{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"CarCast+Edmunds -  Tesla sales pick up and negative equity on car loans continues to increase.","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/carcast-edmunds-tesla-sales-pick-up-and-negative-equity-on-car-loans-continues-to-increase","audioUrl":"https://pdrl.fm/b6740f/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/1385/injector.simplecastaudio.com/f087831d-3f1f-401d-a940-d781bc925bb0/episodes/e974cae9-6ef4-434b-956d-54ae3750f10a/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=f087831d-3f1f-401d-a940-d781bc925bb0&awEpisodeId=e974cae9-6ef4-434b-956d-54ae3750f10a&feed=SBbml57i","description":"Visit BioPro+ and save $100\nFollow @motorator \nFollow @weaveroncars\nFollow Bravago Beverages Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. 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