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About this episode
Matt and Tommy dive into detailed driver ratings for the chaotic Dutch Grand Prix, balancing driver skill, strategy, and luck. Highlights include Oscar Piastri's perfect weekend and grand slam, Isaac Hadjar's impressive podium in a less favored car, and Alex Albon's standout start. They discuss controversial moments like Carlos Sainz and Liam Lawson's collision, Kimmy Antonelli's costly error, and Lewis Hamilton's crash and penalty. The hosts debate the impact of car performance versus driver talent, offering nuanced takes on each driver's weekend performance with fan input sprinkled throughout.
Topics:
driver ratings
Dutch Grand Prix
Oscar Piastri grand slam
Isaac Hadjar podium
Alex Albon start
Carlos Sainz and Liam Lawson incident
Kimmy Antonelli error
Lewis Hamilton crash and penalty
race strategy
car performance vs driver skill
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the P1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy. Driver ratings. It's
been a while, hasn't it? It has been a while since we dropped a little zero all the way to 10
for all of the 20 drivers on the Formula One grid. This time for the Dutch Grand Prix.
Tommy, how are you feeling about this one? We're back. Are your grades revved up,
warmed up, and ready to go? They are. It threw us right in at the deep end again. They're like,
driver ratings is back, and we're going to make it as difficult as possible with multiple
safety cars, different strategies, how much do you balance? Good fortune, unlucky moments,
good strategy, bad strategy, driver skill. Normally with Zandvoort, I very much expected
maybe 20 laps into this race thinking, right, that's driver ratings. We just do it based on
qualifying, and instead, chaos. Now, I'm going to do a task. I'm going to set you all a task,
watching and listening. Let's get positivity outweighing negativity in this comment section
for driver ratings. Just once, just once. I'm asking just for once. Just tell us how much you
love this series, and then maybe just maybe us missing how Bortoletto got messed over by a certain
safety car has ruined the entire video for you. So let's get straight into the myth
legend, Gabriel Bortoletto. He started the race in 13th and finished 15th. I am locking in
a five out of 10 for Gabriel Bortoletto. What could have been, I think, for Bortoletto this weekend,
a decent qualify, a good qualify, a very good qualify, in fact, compared to Hülkenberg, who
has struggled of late, especially this season, when it comes to Saturdays,
and then just immediately lost almost all the positions down to 19th at the beginning
of the race, I think it was. He said he suffered an issue with the clutch, and from there on,
it was pretty much just roll the dice and hope it works out for him. At one point, we thought,
okay, maybe stayed out for that second or third. I don't know how many saved you guys.
There was VSCs as well. But the last safety car he stayed out took a risk to try and get
track position. But this is, we've finally seen evidence, Tommy, where track position
did not matter when you have tyres as old as that versus soft and mediums around you.
Absolutely. Yeah, I've gone for a five out of 10 for Bortoletto as well.
Had been on such a great run of form, and when he qualified 13th, which I know he's been
certainly higher, but ahead of his most experienced teammate, really smashing him
and qualifying at the moment. But it all went wrong, didn't it, at the start,
and then getting contact with Stroll, and then it was always going to be difficult from there.
So, yeah, five out of 10 for Bortoletto. And the fans went for a five as well.
Let's head to Nico Holkenberg, started the race in 17th, finished 14th.
I've gone for a five out of 10 for Nico Holkenberg as well, qualified worse,
finished just ahead of his teammate on the road, very close.
And, yeah, he was a driver that things didn't go his way, but of course he qualified
very poorly, which always makes it difficult around a track like Zandvoort. So that's why I've
gone for a five. Yeah, he wasn't happy with some cheap pit stops when the safety cars came out.
I've gone for a five out of 10 as well for Holkenberg. 17th round Zandvoort, you are
asking for trouble. And we did not see a Silverstone repeat, a crazy,
kind of crazy race, wasn't it, with a lot of safety cars. And there were advantages to be gained,
but Nico and Salba in general just weren't able to do it. So I've gone for a five. The fans,
they agree, they've gone for a five as well. Alex Albon, started the race in 15th, finished
fifth. Oh, so this one, I've been tossing and turning about this one, Tommy,
because he qualified 15th. So I'm like, oh, but then I saw his lap one and I'm like,
oh, that one was amazing. So with that being said,
it's a nine, it's a nine out of 10 for Alex Albon. I'm sorry, I can't give a 10. The qualifying
was was was poor. And of course, we had a few few cars ahead that were just crashing into each
other. And that's literally what he said after the race as well was that people just
started crashing into each other. And that's how Alex gained a lot of positions, but also
a great, a great race from him. That that lap one was scintillating. If you haven't watched it,
I would highly recommend going and taking a look at that. But it's a nine out of 10 from me.
Yeah, I've gone for a nine out of 10 for Alex Albon as well, completely the same
logic. It can't be a 10, even though fifth place in a Williams is so impressive.
