CarCast - Vintage Ferraris and Sammy Hagar’s car collection
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Hagerty
Hagerty is a company that helps people protect their special and old cars with insurance made just for those kinds of vehicles.
Car
Porsche 924
The Porsche 924 is a sports car made by Porsche that has its engine in the front and drives the rear wheels. It was a more affordable Porsche made in the late 1970s and 1980s.
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Porsche 924 Turbo
The Porsche 924 Turbo is a faster version of the 924 because it has a turbocharger, which helps the engine make more power.
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Porsche 944
The Porsche 944 Turbo is a sporty car with a turbocharger that makes the engine more powerful. It was made in the 1980s and is loved for how well it drives.
Car
Porsche 928
The Porsche 928 is a luxury sports car with a V8 engine in the front. It was made to be more comfortable and easier to drive than some other Porsche models.
Car
Porsche 968
The Porsche 968 is a sports car that came after the 944. It has its engine in the front and drives the rear wheels, with a four-cylinder engine that makes it fun to drive.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car with its engine placed behind the seats. It's been made for many years and is loved for how it drives.
Part
brake calipers
Brake calipers are parts that help stop the car by pressing brake pads onto a spinning disc. This makes the car slow down or stop safely.
Part
trans axles
A trans axle is a part that connects the engine to the wheels and helps the car move. It includes both the gears and the axle in one piece.
Part
long blocks
A long block is a bigger part of an engine that has more pieces put together, like the top parts of the engine. It's almost a full engine ready to use.
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short blocks
A short block is part of an engine that has the main pieces inside but is missing some parts on top. It's used when fixing or building engines.
Car
Lamborghini 400 GT
The Lamborghini 400 GT is an old but fancy sports car made in the 1960s. It has a powerful engine and looks very stylish.
Part
door handles
Door handles are what you grab to open a car door. For old or rare cars, these parts can be hard to find, so people sometimes make new ones using special machines or 3D printing.
Concept
3D printing
3D printing is a way to make real things from computer designs by building them layer by layer. People use it to make car parts that are hard to find, like old door handles.
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3D scanning
3D scanning means using special tools to make a computer picture of a real object, like a door handle. This helps make new parts that look just like the old ones.
Car
Tesla 3D Model
The Tesla Model 3 is a small electric car made by Tesla. It runs on batteries instead of gas and can drive a long way before needing to be charged.
Part
Billet
Billet is a solid piece of metal that people cut and shape to make strong car parts. It helps make parts that last a long time and fit well.
Car
Ferrari 400
The Ferrari 400 is a fancy sports car made by Ferrari with a big engine and seats for four people. It was made a long time ago and is known for being both fast and comfortable.
Car
Ferrari 512 BBi
The Ferrari 512 BBi is a fast sports car with the engine placed behind the seats. It uses fuel injection, which helps it run smoother and cleaner than older models.
Term
gated shifter
A gated shifter is a special kind of stick shift where the gear stick moves through a metal pattern with slots. This helps you feel exactly where each gear is, making it easier and more fun to change gears.
Term
12 Colombo motor
The 12 Colombo motor is a type of powerful engine with 12 cylinders made by Ferrari's engineer Colombo. It helps the car go very fast and is part of Ferrari's history.
Part
clutch
The clutch is a pedal that helps you change gears in a car by letting the engine and wheels connect or disconnect.
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power steering
Power steering is a feature that makes turning the steering wheel easier, so you don't have to use a lot of strength to steer the car.
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spark plugs
Spark plugs are small parts in a car's engine that help start it by making a tiny spark. This spark lights the fuel so the engine can run.
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buying fake parts
Sometimes people buy car parts that look real but are actually fake. These fake parts might not work well and can even be dangerous.
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eBay
eBay is a website where people buy and sell things, including car parts. Sometimes, parts bought there might not be real or good quality.
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turbo four cylinder
A turbo four cylinder engine is a small engine with four cylinders that uses a turbocharger to make the car more powerful. It helps the car go faster without needing a bigger engine.
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viscosity
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burnt oil smell
If the oil smells burnt, it means the engine might be too hot or the oil is old and needs changing.
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foam on the cap
If you see foam on the oil or coolant cap, it means something is wrong inside the engine, like the liquids mixing when they shouldn’t.
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engine sitting for a long time
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vermin damage
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Aaron, I know you're a Porsche guy and got a Porsche recently.
You've been following some of Magnus Walker's collection.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And Magnus is thinning out the herd.
Oh, really?
He's selling a whole bunch of his cars.
He's not selling everything, and people are getting all heated up about it.
What's happened?
What's going on?
Did he get in a fight with Porsche?
Is he sick?
I was like, no, man.
He just had a bunch of cars.
He can't drive them all.
Yeah, he had a bunch of cars.
He wants to change it up a little bit, and I don't know, maybe he wants to invest in
something different.
Maybe he wants to reduce the space, the Haggerty Builder, whatever his insurance
bill is.
Yeah.
Like, what is he doing?
Every time I see a post, he's painting another panel, or he's making all these little fun
cars.
But it's like, yeah, he seems to have a lot of very colorful cars right now.
Yeah.
So, and because he was into that urban outlaw thing, that he really kind of turned into
a brand, whether it was, I don't know how much he's created and how much of that term
was out there, but he's created into a brand, and I like Magnus a lot.
And so a lot of his cars are sort of personalized and modified in different ways and multiple
colors and wraps and stuff like that.
But then he's got some very good, clean, authentic stuff that's just great investment
cars.
And so I think he just wanted to change things up a little bit.
I know he spoke about it on a couple different shows and podcasts about, it's time for some
of those to move on, which, yeah, totally makes sense.
But yeah, if you're a Porsche guy and you've ever been to a shop or been admiring any of
his cars, look up that auction.
I'm trying to find out when it is.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's always a good way to open up capital.
I mean, Porsche is just the market doesn't seem to be slowing down every time I think,
oh, maybe I'll get an old 912.
I'm just like, what?
They're how much?
Yeah, doesn't even run.
That's 50 grand.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, it's just it's out of control.
Oh, I guess it's started.
