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Welcome to the gas. I'm very jealous because my co-host Alex Nunez looks like he has a

little collar on his face because he spent a couple of days in Daytona at the Rolex 24

at Daytona. You got some sun down there, didn't you?

I did. I mean, I was in the media center a ton. I was there working, you know, as we've

said before, is a client of mine. But yeah, I did manage to get outside and the weather

was nice. And I am back here in the Ice Cube with you where it is just absolutely dreadful.

I am, of course, Gary Gastfelut. This is the gas, the Gary and Alex show, the official

podcast of American Cars and Racing, AmericanCarsandRacing.com. We're going to be talking about

the Rolex 24. We're going to be talking about the kickoff to the NASCAR season. And we've

got some car news this week from Tesla, Hyundai, and Dodge. And also some NASCAR news from

Dodge. But I do want to go back to the Rolex 24. They said it was the biggest crowd ever

for the race. They didn't say how many people they don't announce an actual figure. But

from your viewpoint, were the stands pretty crowded and was it all weekend or did they

show up for the end?

It was all weekend. The stands are crowded, but it's not. The thing with the Rolex and

IMSA in general is these are huge infield slash like camping races. So while, yes, there are,

you know, for the start and everything, there's a lot of there's plenty of people in the stands,

but it's not like it's not like the Daytona 500 where those grandstands are packed wall

to wall. The thing is, you have 100,000 plus people, most of whom are congregated in the

infield in the just the unbelievable like camping scene that unfolds over, you know,

multiple days there. As with every IMSA race, they open the grid, you know, pre-race. So

the fans, there's a grid walk. The aerial photos of the grid walk are totally crazy. It was

very difficult to move. I got down there. It was before they sort of opened it all the

way up for fans. Fans were staged, but not, you know, on the pit road and everything quite

yet. It was packed. A lot of action, a lot of activity. You know, it was a great crowd. I

mean, I've been now four years in a row to that race, and it feels like it continues to get bigger

and bigger.

You also get a lot more garage access than you do at other racing series. And the big difference

between IMSA and NASCAR and IndyCar is that along with the racing, it's even more about those

cars. If you're into cars, production cars, race cars, there's so many different ones to see,

and you actually can get up pretty close and check them out.

Keep in mind, a lot of people are there for, you know, two, three days. The only place fans

really can't go is literally inside the garages, you know, every and like behind, you know, in the

pit, like in the pits. Otherwise, you have a level of fan access that is, in my opinion, I've

never seen anything like it. The paddock access, all that stuff, it's incredible. And I mean, the

drivers are just out and around. You see drivers all the time. It's not just during like the

autograph session, you know, because guys are going back and forth to cars, especially during

the race, because you have all these driver changes happening.

And they're just looking to kill time in a 24 hour race, too. It's funny how often you just see

drivers like looking for something to do.

Well, and everybody got to kill a lot of time. This time, there was a six and a half hour

caution because of the fog. The fog was a huge story. There was some great photography that came

out because that atmosphere was amazing. But the photos don't even do justice and just how bad the

visibility was. And that's why the caution was was so long. Every year, for the Rolex 24, they do

the fireworks at Daytona 10 p.m. It's a locked in thing, right? And I happened to be on the roof of

the grandstand. We had taken some people up to the spotter area to, you know, see the fireworks,

and you couldn't really see the fireworks. Just anything that was low level, you could see, you

heard them, but you really couldn't see them. So it was the actual opposite of the fireworks

experience. If you saw the Formula One movie, that was a very dramatized version of the fireworks.

But this was about as far opposite of that as you could. But come morning, you know, they went

back to green and the sun came out and the racing was great. You had some incredible light battles

in the final minutes to decide the thing. You had the Philippe Benazzar in the Porsche, you

had a 9.63 winning his third Rolex 24 in a row. You had a huge battle in GTD. You know, it's a

YouTube site. Look at the there's a recap video. It's funny, the recap video, the highlight video

is an hour long, but you can skim through that. The battle in GTD between the AMG and the Aston

Martin with just like minutes left to go was crazy. You had car sideways on the banking

recovery and it was it was very thrilling. It's always a super fun race. So I've said this before,

it's absolutely a race worth going to if you're able to. It's a legit bucket list experience.

