End of an Era

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Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio WKQA

Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big Davy PA hanging out

with Camera Chaos and AVB. Hey guys, So, as Cameron

told you, guys, we are back from Semo. That's right,

we got back last week. But as you can still

hear my voice a little bit, I got sick at SEMA.

I don't know if I picked up something on the plane.

I'm not really sure what it was, but I've definitely been underneath the weather. I got it. Like I said,

you can hear my voice that's in there, and I can't seem to kick it. But I didn't want to

miss today's show. I want to make sure we definitely

got a good show for you. Talk a little bit

about semen, what we saw while we were there. Definitely

an interesting time this time around, something a little different, and we're going to jump into that and stuff. But

before I do, guys, how are you doing you? Yeah,

I like you hear it. It's it's still there.

Speaker 3: Somebody tried killing.

Speaker 2: It was still deep downside. I think we picked up

something on the plane because you know, as y'all know, Kurt went with us too, and he's been sick too, and him and I traveled together. The two boys, they

traveled together on their own and then travel together. They

won't ever miss a flight again.

Speaker 4: We miss our flight. Okay, Look, this relates a little

bit to car car news. Maybe you guys should put

more rental car signs. I know you guys have a

lot of sounds everywhere, but more rental car signs I could use it.

Speaker 2: So So if you guys have never been to Vegas Airport, if you haven't been there in a while, you used to return your rent of cars right there at the airport.

Now they have it a little bit off site and there's a tran Lousi. It doesn't take very long. But

if you can't find your way back to where you pick the car up from, the signs can be a little confusing if you don't know what you're doing. I've

been there enough times. I know the backway to get

there without having to go the way that they had to go there. They had to jump on the freeway

and take the off ramp, and I'm sure that's how you got right. Yeah, there's another way to get there

directly from the airport. We you don't have to do

all that, But anyway, took a little bit of time and they got stuck in Vegas.

Speaker 4: We made it, okay, we made it to our flight and she closed the door on me.

Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm going

to say.

Speaker 4: But yeah, we had fun, definitely adventures and got to see it. Like you were saying, you don't have to

spend money when you're in Vegas to go have fun.

You can actually go kind of a little bit of it.

Speaker 2: And I told everybody so if you guys don't know, so, I was raised in Vegas for a while, so I have a pretty much a good lay out of the lant and I like to hang out in places that aren't the tourist y kind of places, so that's where a lot of places we went hung out was a little bit away from the strip. We went to the

damn hung out there. We went to Mount Charleston, Red

Rock Canyon, you know, and did other things other than just sitting in a casino and spend money and obviously you know, doing the whole seam of things. So seem

it was a little different this year. The one thing

I will say that I liked about SEMA this year was it was the industru real part of it was pushed more so. It was more focused, I feel, and

if I'm wrong, you guys tell me said those of all that went, I just felt like there was a bigger push towards equipment and parts and all that kind of stuff that we're going to be out there versus just at all being show and go kind of set up, which was great. If you guys see some of the

interviews and stuff that have been popped up on our guys site, check them out. We got to hang out

with some pretty cool people. One of the ones that

you guys need to go check out. I don't know

if that one's up yet, but Motormeya it was a really cool experience while we were there. If you guys

don't know what I'm talking about, go look it up and go to their website. It's m otr.

Speaker 3: Im i A and that interview is coming up.

Speaker 2: So that is the setup I was telling you guys about that. I was kind of excited about seeing it

allows you. It's going to change the way that you

get car parks or and customize your car and all kinds of things along along that line. And it's really

neat platforms. So basically you just put in like you

kind of do when you're looking for parts nowadays, but you put in your car and it will find a picture of your car. I think you can actually load

your car as well into it. You can load your

own car into it, and then it uses AI to search every single platform for what things can be done to your car. Rather it's performance, break, suspension, you name it.

And then it'll also show you what other people. It

goes and searches platforms and pulls up and shows what other people do in their car. So if somebody has

customized their car. It'll tell you that they customized it

and what parts they use to get that look to their car.

Speaker 4: With that one, you know, and sorry, I didn't mean to cut off, but with that one, I saw the potential, you know, like just listening to them, and you know, it was kind of cool too. So they didn't just

have like sales pushers out there. They actually had the

designers yea, all the tech develop you know out there.

But the way that they were doing it, I could see them pulling that software and partnering up with a lot of like they were saying, auto stores, and they didn't show you a bunch of guys, like I said, go check out the interview.

Speaker 2: We did. We we played around with my car, the

trans am, and I could go find things like all kinds of stuff. And then it showed me, like I said,

showed me what other people did to their trans ams already as far as if they put wheels on or put different suspensions on it. And then you can actually

go and look at all that stuff and you can see what people thought of it. So it's it is

going to be revolutionary when that all is finally really starts.

And I think, you know, I was I was kind of trying to push because right now is in beta testing, and but it's being used quite a bit too. Well,

I'm just really kind of curious, like when it like when it was going to really start now, you know, I think I asked the question, was this really going to start rolling? He's like, well, it's already rolling. It

kind of took off like a wave once they created it.

But I can see why because yeah.

Speaker 4: He said, he didn't even release it yet, and then they started seeing website traffic come up, and they were like, the app started being found on itself organically, which is always awesome.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I for somebody like the in you guys and stuff we have, you know, older cars, sometimes you're curious like what can I do to it? But you know

what you kind of want to do to it, but you don't know exactly where a starting point and stuff like that. And that really is going to help with

that because I said, you'll be able to see what other people are doing and what they purchased to achieve certain looks.

Speaker 4: And there's nothing like that, right I can see just daily daily use people even using it, you know and just putting their own car into it and going what breaks are cheaper?

Speaker 2: You know what? Yeh, because every single it could be everything.