Maybe it's an online auction.
It's RM Sotheby's and it says March 18th through the 25th.
So I think it starts today as we record this a couple days from now you're listening to this.
Let's see, we've got let's take a look at a few of these cars while we're here.
Back to Walker.
So 924 for 20 grand.
I'm not buying that.
It's junk.
You know what if a 924 turbo really clean?
Yeah, I mean, I get it.
You know, the 944s are starting to go up too.
You find a nice turbo example of that.
928 926.
So he's got he's got a 1989 24 turbo.
He's got an 04 911 GT3.
Wow.
I think that one's modified.
He's got a 95 968 a 66 911.
Looks like a pretty clean car.
Yeah, 78 928.
I don't think that's a 928 s.
He's got a couple of 928s.
Yeah, another 60s a 65 911 another 968.
So as the 968 is that's a continuation from the 944s, right?
So that's a that's a four cylinder still or is it a six cylinder?
Do you know much about those?
I don't.
A friend had one and brought it by once, but we didn't spend much
much time with it.
I guess it's a four cylinder.
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, three later, four cylinder.
OK, so so so the 968 is the four cylinder.
Yeah, because it still has the 944 kind of vibe.
A little bit of a 928 front end.
Yeah, it's kind of the refined version.
Like I always looked at it as like the 308, the 328 and you're like,
oh, 328 is like a little little nicer version of a 308.
You know, cool.
Yes, it is 944 turbo.
I like that this 924 turbo, the racing wide body, that's that's a neat one.
That's a cool car.
Wow, that's a cool car.
There's some good cars in there.
But I see why he's getting rid of so many of the other ones,
because it's like how many 924s are you going to drive?
Yeah, how many 968s are you going to drive?
How many 928s are you going to drive?
It's like, I don't know that the driving experience on those is that thrilling,
especially compared to the other stuff you have.
So is that all is that the stuff he's selling?
This is tons of stuff.
So if you guys go to the RMSU to listen or just type in Magnus Walker,
you know, Porsche auction, he's just got tons of memorabilia, spare parts,
holy, signage, wheels, tires, camshaft, shocks, steering wheels, cylinder heads,
I mean, just stop.
And and just you just scroll and scroll and scroll.
There's so much stuff, brake calipers.
My man, tons of seats.
Wow.
Trans axles, complete engines or at least almost.
Short blocks, long blocks, yeah.
Yeah, glass, you know, so like there's a lot of stuff here.
If you're just a Porsche fan and you've got cars that you're either restoring
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This is funny, so we're looking at this 9-11 door handles
and he's got six of these spare door handles from original cars.
Adam Corolla has a I think it's a sixty seven Lamborghini 400 GT
and and it was taken apart years ago before they were worth anything
and sat in a shop and the shop never did anything on it.
So we went, you know, a decade later, like we want everything back,
put it in a big trailer and we're going to bring it all back.
And we did that.
And by time, you know, Adam and one of his guys
like started picking through all of the parts, we realized stuff walked away.
Oh, man.
So we have we have a Lamborghini with no door handles.
Oh, gosh.
And and it's not like you can get you can't buy them.
Oh, sure. And here's the problem is.
If we had one door handle,
I can scan it, have it like a 3D print made, flipped,
see if that'll work and then maybe have one made, you know,
just maybe have one machined or something like that.
Yeah, there's no door handles on it.
And we don't have another one of those Lamborghinis anymore.
If anybody has a Lamborghini 400 GT,
maybe even a 350 GT, but probably a 400 GT.
If you have one or working on one or anything like that,
I'd love to borrow a door handle or at least a 3D file.
You know, you've got to take it off to get the 3D file
because there's an arm on the inside and it's a 2D file.
Yeah. If somebody has a 3D file, that'd be great.
If you don't, I'd love to borrow a door handle
so I can scan it and send it back to you.
Well, if you're going to borrow one, borrow both of them.
We get a 3D model of both of them.
You don't have to flip anything because there's a pin on the other one
that's not on the, you know, you never know.
It's Lamborghini.
You know, maybe the right one's longer.
You're right.
They may not be the same.
You know what might happen?
It's like one of them might have like a door lock in it.
And the other one doesn't have a door lock. Exactly. Yeah.
But if you send me pictures of both
and and we know for sure because I have to go back and look.
But I'm sure there's plenty of auctions where I could see the pictures.
But I don't recall them being different if there's any door lock.
I think it was like separate in the door.
But and if you scan them and like flipped it,
I think you can get it to work.
But a buddy of mine that's done 3D scanning and printing.
I did it on my 95 Ford Lightning.
You know, we did the side mirrors.
We did door handles.
We did a few pieces on it.
Then we machined them out of out of Billet and Cerroco to them.
So I got all that done and it's really, really nice.
But but he 3D printed, right?
It was like, let's keep it less expensive.
We'll do a 3D print out of plastic.
We'll put like whatever mechanism on that.
When we did a door handle on the Ford,
it has like the push button and it had like a mechanism on the backside.
So we were able to transfer some of that over.
But then we made our own buttons.
So it has a nice because on my truck, it's a cast.
Just like a crappy like pop metal, rough feeling door handle,
but with a plastic button for your thumb, right?
And so we made a nice billet piece with a billet button
that has a groove for your thumb and it feels much nicer in your hand.
The action is much smoother.
And to make that button slide in and out of the door handle into the door smooth.
He he 3D printed like
like a sleeve that it slides through again.
So it doesn't wobble around around anymore like the factory one did.
You know, so it's really, really nice.
You look at it and go, yeah, it doesn't look that much different
until you see them side by side.
And then when you put your hand on it, you're like, oh, man, this feels so much nicer.
The other one was like had a hard edge on the inside.
It was like kind of digs in your fingers like a sharp edge.
Yeah, you know, you don't realize how important this stuff is.
Right. I mean, like I think I think these younger generations now
are totally into and and exploit the experience.
Right. Like like we just grew up and it just was what it was.
But now they're like, oh, have you ever stacked, you know,
14 eggshells and cracked them between your hands?
You know, have you ever, you know, oh, peeling the foam or peeling the
the clear, the clear thing off your screen?