Nasser went in third in a row, Penske went in third in a row as well. He's now just the third

driver to do that, joining Elio Castroneves and Peter Gregg. Tough one to pull off, gotta be on

the right team and you gotta be in the right car. But talk about close races. As much fun as the

Rolex 24 is, maybe even more fun is the Mazda MX5 Cup support race that takes place there. Folks,

if you're not familiar with this series, it's all Mazda Miata's. They're all exactly the same

performance. Picture the Daytona 500 pack racing, but on road courses. It's amazing to see these cars

run a nose to tail three, four, five wide the entire race. It never spreads out. It never

spreads out. Little contact, a couple of things, but when you there's no big one, you never have a

big one in this race. The driving skill is amazing. The swarm of bees sound the engines make are

incredible. Folks, check it out. It's on the MC YouTube channel as well. They've got the full races

posted there. But this is an incredible race. And I feel like more people need to know about

this series and they race at Martinsville Speedway now, which is also a blast. It is a cool series

because the racing is so tight on the top end. These drivers are hyper competitive and they're

all really good. And like you said, it's really something to see. These guys are going three

wide through the horseshoe in the infield in Daytona. And then it always comes down to a final

lap. It's always totally crazy coming off that final turn. Like you said, it's three wide, four

wide, five wide in some spots, totally fun, like thrilling racing. And like you said, you can watch

these online and they're super entertaining. And they do two MX five cup races. The one that ends

like sort of during sunset, sundown area is always like a super thriller. And in the media center

at Daytona, you know, anybody that's in there is like, there's always like everybody is either

upstanding around one of the big TVs or just everybody's head is pivoted to look at one of the,

you know, eight billion monitors in there that are carrying the race.

They raise at Martinsville in the fall during the NASCAR weekend NASCAR season is going to be

kicking off this weekend a little further south from that with the clash at Bowman Gray Stadium

in Winston Salem, assuming mother nature cooperates looks like they might get dumped

with some more snow that they just dug that quarter mile track out. Real season, of course,

starts in two weeks at the Daytona 500. I was on a press call this week with Wood Brothers racing

driver Josh Berry. And I got a chance to ask him what he thinks of the new chase post season. And

he of course was one of the drivers last year that made it into the playoffs as a win in your

end driver. He drives the 21 car finished the season 21st in points, but did have that win at

Phoenix that got him into the playoffs along with Jane Van Gizburg who had four wins, but was down

on the points and Austin Dillon who also had one win and wouldn't have pointed into the top 16

without that. That changes this year. No more winning your end. Top 16 drivers and points.

Get it. And here's what he thinks about the new system. It'll be interesting to see how, you know,

if things change with how people race and how they think and how it evolves throughout the season,

but obviously consistency is going to be more important, which I don't think is necessarily

bad thing. And you make each race mean that much more. And that's what they're trying to

accomplish. So it should be fun. Alex, the more this chase news is out there, the more it seems

like everybody is pretty happy with it. I haven't really heard anybody saying they need to go back

to the full points, which was one of the things they were pushing for a lot of people last year.

It seems like everybody's willing to give the chase another chance. I think so. I think everybody

eats with the chase. You know, like you said, it rewards consistency no matter what. Rewards

consistency leading up to the chase. And it rewards high performance leading up to the chase.

And then that carries through to the chase itself. So at least it's not when you get to the playoff,

you're still operating essentially under the same set of rules versus something totally

different than what the drivers have been doing for, you know, a few months leading up to it.

One of the drivers I mentioned that benefited from it last year, the old system,

Shane Bank, is Bergen with the four wins, but not enough points to get into the playoffs. Otherwise,

he wins all the road course races. It sounds like there might be one fewer road course race this

year because the athletic is reporting that Charlotte is going to kill the Roval for the fall

race and switch back to the oval track for the race in the fall that's going to be part of the

chase post season. Everybody's been begging them to do this mostly because the Roval just hasn't

paid off. It's not filling the stands. And with the next gen car, the racing hasn't been great,

whereas it has been great on the intermediate tracks, especially at Charlotte. All the Charlotte

races with the next gen car have been fantastic. NASCAR hasn't confirmed this is going to happen

yet. The report is going to announce it in a couple of weeks. They also haven't denied it. So I would

expect this is going to be happening. They'll probably either announce it this weekend at the

clash or they'll announce it before the Daytona 500. I know a ton of fans are thrilled about it.

