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Hello, and welcome to a very special, The Fast and the Curious, post Abu Dhabi
03:55
Grand Prix debrief with me, Greg James, and him, Christian Hugo. In Abu Dhabi,
04:01
he's currently in the United Arab Emirates. Christian Hugo, welcome.
04:05
Greg, thank you. It is a joy to be here. Sat. I can see the circuit in the distance
04:10
across the marina, and there is lots of partying and lights and atmosphere, and it's all very exciting.
04:16
Make sure you're subscribing on our YouTube channel and on the podcast feeds, because this is
04:20
the home of your previews and your debriefs and big driver interviews. We have that all
04:25
across the season, and what a season it's been. Christian, we have a new world champion,
04:31
and that world champion is Lando Norris. I actually think that our celebrations for Lando
04:47
were slightly more exciting than some of the ones we saw on the live coverage from Abu Dhabi.
04:53
It felt quite flat at times, aside from his wonderful post race interview
04:57
and the lovely one with Jensen Button. All the rest of it felt quite weird,
05:01
didn't it? Well, the cool-down room did, because yes, there was that moment where
05:05
everybody came in, and in the cool-down room, nobody really said anything.
05:08
And then that bloat walked in. Stefano Diminicali. Yes, CEO of Formula One.
05:14
Yeah, no, we don't just leave them alone a little bit. Leave them alone.
05:18
Tend to agree. But yes, it all felt a touch
05:21
flat in there, despite the fact we just crowned the world champion, because obviously,
05:24
I also think they were being quite respectful to each other of some people being very
05:27
disappointed and all of that. And let's be honest, the reason it felt a little flat was
05:33
because the race wasn't spectacular. And for McLaren, that is the best possible scenario.
05:38
There's been all the drama that we've spoken about in terms of the disqualifications in Vegas,
05:44
the **** up of strategies in Qatar, and the fact that it all felt a little bit flat because
05:49
it was actually a little bit of an anticlimax in the end is perfect for McLaren, because,
05:54
well, that's exactly what they wanted. They wanted uneventful. They wanted, in Lando's case,
05:59
Lando to do enough. And that's exactly what happened. We wanted drama and safety cars and
06:05
ups and downs. McLaren wanted it to be just business as usual and just do what we need to do.
06:10
And that's exactly what they did. And yes, it meant that we got a little bit of a flat end
06:15
to the season in terms of the race. But what we do have is a brand new Formula One world
06:21
champion, Lando Norris. Yep. For the first time in four years, F1 has a brand new world champion.
06:27
We'll talk about Oscar. We'll talk about Max. We'll talk about Lando across this next half hour
06:31
or so. Can you give us the story of the race though? Because there was a lot of hype and I
06:36
was worried just before lights out that I'd hype myself up too much. And I was right to be
06:43
worried because actually it was a relatively dull race, apart from, I guess, the Yuki Sonoda moment
06:51
where there was a little bit of, oh my God, what is he doing? Lando, it's going to be okay. It's
06:57
going to be okay. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. That weaving from Yuki was
07:01
absolutely wild. But look, what is the story of that race today? I would agree with you.
07:07
A bit of a flat race in isolation. Obviously, the fact it's gone down to the end and
07:11
we've had three drivers who could win it is wonderful. The race itself a bit flat. Yes,
07:16
Greg, that was a moment of drama. The biggest moment of drama though. Off the line, everybody held
07:20
position. All fine. But Oscar sweeping round the outside of Lando at turn nine on lap one
07:26
was A, Jolien Palmer said it in commentary, the move of the season. Jolien said, I could
07:32
not agree more. Phenomenal, brave, skillful, precise overtaking from Oscar Piastri. When the
07:39
pressure is as high as you could possibly wish for it to be, Annie nailed it. And that's what I said
07:45
in the preview with Betty. All he needs to do is do everything he can. And from that moment on,
07:49
he did that. But it didn't matter in the end because Norris made his first stop shortly after
07:55
the Clare did, covered him off. Then Greg, there was the moment, as you said, when he was
08:01
battling with Yuki and Yuki made a couple of weaves on the straight, which now you can
08:06
say what you like about the rules or whether you like them by the rules. That is a penalty.
08:09
The penalty was given. As you said, Greg, the F1 world was tense going, is Lando going to be
08:14
given a penalty for moving off the track? That would have been extraordinarily harsh.
08:18
He didn't. Again, a bit later, Le Clare pitted for the second time. Lando immediately,
08:24
super strategy straight away, pitted to cover off any potential undercut.
08:28
Oscar Piastri stayed out. Max Verstappen didn't. Max ended up overtaking him anyway. And then
08:34
Oscar tried to hunt down Max at the end of the race, but it was too late. And as you said,
08:38
Greg, as we've said, fairly standard, fairly flat, fairly dull in terms of an individual
08:42
Grand Prix. The 2025 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix will not go down in the history books. But what Will
08:48
is formula one has a brand new world champion, is a new Brit world champion. It is Lando, Norris.
08:55
And Greg, I have to say, I'm delighted for him. I absolutely am delighted for him.
09:01
How can we not be? How can we not be anything other than so excited for a brilliant man,
09:10
a British man, a talented racing driver, by all accounts, a great team player within that
09:17
McLaren unit as well. He's had to deal with this newcomer, Oscar Piastri, nipping at his heels.
09:23
He's had the outside noise of Max Verstappen and the fans and Lando fans and F1 fans going.