It doesn't have to be classic cars. We everything, but

yeah it's uh so we saw that. Uh you guys

see the interview. We ended up with Blueprint engines. They

got some bridges, They got some really cool uh engine setups over there. I really do like the whole dropping

with the z F and everything and a complete warranty that comes with it. So we would check out that interview.

Speaker 4: We met with CEO Hellwig Melanie white Shoe was awesome too.

Speaker 2: You know, I like the rig if you're an Overlander kind of guy, like an off road guy and stuff like that, and you want to see they had a pretty good like Overlander rig that they had built because you know, they're they're into the suspension parts and all that kind of stuff. They want to display what they are

capable of doing. And they had a pretty cool rig

in their booth. Like so one of the things I

noticed was, I said, a lot of the boosts were set up for I. Like I said, I feel this

year more the technical side of things to walk you through this and that and the parts and stuff, and like they're still display cars, but I feel like it was less display cars and more technical side of things. Yeah, yeah,

I mean it was. It was just really more gauge

that we haven't noticed even outside, so you know, from being there before out last time we were outside, it was just packed wall to wall with show cars and it wasn't set up that way this time, like I said, just a completely different feel to it. It was cool.

You got to see more of the industry side of it. Uh.

And we with people. Yeah, you know, we're looking forward to,

you know, try to do it again next year. Hopefully

that ends up working out a well let's just see, you know, who we end up partnering up with and how we end up making that all play out. But

definitely cool experience. We had a good time. Uh. We

we played a lot while we were there too, had a good time and hitting the casinos. Hit hit some

good jackpots while we were there, so that was good.

So it kind of made it made it worth being there.

But one thing about jackpots, as you win them and you didn't spending them right back into the system. But

as I think everybody learned. But like I said, we

had a pretty good time. They said we did a

lot of driving, around throughout the city and outside the city and just kind of hanging out and enjoying the sites.

So if you guys have never been to SEEMA, I highly suggest that you experienced at once. I think I

told you guys before to uh you know Seema, Barrett Jackson, do you know, do all that at least one time?

If you know, if your car guys, and you know through and through, you will truly enjoy uh some of the setups. I've been to pretty much all everything you

name it, I've been there, and it's every single thing is opened my eyes to a different side of things.

I will say that electronics in cars is still the big push. We saw a lot of technology again, and

so that's the rub like talk with some people and I had a kind of a couple of different conversations while we were there, and it's you know, you have motorheads, which are you know, you're just true hot rodders, and then you have people who are hot rodders don't mind a little electronics, and then you have people that are really interested in just all the new electronics stuff that's going to cars. For me, it doesn't really matter what

you're into. I really don't care as long as you're

in the cars period. Like I said, that's fine with me.

I think that's the biggest reason why. You know, when it

comes to manufacturers, I'm never like a set manufacturer guy.

When it comes to hot rods in cars and muscle cars, like I said, trucks, that's a whole other story. But

in cars, I really don't care what you drive. I

don't care what you build. I think it's all cool

and it doesn't matter who it's made by. You know,

I saw a rat rod the other day and I think it's a is it a Ford with a Cadillac motor or something like that, one of the rat rods, and you know, it's just thrown together. It may not

be everybody's cup of tea, but it's it's my cup of tea. I'm just like, Okay, that's the true hot

roller stance. You know, there's a we go the local

car show that we hit here. This guy named John's

got rat rod C ten pickup truck. Nathaniel knows him,

and uh, you know, like I said, not everybody's cup of tea, but that truck's cool. And every time, every

time I see that truck and I look at that truck, I noticed something A lot of times I've never I've never really noticed on it before. I can walk around

the truck and catch something that I had not.

Speaker 3: And John is always adding something to it.

Speaker 4: Like every time you're like that wasn't there last time, you know, he's like, oh yeah, I just added that.

Speaker 2: No, And we're not talking about like he finds like the strangest like ornate things. I think, Like, I think

it's got a bottle open or bolted into the body and it's old bottle.

Speaker 3: I say, every car has its like own a little cool you know, quirk to it.

Speaker 2: No, it does, I I agree, Like, but rat rods are you know, I think there's a special place in my heart for the rat rod guy because that shows true artist, I guess is maybe that's what it is.

It's like the art element of taking a car and making it something a focal point and things that you can look at, you know, I told you guys, I go down the rabbit hole quite a bit. One of

therabbit holes I go down to is I'm constantly looking at like rat rods that are half built, and I'm like, uh, be cool to buy that and finish that off, you know what I mean, just and that's just my love for cars. I can look at any single thing. Like

Nathaniel and I've been talking about building, you know, like a retro corvette. We've had a conversation probably about it.

One was about a year. So I keep on looking

at different style vets to build, you know, some type of retro vet and stuff. And I actually came across

one this week that would probably work out pretty perfect for what we wanted. The only thing about it was

that I didn't like as car was an automatic, and I kind of wanted to be stick for what we're looking to do for I mean, automatic is not a horrible but if I really had a pure choice to be fun, yeah, it definitely would be a five speed car.

I think I have a little more fun with a five speed car. But the clean car was clean, clean,

it was super clean. The price was really good on it.

But it's very hard for me right the second to buy another project, knowing that we have two sitting and right now being worked on. I can't imagine putting. Other

might need a winter car, Win might need a winter car, and I had a winter car. But uh no, like

I said, seemah was a good time.

Speaker 3: Good luck trying to get that across the bussinus.

Speaker 2: She's butter enough. And I told you guys, that's because

I'm trying to butter up towards buying something completely different, something new, because I just had this Intra one. And

I can almost justify that because she just after worry about me really putting my hands on it. If I

bought something new for the most part, maybe other than changing the wheels out or something like that, it pretty much be done.

Speaker 3: If I what is like back in the day, I think it was Mustang Like their commercial was like, don't you want your husband to get home safely? I'm pretty

sure is something like that.

Speaker 2: I think there's a funny one that's out there like that, it's done, but no, he's gonna go look it up now.

