Car Talk & Classic Values
About this episode
The episode dives into the evolution of used car value tracking, highlighting the shift from printed guides like the NADA and Kelley Blue Book to digital platforms. The hosts share humorous anecdotes and personal experiences with these guides, while also discussing recent automotive recalls, including BMW and Ford issues. The show features a lively segment on sold car prices, where the hosts guess the sale prices of classic cars, revealing surprising market trends. Auto history and upcoming racing events are also covered, creating a well-rounded automotive discussion.
The century-long story of how we value cars has dramatically shifted from dog-eared pages to digital databases. Before the internet, car dealers, buyers, and even divorce courts relied on physical booklets like Kelly Blue Book and NADA guides to determine fair market prices. These guides weren't just reference materials—they were essential tools that brought transparency to a notoriously opaque market.
NADA began tracking vehicle values in 1922, creating a standardized system that expanded far beyond dealership lots. During World War II, as manufacturing materials were diverted to the war effort, these guides became crucial in preventing price gouging when used car demand skyrocketed. Even government assistance programs consulted these books when determining eligibility, considering vehicle value as part of an applicant's assets.
The digital revolution changed everything. What started with experimental floppy disks and CD-ROMs in the 1990s evolved into sophisticated online platforms delivering real-time valuations based on multiple factors. By 2017, the last physical guides rolled off the presses, marking the end of an era but the beginning of a more efficient system for everyone involved in buying and selling vehicles.
This week's episode also covers significant recalls, including a serious Ford steering column defect affecting over 115,000 vehicles. We play our popular "Guess the Sold Price" game with classics like a 1967 Mustang convertible and a stunning 1932 Ford Roadster with flames. Plus, we honor Tsutumo Tom Matano, the visionary designer of the Mazda MX-5 Miata who recently passed away at 78.
Whether you're a car enthusiast, industry professional, or simply curious about automotive history, this episode offers fascinating insights into how technology continues to transform the way we value, buy, and sell vehicles. Subscribe now and join our community of car lovers who appreciate both automotive heritage and innovation.
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Kelly Blue Book
"You know about Kelly Blue book. N-A-D-A."
Kelly Blue Book is a guide that helps you find out how much a used car is worth. It's like a price list for cars that people can check before buying or selling.
Kelly Blue Book is a trusted resource for determining the market value of used cars. It provides pricing information based on various factors, including the car's make, model, year, and condition.
NADA
"N-A-D-A."
NADA is an organization that helps car dealers and buyers figure out how much cars are worth. They provide pricing information just like Kelly Blue Book.
NADA stands for the National Automobile Dealers Association, which also provides vehicle pricing and valuation information similar to Kelly Blue Book. It is a key resource for both dealers and consumers in the automotive market.
Packard Clipper
"Estimates for everything from a 41 Packard Clipper to a 65 Ford Country Square to a 97 Pontiac Sunfire could be found in those print products."
The Packard Clipper is a classic car from the 1940s that was known for being luxurious and stylish.
The Packard Clipper was a luxury automobile produced by Packard from 1941 to 1957, known for its elegant design and powerful performance.
Ford Country
"... for everything from a 41 Packard Clipper to a 65 Ford Country Square to a 97 Pontiac Sunfire could be found in ..."
Pontiac Sunfire
"to a 97 Pontiac Sunfire could be found in those print products."
The Pontiac Sunfire is a small car from the late 1990s that was popular for being affordable and having a sporty look.
The Pontiac Sunfire was a compact car produced by Pontiac from 1995 to 2005, known for its sporty design and affordability.
BMW
"...BMW, recalling 196,000 vehicles in the US..."
BMW is a well-known car brand from Germany that makes luxury cars and sports cars.
BMW is a German automotive brand known for its luxury vehicles and performance-oriented cars.
engine starter relay
"...as the engine starter relay may corrode,..."
The engine starter relay is a part that helps start the car's engine by sending power to the starter motor when you turn the key.
The engine starter relay is an electrical component that helps to start the engine by controlling the flow of electricity to the starter motor.
short circuit
"...leading to overheating in short circuit,..."
A short circuit is when electricity flows where it shouldn't, which can cause problems like fires.
A short circuit occurs when electrical current flows along an unintended path, which can cause damage or fire hazards.
overheating
"...leading to overheating in short circuit,..."
Overheating happens when the engine gets too hot, which can be harmful and cause problems.
Overheating refers to a condition where the engine temperature exceeds safe operating limits, potentially causing damage.
fire risk
"...increasing the risk of a fire."
