Classic Car Market Down? Ugly Ferraris & Manual Revival! | BCG Podcast w/ Sy, Adnan & Imthishan
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Classic Car Market Down? Ugly Ferraris & Manual Revival! | BCG Podcast w/ Sy, Adnan & Imthishan
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Porsche 928
The Porsche 928 is a stylish sports car made by Porsche that was produced for many years. It was designed to be comfortable for long drives while still being fun to drive.
Car
Toyota Supra
The Toyota A60 Supra is a model of sports car made by Toyota in the early 1980s. It's recognized for its stylish looks and good performance, which makes it a favorite among car fans.
Concept
classic cars
Classic cars are older cars that many people find interesting or valuable. They are usually at least 20 years old and can be bought for less money than before, making them more accessible to buyers.
Car
Jaguar Etypes
The Jaguar E-Type is a classic sports car known for its sleek design and speed. It was made by the British company Jaguar and is highly sought after by collectors today.
Car
MGB GT
The MGB GT is a classic British sports car that has a sporty look and was made by the MG company. It was popular for its performance and style during the 1960s and 70s.
Car
Ferrari 328
The Ferrari 328 is a sports car made by Ferrari in the late 1980s. It's famous for its stylish looks and powerful engine, making it a sought-after collector's item today.
Term
hyper cars
Hyper cars are some of the fastest and most expensive cars in the world. They are built with cutting-edge technology and are often very rare.
Car
Ferrari 512 TR
The Ferrari 512 TR is a fast and stylish sports car from the early 90s. It's known for its powerful engine and unique design, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
Company
Drivers Union
Drivers Union is a club for people who love supercars. It helps members meet each other and enjoy their cars together through events and activities.
Concept
fully electric car
A fully electric car runs only on electricity and doesn't use gasoline or diesel. It has batteries that you charge, and it doesn't produce any harmful exhaust gases.
Car
Volvo SC40
The Volvo SC40 is a small SUV made by Volvo. Itโs designed to be safe and stylish, making it a good choice for city driving.
Car
Ferrari SC40
The Ferrari SC40 is a car model from Ferrari that some people find surprising or funny because of its design. It shows how Ferrari is always trying new things with their cars.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a super-fast sports car that was made in the late 80s and is famous for its simple design and incredible speed. It's considered one of the best Ferraris ever made.
Car
BMW F80
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that comes from the regular BMW 3 Series but is upgraded for better performance. It's popular because it combines being fun to drive with the ability to be used as a regular car.
Car
Ferrari 458
The Ferrari 458 is a fast sports car made by Ferrari. It has a powerful engine and a stylish design, making it popular among car enthusiasts.
Car
Ferrari 296 GTB
The Ferrari 296 GTB is a newer sports car from Ferrari that uses both a gasoline engine and an electric motor to make it faster and more efficient. It has a sleek design and is built for performance.
Car
Ferrari 512
The Ferrari 512 is a classic sports car made by Ferrari, famous for its powerful engine and stylish looks.
Car
Ferrari 308
The Ferrari 308 is a classic sports car made by Ferrari before the 328. It's known for its unique look and is very popular among car enthusiasts.
Car
BMW 328S
The BMW 328 is a sporty car that is part of the BMW 3 Series. It's known for being fun to drive while still being practical enough for daily use.
Term
grind the gear
Grinding the gear happens when you try to change gears in a car but the gears don't line up right, causing a rough sound. It's usually a sign that something isn't working properly with the car's transmission.
Concept
manual cars
Manual cars are those where you have to change the gears yourself instead of the car doing it automatically. Many people enjoy driving them because it can feel more exciting and connected to the car.
Concept
fast cars
Fast cars are vehicles that can go really quickly. They usually have strong engines and special designs that help them move faster than regular cars.
Concept
restoration
Restoration is when people fix up old cars to make them look and run like new again. This can include repairing parts, painting, and cleaning the inside.
Term
JDM
JDM means cars made for Japan. They often have special features that you won't find in the same models sold in other countries.
Car
Lamborghini Kuntash
The Lamborghini Countach is a famous sports car known for its unique shape and doors that open upwards. It's loved for its speed and is often seen as a symbol of luxury and performance.
Car
Lotus Esprit
The Lotus Esprit is a lightweight sports car that's known for being quick and fun to drive. It's famous for its unique look and has appeared in movies, making it quite popular.
Car
Audi S3
The Audi S3 is a sportier version of the Audi A3, designed for better performance. It usually has a turbocharged engine, but this specific one mentioned was a non-turbo model, which means it has less power.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part of some car engines that helps them go faster by forcing in more air, which lets the engine burn more fuel. This makes the car more powerful.
Term
accelerator pedal
The accelerator pedal is the pedal you press with your foot to make the car go faster. If it gets stuck, the car can keep speeding up without you wanting it to.
Part
front wheel bearing
The front wheel bearing helps the wheels turn easily. If it breaks, the car can have problems steering and might be unsafe to drive.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time and is loved for its speed and unique look. It's known for being fun to drive and can even be used as a daily car.
Car
Ford Cortina
The Ford Cortina is a small car that was made in the UK a long time ago. It was known for being affordable and good for everyday use, especially for new drivers.
Term
piston rings
Piston rings help keep the engine's power inside and stop oil from leaking into the area where fuel burns. If they break, the engine can burn oil and not work well.
Car
Mitsubishi Starion
The Mitsubishi Starion is a sporty car from the 80s that is known for being fast and having a unique look. It's popular among car enthusiasts who appreciate its retro style.
Car
Bugatti Veyron
The Bugatti Veyron is an extremely fast and expensive car that was once the fastest car you could buy. It's famous for its powerful engine and luxury features.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a well-known American car that's designed for speed and style. It's popular because it's fun to drive and has a classic look that many people love.
Car
Toyota Celica
The Toyota Celica is a small, sporty car that was made for many years and is known for being fun to drive. It's popular because it's affordable and has a sporty look.
Car
BMW E30
Car
Honda Crx
The Honda CRX is a small, sporty car that is known for being fun to drive and good on gas. Itโs popular because itโs affordable and has a loyal fan base.
Car
Nissan R34
The Nissan Skyline is a fast sports car that has become famous for its performance and cool looks. It's popular because it's often featured in movies and has a strong following among car fans.
Car
Dodge Magnum
The Dodge Magnum is a big car that looks like a sporty wagon. It's popular because it offers a lot of space and power, making it a unique choice for families who want something fun.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast sports car that has been around for many years and is famous for its sleek design. It's loved for its speed and is often seen as a symbol of American car culture.
Car
Peugeot 308S
The Peugeot 308 is a small car that looks good and is easy to drive. It's known for being comfortable and good on gas, making it a popular choice for city driving.
Car
Ferraris 308S
Car
Nissan Sentra
The Nissan Sentra is a small car that's designed to be practical and good on gas. It's not very flashy, but it's popular for being reliable and affordable.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Dodge Challenger is a big, powerful car that looks like the classic muscle cars from the past. It's popular because it offers a lot of speed and a cool, retro design.
Car
Kia Stinger
The Kia Stinger is a sporty car that looks good and is fun to drive. It's popular because it combines luxury features with a powerful engine at a reasonable price.
Car
Ferrari 28
The Ferrari 288 GTO is a rare and powerful sports car from the 80s that is loved for its beautiful design and speed. It's a sought-after car among collectors because not many were made.
Car
Audi Quattro
The Audi Quattro is a sporty car that features all-wheel drive, making it great for handling in different weather conditions. It's popular for its racing history and unique technology.
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And I know it's a grumpy part of this room.
Well, it's therapeutic.
It's therapeutic, you know what I mean?
It's like, get it off your chest, you know?
That's what it's about, it's therapeutic.
And to find someone who can tweak up three carburetors
on an E-tile.
You know, he's got all the mobile phones from DOT 1.
He's got all of them.
He's a hoarder.
He's a hoarder, yeah.
You know, Jay Leno, on Top Gear,
he said something very important.
And he said to all of us, all of us petrolheads,
he said, if you could, you would.
If you could get all these cars and put them in a unit,
you would, right?
And so-
We'd all be Jay Leno if we could, yeah.
Some people are driving and driving a resurgence
in manual cars all over the world.
Guys, it's how you relate to cars.
And I think it's often through pop culture
and movies and television.
Absolutely.
And I think that that's-
Not getting into the old esoteric Italian stuff,
which typically requires a Giovanni or a Gepetto
to basically keep your bloody car running.
I said, up on this, I would double up with this,
or this and that.
I'm actually sick of it.
20 minutes because of that.
You shit yourself the entire way,
hoping that a caravan won't crash into it.
And when you're in traffic,
you curse everybody and the non-existent air condition.
That's what they're gonna be pissed off.
People are not making cars
that people can actually afford
and enjoy and use every day.
And the Porsche 928 is because of risky business
with Tom Cruise.
I agree with him too, sorry.
Everyone's buying cars
because it touches some certain part of their life.
And that's what's nice about it, isn't it?
You mean the J-Coo, J-J-7,
or the Ziker Z01?