You know, it's like it's a whole process now, right?
Yeah, I think we're appreciating all these tactile things.
And speaking of which, yesterday I
I brought dad's 400 I Ferrari back to the warehouse
and picked and picked up his his his his his Boxer, his BB 512, his 512 BBI.
And and the 400 has these two fan switches at the top of the center dash.
And even my Ferrari guys, like, I don't remember what those are for.
You know, they have a fan mark.
I'm like, it's not the inside fans because that's this knob.
And so we're flicking the fan switches and I'm thinking, well,
maybe they're they're auxiliary fans in the front, but we don't hear a fan.
Come on, can't figure it out.
I got to just look at the manual, but I didn't.
But my point being is that the the fan switch,
there are these little paddle switches, right?
And they have a just a I think it's a two phase or three phase for off.
So so one, two, three.
And and they just have the best feeling like like they're so smooth.
Like they're beautifully greased.
Yeah, really, really good tolerance in there.
But but they have a slide and a click and they're but they're just buttery smooth.
And I had my friends in the car with me because I need another set of eyes
for the boxer because I don't want to catch on fire.
You never know a fuel line.
And and so I had an extra eyes with me and he restores airplanes and stuff.
And I said, check out the way these switches feel.
And he clicked them back and forth.
He goes, yeah, that's that's a nice switch.
You know, it's like, yeah, it's like you find the right
touch and tactile feel of something and it has become exciting.
You know what I mean?
It's it's like it's like, I got to say the 80s,
Ferraris, at least dads, the 400 and the 512 both have beautiful switches
and knobs and and and and the the equipment on the steering column.
You know, like when you turn on the headlights, it doesn't it doesn't
just flap all over the place like a lot of cars do now.
It's not chunky.
It's just a thin, hard and steel stem.
I mean, they're hard, like like there's something to them when you grab them.
They don't move other than intentionally rotating or lifting up.
But there's a level of precision that was in those instruments that was
really, really cool.
And I got to say everything, yeah, everything there feels very intentional
and very tactile and OK, it squeaks a little bit when you touch it.
Like if you touch the gauge cluster, it'll it'll creak a little bit
because it's, you know, it's sleeved in leather.
There's just leather oozing out of every orifice.
But yeah, it's it's just I really enjoy those cars for their tactile feel.
Of course, the gated the gated shifter.
I mean, third gear, it squeezes and anyone who's driven something
like this and understands what I'm saying right now, it squeezes into third.
It's like, first is a slam towards you.
Second is straight up the middle and then you pull it down into third
and you feel it squeeze through and then engage on the edge of that gate.
Man, I didn't know the shifter was like kind of in this little.
Yeah. Oh, it's perfect.
Yeah, it's not perfect.
You just drop down and it's right there.
Yeah, the shifter we're looking at the interior of the of the Ferrari 512
like a BBI and that the shifter isn't like in the center console.
It's like attached to the side of the center console.
It's in between the seat and the center console.
Yeah. So it's right at the edge.
It's right at the edge of your of your hip.
I mean, it's almost like you're you're drawing, you know, you're drawing from the hip.
Yeah, you just you just drop off the steering wheel.
And you know, the steering wheels have an angle to them.
I don't know what that angle is what's at 30 degrees or something.
It's kind of a strange angle.
So I tend to drive that car a little bit from the bottom of the steering wheel.
Yeah. So so it's almost like just a flick of the hand.
Yeah, you can see that here.
Actually, it's quite an extreme angle.
Yeah, it is. It's not a 45, though.
I'm curious what angle that is, if anybody knows.
But yeah, it's an interesting angle.
But but you because you're because you're driving with your thumbs up
and you want that's definitely a steering wheel that you want.
Thumbs up, thumbs out.
You don't want to curl your thumbs in there.
That thing will whip around on you.
But, you know, thumbs up and you just kind of flick your your fingers down
and it guides your hand right to that shifter.
But yeah, but that third gear squeeze, it's like it's literally if you pull,
it's a squeeze and then an engagement.
And it's just, oh, man, it's orgasmic.
It's just awesome.
You know, it's a cool car.
It really is looking at it again.
So I just met up with a friend of mine a little while ago
and he just recently bought one of these.
And he he he lost a bunch of cars in the Palisades fire.
Oh, it's been slowly getting some new cars.
Not necessarily the same ones, but yeah, but he's been getting some new cars.
And he got a 512.
Oh, good for him.
And he bought a Porsche 930. Oh, wow. OK.
Right, which is cool.
Do you take out the cars?
Yeah, but now that I'm looking at this, like this is a this is a funky,
cool car. It's underappreciated.
Oh, my God, I still think a really undervalued car.
Yeah, I think so, too.
It's it's it's kind of grossly undervalued.
I mean, but I get it.
I do get it.
It's it's a different experience.
Like I would love to drive a Testerosa,
although a Testerosa might have some of the same mannerisms,
but I would love to drive maybe a 550 or something.
You know, that's a traditional front engine, 12 Colombo motor, right?
And the 550 in comparison to this, because
this really does have a different balance.
It has a different handling, the feedback through the steering wheel,
because you don't have the weight over the axle.
You know, it has a very different performance to it.
And it's it's I think it's a little more it's brighter.
It's a little more abrupt.
It's a little brighter.
It I don't know the rear squats hard, you know, and and it's
when you when you accelerate because you got the weight in the back, you know,
it's just yeah, it's just a different car.
But it feels it feels like a weapon and it feels like your feet are laying over
the front axle, you just feel you feel in and on the car rather than behind
the hood like you do in a lot of Ferraris.
It's just it's just cool.
It's it's undervalued.
If you look at a 308, it's 100 grand, right?
Give or take.
And then a 328, a little bit more, right?
A little more frightened, 100 to 200 grand.
And then these five twelves are what they're 200 to 400.
Maybe yeah, maybe maybe around five.
Yeah. Yeah.
But they they seem to be fluctuating right along.
OK, but then the 288 GTO jumps to right now four million, five million dollars.
It was two and a half million for the longest time.
And now they're five million.
