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out with Camera Chaos and EVB. Hey, guys, hope you're

having a great Saturday where you guys are at. Hopefully

it is one hundred percent Sonny and you guys have a great day for a car show. I'm gonna tell

you guys real quick, if you're in the hamp Roads area, do not forget out at seventeenth Street Auto Garage. They

are doing their fundraiser for the two fallen officers here in the hamp Roads area. They are going to be

there from eleven to three today and then tomorrow Sunday.

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by and say hi, get your car washed. It's donation

purposes only, so you can pay whatever you guys want, get your cars car washed, and all that money will go towards the family. So I want to get that

out of the way real quick. Well, I remembered, because

you know, we jump into stories and you tend to forget some things. So I have a topic for you guys.

You guys ready, I'm ready? All right? Happened to me.

I think we discussed a little bit. I was trying

to figure out what has changed when it comes to Rims. Now.

I told you guys before I don't like buying rooms and stuff like that, but this has nothing new with that Rims just as far as I'm concern, aren't made the way that they used to be made. Like it

seems like I've had two bent wheels in the last year. Okay,

and not because of driving crazy or anything else like that, because it's not even my car that's got the bent wheeling it it's Dawn's. But it's the second time. And

I know she doesn't drive like a maniac. It's not

she hot curbs. There's no damage to the outside of

the wheels stuff like that. I think, well, no, she did.

I mean, if she did, I tell you guys, I'd be like, oh, I can tell what she did. But

I just don't think with the construction of wheels are what they used to be, you know. I mean, I

don't think they make them as good as they used to.

Or maybe I was good enough metal anymore or whatever.

And it's not cheap to have a wheel fixed now.

The good thing is is I did a company here in our local area that does really good work, and they've been able to straighten the wheels for us, you know, make them right. And it was trying to put tires

on anyway, so I bought a set of tires. But

I realized in the process of buying tires. I really

hate buying tires too. I just don't. I hate buying rims,

but I hate I hate buying tires.

Speaker 3: The price has changed too much. You know, it just

depends on what area you go to or where you go to get your tires from. You know, you can

go to one shop and it be forty dollars for this more expensive for the same tire.

Speaker 2: But if you know exactly where to go, let me ask you. So I'll start with you, camraon since you're

hollering about it, what do you think is a good price for a set of tires like set or per Let's just say a set. It's easier to do set

because I always buy a set at a time.

Speaker 3: Four hundred bucks, four hundred bucks, I think one hundred dollars per tire would be good.

Speaker 2: You're delusional? Why hold that thought? Tires? What do you

think is a good price for that?

Speaker 4: Would be good for a set of tire? Just normal

tires for all four for all four and we're talking mountain balanced and installed to right or you just talking about just a tires.

Speaker 2: No, you're definitely delutional.

Speaker 4: Yeah, mountain balance probably like what five hundred bucks.

Speaker 3: Okay, you're right, four hundred hours for the tires themselves, and then I'll give hours for each tire to mountain balance, so about five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2: And then in the end, d but you got disposal fees and you go dispose?

Speaker 3: You got tax is a joke, It is not.

Speaker 2: He has to pay to dispose of the time. How

disposed of them? Take my tires off, put them in

the trunk. I'll dispose of them. Okay, didn't answer. What

are you doing with them? What do you gotta do

something with them? Diposing point, I'm willing to give them

to somebody to make tires swings out of them. He's not, no,

he's not. Okay, they don't average cost right now for

a decent set of tires. Now, I told you guys,

both of you wrong. What are you really like?

Speaker 4: Seven to eight after it's all said for dealers or.

Speaker 2: A third party got tires for the camera, Probably about how much you think I paid per tire. I'll give

you to pro time. I was just shy because of

friends and discounts. I was just shive two hundred dollars

a tire and they weren't mountain balanced yet. Okay. So

I bought the tires knowing that I had had the rims fixed, because I knew that I could hear. I

got in the car and I could hear that there was a vent rim again. You can just if anybody's

ever had a vent ram. You know the noise it

makes a very distinct noise of event rental sounds like a bad wheel bearing. But there's no way it's a

bad wheel bearer on that car. It's got twenty thousand

miles on it. Maybe so it was a bent wheel again.

So I took it over. I bought the tires I was.

I was just a little over two hundred dollars per tire, and then I sent it over the wheel shop. All

all in having the wheels fixed and then having the tires put on and mount it and balance and all that kind of stuff. It was for forty nine, but

I already purchased my tires, you know what I mean.

I paid for the tires. I supplied my tires, just

dropping off like well, you got to take tires off to fixed rims anyway. We just put all new tires

on it. Mountain bounce for you. When you put them on,

you find the bent.

Speaker 3: Rims about twelve hundred dollars. Right, that's expensive. I see,

I didn't think it was. I didn't think I thought.

Speaker 2: That was a pretty good deal. Okay, So last time

I had a bent wheel, same car, but I was able to find that I knew I could see the bend.

That's when I think, I told you guys. So we

went to Jersey and we were in Jersey, hit a pothole and I knew it bent and a wheel. Well,

the car was back in Jersey again, and I think that's how I think that's how it got these bent wheels.

Speaker 4: How old were the tires before?

Speaker 2: So we got a long day last we got forty one thousand miles out of these tires. No, excuse me, no,

because the car doesn't. No, we didn't. The car doesn't

have that many miles on it. That was my truck.

This car we got twenty thousand, like just a little probably just over twenty thousand miles out of tires. This

car got like twenty thousand miles. Terrible, they're fifty thousand

mile tires. It made me think, when's the last time

I changed my tires? I don't know it. So, yeah,

my truck, I got forty one thousand miles out of the fifty thousand mile tires. This one we got just

a little over twenty thousand miles on, which, by the way, I think I've told you guys this before. I never

seems to be the norm, really, because if you guys remember I told you a story about the truck. The

first set of tires I had on it, fifty thousand mile tires, and I got just at twenty thousand miles.

