

That's it, that's it. That's awesome.

Big kangaroos up at like Hedda. They were very well-fed danced

in front of my Pajero bull bar, but I did not hit them.

Well, they were wildly. I think it was also shot them.

I think Ed was also using In his computer vision for that.

Yeah, Scotty welcome to the show.

My friend. Thank you.

Now, sky with you. You get a little reminder?

Yeah. Right.

Who dies? I was unsure Hill.

Was listen, Scott roadworthy on. The r31.

Wasn't that for wasn't that forceful is nicer than that.

It was nice message. Yeah, it is a little bit of

update. It's that I can actually share.

I went and saw and the absolute Legend the myth itself in person. Got your seat back only see I

did get my seat back, it looks fantastic.

You wouldn't even know where it had any any tears or holes or anything. It looks amazing.

So really excited with that. Who did that one?

David. Was that a Ross?

That was a rush job. Yeah.

Most job. Yeah, really.

Yeah, it was just bolster, was it?

I didn't chain to see Greek burn in the, in the seat PAD as well.

So we had enough fabric that we did that as well.

So it's a I couldn't be happier with the way that's term out.

I got to give it a bit of a clean and make a call it in.

It'll be lovely. Have you ready yet Scott.

So I've got someone checking out hopefully.

A ride to see if it's anything that I might need to do.

Yeah, this weekend, I'm going to do some car stuff.

Whatever. I need to do, to finish up, I'm

going to have a look at the speedo, see if I can get that going. Hopefully, I read a couple

things, what it could be. So I'll just have to check it to

see if it's tart or not. And yeah, hopefully I'll do

everything I can to get this on the road and ready.

That's my aim for Signal. Japan's long Far.

Far Away coming fast. That's good news.

It's not, it's not this weekend. It's the next one, isn't it?

There are 12 days away. Whoa, look, how am I bringing?

What are you bringing it? Japanese car.

Yeah, you can't be something else.

No, no, no, we won't. Wow, it's classic, not Japan.

It's not it's not German, sorry. But one of the things that

really irked me on the MX-5 where the pedals it would be.

All right, if they were just aftermarket pedals, but one of them had tape on it to help secure it.

The accelerant and I thought that was experiencing it's pretty math. You know, I really want to get

some change. Negro.

And when I did my big old order from parts from the UK, the aisle Motor Sports pedals were the ones that I am end up ordering as well? They actually came separate,

they came to think a little bit before I came back from Canberra and yeah, it was not that hard to take off the original pedals.

I was a little afraid because it's the fastest symbol rusted.

They're, all orange curve for the headaches bed in there doesn't work and then I thought maybe it's a talks, it didn't look like a talks, but I'm gonna try.

T10 came right out. Yeah, there are those kind of

squeaking around but they had this weird thing of like, then these little plastic not plastic metal strips and basically the screws were tied into there and I was like pulling on the back of the paper, which I don't think was very secure.

It's already say there's a Nerf, as they've said is super, super cheap, special say was an auto tech because special, it was a Monza. Was it was 110 honza, Before I

went in with the new pedals, I did watch a video of somebody doing it and they had the seller is nice and easy because there's two screws and some nuts and they just got home.

Nice and easy, the brake and clutch pedal is as you got to really just push it on and make sure the rubber kind of goes around goes around and everyone was having a ton of difficulty with it. So I decided to smart thing and

because it's Robert I put some silicone lubricant within the Rubber and use that to massage it over the pedal.

So that saved me, still nearly broke my arms and got, I decided this guy like 7:30 to 8:30 when the mosquitoes came out.

So my ankles are totally eaten by mosquitoes, but I end up getting on getting both pedals on and then I did smart thing.

But then you got a dimple as well.

Yes, the rest is all and that one just had to be drills.

Pre-drill, some holes, screw that one on.

And yeah, so obviously because of use lubricant on pedals and smiling. Got my interior cleaner.

Spray it on. Wipe them all down.

Make sure there's no residue left because last thing you want is slip feet slipping off pedals while you're driving absolutely from the 81st. LM beep.

Yep. So very happy with that.

Mod car looks much nicer in the, I mean, no one's gonna be looking at the pedals but the even the pedals feeling on your feet are feeling rather weird and bank and like making weird noises. So I'm happy to have those

changed. I tried to also change the what

blades I wouldn't realizes. I would either need some special

ability or or what they usually advise is like a pulling tool, so you cord around the actual wiper arm and then you kind of screwed down put pressure on it and it pops it off.

So I might have to invest in that at my local auto parts store, also bring it to me, I see.

Do windscreen wipers five bucks, but that's the issue.

With one hand and just unbolt them that they should just pop.

They should just pop straight off.

I've done it a few times so I'm gonna send you a video because I've gotten the ball of the night off, that's fine.

It's just they seem to be a little pressed in.

I was going to try and share and that's actually what I want to change initially in the evening. I thought to change the wipers

first and then focus on the pedals.

But as wipers didn't work, I decided to use that time.

I still have to do the reflectors but I'm also going to get fresh crew. So Inside the first screws.

And for that, I'll, I'll do reflection.

I think we're coming together. Yeah, still working again up

that I will hopefully get some of these advisers to get like an aftermarket one. I sort of called master and

seeing how much they'll sell me. I'll stop control. 270 seems a

bit much for, you know, I don't know.

But it's about the needs of my one.

Yeah, so the stock head unit you can apparently get a kit that attaches in Select the type flash me just input and you can then kind of to Bluetooth. So keeping it looking very stock

and they're still having Bluetooth connection seems like the way to go, I think that'll be all, that's cool.

Yeah, so that is a promising thing and yeah, I think that is about it for the MX-5. It's coming along once I've got

those things, buttoned up. I'll give it a probably a proper

cut and polish, I think we'll start with Matt's laser that needs to come home. Yeah, definitely, that's why

we're practicing. Definitely, it's definitely need

to go, which is speaking of it lies.

I've been driving it, he lost, you put over Jesus 2015, a case on it. Just just dropping the crap out

of it and it's such an easy car to drive.