Fire risk means there's a chance that something could catch fire, which is dangerous.
Fire risk refers to the potential for a fire to occur due to faulty components or conditions in a vehicle.
BMW 235
"2022 BMW 235 vehicles. The Supra has been built by Toyota"
The BMW 235 is a small luxury car that looks sporty and has nice features. It's designed for people who want a fun driving experience.
The BMW 235 is a compact luxury coupe that offers a blend of performance and comfort, featuring a sporty design and advanced technology.
Toyota Supra
"The Supra has been built by Toyota in a collaboration with BMW, which includes a shared platform."
The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love for its speed and handling. It's popular among car enthusiasts.
The Toyota Supra is a high-performance sports car known for its powerful engines and agile handling, often associated with Japanese tuning culture.
steering column defect
"...recalling 115,539 point two vehicles in the US, due to a defect that could cause the steering columns"
A steering column defect is a problem with the part of the car that helps you steer. If it's not working right, it can make driving dangerous.
A steering column defect refers to issues within the steering mechanism that can affect a vehicle's handling and safety, potentially leading to loss of steering control.
steering control
"The issue can potentially lead to a loss of steering control."
Steering control is how well you can turn the steering wheel to make the car go where you want. If you lose control, it can be very dangerous.
Steering control refers to the driver's ability to guide the vehicle accurately. Loss of steering control can lead to dangerous situations, particularly at high speeds.
Ford F450
"...2020 through 2021. It includes the F250, F350 and F450 vehicles. Dealers will inspect and repair or repl..."
The Ford F-450 is a really big truck that can pull heavy loads, making it useful for work. If you're thinking about buying a 2020 or 2021 model, it's a good idea to check if there are any repairs needed for its towing system.
The Ford F-450 is a heavy-duty pickup truck designed for extreme towing and hauling capabilities, often used in commercial applications. It is part of the F-Series lineup, which is known for its durability and performance. The 2020-2021 models may have specific recalls or repairs related to their towing systems, so potential buyers should check for any outstanding issues.
Ford F350
"...el years 2020 through 2021. It includes the F250, F350 and F450 vehicles. Dealers will inspect and repai..."
Ford F250
"It includes the F250, F350 and F450 vehicles."
The Ford F250 is a strong truck that can carry heavy loads and is often used for work or towing trailers.
The Ford F250 is a heavy-duty pickup truck known for its towing capacity and ruggedness, making it popular for both work and recreational use.
mobile service
"They've got a mobile thing through Ford."
Mobile service means that car repairs or maintenance can be done at your home instead of having to go to a garage.
Mobile service refers to automotive services provided at a customer's location rather than at a dealership, including oil changes and repairs.
recalls
"I wonder if they could do recalls through there."
Recalls happen when a car company finds a problem with their cars that could be dangerous, and they fix it for free.
Recalls are issued by manufacturers when a vehicle has a safety defect or does not comply with safety standards, requiring repairs or replacements.
cloud software update
"They're going to update the software via the cloud."
Cloud software updates let car companies fix or improve the software in your car using the internet, so you don't have to go to the shop.
Cloud software updates allow manufacturers to remotely update a vehicle's software over the internet, improving functionality or fixing issues without a physical visit to a dealership.
fuel tank recall
"Other recalls replacement fuel tank may leak during a roll over crash."
A fuel tank recall means the car company found a problem with the fuel tank that could cause leaks, and they will fix it for free.
A fuel tank recall occurs when a manufacturer identifies a defect in the fuel tank that could lead to leaks or other safety issues, prompting a replacement or repair.
Cadillac Escalade
"...ticed that I said replacement fuel tank. Cadillac Escalade. Oh, Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon 2021 through the 2024..."
The Cadillac Escalade is a big, fancy SUV that is very comfortable and has a lot of nice features. It's popular among people who want a luxurious ride and has new technology in the 2021 to 2024 models.
The Cadillac Escalade is a full-size luxury SUV known for its spacious interior and premium features. It has become a status symbol since its introduction in the late 1990s, often discussed for its comfort, technology, and powerful performance. The 2021-2024 models are notable for their advanced safety and entertainment systems.
GMC Yukon
"Cadillac Escalade. Oh, Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon 2021 through the 2024 model years. There's that."
The GMC Yukon is a large SUV that has a lot of room inside for families and their stuff. The newer models from 2021 to 2024 have some cool technology and safety features.
The GMC Yukon is a full-size SUV known for its spacious interior and strong towing capabilities. It shares many components with the Cadillac Escalade and Chevrolet Tahoe, making it a versatile choice for families and those needing extra cargo space. The 2021-2024 models are highlighted for their modern technology and safety features.