Isn't doing that for you, Jen?
A brown car guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brown car guy.
If I had a choice to live,
I wouldn't live in East London.
That says it all.
You wouldn't?
I wouldn't.
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't live West or North London or something.
Well, I'd rather live in Knight's Bridge,
where that's just in our kind of
ยฃ1.5 million house.
Yeah, East London's not that bad.
It's not that bad, but it hasn't got the best reputation.
When you mention East to people, they go,
oh, do you live in East London?
Oh, OK.
And that's...
Well, if you can drive in East London,
you can drive in anywhere.
It's like, you can drive in Bombay.
I thought they used to...
Exactly, I was going to say,
they used to say that about Indian Pakistan.
If you can drive there, you can drive anywhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's East London now, is it?
Well, I was saying that there's more Indians in East London
than there is in Bombay.
That's true.
And this is the latest edition
of the Brown Car Guide Therapy Session.
And we've actually...
What we do here is we rant, we reminisce,
we rebel in all things automotive.
And we've got a full house today, or we will have.
We've got one more guest coming on in a minute.
So we've got two guests at the moment,
three of us in total, but one more is on there.
So I'm obviously Shazad Sheikh.
I'm the Brown Car Guide.
And we've got joining us, as you will know him well now.
He's been on several of my podcasts,
almost pretty much a regular now.
Sai, who's the founder of Driver's Union,
the biggest multi-marked supercar club in the UK.
And we've got Adnan.
Adnan, your surname is Malik, right?
Adnan Malik.
Adnan Malik, yeah.
Adnan Malik, who is the founder of Land Beasts,
he's in East London.
I put up a video on that just recently,
a couple of weeks ago.
I had a walk around.
I was shown around by the Charming K.
And an incredible collection
of just totally drool-worthy 80s and 90s,
which you can see some of them actually behind them
in the frame, if you...
Maybe you just wanna swing the camera around,
Adnan, give people a glimpse.
Oh my Lord!
There you go.
That is just cool car heaven right there.
And he's got an A60 Supra as well.
And I'm hoping to have one other person join.
So I'll introduce him once he joins.
But in the meantime, let's kick off.
This is a therapy session.
So let's start by talking,
give me a sentence or two
on what has been grinding your gears most of all recently.
Adnan, let's kick off with you.
What's been grinding...
I'll tell you what's been grinding my gears
is how the prices have dropped for classic cars
and they've become affordable for a lot of people
who couldn't afford certain models.
And that's...
It's kind of good for people to...
Are you saying...
I was gonna say,
do you think that's a bad thing or a good thing?
Well, it's a good thing for people who are looking...
For example, E-Types.
If someone...
I mean, E-Types went through the roof.
And recently, I've seen a drop.
And so people who always talk about them,
always wanted them, can actually afford them now.
Whereas for dealers, stuff, people like us,
it's a bit of a pain because...
I suppose if you're holding stock.
Mmm, yeah, yeah.
So, and if you thought your car was worth something,
it's no longer worth that.
And that's kind of across the board with most classics,
not all of them, but most of them.
And...
So are you like sitting there with depreciating stock?
Well, they're not depreciating.
I think there's adjustment.
There's an adjustment in the price.
I think that's definitely happened.
And I think since COVID, they're inflated.
And the prices were through the roof.
I mean, during COVID, we sold everything we had, just went.
And a good example, I can tell you now,
is we had a MGB GT, or MGB Roadster.
Mint one in here.
It was a customer's car.
He bought it during COVID for 24,000.
And we had it for 15,995.
We couldn't sell it.
Couldn't sell it.
And he's taking it back, he's gonna use it
because that's how much that car's dropped.
So that's what's happening.
And that's kind of annoys us,
people, especially if you're in the trade.
It's a budget.
It's a late, sorry, it's a late budget affecting you as well
because no one knows what's gonna happen.
And you know, our tax is gonna go up.
So I mean, the property market has collapsed
at the moment is you can't sell a property.
You can't sell a house.
No.
I've got friends who sell houses.
And is that the same in a motor,
is that the same in a motor trade now?
Is it everything's free to trade?
I mean, I've got a Ferrari here.
I mean, a Ferrari 328 to sell that a few years ago
would have been, would have gone.
But it's sitting here at 75,000 pounds.
And it's one of the nicest ones we have.
Yes, there is definitely a vacuum of hyper cars
and cars above 200,000, 150.
They're no problem because rich,
if you've got 10 million in the bank
and you've lost a million, you still got nine million,
you can buy a five, one, two, TR, whatever.
But it's the average earner who's suffering
because of the cost of living.
They're the ones, and these cars fall into these brackets
from 20,000 up to about 100,000.
And I'm finding that with my finance broker
who's had to move out of his office into home
because the finance deals are no longer going through.
And they're not enough people applying for finance
because no one's buying them.
And it's across the board.
I think that's the same thing with the property market,
isn't it?
I mean, the property market is dead.
The estate agents are hardly setting the high end properties.
Maybe some of them are saying, but everybody's scared
about your stamp duty and potential taxation
on capital gains and what are they doing.
I think everybody, everybody's scared
that the budget will come out in November.
When it comes out, it's late November,
I think it's coming out.
Well, even if it's good news,
no one's going to do anything because Christmas is coming.
No one's going to, everyone's thinking
about Christmas presents and parties.
Then in January, everybody's recovering.
So you're looking around February, March for things
if they do go up, and I don't think they are.
I think it's everything's going down.
Same applies to the car market.
It's the same thing.
Why would you want to have something?
Because classic cars are, you buy with your heart.
You don't buy with your head generally.
So let me, let me just interrupt you Adnan.
So let me introduce my old partner in crime
who's now gone sideways.
Do you want me sideways or do you want me vertically?
Well, you know what?
Just, just put it back the other way
because Adnan is also in a vertical format.
So, you know what?
And so in the live format, people will watch it like this.
And when the edited version, I'll, I'll fix it later on.
So don't worry about that.
But so yeah, Emtishan is my old buddy from Dubai.
He was my deputy editor on Car Middle East Magazine.
Then we founded Motoring Middle East Digital Platform.
And we brought up all kinds of shenanigans.
Well, we work, I probably work longer
with Emtishan than anybody else in my career.
So, you know, and we were a bit of a double act in Dubai.
Most recently, I rejoined him again in December last year
when we were, he was working on the Millimilia
and he very kindly asked me to come over
and assist with that a little bit.
And we had a real laugh.
We had a great time.
Yeah, good.
And Emtishan meet Adnan, Adnan who,
one of two bald guys that we have on today.
I'm wearing a hat just to make sure
nobody knows if I'm bald or not.
But Adnan is the founder of Landbeats.
And Adnan, just swing us around your place again.
He has got the most drool-worthy, there you go.
He's got the most drool-worthy collection of 80s and 90s.
I heard he liked the Porsche.
9-Eleven, yeah.
Yeah, so we've got one there.
I don't know if you can see it.
Yeah, over there.
So yeah, we have.
But you've got a proper 9-Eleven in there as well,
though, actually.
We've got a real 9-Eleven, yeah.
Yeah, you've got a real one.
So we'll come back to your cars in a minute.
And then, of course, the other bald guy that we have is Sai,
who is the founder of many classic supercar clubs
here in the UK.
Currently, he's founder of Drivers Union,
the biggest multi-marked supercar club in the UK.
And so there we have it.
So we were started off, actually,
by I asked what was grinding your gears.
And Adnan was talking about the classic car market
and how prices have sort of appeared to be a little bit
in free fall.
And I think we'll come back to that in a minute.
Let's move on to Sai, because I know Sai,
I know there's a couple of things grinding his gears
right now, actually.
You know what? Get it off your chest.
Go on.
What if I go, I don't know.
I thought I was going to relax smooth
because it does come back from holiday.
Not the messages you've been sending me.
Oh, I've got Ferrari.
Listen to that Ferrari.
And he is a Ferrari owner, by the way.
Let's talk about Ferrari.
So Ferrari, whatever they lost, 20% of their shares
at the moment, collapsing.
I think just after around the time,
they launched the photos, the details
of the new fully electric Ferrari, which is God,
which is Heresy, really, which I think is just crazy.
But you've got to do it.
But now they're reducing the 20%, aren't they?
They're doing 20% of electric cars.
That's a major about turn.
And it's industry-wide.
It's happening across the industry.
They've also said their profits,
they expect reduced profits for the next decade.
And they're the most profitable manufacturer
in the world, a car manufacturer.
And they lose their breath.
And then I woke up the other day
to see photographs of the new SC40, which is.
What is an SC40?
To be honest with you, I have kind of completely lost track
of Ferraris right now.
I can't really keep up with what they're producing
Me too.
I have no idea what's out.
OK, Ferrari.
Shazad, have you got a photo?
Can you put the photograph in the screen?
Hang on, let me get that up, because you put it.
The Ferrari SC40 is if you had seen it online,
you would have thought it's just a joke.
That's the SC40.
So that's the one.
Now, what car do you think that's based off of?
Kia?