But his start was amazing. That was all his own doing. And he did get up into those positions,
particularly towards the closing stages. He was one of the kind of midfield runners that didn't
maybe get a lot of their positions through like good fortune. But that being said,
you know, outqualified by his teammate quite comfortably. And then he also was potentially,
you know, he was behind his teammate before science had that that penalty. So it's not,
it's not perfect from Alex Albon, but what a race and that start, my word, go seek out and
watch that start because it is the stuff of dreams that he just picked every perfect line
at the start. It was amazing. He really did. The fans gave him a nine as well. Carlos Sainz
started the race in ninth, finished 13th. I have gone for a six out of 10 for Carlos
incredibly. This is a tough one to rate, actually, because I don't want to be too harsh on him,
because I do think that penalty was absolutely ridiculous. But then at the same time, I do have
to take into account that it does take two to tango and you do take a risk every time you go
for an overtake, particularly around the outside and around the outside of someone like Liam
Lawson as well, who we know is a very aggressive driver. So yeah, didn't work out for Carlos Sainz and
should have been a really, really good result for him because a fantastic qualifying
look like he was going to potentially beat Albon until that and then it all just unraveled from
there. It did. Yes, this one's slightly different grade, isn't it? Because it depends
how much weighting you put on his part to play in that incident. I have gone for a six
out of 10 for Carlos. I thought maybe a seven because he was having a really good weekend, but
I can't be working with too many ifs, buts and maybes with this one. And I agree that as much as
I think we both were on the podcast saying, look, I really don't agree with this this penalty that's
been given to him. He also did risk it around the outside of Liam Lawson when, yes, by the
rules, he has not gained the corner that the problem is. And I guess this is something that
until they change the rules will always be an issue of a driver, the defending driver,
if they have the corner, they're able to just squeeze the other car. And that's what happened.
They both got punctures. So Carlos did have a part to play in that one. I don't agree with
those racing rules at all. I hate them. In fact, I absolutely despise them because you
watch that and you go, surely Carlos deserves a bit of space here, but he doesn't and he
got a penalty as well. So yeah, really upsetting for Carlos. Another race that's not gone his way
this year. And it's a six out of 10 from me. The fans gave him a six as well. Isaac Hachar
started the race in fourth, finished third. So he didn't qualify on the front row of the grid.
So I've got to take that into account when I give him a 10 out of 10. How can you give him
anything else Hachar close to even contemplating,
rubbishing the 11 that Hulkenberg got in Silverstone. But look, we're not going to do that.
But it was just unbelievable to watch, to be honest with you. Didn't get lucky in the slightest
apart from obviously the Lando DNF. But in terms of the position he was in, that was completely
by merit. He was holding off the cars behind Leclerc, Russell, et cetera in a racing ball.
Yeah, the racing ball is good, but it doesn't belong, I would say, fighting with Leclerc and Russell.
And he did that and also showed that he has that sort of mentality as well to hold them off,
not feel the pressure and delivered an amazing race. So it has to be a 10.
I'm also annoyed that I wasted, in my opinion, I've wasted the 11 out of 10. We said we'd
allow one 11 out of 10. If I could retract it, I would retract it to give Isaac Hachar an 11.
But that's not going to help Hachar, Tommy. That's not going to help him. So when he
tunes into this, he's not going to want to hear it. No, maybe in the comments if you allow it.
We can't do that. We can't go back every single time. It's recency bias.
Yeah, true. But this, for me, is even better than Hülkenberg's podium. The fact that he just
was perfect all weekend as well. The qualifying was sensational. The race was amazing. Had he
finished fourth, he's still getting a 10 out of 10. And I'm saying that it's an absolutely
sensational drive and basically perfect. I do wish there were less conversations about
the racing bulls being this incredible car. And if Max Verstappen, and this has come
from a Max Verstappen fanboy, that if Max was in it, he'd be winning the race and winning the
World Championship by a mile. I don't think that's true at all. And I think Haji just deserves
credit for delivering an absolutely brilliant performance in a car that shouldn't be there.
So yeah, it's an amazing job from Haji.
I do find it bizarre, this conversation, Tommy, about this whole, if Max went in
the racing bulls, he'd win the championship, he'd win races, he beat McLaren, yada, yada, yada,
because these same people would be saying, these same people would be saying that the
Red Bull has the highest ceiling and that Max is able to deal with a really pointy car
and able to extract the most out of it. Whereas the racing bulls is a sort of
a very predictable car that you can get good results out of. But no one has said,
or at least up until this point, until this whole Max narrative has come out,
that this racing bull is the fastest car on the grid or would be in Max's hands.
It makes no sense, because to me, the racing bulls, yes, it's a really predictable car,
it's really nice to drive, but it has a ceiling. So to kind of, as you say,
sort of downgrade and sort of, I was going to swear, but I'm not going to,
S on Haji's performance in some way, it's just not the chatter that I think that
should be happening. That is all speculation. There is nothing to say that Max,
especially with the fact that if you think of it logically, Max jumping into a car he's never driven
without any testing and just rocking up to a weekend. Oh yeah, put him in there,
see how he does. Okay, it would be interesting to watch him in an FP1.
I think he'd be good, but he's not winning.
He'd be good, but it's not guaranteeing he's putting half a second on Haja, is he?
Exactly. I think that's a load of rubbish that he'd just be miles up the road.
I think it completely discredits what Haja did in this race. And he just had,
he had the perfect, perfect qualifying. He nailed the lap of his life and then managed to
do what he did in the race by keeping the others behind him and difficult track to overtake,
but doesn't take anything away from him. He delivered and kept the others behind him.
There were plenty of overtakes. So yeah, it did an amazing job.
Well done to Haja. A 10 from the fans as well, unsurprisingly.
Liam Lawson started the race in eighth, finished 12th.