I don't get it. Why isn't the five twelve a million bucks?
Right. Like how come it isn't in the middle of a, you know,
somewhere between 328 and and it's not closing the gap on the 288 GTO
when this is a 12 cylinder car, right?
Yeah. Well, it's a flat 12.
So it's a flat 12 rather than a V12.
But it is a very different configuration.
I know, but it's badass because when you look at it from the back, it's huge.
It really is big. Yeah.
When you open that clamshell and you see that that big old V12 back there
and it's just set in there beautifully.
You got that would be a transaxle in that, right?
So you got a transaxle in the back and then you got the exhaust just coming off
the side all shortened right out the back.
I mean, it's it's it's cool, man.
But but servicing is is pretty ambitious.
So that's a last night when when I spoke to the guys,
we have to have a service that it's in need of a belt service.
So we're getting that done, providing dad's OK with the estimate.
But it's it's an engine out service just for a belt exchange.
And because it's a flat belt, it's not just an oval loop.
It's it's more of a, you know, right angle.
And it's a lot of work.
I think they can do a partial engine out.
He kept saying partial.
But for the most part, it's you're undoing everything
and pretty much taking the engine out.
It's easier if you just take the engine out all together.
So so we're going to check the water pump there, because it's in it's
in the front location and and and well, I don't mean we they and the you know,
the fuel lines and just make sure everything is where it should be.
There was a fuel line conversion done a while back where you use stainless lines
and they braze them together.
And that's not the way to do it.
And something that's concealed heat and close proximity to the headers.
And, you know, all that stuff has a point of failure in that brazing.
Anyway, so so I want to make sure this stuff is safe for dad.
If he doesn't mind me spending a little of his
well earned dollars for his own safety.
It's much appreciated.
I mean, I'm all the cars in his in his collection.
Right. So you brought up a good point.
So your dad's still busy as can be.
Yeah. And doesn't have time to give all the cars
as much as his attention as they require.
You've sort of taken on that role since you've moved out of Tahoe closer to
most of the cars. Yeah.
But your dad needs to sort of pick and choose and go, well, which cars are more
important to me? Which ones are worth, you know, more than just elbow grease?
Like which ones require a bunch of money invested into them?
And of all the cars in the collection, his 512 is arguably the most special
to him as a family.
Right. That is the one that, you know, it may not be the most valuable car
in the collection, but that's the one you'd want in your living room spinning
on a, you know, on a rotisserie going around in circles or not the rotisserie,
but spinning on like a display going, this is the car, right?
This is, you know, everything around us.
You know, my career is largely based on the success of this song and this car.
So it's very much so.
It's the one that you walk by that car and go, thank you, buddy.
Thank you.
Well, I think not only does what you see publicly, you know, reinforce that,
but the car has 67,000 miles on it.
I mean, dad drove that car and continues to drive that car.
You know, he can still get in and out of it.
The clutch is pretty forgiving.
It's a forgiving vehicle to use because he'll be 79 this year and he's very fit.
So it's something he can continue to continue to drive.
But the Daytona, which is my personal favorite in there, I love the 512,
but that Daytona excites me.
It really does.
And that thing's got a heavy clutch and no power steering.
It's hard to steer.
It's hard to drive.
It's very demanding.
It's got that mile long hood.
You sit low in the car so the hood is at your chest and it's a hard car to drive.
It really is.
You have to be very attentive and patient.
But, you know, like that car, he can't drive as easily and it doesn't hold the same experience for him.
You know, so a car like that, you know, of course, I'm more interested in
keeping that one as prime as all the others, but that car has been driven less and less over the years.
And so it's taken a bit more work, expensive work, to get it to a place where it's safe to drive.
And that's kind of how everything is in the collection.
Some of those, he let me replace the tires on the 400 and they were cracked and dry and old
because he doesn't think that way.
He doesn't think like you and I where, oh, you got to have all these tools and you got to have all these
cleaning products and you got to have the right cover and you got to have, you know,
everything serviced and, oh, these tires are already three years old.
We got to replace them because you need to, you need the freshest tires.
He doesn't think like that at all.
He's very conservative.
He's driving to the ground until it needs something and then fix it as it needs to be fixed.
He doesn't, I mean, I'm sure he does preventative maintenance.
I'm not going to speak for him on that, but it's like, you know, he's like,
I don't, I don't, we don't need to put tires in that right now because I'm not driving it.
It's like, yeah, but when you want to drive it, you will have to get tires and they're not easy to
get, you know, that those TX tires or I want to say TRX.
I'm all screwed up now, but those tires, I'm told Michelin only makes them in batches
and they're hard to get and they're very expensive and they're really weird sizes.
And so when you kind of have an opportunity to get them when they're kind of fresh
and not back inventory, you know, you should.
So I finally, I finally sent him enough pictures that he went, okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, at least they're not super expensive compared to, you know, like when you're going,
hey dad, we need tires on this car.
We need engine out service on this car.
Let's do the tires this month.
Maybe we'll do something later on.
I'm one of those people that like to just hit it, just hit one after the other,
just get them all up to par so that they're all ready.
That's my goal.
And he's like, nah, nah, nah, slow down, kiddo.
Yeah, so at this place, I heard about some of the most expensive tires I've heard of,
which is on the Lamborghini LM002.
Oh, the truck.
Yeah, the crazy SUV.
He said to a tune of about 40 grand for four tires.
I've never heard of that.
Does he have one of those?
No, dad doesn't, but there's one at the shop.
And when we were talking about tire costs, he's like, oh, they get more than that.
This is about the peak to the peak of what we can do here.
And I'm going, holy cow.
It seems like you could hire a company to make a tire for less money than that.
But that's what they are, I guess they're specially made because it's heavy
and because it has certain performance standards and weight standards and all these things.
It's a very unique specialized tire.
I'm sure we're going to hear from some people, but that's just what I was told folks.
But it's, yeah, yeah.
I know on some of the race cars, when Adam started going out to Monterey,
we were bringing cars out there 15 plus years ago, if I remember correctly,
it was a little bit more like it has to be authentic and it has to be this.