And the way it was explained to me, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not tire expert by any means. I'm just a car guy. The compound

of the tires are put on cars that come directly out of the dealership are not as good as if you buy something on your own as well. I was

told they put even though it may have a brand name on it, it is the cheapest of the brand name, kind of compounded. They just never you never seen to

get the miles out of If you guys remembered correctly, I got just over twenty thousand miles of the first set of tires on the truck, and I made the manufacturer eat it, and some many a new set of tires because I complained, squeaky wheel gets the grease. And

I complained about it because I was like, it says it's fifty thousand all tire, and I was able to show that rotated the tires every single time they're supposed to have rotated. I had receipts for it all. I

was like rotating every time cars truck had been inspected.

It never had a problem with alignment. It was an

alignment issue. They wore evenly, completely down evenly, so it's

not like one side was wore a little bit or whatever.

The tires wore down completely even which meant I was keeping the tires rotated. And they wore out at just

over twenty thousand miles. And when I call and I

got a little resistance, and then I got a little more vocal about it, and they end up sending me a free set of tires and mountain bounds and put them on the truck for free. I wonder if this.

Speaker 4: Because the tires sits for so long. What do you mean, boy,

like when they're putting another car together, I mean it was an old car, a new car.

Speaker 2: No, that was on the truck. That was the new truck.

Speaker 4: So you know, I wonder if it's, like, you know, from the manufacturer.

Speaker 2: Maybe did I think, to be honest with you guys, did I think they were going to send me a set of free tires? No, but I could. I mean,

I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. When

I say I complain, just understand I wasn't. I wasn't

like being like one of those people. I was just like, look,

they should't have this. Pay. The paperwork says, you know,

they're fifty thousand mile tires. I said, they're even worn

all the way around. All four are showing the same

amount of wear, and we're down to the wear bars and I think I, like I said, I think I was like twenty one thousand miles at that point time when I think they also wanted a ridiculous amount of money food. Yeah, the tires for that truck at that time,

I think we're like sixteen hundred bucks for me to replace.

And I was like, no, that may probably what maybe squeal a little bit more about it. I was just like,

you know, so they sent me and then the second set I got like forty one thousand miles out of them, and they're fifty thousand times, and I didn't squeal about that.

I said, okay, just sub think you were even asking for free tires at the time. I was.

Speaker 3: A conversation started off with can I get a rebate at least or something like pro rated or something like what I started off.

Speaker 2: I was like, that's like, there's gotta be a pro rate or something on these there's pro rates on batteries.

If you guys didn't know, If you have a battery and it's a five year battery and it doesn't last five years, they pro rate how many years they think are left in the battery, and that goes towards the cost of your new battery. With some battery manicactions, not

all of them are just saying some battery man.

Speaker 3: A little bit of an update on my our battery conversation when we were having it, what three three shows ago, talking about how I go and just pick up just Walmart batteries and stuff.

Speaker 2: It was long and three shows ago, but yeah, I remember the conversation.

Speaker 3: I did have Triple A come out, thank you Triple A for replacing my battery. And the reason why what

made me change it was because there's come with a three year warranty. So I was like, okay, your warranty

batteries out there, but I mean, yeah, but I I think I don't know that.

Speaker 2: I think three year. If I had triple A, come

replace mine too. The last time I need a battery

in the truck, I wanted to go start the truck.

The truck. I knew the batteries getting weak because I

turned it and it kind of gave me a little and it started, and I was like, batter's starting to get weak. And then I think the truck sat for

three days and I didn't drive it for three days.

And I went out there, went and started, and could I have taken the other car and went and got a battery stuff. I got Triple A and I was like,

you know what, it's almost close to the same price.

That's how I was like. I was always close to

the same price, and I don't have to do anything.

Let somebody come on.

Speaker 3: I was like, I will pay the extra forty bucks to have somebody come in and deliver me my battery and install it.

Speaker 2: I think my bat I think the truck it was like one sixty nine for the battery, is what it was.

I had a three year warranty. It wasn't twenty nine.

It wasn't maybe it was two twenty or something like that.

I know it was. I knew it wasn't more than what.

I was like, that's reasonable. Just go ahead and put

the battery in, Like it just makes sense. Now everybody's like, well,

why didn't you just jump start the car and take it to the repair shop. And I'm like, because you

know what, I was in my comfany clothes that day, and I don't feel like it's a lot of company clothes.

Speaker 3: The hand tripway, come and jump start. At first I

thought the battery was good.

Speaker 2: And well, when I knew it wasn't, I told it.

I was like, look, we had it. I was like,

you need it. I don't need a battery. It just

needs a good jump start, and you need a battery.

I knew you need a battery. There's no way like

that thing has been sitting. You've been letting the battery

die and the cell go go low and then charging it back up by jumpstarting it. You do that a

couple of times, you pretty much probably at some point in time you that battery seen all it's gonna need.

So there, like I said, back to the conversation tires.

I just I don't like messing like. So I was

looking for tires for the camera. There was like fifty

different tires to select from. Now I could have bought

exactly what was on it, but I don't feel like I got the life out of those. So I was

just like, I don't you know. Maybe it's because the

compound was different. I probably could have bought another set,

because history shows me when they replaced my tires on the truck, they send me the exact same tire and it did get more mile, which makes me believe that there is something to what I was told. Okay, that's

just tire might have the name on it, but maybe it's a less compound or for tire. Maybe are you one.

Speaker 3: Of those people when you go on to the shopping cart, you go to the little filter, you hit lowest to highest, and you scrolled to the middle of the page.

Speaker 2: You're like, all right, this is a medium range. So

I may have something very similar to that. It's funny

that serie, I may have. So yes, And there was

the cheapest tire and it was the most and I went I looked at the cheapest and I scrolled to the bottom of the page the most expensive. I said, well,

I'm not spending that, and I was like, okay, let's roll back up. So I'm gonna write about the mid range.

