Charles Worden of Clean Enough returns to the Hard Parking podcast after a two-year hiatus, sharing his journey of personal growth and his comeback in the car event scene. He discusses his recent successful events, including a collaboration with Stradman and Houston's Hot Chicken, and the challenges he faced with city regulations. The conversation dives into the nuances of car culture, event planning, and the balance between personal life and business. Charles also touches on his experiences in bodybuilding and the medical field, emphasizing the importance of wealth over mere riches.
Charles Worden (IG @cleannuff) returns to the Hard Parking Podcast after a 2-year hiatus. From beating 10 street-racing charges in Tempe, Arizona then getting shredded in bodybuilding, and plotting generational wealth — Charles explains why he disappeared, how he rebuilt himself, and why Cleannuff is coming back bigger than ever. The monster Stradman × Houston Hot Chicken event was just the start. Private supercar cruises, The Compound burnout spot, and huge 2026 plans with Lambos, 918s, GT3s and more.
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Chapters
00:00 – Intro + Why Charles vanished for 2 years
02:26 – Beating the Tempe “kingpin” case (10 charges → 0 convictions)
05:12 – The insane Stradman x Houston Hot Chicken comeback event09:50 – 270 lbs bodybuilding bulk, now shredded “Jacked Ghost”
14:04 – Private supercar cruises & why cities still fear him
19:02 – The Compound: legal burnouts, photoshoots & 2026 plans
45:28 – New supercar(s), YouTube launch & Cleannuff forever
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"Porsche 918 Spyder, Yvonne McKay, he came out, brought his beautiful Supra..."
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a high-performance sports car that uses both a gasoline engine and electric motors to go fast while being more efficient. It's known for its impressive speed and advanced features.
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a plug-in hybrid supercar that combines high performance with advanced technology. It features a naturally aspirated V8 engine paired with electric motors, providing exceptional speed and efficiency.
"you brought your beautiful Supra, I mean, everything there was what you'd expect..."
The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love for its speed and the ability to modify it for even better performance. It's a popular choice among car fans.
The Toyota Supra is a legendary sports car known for its performance and tuning potential. It has a strong following among car enthusiasts and is often associated with Japanese car culture.
"you brought your NSX. I mean, everything there was what you'd expect..."
The Honda NSX is a fast and stylish sports car that is loved for its great handling and performance. It's a car that many people dream of owning.
The Honda NSX is a high-performance sports car that combines a lightweight chassis with a powerful V6 engine and advanced technology. It is known for its handling and balance, making it a favorite among driving enthusiasts.
The Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) is a very fast sports car that many people admire for its performance and ability to be customized. It's a classic in the car community.
The Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34) is a high-performance sports car known for its advanced technology and tuning potential. It features a powerful inline-six engine and all-wheel drive, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
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Lamborghini Huracán
"...If they just show up and let's say they side swipe a Huracan."
The Lamborghini Huracán is a fast and stylish sports car that many people dream of owning. It has a powerful engine and is designed for high-speed driving.
The Lamborghini Huracán is a high-performance sports car known for its powerful V10 engine and sharp handling. It is a successor to the Gallardo and is often praised for its design and driving dynamics.
"...they just show up and let's say they side swipe a Huracan. And he's got a $20,000 BMW that's getting built..."
The Lamborghini Huracan is a super-fast car that looks really cool and is built for speed. It has a powerful engine and can drive really well on both the road and the track. People talk about it because it’s one of the most exciting cars you can buy.
The Lamborghini Huracan is a modern supercar that has gained popularity for its aggressive styling and exceptional performance since its debut in 2014. It features a powerful V10 engine and advanced all-wheel-drive technology, making it a standout in the luxury sports car segment. The Huracan is often mentioned for its thrilling driving dynamics and status as a symbol of automotive excellence.
"...because it's a Euro and Supercar cruise. Hanging out at the meet, chilling, whatever."
It's a car event where people with fancy European cars and supercars get together to drive and show off their vehicles. It's a fun way for car lovers to meet and enjoy their cars together.
A Euro and Supercar cruise is a gathering of high-performance vehicles, particularly those from European manufacturers and exotic supercars. These events often include driving in a convoy and showcasing the cars to enthusiasts and the public.
"...we're going to have burn outs. We're going to have two step."
It's when a car's tires spin really fast while the car stays in one place, making a lot of smoke. People do it to show off or have fun at car events.
A burnout is a driving maneuver where the driver spins the wheels of a car while the vehicle remains stationary, causing the tires to heat up and produce smoke. It's often performed for entertainment at car meets or racing events.
"...We're going to have two step. We're going to have people shooting flames, vendors."
It's a technique used by drivers to rev their engines really high before they start racing. It helps the car go faster off the line when the race starts.
Two-step is a performance feature used in cars, particularly in drag racing, that allows the driver to set the engine at a high RPM while the car is stationary. This helps to build boost in turbocharged engines before launching the car, resulting in quicker starts.
"...We're going to have people shooting flames, vendors. It's going to be a cool vibe."
It's when a car shoots out flames from its exhaust pipe. This usually happens with special modifications to the car that make it burn fuel differently.
Shooting flames refers to the phenomenon where a car's exhaust system expels flames, often due to unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust. This is typically seen in modified cars with performance tuning or specific exhaust setups.
"Obviously we got McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and stuff like that. Porsche's, Porsche's a tough one."
McLaren is a brand that makes very fast and high-end sports cars. They are known for their racing heritage and cutting-edge technology.
McLaren is a British automotive manufacturer known for producing high-performance sports cars and supercars. The brand has a strong presence in motorsports, particularly in Formula 1, and is recognized for its innovative engineering and design.
"Yeah, it's basically a street track car, isn't it?"
A street track car is a type of vehicle that you can drive on regular roads but is also built to perform well on racetracks. They are made to be fast and handle well in both situations.