And now to get those cars out there and to run them and to be safe with them,
the rules of kind of, I don't know, maybe they just kind of softened up a little bit,
you know, because, you know, like taking the Porsche 935s out there,
those guys run hard, Bruce Kenapa and those guys, they run those things hard.
And, you know, obviously not running the original wheels,
but even the original tire size and wheel size, that's gone.
That's how you can't even get those tires really, you know, you can't get them.
So, and if you go to Kenapa, he's like, no, this is what we're running.
Everybody's running these.
We're all running these 18s or whatever.
We're not doing the staggered wheels.
Like this is what we're running.
And that's just the way it is.
And it's just become the acceptable solution because you can't get the tires.
Yeah, that's the problem with these old Ferraris.
There's a similar thing to where I've had a couple people say,
well, why don't you do these tight wheels?
Because they look almost the same.
They're almost identical, but they're this size.
And you can put a standard, you know, sport cup two on there.
You can put whatever you want on there.
And they're going to handle better.
They're going to feel better.
They're going to drive better.
You know, and I kind of started to bring it up and he took a phone call or something.
It just wasn't, it wasn't interested.
You know, but that's the way I think a lot of us think now.
It's like, it's okay.
You don't have to be an absolute purist because you can still give the impression,
but the drivability and the safety and just the wear and tear availability,
all that stuff counts these days.
And I would much rather put a contemporary set of wheels on there that has a better fitment,
looks very much like the originals, but maybe they look better because they just fill it out
a little better.
But it's still a nod to the old styling, but it's a better compound.
It's a better rubber.
It's a better tire.
It's better performing.
It's smoother.
It's quieter.
Some of those old tires suck.
Yeah, I'm terrible.
They really do.
They just, I mean, sure, you're getting the authentic vintage experience, but the way our roads are made
is changed and everything about it has changed.
And I don't know.
I'd much rather have it be better driving than nostalgic.
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Okay, so a question about the 512.
I can't drive a 55 car.
I don't know if this has ever even come up, but I know your dad has had some thoughts on
to it like just businesses and things like that, like what would he sell?
What would he keep in the family?
And so the family's taken care of, things like that.
Would your dad ever sell the 512?
I have no idea.
I would like to say from my observation that dad is very financially driven.
Right.
So in my head, I'm going, all right, so maybe in his lifetime does he go,
let's take this thing to car week or something or even to Barrett Jackson and go,
we're going to change the game on 512s.
This car is going to go from a million dollars.
So would he take a million dollars for it?
Maybe.
He already thinks it's worth a million dollars because it's his car.
It's a special car.
But listen, I don't disagree with him.
If these cars are trading a four or 500,000, he's got the most famous 512 in the world.
People only really...
He's not proven wrong very often.
And listen, he hasn't gotten to where he is because of making a bunch of really bad financial
businesses, so he's usually pretty right when it comes to that kind of stuff.
I don't disagree.
I think it's easily a million dollar car.
But I don't know.
Maybe he's just like, this car needs to stay in the family or this car needs to
have some sort of guarantee.
Like it needs to be put into a museum and there's a proper contract and donation going on
and this car never gets sold off and it's part of a museum.
And if a museum ever goes bankrupt, it somehow goes back to the family or something along the
lines of that.
I don't know that he's thought that far ahead.
Obviously at his age, he's taking a lot of steps to secure the estate and his legacy and
things, but we really haven't discussed it much.
Dad doesn't like to talk about it and he sure as hell doesn't want to talk about
his business or how he conducts it or any trusts or anything that he has in place.
I happen to clue.
I mean, literally I haven't a clue.
None of us do.
He's very private with that and I've always grown up with him saying, what's mine is mine.
It's not yours.
You're not entitled to it.
I've earned it.
It's my right.
It's not yours.
So don't even put your head anywhere near that.
And it's really true and he was cruel about it in a couple instances where he was misinformed
and I was driving some things because I was asked to and he was misinformed.
So he got upset about it.
But I learned very quickly, I don't take liberties with those cars.
Even though it's quote unquote my job, my task right now to look after them,
I exercise them very conservatively.
I don't rev them out.
I don't run them hard.
I have two different loops I take that are relatively short enough to
calculately get the fluids all up to temperature and get everything warmed up.
If it needs fuel, I have this stop.
If I need to exercise it a little further because the tires are flat spot a little bit,
I go to this next section.
And basically having 37 right there, which is a long straight away road that goes to the racetrack,
my extension at its furthest point on an exercise is the racetrack.
Because I can put race fuel in the car, top it off with something that's going to sit well
and then drive it back.
I'll take it to my shop if I'm going to do a full detail or take it to servicing,
which is really close to my shop.
It's five minutes away.
So it's easier to take it there, stage it because they work in the evenings.
So then we can meet in the evening right before dark or just at dusk.
I can take the car in.
And I've done that a couple of times, which I just did.
But other than that, they're not my cars and I take care of them as dad's property.
And what he does with them is really him.
Once in a while, he gets a little amber and he goes,
big flame comes up and he goes, I want to sell this.
And we'll make some efforts and either it does or it doesn't.
Like the LaFerrari and he sold the Jaguar X key to the same gentleman that bought the LaFerrari
because he wanted a pair.
He had mentioned the 512, but not in a serious way, just knowing its value,
but because they're so undervalued.
He wanted to sell one of his other cars recently.
And they're so undervalued, they're worthless.
And but he was having a lot of trouble with it and it just left him stranded
that one extra time, which was the vanquish.
And so he was thinking maybe getting rid of it, but they're not worth anything.
And he was really disappointed.
So it's not worth it for him.
So he's very financially driven.
I don't know what I might end up with when he's gone.
I don't want to think about it, but as far as I know, nothing.
Yeah.
So it may all get sold.
He may sell it all, but I think as he's able to drive something less
or he doesn't have an interest in driving it anymore,
that's probably on the chopping block.
How many cars do you think are in the collection?
You know, I haven't counted yet.
15, 18 to something around there.
Yeah.
Because I mean every car every car that he has is a special car and kind of has a story
or at least it had a moment during his life.
It's a little different than the collecting for collecting sake.
Yeah.