Mini Cooper
"Damaged seat belt retractor for a retractor for a bunch of BMWs and mini-coopers 25 and 26."
The Mini Cooper is a small and stylish car that is fun to drive and easy to park, making it popular in cities.
The Mini Cooper is a compact car known for its distinctive design and agile handling, appealing to those looking for a fun and stylish vehicle.
Hyundai Palisade
"Hyundai Palisade seat belt buckles may fail."
The Hyundai Palisade is a medium-sized SUV that has a lot of room for passengers and cargo, making it great for families.
The Hyundai Palisade is a midsize SUV that offers a spacious interior, advanced safety features, and a comfortable ride, making it a strong competitor in its class.
GMC Sierra
"Chevy and GMC Silverado and Sierra 2026."
The GMC Sierra is another big truck that can handle tough jobs and has lots of modern features.
The GMC Sierra is a full-size pickup truck similar to the Chevy Silverado, offering a range of powerful engines and advanced technology features.
Gm Sierra
"...t may not illuminate. Chevy and GMC Silverado and Sierra 2026. Driver and passenger door trim pieces may d..."
Gmc Silverado
"Chevy and GMC Silverado and Sierra 2026."
The Chevy Silverado is a big truck that can carry heavy loads and is built to last.
The Chevy Silverado is a full-size pickup truck known for its durability, towing capacity, and various configurations to suit different needs.
Chevrolet Silverado
"...y control light may not illuminate. Chevy and GMC Silverado and Sierra 2026. Driver and passenger door trim p..."
Jeep Grand
"Driver and passenger door trim pieces may detach. Jeep Grand Wagon Air and Wagon Air 22 to 25. Side curtain ai..."
Lucid Air
"...ger door trim pieces may detach. Jeep Grand Wagon Air and Wagon Air 22 to 25. Side curtain airbag and f..."
Ram 3500
"Pow! Ram 1500, 2500, 3500 for the 2018 model year. And the Alpha Romeo Juli..."
The Ram 3500 is a big truck that can carry and tow a lot of weight, making it great for work or hauling things. The 2018 version has some new features that make it more comfortable and easier to use.
The Ram 3500 is a heavy-duty pickup truck known for its impressive towing capacity and robust performance. It is often discussed for its capabilities in both work and recreational settings, making it a favorite among truck enthusiasts and those needing a reliable workhorse. The 2018 model year introduced several enhancements in technology and comfort.
Ford Mustang
"Here's the first car up this morning. 1967 Ford Mustang convertible. Red in color."
The Ford Mustang is a famous sports car that first came out in the 1960s. The 1967 convertible version is loved for its cool look and speed, and many people enjoy driving or collecting them.
The Ford Mustang is an iconic American muscle car that debuted in 1964, known for its powerful performance and distinctive style. The 1967 Mustang convertible is particularly significant due to its classic design and cultural impact, often representing freedom and the open road. It remains a popular choice among car enthusiasts and collectors.
Art Grindel Dodge
"...Owned a car dealership. Art Grindel Dodge."
Art Grindel Dodge is a place where people can buy Dodge cars. They might sell both new and used cars and help with car repairs.
Art Grindel Dodge refers to a car dealership that likely specializes in selling Dodge vehicles. Dealerships like this often offer new and used cars, as well as services related to vehicle maintenance.
Chevrolet Corvette
"Okay. The next car up is in 1954 Chevrolet Corvette. Now, this is the first year for the Corvette 54."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known sports car that started being made in the early 1950s. The 1954 model is important because it helped keep the Corvette going and is famous for being fast and stylish.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a legendary sports car that first hit the market in 1953, with the 1954 model being notable as it marked the continuation of its production. Known for its sleek design and high performance, the Corvette has become a symbol of American automotive engineering. It is often discussed for its racing heritage and influence on sports car design.
Chevrolet Camaro
"Next up. The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro. Now, that's yours."
The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular sports car that came out in the late 1960s to compete with the Ford Mustang. The 1969 version is especially loved for its cool design and powerful engine.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a classic American muscle car that was first introduced in 1966 as a response to the Ford Mustang. The 1969 model is particularly celebrated for its aggressive styling and performance options, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts. It represents the peak of the muscle car era in the late 1960s.
Z28
"...You think it's a real Z28? I don't think so."
The Z28 is a special version of the Chevrolet Camaro that is built for better performance. It usually has a stronger engine and sportier features compared to the regular models.