And what it does is that was the only road course in the playoff anyway. So now I think that theme

of consistency is supported even further with this conversion. And Charlotte Motor Speedway,

that is another awesome place to go watch racing on the oval. It's amazing. It's the iconic NASCAR

oval. The one you picture when you think about a NASCAR movie, they're up on the banking. It's

quick. They actually have to drive the cars on that thing. It's not a super speedway. They've got

to modify their speed going around those turns. If you've ever done it in a simulator, it's really

tricky. But the best part is every seat in the house is great. You could see the whole track,

1.5 miles excitement the whole time. They wanted to have a road course in the playoffs.

Looks like they finally realized they don't really need that. And then I would expect next year

maybe to move Watkins Glen back in there if they really feel like it's necessary for the chase.

I have a feeling you might see this just stick the way it is for a while. I think everybody's

going to be really happy once we get to the end of this, you know, return to the chase. And you

have consistently good racing throughout. NASCAR just keeps checking off boxes on its apology tour

basically. Making the fans happy. What are the fans want? We'll give it to them. Want to get rid

of the playoffs? Fine. Want the Charlotte oval back? You got it. One driver who's pretty happy

about the changes is Tony Stewart, who did not have the best relationship with NASCAR in recent

years. That's part of the reason Stuart Haas broke up. That's part of the reason he hasn't been in

a car since 2016. But he's going to be in a truck at Daytona as part of the Ram free agent program.

He's going to be the first driver to be driving the number 25 truck for colleague racing. He had a

news conference this week that I joined and it was interesting. He said he hasn't really done much

prep work yet. He's been on iRacing and working with a spotter just trying to get used to things.

He says he picked Daytona in part because it's a big deal and he wanted to help kick off

the Ram brand. He's been racing Dodges in the NHRA for the last couple of years.

So he already has a relationship with them. But he also said, quite frankly, it's easier to drive

on the super speedways. He doesn't have to relearn how to drive the truck in short order. It's more

about drafting. And as it turns out, he has the second most wins of all time at Daytona. 19 wins

second only to Dale Earnhardt, senior who has 34. So he's feeling pretty good about his chances.

We get qualified in the race. The first lap of drafting will be the first lap of the race. So

for us, that's going to be a big deal. Trying to figure out what the truck likes, what it dislikes,

what happens. If somebody tucks down to the door in the center of the corner, what happens when

you pull out to try to make a pass? How much does the air slow the truck down immediately?

And then it's variables like that are the things that I'm going to have to figure out. But for

these kids that are in the truck series, the majority of them are trying to figure out the

same thing. So I feel like making that decision to run Daytona was more out of the things that I

already know about restrictor plate racing and the variables that are the same variables that

these kids are going to have to learn. So I feel like it puts us more on an even playing field

as far as what they know versus what I know right now. So that was really ultimately the

decision for why depict it to the truck race at Daytona. Again, this is another very fan-friendly

thing that's happening. We talked a lot about this free agent program and how smart it is,

at least in your, in my opinion, another huge reason to tune in for the truck race. And it's

just more spotlight on the new manufacturer and trucks. So this is a win-win for everybody.

Tony Stewart is going to do just fine, you know, going around Daytona in this truck. And I think

it's going to be a lot of fun and probably be some, some good moments that come out of,

you know, speed weeks as a result of this. Ram CEO Tim Kaniscus was also on that call.

He's also the head of all the Stellanus brands, including Dodge. As he mentioned to us on the

show a couple of weeks ago, the intention of this program is to eventually get back to the cup series

with Dodge. There's no timeframe on that, but I still can't believe this. During the call,

he said they are still trying to get into the cup series as soon as 2027. Next year's Daytona 500.

Now, truck series, you just got to buy some chassis. It's a spec engine. You just got to design a body,

throw it on there, and you're good to go. Cup series, obviously the next gen car is more of

a spec car, but you still have to design a body. More important than that, you have to develop

your own engine. There is no spec engine. So Dodge is going to have to start building engines again.

The CEO of Colleague Racing, Chris Rice, had suggested that they might take on the engine

program themselves, but this is a huge commitment, tons of money, far more complexity to it than a

truck program. And yet Dodge is trying to make it happen. And John Propes, head of racing development

in NASCAR, he said a couple of weeks ago that he still thinks it could happen. But I was shocked

when Tim said just a year away from next year's Daytona 500 that they're still thinking they can

get onto the track next year. So far, every single person has told me that's absolutely impossible,

that I'm crazy and it's never going to happen. I don't know. I'm not giving up yet. We'll see.