Like I forgot how easy was dropping off kids because, you know what, when, you know, the Forester and, and that's the fly, it's actually just, you get an advice free, it just works.

The are cons, icy cold, it just bang first cranked off, you go, you know, it's kind of fuss free.

You know what? I feel like getting a little

too. The issues up to the rebuild

done. It's been, it's been faultless.

I can try can't complain. Do you know that like my

driver's side seat it after about probably in the Java sea for about an hour. It's starting to get really sore

not on the right side, but cheek because of the foam is pretty much in. There is no longer there, so I

will have to take that out. And there's someone and bring

that to you to get that sorted ASAP.

I think for I ride through the, the fabric that is chicken.

Oh, sorry. You have kids.

So today I'm driving the MR2 that's going in tomorrow for its yearly service and also to get the aircon done because I the guy that screwed me around, I'm not going back to him.

So ratna is going to going to take the compressor off, reseal it and get the goodies are concrete is an american guy, just to recast it for me, so that will be done, hopefully by Friday, it definitely be done before classical Japan obviously. So so that's that's happening

for that. Do today.

When I, when I, when I picked it up, I put my my job.

So we know the animal kind of got caught and dropped and I couldn't get it back out. Was like, oh, okay.

So I think it's come off somewhere, but I managed to get back up and now I'm really doing it the hard way.

I'm not getting enough to take any law, I'll get i'll get around that, I will do that as well tomorrow, while well, it's there, but yeah, that's pretty much it.

On my end of things, I think are for my car related updates.

Not even is Was it talking about before there's a 12-4 wagon which I'm very, very keen on. I just I waited for you tonight.

At Shannon's it is I want to buy but I have nowhere to put and I don't want to damage a nice te until I managed to get myself a garage that you can go in and mr.

Bunting, where's it going to go? I really I've really got

freaking ideology three cars out.

Yes, I remember. It's happening.

One car in. That's where it's going to go.

Yeah. So I'm Still Still toying with

the idea. I've been keeping a close eye

on. It's an 11-7 factoy by 11,000

$179 at 10 at the moment. And I've got to go that to

announce his team. It's going, right?

3:28 1.30? Yeah, that's cheap.

Yeah, I mean it might not but might not stay there.

True is a measure Riley Quattroporte, biturbo sedan 4-door a half? Yeah.

And I was like you know what, that would be Automotive suicide. That's got to be the worst

Financial mistake. You ever fact they do self $1000

and why this keep them like seven sitting there looking pretty and then you don't have next second.

So I've got a Maserati dude. Yeah I'll you know I'm I got to

ride that miraculous s39. The half that was that was like

going for in the, it was in the early teens for ages and it's exactly exactly and now it's don't want you to project.

So I'm as a righty marac project could be more than a project.

Always remember the episode of Jeremy Clarkson job in America in the engine. Bent the rod instead of through

the block. That's the red one.

The red one. Yeah.

That was hilarious. Yeah, I remember that.

But anyway, moving on gentlemen, to tonight's topic.

Now, mr. Prince I'm going to give you the

floor. I'm going to give you the floor

to how many time going to put this word.

You are at the you are the ultimate Honda Mana of all Honda men or hunt human. And what is Honda doing?

47 grand. Not even, it's not even it's not

even a Type R. It's a CVT 1.5.

What are they doing? Are they?

I don't know. I just saw David's David's just

had a drink and he's just pulled out a whole script and he's ready to read the topic. What a Honda doing is that we

have to address the elephant in the room.

Elephant in the room. I was like, I think trying to

Australian Market is that what they're trying to do?

Like, what are they doing? Good question.

I'll let you take that one David thing.

Thanks. Thanks.

Thanks Malala. They're tracing the chasing.

A different Mark of I think to what was the usual Market that?

You'd imagine a Honda Civic, the be involved.

It's a lot of money for a car at the social media that's just blown up. In regard to it and all the all

the couple websites care advice and we'll all those ones of his pointed out. The seeming disparate pricing to

the with the new model. Now it's a lot of money for what

would appear to be a car that was sixteen thousand dollars cheaper last year on this is the top end model obviously other drives really good so the proof will be in the pudding.

I suppose. I don't know what they're doing.

They're Chasing the value, they say but then I don't know how you can sell nine hundred cars and expect to make a profit in a business model from that. So, well, here's the thing,

right? Like the whole point of mass

production is to sell cars, right?

And I don't see how we got back to a lot of around the world or in the world. Yeah, and they're just like,

like, because they're showing Market.

I mean, you would know David, but the Honda Honda fan base.

Here is huge, like, massive in Australia.

It's good. Joe long pedigree in this

country. And this is to be honest with

you, I felt it was a bit of a slap in the face to people like you David because you know, it was it was just like well this is what we're going to give you and it's going to be going to try to model. What's it made of myrrh?

Like it's it must be. It must be.

Yeah, it's a grand more than the previous couple, the current shape. I should say.

I mean this is it's really kind of a bit of a fate.

It is the face of lausanne full new model.

That is a model full you on your generation.

Yeah I have I have it on good. Authority.

That it actually is a very good car.

The, it would want to be the Press from overseas has been pretty glowing on it at that it the way it drives the tech in it, and that sort of thing. I think you've got to go back.

We probably have to go think back. 30 years of those are the

those of you that can in 1991. A four-door Civic.

SI was twenty five thousand, nine hundred ninety five dollars if you convert that to today's money, that's 52 thousand dollars. Well, they were back then they

were a premium expensive, Japanese car so there are a lot of cars cheaper. And I mean, preview converted

into today's dollars was nearly He seven thousand dollars and the legend Coupe was a hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars in today's money. So they were always expensive

back in those in what some people say that the hello to sort of days. There's everyone would say that

with the loss of models like Prelude and Integra R and C are X and all that, that, you know, they've and the proliferation of see our SUVs and stuff. They're probably the sadly.

They're not at the point, they were in the 90s.

He's with that premium, sort of perception, I suppose amongst car buyers as a genuine alternative of the European cars that where that sort of money sort of thing.

So they're inexpensive Japanese car all through those years.