The Z28 is a performance package for the Chevrolet Camaro that was designed for racing and high-performance driving. It typically includes a more powerful engine, upgraded suspension, and distinctive styling features.
flathead V8
"...With a flathead V8 in it."
A flathead V8 is a type of engine that has its valves located flat in the engine block, which was common in older cars. It's known for being easy to work on and was popular in classic cars.
The flathead V8 is an engine design that was popular in the early to mid-20th century, known for its simple construction and ease of modification. It was widely used in Ford vehicles, especially in the 1930s.
Mazda Miata
"It's like the Miata. That would..."
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small sports car that is very fun to drive. It's known for being light and having great handling, making it a favorite among car lovers.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a lightweight two-seat sports car known for its agile handling and fun driving experience. It's a popular choice among driving enthusiasts for its rear-wheel-drive layout and convertible option.
Hot Rod
"That would... That would be so much fun to take on the... Hot Rod. Hot Rod Tourer of Texas."
A Hot Rod is a car that has been changed to make it faster and look cooler, usually based on older American cars. People enjoy customizing them for racing and shows.
A Hot Rod is a modified car, typically an older American model, that has been enhanced for performance, speed, and style. Hot Rods often feature powerful engines and custom bodywork, making them popular in car culture and events.
Porsche Boxster
"Let's move on. A 2005 Porsche Boxster. Hmm."
The Porsche Boxster is a sporty car that has its engine in the middle, which helps it handle well on the road. The 2005 version is known for being fun to drive and a bit more affordable than other Porsche cars.
The Porsche Boxster is a mid-engine sports car that was introduced in 1996, known for its balance and handling. The 2005 model is part of the second generation, which offered improved performance and comfort features. It is often discussed for its driving experience and affordability compared to other Porsche models.
Jeep Wrangler
"Sorry. This one is a 87 Jeep Wrangler. This is our last one in the morning."
The Jeep Wrangler is a tough SUV that can go off-road easily, making it great for adventures. The 1987 version is important because it improved on earlier designs while still keeping its classic look.
The Jeep Wrangler is a compact SUV known for its off-road capabilities and rugged design, with a history dating back to the original Willys Jeep. The 1987 model represents a significant evolution in the Wrangler's design, combining classic features with modern comforts. It is often discussed for its adventurous spirit and ability to tackle challenging terrains.
IMSA Racing
"Impsa Racing is coming up October 11th. This can be a little ways off here, but it's the Petite Lamas and Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta at 12 noon."
IMSA Racing is a series of car races in North America where different types of sports cars compete against each other. It's known for long races that test both the cars and the drivers.
IMSA Racing refers to the International Motor Sports Association, which organizes sports car racing events in North America. It features various classes of cars, including prototypes and GT vehicles, competing in endurance races.
Petit Le Mans
"...but it's the Petite Lamas and Michelin Raceway Road Atlanta at 12 noon. Now, last week, the GTT."
Petit Le Mans is a long car race that lasts 10 hours, taking place at a racetrack in Georgia. Different types of sports cars compete in this exciting event.
Petit Le Mans is an endurance race held annually at Road Atlanta in Georgia, part of the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship. It typically features a mix of prototype and GT cars racing for a duration of 10 hours.
Mazda Mx5
"went on to design what would become the best-selling two-seat roadster in history. The Mazda MX-5 Miata that we reviewed this hour. The lightweight two-seater debuted in 1989 at the Chicago Auto Show. Matano had a hand in shaping many"
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small, two-seat sports car that's very popular because it's fun to drive and not too expensive. The RF version has a roof that can open and close, making it a bit different from the regular Miata.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a lightweight two-seat roadster that has gained a reputation as one of the best-selling sports cars in history since its debut in 1989. The Miata is celebrated for its fun driving experience, excellent handling, and affordability. The RF variant features a retractable hardtop, adding versatility to the classic design.
Jeep Gladiator
"...you brought to us. Stelonis has canceled the Jeep Gladiator 4xE amid an ongoing reassessment of its product p..."
The Jeep Gladiator is a truck that can also go off-road, which makes it special. It came back in 2020 after being gone for a while, and people like it for its cool look and ability to handle rough terrain.
The Jeep Gladiator is a midsize pickup truck that combines the off-road capabilities of the Jeep brand with the utility of a truck bed. It was reintroduced in 2020 after a long hiatus, appealing to both Jeep enthusiasts and those needing a versatile vehicle. Discussions often focus on its unique design and performance in off-road situations.
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