A street track car is designed to perform well both on public roads and racetracks. These cars typically have high-performance features, including powerful engines, advanced suspension systems, and lightweight materials, making them suitable for competitive driving.
"If I go Huracan route, unfortunately, because I do want bucket seats. ... There's a lot of cars that have bucket seats."
Bucket seats are special car seats that hug your body more tightly than regular seats. They help keep you comfortable and secure, especially when driving fast or taking sharp turns.
Bucket seats are designed to provide better support and comfort during spirited driving, often featuring higher side bolsters to keep the driver and passengers securely in place. They are commonly found in performance and sports cars.
"But I mean, you got Cohen's Sags, you got. Those people call those like hyper cars or super cars."
Koenigsegg is a company that makes very fast and expensive cars. They are known for their unique designs and high performance.
Koenigsegg is a Swedish manufacturer of high-performance sports cars known for their innovative engineering and design. The brand is famous for producing some of the fastest cars in the world, often featuring advanced technology and unique styling.
"But I mean, you got Cohen's Sags, you got. Those people call those like hyper cars or super cars."
Hypercars are the fastest and most advanced cars you can buy. They are built with the latest technology and can go much faster than regular supercars.
Hypercars represent the pinnacle of automotive engineering, combining extreme performance with cutting-edge technology and design. They often feature hybrid powertrains and are capable of reaching speeds well over 200 mph.
A Venn diagram is a way to show how different groups are related. In this case, it helps explain how different types of cars can share similar features.
A Venn diagram is a visual representation used to show the relationships between different sets. In the context of cars, it can illustrate how categories like exotic cars, supercars, and hypercars overlap and share characteristics.
"...you got GTR in the corner with Viper sitting there like, oh, we're kind of super cars..."
The Nissan GT-R is a fast sports car that many people think of as a supercar because it can compete with much more expensive cars in terms of speed and handling.
The Nissan GT-R is a high-performance sports car known for its advanced technology and powerful engine, often considered a supercar due to its performance capabilities.
"What would you call a GT 500? Just a muscle car."
The Ford Mustang GT500 is a fast and powerful version of the regular Mustang, designed for performance. It's a classic American car that's popular among car enthusiasts.
The Ford Mustang GT500 is a high-performance variant of the Ford Mustang, known for its powerful engine and sporty design. It is often considered a muscle car due to its American roots and performance characteristics.
Muscle cars are fast cars that usually have big engines and are built for speed. They are mostly made by American companies and became famous in the 1960s and 1970s.
Muscle cars are high-performance vehicles, typically American, characterized by powerful engines and a focus on straight-line speed. They became popular in the 1960s and 1970s and are known for their aggressive styling.
"I would call that an American super car. I think so."
An American supercar is a very fast and powerful sports car made in the U.S. These cars are designed to be high-performance and can compete with the best sports cars from around the world.
An American supercar refers to high-performance sports cars produced in the United States, often featuring advanced technology and powerful engines. They compete with European supercars in terms of speed and performance.
"I think we all, right. But I had asked about an NSX, like, hey, is this NSX in your group? I'm tryin..."
The Acura NSX is a fast and stylish sports car that was made to compete with some of the best cars in the world. It’s special because it’s not just about speed; it’s also designed to be comfortable enough to drive every day. People talk about it because it represents a mix of luxury and performance.
The Acura NSX is a high-performance sports car that was first introduced in the early 1990s and is known for its innovative design and engineering. It combines a mid-engine layout with a lightweight body and advanced technology, making it a significant player in the supercar market. The NSX is often discussed for its blend of performance and everyday usability, appealing to both enthusiasts and casual drivers.
"...but they have a ton of R8s and just run-of-the-mill porches, not even special ones..."
The Audi R8 is a luxury sports car that looks really cool and goes very fast. It's known for its powerful engine and great handling on the road.
The Audi R8 is a high-performance sports car that features a mid-engine layout and is known for its striking design and powerful V10 engine. It has been praised for its handling and technology, making it a popular choice among supercar enthusiasts.
"...both beautiful cars, mid-engine. I mean, they sound phenomenal."
Mid-engine means that the car's engine is located in the middle of the car, which helps it handle better when driving fast. This setup is common in sports cars because it balances the weight well.
Mid-engine refers to the placement of the engine within a vehicle, located between the front and rear axles. This configuration helps improve weight distribution and handling, making it popular in high-performance sports cars.
"... Because my whole life, it's like, okay, I want a Ferrari 355. I want an Acura NSX."
The Ferrari 355 Spider is a fancy sports car that you can take the roof off, making it great for sunny days. It’s known for being really fast and looking amazing, which is why many people dream of owning one. It’s a car that represents luxury and excitement.
The Ferrari 355 Spider is a convertible sports car produced in the mid-1990s, celebrated for its striking design and exhilarating performance. It features a powerful V8 engine and a distinctive sound, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts and collectors. The 355 Spider is often discussed for its classic Ferrari styling and the driving experience it offers.
– Intro + Why Charles vanished for 2 years
– Beating the Tempe “kingpin” case (10 charges → 0 convictions)
– The insane Stradman x Houston Hot Chicken comeback event09:50 – 270 lbs bodybuilding bulk, now shredded “Jacked Ghost”
– Private supercar cruises & why cities still fear him
– The Compound: legal burnouts, photoshoots & 2026 plans
– New supercar(s), YouTube launch & Cleannuff forever
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Coming up on today's show, Charles Wharton of Clean Enough is back in studio
first time in a couple of years. He kind of disappeared for a while.
And then he came back in a major way.
I recently attended an event that he threw.
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Charles Warden, welcome back to hard park and studios.
Definitely super excited, man. I'm glad to be back.
You've been on the show more than once.
It's been a couple of years. Last time we were doing a health check, mental health
check, you were going through some things.
You talked about a guy basically saved your life one phone call, which is great.
You took a lot of time off and then you, when you came back, you came back in a big way.
You know, for the people who haven't, uh, or people that are new to this podcast,
you know, you did a lot of events. You had the clean enough.
