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Hello, welcome back to the Fast and the Curious Gold.
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This is a celebration of some of our favourite moments
03:55
over the last three seasons interviewing some of these mad drivers
04:00
and getting their personalities out there.
04:02
I'm Betty Glover, this is of course Christian Hugel
04:06
and today we are talking about Carlos Sainz.
04:10
Lovely, wonderful Carlos Sainz.
04:13
We've only had on the podcast once, so these are some of our favourite moments from that interview, basically.
04:19
Because it's a bit of a Fast and the Curious story here.
04:23
Lovely interview, but a bit of a Fast and the Curious story here
04:26
that we've done stuff with every Formula One team except for Ferrari.
04:34
Let's be honest, Ignorers, and that's fine.
04:40
They're known for being...
04:43
Let's see here, they're known for being...
04:46
They don't need to do as much media because they're Ferrari
04:49
and they don't pop their drivers through as much media as other teams do.
04:54
So it's harder to get Ferrari drivers.
04:56
So we'd always wanted Carlos and you guys were always saying to us
04:59
we need Carlos, we need Carlos, we need Carlos
05:01
and then he signed for Williams and our lovely maser Williams
05:04
hello to you Rebecca Banks, hello to you Dom.
05:08
They were like, it's going to happen, guys.
05:11
We're like, yes, he's turned up for Williams.
05:14
Beck and Tom are going to get us Carlos.
05:16
And did they, did they ever?
05:18
And we did this interview, would you like to set the tone of where this interview is, Betty?
05:22
Yes, so this was during the shakedown at the start of the season just gone
05:28
and with that it is freezing cold at Silverstone.
05:32
Looks so incredibly cold and Williams said,
05:36
the best place, classic for you guys to do this interview
05:39
is actually to do it in our truck.
05:42
So all the stuff in the truck was like shoved to the end.
05:47
We set up in this truck, some plastic chairs, some microphones,
05:51
that's all you need, camera.
05:53
And Carlos signs joins us, sits in this truck
05:56
which I think even he's a bit like,
05:58
why are we doing this interview in here?
06:00
Well, slightly warmer.
06:02
And as we're doing the interview, the truck just starts going
06:05
and people forgot that we were in the truck doing an interview
06:10
Yeah, with from Ferrari sort of here with us, yeah.
06:14
He was lovely, he was warm.
06:16
He at the end of the chat said he'd like to sit down with us
06:19
for a longer period of time.
06:20
We've not got to do that yet.
06:22
So with that still we're working on that.
06:25
We're not sure that will happen.
06:26
But then we've loved talking to him
06:28
and I've spoke to him a few times outside of the podcast
06:31
in the media pen and something.
06:32
He's always very warm and friendly.
06:34
Yeah, lovely, lovely man.
06:36
And like on track this season Betty,
06:39
I think he has underlined his status
06:46
as a top level Formula One driver.
06:49
We're in this bizarre situation where he leaves McLaren
06:55
to go to Ferrari because you drivers do,
06:58
like everybody wants to drive a Ferrari
07:00
and it was a very amicable divorce
07:02
where everyone's like,
07:03
totally get you want to go and drive a Ferrari.
07:06
And he wins races, great.
07:08
And at this point as well when he left McLaren
07:10
they were nowhere near battling for titles and stuff.
07:13
So it's like, yeah, fine.
07:15
And then he finds himself being dumped
07:18
by Ferrari for Lewis Hamilton.
07:20
And again, it's a very friendly divorce
07:22
because it's like, well, it's Lewis Hamilton
07:24
and it's a freak thing.
07:25
And then you're in this weird situation where Mercedes...
07:27
Did feel sorry for him though.
07:29
I think a lot of people felt sorry for him, didn't they?
07:31
When he was about to hear us talk about that.
07:33
And then Mercedes could sign him
07:35
but opted to go for the future with Antonelli.
07:37
Red Bull, it's like we don't want to upset Max too much.
07:40
So Williams are like, oh my God,
07:42
we've got this driver of the calibre of Carlos.
07:44
And he's come in, he's finished the season ninth.
07:46
So, you know, almost up to Albon's level.
07:50
Tough starts the season as he adapted to the car.
07:52
That was inevitable.
07:53
And then just at the end of the season
07:55
showed his class and at the end of 2025
07:58
his reputation in Formula One
08:00
is, I think, almost higher than it ever has been
08:02
which is mad that in 2024 he was winning races.