I've gone for a five out of 10 for Liam Lawson. He of course, you look at his teammate and where
he finished, it's very disappointing to be out of the points. Of course, part of that is the
contact with Sainz. I think he had a kind of, I've still not seen his on board, but I think he had
his kind of price to pay in that as well, the fact that he kind of tried to squeeze him a little
bit in my opinion. And that is kind of the risk you take that he was kind of hoping that
Sainz would bail out. But Sainz is a very aggressive driver as well. And it's two aggressive
drivers that neither of them wanted to yield. And that's the risk you take. So yeah, disappointing
from Lawson. So do you see Lawson as more of a part to play in this then?
How do you weigh it? Probably more than, yeah, the same as what I said in the podcast, more than
Sainz, but not enough to get a penalty, I don't think. I think he was just kind of basically
like doing the bit of a like a Max Verstappen chop of like, no, I don't think, like, absolutely not,
you're not coming around the outside of me. And that's the risk you take. And of course,
he got a punch for it. Yeah, I was deliberating. Penalty. No, I was deliberating whether I would
go for the same grade as Carlos, but then I also give slight more weighting to Lawson for
this incident rather than Carlos, which again, is why it mystified me for the 10 second
penalty, but the racing rules and blah, blah, blah. So I'm going to give a five out of ten for
Lawson. And also his teammate has finished fourth, sorry, third. Indeed. So I have gone for five out
of ten for Liam Lawson. Yeah, of course, Hajar right up there on the podium is not the best look,
of course, for Lawson who got tangled up in an incident. This was on Lawson. Like, this was
his decision to wash wide slightly and squeeze Carlos, even if it's within the
racing rules, right? You put yourself in that situation. And, you know, if Carlos doesn't back out,
which is what we saw, then this this contact, whether there would have been any penalty or
anything without the punctures happening, I am not convinced. But, you know, that's that's a
conversation we had on the main race podcast. See, I'm going to give a five for Lawson.
It's a shame because he was the one that was doing pretty well on the run up to this
this weekend. And it's his teammate that's come back very strong indeed and got a podium.
The fans gave him a five. Oli Bearman started the race from the pit lane, finished sixth
straight up 10. It's a 10 for Oli. I don't care. I don't care that he had a shock in qualifying
and was in the pit lane. He started from the pit lane, right? You got a little bit
unlucky thinking qualifying, he said it himself and pass in general are just
shocking in qualifying. They just really are. They cannot get Saturday's right.
And then to finish sixth, yes, there was some luck involved, I think as well.
But they did the right strategy and Oli said after the race right place at the right time,
good causal strategy. And the car was quick as well. Oli made good moves, I think at the end
as well, to secure P6. And yeah, I think to do that around Zandvoort, I know that there is a
stroke of luck here, but I can't give him any less than the 10 because this is his breakthrough
moment. I have gone for a nine out of 10 for Oli Bearman.
Get out. Basically a four. That's why I went.
Yeah, exactly. Look, a fantastic race from Oli Bearman. Pits to P6 in a house. Fantastic result,
of course. He did have the much more good fortune than his teammate. Ocon actually was ahead of
him and then pitted just as Leclerc crashed, which meant that Ocon dropped a load of positions
and Bearman could pit behind the safety car. So for that reason, it's not a perfect 10,
but still a fantastic result and a well-deserved nine, in my opinion, and a very high nine as well.
The fans gave Oli Bearman a 10, not a high nine. Next up is Esteban Ocon,
started the race in 18th Finnish 10th. I've gone for an eight out of 10 for Esteban Ocon.
As I mentioned, he was ahead of Oli Bearman before the dose of bad luck. He lost a bunch of
positions behind the safety car because of the timing. It was similar. It was weird that he
literally pitted and then Leclerc had his incident with Antonelli and worse timing possible for
Ocon. So I think he needs to be commended for still being able to basically drive back
past a load of people and get a points finish despite the bad fortune. So that's why I'm giving him
an eight out of 10. Lovely bit of insight, Tommy there, about Esteban Ocon. I've gone for an eight
as well. That is a very fair piece of information. It could have easily been Ocon that finished
sixth had he not pit. A good result for Hassan and for Ocon could have been better,
as we say. He said afterwards that lost three, maybe four positions with the safety car,
but yeah, a very, very positive result for Hassan in general and for Ocon. The fans gave Ocon a seven.
Three points difference, Tommy. That's crazy. Yeah, I know.
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Let's go to Franco Colopinto. Start of the race and 16th, finished 11th.
I'm going to go for a 7 out of 10 for Franco Colopinto. Yeah, I think it was a race that he
can be proud of. He gained places off the start. He overtook Gasly and then gave the
position back to Gasly. But then I think he was then once again later on, I mean towards the
end of the race, I think with Gasly struggling was they were swapping again. But overall,
Colopinto, yeah, missed out on points, finished 11th. But I'm still considering this Alpina
being one of the stinkers of the grid. And I think Franco, when you compare him to Gasly as well,
did a very commendable job. So that's why I've gone for a 7.
I've gone for a 7 as well for Franco Colopinto. He was half a second off a
points finish, incredibly close. Of course, I bet they wish now that
they hadn't allowed Gasly to get back through because Colopinto ended up being the lead
car. And that was the nature of this race. And we said at the start, jokingly about
how difficult this driver ratings thing is. And this just showed it between the two Alpines that
that race changed so much with how the tyre strategy went and the fact that people were
risking it on soft tyres, hard tyres, medium tyres, doing different things that even a team like
Alpine, they didn't know which car should actually be ahead. And then sometimes it's like,
Gasly's in the better position and then equally Franco's in the better position and it kind of
swapped. But to be half a second off the points, he needs some credit for sure. So
very disappointed he didn't get a point actually. But yeah, 7 out of 10.