And I was like, okay, how long is this tire?

Schlipost like, oh, it's a sixty thousand mile tire. Yeah,

that seems like a good price for that tire. Medium range.

You're like, okay, so what extra fourteen dollars gets me?

You know, there was a tire that was on the page down the very expensive that was like four hundred and seventy three dollars a tire, and I was just like, for what, Like the first of all, you all know the new cameras have low profile tires on it anyway, so it's already a low profile tire. I'm sorry. At

four hundred semi dollars a tire, that tire's gonna wear out.

It's a low profile tire. I already know it's gonna

wear out quickly. So I was just like, let me

go with a name brand I recognized. No, I didn't

buy like some off brandp I'm gonna say it, don't get anybody get mad, But I didn't buy like necks or something like that. I know that's tires out there.

I don't know if they're good or not. I've never

put them on my car, but I saw that was one of the choices, and it was. It was a

pretty cheap with a good mile package on it. But

I never heard of it. It was just there, never

being a sponsor. Now I'm sorry, but I've never I've

heard of them, but I've never heard of them, as in putting them on anything I own, you know what I mean. But there was a tire I can't trying

to remember. There was a tire I used to buy

back in the day, like this was twenty years ago.

It was sold through pet boys and I would just buy the tire and then install it myself. And I

can't remember the name brand of that tire, but it was a cheap tire and I got all the mile out of that tire that it was always advertised for.

I put them on several cars that I had and was very impressed. It was a cheap It was a

cheap tire. It wasn't like a mainstream name brand by

any means. But I stumbled across at one time when

money was a little tight and I threw it on a car and I got all the miles out of the tire. I was impressed. I ended up buying it

again and throwing it on another car. And before I

knew it, I made a customer for like three different say they did because it was like it was cheap.

I want to say, like the tire back then was like sixty bucks for the tire and it was like a fifty thousand mile a tire and you got all the miles out of it. And I said, I end

up having three different sets on three different cars because I was like, for life of me, I cannot remember the name brand though something it was. Somebody asked me

the other day when I was talking about I said, I can't remember what it was. I'm sure if I

spent some going down the rabbit hole, I could probably compe with the name, but I can't. Anyway, I picked

a bridge stone this time. I put a bridge stone

on the car. I think it will probably last a

while and hopefully we get the miles out of it.

But just so y'all know, there's too many choices. I

need to go back to where there's only like four tires or choosed put on the car and just keep it that simply. Maybe A three a good better best

fifty tires was way over. She would be like, right,

like my instow wipers. This needs a choice for me,

even though they're thirty three dollars a piece for those ones are like on that note, I gotta take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I got some

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive specialist.

Now back to your host, Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So jump right into it. I

got another story here for you guys. So, you guys,

a couple of people hit me. I think they probably

listened to the show and then we didn't give them a result. What I'm talking about was I thought I

was telling you guys about some of the court stuff that was going on with auto garages and stuff. And

I told you I was kind of following to see how that panned out and what was the end result of and stuff. If you guys don't remember, I was

talking about, you know, you holding some type of responsibility if you have a problem with your car and something happens to your vehicle and then you don't get resolution through an auto garage and you decide that you want to escalate it and take it to court, how that all works out. And I told you I was kind

of following one that was going on, and it was unfortunately in this particular one, it was the maintenance side, the lack thereof of maintenance on the car. The car

had a catastrophic failure, and the customer felt like the car should be covered under warranties as the shop did the work, and the shop felt like that wasn't the case.

And it kind of went back and forth. So I

was waiting to see how that all panned out. It's

interesting to like I've told you guys in the past, you know, back in the day when I was very involved in auto garages on a regular basis and stuff, which was what almost ten years ago now. I had

to go to court quite a few different times, and not a lot for what I figured my extent of my career was. I think I went to court, when

I say, quite a few different times, maybe six or seven times in a twenty five year career. That's not bad.

For all the cars that you touch and put your hands on, some of them I had nothing to do with.

I ended up just to probably more than the people.

That's what a right. So you know, sometimes we got

called in secondary where we looked at the car after somebody else already touched it, and they want us to go testify on their behalf of court. And I always

found it very interesting that you really don't ever know how those cases are going to go. And the reason

why is because I truly believe, and nothing against judges or lawyers or any nails like that, but I highly believe that every judge and lawyers had a bad experience with an auto garage. I just tell me I'm wrong.

If I'm wrong, you guys know how to email me and text me. In general, I mean very there's no

way you've gone through life and never had a bad experience in an auto garage as far as no matter who you are, what your profession is. So I always

worry about auto garages that had to go to court to defend their position on something and who they're gonna be in front of. Are you gonna end up in

front of a judge? Just had a bad experience at

an auto garage? And how does that weigh in your

favor or not way in your favor? Not gonna say

not wayh in your favor, because isn't that kind of the opportunity, even though you hope that that isn't the case, that's kind of a way for them to get a little even right if they kind of waiver a little bit towards the guy that's the complaint, the complaint to you and not the you know, the defendant. And so

it always has puzzled me a little bit. Like, first

of all, I've always said, if you own an auto garage, and I know there's a lot of you guys, listen to show you do, try to have resolution outside of court.

Do everything you can to try to make the customer hold.

With that being said, the customer is not always right in this particular one in this case, and we like I said, we talked about a couple of shows ago and stuff like that. Like I said, it was a lack of maintenance.

The engine was installed in the vehicle, the engine went bad, but the engine went bad because the vehicle didn't have any oil changes or anything like that in the history of the customer had the vehicle in their possession, so that the customer believed that yousould just still be responsible as an auto garage, which didn't make any sense to me, because it's so you didn't hold on if I went and bought a car brand new from the dealership, right, brand new, and I just drove it and never did an oil change in the car, and the engine blew and I went back to the dealership. Well, well my engine blew.