I missed some of the the old commercials. I've told

you guys that before. I think a lot of the

old cor commercials made you want to have some like the Heartbeat of Chevrolet and the old UH quarterback commercials and stuff like that. Some of the even camera commercials,

I mean just really you want to have those cards.

And if you go even further back and you look at some of the Mustang commercials they used to do.

Mustang was a little bit different. I came across somebody

sent me a.

Speaker 3: Reverse really bad, really different back then.

Speaker 2: Somebody sent me an old video in its express line of old Mustangs being made on the line and stuff, and it was kind of cool. And so whoever something

that I appreciate. I can't remember who it was, but

it was just something neat. I think I probably watched

it like ten times, like went back because it was just neat to watch, like how we assembled cars back then.

And these guys are like they got literally they're in white T shirts with cigarettes rolled up in their sleeve and stuff. You know what I mean. They're smoking cigarettes

while they're working, and it's just it was a different time, but it's cool to watch the nostalgics smoking around. It

was further down the line, but just watching these guys and you could tell they like enjoyed what they did, like they had pride in what they were putting together.

Speaker 3: And that was it was in its nineteen sixties where the marketing strategy was, you know, for why is persuade their husbands they get a safe alternative, you know, stylish car.

I guess it works well.

Speaker 2: So a lot of Mustangs worked for me. Here's what

I've always said that when you even he remembers that commercial, if you if you make commercials of the cars sliding around, if it's a muscle car and the car sliding around corners and it's doing everything, you can envision yourself doing one.

If you don't got my attention, I think, yeah, you got my attention. I think it sells more cars. Maybe

it doesn't, I don't know. Like the one they did

Dodge a couple of years ago where they got the kids driving they're like and they had to put the disclaimer at the bottom. Kids weren't actually driving these cars

drug by professionals, but they're sliding around like doing like three The.

Speaker 4: Best commercial that ever came out, and people back me up on it and probably even made them to who they are today. Kia Soul where they had the Hamsters

and the little car driving around and they were like playing and then they would do like Remember, the funny thing is they didn't just do one variation of it.

They did multiple variations. They had the DJ one No

they did it was cool now.

Speaker 2: That commercial definitely got you you remember it. That's the

whole one, and it sold that car like crazy. If

you guys want to talk about nostalgic things and how end of errors come, why don't you guys hold tight.

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I kind of want to jump into that. Got a

little something I want to talk to you guys about, has that topic. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So I led you into kind

of a little bit of story for Winter commercial break.

We were talking about like the end of an error.

I don't even know how to really even kind of jump into it, but so in my household and even the boys will tell you that I am a was always have been a creature of it. So I would

get up and I would watch, well, like start at seven am. I start watching car shows, usually on well

something for a while, there's someone played on Saturday, and then everything switched over to Sunday morning, and I would sit there and watch all the car shows, all the different car restoration shows, and they are a whole lineup.

So if you guys haven't noticed in the news today, it looks like most of those shows, because they're all underneath one production company, are going to all go away because that production company is closing down. And so I

started kind of thinking about it. I was like, man,

there's so many those shows that I used to watch, like Four Wheel Drive and all. And there's so many names.

If I can't remember so many somebody that have come in Monkey it was gas Mony Monkey.

Speaker 4: Well, no, they had Grease, but they had Grease Garage or something like that, which was was on.

Speaker 2: A completely different network. But even that has come and gone.

If you think of all the different car shows that have come and gone. But there was a for the

longest time, they all played one after another, uh for a certain lineup of shows, and I them all from building hot rods to building trucks to building you know, I just went from one show to the other, and I think they have two girls garages and one of them right this second.

Speaker 3: Well, I've always said that their downfall most of the time is that, you know, they publicize the shows as you know that they're doing exactly what they're doing live, but it's all very orchestrated. I feel like they were

very honest and maybe it took a different approach to like the show and they would have a better result.

Speaker 2: Well, so, the biggest problem that runs on one of those shows, and this is going to be from me knowing people in the industry that have those shows, is the deadlines. So the deadlines were always just for it

to hit production and get the car done to make a show out of it. They were always pushing production,

so the guys couldn't really do a lot of things they wanted to do the car, or they couldn't do it to the caliber they wanted to do and turn right, that was a downfall lot of show. Now, if you

guys never watched and most of you guys that listen to the show and watch the show on the internet, you guys know of a lot of the different shows that are out there. So you have road which Roadkill

what started on YouTube and then it flipped into it on TV and it has been a great show to watch for I would say your average to your above average tinker and hot rod builder or whatever you want to build things. They built some really cool cars over

the years. None of their stuff, as far as I

am concerned, is too much out of the way of the normal average guy, right, So the things they build now, I would say that the charger they had, there's probably a lot of money that's tied up in that over the years. But they bought the car cheap. It was

a piece of junk and they made it into their own and it has a huge reputation. And the Roadkill

guys have been really, really cool with everything they've done.

I've had the opportunity to meet both of them. And

even as it flipped over into Faster with Finnegan and then now that is the two guys used to help them out. They kind of took over the show. So

but good people. They follow a lot of same form

as we follow too, because I see them pop up and com on a lot of stuff that we're commenting on online, which is great because it just tells you they're down to earth. So to watch a lot of

those shows go away. But it took me back to

a different time, right. I started thinking about him, like

a lot of these shows they're gonna, you know, end up going away. You're not gonna do because they have

like what engines Masters as well.

Speaker 3: I was just looking at that one.

Speaker 2: Masters was one that flipped over and there's Dave Dave Freiberg.

Speaker 4: Right, is that the one where? Oh man, there was

one that we watched as a kid. I was just

trying to look up. It was the the older gentleman

and his son and then they would work on the car and he'd be like, all right, so we're gonna be installing this. And then as they were installing it, it

cut over to the girl and she was explaining the parts like for you, like as it was laid out, and they cut back and he's like, okay, so we installed this part.

Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of shows that did it that way.

Speaker 3: They were really good, though, but.

Speaker 2: There's so in my generation. This is what reminded me

was so I was a car magazine kid and most of my friends were car magazine kids. And if you

don't know what that is, it means you had certain magazines that you always flocked to, like every month. I

couldn't wait for the new edition of Carcraft Magazine to come out. I was a Carcraft magazine guy. I read

it all the time. It went to high school with me.

I would sit in class and read Carcraft Magazine to adulthood.

Well yeah, yeah, I even had yeah it shortly into my adulthood. You guys remember a couple of those magazines

laying around for a while. But one of the ones

that my buddy read is he read hot Rod Magazine, which that was And to me, it's the difference between Carcraft and hot Rod Magazine was hot Rod was something at that point time that I was never going to afford, you know what I mean because of the cars that were in there, the caliber cars that were inside that magazine, and Carcraft was what I at that point time could afford it. Right right was working on an or could

afford a build. You don remember I had a seventy

seven cutless Supreme bro Ham that somebody put a four to fifty four in, So it was like Norton Tools and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: What it was.

Speaker 2: So I flocked to it. And I can remember I

would sit in algebra and I would I think, I told you guys my lunch break because we had off campus lunch was right before I only had two classes to come back to after that. One of them was algebra,

and I would go to Taco Bell and I'd get some bean burritos and I'd have my car craft magazine.

I'd come back in Algebra and sit at my desk and read car craft and eat my bean burritos in class.

And as long as you left me alone, you didn't have a problem with me in class. But if you

interrupted my car craft magazine, I might give you a little lip. I'm just saying pill was brito was not

being burrito car magazine time. Don't ask me what problem

I'm on. So, but and that was just like that

was me. That was the car car crafter and me,

at a young age, I just was addicted to cars, like I said, for a very very long time. And then,

as Cameron says, I grew up and you could still find car craft magazines run around, but the whole basket it became like an end of an error with car magazines For a lot of people I knew, like a lot of people that you know, were into cars when I was was younger, we just faded out of the magazine thing. So it's now, I wonder, because everything's now

streaming and everything's you know, everybody goes everydy watches everything on their phone.

Speaker 3: Do you feel like the magazine started to lag behind of what you were actually seeing in.

Speaker 2: Like the world.

Speaker 3: I didn't, so I okay, So mailboxes also got smaller, smaller.

Speaker 2: So I just sit and think about it before we came on the air, and I started thinking about some of the magazines that I read when I was a kid, and there was some most like I said, so carcraft was by number one hot rod. Every once in a

while I would pick up The reason why I would pick up a hot rod magazine, I said, I knew probably couldn't have ever afford at that point in time of mind, I could never afford to build what was in those magazines.

But once I got to the carcraft magazine, I read it like two hundred times, and I had to wait a whole nother month for a new carcraft magazine to come out. You had to pick something else.

Speaker 3: How many times did you have to fill out that postcards?

Speaker 8: Like?

Speaker 3: I didn't really you know, read them, and I was especially young, you know, especially when they were coming out wise, but I feel like they stopped becoming more of like an entertainment and like an advertisement wise and became more of like they were, you know, trying to sell a project.

Speaker 2: Funny you say that. So my biggest rub with some

of the magazine was is when I was reading, to me younger, I've seen to need more cars left stories, and then it was more and more average. See, like

every page was like Harver types in there, I mean like a product placeman. That drove me nuts. I was like,

I just want to see people talk cars and what they're doing in the cool pictures of cars. That's what

I wanted to see. So I had car craft, We

said we had hot Rod. Another one that I used

to read was a Trucking was another one that was like face based on mini trucks. I liked that magazine.

I don't know why why, Probably because a lot of my friends had many trucks and we had a Nissan pickup truck for a while. That was that was lowered

down and then I think I told you guys, I built a Dodge Ram fifty low Rider truck that I had.

I loved for a while, and I had that. I

went through the whole mini truck guys, things to go send all your funny messages. Now there was off Road

was one I used to I like, used to read and they had all the jacked up kind of trucks and jeeps and stuff. Four Wheeler Magazine was another one

I used to read. And some of these magazines bay

still be out there. I know I haven't looked in years.

Maybe they're still in publication. I don't No. Low Rider

was one that I did like, and I think the only reason why anybody's like we weren't really into low writers.

I wasn't into load writers, but I liked the paint jobs they put on the cars. The detailed growth that

they put in the paint job is what attracted me to that magazine. That's the only reason why I would

buy that magazine. Because I'd be walking by the little

news stand the US day in the grocery store and I would see a really cool car on the cover had awesome and awesome. Well, yeah, because it's hard to

find them nowadays, I don't see Megan, Like, every single grocery store had a magazine racked back in the day, and like and that's you'd walk by and like, oh, look at the new car crafts out and I grab it.

I'm like, oh, check that little paint job on the low Rider magazine and I buy The magazines were two ninety five three dollars something like that. Back they were

they were nothing. I mean, they didn't really call it. Well,

I guess that was kind of a lot of money soon effect. That pack of cigarettes when I was still

smoking was a dollar twenty five for a package.

Speaker 4: And now that I'll buy you a gallon of milk coming, No, that won't even get into a gallon of milk nowadays.

Speaker 2: Sorry, son, Like six dollars for a gallon of milk nowadays.

But like I said, it's just it's it's it's just it's sad to me because as I started thinking about magazine and how that kind of faded out for me and now and now you have all these car shows that are fading out. It's it's huh.

Speaker 3: What's next? Is the question?

Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. Where do you I mean, I

know what the.

Speaker 3: Answer is I can say, what's gonna be next? Posters

on the wall and pictures and bookcases. That is gonna

be next?