He doesn't collect cars.
He buys things that he really likes.
He's really after.
He wants the experience and he holds on to them.
One of the only cars I saw come and go quickly, a Lotus Elise,
which he got hot form one day and I found him a good one and it just sat.
He drove it once or twice, you know, but he had a little smart car.
I mean, why would someone like him buy a smart car?
He bought a smart car.
He stuck a chicken foot sticker on it and did a bunch of silly stuff in the chicken foot days.
Yeah.
And sold that car with some pretty good miles on it.
He drove it up and down the mountain and then he got a little Fiat 500 Abarth.
Beat that thing to the ground, man, just, you know, drove the crap out of it
because he just wanted something small to run up and down the mountain
down to the studio and back.
And yeah, so you just, you never know, but he keeps stuff for a long time.
Most everything he has in there is something that he was passionate about and he's held on to.
The Cobra is kind of newer because he had one when I was in high school.
He sold it because it was undriveable.
It was 289 with a Paxton Blower from the factory.
He's just, he used to pick me up at the airport.
I've probably told the story before, but insane car, loved it, never got to drive it.
Myself because I was too young and he's kind of been after it off and on for years
and he finally committed and we had Shelby make him one, you know,
but much like his old one, but nice and drivable.
And he loves that thing.
So sometimes he revisits an idea and it's really fun because he always kind of puts me out on a task
and I have to act quickly because, you know, get on the fire is that kind of thing.
The iron's hot.
I'm getting all my things wrong.
I'm sorry.
But it's really fun to chase some of that stuff with him and for him.
He was hot for a little sunbeam tiger for a while and I had it perfect and the buyer was,
or the seller was ready and then he changed his mind like a week later.
I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry, dude.
He changed his mind.
This is how I'm the guy, you know, like I'm on the deck.
That's happened a couple of times.
But yeah, you know, he just, I mean, we do that, right?
But we turn cars over like crazy because we want experience.
And there's a huge list of cars I still want to experience, including a Ferrari yet.
I would still love to have my own Ferrari.
I'm really, I'm not really trying, but I'm really trying because I don't drive dad's cars like
they're mine.
So, so that experience is his and I'm preserving it.
Yeah.
I would really like to own something of that era, a little freeway GT4 or even a little
Ferrari Fiat Dino or something that I relate to and just enjoy it and drive it the way
I want to drive it and experience it the way I want to experience it.
I'm glad that you're looking after your dad's cars and he's asked you to do that because I
think it's important to have somebody that can answer questions about those cars.
When the time comes or like you said, something comes up or he just wants to sell something
or buy something and go, can we trade this?
Can we trade that?
You will be able to answer quickly and go, well, you know, I was just in the garage.
I looked at that car.
That car is in good shape.
Absolutely.
It's ready to move, right?
Or I looked at this car and a couple of little things I'd like to do to it first.
And then, you know, just somebody can answer the questions about it because you kind of have to
know and that's not always the case, you know, especially on cars that need attention as a
project car.
I mean, Adam's had racing cars and, you know, like something broke on the track or whatever
and it kind of moved to the back of the line and now years have gone by.
I'm sure he knows more than I do, but I'm looking at that car going,
I don't even remember what needs to be done.
Does it even have an engine block in it?
Like, did we take the engine out?
Is it engine in it?
Like, is it on it?
Like, I don't even remember now.
I keep detailed lists and I have a whiteboard there with all the last, the latest, like the
last two or three steps of whatever it was.
And yeah, I keep detailed lists.
You need to.
And sometimes I'll just throw them in the car.
I'll throw them on the sheet of paper on the seat, like address these or here's the
start sequence, you know.
Here's the tire pressure.
You know, I keep notes on tire pressure, you know.
I mean, it's like you have to keep those notes because that's what happens.
Time passes.
And next thing you know, something catastrophic happens because you forgot that there was a
bad fuel line or that there was a, you know, a tooth missing and second gear or whatever.
Yeah, the one thing that I do, if I'm working on a car and let's say it runs and I'm working
on a car, if it ever doesn't have any sort of fluid in it, I put that, I write it in
tape and stick it on the steering wheel, right?
So if it says no oil or no, no trans fluid, no rear fuel, like right on the steering,
I'll put, you know, blue tape on the steering wheel and go no oil, right?
Because that way anybody who's going to sit in it goes, oh, don't, don't, don't touch this
thing yet.
Somebody's doing something here.
And if the steering wheel is really sticky in a spot, look for that blue tape on the floor.
Yeah, right.
Look for that blue tape on the, on the floor.
Okay.
Well, I'd say we could ask your dad these questions about the cars, but he's busy.
He's busy or I think you and I are both going to attend the show this weekend.
And the last show of this leg of his residency in Vegas.
So that's going to be fun.
Yeah.
So that he's got what, a Thursday, Friday, Saturday show or is it Wednesday?
I think it is Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.
Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.
At least the last shows.
We will be out there Saturday.
And then he goes back in September for another.
Correct.
Like, like, what are these like 10 day residency?
He does like six shows.
Something like that.
Yeah.
And if it's six shows or nine shows, I'm not sure.
But I have to look in detail at the schedule.
But yeah, then he's doing some, some runs through the Midwest, back East, I think,
and then off to Europe in July.
Yeah.
He's, he's still doing it, man.
He's still doing it.
He's still doing it after all these years.
If you follow him on, you know, like you guys listening, if you follow Sammy on social media,
he's done always talking about cars, but just interesting how leading up to this residency
again, I don't want to say like nervous is the right word, but he always goes into it going,
I know our first show is not going to be our best show.
We've done this for 60 years, but our first show is not going to be our best show.
It was so good I hear.
It was the second show that he said started off little rough.
But they go in, they rehearse, you know, he does a Wednesday show that he does Friday show,
he did a Saturday show.
He said Saturday show was really good.
He said that one was just off the hook good.
And so now in my head, I'm going, oh, well, maybe it's better for going to Saturday show
because he's going to do another Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.
I mean, they're all going to be great.
Oh, they're all going to be.
Well, the last show is always fun because that's that's when he usually has special
guests and a lot of exciting stuff goes on.