Sorry, they were to go off there but like in the in the mid 2000s like I still saw, hundreds the premium Japanese brand with the Accord Euro, and they were called the job, the whole Japanese BMW for a reason. Exactly.

And and they're always there always been a premium car.

And like, don't think Civics of Given well and I'm sure the new one would be fantastic. But like, the just a disparity

between between the price range is just is just astronomical.

So I, you know, I probably would have just announced Integra which we'll get to in a second but I just I just find it like it's really hard to kind of further than that but that chain. Yeah, that's right.

It especially on top of the change in the business model and the bench press dead head. As far as that whereas, you

know, a lot of people in the industry.

Think, well that's probably the way they're all going to go or the majority are going to go and say these are doing it.

Subaru did it years ago. So yeah, look, I don't know, can

I can, I can I just say, let's see what happens.

Give it six months and see what happens.

Absolutely, but I really wanted to work because I love Hyundai and I think Honda is one of the most Innovative and, you know, just impressive car companies of all time.

Are they have the pedigree in f 1 to 2 bikes to anything to the history behind Hunters. Just it's too good for this

country. Just to say well it's not a

viable situation, it's all on this here anymore.

There are not many other companies that actually build airplanes with the badge on them marine or I mean, what would you do in Super Cub motorbikes. I mean, you know, they've, yeah,

they were very big company, very successful company.

So I hope Larry went with But since they look how they went with Formula 1, they came into the hydrogen era very late.

Yep. And they're up there in the

competition already and they're looking at the couple of races away out, they from Constructors Championship again so yeah, that's that's amazing. That's, that's that's right.

So yeah, let's talk again in six months and see what the score is, shall we? Let's see how it goes.

Well, I felt like as a Honda fan, you know II.

Just I just found it. You like, and yes, like today's

money is different money to how it was, you know, back back down. I mean, I know you're looking

150k for a religion. Could be be like, wow, that's a

lot of money for a home. But then it was that, that's

what, you know, it was like, okay, that's actually pretty good. People, people tend to forget

that Honda Again, The Innovation behind on Diane and and like, how good they've been for so long.

I just think, you know, like with this announcement people of people got really harsh about him and, and I don't think I don't think they've seen the bigger picture.

I mean I'm just trying to like it is that it's I need to clarify, I don't know. I don't know much if it is but

is this is new model, the same around the world.

Or is it just in Australia that doing this new model the sales model know the sales model? Correct.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

No. No, no.

It's just in Australia. Well, it started in New Zealand.

There. It's the same as in New Zealand

model rule based on a New Zealand model from.

I think about 15 years ago, I actually like that that started 10 or 15 years ago. Yes, I was straight.

I In in, as far as the world goes, I mean Australia is a tiny market for Honda miniscule. Really.

So, I suppose in that way, they say they've got to deal with it in a different way. I suppose, as I said, tight like

you, I'm a humble guy and and I hope it goes well for them there. Yeah, obviously their marketing

people and they're like people with degrees and things.

All in this, got to thing, that should know far more than I know about these sort of things. So yeah, let's see what happens.

I suppose it comes down to profitability.

That's what they keep harping on about, you know.

That's right. That's right.

Like you said before, Matt, you know, it's isn't it just about selling cars? It would kind of ease but it

also kind of isn't, you know, because if you're losing $800 car, you know, I've trained a car, whatever it might be, there's plenty of car companies over the years that have lost money on on certain models. If not entire Rangers, you know,

you've only got its of delve into Google and you'll find, you know, I you know this blah blah blah model from this manufacturer, they Money on every single one they produced, you know, you like that's that's well documented and I think it's just comes down to we'd rather sell x amount of cars and have some profit in everyone in Australia than, you know, try and compete on volume where we just never will you know you know how are you going to compete if you're not selling cars? That's that's just that's just

like the purpose. I think they would just rather

sell less cars. As and and be profitable.

Mmm. And that's, that would be,

that's, that's really interesting.

You know, like When I Dave touched touched on this earlier, around the fixed price Model and 15 years ago, I think the launched in New Zealand. And when I first started looking

into this car dealership space, five years ago, I listened to a podcast or because it was an interview from the States from early 2000s and they were talking about how Honda had just launched their fixed price Model and how for most dealers, it wasn't working out. This is 15 years like Maybe mid

2000s. Yep.

So they've obviously tried this in different parts of the world, and there's nothing wrong with going with the fixed price Model. If the market, if your product

is unique enough, and if you can convey the benefits that your product has over, what everyone else has then.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the fixed-price model.

Some of the, obviously, the Chinese Brands entering into the market, whether it's the MGs of the world or have hours, or Great Wall Motors, Yes, everybody has opinions off them but they just come in. They've just said, this is our

price will not take five hundred dollars off a car but that's as far as we're going to go with it.

Yeah, so that you know, they're selling this selling regardless of what it is and people don't mind the product.

And that's that's the change in the market dynamics.

Now, that anyone looking for a Honda back in the day in the mid 90s and early 2000s did not have the option.

Of, they might have had some cheaper stuff from Hyundai and Kia, which was very subpar. But now the competition from the

Koreans, as well, as the Chinese Brands is you just can't like unless even the real loyal fans like myself.

And like my data guy who has a tie bar.

He just thinks that there's no well he paid fifty two thousand dollars for literally a brand new Type R 2018 and this car is And something. Yeah, so that's that's the sort

of dynamics that, you know, if Honda customers existing customers are cost-conscious, then this may not sell.

But then on the other hand, maybe they don't expect Civic to be a bit of a hot seller. Anyway, maybe they just want to

focus all the energy and efforts into the into the booming, HIV and SUV or the SUV Market in general and make money.

So that's it. Federation and the one of the

press releases I read said that they wanted didn't want to consider not having a Civic nameplate in Australia.

So, I mean, it's a bit like the Accord, I mean, the Accord volume with the hybrid Accord. The current one is negligible

for the for Australia, you know? But they felt it important

enough to actually still keep it available and at a price though.

Of course, I mean, it's not cheap either.

So, even back in the day, I mean, the everything from the Sure do. And the Integra is that they

were always a pricey car. What we've what we've what

people have to determine now is whether they're worth the money.