So that's your Charles of clean enough. Of course, um,
you had an event in Tempe that went sideways. The event was fine,
but the police came in and, you know, and all that crap happened.
And you'd, you're going to set that record straight here in a minute.
But, um, you came back and did the big event with Strad pizza collaboration
at Houston's hot chicken. Yep. Tempe. That was a big event.
Thanks for having me there.
And that's the first time I've seen you in a long time, not even as much on social
media. So what's been going on?
None, just a lot of working behind the scenes. Uh,
obviously there's a lot of preparation behind making sure I do stuff right.
And I wanted to start working with the right people. Obviously I could come back
and start hosting and just do my average stuff. But, you know,
I've been gone for two years. So it's time for me to make that big mark and be
like, holy cow, like clean up his back. Like what is going on? Like,
so, you know, obviously work with James Stradman,
Mundi from Houston hot chicken and all of them, like coming back with that big
persona was kind of a shock to everybody. And that was the whole point.
Shock and thrill. Bring it back and be like, wow, like clean up is really back.
How did you get linked up with Stradman? Uh,
so he is good friends with Mundi and Houston hot chicken.
Obviously we work very closely with Houston hot chicken for a long time now.
People that don't know, we do a lot of exotic events with them and numerous
areas, not just Arizona, but, you know, uh, they were like, Hey,
so, you know, we got an event coming up that we want you to do.
Would you be down to do it with Stradman?
Who's going to say no to that? Yeah. I mean, he's a really nice dude.
Yeah, he is. I've said that before and hopefully one day I get him on the
podcast. I haven't tried yet, but yeah, I would love to. But anyway,
it's always a good conversation with him. He's always super nice, super respectful,
very humble, but yeah, it was, I mean, it was a perfect setup.
There is nothing probably better to start back up than just
shocking off. And that's exactly what that event brought. I mean,
the amount of cars, the style, the luxury.
I'm going to tell the people listening and watching what that was and what it
entailed. Honestly, the biggest thing was, is, you know, us hosting in Tempe.
People that don't know in Tempe, I was arrested for an event that, you know,
supposedly was for sugar racing and everything.
Tempe went up against me, shout to Zach Anzel, one of probably the best lawyers
you can get for anything car related. And yeah, they tried to slam you with
what 10 different charges, saying I was street racing, saying I was a kingpin.
And, you know, we're street stunners, kingpin Charles, but, you know,
we beat the case. I had zero charges from it. And that's why I'll forever,
you know, shoot out the Zach Anzel for that, because I could have been very
ugly for me being in charge of street racing and all that.
So my first real big event back in Tempe was like, I had to bring the hottest
cars, you know, I had to make sure it was with the best people.
Obviously anyone that was there, it was a shock.
I mean, full carbon body Lamborghinis, co-insects,
Porsche 918 spider, Yvonne McKay, he came out, brought his beautiful
Supra, you brought your NSX. I mean, everything there was what you'd expect
for a high end event with some rarity involved.
R34s, I mean, everything was there.
Yeah. Stradman brought his vehicles out, of course, which is, it's crazy to see
that because I was, I was happy for you and happy to see a car event in Tempe,
because, you know, the last time I had anyone on that talked about that,
my friend Aaron Forester, you know, they had a couple really successful
events and they got shut down, you know, the city of Tempe, no more car events,
which was kind of bullshit, because unless it's the Copper State 1000,
they weren't letting anybody do anything.
So for you guys to pull that off with the caliber of cars, how many people there,
I was a little worried. I don't know if you were, I was a little worried.
I was like, Oh God, there's a lot of people here.
I mean, and literally a ASU football game was going on literally around the corner.
Like you could see the stadium.
Yeah. And it was probably the perfect timing in theory.
I mean, I probably couldn't have had a better day to host it.
Tempe's visuals were off of us.
Mine knew we still had biker cops come through, hang out, have some food, but
my heart was racing the entire time.
I'm sitting there trying to direct traffic.
I have my guys helping now obviously too.
Sweat pouring.
Yeah.
We were hiding in the shadows of the adjacent building because it was hot.
Not including the farmer's tan.
Yeah, the farmer's tan. Yeah, that was gonna get that thing working.
I was all nice and red, but no, I was sweating.
That was my first event back.
I even told you, I stopped and said, man, like first event back and I didn't expect
to explode like this.
I just wanted to stop by to say what's up and show support, but I got parked.
I think you gave me a nice spot.
And so I hung out for a little longer than I thought I would, which is great.
It was a great event to see.
They had a hot chicken eating contest and they always do that.
We do that for every event.
So typically we'll do like a 500 grand prize, $500 grand prize.
Or if we do like the three tenders and we do the three minute cool down,
we do up to a thousand.
Does that mean you can't drink anything?
For three minutes, no eating, no drinking, anything else to cool down.
And they've had people win in Vegas for the thousand dollars.
It's not easy, but we only had like five winners last year total and 2025 in general.
It's just like a, I know you're not Houston's hot chicken necessarily,
but it's just, because that's not a challenge I would do.
It's a challenge 10 years ago.
I would have thought about doing because I thought I was going to go through this.
Let me go everywhere and eat whatever the hottest food they have is.
And that lasted like two restaurants maybe before I called it quits.
Is it like a ghost pepper?
Hotter Carolina Reaper.
Carolina Reaper, Scorpion X combined.
I don't even know what a Scorpion X is, but apparently it's hot.
One of the world's hottest peppers.
Yeah, hard pass.
It's, it's like setting your stomach on fire and you can't breathe.
Yeah, yeah, that's a hard pass because when they bring it out,
they have like these hazmat looking suits, right?
That's just, we got to bring that hype.
I know it's, it's funny though.
Yeah, that's awesome.
But you have to wear gloves when handling it.
Yeah.
Because if you get any of that residue on your face, anything, it burns.
Yeah, you're done.
Yeah.