Speaker 2: Wait, because we did posters on the wall. Like I said,

everybody think every kid of my generation, give me nostalgic thing about this. I saw it. Somebody was talking. I

remember we were talking about the posters on the wall and cars and stuff like that. Yeah, we're in that

conversation at the book fair. That's right, some of the

book fair. I said, everybody probably had the Laborgati kootash,

But then I totally forgot. I think probably most kids,

they were car kids, probably had the Ferrari testrosa on their wall too. And when we think about that, was

is there's one of the auction sites came up and there's a test rosa at the auction for sale that is itching for me to own it, and the price is right on it. And not that I really want

a test rosa, because I don't be able really honest with you guys, I want to three oh eight because I never I've never been that. I've never been the

first of all, let's just be honest. If I probably

if I own a test like I told you, guys, Ferrari motors going to the junk. I'm put an LS motor, turbot,

LS motor everything.

Speaker 3: We're gonna do everything to salvage at first, right.

Speaker 2: Right, but it probably won't keep the Ferrari motor because I just don't want the hassle get a real car.

I just don't really want the hassle working on a Ferrari motor. I don't never worked on a Ferrari motor.

I already. I'll can tell you is the things I've

read about the hassles. I know if an L I know,

if an LS go is bad, I just throw the trash.

I throp another one in there, and I go to about my business for very little.

Speaker 4: Can you at the spot on the never owned a Ferrari list?

Speaker 2: I've always liked the three away, Like the three Away, I like to what the three fifty six is just?

But is priced right? Right this second? I've been watching

this auction that it wouldn't be too bad? Is priced right?

When I look at a Ferrari and I see that it's running right around the twenty five almost range for a car that's worth over one hundred thousand dollars, that's the right price. I'm just saying I don't know you

guys tell me if you agree with me, you don't agree with me. I gotta take another quick commercial break.

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Now back to your host Dave Pilach.

Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So during commercial break we finished

off the conversation and talking about like money for cars, right, and so here's the thing. I'm a car guy, like

I said, through and through love cars. I do think

there's a stopping point on money when it comes to cars.

Speaker 3: Now, I just how about a banana?

Speaker 2: You're gonna say that here? We were just joking about that.

Was it two million dollar banana with duct tape on or something? Dollars for a banana five point to point?

Speaker 4: It starts the show and goes you guys know, a banana with duct tape to sell for five point two And I'm like, all right and go.

Speaker 3: So what well, I'm just saying, where do I got to sell my art?

Speaker 2: At your banana? You want to sell?

Speaker 3: So here I'm going to do an apple.

Speaker 2: The conversation always comes something, you know, people always ask the question if you had, you know, twenty million dollars.

You know, what would you do? What cars would you buy?

And stuff like that, And my answer is always the same.

It wouldn't be million dollar cars. It just it wouldn't.

I mean, I know that sounds strange to people, but for me, that's not my interest. Don't mean wrong. I

like supercars. There's certain supercars I do like. I think

they're cool. But when it comes down to having to

write a check for one.

Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think there's like there's a little more to it though, right, because like there's you know, it's not just owning the like, it's not just gonna sit you know, you can sell in a magazine, you can do let them sit well. Yeah, but you know some

people also like do media with it, like I said, you know, selling a magazine or they do you know, they're like take it on like the you know what trips right exactly are rented out or you know, they could take it like a loan off the you know, two million dollar cars something else.

Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. It's still too it's.

Speaker 3: Still I mean, it's still two million dollars two million No no, no, no, it's art. It's not in the car.

Speaker 1: Point.

Speaker 3: I feel like stop saying art I have like crazy what we're talking about.

Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of people that haven't, but a lot most people that are car guys have been to enough shows. You've seen a laborgating couon toash up close. Okay,

some of you guys have the opportunity to drive them.

I've seen seen what close. I've had the opportunity to

drive one. I as much as they cost, I would

love to have one, but I don't think I could justify spending the money on one because a they're not comfortable to drive, They're not a driver's car by any means.

They are cool looking, but I think at that point in time, that's it. That's where it stops for me.

So I would have a hard time. I much rather

own like a sixty nine fully restored sixty nine Chevelle.

You know, give me like a sixty five fast back it is completely restored. Go ahead and give me starmar right,

And I still haven't spent nearly the money that you would cost to buy a coon.

Speaker 3: That's usually it starts, right, you buy like one car, and you gotta get the other car, and then like you gotta get his brother and sister, and then you know. Now,

now this one's like to buy a.

Speaker 2: Competition, so you're a Chevy.

Speaker 3: You got buyctition No, and then you know, and then you're in the rabbit hole. Spend two million on a

car you don't really preferly like, but you got to completely do that.

Speaker 2: I'm telling you. You could give me. I kid you not, guys,

you guys. You can give me twenty million dollars spent

than on cars, and I'm not buying million dollar cars with it. I'm gonna buy.

Speaker 3: Cool It is a two million dollar car, but it was half off and then it's only on.

Speaker 2: I don't still don't think I could do it. Still don't.

Speaker 3: There's a million dollar car.

Speaker 8: I don't think you feel like you got a really good deal. I'm just saying, then you could really boost

about you know, I got a really good deal in this car, you know, seriously.

Speaker 2: I don't. I still don't think I could do it,

even if it was just even if it was a good deal side of it, unless I was planning on buying it to sell it to use that money to buy more other cool cars. I mean, if that's what

you have, I think that's the only only way I could do it.

Speaker 3: I just I mean, basically, we were all going to sell our cars at one point.

Speaker 2: I have the opportunity now. I had an opportunity about

five years ago to buy a Supra and and and it was a turbo, and the price was brought was very close to what I thought was reasonable for the car.

But when it came down to it, I was just like, I think supers are cool. I think turbo supers are cool,

but was it cool enough to justify the money that was being asked? Now the price, I probably could have bought.

Speaker 3: The car and made a made Well again, your bread and butter is well.

Speaker 2: I do like the souper, don't get me wrong, but.

Speaker 3: You like it, but it's not your bottom butter.