I think that was my next point. It was just like, well, you

know, yes, Honda's are great. Yes, they're reliable.

Yes. That they're a Hyundai.

And people, you know, people always like, respect honors and stuff and do I think the 90's and 2000's is like zero again, just they make Quality Cars. I would that work pretty much in

the in the Japanese space. I think to be fair unparalleled.

Yeah, yeah. In Toyota would want to make a

stuff and Subaru bit like in terms of in terms of just quality Honda was done under was there?

I but you know you got to think now is 47 thousand, three hundred bucks, you know, can I get a better car for that?

You know, then a Civic and and some people say, of course not because Civics are grown and I'll agree with you.

But you know, if you shop really hard enough like you can there's all there's a lot there's a lot of options in the market and and like I've been asking ever, why do they stop selling the jazia?

Like I was I've done a job on the weekend and I was just changing the battery, and I'm like, it was about was the last generation Jazz, and they sold here.

But this is what he awesome car. Like a really nice car is to

work on the interior was lovely well-fitting.

The Grilli good for information? Like why do they stop selling

it? Well, again, I think it's the

money. I don't think the current shape

one is coming out of Thailand. So it was head would have had to

been sourced from Japan. And I think they determined that

the, there wasn't a business case for it, that it would have been too expensive in the market.

I think that was the reasoning behind it.

I think And again sort of think well it's not about that in it, sort of twenty seven, twenty eight thousand dollars.

Everyone would have jumped up and down to.

Yeah, yeah, I get that, I get that.

It's just I just go one of the days of like the you know, the the twenty thousand dollar Master threes and I and even their mothers are expensive these days and and stuff like longer interesting Master is Australia, is the biggest market for mesda after Canada. I absolutely Japan.

I think so because of that, that At sighs.

I mean, it's been a source of frustration.

For some time, if you wanted to see x 3 or C, 6:30 or whatever, you can get a manual, you can get an auto, you can get till Drive four-wheel driving a petrol.

Diesel in some variants and stuff like that.

I mean, you have a choice and and that's what I think.

Australians are being spoilt for choice of different trims and different. And it's probably they have.

I'm not saying it's, we shouldn't have it.

But you know, you can. When you do Have the choice.

It's very easy there to write one off.

You know if you decide what I actually want to four-wheel drive manual you will you can't get that from on Dyke I wander or go somewhere else. So I mean we're such a small

market for Honda but there are other other markets.

Like, I mean, key is a huge market for Australia now and they have Australian suspension designers and stuff working at Kia. So, yeah, it's interesting the

way the market goes. I mean, 10 years ago, I suppose,

It was I mean when the three first came out as to awesome huge in Australia, you know? I mean it was it was doing okay

but you know, every car manufacturer, I think and we'll get on to it. I think in the rest of the topic

now is one good design. Design, story away from a huge

success. I mean, the kodo design of

Mazdas. I mean, most of them look pretty

pretty good. Now, you know, that's classy.

So you know I mean it's that's a significant thing for people.

If they see something I think or like that, how much is that sort of thing? What's this space?

I reckon we'll see what happens over the next few months.

I'm fingers crossed for him because I do not want them to leave Market because I said, I didn't lie.

I'm genuinely love them and I want them to say, so Honda, if you're listening to us, please stay anyway.

Well, this brings us into our next topic.

Also into the pre-cut. This was a precursor to our

topic of calms that like our company mistakes, big mistakes car companies have made. Now I was mentioning earlier

Earlier in the day the how should I mean power shift for transmissions? Which were not not?

Well, well well documented, but there's been there's been all sorts of issues and I actually want to start with with that one from for because Ford knew that they had issues early on and they kept selling and we're like well it's you know I think they worked it out, it was cheaper to to do something else.

Then it was just a just recalling and or properly.

So and now, you know there, All known from having shocking, dual clutch gearboxes and do not go near 0 for 2 with a dual clutch gearbox even more. So worse than v w, which is,

which I thought was really, you can give you couldn't possibly do that, but but Ford somehow managed to fall into that dumpster fire even, even even worse.

So, yeah, I think, I think they would be strong with.

But then, speaking of ew, as well, they've had these will get. This is kind of that kind of a

big one. That was a pretty big one yet.

Yeah. And recently I don't think

there's been enough media attention to this, but Mercedes Has been in they've sort of been caught out as well where they have in certain diesel vehicles, fitted devices that show lower emissions at the time of purchase and then over a period of time the emission levels sort of increase and it's not what they advertise. So that's been an independent

research, done out of Germany, where they've come out with and I'm not sure what the court will do.

This one, but it's not just Volkswagen nothing BMW and Mercedes. Got off easy.

Last time. What?

I am Le, but this time around, I don't think they would.

So it's sort of the emissions as well as I guess with Volkswagen.

It was more round. The reliability of the, you

know, the Transmissions as well, but these will gets been huge and I think you think a company would say look at these will get as a case study and be like, let's not do that.

At like, let's let's do everything we can to avoid that, that situation because that is inverted commas, you're screwed.

So you did affect them. Well, this so big that they kind

of just like a bit of a bit of a check that like, I always said that was saying, oh, we're going to leave Motorsport because of the big fines we can't and and I'll pull VW but realistically it didn't really hurt him at all.

Yeah I feel it didn't really do too much.

It just back people still buying and didn't really stop people know but then I think about what And like, in the u.s. time

low-paid 2.2 billion dollars in the, in the dieselgate Saga

itself, but if you sort of a blur of ew, sorry that Daimler did well. This is that was just one of the

big. I'm not sure how much we W ended

up paying well. So, you know, they've had to pay

huge fines and obviously the other bigger challenges that they have coming up are challenges that they don't know how to deal with at the moment such as Efficient manufacturing.

And some of the other sort of efficiency gains that up-and-coming brands have particularly China as a huge threat to all of those German makers at the moment because of the mass, the scale, the backing, the money, all of that stuff that they did just didn't envisage and the qualities.

I know it's not BMW, Mercedes level, but it's not too bad.

