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one and only chat. How are you my dude?

Hello Maddie. I'm good.

How are you mate? Good man.

I think it's just US 2 tonight. Everyone's overseas, David,

David's overseas, David's overseas, Scotty's overseas, Alan's still at work, Edward's, Edward's got a got a family thing on or something. So it's just you and me tonight,

mate, You and me. Perfect.

All good man. How you doing bud?

I'm good, man. It has been, yeah.

Pretty chill week so far. Yeah, we.

Went for a nice drive on Sunday, which was good.

Yeah. Still still, Yeah, still buzzing

from it. It was a really good drive.

I really enjoyed it apart from that, yeah, I, yeah, no, it's been, it's been good so far. Didn't do a whole bunch on cars,

et cetera, but I did did do a cat delete on the Sylvia on Saturday. I, I had like a, like a just a

empty cat, you know, shell of a cat basically that I bought and bolted that all in with new gaskets and all that stuff.

Yeah. So the exhaust is basically

fully every part of it is now aftermarket, which is cool, has a pretty main sound, but you know how Sr sound on the on the full load. Nothing special, but you know,

at least it's, you know all. No old 30 year old factory parts

anymore. Which is good, no, but it just

needs a spoolie boy or or what do they call it?

What do they call them online? Wuhan Whistle Boy or.

Wuhan whistle, wall whistle. Wall whistle.

Yeah, one of those bolts to the side of it.

And then, you know, you make all the all the dirtiest noises, which will be good. Maybe we'll maybe one day we'll

get there, yeah. But yes, speak with that, with

that, with that drive. We went on on the weekend.

Yeah, we went to, we went to our favourite roads in the Yarra Valley. Had a bit of fun.

There was some some nice cars came out there.

So you bought the I-30 and I bought the Typhoon.

My brother bought the C63 and a friend of the show he's been on a few times, James bought his XR8 Sprint, which was which was it was a, you know, good collection of cars.

Sports today, on Sunday, we we should call it.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, it was, it was so

interesting to see like they're all different.

You know, one's A6 cylinder, 2 AV 8's, 3A manual 1's A, you know, one's an order, one's A4 cylinder.

You know, 2A turbocharged, one's supercharged, one's naturally aspirated. Yeah, they, they're just so

different, all of them. And it was really cool to see

them, you know, battling up the, the hills and, and having a bit of fun. That was, it was a, it was a lot

of fun. I, I actually surprised myself

with the typhoon. It was, it went around corners.

Not too bad. Yeah, you know, for such a big

car, it it definitely hard to hold its own.

Like think you've got some pretty decent ties on it as well, like street tread stuff. But yeah, man, I mean, I was

behind you and yeah, you were, you were gone.

You were it. It's a surprising car for sure.

In corners, yeah, I know how fast they are in a straight line. Obviously it's.

Interesting you say that because like, you know, I did, I did put good tyres on it recently and and I've upgraded the bushings and, and, and a few other bits and pieces.

But you know, in a straight line, I wasn't losing you at all, Chad, Like, you know, I think zero to 100, they're virtually identical really. Like they're, they're very

close. Yeah.

I mean, yes, it's got more power than your car, but the, you know, the weight comes into play there.

Yeah. So it's just like, So what are

you like booting on the straights?

You were, you were right there. Like you.

I wasn't, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't leaving you.

Which is which shows that I think that those I30 ends are underpowered from under. Not underpowered under.

What was the word they say when they're when they're not, you know, underrated from factory because like.

It's underrated and under appreciated.

Maybe, yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a quick it's I

think. I think they're they're telling

some porky pies with with those with those figures because it's a generally a fast car, like it's a quick car.

Yeah. And we're.

Going to say it's not. Pretty hard to.

And, you know, and obviously within reason.

Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, it was, you know, it was, it was good fun.

Well, we left the other two guys for dead, to be fair.

Yeah, I, I thought, oops, sorry about that.

It was the external speaker that ran out of battery.

Yeah. I, yeah, I don't think the other

two guys were going as, as we were.

They're probably having more of a casual Sunday drive.

But yeah, I, I, I even surprised myself a little bit with the idea because I've never really, you know, I don't go too hard on the street just because of all the, you know, risk of obviously first of all safety. But on top of that, just, you

know, like you just got to be sensible and you're not going to, there's other traffic and, you know, think about those etcetera. But I was able to fully plant my

right foot through a corner. And I'm going to tell you that

like ELSD is doing a lot of lot of hard work, a lot of lifting, but it is just, yeah, it just pulls you out and you just point it where you want it pulls you out and it makes a hell of a sound doing that too, which was which was cool.

Also like yeah frontal drives with an LSD are severely underrated. How good they are Like like

it's. It's.

It's witchcraft is what that is like.

It's crazy how how they work so well.

You know, I, I thought frontal drives were were right until I hopped into a, you know, drove my Fiesta St up and up and down those heels. I was like, my God, it just you

just plane your foot out of a corner and it just pulls you straight out, pulls, pulls you straight out the other way.

So it was, you know, really, really, you know, incredible to see, especially, especially with your car as well.

It's a it's, it's an absolute, it's a little, it's a little base like it mechanically it's, you know, people say, oh, you know, it's a cheaper type R and I get it.

I see why it's, you know, it's if you're after a car that's better value than a type R and it's does 99% of what a type R can do, It's an, you know, Elantra NI 30 N sedan.

So a. 100% yeah. I'd love to see how it, I mean,

I'm sure it's going to be some ways away from a typo, like performance of a typo, but I'd love to see the comparison, you know, even though a lap comparison on the same track.

I mean, I'm sure that exists, you know, for Nurburgring and all that stuff, but more of a basic place.

Might even be, you know, a better comparison because not everyone's gonna go drive to know about Ring, obviously.

Well, I remember seeing I remember seeing Chad recently, the throttle house did a did a throttle house extra video on the on the update, the facelift Elantra and and it was originally like 1 1/2 or two seconds slower than the than the than the FL 5 on on the on the pre facelift.

And this time it was like within within like 505 hundredths of a second. So so that's.

Pretty. That's surprising, but also,

yeah, very, you know, obviously competitive.

Well, they said that the changes are like, you know, they've they've made little tweaks here and there and you don't feel it, but when you're on the track, it adds up time like it makes time real well. So to full credit to Hyundai,

I'm I'm all aboard the entrain like I think, excuse me, I think what they're doing is a fantastic job and I think they're they're really, really killing and after driving yours, I mean, I think driving yours a short distance, but you know, it is something it is a proper, you know, probably like I've driven other I30 NS. I haven't driven a dual clutch 1

yet, but I've I've driven you know, I 30 N hatch I30N sedan, both both as a as a man. Well, and you know, they've

they've, but they've both left me saying this.

These are great like cracking cars and, you know, just got off the going hammer and tongue. I mean, yeah, just just for our

listeners, in case you're saying we we were, you know, very, very, you know, we weren't pushing stupidly hard, like just yeah, we're going hard. But like, you know, within

reason, obviously, you know, in, in, in, in LA and safe and all that. But the, the yeah, it was just,

it was so cool to see two different cars from from, you know, 2020 years difference really, you know, 04 to like a like a what's yours in O2. Sorry, a 22 or 2322 yeah, like,

you know, 18, let's just say 18 years difference.

And, you know, one would be considered a a cheap and vertical is a cheaper car too, you know, back to back.

And if though, if time was to, to, to play it and you know, there's, they're very, very much, you know, be right there with him. So I was, I was super impressed.

I, I thought that was, I thought your car was unbelievable.

I'm like, this is a cracking little cracking car.

And it just looked so composed on those roads.

So you know, and, and if, if you all, if you all think a front wheel drive car is is is not a sports car, just get behind the wheel of a really good front wheel drive car.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, and they'll change your

mind like a genuinely good for wheel drive car, like, you know, you know, the civic type R Fiesta St.

You know, I 30 N that that's got a real good diff.

You know, even like I'm a gun like Rs and stuff like something a really genuinely good front wheel drive, you know, car and it'll it'll be like, well, actually, you know, I'll take it all back. I'll take it.

I'll take everything back. I've said, you know, because

they are generally magic to drive when they're when they're when they're that dialled. Yeah, they're they're brilliant.

Yeah, no, I was, I was probably impressed with the car.

I think it's really come to its own, especially like where we drive it, you know, sometimes you can get lost in just driving it day to day of, you know, in mundane traffic and stuff.

And it kind of, it can feel a bit underwhelming, like why do I have this car just to sit in traffic?

But when you take it on those like, you know, special drives, I really, I think it, it makes it all worth it. 100% Yeah.

I'm, I'm, I'm stoked. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's kind of like a complete Jekyll and hide of what, what you'd expect, like you'd expect, you know, just it's coming. It's a bit boring in the day on

the daily commute, but then you get on a grow, you're like, Oh my God, the car comes alive. You know, that is, it is one of

the IT is one of it's one of the the weirdest things about being a, being a being a car and like knowing what your car is capable of and knowing that you've got a car that can, that can actually do those things. You know, as I've always said,

like a good set of tyres goes a long way and that wakes the chassis up more than anything for me.

And you can see what you know, you know, what the engineers have have done behind the car. So, yeah, that was cracking to

see. I, I really, I really enjoyed

it. I thought it was a great day.