The fans gave him a 6. Pierre Gasly started the race in 14th, finished 17th.
I've gone for a 5 out of 10 for Pierre Gasly. A very disappointing result. I think it looks
worse on paper. He just risked it at the end, tried to stay out and obviously just fell away.
He did the thing of just, well, if I pit, I'm way back in the pack. I'll stay ahead,
hope for more carnage safety cars, maybe even a red flag. And I stay ahead. It's something that
we've said before of other teams, why not at least just try it? So I commend them for trying it,
because you never know and you look like a genius if it does pay off. But instead,
the people on fresher tyres just flew past him and he tumbled down the order at the end.
Yeah, I've gone for a 5 out of 10 as well. 17th doesn't look great on paper.
The fact that after that last safety car, he was running in the points and that's the
only way he would have scored points. So you've got to commend Alpine for giving it a go
and for Gasly for trying that strategy. But yeah, he was down if he did, down if he didn't.
So that's all gone for a 5. I'm not going to downgrade him any lower than that. He went
for it and it did not pay off. The fans gave him a 5 as well. Lance Stroll started the race
in 19th, finished 7th. Unbelievable. How on earth do you grade a man who crashed the car twice and
then scored more points than his teammate? Well, I'm giving him an 8 out of 10. Lance Stroll,
congratulations. You did it again. He becomes a mean, he crashes multiple times in one weekend
and then finishes 7th. The guy clearly can drive. We see this and perhaps there needs
to be some respect put on his name sometimes. There are times where he absolutely deserves
the criticism he gets but he does do these kind of drives every so often and to go from 19th to
7th should be commended. There is some downgrading there due to the fact that
he obliterated his car twice but he bounced back. He said it himself and I have to
give him an 8 out of 10. So well done, Lance. I have gone for a 7 out of 10 for Lance Stroll.
Obliterated the car in practice and qualifying. Started at the back but he made it through to
7th. We say in crazy races that Lance Stroll does manage to get to the front even when
he of course had good fortune with the timing of safety cars and things
but he made it through into 7th place and it's still
a good result for Aston Martin to finish 7th. It's like a strong result when the kind of
midfield is close. So yeah, I've gone for a 7 for Lance Stroll.
So let me just, let me just, just for a second. So pit lane to P6, Rolly Bearman 9 out of 10.
19th to 7th is a 7 out of 10. Where's the downgrades coming from? Because that's what
my brain's probably thinking. That's probably what a few fans are saying.
Crush the car in practice. Crush the car in practice. Crush the car in qualifying.
So those, is that a point each? Say there's no crashes. What would you do?
It's not a 10 though is it for finishing 7th in Aston Martin because
no, no, but if, even if he finished 7th, like his teammates finished 8th with bad luck.
So like 7th is probably about where the Aston Martin should be.
And then of course he, he got let through by Alonzo to go after Bearman, which he didn't do.
So like he's, he's, he's finished out of Alonzo because he's been let through as well. So that's
why it's the fastest car though at the end there. Cause he had fresher tires. Yeah. Cause he had,
cause Alonzo peered just before the same car. It's amazing that you know,
almost every, every turn that Alonzo's had. Yeah. Cause I watch Alonzo's race.
Full on board. Okay. The fans gave Lance an 8 out of 10. Let's head to Fernando Alonzo who
started the race and 10th finished 8th. It's a 9, no, it's not, it's a 7. It's the same as,
as Lance Troll. A 7 out of 10 for Fernando Alonzo. Of course I can see everyone going,
oh my God, why haven't you given him a higher grade? But like he finished ahead
because Alonzo let him go at the end. He had all the good luck in strategy. Alonzo got
shafted constantly, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give Alonzo like an 8 or a 9 because he did
have his own shortcomings kind of struggled to get, to get past people. And yeah, qualified 10th,
finished 8th is like a solid result. I think kind of Aston Martin, based on what Alonzo did and
could have achieved in qualifying and what we saw from the Aston's, I don't think 7th and 8th
is the maximum that car could have achieved. So that's why they're both getting 7ths.
It's interesting because I felt like Fernando did say like there wasn't much more pace in the car
afterwards, so maybe we got baited by practice, I think, with the Aston's and especially in
Hungary as well. I've gone for a 7 out of 10 for Fernando Alonzo that I've got a commender
teammate. Worse than Stroll. Yeah, I've got a commender teammate that when he's
done something like that, let him say. Do you think there's a bias for Stroll in the fact
that when he does something bad, he gets an unnecessarily harsher grade and when he does
something slightly good, he gets an unnecessarily good grade? Perhaps. Yeah, look, sometimes we
have our driver ratings, which obviously get questioned all the time. But we also take into
account what we expect from a driver as well in some ways, don't we? So what I expect from
Lance Stroll and what I expect from Fernando Alonzo are two very different things and perhaps
that's where confusion sometimes lies. So that's where, you know, my grades are usually
very low for Lance, so I'm going to let him cook with an A. You know, enjoy the money,
that's what I'm going to say for Lance. And for Fernando, yeah, I genuinely, I thought there
was a top five in it for Alonzo this weekend and it did not, didn't work. He lost places
at the start, dropped to P13 and then he said that the safety cars didn't help,
but as I look at all the quotes almost from everybody that finished from sort of
sixth below, they really didn't, or maybe seventh below, they didn't enjoy the safety cars.