Speaker 2: The guy was selling it for twenty six thousand, and it was a garage kept the older gentleman's car. I

think the car only had like forty five thousand miles on or something like that, so it was good price.

It was it was. It was a good car. I

think I probably could have made ten grand on it if i'd bought it. I could have bought in Tourrount

sold and made ten grand. Because right now they're selling

for you know, you seeing fifty five sixty thousand dollars.

So I don't know, maybe, but it I the car looked clean. I didn't really go through everything on the

car and like that, but the car looked clean. It

looked like it definitely was a more of a survivor car that really did truly sit in the garage more than anything else. But it wasn't a sixty nine Camaro,

you know what I mean. Like, it wasn't a you

know what I mean, It wasn't something that, in my mind I think is a little cooler.

Speaker 3: Okay, the nostalgic.

Speaker 2: So then let's go back almost it's probably gotta be close to ten years now. And you know, I had

a chance to buy Honda Supercar. And the price, I

think the price was probably the price point on at that point time was right at probably what it ought to be. So and I'm talking about you know, the

actor NRX. I say, Hanna, but you know, guys who

I'm talking about. He wanted thirty three thousand for it. Yeah,

it is a nice car, and it was clean, clean supercar, and he wanted thirty three thousand for it, which I thought was probably right about what it was really worth at the time, even though it was a really clean car.

But I didn't pop on it either, because as cool as I think those two cars are, I start thinking about other things that I think that are just cooler, and it's hard for me to write a check and tie money up into Yeah, that's it, to tie the money up into it. And then a buddy of mine

like a year later, bought one. He bought a black one,

and I was just like, oh, yeah, you're just cool.

It has already had some work done to it. So

they did some engine work to it and had some wheels on it, which made a car even cooler looking.

But I was like, Okay, that's cool the way yours look.

But once again I could thought I thought of like instantly off the top. I had a ton of the

cars I'd rather own for that kind of money, and I was just like, eh, and that's what kept me from body a cool car. So I just think even

if you gave me analysts money, right that even with endless money, I still wouldn't pop for two million dollars in a car or a million dollars in a car.

Speaker 3: Some cars have like a cold falling, like there is a car that you that you really like, if it ever did have like a massive cold falling, you can find it that you don't want to see yourself paying maybe an extra extraordinary amount of money.

Speaker 2: As much as I tell you guys, as much as I.

Speaker 3: Like the trans ad, right, like the but it's not really like picked up where like they're extinct. I mean

they're extinct, really, but like nothing like a whole lot of nice ones, right, and they're not really boostering in price either, like know they're not.

Speaker 2: I mean the price has come up quite a bit on I think to buy what we own in a stock configuration for as clean as our our trans am is, you probably would be in the sixty five thousand dollars rings max stock.

Speaker 3: What would be the max price did you see yourself paying for, like say a NERD transam, if like a popularity arose again, and you know, I was hard to find.

Speaker 2: I like the four, I like the four to fifty five cars. I like in the course, I gotta be manual,

maybe seventy five thousand probably for something like that.

Speaker 3: That's your max could have fired again, couldn't get again.

Speaker 2: That's kind of hard to say, but I would say that probably would be like, that's not like some of these cars, super dudy car, even though I know the rarety that the're starting to come up on them like that seventy five thousand dollars. I just I think the

car's cool. I just don't think it's cooler than seventy

five thousands. Does that make sense? And people will go, well,

I would never sell mine for seventy five I'm not saying you have to. I'm saying that's my price point

on it. That I couldn't see myself paying anything over

that for the car, for a really clean one. I

just I just couldn't. Just like, I like the sixty

nine Firebirds. I think sixty nine Firebirds cool car. Even

know it's just like the six nine Camaro kind of.

I think they're really cool. The price points aren't crazy

on those yet. I mean you can still get those

for a pretty years goes by.

Speaker 3: You know, the cool cars do become more extinct and they will become a lot more experience.

Speaker 2: I feel like your aunt Wi, your aunt Deabie likes seventy Chevelle Ss is like that's her go to car if you gave her money and she could afford to buy you know one, but that's her go to car.

But even then, when it comes down to stroking a check for something like that, it's a little hard. It's

easy to talk about, it's hard to spend the money.

Like everybody. I've had many opportunities in my years to

buy a lot of cars I thought were cool. But

when it came right down to it, I can go on Marketplace right this second, scroll through about ten minutes and probably find about five cars I think are really cool, that the price points are I think probably where they need to be at. But when it comes right down

to it and going, okay, let me release this money to buy that, at the end of the day, it's just a car sitting in the garage right for that kind of money. And that's where the responsible side of

me kicks in.

Speaker 3: Well, what about getting something before it becomes popular?

Speaker 2: Though?

Speaker 3: So like you know, we saw like you know, our sevens to forty, you know, super so till you.

Speaker 2: Saw us to ten dots and that was all tricked out right, you know.

Speaker 3: Well, they I'm just saying, they get really big popularity and then you know it's hard to find those bodies.

They're a decent price.

Speaker 2: Something I have a weird itch for. I'll tell you guys,

it's a little different. I like the old Selicas, uh

toya Selica, like nineteen seventy eight, seven, I think seventy eight.

I think they're cool. They're and I think they're going

to become very nostalgic at some point in time, because I see, I already see that spin people are starting to go through and restore and make them cool. And

I've seen two that have been completely restored, and they did they didn't put the wheels on. They put a

different set of aftermarket wheels, and the cars look cool, and I was like, you know what, that's pretty cool.

I think that that going down that road. Sure, could

you grab a couple of those now for lesser money and hang on to them and maybe make money out of them later. Maybe, But once again, you've gotta nobody.

One thing I've learned from restoring cars, and especially with this transam, stroking big checks for big parts is easy in theory until it comes right down to have it.