09:31
He hasn't got what it takes. He can't do it. He's had those races where he said to himself,
09:35
I don't know if I can do this. I'm not driving very well. I'm not very good. I can't do it.
09:38
He's overcome all the demons. He's overcome all the all the obstacles and kept his call today
09:45
in an amazing way. I thought I just I'm so thrilled for him because he is a great bloke.
09:53
Clearly, an amazing driver and the world champion. Statistically, this year, the best driver.
10:01
It's so exciting to see what happens now. What happens now with the boosting confidence that
10:07
gives you having a Christmas time, having a little break now as the world champion,
10:12
coming back next year with the rule changes. What happens now? This is exciting again.
10:16
This is exactly why we wanted to start this podcast. It's only taken three years for
10:20
us to make it exciting, and it's happened. Absolutely. Greg, you said there he was
10:28
overtaken by Oscar, and yes, he didn't beat Max Tepole, but he did what he needed to do. One
10:31
of those examples was the way he cut through the cars when he came out after the first start
10:34
with the traffic. He did everything he needed to do today. He kept his call in an unbelievably
10:40
high pressure situation when you arrive in a Grand Prix weekend as the points leader.
10:45
We'll get into all of that, but Gregory, before we do, should we go through the top 10?
10:49
Yes, we'll do the top 10. Just before we move on to the top 10, as you were saying there,
10:55
in a way, having options, having a buffer of like, well, you'll win the title if you get
11:02
first, second, or third is kind of a nightmare. You almost want it to be, you have to finish
11:07
in this position to win the title because obviously the margin for error is greater,
11:13
but also you'll look like a bigger **** if you mess it up.
11:17
Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you don't get a podium and you're suddenly fourth or fifth, you're like,
11:23
I've just, I can't believe I've blown that. Anyway, that didn't happen, and there's no
11:27
point in talking about that. Anyway, let's do your top 10 and a 10. It's Gabriel Bortoletto.
11:34
At nine, it's Ollie Bearman. Eight, we've got Lewis Hamilton. Esteban Ocon at seven,
11:39
Fernando Alonso at six. Good race from him. George Russell slipped down a couple of places,
11:44
down a place from his, from his grip position to five. Charles Leclerc had a very quick drive
11:50
at four. Lando Norris, our new world champion, finished third. That's his 18th podium of
11:57
the season. Oscar Piastri with a great drive, not quite enough for the title, finished
12:00
in second position. And for his eighth win of the season, he's won more races than any other
12:05
driver. This is out on the title. It's Max Verstappen. That's a really interesting fact,
12:11
isn't it? And what, what's the noise out there? Is it a little, it sounds like a float going
12:16
past or something? No, it's a, it's a boat, which looks like it's turned on a smoke machine,
12:21
is what it is. Great. That's fun. For no apparent reason, there's just a smoking boat.
12:28
Eighth one of the season for Max Verstappen, that's, he mentioned that he needs some new
12:33
haters because all the other haters have turned into fans. I don't think he's far wrong with that.
12:39
His season this season has made a lot of people have gone, well, I don't know how much was up and
12:44
go. I quite like Max Verstappen for what he's done here this season. Hasn't it just, hasn't it
12:50
just yet phenomenal? And that's that we'll, we'll dig into when we talk about Max in a moment.
12:55
So we should look at the final driver standings, shouldn't we? Which Lando Norris,
13:00
423 points, the 35th world champion in Formula One history. And then Greg, as you were just
13:07
saying, Max Verstappen with all those wins, just two points behind, 421 points. And then Oscar
13:14
Piastri in third on 410. And Greg, we'll, we'll, we'll do Max in great detail because I want,
13:21
I want to talk about that. But we should start with Lando Norris, shouldn't we?
13:26
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a weekend that he will obviously remember for this moment, but the weekend
13:35
as a whole for him wasn't his best at all. It wasn't his best weekend. But it was good enough,
13:46
which in the circumstances with the pressure on is really impressive. If you see what I mean,
13:51
it wasn't like Abu Dhabi last year where he sort of came out and dominated and he won the race and
13:56
you think, wow, that was amazing. It wasn't that sort of weekend, but he did enough. And Zach Brown
14:01
in an interview over the weekend actually said, and he said, he's sure that Lando wouldn't mind
14:05
him saying that he thought there were a couple of nerves at one stage. And particularly at the
14:10
start of Q1, you saw those nerves a little bit. It was all a bit tentative, but he did enough.
14:18
And actually, yes, Max did the better job in qualifying, but Lando just beat his teammate.
14:26
Fine, he did enough. Oscar, the thing is, Greg, Oscar's got the ability to be super brave and go
14:32
around the outside and do a majestic move into whatever turn it was, turn nine or something.
14:37
I can't remember, but he's got the ability to do that because he's got nothing to lose.
14:40
Whereas to your point, Greg, at the start of the pod, Lando had everything to lose.
14:44
So yeah, take this weekend in isolation, you'd say, Lando missed out on pole,
14:48
and then Lando was beaten by his teammate. He did enough. So a very good weekend from Lando
14:56
Norris considering the supreme pressure he was under to not just win a title for Max Verstappen,
15:01
but his teammate as well. To do what he did, I think was amazingly impressive.
15:06
Amazingly impressive. Well done, Lando Norris. You came to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
15:11
and, my friends, you did everything you needed to do.
