{"version":"1.0.0","episode":{"title":"\"Doesn't mean goodbye\" — Recapturing \"lost\" customers through fixed operations | Kristine Lentz, Urban Science","url":"http://getcarcurious.com/episodes/doesn-t-mean-goodbye-recapturing-lost-customers-through-fixed-operations-kristine-lentz-urban-science","audioUrl":"https://anchor.fm/s/1094c7cb4/podcast/play/117376143/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-2-23%2F420630060-44100-2-fdbbaa38368d1.mp3","description":"Is your dealership losing customers you thought were gone for good? Every automotive professional knows the sting of a \"lost\" sale, but what if those defections weren't permanent goodbyes, but instead, opportunities for powerful comebacks through fixed operations?In this episode, Kristine Lentz, Product Operations Manager at Urban Science, reveals how using precise data can transform your view of customer defection from a failure to a strategic advantage.What you will get from this episode:Understand why traditional \"defection\" metrics might be leading you astray.Discover how leveraging sales data can pinpoint exactly why and when customers leave.Learn how to use fixed ops as a potent reactivation tool for \"lost\" customers.Redefine your follow-up strategies to recapture customers and build lasting relationships.Strategically deploy AI in your sales process to close crucial gaps.Kristine Lentz is the Product Operations Manager at Urban Science, bringing years of expertise in leveraging data to drive actionable insights and improve dealer performance.Follow The Dealer Playbook so you never miss an episode.Timestamps00:00 Intro00:42 Defection Defined02:43 Finding the Leak04:35 Days to Sale Insights05:32 AI as a Partner07:26 Empathy Still Matters08:57 Facing the Fear10:26 Stop Chasing Sold Leads10:59 Service Reactivation Play12:31 Data Plus Human Response13:55 Outro\n"},"annotations":[{"startTime":49.1,"endTime":58.8,"type":"concept","title":"defection","url":"/glossary/defection","quote":"The first one is when dealers hear the word defection. 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In this episode, they’re presented as helping dealers spot when a customer bought from another brand or store."}},{"startTime":111.7,"endTime":117.2,"type":"concept","title":"OEMs","url":"/glossary/oem","quote":"...we have sales data that we get every night from all the major OEMs.","canonicalId":"concept:oem","priority":0.9,"confidence":0.9,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"OEMs means Original Equipment Manufacturers—the automakers that build the vehicles (like the brands dealers sell). The speaker claims Urban Science receives sales data from major OEMs, enabling fresher insights into recent competitor purchases.","simplifiedExplanation":"OEMs are the car brands themselves—the companies that make the vehicles. In this segment, the claim is that the data comes directly from those brands."}},{"startTime":117.2,"endTime":123.4,"type":"concept","title":"30, 60 or 90 days old","url":"/glossary/30-60-or-90-days-old","quote":"...we're not looking at data that's 30, 60 or 90 days old. This is so lead in your CRM that purchased at a competitor yesterday.","canonicalId":"concept:30-60-or-90-days-old","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.8,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"This phrase contrasts stale reporting with timely intelligence. The speaker argues that dealers shouldn’t rely on CRM or analytics that are weeks or months behind, because defection is most useful when identified quickly after the competitor purchase.","simplifiedExplanation":"They’re saying older reports (like data that’s a month or more behind) aren’t very helpful. If you learn about the customer’s purchase too late, you can’t respond effectively."}},{"startTime":129.1,"endTime":134.0,"type":"concept","title":"exclusive contracts","url":"/glossary/exclusive-contracts","quote":"These are exclusive contracts we have at the OEMs. And so when you have that, you're able to see...","canonicalId":"concept:exclusive-contracts","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.75,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Exclusive contracts” refers to special agreements Urban Science has with OEMs to access certain data. In the segment, exclusivity is used to support the claim that this information isn’t available elsewhere in the same way.","simplifiedExplanation":"Exclusive contracts means Urban Science has special agreements to get certain information. 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The goal is to figure out why they left so you can bring them back with better service and follow-up."}},{"startTime":175.5,"endTime":199.3,"type":"concept","title":"lead sources","url":"/glossary/lead-sources","quote":"So we break it down by sources. So there's sources that you might think, Hey, these are, you know, not great. We don't even do anything with these. We throw those leads aside.","canonicalId":"concept:lead-sources","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.85,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"“Lead sources” are the different channels or origins where shoppers come from (e.g., specific campaigns, websites, or referral paths). 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Customers still want real human help, especially when they’re upset or need understanding."}},{"startTime":600.1,"endTime":607.0,"type":"concept","title":"fear of being too aggressive","url":"/glossary/fear-of-being-too-aggressive","quote":"there's a real fear of being too aggressive. But then there's this mindset...","canonicalId":"concept:fear-of-being-too-aggressive","priority":0.5,"confidence":0.7,"source":"hybrid-fuzzy+gpt-5.4-nano","data":{"explanation":"The speaker calls out a common sales/marketing hesitation: fear that follow-up or outreach will feel pushy. The episode argues that a customer-first approach (offering value and respecting their situation) can prevent that fear from undermining conversion.","simplifiedExplanation":"Sometimes people worry that if they keep contacting you, it will feel annoying. 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