So what do you have planned next?
What are you working on now?
No, no, no, let's stop that.
Two year hiatus.
What did you do in those two years?
I mean, I know you said you wanted to get with some people
and make sure you're working with the right people, but fill us in.
What else is going on?
That's a good question, actually.
I only asked good ones.
In that two years, I took a total adjustment.
I changed the way I do things, got in the bodybuilding,
so a lot of people don't know, but, you know, obviously going for competitions.
And then I got back in the medical field working, probably one of the best choices.
And obviously making a big drastic change like that is what's setting the tone for me now.
Because, you know, being able to bring a business partner in
and doing clean up at a higher level now,
I mean, it's changing the game.
Like, the things that we got coming up is a lot of because of me changing
in that two year hiatus, you know, staying in the gym five days a week,
changing my sleep routine, changing everything to make me uncomfortable
as possible to make that change.
Because, I mean, anyone that knows me, I've been back and forth with different events.
You know, a previous brand that I used to work with, I mean, everything.
Like, I needed something that was a culture shock.
To you personally.
So, I went to bodybuilding, which was the most humbling experience.
It's very humbling.
The training regimen, eating, everything.
I mean, it's a job.
There's no way around it.
You're spending a lot of money coaching hours.
It changes your whole mindset.
It's like me going back to the military.
It's that much of a training process.
Because naturally, we eat until we're like good, right?
With the bodybuilding, I'm eating until my body's at the certain amount of surplus I need.
So, when I was bulking, I got up to like 270 pounds.
That's wild.
And I was a big boy.
Anyone that's seen any of my social media posts, I mean, I was big.
Solid frame.
Now, I'm down to 230.
And you kind of can't tell because that's my average weight.
But it's night and day.
People just had to know, though, because you're like,
what was your tag?
Like Jim Ghost or?
Jack Ghost.
Yeah.
Jim Assassin or something.
I was like, isn't that Charles?
Yeah, it's because I'm a big screen fan.
I love Ghost.
Ah, we talked about that a little before.
Yeah, it's kind of my thing because obviously I'm an ambassador for Bucked Up.
And then I have a clothing line all out fitness that sponsors me also for my fitness.
And they pay for my competitions and stuff like that.
Supplements, get my merch, take care of that.
So, it's a process.
But Jack Ghost is my persona in the bodybuilding world.
Yeah, there's Jack Ghost.
You said something that I thought was really important.
I mean, you said a lot of stuff that's important.
But I think one thing that people don't realize is these events that you have,
these events that other people have, that is the thing that you're doing for an hour or two.
And for a lot of people, we've talked about this before.
Car events, car shows, it's your escape from reality sometimes.
It is.
But you got your reality right and restructured.
And that's the big difference.
And then you're still able to do this on the comeback and come back in a bigger way.
So that way, you know, that is, it's still kind of an escape from your reality,
but it's not like you're trying to escape reality.
So you're able to do your hobby and your life balance, which is huge, man.
It's huge.
Finding that balance is beautiful.
Let's be honest, anybody can host a car meet, right?
Anybody can try to organize.
At least once.
Yeah, at least once.
Yeah.
But really taking that balance and doing a culture shock of like working with influencers,
working with high-end cars, working with the city, knowing the city doesn't want you there
because it's a car enthusiast.
Right.
It's your takeover guy.
It's a gambling game, especially when I'm labeled as a kingpin to all these cities.
You know, as much as I want to, that label is not going anywhere, unfortunately.
And obviously having a meeting with Phoenix PD, that's going to be kind of my deal breaker is
trying to break that kingpin theory.
But yeah, I mean, that work-life balance, it's a big deal,
especially when you get to this level.
Like if you don't have that balance, you start losing yourself and it can go down a dark road.
And for you, it has, for many people, it has and they haven't returned.
Mm-hmm.
And that's why a lot of events, you know, they'll eventually fall off.
It takes a lot.
It's a lot of strength to it.
It's a lot of mental late night editing, you know, making sure the posts are up,
making sure you're having meetings.
You know, it's not just a simple, I'm gonna put a flyer up and here's my event.
It's planning, strategizing, safety plans.
I mean, you have to know those type of things.
I mean, sure, I could post up in a fries parking lot.
Big, yo, guys, come look at all these cars.
Like, no, it's, it's a lot of strategizing, especially with the heat that I have with the cities.
And, you know, obviously doing a lot of my private events, a lot of people don't know about
like some private cruises and stuff.
That's a lot of work too, because obviously I don't want people just showing up and be like,
yo, clean up is doing private cruises.
No, but nobody knew.
And that's the beauty of it is we did start doing stuff on the back end.
Right.
About six months ago, but nobody knew.
Why do you have to keep them private?
I know the answer to this question, but people watching and listening don't.
Being labeled a street racer was the first part.
Obviously, I've had a few cars that I can send down a road and dust the cop.
It's not my goal, but I know I could.
Can't have on radio though, man.
Come on.
Exactly.
Let's say the Duke's of Hazard.
But, you know, doing private events is kind of that luxury of like bringing the nicest cars out.
I mean, how often do you get this there and say, yeah, I got this here.
Just go driving at night.
Well, one in a million, maybe.
So it gets these guys a chance to have that high end experience and the thrill of the adrenaline
without all the what if.
Because I'm not trying to deal with the who I is.
Does my ESP and alert just went off there?
Okay.
You know, not trying to deal with the what ifs.
I think it's my safest bet sometimes to do private events.
And, you know, we're going to be doing more.
So, you know, if you've got a high end car or something super rare or, you know.
Sliding your DMs.
I think a big part of it also is that and hopefully it's the case.
It kind of helps screen out some of the riffraff, right?
Because if someone just shows up to a car cruise, then, you know, they don't really
have any investment in the group.
They just want to maybe get out there.
And this isn't always the case, but there's always going to be, there could always be that
person who just randomly shows up and just tears ass down the road and cuts people off
and isn't respectful.