Speaker 4: Up, right, you're expecting the dealership.

Speaker 2: The dealership is going to tell you to pack sand, heavily tell you to pack sand. So what makes you

think that an auto garage should be responsible. It's the

same thing. Well, they put the motor my car in

a bad motor, and they put a motor in my car, and now that motor's not good, okay, but what did you do to ensure that the motor stayed good? Did

you maintenance regular? Why didn't know I was supposed to

do well? Negligence on your part and knowledge is not

doesn't fall upon them, you know what I mean. So

I'm one of those people. I've always joked in life

that every single policy and rule has somebody's name on it because it's happened and that person brought it, and now you had to defend your position. And I believe

that's how we ended up with so many rules and regul relations because somebody had a Okay, well we got to write that in the policy. Now, well I got

to write this in the policy, now, you know what I mean, because of weird things that happen. And this

is one of those instances where you know, you feel like you don't think you'd have to tell somebody that when you do work on their car that hey, you need to keep up with all the regular maintenance on your vehicle, right, you know what I mean? But in

a judge's eyes, just so you all know how this went down, and the judge's eyes is like, well, maybe you should start doing that, Maybe you should start putting it in fine print or something on your seat says, hey, if we do X amount of work for your vehicle.

You need to keep up with the maintenance if you expect me to warranty it. No, I know the face

you gave me was I couldn't believe as I was standing there listening to all this go down as well.

Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I will say, don't you think that every service should probably have a you know, thirty point check you know whatever check yes, yes, so that you don't run those problems. Further on that, the customer

always feels like he's you know, whole wise. Okay, I

don't believe that. You know, there is some you know,

when people are negligent and they don't really know better, and so that they kind of look forward to the garages to kind of tell them better sometimes.

Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with you on that to the point that I when I was in the automotive business and that was my everyday job, I had a two week check So if we did anything big service or aining work to your vehicle, you had to bring your vehicle back to us in two weeks for the warranty be activated for me to cover the warranty on whatever work I did forever, right, you know.

Speaker 4: That's that's only checking the work that you've done right, not the work that's kind of maybe yes and no.

Speaker 2: Anytime like so, when I was automotive industry, anytime that I had your vehicle, I used to always tell the technicians, give the vehicle a good lookover. I know, we're only

doing say the transmission on a vehicle, or we're only doing a motor on the vehicle, or we're putting brakes on it. Check the tires, make sure the belts are good,

make sure the hoses are good, make sure it's full of fluids. Like that was just normal, And most auto

garages nowadays do that. Do I feel that they get

skipped every once in a while because you just have a tech that just overlooked it or just was lazy that day. Could be that too. Sure, I'm sure that happens.

Speaker 4: I can imagine they're like, you know, they're only doing the job that motor.

Speaker 2: In someone's vehicle, and they skipped three oil changes. Never

did an oil change in the time period you should have had three oil changes done, and the engine goes kaboom.

I don't find the house of garage responsible for that, no, one percent.

Speaker 4: But I'm saying it could have been caught though, right if say, you know, if someone was checking the dipstick, checking the oil, or you know, like you know, just kind of like looking out per se for the customer.

On this particular you know, it is the customer's responsibility.

Speaker 2: To be fair. It had oil in it, right, the

oil was just really nasty, really sludgy. It was not good,

you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: So and one easy you know, now dipstick pool.

Speaker 2: Another thing on this particular case was the vehicle at some point in time had sprung a coolant leak somewhere, and instead of bringing the vehicle in and addressing that, they just kept on adding cool into it. I don't

know for sure. I just assume that that's what it was,

because as I listened to everything play out and people tell me their sides of the story, there was a cool and bottle present in the vehicle. Why would you

have that because you know, you're low and cool and when the vehicle came to the garage it was had no cool in it was empty. So you've been adding Like,

there's just so many things that were like head scratchers for this particular.

Speaker 4: One, Like it's definitely they definitely responsible, But I do see how probably like not knowing, they just thinking that it's normal.

Speaker 2: Well, right, the problem kind of we followed this because I was curious to see how this was going to play out. I wanted to know just how what the

thing was and literally for the end result. Like I

said that the end war that came down on this was maybe you ought to put it in your policy, like on your receipt saying if we do X amount this type of work, whatever, you're required to do.

Speaker 4: These Mainly you're only checking your like and like, what isn't that common?

Speaker 2: It's common sense. Like I think everybody drives a car nose.

You supposed to change the oil. And I think everybody

drives a car nose, you're supposed to make sure there's cooling in it so it stays cool. Right, But there's

but there's.

Speaker 4: Times where like you do go get work done, did work gets skipped? You think you got done, and then

you know you wait all that time, okay, to go get it holdcause it's cool, we'll not cool it.

Speaker 2: But with the oil.

Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just making it Okay, I'm geting a bunch of excuses here, you know, I'm just saying, like something I could see how it could be resolved in a manner.

Speaker 2: I agree, and like I said, I believed that you should do everything to try to satisfy the customer. But

in this instance and how this all plays out, I kind decide with the garage, I have to go, okay, didn't oil changes, you didn't keep up with the cooling in it. You're driving around adding fluids to it instead

of doing the service to it. Like at some point

in time, you have to take the responsibility for that.

And the fact that inch went south can't be relied on them. You didn't do your due diligence. But like

I said, it's interesting that other problem and that the judge looked at it as you need to add that.

Now they didn't get in their favor to go bad in their favor. It was just like, I'm not going

to rule in the favor, but in the future, if you want to protect yourself securely, you might want to add all this right, which is just was mind blowing for me on that side of things.

Speaker 4: I was like, because they could argue that they assumed that you were going to take care of everything, They're gonna there, You're gonna make them whole, you know, And an.

Speaker 3: Kind of like in my list of things on the warranty contract, I like, got to do oil chains, gotta do rotation, have to replace blinker fluid blink or fluid, you know. I mean, I just put random stuff on

the list.