15:14
Where in this season was this one by Lando? Therefore, where could it have been lost?
15:22
As we always talk about, fine margins, et cetera, where were those moments that stick
15:27
out to you that were the moments you thought, oh, looking back now, that's where he won it?
15:33
So I'm going to be, permission to be smug a moment, Greg.
15:37
Always. Thank you. It's interesting because you don't normally ask for permission.
15:44
Rude and uncalled for, I think, actually, Derek. Come on. It's been a long season.
15:51
It's been a long season. How long ago did Melbourne feel? It feels like 35 years ago.
15:55
Yeah, 1976, the Australian Grand Prix was this year. Yeah. Well, that one out, Stats fans.
16:00
At the start of the season, I said, these guys are going to be so close.
16:04
And I drew a comparison between the 2012 Formula One season,
16:08
where Fernando Alonso was in it right until the end. The last race was in Brazil back in
16:13
those days when this was all sand. And Fernando stayed into the end of the season.
16:19
Despite the fact, I think he only won three races all season,
16:22
but he was phenomenally consistent, phenomenally consistent.
16:27
He just stuck it on the podium all the time and stayed in the title race to the last.
16:31
So, Lando Norris this year, missed out on the podium in Saudi, but that was fourth.
16:36
He made his mistake in Canada where he hit Oscar, and that was 18th.
16:40
The Dutch Grand Prix had his engine problem, so classified 18th, but didn't finish the race.
16:45
They were off the pace in Baku and finished seventh. The bad weekend for McLaren there.
16:50
Then they were disqualified in Vegas, and he was just off the podium in Qatar.
16:55
Aside from that, Lando Norris finished on the podium in every single race.
17:01
First, second, second. Then into Monaco, second Imola.
17:05
Sorry, then into Miami, second Imola, second Spain, second.
17:08
Basically, what I'm saying is what I think won the championship for Lando Norris in the end,
17:14
even though there were moments where we'll have done these debriefs and gone.
17:17
Lando didn't do as much as he could have done this weekend,
17:20
and Oscar had his phenomenal stint in the season.
17:23
While all that was happening, Lando was still keeping himself in contention.
17:28
Bar the odds moment like Canada by being superbly consistent
17:34
and doing seconds and thirds and sticking it on the podium exactly like Fernando did in 2012.
17:39
That's why he was able to stick it in and ride out.
17:44
There was such a long point this season where Oscar was the better McLaren driver.
17:48
There was all these moments where McLaren have slightly fudged it with
17:52
the pivals, which we'll talk about in a minute, but Lando Norris stuck in there by being consistent.
17:58
And we should say on top of that has also had awesome weekends like Monaco,
18:03
where it's like, wow, you just can't touch him.
18:06
He's a hugely worthy world champion, and he's done enough by being
18:11
Mr consistent and having some barnstorming performances when he needed to.
18:15
It's been great that it has been an up and down season for lots of the drivers.
18:18
It does make it more interesting for us as viewers and fans.
18:23
It keeps us all guessing.
18:25
I guess it's a real test for the drivers to the point where Max Verstappen was really tested.
18:31
You know, he was really tested towards the end of it.
18:33
He could have won it today.
18:34
That was potential.
18:37
So that would have been a new position for him to win the championship from behind
18:41
would have been a new thing for him.
18:43
On that, I am really interested to hear from some newer Formula One fans
18:48
who maybe only came to the sport three or four years ago,
18:52
because they'll have to get their head around the fact that
18:54
it's not always plain sailing for the world champion.
18:58
You don't just, you don't just win, win, win, win, win,
19:01
like Max has the last few years.
19:02
That doesn't, that is a, that's freak.
19:04
That's freaky behavior.
19:06
This is much more what it's usually like.
19:10
The way that there is a battle,
19:13
not necessarily the final race of the season,
19:15
but where it does tend to ebb and flow throughout the season.
19:19
This is a, this has been a real,
19:20
it's been a classic season, hasn't it really?
19:23
It's been a great season.
19:24
And as you said that he's ebbed and flowed.
19:26
And I think one of those areas where
19:29
Betty speaks about it a lot.
19:30
Betty's always really fascinated by Lando's mentality and mindset.
19:34
And it was a stick used to beating with.
19:37
And when it has ebbed and flowed,
19:39
when he was, Lando was sort of in a downward moment in the past,
19:42
you'd see him really beat himself up.
19:44
And that just isn't good for anybody.
19:46
And then I was so impressed with, as I said,
19:48
his biggest horror show of the season
19:50
was hitting Oscar in Canada.
19:52
And I was at that race and I watched him in the media pen
19:56
where the drivers did the interviews after.
19:57
I stood on the side and watched.
19:59
He just seemed so calm and he'd made a howler.
20:02
But I was like, that was a really interesting moment
20:04
at the season for me where it was like,
20:06
he's recovered from a howler,
20:07
but he's not beating himself up like we've seen in the past.
20:09
It's just like, yeah, that was a mistake.
20:11
Guess what? Mistakes happen.
20:12
We're human. I move on.
20:14
And then again, even when Oscar was getting the better of him,
20:17
to the point I made before about him having the seconds and thirds,
20:20
he just sort of did what he needed to do
20:21
and he didn't get carried away.
20:22
He didn't get carried away with the lows.
20:25
His, he's chilled out more.
20:27
And I think that more chilled out version of Lando
20:30
is the version that's come into this weekend.