Plus, if you have the same core group, everyone kind of knows each other.
Yeah.
And, you know, everyone knows how to behave.
That what if factor hits again.
Because what if he doesn't take care of his car the way he needs.
I have no clue who this person is.
If they just show up and let's say they side swipe a Huracan.
And he's got a $20,000 BMW that's getting built up, right?
Poor job, whatever it is.
If it's a good build, whatever.
There's a what if.
I don't know this person and they don't know this person.
Whoever's in this group is for that group only.
And it's obviously I'm doing open cruises for everybody too.
Like this weekend coming up or next weekend, sorry.
Here in December, yeah.
Yeah.
But private cruises is meant to give that kind of ease of mind without the what if of like
crazy shit popping off, anything bad going on.
It's just crews have fun, get some bomb food.
What do you have going on then?
I mean, what are you, what are you working on?
You don't have to give full details.
But just what is the direction of this iteration of clean enough?
Because the last iteration was good too.
They've all been good, just slightly different.
Shock and awe.
That is the new theory.
I want to shock and awe everybody.
So we have the compound now, the compound.
We have a spot where people can do burnouts, two step, whatever.
We're not getting.
Now is it called the compound or is that just the code word for it?
No, we call it the compound.
That is.
But if I were to go to Google and look for the compound.
Nope.
Okay.
So that's the code word for it.
Got it.
Yeah.
Not going to be able to find it on Google or anywhere, but obviously we want to buy out the
entire property and fully turn it into a car enthusiast compound.
Let me ask you this.
Because now the imagination runs wild.
It could be whatever I imagine it to be.
Is it a spot that would work for like a photo shoot?
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
All right.
We'll have to figure that out.
That'd be kind of cool.
Yeah.
There's a little selfishness there.
Clipping now go compounding.
Okay.
I don't really do burnouts, but because I don't know how I haven't tried.
But that could be an interesting place, so yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's a chance for people to have fun.
It's private property.
If we have to, we can close the gate, send it, whatever.
We got a pit, so you can do burnouts, two-step, whatever in the pit inside the warehouse itself.
That's where we line up all the cars, and then we have a section for bikes too.
Nice.
I lost a lot of bike friends recently this year, so I'm stressing on bike safety.
Oh, you mean lost, lost?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
Sorry to hear that.
It's okay.
So just kind of trying to stress on the bike safety part.
So we started creating a section for them inside.
I don't want to be as bikes getting messed up.
I don't want to what if, and you know, me riding motorcycles too,
I have that certain side to it that I care about too.
So for 2026.
We have December compound event coming up on the 13th.
We're doing a cruise meet.
The cruises invite only or DM, but we have to sort through who's going, who's not,
because it's a Euro and Supercar cruise.
Hanging out at the meet, chilling, whatever.
We're going to have to burn outs.
We're going to have two step.
We're going to have people shooting flames, vendors.
It's going to be a cool vibe.
And then January, we're doing something with Houston hot chicken, the Stradman,
and a couple other people.
I'm not going to name names yet, but we do have that one.
Now when I'm excited about, because obviously it's a new location.
Everybody's going to be like, oh my God, like, what is this?
And then I have a meeting today with somebody else for a garage event.
I'm not going to go too far in the details, but we're going to be planning.
We're going to be bringing the heat and it's a two part event.
So that's, that's what we got so far.
There's a couple other things, including new cars, but that's part of the surprise.
So super cars, exotics.
I mean, super car can mean a lot.
We kind of had like a pre discussion a little bit about cars on the horizon.
How are you defining, and this is a, there's no right answer to this
because everyone kind of has their own definition.
And then there's always the what ifs, but you know, how would you,
how would Charles Warden describe super car?
Like what's a super car to you?
Obviously we got McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and stuff like that.
Porsche's, Porsche's a tough one.
It is.
It has a great area to it.
Yeah.
Obviously you go to a certain tier of Porsche.
It's not a super car.
Like our current event, we have a couple of GT3s coming out.
Those are super cars.
Yes.
For sure.
A hundred percent.
Yeah, absolutely.
Anyone that doesn't think a GT3 is a super car is crazy.
And I'm going to say it now, it's probably one of the best super cars.
I think universally that's the case.
I've never driven one, but I've never really heard anything necessarily bad about them.
It's like, if you want to do this, you need a GT3.
If you want to do this, you need a whatever, whatever, whatever, and you know, both are capable.
It's fast, agile, sounds amazing.
Comfort.
Right, it's not supposed to be.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's basically a street track car, isn't it?
Just like I found out I don't fit in a Huracan.
Have you gotten all of them?
I've been, I've sat in one before and I'm like, this is impossible.
And then I've, I know that the other ones, I think it depends on if it's like a coupe or what not.
Yeah.
I'm not a convertible guy, but I found out convertible is probably going to be my best bet.
If I go Huracan route, unfortunately, because I do want bucket seats.
There's a lot of cars that have bucket seats.
So a Huracan is super car.
Yep.
What about exotic?
That's a weird one, right?
Exotics is weird as super car.
Exotics is very broad, but to like the people that do know it's not.
But I mean, you got Cohen's Sags, you got.
Those people call those like hyper cars or super cars.
They don't, it's a, it's a new one.
They all kind of crumble.
Into each other, essentially, like Lamborghini and all them.
It's a big Venn diagram.
You get the big circle, exotic circle, super car circle, hyper car, hyper car.
And is there, is there one?
Then you got GTR in the corner with Viper sitting there like, oh, we're kind of super cars.
Yeah.
I think GTR's and Viper's are in the corner of somewhere.
I think the GTR is on the corner of super car and exotic and Viper's in the exotic circle,
but also it might be the kind of the overlay of super car, right?
Yeah.
I mean, a lot of people are going to be like, oh, well, it's American made and people don't
imagine American made as super cars, but GT 40, Ford GT, Dodge Viper.
I mean, let's be honest.