Speaker 2: It's just it's just it's crazy to me that you have to And I get it, trust me, I'm not upset with the way that that all that all goes down, right, I just look at it and go, it's just one more thing you have to You know that autogarages have to look out to protect themselves like they already have so much. If you don't believe, then Augigaradge has a

lot of things to protect the look after to protect themselves.

Your bonkers take over. Somebody was in the business it it.

I told you guys, I would do breaks on someone's car and they come back and go, my radio doesn't work, and I'm like, we didn't touch it, right, well worked before I gave it to you. There's a lot of

things you have to do to protect yourself. It's it

has always been mind boggling to me. I've had oh, well,

you know, you didn't oil change and I'm a horn doesn't work I'm like, you know your horn didn't order before you brought me the car, Come on, like you know what I mean. Like, and that one's interesting because

I think I told you guys in that one there was all kinds.

Speaker 4: Of wire add it to the horn Like that just shows you, like them not understanding like what it really, what's really going on?

Speaker 2: Well, one thing I do like is I like the fact that cars to a certain degreetael on you. Like

there's certain things you just can't hide, like if you've abused the people, like breaks I used to have back in the day. People's just coming out. You guys, put

these brakes in my car and they're horrible. They make

all kinds of noises. I'm like, okay, we'll leave with us.

Check it out, open it up, and there's hot spots everywhere in the rotor. And I'm like, because a guy

drives like a maniac and that's the only way that you get hot spots in the roaders from driving like a maniac. And I'm like, yeah, it makes noises, man,

because you drive like complete moron, you know what I mean?

But you can't say that the customer, but you know, the car told on him, right that stuff used to happen. So,

like I say, if you take your car to auto garage you have some issues, try to get resolved between them before you ever have to go to court, because it's just not worth it. In the end, nobody really wins.

You don't win, you didn't get what you want, the auto garage doesn't win. And really do you want somebody

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You're automotive specialist. Now back to your host Dave Polach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, all right, ready for the next story? Yes,

the answer is yes, yes, you are all right. So

I got a Hey Dave. I haven't had a hay

Dave in a while, but I got a hay Dave.

And if you don't know what a hey Dave is, where somebody sends me a letter that I saw I reading now that I don't get him. I get a

lot of stuff that people send me. I've told you

guys that before, I just I do pick and choose what I'm going to talk about. Sometimes it's great conversation

for me to answer your letter or your text or whatever, just between you and I. I just sometimes don't think

that it'll make a good segment for the show, So don't take it personal. But this one it roused my

interest because I had just read an article about this myself.

I want to say this last week or the week before.

It could be in the very beginning that we camera, but I was reading about it and it was about a market oils.

Speaker 5: You know.

Speaker 2: They asked me, Hey, Dave, what do you think about after mark oils? What's your take on them? That's it's

for me. It's a little bit of a loaded question.

We've touched and talked about aftermarket products and stuff. I

will say one after being in that business for a long period of time, I don't believe in adding anything to the transmission. If you're having transmission problems, it might

be ninety nine. Maybe transmission isn't one you all know

the song, but I don't believe in adding anything to it.

I think just anything you add to a transmission you were just trying to cover up a problem. A lot

of your fixes in a bottle when it comes to transmissions are really things that just make everything go worse.

You're you're saying they really don't work. No, they really

don't work. Again, and people say, I've used it. I've

been this argument a thousand times. Save your breath, please,

I've used this product forever and now tell you it works.

But it's like you said, it's there to hide a problem, right, it's there. It's there to hide a problem. What I

mean kind of problem is they're swelling agents and stuff like that in there that are too much. And everybody's

gonna say, well, certain products do have swelling. I know

certain brocs have a swelling agent in it, but some of these fixes in a bottle have a lot of it.

And what it does that makes the seals swell up to try to hide your problem if it's got an internal leak because it's going past a seal or something like that. And the problem is is you guys, remember

those those things we used to have when your kid, and I think you guys had them too. I think

it was just outside your guys agelement, but we had them a lot. You threw them in the water and

they grew to like five times the size and like a little like little spongies. Yeah yeah, yeah, right, it's

almost that exact kind of thing. Once it Once you

add that product something, you can't stop the swelling. Talk

about animals, No, they weren't see animals. They were like

and you had dinosaurs and stuff like that. You throw

them in the sponge group big, but it started off as like a little tattle like this big. It's the

same effect of that. It's not like the swelling agents

keep everything in right, right, It's it's the swelling age doesn't notice stop this like you only need the seal or grow maybe like a quarter of an inch, you know, I mean it doesn't know that. It just makes it

and then it gets floppy in there before you know, things start starting apart. So that's just on a transfer.

I just don't believe in had anything to transmits.

Speaker 4: Like a spirit tire. Right, It's there to get you

down the road, but not really there to you know, be there.

Speaker 2: It's not a fix in a bot right, right, So just like you guys, if you asked me what I think about fix the flat, I think it's the horrible thing.

Speaker 6: Uh.

Speaker 2: It may fix your problem temporarily, but people put it in, but it's not a permanent fix because it drives like concrete and the tire and the tires off balance and then all the different other problems goes on with it.

But that's a whole other thing. As far as oils,

engineered oils, so your aftermarket oils and people go high mile oils and stuff like that, they're like, what do you think about that? I'm okay with those because I

know they're engineered oils. And then people are gonna go, well,

don't those have some swelling agents in it? Yes, it

has a little bit in it, but it's different, a little bit different in a motor than it is in a transmission. Right, So certain gaskets that they're trying to

get to swell up little bit so the vehicle doesn't leak oil or seal something so you don't have a little bit of blow by whatever it may be. I'm okay,

hay with that, and I think it the longevity is proven because they've added things to the oil that lubricate and make the engine perform better. There's some cleaning agents

in it. I don't believe in putting cleaning agents and transmissions.

