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Dominating with Dawson.
Let's dominate.
Ben Dawson, Ben Dawson. We need to clarify something. I need me some Ben Dawson.
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Oh, well, that wasn't exactly what I was going for. But at least you're here.
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They disagreed with what I know to be factually correct.
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So, Ben Dawson, Ben Dawson.
When passing, is it safer to pass close to the car?
Or is it safer to pass with a wide gap between the cars?
I would choose closer to the car.
Yes, correct.
Do you have reasons for this or do I get on my soapbox?
I would choose closer to the car so it's more likely that they see.
I'm over there and it's just fully out of their field of vision.
I mean, closer to the car doesn't mean a half an inch away from their door panel,
but I want to be in a similar proximity where maybe I get a little whiff of that good grip
of where the line might be, especially if they edge over a little bit.
Let's share the line a little bit.
But yeah, closer proximity to the geometrical line that you want to be on
to optimize your turning radius.
What if it's on the straight?
Yeah, I want the advantage of being close to them just so they feel a little bit of pressure.
To me, it's not all about necessarily the, exactly, the, you know,
stealing the line from or being as close to being on line as possible.
But also it's about like, I mean, I'm French, but I'm right here.
I'm coming through.
This is happening.
Part of it.
Part of it is forcing your point.
We don't get into the, we don't talk about, we, I mean,
it's just called dominating with dolls.
I guess we might as well talk about dominating, but like, I'm not trying to,
I'm not trying to make this person not feel like they're being passed,
not feel like I'm squashing them behind me.
Like I'm pushing you behind me because I'm passing you.
Like I'm squeezing you.
I'm squeezing you behind me because I'm going faster than you.
And that's for you to be.
So I don't know.
Part of it is part of it is a little bit of the psychological thing of like,
yeah, I could give you, I could be on the full other side of the track
to give you the most generalist passing experience possible.
Or you should have gotten out of the way of the last corner.
Now I'm going by and you're going to go by where I could reach out and
slap the side of your car.
You know what I mean?
So to me, that's part of my thinking is like, you know,
you're doing it, doing it close to, to, to maintain your advantage.
Geometrically on the track, you know, to, to be where you want to be
position-wise.
Um, you know, I'm not, I'm certainly not talking about side
drafting.
Like I'm Dale Jr.
There's no arrow.
There's no arrow happening here.
There could be some arrow with bump drafting nose to tail.
But in this kind of situation, there's nothing,
there's no arrow advantage to be gained or anything like that.
But I mean, there is a, I mean, there is.
I hate to use the word, but I mean, you're kind of,
you're kind of forcing their hand and intimidate them a little
bit.
If you just write next to them, like, this has happened.
This is what's going on.
Um, you know, and I think, I think also does keep them
aware of like, there's a car right there.
Um, you're also limiting their options.
If you're all the way across the track,
you have some tons of room for activities to do other crafts
that might be, that might interfere with your past,
but you got them kind of hemmed in right next to you.
You're right.
You're right next to them.
You're kind of forcing, uh, what they're able to do
and what they're not able to do.
Does that make sense?
It does.
You know what, you know what?
This is an opportunity for me to practice my,
my, uh, my improv skills.
Okay.
You know?
Yes.
Yes.
Two things.
One, if anybody's interested, uh, in joining our Patreon,
uh, we would immediately sign up Ben Dawson for Duolingo
because he obviously needs to know what French is
because his French and real French, very different.
Second thing, it's in addition to everything Ben said,
which is appropriate, you know, the car can see you.
Uh, you don't want to give them too much room.
You get a little bit of the line.
Uh, they, they don't do anything weird that you can't see.
The blind spots are smaller, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's simple physics, right?
If you are opposite sides of a straightaway,
I'm just going to do a straightaway.
Not, not even going to complicate things with a turn.
If you're going down a straightaway and it's,
you know, I think roughly they're about 40 feet wide.