And for sure, any of us going there and watching the show probably won't really even notice
the difference between what he considers a less than ideal show and a good show, right?
He'll just feel it a certain way or he'll just hear like a subtle subtlety that we're
all so excited and having a good time.
Like it doesn't really matter if if if something was even off a note here, a note there or
somebody's playing something a little, you know, like it doesn't matter.
That's what live shows are about.
It's just like, you know, go to any live sporting event.
That's what it's about too.
Right.
Like people even say to me, they go, would you go to a basketball game?
I'm like, yeah, I've gone to basketball games.
I don't watch it on TV or anything like that.
But live events are fun to go to.
Yeah, that they are.
There's just an energy and a spirit and it's it's it's live live rocks.
It rules.
I don't care what it is.
You go and see it live.
It's it is the experience.
But I'm that way about sports, music, sports, yeah, the whole experience.
Like, I mean, I don't watch sports.
I've been to basketball games.
I've been to football games.
I've been to quite a few baseball games, hockey games.
And it's always a delight.
Do I continue to go?
No, but I took the experience and I was wowed by it and it was awesome.
Yeah.
You know, you've been watching your neighbor's kid and their final game of the year or whatever,
you know, you go, you know, you go, you support the kid, you support your neighbor.
And you have a great time, you know, and you watch all the coach parents out there yelling at each other.
It's pretty fun, you know.
But yeah, it's just good.
So yeah, you can kind of do no wrong.
I mean, there's, of course, exceptions to that, but you can kind of do no wrong.
And whatever upset dad, you know, whether it was his voice cracker, I think dad being an athlete
and a perfectionist and a professional, he wants to be the best he can be all the time.
And I think if he doesn't perform to his max, if his knee is hurting him or if his ankle gave out
and so now he can't move around as much or his voice is a little dry because he overworked at
him nuts and it's going to take a little while for him to get his head out of it.
You know, but once he starts having fun and something else magical happens,
it kind of balances it out and he'll move on.
But I think anyone is like that with anything that they do.
You know, I mean, I do that with the painting.
I was stuck on this new painting I'm doing.
I had a spot that I just overworked.
And finally, I got a great big, actually a bigger brush than that.
I just grabbed a great big obnoxious brush and I just started working it with a big brush.
It's like stop focusing in on the details and just look at the big picture.
And and it's really true.
Sometimes you have to stop and get out of your own head and nitpick the little details
and just remember that we're all here to have fun.
We're all here to enjoy the show and and let's just give it what you got left.
You know, yeah, so it's good.
It's good. All right.
Well, look, my advice to you, your dad and everybody else, stretch and hydrate.
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I think we're going to we're going to wrap things up for for today.
I have more stuff to talk about.
No, the stuff you sent me that the the the spark plug thing.
I'd love to touch on that real quick if we can.
Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, because you sent me a link to a really cool channel,
which I actually subscribed to because I watched their wrenches comparison too.
They're very methodical.
They're they're they're really they're really scientific about it.
And and and so this one was about spark plugs.
Yes, it was back up.
So we we I sent you a video for a channel called Tork test.
That's right. Tork test.
And they did a big test on a bunch of spark plugs.
And it wasn't necessarily about which spark plugs are better.
It's about about buying fake.
So he bought a spark plugs.
He bought NGK radium.
I think then so radium champion written plugs.
He bought them from different locations.
And he was very forthcoming on where he bought these from Rockado.
These are from eBay.
These are from Amazon.
And he went through the differences.
He literally got three boxes of NGK spark plugs, radium spark plugs.
He spent like 500 bucks on all these spark plugs.
All the same part number from different vendors.
And and went through the the the details of each plug from the threads and the electrodes
and the strap and the box and the colors and the fonts and going,
these are all sold as the same thing.
They are not the same.
And and the ones he got on eBay were fake.
The ones he got on Rockado, I think were real.
And then and I kind of went through them and tested the plugs to show the differences.
And this is what's misleading was not for him, but for the customer.
What could be misleading is all the spark plugs worked as a spark plug.
It was just because if you're trying to scam somebody
and the product doesn't work, they're going to want to return it.
But if the product works for 12,000 miles instead of 60,000 miles,
then you start thinking your engine is bad or something's wrong or your spark is bad
or your ignition system and you go buy more plugs.
But what it turned out was is you got duped.
Yeah, plugs.
And thank you that that was a much better, better introduction to it.
But but how this trickled down to me and my wife actually watched to kind of watched it
out of the corner of her eye with me, because we had just had the conversation yesterday
about cosmetics and some other things that she's purchased.
And even some things that I purchased for her that were kind of suspicious.
And she was saying, yeah, you know, I was reading something and a lot of the cosmetics on Amazon
and eBay aren't the real deal.
And I had bought her something that she asked for for Christmas.
And she said, yeah, it was a little suspicious, you know, like like the like the safety seal
wasn't the same.
In fact, I think it wasn't even there.
She said the packaging looked a little different.
And and, you know, of course, she was she didn't want to say, you got me a fake one.
I'm like, oh, shit, you know, it's not like buying a fake Louis Vuitton or Rolex or something
from from a place where you know it's fake.
This is this is places that we shop regularly regularly.
And, you know, you might go to Amazon immediately or you might go to to eBay immediately
and try to find one for a little better value, maybe used or returned.
But I got to say, you know, I bought plenty of things on on both platforms that
that just haven't been right.
And I didn't really consider it.
And and now that I look back on some of them that I haven't had the right experience with,
it really does a disservice to the manufacture of the real one when it's not built to their
standards and and and just doesn't work as well.
I mean, you know, we've seen counterfeit Apple products and and AirPods and headphones and
yeah, certainly watches.
Yeah, and certainly watches and they seem to work fine.
And, you know, a watch is a pretty good example because I think the fake Rolexes and some of
the fake, you know, watches are getting so good that not only is it hard to tell the difference,
but their performance is pretty accurate.
And and it's it's within a tolerance that none of us would ever notice or recognize.