You know, we, we, we obviously dropping in Healesville some places and when we stopped for the pub for lunch, my, my breaks were on fire. It was hilarious.

But no, it was, it was, it was good.

It was good. And I was actually, you know, I

felt like this is the first time in a long time I've taken a typhoon on those roads. And I was just like, Oh yeah, I

forgot how good this car was. Like, you know, it's a, it's a,

it's not a race car. It's not a, it's not a, you

know, it's not a sports car. It's a, it's a very good, it's a

very good Rd car. Yeah.

You know, it's got a great, it's got a really good chassis for what it is for, for its, it's for its size.

It's great turns in really well. You know, the last few times

I've taken a lot smaller cars through there.

And, and yes, it did feel big down those roads.

But I'm like, you know what? It's it wasn't as big as I

thought it was, you know, gonna feel like, you know, and it held its own. I thought, I thought, did you

know, I thought it did remarkably, remarkably well considering, considering its size.

But yeah, it's, it always surprised me when I get that car on a good road. And, and you know, and, and the

good thing about that car is too, you can plant your foot early in the corner before before you, you ate before you, you you'd be normal normally ready to exit the corner because it gives, it gives like that half a second before the turbo spools. You're like, all right, let's

go. Yeah, yeah.

So by the time you're out of the corner, you're on full boost, which which I, I kind of like it.

It makes it a bit more exciting to drive.

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Makes it makes it feel alive. And dude, it was, it was really

good to get that car out again and, and have a good drive with it. Now that it's all sorted, the

you know, it's got a new clutch, you know, no more, no more remain leaks or anything. It's the first time I've

actually driven it properly. You know, I've taken it for a

good drive since I've since I've done all the suspension work and, and, and, you know, and it will have you in it and it felt magic. It felt really good.

I, I couldn't, I couldn't get over how good it felt.

And I just like, I felt like I could have pushed it even harder, but I'm like, I don't really want to do that.

So so it was, it was, it was good.

And yeah, I, I thought thoroughly enjoyed it, but the, I think, I think the the loudest car there though was definitely the C63. Oh my God, can we just talk

about how ridiculous of a sound that makes?

I mean, your brother was saying like it it basically just, you know, aftermarket catalytic converters and that's about it.

And. That's.

What's going on this the the sound is just I can't believe I can't can make that sound. It's ridiculous in any, like

even behind you, you think it's in front of you.

Like it's how like just, you know how much grunt it produces.

It was, yeah, it was I'm, I was really.

We enjoyed being behind it for a little while as we're driving back to Hillsville because, Oh my God, the sound was Yeah, otherwise. It's it's a noise where you just

it's just it's one of the best sound.

I think it's probably the the best sounding V8 I've ever heard like it'll. Be I'm going to agree with you.

I mean, yeah, I can't get over it.

I just wanted him to keep keep his foot down the whole time.

We're joined by Alan, actually. By the way.

Alan, how you doing man? Not well, I've managed to get

sick again and so I'm not at the station.

I blame my Co workers. So, you know, just just chill

and stay alive. Oh man, just take it, take it

easy. You're doing this at the right

time because we're talking about C60 threes, which you're you're a fan of. I am a huge fan of yes.

And that engine in particular is it's, it's actually a masterpiece. Like it's so good.

It is such a good engine the, the way it Revs, but the, the amount of torque it's got. Like it's, it's, it's like, why

can't all engines be be this naturally aspirated engines this good? You know, plenty of grunt down

low, plenty of grunt up high. You know, it's very torquy, but

Revs to like 8 grand. You know, it's just, it's a, you

know, well, I mean, I get it. It's, it's actually built as a

racing engine. Like it's, it's, it's, it's,

that's what it's meant to do. And in a, in a, in a C Class,

it's ridiculous. So I, I, yeah, that engine is in

got to be for me in one of the all time great engines, which is something I want to talk to you guys about our all time favourite engines as we as we're getting on with the show.

But yeah, it's the noise it makes like it was next to a, you know, inverter Commons loud car in the in the Sprint, the XR8 Sprint, which is, you know, like great sounding engine as well with a supercharger. And it was nowhere near as loud

as the as the C63 like the CCD was just like ridiculously loud and it's a factory exhaust except for some cats.

So yeah, quite an impressive car that the Sprint.

I am a big fan of those. I think they you know, it's AI

think it's a good looking car. Rare, very rare car.

And if you had to put them all in Australia and that'd be the quickest car out of the out of the lot.

But again, you know, it, it just in terms of that, in terms of that noise, it just, it just didn't have the oral effect that the that that that AMG had, which was just, which was something just insane. My car was the quietest car of

the bunch. You couldn't even hear my car.

Which is which is it really? Wasn't it drowned out a little

bit? Yeah.

But, but look, overall, it was a, it was a, you know, a cracking day. We'd love to, I would have loved

to have like swapped, swapped cars and just, and just, you know, just taken each one up and down and, and, and, and, you know, if you gave give them a feel of, of what, of what they're like. So it'd be nice to, to do it

back to back. But yeah, what we had a, we had

a sports sedan Sunday event and we'll have to do, we'll have to do that. We'll have to bring all those

sports sedans out again. That'll be, that'll be good fun.

Alan, you are unwell, my friend. Yes, just a little.

And I was sick leave, so. So you've always got to work.

Yeah. OK.

Yeah, yeah, unfortunately I'm using my sick leave as quick as I'm earning it. So it's, it's just one of those

situations. But that's right.

I I hold my own at work, you know, so you know, I manage.

Unfortunately COVID. Or is it just a run of the mill

sort of thing? Well, I'm sure like from my past

of having COVID, it definitely doesn't feel like COVID, like I've really had it once. So maybe it's different the

second time around, but I think it's just a run of the mill kind of cough cold. Yeah, just we we're doing like a

round Robin of like person A gives it to person B.

And by the time person A gets better, person C gives it to person A like a different one. And by the time, you know,

presidency gets better person B, he's getting it to person C.

And it's, it's a whole. It's evolving as well, every

time. So there's a couple different

ones running so you know could be better.

It could definitely be better. I am sad to have missed out on

the the drive date. Sounds like you guys had a lot

of fun. No, it was a good day.

We we were just mentioning earlier it was, yeah, it was nice to me catching up, just just catching up in general was was really, really good to have a beer and have a catch up with.

So that was that was that was cool.

I may have missed this in the in the car updates but we we got some news about the XR8 and it's a little rattles.

Yes, yes, so, so I think Chad, were you done with updates or you still got any more things to?

Yeah. No, that was pretty much I just

did some work on the Sylvia and that was all this weekend.

Yeah. Updates with me.

So today the XR8 went in to get its transpan leak fixed because it was just it was just weeping. Just the old gasket was was was

pretty harm and so easy. Just a gasket and a philtre kit

and a new fluid in that and that's perfect.

Now it wasn't affecting the car anyway.

It was just just, you know, a bit of a weep new ties on that as well. So it had these old, you know,

10 or 11 year old candids on there that you had absolutely 0 grip. Like you could put your foot

down and just and just start LS ING, which was which was which was fun, but you would not go anywhere.

So my Thai guy said, oh, I've got a couple options.

It's actually kind of a rare size.

The 16th on that car with the shark fins.

He he's like he's like, and because they're rare size, I'm like, let me guess, they're gonna be expensive.

He's like absolutely. I'm so he then was was, you

know, gave me a few options. You know, he was gave us some

kumos for 145 bucks a pop or next.

The next step up is RE double O3, which is like 240 bucks a pop and I'm like, it doesn't get driven that much to to warrant RE double O threes. So I just put on the kumos.

And and they're good and then like you know, I've had kumos before and then, you know, they're they're fine.

So Kumos on. Like can you check out that,

that, that rattle? And he's like, yes, no worries.

I'm like, I'm like my mate's telling me it's an engine knock.

So it. Turns out there was worries.

No, it's so they put up they're like that car's fine.

The left hand side cat converter has got has broken.

It's just rattling all inside. So he's like you got two

options. Option 1 you repair it, but it's

like good luck finding one that good luck finding a a, a new one that they're very hard to get. You might have to get like a

generic one. Option 2.

I think you know what option 2 is and I can't legally tell you what option 2 is, but you know what option 2 is.

So I'm debating. I want to see if I can.

You gave me a few places to call because I tried to get one through work and my source. I can get the whole exhaust

system except the cats, which is weird.

So I can get extracted. I can get everything for it

except the bloody cats. So I'm going to try a couple of

sources that he recommended and I'll find out tomorrow if I can get on. If not, it's going to go the

option B, which if you're a car enthusiast, you know what that means. So it'll come over to Chads

place that's. So EPA, what he means is the

power just sit there and it will never get driven is what it means not not definitely not that it will get bashed out and removed or anything of that nature.

Not at all. So you can't even get just a

generic cat and then get it like, you know, get some plan just put on the ends and while it into place, it's not I.

Can't that is, that is the other option as well, you know, but is it really worth doing that in terms of, in terms like a factory, you know, factory exhaust?

Like mum was even toying with the idea of putting, you know, putting like a like a nice stainless steel system on it 'cause it's really, it's got a lovely verbal and that'll just make it like real nice, you know, and it's, it's a cruiser.

It's not a performance car. But even when you're putting

around, you just hear like that, that, you know, lovely old lazy V8 and you love an old V8. They only they just think it's

got a nice verbal. So see that era you.