So it all of these things that they do in the media also that the Put out there where there is omission to lose trust with consumers evil Bartok them later on down the track.

Anyway if it doesn't do so today with billions of dollars in fines. Yeah, yeah.

It's a Yeah, really interesting that the fact that this is that they we we even still talking about these will gain and an emissions like that because you know, especially with the with the Euro emission standards. They're so strict and you like I

get that. Every company is trying to find

the trying to find a church, eat the door.

But when you Mass producing cars it's not like you're trying to get an extra second in F1, you know, it's kind of dealing with bigger bigger problems here, bigger fish, it was bizarre.

I mean people in Miracle paid out thousands and thousands of dollars for their cars. Went they they were yeah.

Didn't happen here. What was the reason while

dieselgate here? I was 130 million or something

that Volkswagen paid out or they will have to pay out.

Okay. So still in progress that one.

Yeah, I was only recently. Let me have a look.

I think only recently. They had a pretty big sort of

thing, a hundred and something Millie 125.

I Court decision on Five million fine for Volkswagen, that was two weeks ago, so sorry, but a fine for Volkswagen.

Yeah, fine for walks wagon but I don't know if people be paid out of that or not. Yeah.

Where is in America? The humor was paid whereas you

don't see that happening in out here.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

I suppose so more so cash aside. It's frequently these vehicles

were purchased by some people, just the extra gas or fuel economy that sort of thing. Yeah, but there was an inherent

understand that, right Gil? Buying this diesel car and with

good technology. You're polluting the planet

less. That was the least idea.

Idea to a lot of people. Yeah.

And, you know, spinning in that really I think matters a lot more than just the cash yourself because you're these people have no, I'm not only kind of making the planet worse, making the environment worse with something that we're not exactly going to be able to reverse without significant leaps in technology, or again, significant kind of changes in Will it massive company infrastructure, which will actually reduce carbon emissions? Like, there's that big whole

thing of everyone needs to do their fair share and you know, you can be let's be responsible and reduce carbon emissions.

But anything an individual individual does you can like be as green as possible for the rest your life and that won't matter for more than let's say four hours of emissions from a giant Factory. Yeah.

Those are the guys that really are ruining things and you know, you know, in this case, yes, there we doing it through cars but just that kind of pushing The responsibility of being green, or to people when companies do Terrible Things.

Yeah, that was the thing that got me about it was the arrogance that is of, actually, you know, tricking the testing the tests that were there that will I.

You will, we can just set it up so that it tastes properly.

And then, but does he really doesn't do it?

That was that was what doesn't do, what it says on the box, very bad, it's all in terms of testing as well.

Like the efforts they went to was like, don't you think you should probably test the cars on the road to?

Hmm. Yeah, you just going to rely on

these figures that, you know, you need to get maybe do a few more tests later on, maybe to see the car. 10 years later how

much changes over time just to engine where and stuff, like, it doesn't stop polluting a lot more, those sorts of things.

I'm surprised that did take as long as it did to be found out.

Yeah OTA. Hmm, the that, that sticky pedal

situation from many, many years ago.

That was pretty big like whether I guess the pedals of the accelerator pedal was out of control and I don't know how many people died on the back of that, but in the u.s., it was a

pretty big sort of thing in the late 2000s.

I think it was Don't try to deny that as well.

I think initially they did and all these big corporate company generally time, denial of that stuff because they know they've got the money. They've got the lawyers, they've

got everyone backing them. And the consumers, just don't

know that. If an idiot's for see if there

was, you have looked forward with the Explorer when they were rolling over and killing people and forward with the pinto getting hit up the backside and exploding essentially so and then I think it falls like today it was cheaper to pay out that I was to re-engineer the car because it was a cheap so just spontaneously combust It was right, a cheap, don't just spontaneously combust, I'm pretty sure that that's what they write the joke and that kinda Narrows our other unexplained fires. Immense importance of the

community jingle. For me, the one that comes to

mind is the fact that, you know, they renamed the Insignia into a Commodore. I think that was kind of

considering what kind of car you're going from, you know, to, you know, for a little Drive Thingamajig from Europe, like what would you do that? You know what the Commodore was

all about? You know, the people are all

about just call the Insignia and just say the Commodores down.

I think that got them quite a bit of ill-will.

I mean, at this point, the run away anyway.

So I guess it doesn't matter too much, but I feel that that was one of the nails in the coffin. For the, I mean, would you call

the Commodore? Would you drop a comment like

you drop a comment? Yeah, exactly right.

It was completely different, wasn't set up the same as what you envisioned. A commodore Was absolutely.

I hadn't been in the past. Yeah, I think I was, I think

that was the big slap in the face to to Commodore owners because because I think, you know, as a Commodore I should have died with the whole that like, with actual the Australian manufacturing. And I think it was, it was

really important for us to for Australian manufacturing just to end Commodore with Commodore with their shiny manufacture, in the Commodore and, and call the new, the new car just called the Insignia. Like, I was called everywhere

else in the world. I'm going to have to disappear

Maddie. So it would we get what?

I had a good car quiz for you to like, but someone else is gonna have to win it. Well, good.

All right. We'll talk to you later.

Alright. Okay.

Yeah, mr. Monkey dead.

But I see this thing about that Commodore Insignia, think today.

Actually, I mean, had Honda bought that car that car.

I'm talking about it now in and called it, the Honda Inspire or The Hondas saber, or something like that.

I wonder how if that would have been, it would have been accepted differently. I mean, people have no would

have known that, it was a Civic but now I wonder if was perhaps a mistake to call and to introduce call branded Civic, that's it doesn't really interesting for do because badges carry so much weight with them.

Exactly. And sometimes positive sometimes

it's - and just you're being very careful with how you approach those badges and, you know, in the future and making sure you're living through to the, I guess, original Spirit of the name is quite important. So possibly, as you thought,

we're trying to physical moving the Civic name off this, calling us something else. Maybe that would have been a

better idea. Well, this big one is, it

started off as, you know, in like Sydney three and it was, it was a city car. That was, what was called.

Yeah, it was a small City ideal for the city where as it's grown, and grown, and grown, and grown.