So there's actually, there's a radio, as you joked that I watched every single
lap of Fernando Alonzo. Is it him screaming? Yeah, yeah, the safety car. He literally pitted
and this is like the ultimate time where you get shafted, isn't it, when you pit and
then the safety car comes out. And yeah, he just made his pit stop, dropped right to the back
and then Hamilton had crashed and they came on the radio to say Hamilton had crashed
the safety car and he just basically let out the most annoyed grunt ever. Yeah, it was quite sad
for Fernando. That man wants to beat Stroll so badly in this title. That means more to him
than it does to me, that stat. Yeah, I mean, but the fact that he's even having to try
it on me, does that say that Lance is one of the best riders on the grid? We'll come back
with that one. Yeah, as we saw from his brilliant 8 out of 10 drive, as you said.
He's so salty. I love it. So I've given Alonzo a 7 and the fans gave him a 7 as well.
Kimmy Antonelli started the race in 11th, finished 16th.
It is going to be a 3 out of 10 for Kimmy Antonelli. Everyone will be proud of me for not giving
him a 0 for taking out Charles Leclerc, but here we are. It is a 3 out of 10.
It was a misjudgment. It was a silly error. It's not an absolutely catastrophic incident as much as
it felt like it at the time. I'm seeing more and more criticism for Kimmy Antonelli coming
up now and it is interesting to see people's opinions of Kimmy and has he been promoted too
soon. There are mistakes coming in now that is almost each weekend, but then Canada's so
easily forgotten and it's potential, but there's a lot of mistakes that we thought
was going to happen at the start of the year, but it's happening now. It just needed to have a chill
race, just needed to finish in P5, P6 and this would have been a lovely 8 out of 10 drive,
but instead he ruined it and didn't get any points. So it's a 3 out of 10. I found it a
bit strange. He said that Charles started to come down the banking slightly and that's
when the contact happened. Charles was right at the top of the banking, my guy. He was not
coming anywhere near you. It was you that came into him. So 3 out of 10. Don't open those
counterworms again. We're just going to pass to you.
Can you give him a zero by the time? Yeah, I'm going to change my grade by some
of the soonest talking. I've gone for a 3 out of 10 as well. It was between a 2 and a 3.
I'll go for a 3 because I think until that move he was looking to have a decent result,
but that doesn't take away from the fact. He was having a very good race.
It was a stupid move that didn't need to happen and all his great work was completely undone
by a totally unnecessary move that was never on. I'm changing my grade too. He sped in the pit
lane. It's a 2 out of 10. I just thought of it as well. I just thought of the Charlotte
Clarins again. It's a 2 out of 10. Thank you. And then of course he sped in the pit lane
as well. It's just a nightmare for Antonelli because I appreciate the fact that he's on
fresher tyres. He knows that's his only chance to make a move, but you need to use your brain
there of risk versus reward. I do appreciate he's in a top team and the pressure's on him
more, but that being said, you didn't see Hajar when he was within half a second of a
step and trying to go for an absolute hero move and try and get a podium. It's a tough weekend
for Antonelli and hopefully he can bounce back from it because this should have been the race where
we just forgot about that end before the summer break. Well, he's heading to a track that he
ended up in the wall after a lap and a half of free practice. He's incredibly good in a Formula
1 car at two-thirds of that track and can't wait to see how he gets around that parabolic.
I really do hope he delivers in Italy of all places. At the fans gave him a 3 out of 10.
George Russell started the race and fifth finished fourth.
Oh my word, this one's difficult. I am going to give George Russell
a 7 out of 10, which is insane because he finished fourth. It's a tough one because
I look at the result and I see fourth and you go, that is probably whereabouts the Mercedes was.
Then, of course, Lando Norris retired. Two Ferraris retired. I know Hamilton would have
been behind him, but Leclerc was ahead of him and also he's been beaten by Isaac Hajar.
Yeah, I'll go for a 7. I do think that George maybe had more in him this weekend,
but it's still a decent race from him. A crazy result, actually, to get P4 is
what he would do sometimes on his best days, but I don't think this was his best day.
No, it wasn't his best day. I've gone for a 7 out of 10 for George Russell. I think that
the damage was massively hampering him. He said after the race that he was losing a second perlap
because of the damage with Charles. For him to still finish fourth is wild, but he also then said
that it was a bad start from him, poor driving to let Charles through and just overall it wasn't
the best race. As much as fourth looks great on paper, there's a lot more I think that was
on the table for George, at least in race time. There's not a lot of many more positions
you can gain, especially when you've got Verstappen and Piastri in first and second,
but third would have been an easy 8 or 9 out of 10 maybe for George, but instead it was kind of
what could have been. Perhaps did he really need to squeeze Charles as much? It wasn't generational.
I'm going to use that word move from Charles Clair, but we'll get onto that.
But yeah, George squeezing him a little bit too much caused him to have quite a bit of damage.
The fans gave him a 7 as well.
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Yuki Sonoda started the race in 12th, finished 9th.