Know oh great, it's a great, great era, slow car, but great era and look, it's not it's not terribly so it's still it keeps up fine today that you know, it's but it's it's definitely not, you know, you put it next to like a, let's say ABA X6 toe and an X6 toe is going to, you know, walk his doors off.

But that's not what that car's about, you know, so I had a good look under underneath it today on on when I was on the hoist.

My God, that car's clean like it's, you know, there's there's really no oil leaks anywhere. All the bushes are done all new,

you know, Monroe suspension in it.

It's it's been looked after. It's it's been, it's been well,

you know, well, well looked after.

It's got a polyurethane bushes. So actually it's quite a tight

car to drive. I don't know if you noticed that

when you drove out on but it's it is quite tight.

Yeah, for, for the, for the age, certainly like when I took it did a couple of U turns, I was making sure I was warming it up nicely. Yeah, it was not, I guess,

flopping around like you'd expect a car of its age to.

Yeah. And it was surprisingly tight.

And yeah, I want to get that done.

And I know it's got a bit of an ABS issue that comes up, comes up. Yeah, that there is an ABS

light. Yeah, so, so when that goes back

to get the exhaust, if I if you know, get get it put in or if it you know, I'll just say, hey, can you just check that out?

I think it's a sensor and it's and it's and it's pre Abd 2 because it's a 95. So it's an I think it's an Abd

1. So I don't have a, you know, an

adapter to, to see which, which, you know, which, which ABS sensor it is that's causing it to play up.

I think I've got my suspicion from from what I read online, it's usually, you know, it's usually one of the front ones that play up first. But yeah, that's, I'm not a, I'm

not a mechanic that can, can figure that out.

So, so when that goes back in, that'll, that'll get sorted.

But yeah, driving really, really well.

Ties, Oh my God, ties make a difference.

Like I mentioned it earlier, they're just, it's just, and these aren't, these aren't like high end ties, like they're, they're just Kumos, but you know, they're, they're a decent Kumo great. Like just, you know, I planted

my foot and it didn't, it didn't LS it just just hooked up and went and I was like, great. So, so yeah, that that's been,

that's been good. And it makes sense as to why the

why I was running a little bit rough.

The old, the old XR, right, Because, you know, if the cat's reading poorly, it's just going to over fuel and fill out the plugs. So I've given it a real time.

You know, mom's driven it the last, you know, week.

She's driven everyday. I was, I was complaining to her.

I said Sharon, we used I filled up 20 bucks last time, Boss man filled up 20 bucks this time. I'm like, Matt's gone and taken

it and driven it and then like left it on the fuel light being on. Like if that ain't the Matt

thing to do. Mate I'm surprised the fuel

light is accurate like I thought for car that age it would have like you know it isn't something being it'll be hard to trust you know what I mean Chad. The fuel light is on now and

it's it's saying that it's got it's saying that it's got 35 KS left on of range. I don't know how accurate that

is and I don't think I want to find out.

So as soon as I'm looking I'm going to go put a fuel in it so that that is my first job. You know, when I when I, when I

get home, I'm sorry when I'm when I'm on my way home, but.

Otherwise, Maddie, you know I'm not coming to to to billion stuff because I'm sick. If I wasn't sick, it'd be a

different story of people than happy to bail her me out.

But. I know you wouldn't be that, but

so that's that. What else is up with me?

Steph's laser Stephen, Pam like me and my housemates, they're laser the it's due. Well, I don't know when it's due

for time, but because it's the car's only done 120,000 KS, but the time belt looked not too bad when we inspected it previously.

But I just don't want to take the risk.

You know, if it snaps the motor's, the motor's going to pop. Well, you know, it'll hit valves

and all sorts of mischief. So I've ordered a kit for that.

It's due for a service anyway, so that's going to go in next week to get to get done that. Is that what else?

I think that's pretty much it on my car.

Updates, Gentlemen, Alan, your updates.

As I said before, yeah, nothing, nothing to report.

Yeah, just just driving the D Max.

Unfortunately, I, I was going to bring the STI out to Sunday, but obviously my cousin came from Canada to visit her and I had to. I was happy to see her.

You know, it's been quite a few years, so, you know, it's good to see. But it wasn't unfortunate that I

fell on the same day as, you know, our drive day.

So yeah nothing, nothing to big on my front.

I was going to say comment on the the cat situation with the XR8 is my E gas Falcon. I think we went through if you

include the original we went through 4 cats on that car.

What? Do you have OH?

Yeah. Was it an issue with those cars

or what's? Going on, I think so the

mechanic at the time he advised he's like, look, you can get a used cap that might not be a bad idea.

And I was like, how much is a used one?

I think it was like a minor difference between pricing between a used one and a new one.

And I was like, well, I'll just get a new item because you know, it's new there's warranty, you know, you're sorted, but the new ones were just were not made to the same quality.

So I think 1, I had died within a year and a bit.

That one was, you know, at least replaced under warranty, thankfully, but I still have to pay the labour because, you know, they didn't pay that. And then the second one and then

the, you know, the next one when it died again, this was after two years at least lasted more than two.

But yeah, and replace the end. And then obviously Ed took it

and he quickly moved it along. So I don't know if the new

owners at this point, you know, replace the cat.

If they have the. Cat.

Yeah, he's just, Yeah, I, I feel, yeah, you really can't trust, I guess, especially when you're dealing with the biggest thing about the cat is rare metals like the the person that's manufacturing and aftermarket, I guess replacement that claims to be OEM spec. A lot of times maybe you know,

they're probably, you know, foregoing the same amount of kind of, you know, metals that they probably should be using in the cat, hence the premature failures.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm just happy we don't

have, you know, the the level of cat theft that, you know, they're suffering the states. Well, well, Speaking of that,

you know, a lady I work, I don't know if I mentioned on the show before, but a lady who used to work with she she she moved on last year, 24 different school at the end of last year.

But you know, a good friend of mine, lovely lady.

She she's got this old, old super Outback with like a Brazilian KS on it. Anyway, she's coming to work and

and and and so she gets to work and she's like Matt can can you come see my car? It's it's really loud.

I don't know what's wrong with it and I'm like oh, what happened? She's like, I don't know.

I just, I was just driving and all of a sudden got really loud.

So I go have a look underneath the car.

Well, I started a car first when I was like it sounded like a WRX. I was like what the hell?

So then I poked my head under the car and someone had started cutting the cat off and there must have been spooked or something. So basically she, she's like, I,

I heard something last night. I walked out the door and and

then I just, I just, I heard people just run.

But she's like, I was assuming they were from, you know, something else. So, so she spooked them and they

were like halfway through cutting it.

And, and when she's, and when she's gotten, you know, when she's started to drive it, you know, being, being already like, you know, semi cut the they just, it just fell apart.

So she's like, I've got to, I've got to now, you know, drive this home. And I'm like, you're not going

to drive home because it was like scraping on the floor.

So we had to call a tow truck. I felt so bad.

And she had to get it all welded up again.

She's like, who the hell still exhausts?

And I'm like, man, this thing for the rare metal.

Really you knew. Really knew you knew.

Dude, it is a thing. It is a thing here.

Yeah. Have you seen what the people do

in the States? They're like, they put barbed

wire on them and stuff now, like this, Like, like, like that's far out, you know? And this would you have to be

for like 100 bucks. Like seriously?

I think the main benefit we've got here is obviously we do have a large proportion of lifted or higher up vehicles like ranges and and Hiluxes these days, but thankfully they don't have cats because of diesels. We could have a DPF stealing

business, but we don't because people are trying to delete their DPS most of the time. And that was really interesting,

buying a DPF most of the time, you know, if you're.

Gonna roll call problem. Yeah, if you're gonna roll call

and block it, you're probably gonna be like, well, tune it out at this point. I don't want, I don't want

another one. So you know, a lot of our cars,

thankfully, you know, a still, I guess, reasonably sized way to get under it. You need to either be, you know,

an anorexic person or, you know, you need to Jack it up.

So because you don't, you know, you don't have that ability of just rolling into the car. I think our levels of theft are

probably a bit lower. Whereas when you look at, you

know, most of the American truck cars, it's very easy to just get under them and you know, you got the Sawzall and then bam, bam, you know, what is it? Where, ma'am?

Thank you, ma'am, I think they say.

America so like you're really happy in there when you're able to just quickly go underneath to steal a cat off yeah.

Have you seen the one where that guy was trying to steal a cat in there and they just he he he put the he turned the Jack on him so that the Jack that the car just started to squash him.

He's gonna be seen that. No, no.

Yeah, sounds like I was stealing his cat.

So the guy just comes up up to his Jack where he's just checked the car up and just, you know, just turned it so that it loaded on him. He's like, I can't get out.

I can't get. He's like, yeah, you shouldn't

be stealing a cat. So then he called the cops and

cops came and arrested him. So yeah, that was.

That's a hell of a citizen's arrest.

Yeah, I feel like that's bordering on vehicular homicide.

So yeah, yeah, he probably. But you know, it's one of those

states that they don't have like or they have.

Like the standard ground laws or?

Whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, I. Was like, oh, standard, my

ground. It's like the guy was under the

car. This is a gear.

He was under my ground, my car. It's like it's like that guy in

in it was it was it not Tennessee or or or Tampa?

I think Tampa, FL. If they come into your house,

please shoot them like we support you.