But a lot of these other products like the spark plugs aren't and they can actually do
more harm in the long run because especially on a very sophisticated high performance engine
or even a turbo four cylinder, which is high performance because of the demand of that little
four cylinder, not necessarily that's a high tech car, but just the demand of that is very
electronically driven.
It can throw off a lot of readings and therefore premature wear and other components and
something as simple as a spark plug can really have a large effect on the bigger picture in the
longevity and your experience in the long run.
You saved three bucks on a set of spark plugs, but it's going to cost you 20 grand over the
lifetime of the car just because of those spark plugs.
But where do you find a reliable product?
Because because eBay used to be the standard.
Now it's Amazon and those are not only not always trustworthy.
So a place like rock auto or a trusted, you know, nap auto parts or Riley auto parts,
a place that you can go in once again, support your local business or chain and go in there
and buy it firsthand.
And if you want to check it there and let them know with the new information that you learned,
let them know.
Hey, look, there's only one electrode.
There should be two.
I think you might have some fakes, you know, call them to the side of the counter,
maybe not in front of the rest of a lot.
But, you know, keep that trust going and keep that level of satisfaction going because,
yeah, it's a big problem and it's everywhere.
It's with foods, folks.
I mean, we're talking food, you know, not only electronics, but in luxury items, especially
luxurious, but food and beverage and little things that you might buy paint brushes.
I mean, things that you glass wear.
I mean, doesn't matter.
There's counterfeits everywhere and your expectation and experience in those products
is going to be compromised.
So, you get what you pay for.
I mean, there's definitely some truth to that.
Yeah.
And buy from the source itself.
You know, if you're going to buy something, go to their website.
I know it takes a little longer sometimes, but go to their website, buy the real deal.
You know, I found fakes at antique stores.
My mom collected this cool little artifact and Mesh and I found a great value down in
Garnovo one day and we brought it home and put it next to her other ones, which are authentic
and antique.
And we questioned whether it was an addition that maybe they ran that we weren't as familiar
with, that we were sitting there trying to justify it.
And the reality is they were probably knockoffs.
They're really good knockoffs and perfectly acceptable.
In fact, they were vintage knockoffs.
But yeah, they were a similar product made by a different company.
And that was very apparent when you had them side by side.
So, yeah, it's everywhere.
Even in an antique store.
You know, and I oftentimes go down the ramp on YouTube for some of these things.
Like, I like the testing.
So, this YouTube channel, this Torque Test channel, that's a good one.
Yeah, it really is.
Is Lake Speed Junior.
He's the motor oil geek on YouTube.
He's been on the car cast many times in the past and he's such a smart, smart guy when it comes to,
certainly when it comes to oil and he does these really, really thorough testing and stuff and
dyno testing and can really kind of break down the specifics of what makes a good oil and what
he's got his company, Speed Diagnostics, that does oil testing.
So, you're buying a car or you're, you know,
something you pick up at like a Barrett Jackson or whatever auction or vintage race car and
you kind of want to get the status of it.
You can run that car, you can take samples of that oil, send it in and he will test it,
come back and tell you everything about it.
That's going to tell you a lot.
Sure, it does.
It tells you a lot.
I can't even get into all the things that that is in there because he'll, you know,
I don't want to speak for him, but he can come back and explain it in a way that that makes
sense to you going, this is what this means.
You know, it's got, you know, it's got debris and it's got metal shavings and it's got this,
it's got that or it's got heat, you know, it looked like it was heated too much.
Like maybe there's an issue there.
It's got coolant in it.
It's got gas in it.
Yeah, coolant in it.
Yeah, there's a lot to know.
All that kind of stuff.
That's why you see on these, some of these TV shows, they pull the dipstick out,
not only they look at the quality of the oil, but they smell it.
You can tell if the car's been sitting, there's usually, it's fuel-y.
You know, you can tell if it has been changed by its viscosity, but also by its smell.
It smells burnt.
It smells nasty.
It's, you can smell if it has coolant in it.
Coolant makes it smell terrible and you'll see some foam on the cap, but there's all these
telltale signs, but to do it, like to that degree is just awesome.
How beautiful it's primitive.
Oh, guess what?
You're going to need a head gasket soon because there's just a trace of coolant in there.
Yeah, interesting.
Or you could have a wall that's starting to disintegrate.
They come back and they go, I know this car's been sitting for a while.
We've done a lot of tests, but we're pretty sure there's vermin involved.
Yeah, there's rat fur in there.
There's something in there.
There's definitely a foreign liquid.
There's access to it somewhere.
Yeah, it's in there.
Oh, that's funny.
I went down to the parking garage the other day and having driven my other truck in a while.
And when I drove up, I saw something run.
Oh, no.
Something run.
Oh, something with a cat.
No, I think it was a mouse.
It was a mouse.
So I immediately opened the hood and I was like, what kind of nest is in here?
Check the glove box.
Yeah.
Well, the first thing I check is the hood liner, but that truck doesn't have a hood
liner on it, but the hood liner is the perfect place to chew it up.
And right on the top of your intake manifold, it's this nice fiberglass packing sort of nest.
Yeah, it's like having cotton candy on your nightstand.
Yeah.
Use the Beethoven.
Grab it.
Grab a chunk, stick it in your mouth.
Maybe under your pillow.
Oh, man.
We're going to wrap things up now.
So much to talk about.
All right, guys, we'll see you next week.
Brad will be back next week.
I'll see you on the weekend.
I'll see you Saturday.
I don't see a flashing recording light in the corner.
It's up there.
Okay.
Just not on my side.
Yeah, it's up there.
Okay.
All right, Matt.
Thanks for listening, everyone.
Thanks, Matt.
See you later.
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About this episode
Dive into a lively conversation about vintage Ferraris, including the tactile joy of classic switches and the unique driving experience of the Ferrari 512 BBI. The hosts discuss Sammy Hagar's impressive car collection, the challenges of maintaining rare cars, and the financial decisions involved in preserving automotive legacies. They also explore Magnus Walker's Porsche auction and the growing issue of counterfeit automotive parts, highlighting a detailed spark plug authenticity test. The episode blends car culture, personal stories, and practical advice for enthusiasts navigating the world of classic and collectible cars.
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