I can see why they would want to do that. So the new charger is still going to be very fresh and new

a year from now. That is an important marketing platform. The automakers do not market their

performance vehicles. In particular, a lot of the marketing dollars go to the mass market stuff.

They go to the trucks, they go to the crossovers and whatever the lease deal is. You see all those

tier two ads that always end with some lease call to action on your local TV station. But for

something like Mustang for GM, there is no Camaro. So it's Chevy's sort of performance flag outside

of the sports car stuff that they do with Corvette. You don't see ads for those cars.

There's not a lot of marketing. I personally think it's crazy not to sort of advertise and

do marketing around your halo vehicles. But that's beside the point. This is the marketing

platform for that. I think this charger is going to do really well and we'll talk more about that

because I know you just drove it. I mean NASCAR is the platform where you get to stand on the

roof and scream about your performance vehicle. And so I'm not surprised that Dodge is looking to

get in there as quickly as possible. And I think that they'll figure out a way.

Tim said he'd rather spend money on racing than on commercials. And as you mentioned,

I did just get a chance finally to drive the six pack powered Dodge Charger. That's how they refer

to the internal combustion engine version of the charger. I drove the charger Daytona EV

a couple of months ago. Actually, two of those. I drove the two door and the four door.

This is the new one that has the turbocharged three liter straight six engine that they call the

six pack. I know why they don't just call the car the Charger six pack six pack powered Dodge Charger

is a little clumsy for me. Nevertheless, I got my hands on a charger scat pack with a 550 horsepower

version of that engine. Base price 56,990 bucks. It'll do zero to 63.9 seconds quarter mile in 12.2

that's quicker to 60 than the old V8 powered scat pack that a 485 horsepower 6.4 liter

V8. No plans to bring the V8 back yet. Caniscus has been saying maybe if we do that we'll do it

Hellcat hasn't suggested that they're going to bring right the 6.2 or the 5.7 liter. So it's

going to be the straight six for now at least. And there's also going to be a 420 horsepower

Charger RT model coming out later this year. $51,990. I got to tell you, I really liked the

charger Daytona. I think they did a good job with it really fast. And I love the car itself. It's

huge. It's a full size car 206 inches long. It's bigger in footprint than a three row Dodge Durango

SUV. Lots of room in the back for six footer. You've got a lift back. So plenty of room in the

trunk as well. But the EV did feel a little bit like an EV. You know they have those weird throttle

pedals sometimes a little jumpy and the steering kind of felt like a video game. The six pack

everything's ironed out. I love this engine. I love it in the Ram trucks as well. Really smooth.

Plenty of power. The steering feels better in this. The ride comfort is excellent. And best of

all come standard with all wheel drive. But it's got a mode where you can lock it in rear wheel drive

and turn off the traction control. So you could do donuts with it. Burnouts. It has a line lock

mode. The electric charger Daytona does not have a line lock mode. That's always in all wheel drive

setting. So this really is the best of both worlds. You know when your storm fern came through here

dumped a bunch of snow in New York. I took this out to my favorite big parking lot the other day.

Spent a couple of hours whipping around. Not just foolishly I drove it normally as well.

And even with all season tires the thing was unflabbable. So it actually is a great

all wheel drive car. But it's also an absolute riot. This is going to be a huge hit. Price

points a little high. Would be nice to see another model in the forties for Dodge to get back that

volume it used to have. But I know they've added a shift to the factory that's building this

expecting to sell a lot of these. And after spending a week with it I'm pretty sure they're

going to sell more than they even think they're going to sell. It's that good. It's really

encouraging to hear. I think the car is great looking. I'm starting to see them out and about.

They're really cool. It sort of does the same thing that the sort of previous generation

charger and Challenger did especially the later ones when you had the wide bodies and stuff where

these things they go out and they sort of sell themselves. The four door is going to outsell

the two door. I'm sure it's a little more functional. It's easier to get in the backseat.

It's as simple as that. I drove the four door electric version. This six pack was a two door.

One other thing when I tested this I know Ford Jim Farley over for the CEO Ford has been talking

about coming up with a four door Mustang. Some people think that's an abomination. It is not

abomination. I would love a four door Mustang sedan that could compete with this much cooler than the

Mustang Mach-E SUV which is an all right vehicle anyway. But I have no issues with Ford making

a four door Mustang as long as they also keep the Cooper out. I think that that's a natural

progression that you'll get a four door Mustang and a four door Mustang will also I would imagine

become the platform for a Mustang Raptor. Yes which they've also been talking about shockingly

because everything's got to be an off-roader these days which still kind of blows my mind.