I'm like wow. Yeah, and you got a lot of Halo

mentality. But you know what, like, I don't

think anyone's still in his county, that's for sure.

But but yeah, it's, it's interesting to see, you know, the rise of, of, of thefts and yeah, especially like that considering like, like how much is a cat?

Like how much? How much is a cat you'll cut to

buy on like 300? Bucks yeah Three, 5400.

Come on. Like, really?

Yeah, I wouldn't. Like, it's not no money at all,

but it's, it's not the kind of money I'd start committing felonies for. Yeah.

Yeah. Like actually, excuse me for

having standards. Like, you know, I always think,

like, if I'm going to risk going to gaol, it better be worth it.

Yeah. You know, like the whole like

petty theft and that kind of stuff.

I'm like, I don't know why people do it.

You know, obviously I don't understand everyone's circumstances, but at least make it worth your while.

Maybe these people are, if you cumulatively add how many cats they've stolen, you know, they've they've made a good chunk of change, but. You got to think too though,

right? Like like when, when they rock

up to, to the metal collection place, do you got, you got to say like, like as a, as a person there?

Like that's just like, Oh yeah, you've got 400 cats in the booty car. Wonder where you're getting

them? From wonder where you get them

from Very, very legitimate business essential, I assume at first like yes and like, well, just put it there, you know, all at your end. All that, yeah.

It's. Going to be weird.

I'm sure people are doing all sorts of things like, you know, taking to here to or to to to another place, just like trying to spread it out so it doesn't raise a flag.

But also maybe they like register them, register, I don't know, car wrecking business or something.

And they're like, yeah, it's just what I do.

Yeah, like around my workplace, there were a lot of what appear to be unscrupulous car wreckers. You know, I'm sure some of them

would probably not ask the question that they probably should be asking about catalytic converters, especially when you roll up with a truckload from, you know, it's it's, it's probably, again, there has to be, I guess, people in all parts of the the chain to allow this to kind of flourish otherwise.

Yeah, but. But having said that, though, it

happens even legitimately like I had a mate of mine and he, he had a lot of cars and, and he was in just buying and selling cars and, and I hopped into his car once it was like I hopped into his 33 GTR, this is years ago.

And he had a kid probably 150 bottles of, of injector cleaner in the car. And I'm like, like, why?

What is this? And, and, and he's like, I've

been going into all the, all, the, all the auto barns because they've, they've got, they had a $2.00 injector cleaner sales.

I was putting in all the cars and just just going around.

I'm like, so you spent all day driving around in GDR picking up injector cleaner. Well, it wasn't 150 bucks.

It's probably, it's probably like, you know, under 100, but like it was a lot of bottles and like that's.

Still a lot of bottles for like, you know, an individual.

Yeah, I wonder what he was gonna like, try and do with them.

Oh dude. Because we wait till the

clearance was over, then he's gonna start selling himself for $10 a bottle it. Was a COVID toilet paper tack.

Yeah. Oh, dude, I, I, when we used to

do like dollar air fresheners, you know, dollar, you know, the, the tree one, the what they call the pine tree, you know that brain or the tree brand. Little trees, yeah.

And, and every time we had the dollar ones on, this lady would come from the servo and she would buy, she'd buy them all like she'd buy everything we everything we had.

And I'm like, why? She sure got cheaper to buy it

through you than it's my supplier.

I'll sell them for, you know, 5 bucks each at the at the server you're selling me for for a dollar each and I'm like far out like and no shame about it. She's like, yeah, I don't care.

You dropped you know, let's say 600 bucks on on, you know, 600, you know, air fresheners. I'm gonna sell them for 5 bucks

each other but yeah because. That'll make her $3000.

Like that's, I don't know, it'll take some time, but obviously you know, she's gone through them enough that it's it's worthwhile it. All comes back.

Yeah, yeah. Also imagine the smell of the

car that you put 600 air fresheners.

They all RIP at all different. Probably does Oh my God like

different flavours? I can't look if it's open

properly, which barely anyone does for some reason.

We just supposed to snip the top and just have that a little bit peekier and then pull it out as the swell fades.

I can. I actually enjoy them, they're

fine and my brother in law has the habit of just pulling the whole thing out and it's sticking in the car and.

Yeah, I'm one of those people too.

I just had it like I can't be bother dealing with that.

I just take it. Out he had it in the D Max as he

picked me up from the airport last year and it was right near my head like he was in the he put in the back because you know he was I'm like is the is the spell too strong, Sir?

They had to put in the back because probably means you're doing something wrong, you know, But so I'm like getting a headache just and it's like 15 minutes in the car, not even, I'm not getting a headache and I'm like, what the Hell's going on? Like I was or I get off the

plane, you know, I don't think I caught something this quickly.

And I'm just like, it's like a bloody like chemically, you think I'm looking up. I'm like my God, like so you

took the whole tree out and you put it right, you know, and he's like, So what? I'm like, So what?

Yeah. It's just, you know, the

disrespect. For that Lady, a fair hustle

because like, you know, she's, she hustled, she hustled us for, you know, you know, all of our things made good money, you know, honest money because she paid for it, you know, and then she's just, you know, I hated her because I had to like count each one individually and scan it.

That was you. Know you should like a bit of

deal with be like, look, when they're all special, we'll give you a message. We'll keep a box.

Just buy the box please. She but the worst, the worst

part about it was like she'd come during like peak on a Saturday afternoon and I'm like come like because the sales finished on a Sunday from memory.

And either Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon when we when we were getting smashed and then the busiest days, she'd rock up like and just just just start taking them.

Like she wouldn't even like look at it.

She just just pulled her pull, pull them all off there like she should have a basket, just pull them off the off the racks into the basket. So maybe she.

Just grabs your display. If you had like a little tree

display, she was like all. Right.

Just. Displease, if you're like, you

can't take that. Yeah.

Oh dude, I'm like. I'm buying 5000.

I'm taking this box too. Well, literally dude.

Like I, I, I'd be like, I'm like, oh, Carla and, and everyone knew, knew how much it annoyed me.

So like Matt's going to be doing, Matt's going to be looking after you. I'm like, I hate you guys.

I hate all of you. So I have to count them all and

scan them because you know, like sometimes the computer would would, you know, shoot itself and then you'd be like, oh, OK, and you got to rescan them all again.

So what I was doing, like, I'm not going to do that this time.

I was going to I'm going to count them all individually and then just scan one but put the quantity.

What do you do? A situation where Matt, each

flavour, we'll call it flavour, each different scent is a different skew, correct? They're, they're they're,

they're all different. Yeah.

So, so that's that's when you got to.

Count the colours individually then yeah. 100% so here I am.

It probably took me 45 minutes to deal with her like like you know, counting them all. The issue was she just pulled

them off the shelf and just straight into the basket.

Like, oh, so she she's messed them all up.

So I don't think. Yeah, I don't know what,

nothing. Oh man, so I'll be, I'll be

like, you know, out of the wholesale.

I don't like you've seen my super cheap boys.

Like when you walk in, there's like a there's like a table on the on the side of the registers, like a like a bench.

And I'd have them all lay down on the bench like all different, you know, flavours, sense whatever they, they are.

And I'd just be. Sexy Whenever people just

started licking the little trees because we call them flavours.

We call it the little tree tent trend or something.

We'll start something new. Don't, don't listen to us.

We're not, we're not endorsing this behaviour.

Don't eat little praise. But if you do, you know, tag us

or TikTok or whatever. Like the stuff like that took

took me forever. But she was, she was always, she

was look, she was always lovely. You know, I didn't have anything

against her except she, you know, busted my balls for a good hour of my day. But anyway, it was good.

Like, I don't know, like, like I'm going to do something that's a little out there, you know, at a store.

Maybe it's because we're millennials.

I don't know. I'd go out of my way to make it

as easy as possible for the, the store person.

Like I'd count how many of each flavour I've got.

Maybe write it down to something.

You assume they're going to take your word for it because, you know, as assuming you're an honest person at least, like I got, you know, 50 of the Blues, I got 100 of the yellows and at least help them out and keep them in their own piles that you could make the transaction as easy for you as it is for them.

You know, like, because it's wasting her time too.

You know, she's obviously a business owner.

Like time is money, but it's alleged.

You would hide, but people are, you know, these.

Are like you're like 304 and something's like, hey, Matt, you know, where are the wipers, these wipers And you're like, oh shit, I lost cat it. Used to happen to me all the

time. Like, oh, I mean, and like if

he's ever put on stock take and then like I'm like midway through batteries or, or, and batteries are always a pain in the ass to do because like they're so heavy.

Like I, I, I, I learned a trick from one of the guys you get, I went and get one of the inspection mirrors and then like you, you extend it, put it all the way behind the shelf and then scan the reflection of the, of the, of the, of the barcode.

It was. Genius it was.

It was a game changer. Anyway, I'd get like distracted

by a customer and then they'd be like, oh, can you hear me with this? I'm like, yeah, cool.

And I was like almost finished. I'm like, oh crap, where where

was I at? I'm not going to start them all

again. So, so yeah, but that's that's,

that's automotive retail for now the.

Finest people. It's it's it's quality.

But anyway, so now talk top tip, if you're going to go in and get a discounted object that you're going that you're choosing to purchase many of, please inform or or write down or or organise the, you know, the, the count, the, the, the amount of objects you have stock that you have. So you one, you can get out

quicker and two, you're not annoying the the the clerk.