The reason why is because most of your clutches inside there are paper and it makes that paper flake off and then you have more slippitch over time. That's the

reason why I don't believe in transmissions. And a motor

is a little bit different. You add things as a

clean agent, which is designed as they say. I'm not

saying all the work the best, but it's supposed to remove some of the sludges inside the motor and stuff and get it cleaned off and which helps prolong the life of the motor. Did the motor does have to

work so hard to going through that sludge. So when

it comes to engineer oils, yes, I think there's a lot of technology that's been put into that that prolongs the life and motor. Now told I think I told

you guys a story. We bought a brand new car.

It was a Nissan. This was years ago, and it

had a Type one race oil whatever. I'd never seen

that sticker on anything until that time. But the car

knew had a sticker underneath it said it had to have that type of oil in it. And I didn't

buy it new used it was brand new. I bought

that car. I watched that car get rolled off the truck.

That's when I mean new it was. It come off,

literally off the truck, and we bought it. But I'd

never seen that sticker and it was and I can't remember what the rating wasn't the oil, but it had to have this certain type of Basically, it was a race and oil that car had to have. I got

in a hurry one time and I was at the garage as was years ago, and I didn't have You had to buy that and I didn't have it. And

I was like, and put the car need oil change because we were going out of town. And I was like,

do me a favorit. And I told one of my guys,

I said, bring the car in. I said, I brought

it in. Just do an old change on real quick.

We're going out of town. I want to make sure

it's got fresh oil in it. By the way, I

think I told you guys. I changed my oil before

and after road trips. Always have if I go on

a long road trip, and I got a drive eight hour road trip. It gets new oil in it before

I go on the road trip, and it gets new oil as soon as I come off the road trip.

You can do what you want to do. I just

always done that since I've owned cars. And by the way,

I get three hundred thousand miles out of my vehicles, So I'm doing something right now. Maybe I'm not. You're

gonna argue with me, right either way, I don't. It

doesn't matter to me. But that's just what I do.

I'm not saying that's you had to do it. I'm

just saying that's what I do. But I had to

do the oil change on that Nissan, and I was like, I had a synthetic, but I didn't have what it called for. And I'm like, okay, just throw the synthetic

in it. Whatever, and we do the synthetic in it.

We started the car, and I thought the car and it was going to explode. It was so loud, and

you think it wouldn't because oil's oil, and everybody's like, well, it was a different it was a different rate oil, and it was the same number like the whatever five W whatever you know it was it was or it was zero thirty or whatever. I can't remember what it was,

but it was the same number. It just wasn't that

particular race oil by Nissan that I had to use always get. I literally took the car off and they

turned it off, and then I stayed and I called and I had to run over to Nissan real quick to get the right oil because I didn't have it in stock. And I put it in, and then why

I put it in the car was whisper quiet again, but it so I can tell you there is a different in oils. If you don't think there is, there

is a different now not I don't know how I got stuck on it, but I put Royal purple in a lot of my vehicles nowadays. I've been doing it

for years. I like royal purple. UH as an aftermarket oil.

UH Cameron likes AMS oil. I put a put Ams

oil in. I've never been a huge Ams oil fan,

maybe because I haven't educated myself enough on the product.

Speaker 3: I have a certain reason why I put an. So

I started looking up, Well, my car hit one hundred and seventy five thousand miles last year, so I started looking up, you know, like what kind of fails. That's

when I started doing like the timing cover and stuff, and it started talking about like how the oem ACRAA oil is just the engine doesn't like the thickness anymore.

Speaker 2: After it goes like, yeah, okay, it makes sense.

Speaker 3: So I started looking it up and everybody started talking about AMS oil is lighter. So it's like the thickness is.

Speaker 2: It's oil, yeah, and then it's got molecules from hold it modifiers.

Speaker 3: It holds it to velocity as well, so it doesn't like thin out as much.

Speaker 2: That's what That's what engineered oil is.

Speaker 3: And I also am a heavy footer, so knowing looking up all that stuff, and I just went with AMS oil because it was like talking about how it flows through the engine.

Speaker 2: Camera. If you don't love your life, don't ride with

camera if you love your life.

Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, it's just I went with AMS oil because it was just lighter that after reading all the forums, Acura uh said that you know it was better for the car now, like you said, when you put in a different oil, you start to realize some things. One

thing I do realize when I use AMS oil is my cold start is a little bit louder than it was where, Yeah, can you use it or don't use it? Yeah,

so if I use it, it's a little bit louder.

And I started reading up on it. It's because it's

flowing all that oil. You can hear your lifts.

Speaker 2: Right tapping a little bit more pressures up until it starts to warm up.

Speaker 3: Then you don't hear it as much, or when you're going down the road you don't hear it ticking away.

But when you're an idol, then you hear the lifters and then really yeah, and they stay timers.

Speaker 2: Eventually go away. Eventually it goes away.

Speaker 3: But they just in the morning, in the morning during the cold start, and they say it's because.

Speaker 2: It's so you sure that the oil you're using is the exact same number? You know, I've never looked that up.

I mean, might be the reason why you hear that noise if it isn't the same you're talking about like five ws, because that would makes sense talk to people.

Speaker 3: And then the funny thing was, you know how you usually go to Walmart or you go to auto Zone and buy those big jugs and everything, and ams oil you.

Speaker 2: Can't buy it, and big jugs you gotta buy it but you could get it like a certain places one quarter one quarter thing one yep.

Speaker 3: And so my car takes six courts, you know, and how to get six individual bottles to.

Speaker 2: Get any car takes six courts. I think we take

a little bit more than that, especially if it's completely Yeah, I mean, well you're supposed to also kind of get something.