I don't think Dodge is working on a charge your off-roader anytime soon. We'll see it's got the

all wheel drive but man what a what an absolute pleasure this thing was to drive. You go into

a tentatively especially because the last one was from the Daimler Chrysler days. It had Mercedes

engineering in it. They kept it around for decades and why not because it was a really good car but

they did a nice job on this one all on their own and I'm very excited to see very interested to see

how many of these they do end up selling. I'm expecting to see them all over the place once

they start rolling in to dealers. A couple of cars that are going to be leaving dealers pretty soon

not dealers showrooms because Tesla does not have dealers it has its own direct sales but Elon Musk

during the company's earnings call this week announced that they are finally discontinuing the

Model S and the Model X. The Model S was its first volume product the Roadster came out and then

Model S followed it in 2012 that's really the one that kicked the company off. The Model X was

first launched in 2017. They've been updated along the way not fully redesigned at all

and sales were only 20,000 combined in the US last year with the X making up most of those but

they're finally moving along from them and they're going to replace them in the factory with Tesla's

new humanoid Optimus robot. We'll see how that thing works out but as far as canceling these

vehicles I mean it seems overdue for years they've been saying they just kept them around

for sentimental reasons but it is interesting that they are not going to replace them.

They're moving forward with the Model Y the Model 3 and the new cyber cab. Obviously Elon's just

talking about autonomy and the future people aren't going to actually own cars we're going to be

using the autonomous Tesla robot taxis we'll see how that all pans out but it's interesting that

they shifted away I mean honestly before they almost went out of business launching the Model 3

I always thought they should have stayed a premium brand and just sold the S and the X and other

fancy models and would have had a nice business like that obviously I was wrong the company's

worth 1.5 trillion dollars now for reasons beyond even the cars. Elon Musk said he's

giving them an honorable discharge from service. You think about it history is going to be very

kind to the Model S that is a watershed vehicle if there ever was one I mean really normalized

for everybody the idea of owning an EV which was like this like weird thing that eccentric people

did and then all of a sudden that car was so good and every person who bought these early

Teslas became like a fanatical advocate for it so like it became this sort of self-sustaining

engine where you not only made sense from a technology standpoint you know this is a

very viable vehicle for going EV but it was like it also created the social permission

to make the move to EVs you know obviously Model X followed and that's you know has some

unorthodox styling I feel like the Falcon doors were just done because it looked cool and Elon

liked it and that's kind of how he goes about doing things but it's all everything has worked

so far so not surprised that they're going away a great run for both of those cars but Model S

especially Model S is like I said one of the most important passenger vehicles to ever be

introduced period so it did its thing and it really established the modern EV market none

of these other EVs are around if not for Tesla being successful with the Model S. Well a lot of

more aren't going to be around the companies are getting rid of them but Tesla is still

moving forward with EVs and when you go back to the Model S launch back then you basically

had three things going on you had the Model S you had the Nissan Leaf which was supposed to be

the one that started the EV industry and was going to sell hundreds of thousands and then you

had the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid the Leaf and the Volt didn't pan out the S did not just

because it was a good car but people also must remember the whole supercharger concept that

went with it was what made it possible to own an electric car back in 2012. Yeah that vertical

integration was key you know so every again supercharger the whole supercharger network

seemed nuts on its face right oh my god you're gonna spend all this money building out this thing

well that got people to buy the cars and now everybody is using that exact same network to

charge their cars and then the other thing you know that Tesla did is like the over the air

updates that we all take for granted now you know that you get over the air updates in non EVs

you know also because every car is internet connected but that was part of the the ownership

experience that was so rad like that really radicalized some people into the pro EV camp where

problems were solved via a phone call and then a few minutes later you know something would get

pushed to the car and their issue was solved totally unprecedented at the time and now

effectively a sort of standard operating procedure and basic expectation with the modern

sort of software defined uh connected vehicle not everything Tesla does is a hit of course

the cyber truck has turned into a pretty big flop 20 000 sold last year 38 000 the year before that

one of the analysts on the earnings call asked what the plans are at one point musket said if

it's a flop maybe we'll redesign it to look like a normal pickup and start selling those instead

but he didn't say that this time he said what the plan probably is going to be is that they're

going to transition the cyber truck from being a normal vehicle into a fully autonomous cargo