Yeah, if if you're doing some kind of hassle where you're buying insane quantity or something, make it as easy on the clerk as possible. That ensures that your

transaction goes through smoothly, and in the future you know they might be willing to help you out.

Respect. Yeah.

Where's our? Workers, yeah, something might

be was here, so they might be willing to keep a box on the back for you, you know, something like that.

But that's only if you go the extra mile and you don't care about them. Yeah, like, but, but also

sometimes like I I get like, yeah, you know, some, sometimes some, some clerks can be, can be, can be, can be horrible to you. Like this one time I was going

to the tip right and I had a trailer load of rubbish in the back of the Forester, like a trailer load and my dad forgot his his ticket, you know, So like, you know, your free ticket pass for the for the tip. So they're like, not you, you

got to go do AU turn and go back and get it.

So like, all right, so we start hanging back.

It's on the fridge. Let's get my sister to take a

photo of it, takes a photo of it, comes back around and they're all individually, you know, and thing he's like, no, I'm not letting you do it. You need to go home and get the

original. And I just looked at him.

I'm like, are you serious, bro? Like, you know, like we're going

to make all the way back. And yeah, he's, it wasn't the

nicest of gentlemen to me. So I was like, Nah.

So I just launched the Forester in the middle of his driveway and it just, yeah, we did a massive U turn and like flew out of there. I'm like, I'm done with this.

Just you can deal with it another day.

So yeah, I, I get people have bad days, but yeah, that wasn't very, very nice to be to A, to an honest customer.

You should have pulled the old year.

I'm pulling the U-10. Just keep driving up.

Yeah, Doctor. Robert doctor Robert should come

back and be like see it was just a long after U turn man.

I should have done that. I was so, so tempted.

I love empty. Oh, dude, But anyway, moving on,

gentlemen, for tonight's topic before we get into the crack quiz. So we mentioned earlier our

favourite engines just because that's because, you know, with the C63 that, that, you know, like I've driven and that, that my brother owns, like that engine is the M156 is a, is a real, you know, real gem of an engine, like masterpiece noise power. Yeah, it's got floors.

Every engine's got a floor, but it's, you know, when you, when you, when you sort them out, they're, they're pretty bulletproof For me. That is one, one of my all time

favourites. And I'm not going to ask you in

terms of all time favourites of what you've seen, but in terms of what you've driven is, is, is the difference this time around.

So if you've driven a car with a, with a really good engine, like 10, that was a good, that was a really, you know, enjoyable thing to drive engine engine wise.

And we're not talking about like chassis wise, we're talking about engine wise. That surprised you?

It was like, that's, that's a damn good thing.

What would you say? Because we all know everyone's

going to say O2JZ, you know, all the, all the God God standard engines, but any of that are surprised?

You said, you know, that was actually really good and it was really, really, really, you know, if you aren't relatively reliable, etcetera, etcetera. So we'll start with you, Alan,

What's been an engine that that you've, you've been, you know what? That was a damn good engine.

And you know, I'd be happy to have another one.

We'll start with the bar of six. Yeah, nice and easy.

I think it was a quintessential Australian engine, you know, big displacement overall, you know, not only Brazil, that's just the six given given what we can compare the European stuff to what they would do with A4 litre, but just a very nice comfortable, you know, engine that doesn't really struggle.

You know, going from like 4 cylinder cars that absolutely, you know, they were fine in terms of fuel economy, that sort of stuff. But you know, if you hold a

group of people, you know. You felt it?

Yeah. Yeah, the whereas the the even

though it's a what is an E gas, it still didn't give a shit.

Like it was, it was like, yeah, all right, we got five people, let's roll, you know? Yeah.

And you know, that's part of how the car was designed, I guess overall that the engine need to be at least powerful enough as a taxi. If you if you fall, just have

that comfortable drive. Like, you know, there's enough

torque to the displacement, just smooth power delivery.

Overall a reasonable sound, nothing special, but just just a very comfortable engine for cruising.

I think Ed experienced it too when he took the Falcon up to Canberra after he bought it. He's like, he just chewed the

miles, you know, if there was nothing in it, like, you know, I drove when I was going to Canberra, I had driven the Suzuki there and the the Falcon. I don't think the Falcon ever

needed to downshift, maybe up one of the hills, but apart from that to maintain 110 and never had a down shift.

Whereas the Suzuki was like overtaking was a, like a slingshot procedure. I used to have to plan, you

know, in once you get to the I think it was the part in the highway or whatever where a single lane with overtaking lanes. I basically used to have to back

off right before the overtaking lane would start off in the Suzuki and then start speeding up so that as I approach the person, I'd be 110, maybe a little bit more and slingshot passed him. Otherwise, if I wait until the

if I wait till the overtaking lane starts, I'm not getting enough to, you know, speed to overtake.

It was where's the Falcon? Just right behind him.

Bam, drops the gear a hundred 10120.

You passed him. You know, and you know, I'm not

saying you should be driving 100 and 10120, but because people in Australia and many countries are assholes that like to, you know, speed up where there's an overtaking lane.

That's what you got to do. You know, so add to that point,

the mechanic today, this lady came in with her daughter to pick up her son's Falcon and the and this thing was beat like it it's had a life. Like I looked at this kind of

like this poor car. It's had a life, you know, it's,

it's been, it's been used and it's been abused.

Anyway, yeah, the the lady's like, so how bad is it?

And he and he's like, look, engine wise, mechanically, this thing will this thing will help leave us.

But you know, everything around, it's pretty hammered.

Like he beat, he beats on this car.

Doesn't she's like, yeah, he beats, he beats the crap out of it. He's like, look, theoretically

needs to get it roadworthy. Like, you know, three to four

grammes worth of work just because it was just everything was just like this thing was beat.

But he's like, it'll keep going. It'll work.

It's you know, it's a Falcon. They're mechanically very

reliable. Just you know, you know

everything around it's you know, won't won't last as long as the engine, but engine wise you're sweet.

And she's like, I don't know why my son keeps buying old, old buddy forwards and he's like, well, there's a reason.

They they just work. Yeah.

So that was quite funny. I was there pissing myself

laughing. Then then his next customer was

was a good was an English guy who with a holding Captiva, it's stretched Tommy trains and he's like, I thought it was a good buy. And everyone's like he's like,

mate, next time you buy a car, just Google it, hold a Captiva.

It'll tell you straight away, do not buy that con cruise.

Do not buy that. So yeah, it was quite funny to

see that the, you know, the old bar of cigs in that in that clapped out, you know, B series Falcon.

It was clapped while it was hammered.

It was still yeah, happy. You know, it's got oil.

It'll be happy. It would just keep going.

So that was quite funny. The boy knows what's good.

Yes, now he knows what's good for him.

It's one way to learn. I mean, like, especially if

you're young, right? You you just buy something that

is just mechanically will be fine, unless you just, you don't know, put dirt in the oil pan and, you know, beat, beat the hell out of it. I'm sorry you scored a bit of

dirt. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, did. You ever see the guy with a?

Bit of red dirt. Did you guys ever see the video

that was guy just put he put a water like a hose full of and filled it a bit. This barrier engine to the top

with water in the in the in the oil cap and just close it and still drive. Is that it?

Was that an IU? No, it was, it was a bit.

I saw the one with an IU without doing shit against like that.

Oh. Yeah, yeah, OK.

Yeah, I remember seeing one. I think he was trying like

different things, like 1 was like vegetable oil and then the other one was like water and then milk.

I saw one recently, garbage time.

He's got like a photon. Are you trying to run that on

Nutella and? The car.

Did seize but but they got to go on again after they clean the hazelnut out of the the main bearings.

That's wild. So, so your your first one's

about what about you, Chad? Yeah, I've been thinking about

it and that is a really hard to go past like just the way they feel in any configuration, whether it's a manual or turbo or naturally aspirated automatic, whatever it is.

I mean, any of them feel good. And like you said, they just

built to be driven on the highway in any gear and they just geared really well to to just like put your foot down in the slightest amount and then just, you know, you're off and away. But I think I have to go back to

my roots to to, you know, for my choice, it's going to be a like an I or AD or AB series on their engine.

They not known to be the the most reliable of the Honda engines. I mean these are more more than

these are, but there's something about like AB60 or AB18, you know, on full song then not fast obviously.

I mean they can be, but the sound they produce and then just the way they feel in higher Revs, like how responsive they are. I remember taking my at the time

when I just got on my pace, taking my friends like EJ 1, so EJ8 or EM1 for a drive. And then like another friend of

mine had ADC 2 VTIR with AB18IN it cool.

Yeah. And they're just animals.

They're just like you can drive them as hard as you want and yeah, sure they do. They they like burning oil

because you know, BCS VTech engine things.

But there's something about it, man.

I mean, yeah, it's something about, yeah, driving a slow car fast, but also, yeah, you know, just the way they're like, they like to accelerate and they like to Rev just so Rev happy.

They're just brilliant. I mean, people give a lot of

shit to the Hondas, obviously, but at the end of the day, I mean, they did get something right and it was the engine.

Just the way they they love to, yeah, keep grabbing.

It's amazing. I completely agree with that.

Every time I've been in a old B series or even AD series, you know, it's it work. They work.

You know, they're reliable. They they, they work.