08:05
2023 he was the only guy other than Max
08:07
in the dominant season to win a race
08:09
other than a Red Bull, I should say, because Czecho won.
08:11
And yeah, this season he's like
08:13
enhanced his reputation even further
08:15
despite being with the midfield team.
08:17
I just think he's amazing.
08:18
I think he's one of those that like
08:20
sums up why F1's great
08:22
that we've got this characters like Carlos
08:24
and storylines like Carlos.
08:25
It's like so much to love.
08:27
I think he's been brilliant this season.
08:29
I just so hope we get a Williams
08:31
that's fighting up there
08:33
because Alex and Carlos on the podium regularly
08:35
even fight for wins.
08:37
Carlos signs getting on the podium at Qatar
08:40
was one of my favourite moments of the season
08:43
I just think he's so good
08:45
and I think he deserves it.
08:46
I just think he deserves every little bit
08:48
of success that comes his way.
08:50
And also this chat that you're about to listen to
08:53
was up there as one of my favourite interviews
08:56
this season as well.
09:00
He talks about his memes.
09:03
Lovely conversation.
09:04
Guys, enjoy this one.
09:08
We're recording this on Valentine's Day
09:10
so let me ask you a question
09:11
I never thought I'd be able to ask
09:14
Shall we go spend Valentine's Day
09:17
Oh, it would be my pleasure.
09:21
Welcome to the Fast and the Curious.
09:23
We've waited a long time to say that.
09:25
Thank you very much.
09:27
It's lovely to have you with us.
09:29
So this is the third season of this podcast.
09:32
We've spoke to most drivers on the grid
09:37
Our listeners are very vocal.
09:39
They really let us know what they want.
09:42
And I'm not just saying this
09:44
because you're here.
09:46
You're back me up here.
09:47
You are comfortably
09:49
the most requested driver
09:51
that we've not yet had on
09:57
They ignored us completely.
09:59
But we love Williams.
10:00
Ferrari have blanked us Carlos.
10:02
Can you believe it?
10:04
That's because it never caught to me.
10:05
If it would have caught to me
10:07
I would have given you a free pass.
10:09
The thing is we put a word in with Williams
10:11
and we were like look
10:12
we really just want to get Carlos on the pod.
10:14
And they were like great we will sign him.
10:19
We are doing the interview
10:22
in the back of a truck.
10:24
And I'm not sure the truck is moving.
10:27
Do they know we're in here?
10:30
We've got a driver with us.
10:32
Do they know they can't take Carlos away
10:36
Carlos have you ever had this before?
10:37
I need to watch a plane.
10:38
I'm sorry but anyway.
10:40
Let's continue like that didn't happen.
10:43
So yes Carlos we were saying
10:44
we're so pleased to have you here.
10:46
We're excited for the new season.
10:47
How exciting you to be with a new team.
10:51
The important thing is that I'm here now.
10:53
And that's what matters.
10:55
And I can finally be part of fast.
10:57
The fast and the curious.
10:59
I call it fast and curious I don't know.
11:02
Your fast way here is.
11:05
Good idea and thought about it that way.
11:07
But yeah very excited.
11:09
Honestly it's been a long short winter.
11:12
But it feels long because you always miss racing.
11:15
At the same time it's been super busy.
11:17
Whenever you change teams that winter
11:19
it becomes extremely busy
11:21
because there's extra work,
11:23
extra seats, extra meetings,
11:25
extra simulator, extra everything.
11:27
So I've been very busy this winter
11:29
but at the same time I felt like I got my rest,
11:31
I got my training and I'm trying to balance
11:33
all those things out.
11:34
What is it like moving teams?
11:37
Because you've done it quite a few times haven't you?
11:39
It must be a lot mentally
11:42
trying to meet loads of new people,
11:44
learning everyone's names,
11:46
getting used to a new sort of environment.
11:49
I think you're completely right.
11:51
It's more mental than anything.
11:53
It's just a lot to go through in your head.
11:55
You're having to constantly learn names,
12:00
learn ways of working, working methods.
12:03
So you're constantly, constantly
12:05
learning something new every day.
12:07
So mentally in the end it is draining.
12:09
Also the simulator sessions become more draining
12:12
because you're having to learn things of the steering,
12:14
of the setup of the car that you didn't know before.
12:17
You're trying also to get to learn
12:19
to meet your engineers that you're going to work this year.
12:22
So you're starting to work with them,
12:24
the way they say things,
12:25
the way the kind of words they use
12:27
might be different to yours.