So, it's bigger than most of the cords everywhere now.

Yeah. So, Just occurred to me, I

wondered if that would have been an option as far as my little the acceptance might not have been quite as disappointing.

Us suppose C ford kind of ended the Falcon with the Falcon like they didn't try to bring in a u.s. tourists to Value to

Falcon. Hell I thought I did right by

that badge. You know, I thought that they

retired that badge, I mean it was a bit lame hearted in the end how they're going to just let it die.

But at least, I'm at least they kind of, you know, Finished it with with that. Yes, he did.

You do. That is an example.

Maybe though makes the Holden decision to call the Insignia Commodore even more ridiculous, doesn't it?

I mean, the thought of them trying to budget or has as a falcon here which and that's basically exactly what role did.

Yeah. And it did not go.

Well yeah, Ford went after another model.

They decide to bring in the Mustangs and change that over.

Yeah you know holding could have done something similar, they could have left. General Motors as a whole was

just trying to give you the holding brand that they were just like, well, I think we're going to solve like they got rid of Pontiac, like, they get rid of all these other companies and satin and all that bill. Just like, you know, let's just

give her a hug as well. And the way they did it, and I

still haven't forgiven GM for what they've done.

Was just, it was the biggest slap in the face that Australians because of your holding was the alcohol, the alcohol. Essentially, it was hell.

It was, it was the biggest, you know, people think hot like Americans think of Australia because I think hold.

And first of all, you know, and it's we for me, it was disgusting, hit what they did, they took the government's money, when they go in the government, our government paid out, you know, they took it and then they didn't give it back and then they kind of just said no you guys can in production now and for me that was the one of the worst things up.

It's unforgivable. What generated like it's

actually unforgivable, but they kind of so be they just don't get well many ads. I think you underestimate the

significance of that and What the US means to Australia's that that money that they took GM transferred, it as part of the orcas deal to build our submarines and and the US and Australian Alliance is really strong and they will never screw us over if you if people don't know that yet.

So yeah I think I know but I completely agree like the way what Holden did also, what GM did.

And it seems to be a common theme with the way they acquire companies and then they just get rid of them.

Them in such a Cutthroat way and then never transparent about it either. Yeah, they just they bastardize

the company and then they flick it off.

Okay. She's not.

Isn't that like what Ford kind of did with like jagan that they just grabbed all the bits and pieces and then just flip them away. You say that, but also Ford

really kind of improved Jag and made their cars actually reliable to twist to an extent. All right.

A lot of people from that era would like them.

One. Day our Jag, your other.

Yeah. What they make it Monday as look

like Jags? Yeah well I mean but The thing,

I like the Russians the cause of the quality got better and then people saw was just a rebadged one day, which is technically was did. Didn't it?

At least they least year? They got something from it.

You know, I jack still exists, Jack still exists?

Correct? Yeah, that's I think one of the

most important things when I still modest position whereas a lot of GM's for the companies announced soon with the fishes unfortunately. Yeah like I'm shooting for Words

horn head like they did screw up.

Many things but but in terms of keeping those companies running, they kind of did was holding kind of just like said also jmock. I just spent, you know, a few

guys, sad when some such an important company in the history and the fact that that just went goodbye in such a, how do you have any say, kind of a big F you?

So I was just like, very much did the same with Hall and they did exactly what they did. Thank ya.

Let's mention opal in Australia to.

Okay. Yeah, they came and went.

What am I dealerships signed on for opal?

And they didn't have the showroom finished by the time.

It was a cool and I still actually had some South yarra opal car stickers, window sticker system, which what they might be worth a lot of money. I doubt it.

But but yeah, that was a, that was a debacle, you know?

They Literally it sold literally a handful of cars and yet not to handbook gone. But yeah, it was got that was a

complete should show. They were, they were trying to

sell cars and they did the German exchange program where you could, you could exchange your car and drive their car for like the whole week or something.

And they'll be like, you know, what do you think?

And I just I just think they had no idea what they were doing.

Like they they they came into a market that was already crowded.

Their pricing was all over the place, you know, like this and I'll be bringing back a friend the Astra Yes, they brought the Astra back, but, you know, it was kind of like, you know, what have they got to? What are they offering this

Market that that skoda, it doesn't that Honda doesn't know and they weren't offering anything.

And they just kind of like, well, we're here for that dot even lasted a year. They lost a year.

No notnot too long. Especially especially when will

the old ABS 1280? 18 months was David.

No, I don't know, nothing. Ah, You get the opal service.

Cool. Well he was a thing it was

holding and everybody was getting their car service.

That then then Opals were getting service that Holden.

Now where do you take your car to hold it because it exists what I call it the spell. Try and special vehicles or what

is it is V that they do them to do ramp?

Yeah, they are, they operating out of the holding deal is now as well, or the X Holden dealers.

Well, whistling around that the they were selling Rams at the footscray. Hold on dealership, I'm aware of

that. Yeah, that they are but they

branded Ram because there's no hole dealerships.

Yeah. I mean it's might be the same

real estate. It'll be different.

Current different renter. I'm sure you've seen Ram branded

dealerships now. Yeah.

But what is this cool cars? But if you want a V8 you know

someplace to be sorry David using I was just going to say one of the key things to this whole discussion I think is what you said a minute ago about the market.

I mean we have such a crowded market and more and more Defectors coming in. I think I saw the other day.

I say it's coming back again. Yeah, for another girl mean, how

many obscure brands do you need taking an even smaller, slice of what's essentially the same pie? You know, like there's so many

Brands sale so Cooper dealership and then I drove past and It is now A Renault and and they can't, they have the space with Great Wall such such have a will head out and I'm like, well that's that's kind of that's a bit of a warning sign, you know?

Yep. Yeah, I like visiting dealership

a while ago and the people it was a Ford dealership and they said 70% was it was a 70%, I think they said of their of their sales are Ranger, you know?

Like that's the only car really that they sell the other 30% is Everest. 2% Mustang yes barely any Mustangs as well.

I guess as far as much as they like to think that they're selling a lot of Mustangs, the numbers.

I think last time I checked it was only selling less than 100 a month. Nothing available.