I don't know.
Initially, I thought it was that, which is obviously
the latest successor in the lineage of F40.
So that is I don't know.
Where is that an F80 or something?
So the SC40 is is a one off based on and they basically
they it's a homage or homage to the F40.
So what Ferrari do they have this special department
which caters for special one offs?
And then if you've heard about it, so I was actually
lucky a few years ago to take part in one of these.
So they only do they do a presentation for these multimillion
and I'm not a multimillion there.
My friend was.
So these multimillionaires, they do a presentation.
The designer comes over headed department from from Italy
and he'll have a discussion.
They'll tell him is what we're going to do.
So what they do is they say, right, what you do is you
we can customize a car to how you want to create new body
shapes.
Eric Clapton did one as well on a 458 a few years ago.
So they say you choose your model, choose a base model
and then we'll design it how you want it.
So you could say you want to look like a tester or so.
We put the straights in it and once it's made, no one else
can have a car based on that kind of model.
That'll be a one off.
So someone's come along and said, oh, you know what?
I like to have an F40 thing.
So they've got a 296 GTB as the base created the entire
new body design.
I'm looking at it now here and it's looks,
do you know what happened to Ferrari?
Just look shit, my opinion.
I want mince words.
It was, the front is, you know, it doesn't look nice.
So it just shows, there's not by taste.
I mean, the thing is that so Adnan is sitting there
and you've got, I think you've got a 512 in there.
Haven't you, Adnan?
No, no, that's gone.
Oh, is it gone?
So you had a 512 in there and you got a 328.
When yesterday.
When yesterday.
Yeah.
To Malaysia.
Oh, excellent.
And you had it and you've got, but you have a 328.
You were talking about that just a minute ago.
Which to me, the 308, the 328,
to me that sort of epitomizes Ferrari.
When I think of Ferrari, those are probably the two cars
that I think look the most.
They're beautiful.
They're absolutely stunning.
And they're so instantly recognizable.
Like they couldn't be anything else other than a Ferrari.
And when you look at all of this new stuff,
it's a bit crazy.
Now I'm to shine, obviously you're in Dubai.
That's the land of the new supercars and hypercars.
Over here, I guess between Adnan, Sai and myself,
I guess we're getting slightly,
we're sort of sending out vibes
that we're slightly disillusioned about Ferrari
at the moment.
But what's the sense over there?
Great.
Everything's great.
People love Ferrari's.
Don't know what you guys are on about.
They sell out here, people buy them.
They're for young people now.
They're not for you old codgers.
It's true guys.
No, no, that's true.
Here, the young guys are buying the Ferraris, aren't they?
I mean, people our age,
that we are still hunkering after the 328s
and the 512s and the F40s.
Because I think it's an age thing.
This is another topic.
It's an age thing.
I think I did a post on it a couple of weeks ago
and it blew up where I said,
it is literally an age thing.
The young guys don't wanna start a car in the morning
and wait 10 minutes for the oil to come through
and then have to grind the gear into second and third.
They wanna get in, start and go
because they're in the fast world.
That's the thing.
And the modern Ferraris are made for that.
They are.
You can start one up and use it daily, couldn't you?
And a lot of young guys also like Lamborghinis more.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I've got Kuntas here.
A young guy wouldn't know how to start it,
let alone drive it.
Yeah, Kuntas famously, you couldn't use,
was it first and second gear?
You can't use it until it's fully warmed up.
No, it's warm.
I mean, even the 328 is, well, until it's warm,
if you put it in second gear, it grinds
and that's how it was.
Now, if you get a 30 someone and say,
by the way, you're gonna spend 100 grand on a Ferrari
and you can only drive it when it's not raining
because it might rust.
And then you can't start it.
You have to put jump leads on it in case,
he's just gonna walk away.
We see it here.
Oh, it's generational thing.
And the new Ferraris are made for the new generation,
which we can't argue with that, can we?
We're just getting old.
Yeah.
That's all it is.
I mean, I'm only 28.
Yeah.
And you know the kids of today,
the people of kids are born today,
in 30 years, they'll be looking
at internal combustion engines and going,
oh my God, that stinks.
How did you drive that?
True.
Well, we are gonna become,
and I like smokers now standing outside,
doorway, smoke away.
We're gonna be like those.
Oh, look at that guys.
Oh, it's stinking up McCartn Road.
Yeah.
That's basically what happened.
Yeah, that's what happened.
So, unfortunately, it's one of those dying breeds.
And this is why the prices have dropped
because we're getting old
and the people who fix them are getting old.
Yeah, that's true.
So to the point.
It is definitely a generational thing.
And I think we can see that across the board.
And to find someone who can tweak up
three carb reaches on an E-type,
you try finding someone.
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
I'd like to add though that before we all get so negative
is, and I know it's a grumpy part of the show.
However, a lot of...
Well, it's therapeutic.
It's therapeutic.
You know what I mean?
It's like get it off your chest, you know?
That's what it's about.
It's therapy session.
Well, let me add some data in here, right?
So basically, who are the fastest growing section
of the market buying manuals?
It's young people.
Young people are driving a resurgence
in manual cars all over the world.
I think everybody's saying is correct,
but what's different is the nuance.
And the nuance is people wanna drive fast cars,
young people.
I am part of a community in Dubai
that restores all Japanese cars, American cars.
We love working on cars in the weekend.
They're up to my neck in golf covers this whole week.
But you know what they don't want?
They don't want headaches.
They don't want really expensive cars.
The younger generation are what are their super cars?
Obviously the JDM stuff, but they're getting into Porsches.
They're getting into Fords,
but they're not getting into the old esoteric Italian stuff
which typically requires a Giovanni or Gepetto
to basically keep your bloody car running.
Somebody who holds knowledge for himself
because now building, working,
wrenching on cars as the Americans like to say
is a communal thing.
People do it on the weekend.
They go, they race Porsches, greater that.
People, they go, they race, they fix, they break it.
They do it all over again.
With your Kuntash, no point of being tender.
You drive it on a nice day when it's not raining
and the stereo pass is open
and there's no caravans on it.
You go out there, you do 20 minutes.
You shit yourself the entire way
hoping that a caravan won't crash into it.
And when you're in traffic you curse everybody
and the non-existent air conditioning.
And then you get back to your garage praising the Lord
that you have made it back with your value intact
and then you don't drive it again for six months
but you take lots of pictures on the way.
Young people out there, this is driving.
They wanna drive cars.
They want cars that they can afford.
That's what makes me, that's what makes me pissed off.
People are not making cars
that people can actually afford
and enjoy and use every day.
Even the Civic Type R that I'm driving every day
is way too expensive for a hot-hatch buyer these days.
It's a brilliant car, but they chased the wrong end
of the market, it became like a Porsche.
Mind you that they've already,
they killed it off here already
because it just got way too expensive.
We're talking 50 to 60 grand, 50 to 60 grand
for a Civic Type R.
That's just, that's ridiculous.
We've got a message from Tim's,
Tim saying, old, loving eyes
and happy classic prices are falling.
Sorry Adnan in brackets is what Tim has said.
So, I agree with Tim, sorry.
Loathe Sespri Tobes need to come down a lot more as well.
Yeah, well actually an Esprit went for a really silly money.
I shared it with you Si just the other day
because I saw this thing on,
what was it, classic in cars or something?
And it was up at auction
and I thought, I wonder what that will go for.
I posted it on my Facebook page
and it was an S3, non-turbo, but it was an S3.
And it looked really nice.
I think it was black and it went for,
well actually Adnan,
would you like to guess what it went for?
It was an S3, non-turbo.
30,000.
Yeah, I would have thought north of 30,000.
It went, what was it, 15,250?
13,750.
You know, I had a turbo white one,
which I think you've seen a picture of it
in my unit when you came.
And I bought it and I drove it four times.
The first time the accelerator pedal got stuck
at the full throttle.
Second time the door wasn't closed,
so it would go around the corner.
Third time the front wheel bearing collapsed
and this was a mint car.
So I sold it because of that reason.
But it was beautiful to video and picture.
That's what it was good for.
What was it, a series free?
Yeah, it was a turbo.
Yeah, yeah, because of James Bond, right?
Because I bought it because of James Bond.
And I have a question Adnan.
How mint was it?
All the maintenance, all the records, everything.
No, no, it was mint.
I mean, it was the...
Because I always buy the best possible.
I don't skimp on buying cars that need work
because I believe that someone else spent
all the money on it and then you buy it.
And so this was a mint, mint car.
But again, I mean, it was made...
They're like as if it was made in a shed
down in, I don't know, Suffolk somewhere.
But, I mean, don't get me wrong.
Beautiful shape and one of the most iconic shapes.
And, but I sold it because I could never, never use it.
And I've had it for 10 years, 10 years.
I mean, the one that she's had said,
I mean, looking at it, 13,700.
Yeah, it's cheap.
A recent engine out service
with approximately 12,000 pound in rubber here.
Yeah, barely got their money back.
12,000 pounds spent.
They sold it for 1,750 pound more.
It's like crazy.