Yeah, they use a bit of oil, but you know, if you keep a hold of it, that's that's fine. I'm going to add, I'm going to

add to that with with my next one, the four AGE, which is in my MR2 cracking engine. Like it's, it sounds good, you

know, when it comes on, you know, and the TVIS opens up, you know, the TVIS kicked in, you know, the, you know, like it's the, the, the, you know, and then the throttle body, the sorry in the, in the intake manifold, the butterfly valves open and, and it's like it just, it just rips to like 8 grand and it's, it's a good sound. You're not going fast.

You know it's but it. It's but it.

Sounds like you've gone fast. It does, and it feels alive,

like the car feels alive. It feels fun.

It feels zippy and and for me, it's just it's that car, you know, is all about its engine really.

I mean, obviously it looks super cool, but I think the engine in that car is, you know, I can see why people really like the four AG. Yeah, it's an old engine.

Yeah, it was, you know, Toyota kind of copied ideas from the the Ford Escort, you know, BDA engines and stuff like that for, for the inlet designs and everything.

But like it's just, it feels alive.

It feels happy to Rev. It's you know, it's, it's, it feels like

a like it wants to, wants to get on and do something, you know, let's, let's, let's, let's drive.

So, so that engine for me, every time I drive, every time I drive that car, like it's such a good little engine, like it's only 1600, you know, CC, but but it feels, it feels bigger than that. If it's it's, you know, it's,

it's, it's quite talky for its size.

So, yeah, always been a big, big fan of that.

What? What are what are the ones,

gentlemen? The EJ20, I know the the EJ20

fives obviously, you know, have had their issues, but you know, they're still going to but we'll talk about the EJ20 more specifically. Specifically in my old WRX that

was just a just a blasted drive. Like, you know, you put a bit of

an exhaust on that just, you know, a little higher up from them factory and you've got all the boxer rumble for days.

Just I'd say one of the best sounding 4 cylinder engines.

It's it's relatively rare to get with that much of A will a meaty sound from a four Packer. And that's, you know, due to the

nature of the unequalling characters, which is kind of a, a sad point about the new WRX, considering, you know, it's using the FA engines. And unless you, I've seen people

actually throw unequalling tenders on the FAS and they sound back to normal or back to normal, I say back to the good how they should sound. Yeah, how they should.

Yeah, interesting. But just a just a lovely rumble.

And I had, you know, that year, at least with the, with the 20s, it had basically had the, you know, you've got such low compression that you know, below 2000 RPM, there's nothing, there's nothing you're like you're scared if you try and pull it in front of traffic like I did video times at the start.

But once you're above it, you know, once you're you're at 36, you're at peak talk already. And it's just that turbo surge,

just a great time. It's a great time whether it's.

Such a different it's actually such a different engine to the 25 like yeah, you know, I ran a 25 for years in my Forester and you know, I actually look I prefer to 25 for the drivers a daily because it's it's quite quite it's quite torquey Yeah and. It's also a lot more linear, I

feel. Yeah.

It's a lot more linear. It's it's got, it's actually

got, you know, torque off boost, like you actually do something.

But you know, if you, if you have to more of like that, that turbo woosh, you definitely buy the 20.

But you know, people, people me say, oh, oh, you know, Ajs blow up. Yeah, if if you don't know, if

you don't know, like if you don't look after them, yeah, they, they, they do blow up. But you know, I, you know, after

it got all fixed and everything and I beat the crap out of my forester and it, it took it like a champ.

You know, it was, it was good. So you did all the right things

to it there, you know, and EJ engines, you know, a good thing.

I I really like them. Yeah, yeah.

In terms of back to back with the 20 LM, they're very, they feel so different to drive, don't they?

They do they, they, they like there's still like that kind of DNA in the 25. But the the 20 would be like, I

would say, yeah, the pure experience kind of makes you a little jealous that like, you know, the Japanese want us to keep getting the 20 for a lot longer than we did.

They got them all the way to the end, didn't they?

I'm. Pretty sure they did here.

Yeah. What was that?

Just because of their like their engine size laws?

Is that the reason why they what?

I mean, I'm not. I'm so sure.

Yeah. So did they have EJ's until what

year? Until the one the previous to

the current model. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah, well, that is such a long

run, isn't it? Because that's like what early

90s is when they. I think EJ started the 80s.

You just started in the 80s. I'm not too sure I'm gonna say

EJ motor. Block out of the Liberty.

Yeah, 89, yeah. Liberty like this?

Oh wow, that's incredible. 89 to 2021 that's the that was that

was its lifespan and it came in it came in many sizes 1.51.61.82

litre, 2.22 point 5. So it you know, it was it was it

was definitely a very tractable engine like it was it was using a lot of things and yeah for the most part they were very, very good. You know, like they there's,

there's they're, they're an easy thing to kind of live with.

So yeah, be fan of those. With I wanted to ask one more

question about the EJ's. The difference between the 20

and the 25 is it purely just capacity?

Yeah, that's it. It's.

So essentially everything else like you, if you change the crank over you can make a 20 into a 25 with crank and Pistons. I think maybe like there could

be something different in the deck height.

I'm not too sure, but I'd have to yeah, OK, I'd have to double check and do a bit more research.

But yeah, there I'm pretty sure like there there is a few differences, but yeah, it's mainly just engines.

It's just mainly just capacity really from from what I've all my all my research. But yeah, really good thing.

But they also came like quad Cam, you know, single Cam, like they, they, they had very different variations of, of, of, of this engine. Naturally aspirated, aspirated,

you know, sorry, sorry, they're naturally aspirated or, you know, turbocharged, twin turbocharged in some instances.

So like that they, they had, they had, they had very different variations and it, it just shows that like, you know, it was a good engine. It lasted, you know, it lasted

30 years, you know, so. That's amazing. 3032 years.

Not many engines can last that long, you know.

So in terms of architecture. Yeah, yeah, you're right 100%.

I can't. I'm trying to think what others

probably won't for that long. No idea.

Nothing stands out straight away.

Probably the GM 3800. You know the. 3.8 Yeah, never

late. Never late in the 3.8.

I mean, that's an engine from the from the 60s really.

And you know, and to be fair, that is a good every time I've driven one of like, you know what they're actually pretty quick. Yes, they're unrefined.

Yes, they're a bit rattly, but my God, did they go good.

Like they, they, I remember drawing 1, you know, years ago and I was like, this thing flies.

It was, it was AVT and it used to hammer.

It was that one. And I and I went into VP as a

kid years ago. Yeah.

And this and they didn't really, I forgot they didn't really weigh much VPS in VNS like they weigh they weighed nothing.

Mostly tin shells, yeah. There's barely any like down

proofing or the seats are made out of like cardboard basically.

Pretty much these things would RIP, man.

Like the like the I was like, this thing's quick as they're like, yeah, it's it's a quick thing.

So yeah, that that deserves a mention, I think.

How? Are you mentioned?

Another one for me would be the Toyota V Toyota's V sixes like they're, they're just so silky smooth, like like A2GR or A2 VZ that I used to have, but more more more impressively the the two GR. I think the two GR is just such

a, you know, such a versatile engine.

It's it's been put in everything.

And but what surprised me every time I drive that guy is how smooth it is for for AV 6 and how, how, how easy it Revs and, and it sounds good too. Like not many V sixes sound good

like that sounds that they sound good.

So that for me is definitely definitely one of one of those.

I don't know if you guys have ever been in like an Orion or or something with with that engine, but it's they're they're a cracking thing. Really good, really tractable

engine, plenty of talk, super smooth.

You know, it can teach a lot of Europeans though how how smooth that engine should be especially.

If they're a base, yeah. I think the main Toyota V6 over

it is a good friend, Jake. Yeah, Avalon with V6 and yeah, I

remember just thinking that thing was surprisingly powerful for what is you know, you just like that's a Toyota sedan, like you know how how good this is going to be.

But it was surprisingly smooth, like Torquay.

Yeah, the the the one MZ in in those were were were a good thing if you looked after them. The one I had was a 2 V 2.5 V6

pod Cam and I used to RIP man. I used to like I used to beat my

friends in Mexico. Is there Commodores and Falcons

and that thing it was it was a fast car.

Well, back when I was a people that was a quick car and and it used to Rev so sweetly too. And it used to make a good

little note was it was, it was a cracking little engine that it was. A 2.5 V6.

It was quite a low displacement to a toad of V6, isn't it?

Yeah, so they they even had a 2 litre, I think at one point the they had a one had a 1V Z or two VZ 3 VZ went to three litre and that stayed, it stayed 3 litre for ages when they went to and then they went to A1 MZ and there was some four later ones as well that put in there like their trucks and pratos and things like that. But yeah, like a Toyota V6 is I

think is a good thing. They they yeah, they sound good.

They go good, reliable, relatively can't go wrong.

Yeah. I know it's sad we wouldn't

mention the the gods engines, but I gotta say an RB, whether it's a 20 or a 25, I mean we all know 26 is an amazing, but a 20 and a 25, I mean come on. And even an RB30I mean RB 30 is

kind of unless they're, you know, got a nice snail on the side of them and stuff. They don't have a very special

sound. But a 20 and a 25, I don't know.

There's something about them. A, you know, an external gate, a

20 out of a, you know, out of an R32 GTSDR any day, any day.