It will be available, is this? Yeah and and this is the thing,

and I think that they are learned that, you know, Ford Ford in compared to GM Ford is definitely doing things and they are thinking about their business in the long term.

We even with the E Mustang in the lightning Newton.

Whatever like the Ford F-150 Lightning, they reckon they've got nearly 170,000 reservations on them already.

How many years will it take them to supply their opening two or three new gig of factories and Battery plants?

And they're investing quite a significant amount of money to be sort of, you know, be on be on Trend.

But at the same time, really sort of make the most of the big us Grant Offer to people purchasing electric vehicles or and obviously, you know, they for the sustainability of the future business. So I think Ford is doing a

couple of things and they're doing them, right?

And they've got the cars already and the deliveries will be happening. Soon, GM on the other hand as

said they're going to have 25 or models or something like that by 2023, and we have not seen a single one yet.

So it would be interesting to see and I don't think Ford will make the same sort of rash decisions, as I mean, for has called models, like Focus models Fiesta models.

Yeah, Mondeo they've done. They've called quite a few

models as well. But I think they're still

keeping something for the traditional, you know, customers. So yeah, we're as GM just

Cutthroat approach and I don't know if that's really sustainable. In term as firing.

What's your opinion on another big American company?

Dodge. Then considering you go to their

dealerships and it's what Dodge Jeep Chrysler Fiat Alpha.

Yes, let's left it. Crosses pulled out of our

Market. That was a loss of those like

those. Yeah.

That's right. So they pulled out.

Look the truth is if you want to buy a Dodge, you buy from somewhere in Queensland where they convert the charges on the challenge is over, that's the only one worth buying Again, they're well over six figures. Yeah, I'll take it alone.

Scotty sell some drugs or something.

You heard it here. First, very hustles on,

and my entire paycheck. Very straight forward straight

to that car but yeah it'd be nice and unique you know something like purple and Ice charger and purple something here boy. Do they sound good?

Heard one the other day going past or with the supercharger just like that.

And that's why that's why do you know?

And Around the other guys, Dodge Chrysler Jeep.

They know that they're not gonna sell any cars because, you know, you can try proper Dodgers if they want.

So, you know, this guy slowly eek as American as same time.

I know, if I don't know, selling particularly good cars, at least for us the one car that good thing, that's always the 300-seat was great. While it lasted, you know, it's

kind of, you know, gone, I don't mind the, I think they've gone for the good side here in the market, with the Grand Cherokee, especially the SRT. Version basically, what a lot of

those I think I've done while there because it because it's an affordable alternative to, let's say, a Mercedes AMG wagon and and stuff like that. And the performance is there to

back it up. Exactly.

It's got respectable for hormones and I think quite a few parents dropping their kids off. In those saying, I want a lot

mate of mine. Had one, he bought it for bought

it secondhand, he paid 70 grand for any sort of 80 during hope.

So he got it. Got his money out of it and he's

like, oh yeah, and he's like, look, it was fun.

He's like it was hilariously bad on fuel, but is like this at the point where you buy in SRT8 Jeep, just to just to be adjusted. Just you might have a smile on

your face while you're driving. I've got my dad's work had known

as well. Here's one had some deliciously.

Listen, kosher VIN numbers. When it got stolen, he couldn't

report to the police for some reason.

That's really unfair isn't when you, when you Was someone can't get stolen. Yeah, what's happening with the

world? Well, I'll go on to Scotty.

The skyline is no longer a Skyline.

It is like a crossover thing and it's just like, yeah, it's dead.

Yeah, they've killed died. Quite a while ago, I feel.

Yeah, what about that? This and CEO, dude.

The Mexican. Oh my gosh, Carlos Carlos, and

his Escape out of Japan. Man or whatever the hell he did.

So further information says he was being set up by the Japanese individual like you know exactly what that Yakuza.

Yeah. Well because he's also kind of

said some things and wasn't maybe he was also being done dirty of it. So I feel this, there is two

sides to every story. I mean, I like not that.

I'm saying, obviously if you're running away before you court trial, everything else, it was he seems more like you're guilty but this context to that as well where you want a situation.

And the legal system is heavily weighed in favor of the authority. They've got a 99.8 percent

conviction rate or something. Well he's here and the more that

you get information about because fairly closed system is again, not everything that happens is above board and they don't have the same. Yes, sense of process that

Western countries do. So here's choice of making a run

for it, considering that was what he's up against, you know, may not entirely sure. Cream that he was definitely in

the wrong. You know, I'm all about

automatic more. So let's go.

We shall see. All right, I'll move along so I

can get my car quiz. As you guys know and love it is

the the ultimate quiz that that we that we do every Tuesday night, you know, the rules 10 questions.

Bonus questions, buzzing with your name.

Let's go question. 1 in 1959. Volvo invented the three-point

seatbelt. Why did they make it tight and

firm? Ellen.

Thank you, is more important than, you know, making money.

Absolutely Alton. That is correct.

That is correct. Well, not all.

Nineties in the nineties. They made a HSV.

Something Alan, if some of Common Era.

Yeah. David David.

Carew was a joker. They go.

They did. Okay.

I'm just trying to think it was Bench something else but no, no, man, I'll take Point that's fine.

They are very rare probably a few months ago.

The fakery the ultimate stick a special my career question 3.

How many Focus RS models have their being?

How many generations human generations of Focus RS?

Have there been Scott got, is it for Alan?

Being correct? Five, incorrect on it.

David, David three. There has been three models of

RS. Yeah, there was Mark, we never

got the first one. We got the second and third

bonus, question in the margin. Mark 3, which was the last one

to be released the show. You had a rare model towards the

end of its run. What was it called, David?

David was at the 180 incorrect. Okay, so it was the last Focus.

All right, so they sold there was a limit which he's okay.

Oh, I always give it away. I do it because I was trying to

buy one is the artist limited-edition.

Limited-edition is correct. That one.

Well, that's Honda announced Christopher 102 the price of the new Civic in Australia. What is the exact price?

Thank you very much. David got in their job, David.

Forty-seven thousand two hundred dollars drive away.