What would you call a GT 500?
Just a muscle car.
Yeah.
It's not even an exotic.
It's a hard one.
I would call that an American super car.
I think so.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can kind of see it.
Because it's like a super specialized version, almost like a GTD.
And then where do you, that's, that's like, that's not quite exotic, but that's got to
be like super car, kind of leaning, not really a hyper car.
It kind of is leaning, but it's a different part of the circle closer to another thing,
right?
It's like below GTR.
Yeah.
And we're talking about R35.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I mean, the R34 is.
Sometimes money has to come into it too, I think in a weird way.
It does.
Because I would think an R34 is, it's more to me a super car than an exotic car.
At this point, yes.
You're buying them at super car prices.
Well, yeah.
But yeah, I think an R33, R34, I think, I think all the GT, all this, the GTR line,
I think those are all Japanese super cars.
Yeah.
In the Japanese world, 100%, you know, to some, no, they're just JDM cars.
And I'm not going to, I'm not going to name names, but we all know those specific people
that are like, oh, I don't want JDM cars around me, but.
It almost sounded like an accent you did there.
It is.
It's too much JDM.
Too much JDM.
Too much JDM.
Yeah, I'll tell you a discussion I had, like a DM I had with that person.
And I'm friends with that person.
I think we all, right.
But I had asked about an NSX, like, hey, is this NSX in your group?
I'm trying to get them for an NSX event.
And it goes, no, we don't, she don't have any NSX's in our group at the time,
but I wish we did.
So there was a few NSX's that were in that group that I guess aren't in there anymore.
And previously, that person didn't think the NSX should be in their group,
but they have a ton of R8s and just run-of-the-mill porches, not even special ones.
So everyone's definition is different.
Oh yeah, they don't think anybody would say that it isn't the everyday supercar.
But I don't think anyone would, a lot of people wouldn't call it like a,
and people call it exotic too, but no one would call it a hypercar.
And some people won't call it an exotic car.
And there's some people don't call it a supercar,
but I think by every measure the NSX is a supercar.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Even the past and obviously the present.
Yeah. I mean, they're both beautiful cars, mid-engine.
I mean, they sound phenomenal.
Yeah. And it's how they drive.
I think that's a big part of it too.
It's a combination, right?
There's like this matrix you put together, all these variables,
and then maybe there's like a variable score, I don't know,
we could come up with some sort of a scoring system.
Yeah, I mean, it knocks all the points off for sure.
It's beautiful, drives good, mid-engine,
and it's driver's car.
Yeah. It's not a $1.2 million, $2 million.
It's not a corniceca, it could gara.
And that's the beautiful part.
You're not breaking your wallet,
but it's still a supercar in every factory.
Yeah. It's not whose wallet. It is Spindy.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, something like that.
Yeah. Yeah. You know.
What else is good?
It's been a while.
None much besides...
What do you nerd out on?
What do I nerd out on?
I mean, you have to have something fun that you kind of like...
This is fun.
Charles' binge venture.
This is my fun.
Yeah.
I love...
What are you watching? Anything?
What do you watch on TV?
When I do watch, it's Stranger Things.
You know, I've never seen that either.
You've never seen that?
No, that's a huge show.
It's pretty good.
I've never seen that. I've never seen Lost.
So there's a huge, there's a bunch of super popular shows
and movies I've never seen.
I just got to season six or something like that of Walking Dead.
What do you think of that?
I like it.
It's not for everybody for sure, but it's pretty good.
So you're six or seven seasons in.
You have to...
I say this because a lot of people that I know,
like we've watched the entire thing.
We haven't watched the spinoffs,
but we've watched the entire thing.
And it got to a point just like Game of Thrones
to where you're invested in it.
You just finish it.
I was going to tell you, just finish it
because it's going to get stupid sometimes.
But it does redeem itself.
But when it's all said and done, I mean, I just...
I have thoughts about the show,
but it just...
You kind of lose what the show was as you progress forward.
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm getting to is kind of losing that.
When you're hitting those dull seasons,
there's like one or two seasons that are like really bad
and then it starts picking up again.
It's pretty good, but yeah.
I mean, most of the time I'm not even fully watching.
Now it's like I'm back on work mode.
So as soon as I get off work,
because I work 10-hour shifts, 12-hour shifts.
What are you doing at the hospital?
No, we're not going to get away from this.
Okay, we're talking TV shows.
We'll get back to the hospital.
That's a show I don't think you have to be 100%
dialed into when you're watching it.
No.
Yeah.
You can miss moments.
I don't know.
It's good, but then it's really boring,
and then it's just the real action.
Have you seen 1883?
No.
Have you seen any of the Yellowstones?
I watched a little bit of Yellowstone.
I've never watched Yellowstone, but did you like it?
I'm like not really.
Got it.
Okay.
All right.
I don't know.
It just doesn't fancy me.
It was decent, but it's just I couldn't fully get into it.
Okay.
I made it to like one season.
I was like, all right, I'm kind of.
So that's what I was afraid of with Yellowstone.
I haven't seen it yet, but I was just,
and it's something that was so hyped, you know,
and, but I started watching 1883,
which came out afterwards,
but it's technically like a super prequel.
And then 1923, season one and season two,
and we still haven't got to the Yellowstone.
It's all about the Dutton family.
So at some point I'm going to watch Yellowstone.
It's, I mean, it's good.
It's just, I think my attention span gets away from it.
Yeah.
You have to be ready.
And some of those shows are kind of slow.
There's the slow burns, what I understood.
I mean, Breaking Bad, you know, people love that show.
I've never watched it.
I stalled in the middle of season two.
I was traveling at the time, just never dialed back in,
but that to me was a slow burn show.
Sons of Anarchy, that's a good show.
That was a good show.
I've never seen Sons of Anarchy either.
That's really good.
But yeah, I don't know.
That's about what I do in my free time.
All right.
So what are you doing at the hospital?