12:29
Incredibly complex,
12:30
but as you said I've done this five times now.
12:32
I've changed them five times.
12:34
So I can officially say I've been
12:36
in 50% of the teams of the grid now
12:38
and I have some experience.
12:41
It's not bad is it?
12:43
We were sat at the back of this truck,
12:46
when you were talking to us
12:47
doing a sort of press conference before
12:49
and you were asked about Lewis going to Ferrari
12:51
and that sort of thing
12:52
and it dawned on me that
12:54
like if you don't mind me saying
12:56
your reaction to all of that has been so classy.
12:58
The way you speak so
13:00
like well and charmingly about
13:03
Lewis being at Ferrari and about your move
13:06
Like it's genuinely amazing.
13:08
You've been really classy
13:10
with how you've handled that situation.
13:12
Has it ever been harder than you let on?
13:19
journalism maybe tries always
13:22
to create a story and dramatize things
13:24
and obviously you need to sell
13:26
in order to sell you need to dramatize
13:28
a bit what's happening.
13:30
So that I'm not going to tell you
13:32
and I'm not going to lie to you.
13:34
It was a tough moment in my career
13:36
but it was tough I think
13:38
especially because it wasn't expected.
13:40
I think it would have been expected.
13:42
It wouldn't have been tough.
13:44
It would have been actually something relatively
13:46
easy to get on with.
13:48
The fact that a seven time world champion
13:50
was taking your seat at Ferrari
13:52
you could argue at some point
13:54
it could perfectly happen.
13:56
The fact that it was so unexpected
14:00
I wouldn't say hidden from me
14:04
until the day before that
14:06
or the week before that I didn't know
14:08
I was 99% sure I would continue in Ferrari.
14:10
That's what made it tough.
14:12
But once I thought about it
14:16
I got on with it pretty quickly
14:18
and I just got on with my life
14:20
and look here I am in Williams
14:22
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14:24
if you would have asked me
14:26
when I was ten years old and I fell in love with the sport
14:28
which teams would you have dream
14:30
being part of I would have said
14:32
Williams Ferrari and McLaren
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14:38
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what do you want to achieve
18:02
what do you think can be possible
18:04
not just this season
18:06
but also in the future
18:10
well in the long term i want to win
18:12
i'm coming to williams
18:16
the process of recovery
18:18
to the top of the field
18:20
as short as possible
18:22
and i believe i can help on that
18:24
the challenge motivates me
18:26
probably we're looking more into
18:28
2027 2028 if you ask me
18:30
but that doesn't mean that
18:32
2025 is not important
18:34
in order to achieve that everything starts
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here the team has already been working
18:38
two or three years on that goal
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the team and the state of the team
18:44
reminds me a lot of my years in mclaren
18:46
2019 2020 when then mclaren
18:48
went on last year to win the constructors
18:50
championship so i don't know
18:52
i feel like i am ready for the challenge
18:54
for sure it's going to be a step back
18:56
compared to last year
18:58
but at the same time if one day i can
19:00
getting a podium with williams
19:02
or getting a win with williams
19:04
that moment will be for sure the proudest moment
19:06
so that's what i have in my head
19:08
and the only thing that i want to achieve
19:10
can i ask you a strange question
19:12
it dawns on me in formula 1
19:14
that you're really popular
19:16
i was at your first race win at silveston
19:18
it's such a popular race win
19:20
a couple of them last year as well
19:22
as i've said before
19:24
with how well you've handled the move to williams
19:26
you've got heartthrob status
19:28
there's no question about that
19:30
are you aware of all of this
19:32
are you aware of how popular
19:34
within the sports you are
19:36
does that reach you as a driver
19:38
it does through social media of course
19:40
and obviously this podcast
19:42
helps for you to let me know
19:46
formula 1 drivers we live
19:48
in a bit of our own world
19:50
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19:52
how much we're traveling
19:54
so you sometimes maybe you don't get to
19:56
stop and realize these kind of things
19:58
but to be able to say as you said
20:00
i'm very popular as a formula 1 driver
20:02
that i've been to these teams like i was telling before
20:04
sometimes i need to stop
20:06
and remind myself these kind of things
20:08
you know to be able to enjoy the ride
20:10
and to enjoy the life
20:12
because i'm so busy i'm so competitive
20:14
that sometimes i don't
20:16
feel like give myself enough time
20:18
to realize these kind of things
20:20
so sometimes it's good to stop
20:22
look around see where you're at
20:24