I'll take this bloody yell. Yeah, some nice deep, deep sound

to them. And and yeah, you know, plenty

of talk in any, any Rev range and with whatever size turbo really, it just kind of just gets up and goes.

Yeah. I mean, what's the biggest issue

with them? Like oil oiling issues or

whatever the biggest drawbacks. They like to get oil in the

head. And yeah, yeah, but you know,

there's ways to fix it and now the engine will just probably just go for for a long time unless it's, you know, got some other issues like Boost lake and whatever.

Pretty good thing. I've I've always, I've always

had a like I've driven a few 20 fives and been in a 26 but been driven a few 20 fives and they're actually really nice to drive. Like they're really tractable

engine, very smooth and you know, they're quite reliable from what I've heard. So yeah, definitely a good

thing. Yeah bit of love for the I30M

engine the two litre yeah I I test drive one look realistically with no intention of buying, but you know I I had the D Max for AI think it would have been he was his first like service. It was the Peace of Mind service

and for some reason they, they took like 3 hours or something and I was like, just tighten the lug nuts and let me go, you know, like why, why are you wasting my time?

But anyway, so I happened to be at the big old dealership Plaza in Essendon Fields. I decided to swing by Hyundai

and you know, they were a bit quiet.

It was early morning. I was like, well, if you want to

give me a test drive, yeah, I'll take a test drive.

He was like, all right, sweet. It was like a grey, I think it

was just a hatch. It wasn't a fast back, but it

was a dual clutch and man was like half fun.

Like if we just mentioned, I guess because part of the transmission did help make it, you know, especially the the talks to you. I was like, oh, you know, when

the cars get a bit squirrely, it's it's not bad because if it's a front getting squirrely, you can like just let off and it'll settle down really getting squirrely.

You know, it's a different ball game.

So with with this, I was like pretty confident, you know, having a bit of fun and yeah, the car just put a smile on my face, like the the bags of pops or the engine.

Just, you know, it's the fact that you could obviously turn it off and not always be a menace. I think it's very, very

important. They're ridiculous, yeah.

But when you're allowed to be a menace, oh, just it's just, it's just a great time, like a good amount of power, something that you can, I think ideally have as a daily no trouble.

And then if you are on somewhere, you know, a little more adventurous, the car will, you know, put out and you'll, you know, you'll have a good time for lack of a better terminology, you know, the car will show up and, and you'll, you'll at least, you know, be promised something.

Whereas, you know, a lot of times if the car's a great daily, you know, when you ask me for that kind of 10 tents, it's not there. Whereas with, with the I-30 and

either I was driving it fully legally, you know, the 10 tents were there as well. So I thought that's pretty

sweet. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, I was saying this earlier to Maddie Allen, but it's one of those cars like that I've experienced.

I can just take it to and from work every day and do 8 kilometres, sorry, 8 litres per hundred and you know, it'll the the full tank will last me a week and a bit or whatever of commuting. But then take it out to the

mountains and just it is a whole different car, like driving it on the, you know, mostly full throttle and just like we go, you know, going in and out of corners and being able to accelerate out of them. It's a mental like I I need you

to actually take it for a drive and tell me if there was much of a difference between the one you drive and this one, because I'm sure I don't know. I don't know enough about the

hatches. Yep.

But I'm sure, yeah. I don't know if there's any

refinements or if there's any drawbacks.

Yeah, it's just it's an animal. And so I was really, really

surprised myself again, Yeah. Yeah, I'll be, I'll definitely

be happy. And I think that's like again an

important thing to mention. Like you said, you can do 8

litres for 100 KS daily driving the SEI.

Like I struggle to get 10 litres for 100 KS unless it's I'll think exclusively freeway driving.

Yeah. I can't even I could barely

attempt and I'm like that is that is a slog.

Like I am short shifted just, you know, just barely.

No, you look at the boosters just like Nope, we're at 13, Sir. And I'm like, but I didn't do

anything. Go anywhere.

Yeah, it just, you know, kind of.

Kills you is there any any economy stuff that you can do like you know mode change or anything like that?

Oh, I I. Leave it in in the in the we

call it intelligent mode, which is the fuel economy mode.

I don't even keep those four mode.

This is the best thing it'll go, you know, damn that is.

I wonder what it's like under like if you've just left it in sport mode and just driven that I'll I'll.

Probably get 15I reckon like, because it's just, it's just throttle mapping and like, you know, if you, if you go to sport or sport sharp or sport plus, whatever it is, you know, it just it immediately, you know, lets you, I guess, put your foot to the floor, whereas the, the intelligent will wait till you're all the way down to to give you that full, full throttle opening. And yeah, it's like, it's great

if you're having, you know, a spiritual drive.

If you're trying to just commute to work, it's a bit of a slog.

It's a bit of a slog. That's why it just sits in the

garage. Damn.

So you. Know the only fuel was a dollar

a later again. Yeah, Yeah.

I mean it feels 399 if you will to do a drive off, but not that we coach that. It's more about if you're going

to do it to like the corporate chain, don't do it to independently owned, but don't do it at all ideally, you know.

We do not condone fill on fill in runs at Car Talk.

Yeah. No, no, not at all.

No one for me. That's that surprised me a few

years ago. I got to drive AE92M3, which I

was a bit, I don't know, hesitant about driving because, you know, I hear all the all the pain and suffering about rod bearings and issues like that. And, but I drove a good one and

my God, was it nice to drive. Like the engine revved and it

sounded good. And yeah, it didn't really have

a lot down low. But once you got up, once you

got up it, yeah, it was a completely different engine to the, to the C63, you know, the M156.

And I always kind of like be saying, you know what, I actually really enjoyed that engine.

That was, you know, it was a lot of fun.

It was, you know, sort of really revvy sounded good as soon as the car was in and I drove it with a manual and I, I got out of it saying, you know what, that was a really nice experience. Super, super linear, super

smooth, you know, just just a nice, it was a nice engine to drive. Just make sure that you do your,

your Rd pairings and and your and keep up to date with your ESG oil changes and, you know, keep keep an eye on your fuel.

And yeah, though it was a, it was an unbelievably, you know, really fun for that engine. I, I had a good time in it.

My last oil engine is my scams engine, the little 2 cylinder, you know, a little 2 cylinder air called, you know, air called thing. I honestly, and Dave was going

to crucify me for saying this. I honestly thought this these

would be not rubbish, but like, you know, kind of lethargic, you know, not really exciting. That is one of the most exciting

engines I've ever driven. Like genuinely, it seems like

you're not going anywhere, but it seems it's a ring.

It sounds like a motorbike, you know, which is kind of what's based on and really, really revvy, really zippy.

Really, you know, it's it's just it's happy at any speed.

It's happy at any Revs, happy to Rev all day.

Got a roller Baron crankshaft so it can do it.

You know, I was just like this thing is it it it changed my mind as to what an engine could be like.

It was such a it's kind of like a breath of fresh air.

That engine really it was from a different time, but it didn't feel it didn't feel that bad. You know, for A2 cylinder, a

little engine. It was, it was magic.

And I can't wait to keep drive in mind because I think that'll be a good time. Oh.

Yeah, for sure I was. Going to say, is David on his

way to his holiday yet or is he already there?

He's there now. I believe so.

That's a good thing he's not hearing you Well, you started with blasphemy. You turned it around, obviously.

No, no. Well, I honestly thought it

like, yeah, two cylinder like really.

And then I, you know, wash my mouth out with soapy it complete like I drove David's. Oh my God, this is fantastic.

And I drove my one. I'm like, oh, you know, it's

these these these are awesome too, too.

Cylinder is the way to go. So now I got A2 cylinder, 3

cylinder, 4 cylinder and a six cylinder.

I said I said a five. I need to get an XR5 turbo and

and or revolver revolver waggon of some description and haven't got you know have more have more that way.

One of each. So I wanted to ask about the

scamp Maddie. It's the it's, it's air cold.

Air cold, yeah. Air cold and I'm sure the car

like weighs what less than 700 it's like.

It's like 600 something kilos it weighs.

That's amazing. It it, it like it, it moves like

it keeps up with with day to day traffic.

Yeah, you got to ring into that a little bit.

And I would highly recommend staying out of the right lane.

But the, the you know, you, you, you, you manage it, you stay, you stay in its power band and, and you're fine.

You're, you're, you're in a, you're in a good place.

So. Yeah, can't wait to see that on

the road, man. Oh dude, he's telling me I've

been hanging for the last few years so.

Yeah. But anyway, gentlemen, any last

ones you want to quickly mention before we move on because there's plenty more we can talk about.

We should we have to revisit this with the other guys when they're when they're back on the show.

But you know. Obviously we got to do a a

disappointing Agents episode. Well, that's we've already done

1. We haven't.

We haven't done. One, yeah, we'll start with the

K20 in once bath, yeah. No, not the case here is.

Yeah, highest horsepower output my ass.

For an engine. No talk, Haven't this.

Anyway, we'll get into that. That'll be a future episode.

We can we can discuss that next week.

We still we still need to discuss your your toilet scaring episodes, Alan that that's a oh. Yeah, we keep missing that I.

Didn't think you were coming on tonight.

That's why we. Would yeah, that's good.

We'll we'll have to have the whole gig.

And like again, I'm picking up stories from other people.

I picked up stories from story from the boss man.

You know, gastrointestinal emergencies in a car is, I think it'll be a solid topic. No.