You have one car on the left side going to a turn,
just straight turns way down the road and one car on the
right, right? If those two cars hit,
they have all that distance to build up momentum and come in
at a harder angle.
If they are six inches apart, you're going to get a donut.
Okay, you get a donut, but really,
you don't have that much time to build up sideways forces.
So it minimizes the consequence of if there is contact,
it can't be big because you're not going to be going
down a straightaway and then all of a sudden one guy says,
hey, left turn right in the middle of a straightaway.
Not a lot of people do that.
Now, does a car break or does a wheel pop and things happen?
Yeah, but it's still better to be close than it is to be far.
You should pass close because there's no blind spots.
The blind spots are smaller and the amount of energy
you can transfer between the two cars is reduced
significantly.
Yeah, you know, you can come from way across the track
and wallop the crap on somebody.
And to me, honestly, I didn't think about that
because I think if you're doing what we do with endurance racing,
DEs or whatever, you're always doing it.
You should be doing it.
I fully promote doing it with the zero contact mindset.
Contact is just so far from my frame of reference
that I don't even think about it.
I'm always assuming that I'm going to do every race I do
without touching another vehicle.
But that's a good safety consideration
that's kind of in the back of your mind.
But yeah, it didn't even occur to me that I need to limit
how much contact I could have or how much force would be in there
because I'm just never in the frame of mind
where anything I do is going to result in contact.
But yeah, that's another good point.
I'm much more centered on the intimidation
and the edging of the person over like,
get the hell out of my way.
I'm coming through here.
That's right.
I got stuff to do and passing you is one of them.
Exactly.
I can't.
I can't wait around behind you or next to you.
This has happened.
Let's go.
I believe this is coming soon to a story near you.
Ben Dawson, Dominique Dawson,
they call it a race, not a weight.
That's right.
The Ben Dawson story, it's a race, not a weight.
Yeah.
There you go.
And it does cut down on the size of the blind spot
just geometrically.
So you've got geometry.
You've got physics.
And you've got domination.
Well, and so tell me this.
So you got an opposing viewpoint to this, correct?
You were taking that.
So what was their reason?
They wanted room.
So if something happened, the cars could react.
And I'm like, are you going to?
It's a race, not a tea party.
Yeah, pretty much.
It seems rather weak.
But I could be wrong if I am.
Garage, you're in training at gmail.com.
Yeah.
Or go to Bill's house and throw a brick with your message
taped through a window through his window in his house.
Take your message to a brick and throw it through his window.
Yeah, but don't do it when you're really close to the window.
So it doesn't.
I'm sorry.
Bill lives in the Waffle House on a route.
So that's it.
That's right.
That's good, everybody.
We have the Waffle House.
We have a Waffle House in town, actually.
Everybody, everybody, there's already got a gun.
So it'll be cool. No problem.
Excuse me.
I would like to order some pancakes with butter.
Oh, that's right.
I want butter with my butter and my butter.
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after that description. We did it again. Why do we got to start talking
about? There goes our there goes our millions. Oh, well, we'll survive.
Well, I say when you when you are trying to execute a pass, be more
like as close proximity of two people fighting in a Waffle House than two
people yelling insults across the bar in a cheesecake factory, you
know what I mean? Here we go. Oh, now the cheesecake factory is not
going to sponsor us. God, I gotta shut my mouth. We're never
going to make it big time. Thank you, Ben. Thank you. That was
a good one. That was fun to think about.
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About this episode
Ben Dawson and the Garage Heroes team debate the safest and most effective way to pass another car on the track. They argue that passing close to the car is better for visibility, control, and psychological pressure, reducing blind spots and limiting the other driver's options. The discussion blends technical insights on racing geometry and physics with humor and personality, highlighting the balance between safety and assertiveness in competitive driving.
Original notes
DwD 0735: Passing Proximity - Near or Far?
We often hear people discussing how to pass, but not often do they ever review how close or far to be from a car that you are passing. So we do. PS It REALLY matters.
A link to the episode is: https://tinyurl.com/PassingProximity
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