in your career and say okay
20:26
i cannot complain i'm doing pretty well
20:28
and i would like to thank everyone
20:30
obviously for supporting me
20:32
and giving me that love that you were talking about
20:34
because it's exactly like i feel it
20:36
i feel i feel when i genuinely
20:38
like won in silvers to my first race
20:40
when i won singapore
20:42
australia after my appendicitis
20:46
i realized that could be my last win
20:48
like i felt the love of the fans
20:50
that as a human being
20:54
the human being feels it
20:58
just it reminded me your silveston win
21:00
of a grand prix i went to as a kid
21:02
where michael schumacher won
21:04
and there was a real warmth from
21:06
british fans to michael
21:08
you felt really similar at silveston
21:10
to me of like when normally
21:12
a home crowd wants a home driver to win
21:14
i feel really lovely
21:16
weirdly yes i think thanks
21:18
a bit of that is thanks to my mclaren years
21:20
i think my two years in mclaren
21:22
brought me a lot closer to the english crowd
21:28
it was my home race as a mclaren driver
21:30
and now silveston will be again
21:32
as a williams driver
21:34
one of my home races
21:36
and yeah i've always felt that love
21:38
with the british crowd
21:40
and i would like again to thank them
21:44
i think also getting on well with lando helps
21:46
i guess if you get on well
21:48
with a british driver
21:52
as you were saying so yeah
21:56
talking about your social media
21:58
following and people loving you
22:00
another thing people talk about
22:02
is the fact that you're often quite confused
22:04
do you see that everyone goes on like that
22:06
i didn't know but i become
22:10
that everyone likes to post a video
22:14
and do you know what you lived out
22:16
like i'm in a press conference
22:22
suddenly i was like
22:24
carlos doing an impression of carlos cause he uses
22:30
now people have made me aware
22:32
and now i'm like in a press conference thinking about my stuff
22:34
and i'm like carlos you're doing exactly what everyone
22:40
i've done it again haven't i
22:42
and my girl from my family
22:44
they all laugh at me now because there's so many memes
22:48
but the thing is you lived up to it today
22:50
didn't you because you got lost on your way to silveston
22:52
what they for some reason
22:54
silveston decided to close the gate
22:56
of the normal entrance exactly
22:58
five minutes before i arrived
23:00
and they made me do a whole lap around
23:02
the outskirts of the track and i was like
23:04
i'm lost and you were late
23:06
and i wasn't i was not going to be late
23:10
forget all these spanish
23:12
or spanish people don't like waking up early
23:14
or sometimes a bit late
23:16
i'm a very punctual very
23:18
methodic very committed guy
23:20
and i hate being late and today
23:22
silveston for some reason decided to close
23:24
the gate in my first day at work
23:28
silveston can we next time carlos is here please
23:30
can we make sure the gates are open for carlos
23:32
thank you very much
23:34
earlier on we spoke to jenson button
23:36
and he used a brilliant term
23:38
where he said that the williams team
23:42
had plugged you in and were downloading your knowledge
23:44
do you feel suitably downloaded
23:48
i feel at the end of those days in the factory
23:50
i'm properly downloaded
23:52
but downloaded also in energy
23:54
because the other day my engineer
23:56
kept me in the simulator until 7pm
24:00
for your info simulator session can be from
24:06
i was in the factory
24:08
from 8.30 in the morning till 7pm
24:10
testing things, asking things
24:12
meetings, doing a seat
24:14
and at the end of the day i was like 8.00
24:16
i cannot do a whole year like this
24:18
they were downloading me
24:22
you guys know i'm a hard worker
24:24
i like all that process
24:26
but yeah 24 races a full year
24:30
a bit otherwise wouldn't you
24:34
last question before we let you go
24:36
what is your favourite food
24:38
because we spoke to alex albon earlier
24:40
and he said that you love caviar and sushi
24:42
because you were neighbours
24:44
and he saw your food delivery
24:46
that is confused carlos by the way
24:50
who doesn't like caviar and sushi first of all
24:52
i think everyone kind of likes that
24:54
but if i would have to choose
24:58
for sure hamburgers
25:00
100% i'm my crazy hamburger guy
25:04
i watch internet top 10 hamburgers
25:06
every year i try a different burger
25:08
in every city i go to
25:10
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that i put on the way
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hamburger wednesday
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which city is the best burger
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austin does very good burgers
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melbourne does good burgers
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montrell does good burgers
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