And we have spent some big money on parts for the trans am, and like I said, when you get right down to the brass, tacks of it, and you go, I want this. Like I told you, guys, I kind

of want to do something with the rear end. Whether

we're end I'm looking. That's ten grand, you know for

the setup in it. It's great in theory, but it's

gonna be hard for me to write that ten thousand dollars check if I really want to convert it. So,

I don't know. You guys tell me maybe I'm off base,

but I don't think I am. I'm gonnake a qui

commercial break. When we come back. Hey, I got a

little something for you guys. Web pages and things that

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So I want to get into

this one. Do you remember when do you remember the

kid who made the fake parking tickets?

Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and with the fake city logo, but they were.

Speaker 2: Right, so he didn't really copyright. But he was just

leaving tickets and people were paying them to them. Yeah, okay, no, no,

and I and I was like, it's pretty brazen for what he did, but it was interesting that it worked and people were paying it. They were going to his

website and paying them. And think he had automatic pay

or something like that on too. I don't know all

the things he did he was right. I'm just saying, hey, man,

he got he made it into the news, right, all right, So imagine there's something along that line that's very close to that, but it's legal. Give me this one.

Speaker 3: I want to know. I want to know.

Speaker 2: So there is a web page that has been made for it kind of looks like the d m V page, but it's for reregistering your vehicle and stuff like that.

And it looks like when you go to it looks like you're kind of going to like DMV's page, but it's not. It's a secondary company who will retitle your car,

reregister your car, and they charge a fee for doing it, and you just and it just gives you the total of what the fees are at the bottom and you just.

Speaker 3: Pay it off in the service to pay your bill for it. You don't.

Speaker 2: You don't unless you if you're not really true, if you if you're like a lot of people. It's like,

I just need a new registation my car. You click

on yes, here's my car registration. It says, okay, total

to redo it as X amount of dollars. You just

throw your credit card and you go about your day.

You make a lot of money. Right, Well, this exists,

and it's not legal because he actually partnered up with DMV and he he's done. I mean, if you look

at it, it's a little shit. It's like, eh, there

is a disclaimer and it says it's not DMV, but it's designed to look like DMV. And then, like I said,

you don't know, there's the extra charges and stuff like that.

You get to the end and you'd have to look at the the way they build you out for what the fees were. But if you just look at the

total and run your credit card through and now you don't have to worry about it because you're just done with it, well, then maybe they made twenty or thirty dollars for doing it for you per transaction of per car.

Speaker 3: That's like they should have like a disclaimer before you made the purchase.

Speaker 2: There's little stuff on there that is a disclaimer on the website that kind of you know, if you're really looking for it to lose the effect that this is a secondary service. Actually I think it's third party actually

is what it is.

Speaker 3: But you'd think it's just saying that we're claiming.

Speaker 2: Because they feel like they've been scammed, they're like, well, I thought I was at DMV and I didn't know I was paying those extra fees, and it's like, well, it is on the website that says, we're not. And

these are a districts, very very.

Speaker 3: Fine print if you magnimized.

Speaker 2: Right, but here's here's so here's the thing though, like I thought about it, I went oky, I understand why people upset, But then I was like clever, I mean, yeah, it's just another one of those things where you it's right on that gray area where you know, like I guess i'd like.

Speaker 3: But it's a little different if it's like the first search result and its.

Speaker 2: Top of Google. But it is a little yeah, but

here's you know, anybody can do that. You know, how

to get to the top of Google page. It's the

more people click on it, the more activity, that's what gets you the top of the Beagle's page. So you've

done all the work to get to the top of it.

Speaker 3: Not just that, but yeah, but it's also like you know, like it's also like sometimes Google's responsibility to kind of show.

Speaker 2: You the most.

Speaker 3: They're not you're a guy that believes everything on the Internet.

But it's like when you like search for a result, you're looking for the most. It's almost like when you

like look for an information, right, you're looking for the correct information, not just for someone that pushed the false information to the top. I read it on the internet.

I'm taking it with a grasp of information.

Speaker 2: Okay, well I have I have a friend that I had a business right and every day that was part of his morning room team. Is he went to like

six different computers, not all because if you just do it inside your house off of the IP address, it doesn't That's not the way the algorithm works. So he

go to six different computers every single day and log into his website off of those computers, which in a year's time moved him from like way down to the top of Google's page. He just did it. He made

sure he stopped in. He used to stop in my office,

like you buy I bar your computer real quick and you click on it going too this page of the commuity, He's like, all R, I'll see you later. And he

would do it. But he did it regularly and it

worked because that's the way the algorithm works. So I mean,

if they did their due diligence and they made that work.

Speaker 3: And then way you used to get paid for clicks on your website, Yeah.

Speaker 2: I didn't like that service. I thought it was the

one I used to have. Companies all back and they

call me, oh, we could move you to the top, and you know, you pay us per click and then they just design a bot that just clicks on your stuff and just charge your right, That's exactly what they do is And I knew that, and I was like, no, I'm not I'm not doing it, and they are, You've reached nine and they're like, nine thousand people visits your website this month. And I'm like and they're like, and

fifty five people took you down your telephone number off the website and I'm like, I'm funny because the phone didn't ring, like like there was nine thousand people that went.

Speaker 3: To it, fifty five people, right, right.

Speaker 2: But I just I didn't believe in all those services, so to create something like that and it's working, like I said, I guess it's gray area, right, but it's like we know, like I use title services forever, like and a lot of those have gone away, Like I hate it going to DMV and having a mess with stuff I just called a service, And I'm like, look, I need to get these cars titled. Can you just

take care of it for me? Because we constantly had

people that just wouldn't fix their cars and leave the cars behind. We had to get titles.

Speaker 3: But why is the DMV so bad?

Speaker 4: Though they didn't purposely make it that way?

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Speaker 2: They got they have a restaurant and they had like comfortable seating area and stuff.