20:32
And as I said, does, has done what he's needed to do.
20:35
So I think he's improved as the season's gone on.
20:41
Because of those ebbs and flows, Greg,
20:42
he's, he's been able to ride the waves more.
20:44
And I think that's the massive part
20:45
of the reason why he's world champion.
20:47
This stuff's hard. And he's young.
20:49
It's well out. They're all young.
20:50
Oh, they're children.
20:52
They're, they're having to grow up in the public gaze.
20:54
Can we answer that at least seven?
20:57
They're having to grow up in the public gaze
20:59
and make these mistakes and try and learn who they are
21:02
as people. And it feels like Lando's
21:06
well on that journey now of going,
21:07
yeah, this is what I'm, this is what I'm about now.
21:09
This is, this is my stuff.
21:10
I've got my, I've got my life
21:12
that I'm building around my, my mad career.
21:15
I've got, that's, this is how I, this is how I switch off.
21:17
This is, these are the people I call
21:19
when I'm feeling sad.
21:20
These are the day trips I like to do
21:22
when I need to de-stress.
21:23
Like all those things are really important
21:26
And when you're living it publicly,
21:28
it must be incredibly difficult.
21:29
So full credit to him and the team
21:32
around him and his family and his parents
21:34
and his friends and his girlfriend and everybody
21:35
that they're, they're all part of this
21:37
because you can't do this on your own.
21:40
And it looks like a very, it, you know,
21:42
he looks like a very accomplished young man
21:46
without sounding like an old lady.
21:47
But that he, he was wearing that championship.
21:52
Well, that announcement with, you know, with pride.
21:54
And he can, he can afford to be swaggering around a bit now.
21:58
And in the years I've been a Formula One fan
22:01
and then been lucky enough
22:02
to become a Formula One presenter
22:04
and moved into the sport.
22:05
I've seen him grow up around me.
22:06
I've seen him go from the first ever time
22:08
I interviewed Lando and Aris
22:09
from way before his first event
22:11
where he looked like a nervous child
22:12
because he literally was,
22:14
to growing into this confident man
22:16
who knows what he's about,
22:17
who knows he wants to be a Formula One world champion
22:19
and now is, but wasn't wanting to change the way he does it
22:23
to become a different person.
22:25
That's something that as a human being
22:26
I've always really admired about Lando and Aris.
22:28
He's done that really, really well.
22:31
He has, he's grown up
22:34
and he's become a world champion
22:35
and you said at the start of the podcast
22:36
Greg, it's exciting for what's next
22:38
because sometimes, you know,
22:39
the confidence that gives people
22:40
can unlock second, third wins in,
22:42
in, wins in careers, you know,
22:45
as they level up and improve
22:46
and we've seen Lando level up in
22:48
and improve this year.
22:49
So, and, and also one thing
22:52
we won't do in this podcast at the end
22:54
and we'll do it with only one bit
22:56
is we normally do Radio Radar.
22:58
To me, there is only one moment
22:59
of Radio Radar this week
23:02
and that is Lando at the end of the,
23:05
at the end of the race
23:06
and the way he said,
23:09
I love you mom and I love you dad.
23:11
I've not told this story on the podcast
23:13
but I watched qualifying for Vegas
23:16
in the McLaren hospitality building
23:19
and I watched his dad's Adam
23:23
look like the most nervous, worried man.
23:26
You could see the electricity
23:28
flowing through him as he,
23:29
he wasn't, you know, when people's
23:31
knees jangle, it was like
23:34
his whole leg was jangling.
23:36
It was like he was banging
23:37
his leg on the floor with the nerves.
23:40
They'll have gone through it with him
23:41
and it was, it was just,
23:42
it was just so lovely to see his dad
23:44
with so much passion
23:44
he came through him and caring
23:46
and Lando's so lucky to be able to
23:48
have his mom and dad there to witness it.
23:51
It's a lovely thing.
23:53
Me and Betty both said
23:54
in the Fast and Curious group,
23:57
You know, it's the human emotion side of it.
24:00
It's certainly why me and Betty love the sport.
24:02
I know Greg, it's a massive part of it for you as well,
24:04
the human emotion side of things.
24:06
That emotion, that him crying his eyes out
24:08
as he crossed the line.
24:09
That's why we're sport fans.
24:10
That's why we love this sport.
24:11
It was a joy to see him.
24:12
And listen, Greg, you've met him on a number of occasions.
24:16
I'm lucky enough to speak to him quite a bit.
24:18
Always such a lovely guy.
24:20
Always a very nice guy to talk to.
24:22
Even in the, you can tell when it's,
24:24
you can tell with him
24:25
when he's finding it tough, you know,
24:26
that the spark goes a little bit
24:28
when there's the pressure inevitably,
24:31
But on a human level, I'm so happy for him.
24:34
And he deserves this.
24:35
I'm so happy that he'll be able to.
24:37
Jensen Button has this inner peace about him
24:39
for being a Formula One World Champion.
24:41
From when he won that championship,
24:43
he can just, and Nick Rossberg's the same.
24:46
Landon will always have this.
24:47
He'll always be a Formula One World Champion
24:49
no matter what happens for the rest of his career.
24:51
And I'm so pleased he's in that elite club.
24:53
I think he deserves it.
24:54
I'm so pleased for him.
24:56
Yeah. Couldn't agree more.
24:57
Nothing more to add on that.