I'm not going to fully disclose that.
But how long you've been working for the hospital?
I mean, you dispose of parts.
Is that what you do?
No.
Okay.
I'm just, you know, I'm a hospital work.
I'm healthcare.
I've been in the hospital world since 2008 in some capacity.
No, I'm not doing any of that.
Just helping people is part of my job.
I've become very private about personal life to a certain extent.
Don't want people showing up to my work anymore.
I didn't ask you where you work.
No, I know.
But like it starts leading because there's only so many places
you could work in Arizona that are hospital.
And yeah, I mean, Phoenix, we have,
this is, this is medical.
Because people see me wear banner jackets.
You just told us.
I wear banner jackets.
Okay.
But that's, that's about to feed.
All right.
But, you know, I got a little bit more school left to do
than I'm going to be moving to the next stage.
I do want to eventually be ER trauma surgeon.
I love what I do.
I love medical field.
I've been in the medical field for close to eight years.
So I love it.
I love being able to help people.
Makes a difference.
And it's not me going gung-ho in the military anymore.
It's me instead jumping the other line to protect people
a different way.
Did you do medical stuff in the military?
No, no.
I was polar opposite.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Polar opposite.
Infantry all the way.
Yeah, we touched on that.
I think you're on your very first, I think it was your first time
talking about your relationship growing up, how hard it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The rough military life with the old man, I think.
Yeah, ex-Marine, you know, real dad, sperm donor,
whatever we want to call it.
Right, sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's, I think it was a good choice for me to do it.
I needed growing up.
Um, and now like working in the medical field, it's like, it's a different level.
And being able to protect people, take care of them and nurture them.
And naturally I do that as a dad.
So it's like, it's easy.
And especially because I do a lot in pediatrics.
It's even more passionate to me.
Sure.
Good deal.
That's a real sneak peak, pediatrics.
Well, we actually have several pediatric centers that people who don't know about
Phoenix and even Arizona, because honestly, Phoenix, you got Flagstaff,
you have, you have, or Arizona, you have Flagstaff, you have Phoenix, you have Tucson.
And a decent sized state.
There's not much on the outside of that.
So you're going to be in one of the big three.
And then really it's the big two, Phoenix area and Tucson, but big medical.
University of Arizona is a huge medical school.
ASU is more of a party school, but it does have some degrees as well.
So, um, but yeah, there's, that's mostly everything here is banking and medical.
So that is our bread and butter in Arizona.
It is.
And agriculture, you know, agriculture is huge too.
Not to, not to go down a side shaft a lot bigger than people would think it is.
Yeah.
But I think the new big thing is, you know, all of our guys with stocks.
I mean, I can't go anywhere without somebody talking about stocks, crypto.
That's the new Scottsdale thing.
Like you're going to see your average 19 year old driving a Lamborghini
Huracan cause he's on stock trades and all that.
Yeah.
Day trading, uh, are you into crypto at all?
No, not yet.
Um, what are you waiting on?
I have a couple of people teaching me a little bit more.
It's good though.
You need the education.
I don't want to just jump into it and don't know anything.
Be like totally lost.
Yeah.
When I go into it, I want to be prepared to be like, yo,
this is how I'm going to do it.
Let's raise them stacks and show up and show up even more than I already do.
I think the problem with it is it's, it's not a slow burn.
No.
Slow burns are safer in the long run.
It's a risk.
You have to be, it's a very high risk.
I, I, I don't have any crypto.
I used to a little bit.
I never got to invest it in it.
But invested enough to know that we're still not there yet.
But there's a lot of people who were through the right timing.
Yeah.
They're right up front capital.
I mean, the guys that are training me, I mean, they literally sit in front of four screens.
Yeah, you have to be on it.
Like they're on it and when they're not on it, they have it closed out.
Like, so it's, it's a gambling game.
It's risky.
Even with trading.
I mean, this is stuff that I do plan to get into because eventually I do want to go part
time in the medical because I like money.
I love my money.
I like money too.
It's nice.
Money is nice.
And I'm young enough and smart enough to be able to adhere to a lot.
So that's why I'm working with a couple of guys to teach me a lot because I want to go in with
knowledge.
I don't want to raw dogged and put myself upside down.
You're still in your 20s, right?
Yep.
Like 28, 28.
Just turned 28 as of October.
Must be nice.
Sounds like.
I'm doing I was 20.
I think I was just getting married.
Been down that road.
But no, I just, I want to get rid of like the big misconception and family of,
oh, we need to be rich.
We need to be rich.
I want to be wealthy.
There's a difference.
I want to be wealthy to where my son could snap his finger, go to any school in the world.
Like, sure, rich is great.
Oh, I got a brand new hurricane.
Oh, I got this.
I got that.
I want wealth.
How would you define the difference?
Because one, one, one can be both.
You can.
But the other one isn't both.
But rich is quick money, as we call it, right?
It's quick money.
We got a lot of it.
But when the well runs dry, you're no longer rich.
But when you're wealthy, you're so invested into yourself.
But you don't just invest in yourself.
You're investing into a future for you and your kids.
And wealthy is to the point where you don't think twice about anything.
You're able to actually financially afford everything, medical, whatever it is, whatever comes about.
When you're wealthy, you live life in a certain tier that's so different.
And it's a whole different ballgame.
I mean, you don't just drive Lamborghinis anymore.
You see these guys driving trucks.
You see them driving supercars that are at a higher tier, aka hypercars.
Wealthy is the top tier.
You talk about Bill Gates or any of these other people, that's wealthy.
They invested so much that they're wealthy.
What do you think you would want out of life when you reached that tier that you would consider wealthy?
Like, what would you aspire for?
Like, to me, that's a weird thing to think about and worry about.
Because my whole life, it's like, okay, I want a Ferrari 355.
I want an Acura NSX.
I want to have the big house.
There's almost nothing I couldn't do.
And in a weird way, and I think I may have talked about this before,
it's almost like getting a cheat code on a video game.