This one, this one, this one's a bit crazy, you know. I'm going to go for a 6 out of 10
for Yuki Sonoda. I thought, yeah, I'm happy for him. Do I give him a 7? But then I'm like,
it's 9th and cars literally crashed in front of him and it was a crazy race
and he's still only finished 9th. It's sad to see, from what he's saying after the race,
he's feeling a little bit more confident in the car and there's pace being extracted
and qualifying is quite difficult round here when it's such a short lap and the red bull clearly
isn't there anyway in comparison to the McLarens, but it's still nowhere near
like an 8 or a 9 out of 10 performance in my eyes. So I'm going to have to give it. It's
probably not going to go down very well, but look, it's 9th and he gained positions
from drivers not finishing. So yeah, there you go. Tommy, am I in the wrong?
No, you're not. I've gone for a 6 out of 10 for Yuki Sonoda as well. It will go down badly,
but I think when you put your sensible hat on and not judge it with your heart and go,
yeah, Yuki was in the points. It's not a 7 out of 10 drive for finishing 9th in a red bull.
I know we know the second red bull and on all this guy, we have this conversation every single time
and my sister happens to finish the race in second. But even with that, the fact that the
second red bull has been incredibly hard to score points in, he's finished 9th in a race
of attrition where two Ferraris and a McLaren have retired where Isaac Haja has got on the
podium where Lance Droll has smashed his car twice and still come through and beaten him,
where Ollie Bearman has finished 6th in the house. So 9th is not, it's not a mate,
it's not 7 out of 10 worthy in my opinion. So yeah, I've gone for a 6 as well.
Well, the fans disagree. They think it is 7 out of 10 worthy because that's what they have
gone for. Max Verstappen started the race in third, finished second.
I have gone for a 9 out of 10 for Max Verstappen. A difficult one to grade because
how much of it now is like, can Max only get a 10 by beating the McLarens but can anyone
beat a McLaren? It's a tough one because he got one of them at the start. He tried everything
but it was quite clear from everything that played out that the McLarens were just too far
gone. So second was the best he could have possibly, well third was the best he could have
possibly hoped for and then one of the McLarens retired. So yeah, I've gone for a 9 out of 10.
One thing that when I watched back the replay because so much happened I totally forgot about
was that absolutely mad start that we didn't even cover in the podcast because so much happened
towards the end but my word that was insane the fact that Lando had kind of, Verstappen went for the
kind of glory overtake around the outside of Oscar Piestri to try and take the lead
and in doing that actually allowed Lando to get back through but Max was like,
absolutely no way you're coming through and how he didn't lose the car
and I mean what a different world championship it would have been if Max had lost the car and
smashed into the side of Oscar Piestri and Lando won. No, but then Lando wouldn't have won.
Hadja would have won. Hadja win, yeah, an alternate reality. Hadja wins the race.
Oh my, with a Lando DNF a few laps from the end, goodness gracious me. That's a
different. Yeah, true. I have gone for a 9 out of 10 as well for Max Verstappen,
a very solid weekend from him bouncing back after a bit of a drought from the podium. Was it Silverstone
the last time he'd had a podium? So yeah, a really good bounce back from Max. I'm not surprised
in the slightest that move on, as you say, on lap one that was just ridiculous. Had he just
pinned it, that would have been quite the, I don't know how you would have coped with that one,
Tommy, to be honest with you, but the fact that he even managed to get ahead of Norris,
you know, it was a great strategy call to start on the softs and just try something different,
maybe hope for a bit of rain coming. I think that's the kind of thinking they were having and
it was the right decision and you knew it was coming. You knew that he was going to try that
from the fact that he had beached it in the gravel when exactly turn one
and Oscar did a good job as well to defend from Max, trying to swing all the way around
the outside with slightly grippier tyres, but yeah, Max, he's pretty much done the maximum,
but I'm not going to give him a 10 because it's so hard to really grade these things,
isn't it? When car performance can change quite drastically, especially in the red bull.
The fans gave him a nine. Lewis Hamilton started the race in seventh, did not finish.
Oh, Lord, this one's a difficult one because he crashed on his own and it was a little bit slippery,
but everybody was dealing with the slipperiness. It's going to be a two out of 10 for Lewis Hamilton.
I'm really sorry. It has to be. I can't give him a higher grade than Kimmy Antonelli. It's
shocking to see that Hamilton was the only one in those slightly damp conditions to be the
one that made the mistake and crashed. Up until that point, he was looking pretty good
in comparison to Charlene Qualifying. It was very close between the two of them. Hamilton was not
far back from Charl during the race as well, and then it just all went wrong. I couldn't
believe the sort of flash cut camera angle to a Lewis Hamilton that's crashed in the wall.
It's bizarre to watch, and it just further compounds the season that he's having at the
moment. I can't give him any higher than a two. I really can't because he's crashed out through
no fault of then his own. I've gone for a three out of 10 for Lewis Hamilton,
same grade that I've given. Antonelli, a big error, a very costly error, running wide,
crashing the car on your own. He's the only one in that race that has retired through essentially
his own fault. A really difficult race for Hamilton. When it was looking good and had
he just finished behind Leclerc on the road, had Leclerc also not been obviously retired,
we'd be saying, oh, it's not really too much to worry about, but instead everything's going to
kind of ramp up again and all the chatter of kind of what is going wrong with Lewis Hamilton.