That must have been a real crap car.
If you want to get rid of that cheap.
I'm talking of old cars.
I mean, Imtoshan, was it three years or four years
you were doing the Millimilia?
Yeah, three and a half years to be exact.
Three and a half years.
So you would get a bunch of cars out of storage
because I was with you the last time you did this.
And they would run pretty much a thousand kilometers
across the UAE.
1600 to be exact.
1600, that's amazing.
And not actually that,
I mean, I don't know about your previous years experience
but when I was with you, not that many faults really.
Sort of.
I mean, my job was to make sure
nobody knew about the faults.
Yeah.
But I had three teams of mechanics
working day and night.
Do you remember that bit?
Yeah, that's true actually, yeah.
We kind of drive around the block
and hand them over to the mechanics at night
and go to bed, wouldn't it?
Yeah, well, yeah, basically I had to keep
the darn things on the road
and our job was to basically test them every night.
Fix, I mean, you can't take a car out of storage
and run it hard.
Fortunately, the only one that you can do that
is a Porsche.
A Porsche, you can run like absolute dog shit
for the first day or so
and then once it runs the old fuel and whatever
and then it gets working again.
Sadies are the same.
What is never works properly, breaks my heart,
is any Jag, any Jag is just,
they all broke down.
Not a single British car we had made it to the end.
Very, very a high-end Mercedes.
So we had a 600 grocer
that didn't even make it out of the car park.
The brakes failed while it was going uphill
which is great because then six men
couldn't push that bloody behemoth uphill.
Yeah, there are lots of cars in there
that that's a myth once again.
Classic cars are a fath.
They're just a fath.
And these are good cars.
These are all low mileage cars.
Do you remember the GTS Porsche that we had,
the 928?
The 928, yeah.
What a brilliant car.
That was kind of my car for the first few days.
And then you gave it back.
I did, you know.
To be honest, I've always liked the 928.
I've always been a fan of it.
I've always loved it.
And I have driven it once before briefly.
I think it was from the US Carbuyer magazine
back in the day, we did a review on it.
And then I was quite looking forward to this one.
But I don't know if it was that particular car
or something about it.
I didn't quite connect with it.
I didn't really, I really didn't connect with it.
Do you know who did connect with it?
Me.
Yeah, you liked it, bizarrely.
The guy who says the Porsche's a dream by pricks
ends up loving both the 911 and the 928.
Is it 911s only or all Porsches?
All the bloody things.
I can't stand the things.
And yet I ended up loving these two cars
because they became human.
I think, say, that's the thing.
Personality, yeah.
They're absolutely human cars.
Like the 911 that I had as my personal car during the rally
is the grumpiest.
Oh, my God.
It is the most Nazi car you ever imagined.
That thing just wants to murder you.
You can't, you're going to get counseled.
You can't say that.
It's too late.
It's a safe space.
It's just angry.
And it just wants to cause trouble.
It's right wing.
It's out there.
It's as a hooligan.
And yet what it wants is to be taken by the scruff
of the neck and driven heart.
It even destroyed Porsche's Ard's model
character in the half an hour that he drove it.
But the 928, oh, running like shit, absolutely,
when you brake, because it had a vacuum leak,
the engine would shut off because there
was a leak in the brake booster.
So you had to brake while hitting the accelerator, which
is a novel experience, believe me,
for those who are not used to it.
I used to do that in my old Cortina, my first car.
But once you learned, once you
learned what the car could do, you're fine.
Once you understood how to keep it going,
it's a bit like an old war film, getting the bombers home,
all shot up, one wing hanging off.
Well, you did.
You did kind of have to nurse it home.
I certainly felt that.
And I think was it on the second day or whatever,
we were going up the famous Jebel Hafeet, which
if everybody knows you could not, it couldn't.
And this was the thing, because you were in the 9-11
and your social media guy was with you.
And he was trying to take pictures or videos of some
of the cars that were in the convoy.
And he kept telling me, he's like, Shazad, go.
Just go, because I don't need you.
You go, and I need to shoot.
And I was like, I'd like to, but I can't.
Because I can't get up the damn mountain.
Because I'm giving it all she's got, Captain.
And that's it.
That's all I've got.
I think it didn't like you.
Because when we were going back to Abu Dhabi
in the last bit, and you know, we
was frying the piston rings.
It was burning oil.
It was dying in front of us.
But by gun, I took it round that flyover that
interchange at about 160 or 170 miles per hour
in your language.
It was happy as well.
It was just, it's not a go, go, go.
It just didn't like you.
Maybe, maybe.
But you know, the thing about classic cars,
and that will probably be interesting
if you agree with me, but they are very, very different.
And they're very different personalities.
And unlike modern cars, like I review cars,
Imtoshan reviews cars, nowadays any car
I get invited to review, I probably
know 90% of what the car is going to be like
before I've even looked at the car,
before I've even gotten into it.
I've pretty much got a good idea of what
it's going to be like.
But classic cars continue to surprise you.
So I'm not really necessarily a Mercedes guy,
but one of the cars that I really fell in love with
on the Millimilia last year was we had a 6.9.
What was it, 450 SE, 6.9.
78, 9.0.
Ronin car, absolutely the right car.
Oh my God.
To a man, anybody that fell in that car
just fell in love with it.
It was unbelievable.
It was just a rumbly, big old beast of a boat
that instantly you felt at home, you felt happy,
you felt satisfied, and I just couldn't stop.
At any time I had it, I couldn't stop driving it.
That's because of that film Ronin, isn't it?
You've been watching that film.
It wasn't even that.
It was literally the car itself.
It was the character, the personality of it,
this big, lumbering, comfy beast
that felt like it had this inherent potency
hiding within it.
And you just felt like there was one point,
because we had guests across three different hotels
at one point in Russell Hamer.
And initially I was taking the journalists
from one to the other,
and then I was supposed to join everybody for the dinner.
I kept on doing it for another couple of hours
because I was just picking up random people,
going, ah, did you want to go to the,
ah, I'll drop you, no problem.
Because I was just loving cruising around in this thing.
It was incredible.
Yeah, that was a car.
I mean, just going back to the Porsche 928,
my favorite driving car is my white one, is the S2.
So that is what I use in the summer.
I think you've seen it, haven't you, Shazard?
So I use that throughout the summer as my daily car.
And the 928 for me is probably one of the most complete cars
that I have in terms of reliability,
driving, the seating position, and just a V8 grunt.
And it's an S2, so it's not the most powerful one.
But I think they are, as a complete Porsche,
it's one of the nicest.
I'd rather drive that than a 911 of the same period.
Interesting.
Interesting.
We've had Tim has come back,
I think he's talking about your Lotus,
because he said, mint, was it a Polo?
Sounds like it had a lot of holes.
And we've also had Henry come back.
Henry's a good friend of the channel.
And he says, love that showroom.
The opinion of East London is changing.
It's now a cool area.
So I think you've just enhanced the cool appeal
of East London now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, that's good.
Yeah, so the Porsche 928 for me is,
I think it's one of the best Porsches ever built,
but so be shadowed by the 911.
What color is yours?
It's white.
It's white.
It's just parked right next to me.
Yeah, let me put this thing around.
I don't know if you can see it.
There you go.
It is gorgeous.
Yeah, there.
But if you keep the camera there for a little bit
and swing it around,
because you've got the 928,
but next to the 928,
you've got a bit of a rare red beast there,
which is the Mitsubishi Starion.
The Starion, yeah.
Yeah, that's the Starion.
That's 43,000 miles.
And it's a 2.6.
Another stunning car, yeah.
Absolutely.
Now, one of the things that I was,
when I was chatting to a nun,
he's got a lot of film and TV memorabilia as well
in his office.
And one of the things that caught my eye
was an action figure of Steve Austin,
the $6 million man.
He's actually got what the Bionic Eye,
he's actually got that.
And I was like, whoa.
And I think that this was something
that Imtoshan and I often discuss,
is how you relate to cars.
And I think it's often through pop culture
and movies and television.
And I think that that's something
that you really lean into, isn't it Adan?
Funny enough, pretty much every car
that is here in my collection
is because of a connection to either a movie
or where I used to see it during the day.
So absolutely, there's a starry on.
I've got purely because if you look at,
what do you call it?
Cannonball run film.
There's a black one in it.
The Kuntash, well, I mean, when we were growing up,
that was a veron to us.
Am I right?
Yeah.
I mean, you know,
you never thought of owning a Kuntash.
And the moment I could afford it 24 years ago,
I financed the crap out of it.
And I just didn't live anywhere,
apart from just have this car and lived at my parent.
And so every single car, and the Porsche 928
is because of Risky Business with Tom Cruise.
You know, when I saw that movie in 1982,
I think the earlier one, he had the gold one.
So the S2 resembles that.
So I have that.
The NSX I've got is because of Ayrton Senna.
So every, so we buy cars,
and I think the youngsters do the same.
They buy cars which connect them to a time or a period.
I mean, and 9-Elevens, I'm sure as a 9-Eleven enthusiast,
no man's land with Charlie Sheen.