Or when you've unlocked every achievement, then what else is there to unlock?
And that's, well, I mean, you can have peace without being wealthy.
To a certain extent.
I guess it depends on what your drive is.
But I think it's an easy argument to make,
that you can definitely have peace without being wealthy.
But it depends on what your drive is.
My son.
I want him to have the best future.
How's he doing?
He's good.
Healthy, spunky.
The kid's awesome.
Yeah.
Seven years old almost, I'll say.
I know.
Because him and Zeke are like the same.
Yeah.
Because Zeke downstairs, he's seven.
Because he's turned seven December 20th.
I know Zeke's birthday is like a couple months before.
It's in September.
Yeah.
I kind of remember.
Yeah, yeah.
Because they're kind of the same.
Of course, that's your son.
That's my oldest grand kid.
But we've always been pretty close.
Between me and you, obviously no one, daughter, everybody.
I mean, it's always been pretty tight in that.
Even hiring your daughter to be a model even.
And she did pretty good.
How did you feel about that when I asked her to be a model?
I never asked you that.
I thought we kind of had that discussion.
I just, I think it was fine.
Oh, right.
You know, because I knew nothing would happen.
You take care of the situation.
I just wasn't sure what, I think she's still trying to,
she was trying to figure out what she wanted to do with things.
You know, and that was kind of cool though, in a way, looking back.
You know, it's like, I was never mad about it.
But I think sometimes it comes up in conversations in a strange way.
So, but I have an event that I scheduled us for coming up very soon, actually,
because we don't, we haven't traditionally done a lot of father, daughter things.
And this is the thing I signed her up in Zika with me to do,
because it's kind of a fun, like I don't think my son would want to do this.
Oh, he probably would, but it's just, you know, your kids are different.
You know, you know what, you know what kids, you know,
what one likes more than the other.
And then they're always very competitive.
And so it's a lot of, well, Huckum dad doesn't invite me to do this,
or Huckum dad never invites me to do that.
And then at some point that comes out of bolter mouths,
but it never comes out to me.
You know, it's always to do that.
And then she's, instead of her having my back, it's always like,
well, why don't you ask him?
I'm like, come on, babe.
I mean, you can answer those questions on my behalf sometimes.
And she's gotten better at it.
It's like, well, because I'm his wife, so he's going to ask me first.
Like that should be, you know, the question or the answer,
the immediate answer to that question.
But anyway, so I'm trying to do more events with both of them.
And even they're older, right?
I mean, there's ones, I mean, she's just,
she's a little younger than you and Marcel's a little older than you.
You know, and I'm still trying to find that balance between the two.
And I'm the third oddball kid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, okay, where's Charles?
Yeah, but anyway, yeah, it's great.
And I'm glad that he's doing great.
You know, we had sushi three or four years ago.
Now it seems like it was that long ago.
And he's just a little ball of energy and a huge smile.
Yeah, I'll never forget that.
He's always the happiest kid.
I mean, you can never wave his smile.
And that's what I love about him.
And that's what inspires me to get back to the point of wealth is
that's why.
I mean, his smile is so unwavering and it inspires me to be the best dad possible.
And I'm like, man, like, this is, this is what I'm talking about.
This is why I do it.
Sure, I could.
That's a different kind of wealth too, by the way, in a good way.
I'm wealthy already in my heart.
But, you know, obviously I could go out and be like,
yeah, I'm going to go get an STL right now.
But instead I'm taking my time.
Sure.
That's smart.
I could get back right into driving a GTR again.
You know, R35, but that's not my main goal.
Do I want to show up and show out for everybody?
Absolutely.
I mean, I'm, that's real talk though.
I'm sitting there edging at the side of my fingers every day of marketplace.
Like, man, I could pull the trigger, but instead, you know, I'm getting things established first
to where I'm putting money aside for him is, you know, the part that I'm looking at and then
supercar on the side.
And I do have a supercar in my lurks right now as we were talking about.
We'll see that shocking.
That'll be a different shock.
And also we'll see that shocking on what happens.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Especially because you know, I don't keep stuff stocked.
Yep.
That's my biggest problem.
I don't keep it long, but I don't keep it stock.
Well, I'm excited to see what happens in the future with you and we'll have to do this again.
But thank you for coming back into hard parking studios.
Of course, man.
It's anything you want to get out there.
I mean, obviously people should clean enough, but there's, um, there's people who are going
to be watching this for the first time introduced to you for the first time.
Tell everybody where they can find you.
We'll be on Instagram, TikTok, and, uh, for those that don't know,
now you know, uh, we are officially starting YouTube.
So my face will be around a lot more.
I never used to really show my face, but I'm coming to YouTube and we're going to start
streaming videos.
Do you guys already have the channel lockdown?
So then how maybe people can early subscribe to it?
We have a channel already.
It's at clean enough, uh, clean enough and you FF.
So two ends back to back.
Yep.
And so is TikTok the same?
TikTok is exactly the same.
Clean enough shows on TikTok.
Um, and yeah, I mean, if you want a thrill life in the fast lane without the price tag,
clean up is the way because we bring the heat every single time.
Yep.
So that's clean enough on Instagram.
Clean enough on YouTube, clean enough shows on TikTok, no underscores.
No, just clean enough shows because I previously made a TikTok, but, you know,
I decided to do illegal acts technically on TikTok, driving crazy.
Yeah, don't get me started on TikTok and their weird, their weird filters and how
they decide what can and can't go.
Livestreaming, driving crazy is not their ideal.
So they stripped my account because I did it a couple of times, but I don't care.
I'll get another account, bring you all more content, keep you having fun.
I don't care.
It's the end of the day.
I'm going to keep bringing the heat, keep my foot on the gas and I'm not letting go this time.
I promise you, I will show up and show out every single time.
I'm not giving up and I'll show you why clean up is the best.
There you go.
Hit it out of the park.
Thanks Charles.
Of course.
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