25:01
He did the thing that everyone wants to do.
25:03
And he's, and he can wear that with pride forever.
25:06
And actually, yeah, you're spot on.
25:12
Obviously takes it all very, very seriously
25:15
And he has a great load of people around him,
25:17
as we were saying, including that McLaren team.
25:20
And I just, I would love to shout out Will Joseph.
25:23
And I'd love to shout out Harry who does all the sort of PR stuff.
25:28
And Sophie Og as well who left half of the season.
25:30
This is all, this is all theirs.
25:32
This is all their thing.
25:33
And Sophia, and Sophia made it as well.
25:36
So the two Sophie's can't be forgotten at McLaren yet.
25:39
The double Sophie combo.
25:43
And all of that team, really amazing work from all of them.
25:47
We were there at the end of last season,
25:49
weren't we doing our show from the MTC?
25:52
And, you know, good season.
25:54
They were like, it's going to be good next year, isn't it?
25:56
And they went, yeah, we think it might be.
25:58
Yeah, it bloody was.
26:00
Constructors, again, second time on the bounce for that.
26:04
You've got the world champion.
26:05
You've got Oscar Piastri who was third in the driver standings as well.
26:09
Can we finally say that Papaya rules actually are pretty good and they smashed it?
26:17
Can we say they smashed it?
26:20
Okay, can we say that Papaya rules okay?
26:23
Okay, yeah, because listen, they won the world championship with DriversWise by a couple of points.
26:28
If I'm putting my sports journalist head on, and you know me, Greg,
26:32
I'm a terribly serious sports journalist who takes everything very seriously.
26:37
But if I'm going to do that for a second,
26:39
they should have won this championship by more.
26:41
And there were times this season where they've made b***** ups
26:43
because I think they were overthinking it.
26:45
That said, bloody work, isn't it?
26:49
They had a driver win a world championship.
26:51
Oscar Piastri ends the season in a position where he can rev up and go again.
26:55
And he might not think every decision's gone his way and his fans certainly won't.
26:59
But, you know, there is no conspiracy at McLaren.
27:02
Oscar will start again and be in a position to fight for world championships again
27:05
and we'll come on to that in a bit.
27:07
But yeah, so ultimately, they didn't cock it up, Greg.
27:11
They got the title that they needed to have because let's be honest,
27:14
this is the quickest car.
27:16
So if they hadn't had won the title, it would have been a tragedy.
27:18
But thankfully for all those wearing papaya, they did.
27:22
Well, how many years ago was the last McLaren driver world champion?
27:28
Well, with Lewis Hamilton in 2008.
27:31
Right, 17 years ago.
27:34
So to our point about Lando getting...
27:39
We've said this about lots of drivers.
27:41
Oscar getting used to winning, Lando getting used to winning.
27:45
When he won in Miami, you know, last season,
27:48
you get used to it.
27:49
You get used to this stuff.
27:51
You've got to cut all these people a bit of slack
27:54
because they're operating at a very high level.
27:57
And the stakes are incredibly high.
28:01
And, you know, there's a lot of money at stake.
28:04
There's a lot of pride.
28:05
All of this mad stuff going on, which, you know,
28:07
we don't really truly understand the levels that they have to operate
28:11
and the money they have to deal with.
28:13
But I'm talking about the team as a whole.
28:14
With a team like McLaren,
28:16
they're also learning how to win again.
28:18
Can you agree more?
28:19
These aren't the same people that did that 17 years ago.
28:24
There'll be a couple.
28:25
There'll be a couple of people, you know,
28:28
consulting and being there and all of that.
28:29
But also the world has completely changed from 17 years ago.
28:33
And we were living through the Red Bull Max Verstappen dynasty.
28:36
So they deserve a lot of credit for pushing through that
28:41
and also holding their nerve
28:43
because it's clearly not easy.
28:44
Otherwise, they would just do it.
28:46
So winning becomes a habit for all these people.
28:49
And it's taken a long time to do this.
28:51
So you're going to be shaky because you're going to be like,
28:54
oh my God, 17 years, we can't f**k it up again.
28:57
Yeah. And their intentions were honourable.
28:59
Just briefly before we got to the break and the Max and Oscar,
29:02
their intentions were honourable.
29:03
You know, they wanted to keep both drivers in it.
29:05
They should be praised for that.
29:06
That is a good thing.
29:08
It's kept it interesting.
29:09
It's kept it good to go out.
29:11
So they should be praised for that.
29:12
And the meteoric rise of McLaren
29:14
under Zach Brown and his team
29:16
since the dark days of the 2010s has been remarkable.
29:20
So Greg, you've summed it up so well.
29:24
Then we'll chat about Oscar.
29:25
We'll chat about Max.
29:26
And we'll look at the final constructors' standings
29:29
and what that means for next year.
29:32
Christian, the end of the season
29:34
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29:36
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29:40
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29:41
when that final race of the season comes around, aren't we?
29:44
I mean, I'm usually ready for a break
29:46
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29:47
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29:50
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29:52
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We're back on the Fast and the Curious.
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It's the Abu Dhabi Doody Brief.
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And, uh, Kristyn Hughill, is where are you again?
35:10
I'm sort of near my hotel, to be honest.
35:12
Just looking out across the marina, uh, in Abu Dhabi, yes.
35:16
Yeah. Oh, sorry, the Yaaas Marina.
35:18
Yaaas Marina Circuit.