Have you seen that movie?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's probably one of the best movies
for a 9-Eleven, isn't it?
I mean, 9-Elevens, he steals 9-Elevens,
and he doesn't want Italian trash.
So yeah, so every single car in my collection
is a link to my past,
whether it's a movie,
or whether I used to see the car every day,
and someone was driving it, and so on and so forth.
I've got an M635 CSI here.
I think of all the BMWs, for me, a 6-Series E24,
is probably the best-looking BMWs,
but that's my opinion.
West and Martin, you know, James Bond.
No, the thing about this is a problem.
I don't like showing off with my cars.
I think anyone who drives an Aston Martin thinks he's James Bond.
That's true.
One amongst us does, indeed, drive an Aston Martin.
Yeah, right.
And I do play James Bond music.
Yeah, so the problem is, wherever you go in an Aston Martin,
people look at you and go thinking,
he thinks he's James Bond, even if you don't.
So it's got that stigma with it.
I agree with you.
I'm part of the someone I know in this club,
and they are obsessed with James Bond.
They have 007, eights.
Anything you do with Bond, you know, what's that group?
I've Bonded this, I'll double over this, I'll listen.
I'm actually sick of James Bond because of that.
And I want to sell mine,
I want to sell mine soon and get a 911.
Yeah, yeah.
I think with the prices being the way they are,
you'll have to give it away, I think.
You can't sell it.
I think I'll have to pay money to take it away.
Yeah.
I think Deshaun, of course, you had a very famous
movie-related car.
Yeah, a DeLorean.
Oh!
Yeah, which is a proper, proper, nothing I sold it.
It was great.
I had for five and a half years,
I did everything humanly possible with that car.
That was a fantastic, not yet, not yet.
Or maybe I'll just never know.
I like one of them, but the same thing,
when you draw around in it,
you just literally back to the future all day long.
And it's, that's the whole appeal, though.
I mean, it's okay up to a point,
but the problem is with Back to the Future
is people start living their own Back to the Future fantasy
because they start thinking it's their car.
So they all just want to get behind the wheel
and take pictures.
When you see like a Tester Rosa, nobody thinks,
oh, I'm Don Johnson.
They take a picture of the outside of the car.
But when they see a DeLorean,
they want to get into the car
and they can sod right off.
That's the problem.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, the other thing is, I recall,
is everybody wanted to touch it
because of the stainless steel.
And that drove you crazy.
Yeah.
Everyone's got 87 miles per hour.
Yeah.
It was fingerprints, fingerprint city.
I walked around, I had a bottle of Windex in the car
and a soft cloth so that I could just constantly keep wire.
I looked like the guy from Citizen Carnot
or whatever, constantly like squirting the thing.
What do you, what do you clean them with?
It's aluminium, right?
Stainless steel body, but it's just panels.
But it's just an esprit with stainless steel body.
Honestly speaking, you wash it like any other car.
Okay.
Yeah, good.
Yeah, yeah.
I have a customer who's got one.
He loves it.
He drives it and he's made it more reliable,
whatever that means.
He's probably taken it to certain places.
They've made it more reliable, but he uses it a lot.
So, you know, again, it's a lovely car.
I would love to have it in a collection,
but would I drive it a lot of it?
Maybe, I don't know, possibly.
I would say that it's very comfortable.
So it's like an esprit.
So you've got the same sort of things
that are due to a modern esprit, which is modernize it,
fix up the fuel injection, take care of the cooling system,
but this all well understood upgrades.
Take all the cats.
It had cats, which are a very stupid idea
because they were early 80s cats.
So mine had no cats.
It was basically free flowing exhaust.
And that thing sounded like a 9-11 at the end of it.
It was very loud and very rotty.
And then you can get coilovers.
Basically, it's a modifier's dream
because once you modify it, it handles beautifully.
I would put it up against a 9-11 of the period.
It handles really well.
And it's not particularly quick, but you can make it quick.
There are ways to make it quick.
And then you have a car that's pretty reliable
and easy to use every day.
And if you want attention, nothing else on Earth compares.
It's very big.
100%.
I mean, in Dubai, because I often used to be.
I couldn't go anywhere.
I inevitably would follow Imtoshan to events
and stuff like that.
And I would just see people sort of gravitating
towards this car, because people are obviously
driving along and got their phones out to take a picture.
And the cars are sort of zeroing in on his car.
So it was quite scary.
But honestly, we'd be going on Jamera Beach Road or whatever.
There's a Bugatti Veyron.
There's a Lamborghini, whatever.
There's a Ferrari.
Nobody cares.
DeLorean?
Oh my god.
That is the instant superstar.
Funny.
It was incredible.
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Yeah, my Mustang.
I've got 67 fastback here.
It is beautiful.
I've seen the car.
That does the same thing, similar sort of thing.
That, I think that and the Kuntash anniversary,
they're the two cars that get photographed the most.
And obviously the DeLorean, if that was OK.
Yeah, so certain cars have that thing, don't they?
Because it's a John Wick car.
No, no, no, no.
The John Wick is a Mac.
It's a Mac one.
69. No, it's not a Mac one.
It's a King Cobra.
It's a boss.
No, it's not a boss.
It's not a boss.
It's a 429, I believe.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's right.
Yeah, I know my American stuff as well.
So, yeah, yeah.
So this is the size.
Buddy's got a replica of it.
What's your friend's name?
Right.
Colin at Sheesh Restaurant.
Yeah, he's actually turned it into a John Wick replica,
including with the gold coins, fake gold coins.
I think he's got a gun in there as well and stuff
and a stuffed dog.
Hang on, you see he's got a gun in there.
It's a fake gun and I think he's got a fake gun.
I'm going to say it's taken a bit far.
Or he's got a rifle, I don't know.
But he's turned it into a four.
You know, he's got a fluffy dog as well.
Right, right, right.
Is the dog alive?
No, it's not a stuffed one.
It's a toy one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it sounds really loud.
Well, the Eleanor ones are now going for genuine Eleanor,
not genuine, but replica Eleanor leprechauns.
They're for 100,000 plus.
I think there's a company here.
Is it?
I can't remember what's the name.
He sells them for 200,000 quid.
Who pays 200 grand for a Mustang?
I don't know.
Well, there's a friend of mine here, Peter Kavala.
Maybe you're referring to him as American classic cars.
And again, like you were talking earlier about post-COVID.
And I remember chatting to him post-COVID.
And he said, look, he said, they're all gone.
He said, all my cars are gone, and I can't get any more stock.
Because post-COVID, he said, everybody just wanted them.
Yeah, yeah.
And people were like literally calling up and said,
I'm sending you the money.
He said, no, don't you want to come and see the car?
No, no, I'm sending you the money.
Just send me the car.
That's it.
That was it.
Like, no discussion.
And he said, now it's sort of calmed down a bit,
but he's still struggling to get stock.
The vast majority of the cars that he sells
are either already or he has to respray them highland green.
Because there's a big demand still for bullet mustangs.
Yeah.
And I think Eleanor is like second on the list.
We've had a comeback from Tim.
I'm not quite sure what he's saying here.
Maybe you can decipher.
At Nuns Right, I bought my GTR4 Dove not for the looks,
but rarity because it was four days older than me.
But I was delighted when I learned
that the roof was by Harrington's,
who also built the Italian job coach.
Yeah, brilliant.
Yeah, absolutely brilliant.
Excellent.
Yeah.
So this is what I mean.
Everyone's buying cars because it touches them
some part of their life.
And that's what's nice about it, isn't it?
You mean the Jku, JJ7 or the Ziker Z01?
Isn't doing that for you, Gens?
And Nuns like what?
I'll tell you what, another car I bought,
but I know it was upon the Fibre Trans-M, the GTR.
The basically the Knight Rider one, but the last one.
I specifically didn't want it in black for that same reason.
I didn't want to drive around and people thinking,
look at that idiot.
He thinks he's Michael Knight.
And so I bought a grey one and I like stupidly sold it.
So anyway, let's not go into American car stuff.
That's a different board game altogether.
No, but what I want, I'll try and go inside.
I was going to say, I got quite excited
because I thought you were talking about the smoke in a bandit.
No, no, no, that's another one.
That's another one.
Now, I bought the GTA, the 5.7.
It was a last of incarnation of the Knight Rider car.
It's probably the best ones they made.
But in that period, the American cars
had the emissions stuff on the engine.
It dampened the...
They strangled them.
Absolutely, Ziker.
So when you take it all off, it transforms the car.
All those cars in that period.
So one of the cars, you're saying,
one of the cars we want to move away from American cars,
but also one of the cars that you actually got there, actually,
and is a car that I bought
and talking about how you influenced by movies to buy a car,
but I was influenced by this car,
which was not movie or TV related.
I bought, this was in the 90s,
I bought an A60, 1984 Toyota Celica Supra.
And that car, which you've got one in your place as well.
And that car had such a personality
that I found myself physically changing how I dressed
and how I looked.
You know, I went into that whole long black leather jacket,
you know, and I started doing all these things
because I started thinking that I needed to live up
to the personality of that car.