I want to where you learn that from. Like I said,

I liked royal purple, and I've used royal purple and a lot of my vehicles. It's in my in my

truck ride this second, I never had any loud noise and cold startup. I like when I read everything about

the way I leave. I like a lot of stuff

that they've added to the oil. It doesn't have a

whole lot of detergent in it. I know it has

a little bit in it. It's it's got definitely some

modifiers to it and stuff like that, which I think is great for the vehicle. And I've had a good

success like that, put in a lot different vehicles, and I've gotten long miles of the vehicles. Like I said,

if you have something better that you guys know of, let me know. But they answer your question on the hey, Dave,

I am for after market oils as long as they're a good brand, they have a good reputation. So like that,

do your research find out what you think works best.

I know Pennz Oil makes some good high mile oil and stuff like that. High mile oil is a way

to go. If you're not putting high oil in your

vehicle and you start to get miles on it, you might want to start doing some research and find out work works best for you. Guys. On that note, I

can't believe I could take another quick commercial break when we come back and end up the show and tell you guys a little bit about white noise because I have some updates on it. So hold tight. I'm you

right back.

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Speaker 2: Hi you ho neighbor. Yeah, that's right, we're back num kidding.

So before I've went, I couldn't resist. Before before I

went to commercial break, I was telling you guys that I had some updates on White Noise. So if you

guys don't know and you missed that episode, I put it out to you guys, and I said, what should we do with white Noise? So we were trying to

make the decision of you guys obviously know the car's white, but I wanted to make some decisions on coloring for maybe the bumpers or door handles or what we're going to do. So the decisions in what I posed to

you guys is some of the questions was I was kind of contemplating with going back to original or doing something a little different. What I mean different was is

I really kind of thought that I wanted to powder coat the door handles, and I wanted to powder coat and the mirrors or something. Well, I decided to number one.

If I didn't tell you guys, the car had bullet style mirrors on it that somebody had added. So if

you never remember the bulletstyle mirrors or Vincius bulletstyle, but most likely they probably came off of like a little newer Camaro because they were the bullet style, and I think I'm looking at these, I kind of think that's what they came off of, because they fit onto the Nova and they give you that enclosed housing, and I really kind of wanted to go back to a little bit more of their original mirror, which is an open framed mirror. You guys know what's on the Nova. I

found a really cool company that made a custom one that's bill it. And then I decided to go ahead

and go with the collective advice of everybody who thought it'd be kind of cool was to do like a black.

So I did satin black. So we got the door

handles that are ordered. Those are satin black. I got

the mirrors coming in. They're sat in black. I think

I'm gonna go ahead and pull the bumpers out of the body shop and send them off, and I'm gonna go and have them powder coate at satin black as well.

And then I got these. That's pretty cool. I want

to try these things. If you guys haven't checked them out,

maybe they're not for you. I don't know. I thought

they were neat. I saw them on a car at

a car show. They were a little different. They were plastic.

These so our car has because it was set up originally when we bought it, they were doing some race with the car. It already has hood pins in it,

and I don't like the old style hoodpins. I never

liked the wire. Nathaniel dreads the wire and hates it

as ugly as can be. But if it's your thing,

hey whatever, I'm not judge you. I just don't like it.

And then our car has even a more funkier design on it. It has the locky ones where you use

like almost the old soda machine key and you put it in an turnet. It's like a tumbler key and

you put it in a turnt that unlocks it and locks the hood. I'm not really worried about leaving this

car anywhere where anybody's gonna be able to pop my hood and steal anything. So I wasn't really worried about

the locks, but I wanted to keep with the theme of having the pins because a the holes already there in the hood, and I want something cool. So I

found these. Like I said, I saw them on a

car at a car show, but there's where like a hard plastic. These are powder coat it in their metal

and they are the push buttons where you push down and it pops the hood with pushing down. I thought

they're really neat, so I got these, and of course you know they're in a Matt black, so they're kind of they're going to go with the team of the car. Yeah,

it's classy looking and they're made really well. The metal

is actually really nice on them. I was actually really

surprised when they came in the other day and check them.

So I'm really excited about seeing how this looks. I

think it's gonna be a nice finishing touch. And we're

adding other thing. So I've been putting to you guys

as far as things to do with the car. So

one of my things that I have, I can't figure out what to do is I want the car to have a little bit of lower stand well not a little bit lower, quite a bit lower stance to it.

And I can't figure out if I want to tub it or if I want a mini tub it, which is just more money I wasn't planned on spending. The

other thing about it was is you guys know there's the trim around the windows. I think we got to

go ahead and pull that. It's already off at the

body shop. But I'm now that it's off, it's been

pulled off. I think I want to send that out

and have that powder coat it too. And but here's

here's my problem. So maybe you guys have a little

bit more knowledge in it than I do, and if you do, please send me an email. I'm looking at

the trim and maybe it looks like some of the trim has a little bit of bow in it, and I'm thinking that's where the clips hold the trim on in the car. And I'm talking about it, particularly the

trim that goes up and around all the windows, and everybody's like well, maybe when you put the clips on it, you push it in, you know it keep that bow isn't there because it's held with the clip in that particular snap. Then I'm afraid to take the trim that

I have and send it out and have power coate it and then come to find out that I was wrong and that actually has a little bit of a vendon that's probably not supposed to and you I'll never get it fully out to my satisfaction. You guys know,

if you guys look at the bad am it's being built.

It's been taken apart and put back together several times because me nitpicking things that I didn't like. I don't

want to fall into that with this car. So I

think the best result for me is just to buy new replacement for it and then send that out to be powder coated, so I know that all the trim's perfect and it doesn't have any little dings in or anything that I can't I'm not really I won't really see intil it's power coated. I'm curious what your guys

thought is. I think this is the best way to

go on the car because I am a nitpicker on little things and I think that if I take the old trim and I have all of it, and I actually have more than one set of it, I have some pieces that came with the car. I think maybe

we're on it before and then somebody replace some. But

everything I have is not repopped. Everything I have right

this second is original trim. Obviously, what I buy now

is going to be you know, new replacement. You know,

which is fine, it's original equipment replacement OERE. But you know,

guys know what I mean. And I think that'll work

fine for what I'm doing for I think I'll look good on the car, and then at least I know when I powder coate it, I don't have any I won't have any weird bends or nicks or anything like that.