35:20
Thank you to the 953,000 people who've deem me that
35:23
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35:25
I'm grateful for it.
35:25
And I didn't do it on the preview
35:26
and I'd like to apologize fully and frankly for that.
35:28
So, Yaaas Marina Circuit.
35:30
Thank you. Well, I've been texting that to you all week.
35:32
You have and you're not the only one, my friend.
35:40
Yes, I'm happy to do so.
35:41
I know the answer to this question,
35:42
but I'm going to ask it anyway.
35:44
Could anyone else have done what he's just done this season?
35:48
No. And again, this weekend's an example of it.
35:50
I don't genuinely believe the Red Bull car
35:53
was quickest going into this weekend.
35:54
I think McLaren probably had the just advantage here.
35:57
But I think what makes him so special is he thrives under pressure.
36:06
I mentioned earlier that Lando came into the weekend
36:09
with a bit of nerves.
36:10
It's like they don't affect Max.
36:12
He just thrives under the pressure
36:14
and I just think that's remarkable.
36:16
I think it's absolutely remarkable.
36:19
So, no, no one could have elongated this title battle
36:25
And we've also, in the same way that before the break,
36:27
you praised McLaren, Greg.
36:29
We've also got to praise Red Bull.
36:31
Basically, post-horner, really.
36:33
That was the turning point.
36:35
Since then, the improvement in that car
36:38
to give Max the position to do that has been remarkable.
36:40
The only thing I will say is,
36:43
listen, there are so many moments in a world championship.
36:45
If Kimmy Antonelli hadn't had a snap of oversteer,
36:48
Lando wouldn't have won the championship
36:50
from when that happened last time out.
36:52
But, we could also say,
36:56
if Max hadn't purposely hit George
36:59
and got a penalty that took him down to 10th
37:01
in the Spanish Grand Prix,
37:02
he might well have been the world champion.
37:04
But listen, that's unbelievably harsh on Max
37:06
because he admitted he was in the wrong there
37:07
and all the great Schumacher, Senna,
37:10
all of them go a bit too far.
37:12
So, we can't be too hard on Max there.
37:14
He's had a wonderful, remarkable season.
37:17
Because all the things that make these people great
37:21
also sometimes make these people terrible.
37:24
And bubble over a bit.
37:26
And that's why you get,
37:27
but you only get Max for Stappen
37:29
because you enjoy both sides of his personality.
37:31
And that's one of the reasons
37:33
top-level sport is so, so brilliant.
37:35
Can you channel all your energies
37:40
for good and positively?
37:42
And it's clearly very difficult to do.
37:45
And we'll never understand
37:46
how difficult that is to actually do.
37:48
So Red Bull will be very happy
37:50
because they have had a tumultuous year.
37:52
It's been a tumultuous season.
37:53
There's been so much change, so many stories,
37:56
so much stuff boiling over.
37:59
And you mentioned the Christian Horner stuff.
38:01
We've forgotten all about that really now.
38:05
The things move so quickly,
38:07
but it was looking very desperate for Red Bull at one point.
38:10
And they've managed to dig deep
38:12
and somehow rebuild
38:13
and somehow end up with Max for Stappen
38:17
on 421 points just two away
38:21
And I've praised Max so much recently,
38:23
but the truly scary thing is,
38:25
I think what they've done is regalvanised
38:26
and put themselves into a better position
38:29
They've given people like me
38:30
who analyse and observe this sport
38:32
more faith that they can actually
38:34
get themselves back into a position they were before
38:36
and give Max the car he needs
38:38
to win the World Championship.
38:39
They've got a big name coming in in forwards
38:42
who will probably take a bit of time
38:44
to get used to Red Bull
38:46
and build that relationship.
38:48
But a massive name like Ford behind you
38:50
can only be a good thing.
38:52
They've got a great driver
38:53
coming into the team in Isaac Hage
38:55
and they've got Max.
38:56
And as I said, they've got that newfound confidence
38:59
having rallied back at the end of the season.
39:01
And that is scary for the likes
39:03
of McLaren and Mercedes
39:04
who will be going into 2026
39:05
looking to win the World Championship.
39:06
So, yes, there'll be some,
39:09
you know, a GP at the end of the race,
39:11
Max's race engineer looked gutted.
39:14
They'll lick their wounds and be sad.
39:15
They didn't do this spectacular comeback,
39:17
but then they'll sit on the beach
39:19
over the winter break and think,
39:20
you know what, there's so much to be excited for
39:22
if we're Red Bull and be cheerful there.
39:24
And they're a scary prospect
39:26
for people going into 2026.
39:28
They won't be far off.
39:30
And even if they don't need to design the best car
39:32
for Max to win the Championship,
39:33
they just need to design nearly the best car.
39:36
Yeah, and nearly is the word I was going to use there.
39:41
They had no right really to pull off
39:43
what they almost did.
39:45
That's the worrying thing.
39:47
That's the worrying thing for all the other teams
39:50
Not that Max Verstappen needs any more confidence.
39:53
He's the world's most confident man,
39:55
but for him to run it that close
39:57
and to win that last race
40:00
and it not being McLaren car,
40:04
On the flight home tomorrow,
40:06
he'll be thinking, yeah, I nailed that actually.
40:10
Absolutely, absolutely.
40:12
Let's talk Oscar, lovely Oscar,
40:16
we were all convinced.
40:17
And we hoped, you know, we love him.