So by inference, a cool car made the owner cooler.
So I wasn't trying to be anybody,
but I was sort of, part of my personality
was developing because of that car.
Right, right.
So you thought you were Michael Knight.
Basically, by the way, okay.
Yeah, and funnily enough, that car is sitting right here
and there it is.
It is beautiful, I love that car.
I still love that car.
That's probably, it's in the top three that I've ever owned.
That, the little Honda CRX and the BMW E30,
are my top three cars.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, the digital dash on it
is what did it, the Knight Rider thing, didn't it?
Yeah, absolutely.
Digital dash, pop-up headlights, straight six engine.
I mean, what's not to like?
Digital dash still work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Funny enough, the Japanese digital dash works,
but if you buy an Opor or a Vauxhall, they all go wrong.
Whereas on this one, it's never,
it's always working fine.
Absolutely amazing.
Japanese.
Yeah, Japanese, yeah.
Yeah, which is funny because whenever we start
a Japanese car up after two years,
you put back your own start,
a German car, Italian car, no chance.
No chance.
It's just causing, but apart from Porsche before that comes in,
a 911 normally starts straight away.
And a 928, yeah, it's okay.
928 is quite good, it's reliable.
You've got to use them though, you have to use them.
No car, I don't think any car was made
to be sitting around, engines have to be used.
And working as a, having a workshop here,
we see so many low mileage cars come in,
which are terrible.
Yet the high mileage cars equal,
100 times better.
You know, you're echoing something that I've always said,
and people have kind of always,
especially when it comes to classic cars,
people are always looking for low mileage.
And I'm like, why are you looking for low mileage?
Because that means that car hasn't been used.
There's a friend, a mutual friend of mine
in Imtichan's in Dubai, a guy called James Burnett.
And he used to work at the Lotus factory
when they still were making Lotus Espris.
And he was one of their,
I think he was one of their test drivers.
And I remember chatting to him,
just referring back to your Esprit earlier.
And I remember chatting to him and he was like,
yeah, they are problematic.
He said, unless you use them every day.
And he said, see, at one point it was his company car.
And he said, you never had a problem with it
because he was using it every day.
And that was simply it.
Yeah, absolutely.
We've got an anniversary contention for recommissioning.
It's done 11,000 kilometers.
And the owner is having to spend nearly 15,000 pounds
in just parts alone.
I mean, you're looking at HT leads for 1,200 pounds.
Wow.
And then there's labor,
just to get the car running on the road.
Whereas my one, which is I'm sitting behind that one,
has done 38,000 kilometers,
which is quite high for a contention, by the way.
I think Jay Leno's got the other one,
who's done about 60,000.
This one doesn't leak any oil, starts on the button,
the carburettors now go out of tune.
So there is something to say,
but the problem is low mileage is
what people look at when they come to buying.
And that's the problem.
And the Ferrari guys are the worst.
Yeah.
It went over 30,000 miles.
Well, my Ferrari is now 360, 54,000 miles.
Yeah.
Which Ferrari do you have?
360 Spyder.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah.
I've modified it.
I've got a challenge.
Should I kick on it?
I've got challenge should I exhaust?
It's very loud.
Very loud.
Yeah.
I've got, because I've put those Caprista sports caps
on it as well.
And I think I'm happy with a car.
And if I sold it, there's nothing else I can get,
which you could ever replace it.
They spent 100,000 more, 80,000 more for a 458.
That's the same thing.
I'm going to still be stuck in traffic.
Probably won't sound as large.
Get a guillardo, but it's a really,
it's a lovely car, but it doesn't rock my boat.
So I'm just keeping my 360.
Yeah, absolutely, efficient.
I'm happy to have.
There's no rules about classic cars.
You buy what makes you feel good.
Yeah.
I think there's a question that's come in.
I think maybe Imtoshan could take this one.
The question is, so what car is the next
made famous in the movie's car that we should be buying
now that'll be worth a fortune in 15 to 20 years time?
There are no car movies.
So you're kind of stuck.
If the stuff that's already,
the next stuff is already grain sky hangers.
All the fast and furious cars are going to the roof.
R34 GTRs are already knocking on the door for a million dollars.
The new fast and furious movies,
they're all featuring old cars,
which kind of tells you a lot about
where they can't find any new cars worth talking about.
I was at the W motor showroom or factory actually
in Dubai a couple of weeks ago.
I remember W Motors, they did the
Lycan Hypersport thing that was in.
Well, that wasn't fast and furious.
It jumped between the two buildings.
I saw the actual car, the jump car.
They have it there.
I don't know how many they sold them to be honest of you.
I don't know. It's very hard to say.
But that car should have gone into space,
should have in terms of values,
but I can't find them.
I can't find any cars for sale.
I can't find how many cars have been sold.
So it's all much of a muchness.
Everything is iconic now.
The problem is for something to become
something that we desire or want to own years afterwards.
You need to add time.
And you can't decide so quickly.
At nightlight, it took 20 years to get to the point
where it was, right?
Same back to the future, it took about 20 years as well.
But right now, if you make a car movie tomorrow,
you need 20 years after that to see
if it has an impact on the car market.
And none of us are gonna be around then, I suspect.
Yeah, it's very hard to tell.
So you have to look back.
It's 2025.
You have to look back to essentially 2005.
And what car movies were big in 2005?
Not a lot.
No, it was the Boston Furious, wasn't it?
It was Boston the Furious,
which is why those cars are going up.
European films, Europeans,
because the war in Iraq was happening.
So nobody was thinking,
oh, let's make a lighthearted car film, right?
The whole culture was very dark, et cetera.
So nobody's making these silly films about cars.
Everybody's like, we need to get serious now.
And that kind of has hung on through this time now
where nobody wants to make a car movie
because it's like, oh, it's, you know,
but it's not really something we should be making.
We should make films.
So...
The other thing about growing up
in all the car movies and car TV shows and what have you
was that it was part of them envisaging the plot
of something or the personality of the hero,
the protagonist or whatever,
where they would literally associate with a car,
Don Johnson Ferrari, Magnum Ferrari,
wherever else you can think of, A-team,
the van, Face Man, the Corvette,
obviously David Hasselhoff with the Trans-Am.
So I always felt like a lot of thought
had always been put into, okay, this is the hero.
This is where he is.
This is what he does.
What car does he drive?
That would be like the fourth question.
I forgot to mention this to you recently.
I drove a couple of Ferrari's, 308s recently.
One of them was pretty much a right-hand drive version
of the car from the show, a fiberglass car.
So the carbureted engine.
The other one was a 308, but a late car, American spec.
So QV, it wasn't running particularly well.
They handle so nice, but, but, but, but, but.
The other one is probably a better car,
more sorted, et cetera, the later car.
But the early car is lighter, nastier.
It has that carbureted engine and it just,
that is the car that makes you feel
like Thomas Magnum, irrespective.
And that is the one you should get is,
and obviously the values of those
have gone through the roof,
but the early cars are unbelievably special.
So I think when you get a car that is a movie car,
two things have to happen.
Number one, it has to look like you remembered
when you were a wee kid.
Secondly, it has to drive to the level
that satisfy you as an adult.
And that's not always easy
because these are dated cars.
So the Ferrari 308s I've driven up to this point
have all been kind of disappointing.
This is the first 308 I thought, oh wow, this is fantastic.
By the way, it didn't stop.
The brakes weren't working.
So that was a slight problem,
which is old car shit yet again.
The DeLorean, I think when I got it,
didn't matter how it drove
because it traveled through time, right?
But as Shazad knows over the years,
I threw many thousands of pounds at it,
making it like a proper driving car.
So that has to happen.
And I think if cars don't have
that kind of drivability,
it doesn't matter what movie it's in.
But you know, all the new movies now,
they're using all the old cars.
So that's a trouble.
So the young guys, sadly, in 10 years time,
they won't be able to afford these
because it'd be like stupid money.
They're still asked.
They already are stupid money.
Yeah, they're all using old cars
and all the old cars that they actually use in the movies
are all replicas.
So they're not actually even the real cars
because it's too expensive to use them.
In fact, I get many calls from various production,
whatever, companies or scouts or they call them,
asking if I can, they can rent my car for the weekend
because it's a film crew.
There's a company, is there a Studio 424, 242 or something?
Yeah, it's a big warehouse.
What's his name?
Can't remember his name.
Yeah, he's got like level, I've been there once
and they, apparently a lot of their cars
are used in the TV and movie industry.
I don't give them because these are my toys
and I don't want to give my toys away
and it comes back and they say,
if they're ruining it, they'll pay for it.
But you don't really want the clutch
gone on a Countache and them to pay for it
because they'll never be the same again.
So this is-
Shazad knows exactly how many times
I was asked to borrow DeLorean.
It was like one a week, I think pretty much.
Well, yeah, but you had the only working
on the road DeLorean in the entire UAE at the time.
Yeah, there are a few here now.
Yeah, there are a couple, there are more and more popped up.
So I wouldn't own it now because I wasn't the only one.
I'm like that.