And may I also add the reason I went for a two is not only because of the fact he crashed out
on his own, but he picked up a penalty before the race even begun by speeding around the
final corner when there's double waved yellows, and then he's just gone into the pits like
practicing, coming into the pits during a race. And that is something that the drivers were told
prior to the pre-race reconnaissance lap is that it would be double waved yellows because of the
nature of the track. So that in my mind, it's not anything but a Hamilton mistake. Everybody
else slowed down enough. He only slowed down by 20 kilometers an hour in a double waved yellows,
and now he's got a five place grid penalty for Monza. Something I said in best reactions was
that I'm a bit disappointed with the stewards to have not made that decision, which literally happened
before the start of the race. And he's carrying a penalty into the next race, because they had to
look at telemetry here and telemetry there and this, that and the other. And this is why it was
a slow process. It's like, that doesn't make sense to me. What do you think, Tommy?
Yeah. And I know what you mean. Like it was a big error, the fact that Hamilton
got a penalty for that. And if they've been told, don't do that, then it's on him to make sure he
kind of respects those rules. So yeah, it's a big one to take that penalty into Monza because,
well, is this going to be a race where you think Ferrari would deliver even the years that
they have a tough year? They do seem to get to Monza and know how to kind of make that car
work. So it'll be absolutely gutting for him if Ferrari are quick and challenging at the front,
that he has that five-place penalty. Watch Hamilton get pole at Monza now. You've heard
it here first. It would be a shoe macker. It'd be the shoe macker at Monaco all over again,
wouldn't it? Well, Michael's shoe macker at Monaco. That is heartbreak. I will never
get over the fact that he had a penalty into the race. Okay. So let's not talk about that.
The fans gave Hamilton a four out of 10. Interesting.
Charles Leclerc started the race in sixth. Didn't finish either because neither of them did.
I've gone for an eight out of 10 for Charles Leclerc. Yeah. He was driving a good race,
the move on Russell. I absolutely loved that's what I want to see from Formula One drivers.
And look, I've said this before and I said that I'm so glad they did not penalize that move.
And it's just further cements that Charles Leclerc is one of the best wheel-to-wheel drivers
in the sport. And yeah, it was a great result. I can't give him a nine personally because
in my opinion, he was going to finish behind Tadjar. We don't know what would have happened
out of the pits and it wasn't his fault for pitting again. But of course, he was
then ended up behind a couple of cars as well. And it's all if-buts from Maybes, but it was still
a good race from Charles Leclerc. Well, you know what, Tommy? I can go for a nine and I will
because I think Charles Leclerc was having a great race, to be honest with you. That
Ferrari, especially at the start of Friday, was looking shockingly bad. They managed to turn
it around to have a pretty good qualifying. And then from there, I know we're saying like,
Hadjar's the benchmark. How can we give anyone else any other good grades? But Hadjar had a
phenomenal weekend and got every last droplet out of that car. So I'm not going to take away
from Charles Leclerc's race just purely because of that. And I'm not giving Leclerc
a 10. I'm giving him a nine because I think it was a very good race that he was putting
down and that move on Russell deserves a 20 out of 10, just that. He came from so far back,
Tommy, on George Russell of all people. Anyway, that's my court cases that Charles Leclerc
deserved a low nine. Please don't hurt me. Okay. Well, I just want to grill you because I know
you like to grill me on my fanboys. No, no, no. I am helping the fans understand. So go on,
hit me back. Okay. I just would love to hear your kind of theory of why Charles Leclerc deserves
the same grade as Max Verstappen who finished second in the Red Bull when Charles qualified.
Six wasn't massively quicker than Lewis Hamilton. And then, of course, made that move,
but was going to finish behind Hadjar. And then we don't know where he's going to finish
because I know it wasn't his fault that he crashed, but we don't know what would have
happened in those last 20 laps. Sure. Thanks for the question, Tommy. Next time,
don't ask it. No, I'm kidding. I think the reason I've gone for that is because I'm not
putting the Red Bull and the Ferrari in the same universe this weekend. I think that Max has done
a very good job and that Red Bull was decent. Yes, we look at Yuki Snowder, he's struggling,
yeah, whatever. But we know that sadly, the second seat is anomaly.
Yeah, Max did a very good job. Is it a 10? No, it's a high nine. Charles
and Claes are low nine, but we don't do lows and highs here. We just do absolutes, Tommy.
Exactly. And I know everybody's going to be writing their opinion as well right now.
And the difference between an eight and a nine is astronomical, isn't it? It's an entire number.
So, yeah, there you go. I'm standing on business, Tommy. I'm standing on the fact
Charles was having a fantastic weekend and we're going to go with a nine. The fans also
went for a nine. Please get your comments in and how you agree with me. Thank you.
So, we now head to the McLarens. Oscar Piastri started the race and first finished first.
Well, this is going to be difficult, isn't it? It's a 10. It's his first grand slam of his career.
Well done to Oscar Piastri for that. He had it in the locker, very close in qualifying.
I know that Lando has been saying that he got a bit unlucky with the wind and
things like that in qualifying. I'm kind of sat there going, I mean,
the wind can change at any point. I know he's talking more about the run to the line
and the fact Oscar did also get a little bit of a slipstream, I think, from a racing ball.