40:20
We think I think he's a brilliant, brilliant bloke.
40:23
We thought he was going to win that title,
40:26
and it didn't happen.
40:27
Where did it all go wrong for him?
40:29
Oh, yeah. Greg, listen, I like him so much.
40:33
We followed his story.
40:34
For those new to the podcast,
40:36
we tell the story all the time
40:37
that he was the first ever thing we recorded
40:39
before his first ever F1 race.
40:42
To echo what I said to Lando,
40:43
I like Oscar Piastri so much as a human being.
40:45
I would have been over the moon
40:49
if he'd won this championship.
40:51
Not that I'm not happy that Lando hasn't.
40:52
And Greg, we've spoken a lot recently about the,
40:55
as this podcast's popularity has risen,
40:57
you get the British bias accusations
40:59
because there's three British hosts
41:01
and people say, oh, you only want Lando to win.
41:03
Nothing can be further from the truth.
41:04
I just wanted it to be a fun race till the end it was.
41:06
And I'd have been delighted if Oscar had won.
41:08
Like I'm delighted Lando has won.
41:10
And in terms of your question,
41:12
where did it all go wrong?
41:13
That blip in the final third of the season,
41:16
only Oscar himself and possibly his race engineer,
41:19
Tom Sellard, can truly know where the switch switched
41:23
in terms of that supreme coolness
41:26
where it looked like nothing can phase him
41:28
to go from that to a weekend like Baku
41:30
where he hit the wall twice, like Brazil
41:32
where there was another mistake.
41:34
Something went wrong there.
41:37
And they will look at that
41:38
and analyze that over the winter.
41:40
But, but, take the season as a whole for Oscar Piastri.
41:47
In only his third season, Lando and Max
41:50
have been at this much, much longer than Oscar.
41:52
In only his third season.
41:54
So fight for a world championships
41:56
and take it to the last level
41:58
against drivers of the caliber
41:59
of Lando and Max in your third season is remarkable.
42:07
He led the championship for most of it.
42:12
Just didn't go well in the second half of his season.
42:15
And I think you're right to say
42:19
overall it was a really great season for him.
42:21
And also expectations rise so quickly in this sport.
42:27
He starts winning and then suddenly everyone goes,
42:29
he's a world champion.
42:30
Yes, we know I'm guilty of that.
42:32
We're guilty of getting overexcited.
42:35
That's, I've made a whole career out of it.
42:37
But you see, you go, he's the next best thing.
42:40
Let's all back him.
42:41
And then suddenly you go, oh, but he's let us all down.
42:44
He is he is outperforming the place that even how he would.
42:48
He's outperforming his own expectations,
42:50
I imagine at times and surprising himself.
42:52
So he's well on that journey now
42:55
to do what Lando has just done today.
42:58
And when it's when the time is right,
43:01
it will it will be even sweeter.
43:03
And that's why it's great that Lando has waited for this moment
43:07
because this is the moment.
43:09
This is the time for him to be the world champion.
43:12
And listen, the way Oscar rallied in Qatar and came back
43:18
He's his weekend, this weekend, spectacular, absolutely spectacular.
43:24
I am proudly one of those people who are saying,
43:26
I think he'll be a world champion.
43:28
I really think he is not just a Formula One race winner.
43:32
I think he's that next level up of being a world champion.
43:35
I think he can be every bit as good as Lando Norris.
43:38
I don't think he's far off now.
43:39
And there are those in Formula One who believe
43:41
Oscar's ceiling is ultimately higher than Lando's.
43:45
And therefore Lando had to win this championship
43:47
because in future his teammate will be an even more
43:49
formidable opponent.
43:51
The future is bright for Oscar Piazza.
43:53
And he will be gutted right now.
43:54
He looks gutted on the podium.
43:56
While this Abu Dhabi as I can see the complex,
43:59
the track opposite me in front of me, the lights are still blaring.
44:02
Everybody's parting.
44:03
He will be in a bleak mood.
44:04
But when he sits down and reflects, he'll see the positives.
44:07
He'll see what he achieved.
44:08
He'll see how much he improved from season two
44:10
to season three of his Formula One career.
44:12
And he'll go into 2026 as a formidable opponent
44:15
to anybody fighting for that world championship.
44:17
And unless he gets super unlucky across his career,
44:23
And what he achieved in this third season was amazing.
44:25
So listen, if you're an Oscar fan,
44:27
watching and listening to this gutteds,
44:29
I just think your time's going to come, guys.
44:31
I just think your time's going to come.
44:33
So don't worry about it.
44:35
Don't worry about it.
44:36
But you don't worry about it.
44:39
He'll do it again another day, mate.
44:41
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Okay, let's talk about the Constructors' standings.
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So, McLaren, Constructors' champions,
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second place, Mercedes, third place Red Bull,
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Ferrari fourth, Williams fifth,
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Racing Bulls at six, Aston Martin at seven,
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Hassa eight, Kicksalber at nine, and Alpine at 10.
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Can I throw a curveball here?
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Can we start at Williams, please?
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That has been one of the most joyful resurgence
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in this sport for a long time.
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And I'm incredibly pleased for them for the drivers.
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But James Vowles, we've had on this show
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a couple of times now,
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love, I love his ethos.
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I love that he is not horribly alpha.
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I love that he is...
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I really respect Zach Brown,
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and I love what he's done with that team.
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But he's like, he's like, you know, he's like...