I think we need-
But you sold it too early though
because the prices are going even higher now.
That's all right.
Money is for fools anyway.
We need to go to Dubai and do a podcast
from Dubai together, all of us.
Yeah.
It's not a bad idea.
By the way, the fact that they're not making
car movies is not entirely true.
It's just that they're coming in,
they're smuggled into other films in strange ways.
So what we think of as car movies is car movies
where there's a hero with like, you know,
a Hawaiian shirt or somebody that walks into
screen with cool glasses.
But now car movies are coming at the edges
of other films.
There was Baby Driver many years ago,
which I didn't like that much,
but it had a cars as part of it.
There's a movie-
Subaru.
Subaru, yeah.
Subaru in the opening sequence, yeah.
There's a movie in the cinemas right now,
which is I think probably some of the best
car casting I've ever seen.
And it's the new Leonardo DiCaprio film,
One Battle After Another,
which I highly recommend people go see.
Have you seen it?
I was wondering whether they were watching it.
They were watching.
Good movie.
Really?
But the car casting, Adnan,
you recognize is absolutely right.
Certain people drive certain cars
and they make total sense for the character.
Like the hero drives this Nissan Sunny Slash Sentra,
and it's got a horrible record,
it's got a hole in the exhaust.
It's unbelievable.
Spoiler alert for science.
Spoiler alert.
Spoiler alert.
He's only mentioning the cars.
He didn't mention the plot.
I don't want to know anything about it.
It's not a spoiler movie,
but everything about the cars and the people,
some of the bad guys drive muscle cars,
which is not a surprise,
but the way they use the cars,
the way they become characters
who represent the people,
that to me is really interesting.
Did you think that Adnan,
when you were watching it?
Yeah, I did.
I did.
You know what?
I've forgotten a lot about the movie.
I only saw it a few weeks ago.
Yeah.
But it shows you how modern movies
don't impact me as much as they may.
It's probably age as well.
Yeah, it's probably age.
But yeah, you're absolutely right.
It's got a car,
but I don't think it's enough
for people to go.
It's just not enough for people.
It's not a car movie.
Those kind of movies will never be made again, man.
They'll never run.
Nobody.
No.
I mean, maybe they should do a cannonball run,
another one.
I'm sure they could.
Oh, I've so often...
And they could use all the modern cars.
Yeah, I've even...
Impechan knows this.
I've even written a short story
that's called Camelball Run,
where I envisage the re-running of the cannonball run,
but in a modern era,
but in the Middle East, you know?
Yeah.
One thing, I want to take issue with something
that you said earlier.
It's like, you know,
I don't know if it was you or Si,
that if you're driving a certain car,
that you don't want to be...
You don't want to be obvious that you're...
If you're driving a black trans-am,
who does he think he is?
Michael Knight.
But I'm like, what's wrong with that?
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, what's wrong?
You know, because at the end of the day,
you don't want to see a black trans-am turn up,
and then a short, ugly guy get out of it.
Do you know what I mean?
You want to see somebody who's like,
oh, yeah, it could be a Michael Knight.
And surely the car sort of infuses you
with that sort of personality and character, right?
And also, don't you want people to...
Like with Impishan's car,
wherever you park it up,
people just back to the future, you know,
and they just wanted to see the doors up,
and they wanted to see that.
And I was like, well, let them see...
Because one of the things that's important for me
is like, if a car can provide some joy
and some pleasure to people that see it,
why not?
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
And this is why my unit and my showroom here
is open for anyone to come and enjoy that.
Absolutely, I totally agree.
And in fact, if I go up Knightsbridge in some of my cars,
especially the Mustang, and I park it up
and I have a coffee watching me and my friend,
and he's got a Challenger 70,
it's just lovely for them.
And tell you what, it's the best business marketing
because they want your business card.
And you end up giving out about 50 business cards
by just having a coffee in Knightsbridge.
So, yeah, I mean, classic cars are...
They're art because they were designed by a human
and they're nostalgic.
So, yeah, it's 100%.
It's a personal thing.
I don't want to drive around thinking Michael Knight,
and that's just a personal thing.
I want to buy a Batmobile.
Yeah.
That's what I want.
Yeah, because he has got the Batman suit.
I've got the Batman suit.
He's got the Batman suit from the 1989 Keaton movies.
But the question is, do you fit in it?
Okay, all right.
A bit of a belly, but yeah,
I'm going to wear it next Saturday to excel at Comic-Con.
So, I'm taking my time.
Well, I live next to Excel, so I'll see you there.
You know, Si, Implichandas was involved in Comic-Con
in the UAE.
In fact, it was because of Implichandas
I got to sit in and see William Shatner.
All right.
I was going to pick it.
William Shatner's still alive.
See?
Very much so.
He's still very old.
How old is he?
A hundred?
Must be a hundred.
By the way, one car I must tell you that I like,
modern car, which I will buy, is a Kia Stinger.
Now, I don't care what you lot say about it,
but it's a great car.
I think that's going to be a future classic.
You know, the Kia Stinger is a car that had a lot of promise.
It didn't quite live up to its promise.
It doesn't matter.
Me and Implichandas reviewed the car in the UAE.
I liked it.
It looked really good.
I thought it was great.
It drove really well.
One of the things that really disappointed me
was that the engine sound was entirely simulated.
You couldn't hear anything from outside the car.
You know what?
The point is, it's rare.
It's modern.
It's rare, and it just looks muscly,
like a muscle car, a little muscle car.
For me, that's enough.
You know what I've got?
Here's a car.
Listen to this.
I've got a Hyundai F2 Evolution Coupe.
Do you remember them?
I bought that for ยฃ800, but when I look at them...
ยฃ800?
Wow.
Yeah, that's a lot of money, right?
But I tell you what, now that Hyundai are known quite well,
suddenly, people are looking at that,
because they only made a few of them
for rallying homologation, right?
So I bought one.
And to me, I don't care what the value is,
the same thing with the Stinger.
I wouldn't mind buying a Stinger, a grey one.
You know, you've just reminded me of something,
because you're sitting there,
you've got a con-tasque behind you,
and you've got Ferrari 2.8 and stuff like that.
But one of the cars that fascinated me most in your collection
was a yellow Bluebird.
Yes, there.
A yellow Datsun Bluebird.
Look at that.
And that's a car that apparently you just rescued.
You found them rotting in somebody's house
and you just rescued it.
Yeah, so it wasn't rotting.
It was fine.
It was fine.
I found it on the side of the street
in this lovely English guy owned it.
And then I wanted to transform it
to look like a GTR from 72.
What's the...
And I asked you this last time,
what's the Japanese word for them?
I think it's Harushu.
I don't know what it is.
What's it called?
Emtoshan? What are they called?
Which one?
Which GTR?
The Japanese name for the old GTRs.
There was a name they used to call them.
There's an old one called the Hakusoka.
Yeah, that's it.
Hakusoka, that's it.
So, I'm going to show you.
That's the KGP.
I'm going to show you.
So, I wanted to make it look like that.
So, I went about basically...
That's amazing.
Look at that.
That's so cool.
A coupรฉ Bluebird.
Yeah.
The car of my youth in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
And so, I made it.
I tried to make it look like that.
And which it kind of does.
And I'm right to say that this is
probably the same chassis as a GTR
from that year.
Because it's the same car.
From that area.
Yeah.
Because it's the same dimensions.
But anyway.
But there's a thing talking about your collection,
seeing that car and seeing the Cressida
that you had.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Was your dad's car, I think.
Let me go to it.
Yeah, so that's a car my dad had
in 1979, 1980.
He bought it brand new.
And then he sold it for 500, 600 pounds in 85.
And then I found it in an auction.
And I put a 10,000 pound bid in it
thinking I'll get it for two grand.
ยฃ9,000.
And then when I show it to my father,
he just said, I'm an idiot buying it back.
But, you know.
But you know the Cressida was like,
that's the, you know, in Saudi Arabia growing up.
Yeah.
That was a car.
My uncle actually had one of those.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And it's basically non-restored.
And listen, that's another thing.
That's a parent thing.
I'm sure.
I don't know what your parents had
as a car when they were, when you were young.
But if you could get that car back,
wouldn't that be nice?
Yeah.
Totally.
Totally.
Sorry, are these cars all your own personal cars?
Or are they cars for sale?
No, they're all my personal cars.
But sometimes people come in and offer me stupid money.
And I go, I get excited.
And I just take the money.
But they're all my personal cars.
I don't want to get rid of them.
But you end up, you know,
if someone comes in and says,
Oh, I want to, I want to buy this.
And you kind of put a stupid price tag on it
because you don't want to sell it.
And they go, okay.
And then you can't say no.
Are you a collector or a hoarder?
I'm a bit of both.
I'm a collector.
You know, you know,
he's got all the mobile phones from dot one.
He's got all of them.
You know, he's a hoarder.
He's a hoarder.
You know, Jay Leno on Top Gear,
he said something very important.
And he said to all of us,
all of us petrolheads,
he said, if you could, you would.
If you could get all these cars
and put them in a unit,
you would, right?