Speaker 3: Then you say like kids seating areas.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a kid play area and all kinds of stuff. And I was just like, what kind of

d m V am I in? Like I went, I

didn't realize what, Like I know it was DMV because on inside, but you're inside the DMV and I'm like, there's no way this is d MVA bus. But they

had their own little restaurants set up like I said they had they had a little TV room area like that people were watching TV and stuff that you just wait, Like I was like, why can't every d And we were in like like I was there for a long time.

Speaker 4: I was going in this somewhere and Nate and I was like, they have they have a casino in near too Vegas.

Speaker 2: But no, I mean, like I think you could completely revamp the DMV system and make it fun, not fun, but more enjoyable. I just feel like people get a

job at d m V and they go, now it's my turn to just be mean to everybody, you know.

I mean, like, I look, if you work for DMB and I insulted you, I'm sorry, but I just every time I go to DMB that they're just not the nicest people there, Like they're just they act like they're like, you know, look they got like a god complex. And

I'm like, you were a hall monitor in elementary school.

I know you were, I want to say, but you don't want to say. But I'm thinking, like you're the

first thing.

Speaker 3: I could never gave power to, like a bingo game, Like think about it.

Speaker 4: He gave you a number, you know, and that and then like at like let's say you come two hours later.

Your scorecard is for the numbers that came two hours before you.

Speaker 2: But what if you're number never gets called? Right, He's like,

I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3: No, you just don't know.

Speaker 2: I didn't think. I think you should some type of

activity or something to do. If I got to sit

there at D and V for a while, there should be something like keeps me entertained. Bingo would be a

good idea.

Speaker 3: McDonald's playpen for adults.

Speaker 2: I think you could read VAMP like you you guys, if you go back on the shows you're listening to me complain that when d m V was appointment only during COVID, you can only do appointment only thing, and it was the biggest nightmare. And how I got around

two cars I could I could not seem to get scored.

Speaker 4: How I got around that to get around it is because most people don't know that certain it DMV Express.

Speaker 2: Centers within the city. And even though it's.

Speaker 4: Even though it's called a DMV Express center, some DMV Express centers can have full access.

Speaker 3: It's like a regular DMV.

Speaker 2: So there's a couple there. Used there used to be

a really good hitded one here in our town. Uh,

that was over in the courthouse, and a lot of people didn't know. It's just tiny. I think only one

person worked there and no one really knew about it, except I'm sure maybe more people knew about that, I thought.

But I could tell you that you could go there and there might be one person standing there and.

Speaker 3: That was it, and you didn't have to make appointments.

Speaker 2: At some point time the word got out. No, you didn't.

At some point time the word got out. And then

I sent a friend there and he's like, man, I went there. There was a line. I was like, oh,

the words out. People know it's there now, Like.

Speaker 3: Well, how come you can go to your local library to register your car?

Speaker 4: Some states, some states so like North Carolina, you don't go to DMV to renew.

Speaker 3: You go to a dealership. Yeah, dealership, dealership renews your registration.

Speaker 2: What if I got a car from the dealership.

Speaker 3: And in the dealership ready, yeah, I got like that.

Speaker 2: I don't look it up. Yeah, I'm calling foo bar

on that one. That that I'm just saying, everybody.

Speaker 1: Got like a library.

Speaker 3: That mean kind of easy, like you know, you just resting your car doing the simple thing.

Speaker 2: Well there, okay, so the one here in Chesapeake, it's not bad if you go to the courthouse, like I think the most I've waited at that one is maybe ten minutes as long as I've waited. If that one

and get things done, which is great. Now, it probably

won't be that I said it out loud now, it probably people be there all over the place. But I

know a lot of people know about that one because you know, there's been times I've had to go to the courthouse to go up to the the offices upstairs and I walked through and then maybe there's twenty people standing in the line, but there's no like waiting room.

You just stand in the line and wait, you know, I mean just walk up. There's not like a sit

down area or anything like that. And it works if

you need to do fast stuff, it works out pretty easily. So,

like I said, I think you could revamp, revamp DMV and make a better experience. But if not, I guess

you services like this and let's just charge you a fee and they take care of it all or you don't have to do anything.

Speaker 3: Or like I always like drive through. Drive through be

like amazing experience.

Speaker 2: That would if if you could set it up like Chick fil ay as they are with things.

Speaker 4: So like how how like only our dealerships in Virginia can only issue new tags and everything, or most dealerships in Virginia can't renew tags, but you get your own the du But I'm talking about like how our dealerships are mostly known to only give you the char In North Carolina, you you don't get just new tagged.

Speaker 3: You can go there to renew.

Speaker 4: Your tags if you bought it from them or no anybody.

You can go to North Carolina dealerships to get what.

Speaker 2: What's the incentive in North Carolina dealership give tags from my car? There's no.

Speaker 4: Center line driver license changes you do through a dealer ship.

Speaker 2: You don't through it.

Speaker 4: You can do it through a d m V. But

their dealerships are known as a see DMS so they must.

Speaker 2: So they're an agent somebody that's been training employed withinside the dealership. Most dealership have a tagging title person. That's

what they get paid to do.

Speaker 3: Said it would be cool, Jimmy saying is like all turnative places you can go except the DEMS games. We're

stuck on to d m V or doing it online North Carolina.

Speaker 2: That's I think I can't get everything there. I'm calling

Cap Big Number, sir, right, guys, I'm meant to look into it. I'll tell you, guys, because that just seems

like I had to look dig into it deeper. I

don't know. It's the end of the show. We gotta

get out of here. Hope you guys enjoy your Saturday

Sunday's right around the corner. Hey, don't forget. You have

the big, huge car show over at Virgin Beach Convention Center this weekend. Everybody's gonna be out there. We're gonna

be stopping in as well and checking things out, so you guys might see us out there. Other than that,

have you have a great weekend.

Speaker 3: You guys got anything enjoy week We're out of here, talk to you soon.

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