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He's probably, you know, he's a man's man,
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isn't he? So that kind of...
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Yes, like my good self, sure.
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Yeah, very similar to you.
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Whereas I love the more considered...
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I love that both can exist in this crazy sport.
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You've got the James Vowles approach, which is...
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Let's talk it out, guys.
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Let's talk it through.
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Let's just take our time.
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Let's put some ideas down.
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Let's have a little...
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Let's go out for lunch and talk it through.
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But let's get the strategy right and let's keep calm.
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Both can work, both operate in this sport.
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What have you loved about Williams this year?
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Exactly, as you said.
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I've loved that James Vowles has been so excellent
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I've loved that Carlos Sainz has dug into
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his Formula One skill set
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and rallied at the end of the season.
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I love that Alex Albon,
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certainly the first two-third of the season, was fantastic.
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Tricky final third of the season,
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which he'll want to bounce back from
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quite quickly next season.
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But I've loved the fact that they've made such progress
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They are so shamelessly focusing on the new rule changes
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and the fact that they've had this...
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They've managed to improve the car in the way they have
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despite the fact that looking at the new rules
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So a real success story from Williams.
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And just while we're going through the final constructs,
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Greg, can I just do some...
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Because we're going to have us view
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the whole season next week
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with Karin Chandrak and Sam Ryder.
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But I just want to, before we go, if it's okay,
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do a couple of quick potted points.
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Christian's potted points.
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Christian's potted points.
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I think, again, Red Bull to get third
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in the World Championship,
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basically considering they're only having
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one driver score points all season.
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Unexceptible season for Ferrari in all forms.
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We're not going to talk about this today.
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We'll do it with Karin next week.
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Unexceptible season for Ferrari.
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And solid from racing Bulls,
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as you'd hope and expect from a Red Bull B team.
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Real improvement from Sauber in ninth.
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And Aston Martin shouldn't be finishing solo down.
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And they've got long-term aspirations
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I just want to shout out Haas, actually,
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who I'm gutted for Haas, actually,
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that they didn't manage to get the scalp
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of what would have been Aston Martin,
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just to point away.
49:49
They're very unlucky there,
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because actually Haas has season.
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Similar to what we were saying with Williams, Greg.
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Aya Kamatsu, lovely, calm, analytical guy.
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Esteban Ocon has sort of not just had a good season
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in terms of performance with his season at Haas,
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but also just seemed like the F1 world
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has fallen in love with him again.
50:11
I love speaking to Esteban Ocon.
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Had a brilliant debut season for Oli Bearman.
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So really well done to Haas.
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And an absolute disaster for Alpine at the bottom
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who really need to get their s*** together,
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because they don't want to be finishing 10th
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with that team's history.
50:26
So they will want to improve in the new ruleset.
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But yeah, we'll do a bit more reflection
50:32
on the season as a whole next week.
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Yes, and that show will be a live show.
50:36
We're going to be doing a Christmasy end of season
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review with a live audience in London.
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It'll be me. It'll be Christian Hugo.
50:43
It'll be Betty Glover.
50:44
And as Christian just mentioned,
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we'll have Sam Ryder and Karun Chandak as well.
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And there's also something else coming
50:52
over the festive period and into the new year.
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Christian, would you like to tell everyone about that?
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I would love to tell everybody about that.
50:58
We've had a lot of people messaging us
50:59
being saying, what am I going to do over the winter break?
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Do feel free to do something else,
51:04
because there's only seven weeks
51:05
until pre-season testing.
51:06
So go outside, go for a walk.
51:09
Do enjoy not having to sacrifice
51:11
your Sunday all the time is the only thing I would say.
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But away from that, away from that,
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we know people feel the departure,
51:21
the lack of Formula One in the winter months.
51:23
And Greg, we're an old podcast now.
51:25
You know, we've been going three years.
51:27
This is the end of our third season.
51:29
There's a lot of new people joined us this year.
51:32
And we spotted a lot of people saying,
51:33
You should have Lance Stroll on what we have.
51:35
You should have Estaban Ocon on what we have.
51:38
So there's so much in our archive.
51:41
Again, Oscar Piastri from three years ago,
51:43
before we even driven a Formula One car as an F1 driver.
51:47
All of this is in our archive.
51:48
And we're going to release some never before seen on YouTube
51:52
and not heard for a while on audio stuff
51:55
with the Fast and the Curious Gold coming to this feed,
52:00
whether it be on YouTube or audio,
52:02
throughout the winter, every week,
52:05
a new episode of the Fast and the Curious Gold
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with a little bit of thoughts from the team
52:09
about that particular driver
52:10
and then some best moments of us speaking to said driver
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over the course of our three years.
52:16
Some of the funniest moments, some of the maddest moments,
52:18
some moments where it's like, oh my God, he looked so young.
52:21
So every week over the festive period,
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right up until when we're back in the new year,
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the Fast and the Curious Gold
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was some of our favorite moments of the last three years,
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which I'm really excited to show people
52:31
some of this stuff that was been sat in our archive,
52:33
like Baby Oscar, especially in Baby Lando.
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Like, it's gonna be great.
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For now, we say thank you for listening.
52:38
Thank you for watching.
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And we'll be back next week with an end of season review.
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Make sure you're following us on Fast Curious Pod
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on socials and on YouTube and on your podcast feeds as well.
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Thank you for listening and watching.
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See you next week. Bye-bye.
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