They're going to show up that I didn't really pay too much of attention to. And now I paid five

hundred dollars to have it powder coat it, and I'm upset not to say, this is going to.

Speaker 4: Cost to save yourself a headache.

Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. I'm trying to like. My fear

is is I'll send what I have out, get it powder coated, and then anything I'm not going to be happy anything. I didn't see it, and now I spent

money to have it powder coat it, and they'll buy new again and have it powder coat it again. I

could probably just avoid all that and just buy the replacement, have it powder coat it, and it will look good on the car, and I know I won't have any issues.

I think that's just easiest. Now. It's a trim cheap

to a certain degree, not really, I mean, I think I found the whole trim kit for the car for like twelve hundred bucks. I'm thinking I'm thinking the most

five hundred dollars powder code at all. So I was

seventeen bucks and seventeen hundred dollars in trim that I didn't plan on spending on the car because I was trying to, As I told you guys, I'm bought it.

I trying to put it together without spending a whole lot of money and or deep dive into this thing.

I actually want to get it down the road and enjoy it and let you guys see it too. So

I don't know, I'll figure it out. You guys tell

me what you think i'd do. I think I already

know what I want to do. I think, but maybe

I'm wrong. Maybe you guys say, just try it, But

it's the money factor is what's scared me. I'm just afraid.

I just know every time I get that gut feeling that I should do something, and I don't do what my gut tells me, it's always comes out exactly what I thought was going to happen. I just think I

want to powder coat this and I'm not going to be happy with it. It's easier just to buy replacement

powder coat it put on the car and it'll look good.

Like I said, as far as the bumpers, the reason why I haven't done anything with the bummers yet is I was actually waiting for the party to come in this and I was waiting for the handles. So I

want to make sure that when I set out with the power code it right, that it comes out. Everybody's like, well,

isn't isn't, Matt, Matt, It isn't like a SAT and a SAT, And I'm like, it is. But I've seen

different pigments of blacks. I want to make sure that

the pigment's right because I hate for it to be so do I think it's gonna be exact maybe not, but I don't want to be so far off that it doesn't clearly right right. I want it to be.

I want the car to come out nice, and you guys like what we do too, so when it gets done, so hopefully we're moving in the right direction. Like I said,

I think I told you guys, I did get a chance to take a peek of the car. There's still

lots of stuff going on with it. It's starting to

come around. I'm really hoping that we have this car

out by April. The deadline for it was in in March,

very beginning of April, so I could have the car out out for you guys to see it. So I'm

really hoping we hit that deadline. But the more I

get near the car, the more I keep nitpicking things like I just see little things. I'm like, well, now

that's starting to look good. I really ought to do

some of that, and I really have to at some point stop, you know, let us try to enjoy it and maybe buy the things as we enjoy it. So

maybe it gets driven uncomplete, is not completed yet just enough where we can enjoy it. But yes, I am

seeing some things. I keep on going. I really want

to buy that, And I'm really the check book is feeling it, so I'm really trying to like relax the check book. I think I spent two grand on the

car the other day in matter thirty minutes, just for a thirty minute session standing in front of the car, going well, maybe I ought to get this, maybe ought to get that, and so yeah, it keeps happening to me, just so you guys know. Oh yeah, and by the way,

I did buy uh new trim panels for the marker lights, and I got those in that too, So I bought those.

Those pection costs money, so I'm wait for those to come, which then leaves the question, see how this works. This

is the snowball. That's how it happens to me. The

back bezels flights for around the back of the tail lights, I believe on that car or black and chrome, so I almost think that they probably need to be done out in black.

Speaker 3: You remember blue is going into the shape character.

Speaker 2: He's like, don't you remember that? We the blue goes

in the shop right after this. If you guys don't know,

blue blues are Chevy pickup truck. That's the next project

that's been on the back burner for a very long time.

Speaker 4: It has not a lot to do with Blue.

Speaker 2: But there's not. But it's gonna It's gonna be body

work there. It's it's old and needs it runs fun.

The truck runs great. We're just gonna drop it, put

some wheels on it. Fired up right now, all right, Blue.

We've been waiting Blue for a while. And I do

feel bad because we did skip white noise in front of Blue. Blue was supposed to be the next one,

but I came across with the steal on this car and we had to have you feel too. It does, yeah,

especially because the birch crapped on it the other day and now it's got a bird crap on it. But

that can be brenched off anyway. You guys, let me

know what you guys think. Like I said, I think

one the direction going to I think we're heading in the right direction. I'm excited about getting this thing out,

putting some final touches on it, and actually be able to enjoy it. I know there's a couple of things

we had to do before we drive around. But the

good thing about it is is, like I said, car fires up. The cars nasty, so that's the exciting thing

about it. If you guys got any questions anything I

didn't know, or have any advice, would you guys think we ought to do it? You guys, let me know,

you know, reach me. He'd be over at Dave Let's

talk Cars Radio, Send us a text whatever it is.

On that note, guys, the show is over. I got

to get out of here. Enjoy your Saturday. Don't forget.

I said, come out and see us. We're gonna be

out over at seventeenth Street. And like I said, I

believe they have it on Sunday. It's gonna be over

at pro Shine as well. So go over to their site.

Look it up all the different times and stuff, so you guys can get in there, spend some money, doing some money. Do what you gotta do. I'm gonna get out.

You guys got anything for we get out here.

Speaker 4: Enjoy a weekend.

Speaker 2: You guys, enjoy a weekend. Don't forget. It is Saturday

Sundays right around the corner. Make sure you unplugs, spend

some time with their kids, playboard game with them, fire with the barbecue, hid their phones. Whatever you gotta do it.

They'll enjoy it and they'll talk about it for the rest of your life. We're out here, talk to you soon.

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