Well, the way no more to pay mr. With the principal done score,

check David 3lm to Scotty and Rosie at the school.

Question 5, what Kyra? My limited to a run of 250

units, never sold here in Australia, but is a well-known version of this car, this model was based off at standard sibling. However, receiving the larger V6

engine or a larger B6 engine, all the drive, a six-speed gearbox. It featured a fully full body

kit and wider fenders. Has to make it essentially, a

golf R32 fit underneath it, David David, the Renault Clio B6 incorrect, the most said that because that's the model that was based on was known as a golfing drag.

What car am I? Hmm.

Scott, Scott never came with the V6 of it, was it?

That Scirocco r, no incorrect, good, good.

Just I could guess tells us his rocker.

Well they're gonna have to think early 2000s VW all right David oh yeah I don't get the point was the per set incorrect there's only and rizla. Kansas 10 incorrect, it used the

author interpreting. Yeah but it was in a different

model of their lineup. Think think early 2000?

What? What?

What, cause were very similar size to to the to the gulf are not Bora. Are you close?

It was the beetle. They did a beetle RSI all

really. Which was I go look at.

It was like it was all over the Press of like this is the coolest the coolest beetle ever. Questioned sticks, right?

Yes. Question 6 in what year did the

original type 1 VW, Beetle officially in production.

End production in production. I'm guessing Brazil, it was in

Brazil. Yeah.

A safety standards on really wasn't as advanced as it was.

Let's put it that way. The reason why the car kept

selling for so long. I'll guess David.

David 2006 incorrect. Oh, I love 2007 incorrect gonna

try mr. Reese and mr.

Scotty, give us a 10 incorrect. Hmm.

Early 2009, 2003 2003. The officially questions have

also GTI are appeared on which chassis code of the Pulsar range. Scott, it's gone. and if

15-point Corral in 14 and 14 is I wish I said 14, 15 The McLaren F1 incorrect down so I can we had the question

properly. Now math.

Yes it is a I'll put the I'll give you guys a Hint. It is Japanese.

Okay, the little bit tricky question, look alive, yeah.

Is it the risk is it though? A 86 tuned engine.

That taco me, put into his car. One blue, I would say possibly

but it wasn't that engine. Unfortunately, it was a Toyota.

Incorrect incorrect. Okay no man Scotty it's up to

you. Stephanie's Lotus down thinking

of Toyota think of high revving engines but now all I've got in my head is the like the that seems to 3sg your beams murder.

Yeah. You looked it was a good guess

it was the missing poll surveys that are and one out of a 1.6.

L SR 16, It produced 147 kilowatts, which is quite a lot of power bonus question. Does this impulsive?

He's at our in one was built as a homologation special so we could be put up against what car in particular of its time.

David David wasn't the language of the integral.

I wasn't Incorrect, you're going to kick yourself when you when you find out what color it is. Elam.

I want to say Honda it is a Honda yep.

Oh is a type of Hunter, it is a type of but I need the exact type of Honestly, Integra incorrect.

No, okay, it's gonna be the Civic Type R EK Civic.

Type R is what it was. That's easy answer.

Yeah, I was incorrect. Sorry.

Sorry, buddy. I really am.

Not quite sure was. It was pre Chris.

Bengal know. He was drinkers Bangles era.

He signed off on this person's design.

It's quite a thing. This is quite a famous designer.

Okay. Okay, you got it, you guys give

up on the some German guy. Some German guy is incorrect

eylem. I can't give you the Sam J.

Ervin guys, say it's the same Paul incorrect.

Angry sea, grasping at straws to give up, guys.

Yeah, yeah. Fisca mr.

Fiscal. Who do when our fiscal

Automotive? Yes, I am.

Question 10 mr. Fisk.

He also designed other luxury cars for for many Brands what English brand. Did he design cars for our Olive

Bentley incorrect? Yeah, visca Lotus incorrect.

David. David, the TVR it isn't.

TV are. Okay.

My guess is going to be Jag incorrect.

It was us to Martin was that's a bonus question.

What two models did he design for Aston Martin?

I'll give you a point for each show.

Kody score check is David. Three Allen three Scotty on

what. It's got a you get both right?

You can you can equip the score Palm is Eros is on zero, but Alum dropped in there first. Um, what do you mean for when I

push incorrect? Okay, you got what?

You got, one more guest Advantage, the V8 Vantage, all I'll pay that. Yes, David DB9, DB9 is

absolutely correct. He does on the DVI.

Any designed to be a bondage, that means we've got a tie on Alum and Davon for Scotty and R is.

Unfortunately, you guys Not winning talking is gentlemen.

We have a lever try David. I'm happy living at.

I, thank you. All right.

Well, that's not how the show works.

Sometimes has a loser. You don't get to decide.

I think as a loser. Only one

was available with another sized engine, what size engine would that be in liters, please? Alice incorrect era, they would

princess diamond 1.8 incorrect. It was 1.5 next question.

Subaru WRX, STI, the current shape which will be outgoing show. I should, I should I should

mention it's because it is a 2.5 liter engine in Australia.

And everywhere else in the world except for one calorie Alum.

A silver to Toledo in Japan? It is a to live in Japan.

Well, done. Hmm, you have a clear.

Inner sitting, ask him about a car that he actually owns but they're absolutely fine. it's just finished, doesn't go

nine thousand one hundred dollars for For broken by Broken, by 50, 70 cc bike, as that crazy world because I haven't broken one in the garage.

So I know where that's going to end up very similar.

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Volvo S60

Saab 900

Honda Civic

Honda NSX

Toyota Prius

Toyota MR2

Maserati Quattroporte

Honda Prelude

Acura Integra

Ford Explorer

Ford Falcon

Ford Mustang

Opel Astra

Ford Ranger

Ford F-150 Lightning

Jeep Grand Cherokee

Nissan Skyline

Renault Clio

R32 Golf R32

Volkswagen Scirocco

Volkswagen Bora

Volkswagen Beetle

Nissan Pulsar

Volkswagen Gti

Mclaren F1

Aston Martin DB9

Aston Martin V8 Vantage

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