So, yeah, there is small bits of luck here and there, but that's Formula One. Oscar
managed the race perfectly well. He made sure that Max didn't get a sniff out of turn one
and from there on, he just seemed untouchable. Yes, Lando got close, but we know with dirty
air, there's very little chance of him getting close. I think Lando one lap had DRS and then
from there fell away. So, it is a perfect score because it's a perfect weekend from Oscar. He
literally got the grand slam. So, well done. Yes, it's a 10 out of 10 for Oscar Piastri. Perfect
score from a perfect weekend. Very close margins, of course, but got the pole position
and then just raced away at the front. He had the luxury, of course, of being ahead,
but he got the pole position and that's the position that he put himself in. So,
it's a moment of the championship, of course, as well, where he got some good fortune
in the fact that Lando had the failure, but I just hope that if Oscar Piastri does win the
title with a decent points margin, we won't look back on it and kind of consider him like
this really good fortunate champion because he's driving superbly and I think he absolutely,
you know, is the way he's driven so far. He's absolutely deserving of this championship anyway
and we'll find out what Lando can do in these final races, whether he can overcome that points
deficit and we'll see how it all stacks up at the end. But yeah, Piastri is just driving
so well and what a big drive from him.
Yeah, a massive drive from Oscar and yet you cannot say that he is not a deserving champion at the
end of this season. He has had so many flawless weekends where he has just dominated from the
front and that is the sign of a champion. It is unlucky for Lando and we will reflect
after Abu Dhabi what the points margin is, but at the same time Oscar has been brilliant
and we can't take that away from him. The fans gave him a 10 out of 10 as well.
Lando Norris started the race in second, technically finished 18th but you know basically a DNF.
I've gone for a 9 out of 10 for Lando Norris. Incredibly fine margins of course. It's very,
I think it would be very easy to go, oh Lando, some people will go, oh Lando deserves an 8
because he got passed by Max and all this kind of stuff, but like it was such a small
gap in qualifying and once you're kind of on the dirty side of the grid and Max had soft tires,
I think it was going to be a little bit difficult anyway for Lando. I don't think that's him
bottling the start or anything. That's just Max doing a brilliant start and taking that risk
and then made the move back, caught Piastri up. I've heard some people saying that he pushed his car
a lot to try and catch up. His team told him, of course, the only way we're going to win this
race is for you to absolutely go for it and that may be the case that them turning the wick
up and him absolutely going for it is kind of risking the car, but you can never,
you know, Piastri's also had equally had races where he's gone after Lando and not had car failures.
You can't blame the car failure on the fact that he's just kind of gone for it. In the
Formula 1 now with how reliability is working and how bulletproof a lot of these cars are,
you couldn't expect even McLaren when for them to basically let Lando go for it,
they would never have thought in their wildest dreams that it would result in a
basically a mechanical failure. It's just bad luck. So that's why I've gone for a 9 for Lando.
The very fine margins could have been very different had he got pole position, but of
course he didn't. So it's a 9. It's a 9 out of 10 for me as well for Lando. It is another
weekend, back-to-back weekends now where he gets a pretty good start and then gets
shafted because of the way in which he selected his track position. Of course, Max on the soft
tyres was always going to do something and he did and of course got a great start as well.
But in comparison to Oscar, when we first saw it, we were like, oh, Lando, has he got a good start?
So you can't really say he bottled the start. It's not like he got a horrendous launch or
anything like that. It's just the way of Zambot where you can swing it around the outside
and when your opponent has soft tyres then they're always going to have an opportunity.
But apart from that, he didn't put a foot wrong. He was just behind Piastri, sadly in the case of
Formula One in these days, just can't get close enough to overtake. And so fully does deserve
a 9 out of 10. He said after the race that you get dirty air at four seconds and he said he
was pretty happy with the fact that he was able to stay as close as he was. Not that that
gives him anything, but he said it was reassuring. So it's a 9 out of 10 for me.
The fans gave him a 9 as well. So finally, who is our P1? Isaac Hadjar. Tommy, what's yours?
It's Isaac Hadjar. Sorry, the editor is going to hate me for that. I should have said a few
things so that it comes up. Well, we'll slow down now and then you could have the lovely
graphic. Who is our P1? Isaac Hadjar. There's my scores. Isaac drove phenomenally well as we
know, and no one else is more deserving than that of my P1. Yeah, it's definitely Isaac Hadjar. As I said,
it would be an 11 if I hadn't used it. Can't keep saying that, Tommy. You can't keep doing this.
Well, they're migrating. Yeah, but your 11 isn't there to be given out, Tommy. You've
already done it. We both have. Yeah, we set the rule, didn't we? We said we're allowed
111 a year. We did. Now, we need 511s. There we go. Perfect. All right. Thank you, everybody,
for tuning in to this Driver Ratings episode for the Dutch Grand Prix. We're back once again for
the Italian Grand Prix literally this weekend. Looking forward to that on YouTube and Twitch
for our watch along as always. Tommy, what are your final thoughts? Final thoughts are
as much as we banter about the driver ratings and how when we have a crazy race, it makes
it more controversial and you have to have opinions on how people did based on their performance
and also good fortune. It also makes it way more interesting. Despite us having disagreements,
and I'm sure other people have disagreements, it's a lot more fun when we can have interesting
debates about why we think things are better than others. Just because we may have given
a driver one point higher or lower does not mean we hate them. Okay, this is all just
a form of support. Apart from my hate surrounder, I'll on say. Well, no, I just I actually just
revel in your disappointment and sadness. Yeah, that was basically just a fake grade.
Yeah, there you go. Right. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you soon. Lots of love. Take care.
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