vehicle and marketed that way as the full self-driving the robotex the technology develops

interesting sort of to me i would have expected them to try to give this another shot with a

maybe more conventional truck that also didn't have a lot of the build problems this one does

it's still sort of a work in progress as teslas usually are but uh they're really moving toward

the whole autonomy is the future thing and i guess the cyber truck and that robo van that they

unveiled with the robo taxi with the cyber cab uh is kind of what they have as far as their vision

of the future is concerned yeah i would be surprised to see it redesigned i think the styling for

the cyber truck is it's it's one of the things that helps sell it to the customers that want it

but it also is a little weird um well i wouldn't bet against anything that elan musk says he's

going to do at this rate even the cyber truck as a quote unquote flop is probably loaded with

key learnings that are going to be applied to all kinds of other things that will benefit tesla

owners one way or the other one other pickup that's on its last legs we're hearing automotive news

reporting that hunday is going to be discontinuing the santa cruz compact pickup earlier than expected

sources are telling the newspaper this the company has not confirmed it said that the

current lifecycle will be completed but didn't go in any details with that sounds like it was

originally expected to be discontinued in mid 2027 but they might do it a little earlier than that

as they get ready to introduce a body on frame mid-sized truck that'll compete with the forward

ranger toyota takoma in 2029 or so uh the santa cruz not a big seller 25 000 last year ford maverick

had 155 000 deliveries last year four puts a lot more effort into the maverick and marketing though

the santa cruz is basically a hunday Tucson pickup think of it as the el camino of hunday

the Tucson is hunday's best seller in the united states and they've basically been winding down

santa cruz production and adding Tucson production because they're built alongside each other at the

same factory look hunday was the third biggest automaker in the world last year in sales behind

volkswagen and toyota i don't think they're sweating this at all but i did just spend a week with the

santa cruz xrt the cool little off roady rugged model and i gotta tell you ever since the santa

cruz launched in 2022 i've been a big fan it is basically a Tucson pickup a lot more refined than

the maverick maybe not a lot more but it's definitely a step above the maverick in refinement but

it doesn't look like a truck the bed's a little smaller the back seat not as roomy as the mavericks

so i understand why people would buy that instead but they're similarly priced big differences you

get the maverick with the hybrid powertrains 37 38 miles per gallon santa cruz you can only get a

normally aspirated four cylinder and then the turbocharged four cylinder with 281 horsepower

that the xrt has but i think they're a blast and they drive really well and if you don't have big

people to put in the back seat they're pretty good also the xrt comes with a rolling locking

tonneau cover for the bed not entirely waterproof but it turns it into a secure storage area and

it has an independent suspension and a trunk under the bed floor like the honda ridge line has

which is something you don't get any other pickups and is very useful kind of a bummer to see this

go but i'm interested to see what they've got planned for that mid-sized truck i remember how

much enthusiasm there was for that i mean you you have to go back a ways but uh remember that

original santa cruz concept took everybody's by surprise including hunday and it took a long time

for them to get there because they needed to get to a platform that they could share to

build it on which is the current generation two son listen the new two son drives great too i like

that uh i like that thing so everything that's good about that you get in the santa cruz but like

you said santa cruz configuration is a little weird and it's not that it's bad it's just that

if you're trying to get someone to buy a truck a traditional configuration like the maverick is

going to win that argument i think pretty much every time and hunday's not going to sweat this

because that capacity is going to go to building two sons and they're going to sell all of them

because they sell those things as as quickly as they can and make them pretty much also the two

son is due for an update so this clears that capacity though they'll invariably introduce the

an all new two son and it'll use up all that capacity anyway as for the replacement very

interesting let's see what happens they're gonna have to market it people here are very

willing to buy trucks but you need to really push it and get the word out whenever that thing comes

around sure it'll be a lot more conventional looking than the santa cruz which i have to

note that when you go to the hunday website they refer to it as a sport adventure vehicle

and it's listed under the suvs they don't even really push yeah as bag that it is a pickup and

it's certainly not a truck by any truck definition well hunday hasn't confirmed the early cancellation

but we'll see how that plays out in the coming months i would expect it to happen i will also

see how this nascar kickoff goes at bowman gray stadium hopefully they get that race in at some

point next week if they really get dumped on down there it just might not happen and we might have

to look forward to daytona alex enjoy the cold like me like i've been for the last couple of weeks

i hope everybody listening is much warmer and we will talk to you next time

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