And so we'd all be Jay Leno if we could.
I've got a friend of mine who always says to me,
you've got four cars.
You're the only person who drives them.
You work from home.
We don't drive anywhere.
Why have you got four cars?
You shouldn't have.
Why have you got four cars?
And I always turn around and say to her,
because I've got no space for five cars.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And this is the thing.
I've got three units here.
And literally, every time there's a space,
I'll go, do you know how fancy an Audi Quattro?
And you kind of look for one.
And if you can afford to buy it,
you buy it and put it there.
And that's what petrolheads are all about, isn't it?
That is what it is.
We all want to be Jay Leno, basically.
Yeah.
We would all be Jay Leno.
So as we come into the end of this,
we'll wrap up.
We talked a lot about movie cars
and hero cars and stuff like that.
So I'm going to ask a question
that's going to be probably very, very hard
for each of you.
If you had to have one car that represented you,
just one hero car for who you are,
what would that car be?
Let's start with Sai.
The Batman 89 Keaton Cove.
It's got to be that car.
That's for me is the one I would drive around.
I would drive that in that night's fridge.
It's a turning circle,
but that would be on a tumbler,
which is a bit more even more.
But I'd be one of those cars.
I'm just like very extravagant
when I drive around.
There you go.
I'm just a cliche.
A man?
Well, I've got the one.
I would probably be buried in it as well.
It's the Kuntash anniversary, I think.
Yeah.
So if you ever, if I ever died
and you came to my grave,
you'll see the wing at the top
and I'll be in it somewhere.
But so that's the car I would have.
And that represents my company as well,
because it's kind of what I base
my company around the Kuntash.
Anniversary.
And so, yeah, so that would be it.
Next to that would be the Mustang,
but I could get rid of the Mustang,
but the Kuntash I would never want to get rid of
if I didn't have to.
What about a modern day Kuntash they made?
That's basically an Aventador or whatever it is.
You know, I've got an Aventador here
and every time I start it,
the engine lights on or this light is on.
The driving experience is nowhere near as nice.
And the funny thing is,
I took it out the other day to see a customer
and as I was driving it,
I kid you not, I forgot.
You forget that you're in a Lamborghini
you have to look in the reflection
on the windows to see,
oh my God, I'm in a Aventador.
Whereas when you're in a 911,
an anniversary Lamborghini or a 328,
you know you're driving like a car.
That's basically it.
So the Kuntash for me would be the car
I would have to have if I got rid of everything.
Into some?
I had the car that I wanted to be in,
which is the glory, that's gone.
But I will add another movie car
and I think it has to be an Eleanor.
You remember the Eleanor that I drove?
That was a very special car.
You know Shazad, you and me have driven
tons of cars,
hundreds of cars over the years
and some of them fast, some of them slow,
some of them disappointing, some of them exciting.
But when people ask me which car do you love,
which car was the one car you love,
it always comes back to those Mustangs
that John Luke gave us.
I don't know why.
Yeah, classic recreations, Mustangs from America,
they were risk-a-mustangs.
Because they were not Mustangs.
They were so customized to the point
they were modern cars, they had modern everything.
But they had that rawness,
but they also handled, stopped, went properly.
You know they were the best of all worlds.
You know there's a company in America,
on TV there's that show where
they would take a modern Mustang,
take the body of the old one,
and then kind of fit it.
And you know my Mustang
is, I've kind of modernized it
with modern suspension,
modern wheels,
so it's got low profile tires
and sound system installed
and heating so that I can use it all the time.
And it's actually, the picture of it
is there at the back, you see it?
There.
Yeah, stunning.
It's a stunning car.
It is, I mean, Mustangs are just
a default car when it comes to...
It is the kind of ultimate hero car, isn't it?
The moment you drive a Mustang you're a hero.
Yeah, and the other thing is
from a three-year-old to a 90-year-old
you mention Mustang, they know what it is.
Yeah.
That's it, so yeah.
It's the, I would say that
if you're looking for a new one
there are companies that make better examples.
There's a company called Revology
in Florida.
There's one or two of them here in the UK.
Which are incredible, stunning cars.
I think the starting price is around $280,000,
something like that.
They're not cheap, but they don't build a Mustang.
They build a modern car
with modern panel gaps, AC, everything
and knows for that kind of money you expect it to be.
But that's a car that I would have.
For that kind of money.
How about you, Siddharth?
How about you?
Well, I'm going to go back to the car
that you dissed earlier, which is the Esprit.
Because if anybody can see above my head
on the cabinet above me,
you've got the Starship Enterprise,
you actually got the Bullet Mustang
and you've got the White Lotus Esprit
from the Spy Who Loved Me.
And it would have to be one of those cars
but it would have to be the Esprit, honestly.
Even if it doesn't go anywhere,
Imtoshan will know this.
I once found, and Si will know this
because I'm writing a feature for his magazine,
but I once found a red abandoned Esprit
Turbo, the G-body one.
I think it was the Series 3, the Esprit in Sharjah.
And I tried to find out whose car it was.
I couldn't track it down.
I was making lots of calls
knocking on doors and stuff like that.
At one point, I contemplated,
and this is illegal over there,
but I contemplated just lifting it
and bringing it back to my place
and putting it outside my place
and just giving it a clean
just so that I could look at it every morning.
And I nearly did it.
And I was going to do it.
I was so close to doing it,
but then I think it got impounded
a couple of weeks later, so it disappeared.
It did re-emerge a few years later,
but that's a story for the mag.
Why is it dropping so you can fulfill your dream?
Well, clearly from that Esprit Esprit
for 13 grand, that was unbelievable.
That's a free Esprit.
That was a crazy price.
Yeah, good.
Excellent.
Anyway, thank you so much, guys.
It's been interesting.
It's been fun.
And having the four-way thing has been interesting.
We've not done that before
on the Brown Car Guy Therapy session,
but I think it's a size-having
completely different ideas there.
I've met four people in...
Four people on the couch.
You know me too well.
I was thinking of three sessions and four sessions.
Interesting.
Well, we should do one...
We should do one here one day.
Yeah, no, definitely.
We'll get you guys on again.
Anyway, so everybody watching this,
I hope you enjoyed it.
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About this episode
The podcast dives into the current state of the classic car market, discussing the recent decline in prices and its implications for enthusiasts and dealers alike. Guests Sy, Adnan, and Imtishan share their experiences with classic cars, touching on the resurgence of manual transmissions and the influence of pop culture on car ownership. They debate the merits of various models, including Ferraris and Porsches, while reminiscing about their personal connections to iconic vehicles. The conversation also highlights the generational shift in car appreciation and the challenges of maintaining older models.
accelerator pedal
classic cars
Drivers Union
fast cars
front wheel bearing
fully electric car
grind the gear
hypercars
JDM
manual cars
Audi Quattro
Audi S3
BMW 328
BMW 3 Series
BMW M3
Bugatti Veyron
Chevrolet Corvette
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Magnum
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ferrari 296
Ferrari 308 GTB
Ferrari 308 GTS
Ferrari 328
Ferrari 458
Ferrari 512 M
Ferrari 512 TR
Ferrari F40
Ford Cortina
Ford Mustang
Honda CRX
Jaguar E-Type
Kia Stinger
Lamborghini Countach
Lotus Esprit
MG MGB
Mitsubishi Starion
Nissan Sentra
Nissan Skyline
Peugeot 308
Porsche 911
Porsche 928
Toyota Celica
Toyota Supra
Original notes
Welcome to the BrownCarGuy Therapy Podcast โ where we rant, reminisce, and revel in all things automotive!
In this packed episode, Iโm joined by three of the most opinionated petrolheads I know:
๐ฅ Sy Ali โ Founder of Drivers Union Supercar Club
๐ฅ Adnan Mallick โ Collector & Founder of Landbeasts Automobile Classica
๐ฅ Imthishan Giado โ Motoring Middle East co-founder & Dubai car culture legend
Together we dive deep into the real frustrations, nostalgia, and passion that define modern motoring:
๐จ Classic Car Market Crash?
Why values of icons like the Jaguar E-Type and MGB have plunged โ and whether this is correction or collapse.
โก Ferrariโs Identity Crisis
From the failed EV push to the ugly new SC40, has Ferrari lost its soul or just changed its audience?
๐ฌ Movie Car Magic
DeLoreans, Esprits, KITT, the Batmobile, Mustang โEleanor,โ and more โ why the coolest cars ever made all come from the silver screen.
๐ฅ The Jay Leno Syndrome
Are we all just hoarders at heart? Inside the psychology of car collecting and what makes us chase nostalgia on four wheels.
๐ง Generations & Gearboxes
Why young drivers are reviving manuals while older enthusiasts cling to analog icons โ and what it means for car cultureโs future.
๐ฌ COMMENT BELOW:
Which movie car defines you?
Would you buy a modern Ferrari or stick to the classics?
And what car would YOU hoard if money and space were no issue?
๐ Filmed: Saturday 18 October 2025
๐ฅ Host: Shahzad Sheikh โ BrownCarGuy
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