Are we including like camper homes or motor motor homes?

Oh yeah. If it's got a motor on it, it's

it counts if it's a motorbike, if it's a push bike with those electric things, I'll even count that like, you know, somebody's trailing a bunch of brown going down one of those and like, you know, on the street or something.

I'll count that as a story. So there's some fun ones.

Jeez, you guys kill me. Ah boys, is this time for the

quiz? I'm ready.

Well, let's do it. The.

Best odds we can hope for. When you chat, it's like it's

going to be the. Best.

The best odds, right? Yeah, let's do it. 1010

questions plus the bonus questions.

You know the rules. Let's get into it guys.

Question 1. Hertz, the rental car company,

teamed up with One American Car Company in 1966 to create the Rental Racer programme. What a rental racer.

Yep, so you could buy one of their cars and it was it was a rental racer. So you could buy an ex a hire

car is that what you're saying? No, so, so no, you could, you

could hire the car from Hertz, but they worked with a, they worked with a company. If you, if you give me the, the

car was based on I'll, I'll give you the points.

But they, they worked with a, with a, let's say a tuning, tuning shop in the 60s doing fast muscle cars.

That's a hint. And they basically you could

rent it for the weekend and race it and bring it back.

Chad. Chad.

I'll go Ford Mustang. You know, I'll give it to you,

Charlie. Oh, wait, wait.

If you're saying that, I'm going to say Shelby.

I'll, I'll give you point, I'll give you .5 to both of you.

It was, it was a Shelby, it was a Shelby GT350H.

The H stood for Hertz. Yeah.

I haven't read about. That it really hurts your your,

your pocket, your hip pocket when you when you smash that car. When you when you crash it.

Or when you just rent from Hertz, because apparently they've been getting people arrested in the States.

They actually brought it back a few years ago with the with the the new the new Mustangs. So that's it was that's pretty

cool. Question 2 Closest to how many

women have entered the Bathurst endurance race, which is like the now called the 1000 since 1963.

The Bathurst endurance race. Yeah, I'll give closest to for

this one. The Bathurst 1000 is known now,

but how many women have entered the race from its inception?

I'll go 40. 40, says chat. The fact that's news makes me

think it's not very high. Let's go 25. 25 says alum.

The answer is 32, so you're 7 away.

Alum and chat is 8 away so Jesus.

Nice one, nice clinch. Wow.

Chocolates. Just question three.

In the first Fast and the Furious movie The Fast and the Furious, Leon drives A33 GTR, Jesse drives AVW Jetta.

What does Vince drive? Alum.

Alum. I mean are we counting his

starting car that he has a first race in?

Vince So Vince is the the guy that wears like the fishnet stockings and that. Guy, sorry, sorry.

You know what, Chad, you go because I was thinking of for some reason Vin Diesel really dumb, like I'm sick.

Tell you can tell I'm not on it. I think it's a Nissan, either

Ultima or Maxima. It's one of them.

Which one are you going to pick? I thought Maximas or Ultimas

over there, so I'm going to go Ultima.

It is an Ultima. It isn't.

It isn't ultimate. No, it's, oh, isn't.

It's Maxima. Oh, it is Maxima.

I've done that. OK, right.

That was actually the car that he drives is the that director the director, one of the Chad Lieberman's was his was his daily driver. His other car in the movie was

the Super bonus question. What colour was it?

Oh, Chad. Chad I.

Think it's Navy? It is Navy blue water and I'll

pay that right on Chad Score check 1.5 apiece.

Question 4IN what year did the NSW Police Force obtain their first patrol vehicle? I'll give you I'll give you guys

closest to. Chad, Chad, I'll go like 1975.

75, says Chad. So this was like their first

first one. The first vehicle, the first the

first non horse. And carriage.

Oh, OK, so it doesn't matter. That's all good.

I misunderstood the question, but that's why.

That's. So wait, prior to this all races

were done all all pursuits were done on horseback.

Yeah, pretty much. Or or horse and carriage.

I say like 1940s nineteen 45. 45 you're closest to it because

you're so because you guys are so far away, I'll give you .5.

It was 1915. Well damn.

Yeah, like the first Fords or something, right?

Yeah. So like the person walking away

is walking faster than the car? Yeah, yeah.

Like stop, right? There criminal scum, you know,

he was like, you'll never catch me, just do the power walk, you know? Getting back to the Fast and

Furious for question five, name all the Fast and Furious movies with the correct titles. I'll give you.

I'll hang on. I'll give you .5 for each.

You're gonna name them correctly, so you bump.

You bump them first. The Fast and the Furious.

That is .5. 2 Fast, 2 Furious. That is .5.

OK, so we've got Fast and Furious.

That is one of them, Yep. Yeah, then we've got Fast 5.

Yep. Hit OK fast 7.

Oh, sorry chat. So you've got you've got 2 two

points for alum chat. The Fast and the Furious.

Tokyo Drift. That is one that's OK.

So that's that. You had to be that fast.

Yeah, I was thinking. Alum's already said fast 5HE.

Has said fast 5, that's correct, yeah.

Is is there a fast X? Fast X there is.

Yeah. Well done.

I'm trying to think of the one after five.

I don't know if it's Fast X The Fate of the Furious, that's one of them. The Fate of the Furious.

Yeah, that's, that's one. Yeah, I'll give you that.

Well done. That's all I've got.

I can't remember the other two. 1.5 to Chad.

All right, can I? Can I take some more guesses or

no a way out? Yeah, you can do it.

Yeah. All right.

Back in OK SO. So there, there is 123.

There's three more to go. There's Fast and Furious 6.

That is 1. Yep.

There's Fast and Furious, Hobbs and Shore.

That I'm not including that one. OK.

So numerically, which ones do we have so far?

I can't tell you because. I would.

So if I say an answer that's already been answered, what happens then? I buzz you out.

You bastard. Damn it.

I don't want to be that person, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of looking down going on. Right, right.

Yeah, I got nothing. Nothing .5 Chad, because I gave

Alan one more chance, I can give you one more chance.

Yeah, that's fair. I'm just going to go fast 6. 6

is incorrect, so the ones you're missing were F9.

It's. Just called.

F9 just called F9. Yep, Furious 7.

Wow. Fast and Furious 6.

So I'll, I'll read in a chronological order for you.

The Fast and Furious 2. Fast and Furious, The Fast and

Furious. Tokyo Drift.

Fast and Furious for number four.

Yeah, yeah. Which Fast 5.

Fast and Furious 6. Furious 7.

The fate of the Furious, which was #8 F 9 and Fast X Fast 10.

Oh. Jesus.

It's the worst naming convention.

In the world. It makes no sense.

It sucks. Somebody needs to talk to me

about this all. Right now, bonus question.

Oh Jesus Christ. What were the other films that

were that were made? But the short films, what were

they called? These serious short films.

What do you mean by short films? So there were short films before

the all before the actual movies.

Whether were there multiple? There's two.

There's two. There's two.

I'm not aware of these at all. Not a lot of people are actually

like when I explain it to James from Man Versus Movies, he's like, wait, there was that and he went back and looked and he's like, Oh my God, I had no idea this whole time.

All right, I don't know the names of them, but I'll try and describe. The first one is, I believe,

basically what happens to Brian right after he lets Tom go.

That is correct, but I'm gonna need any answer of the name.

And the story is called How Brian Got his No, it's.

Not. It's I'm just trying to think of

what the second story is. Shit, so were they played before

one of the movies or something? Or I think.

So yeah, I think so. They're played after all.

They're kind of in between releases.

I don't know, like they're they're weird.

Do you guys give up? Because I'll I'll, I'll all.

Right. Well, let me let me do some wine

work at least to say is the second one basically because I've seen it in the movie, technically speaking, but is it where they basically go to break Dom out of the prison van hang?

On. Does is that the same?

Because I'm like that kind of. You see the hint of it at the

end of Fast and Furious which is the before, and then you see the start of it at Fast 5 I think. Yeah, so basically it's it was a

director to short film written by Vin Diesel.

Basically this part was the it's where he recruits Han and basically it it's how they kind of like, you know, like and and you know, and escape from prison from the Dominican Republic, etc. So.

Escape from prison. Yeah.

So see this. Dominic Toretto recruits Hahn

and Rico to help Tego Leo, Doms associate, escape from prison in the Dominican Republic. So it's basically how they do it

and get him out. I have not seen this.

Yeah, this. Is after letty thighs right?

It's actually before. Lady.

Oh, it's before. So, so so this one is.

Spoilers for a movie that's like.

You know. It's the prequel to Fast and

Furious. So so so that one's called Los

Bandoleros, which means they're outlaws.

And the other one, get ready for this guys, is the turbo turbocharged Prelude for two Fast 2 Furious.

Oh, that's right, that's how you find how Brian got his skyline.

Yeah, correct. Yeah.

So you're saying this was played in the cinemas before the film?

I don't know if they were, but it's kind of like.

Because it's it's like until you told me about it, I did not know that this was the case. Yeah, I remember that Skyline 1

and I think it was played either before or after the movie or after the first or second movie or maybe before.

I think it was before the 2nd movie.

I remember that that's the first one, maybe the second.

Movie Welcome was like a director's cut or something.

Yeah, kind of thing, but like there's there's no talking in it. It's just it's just racing in in

cinema. Yeah.

Question 6. What?

It was the first American car, which was actually the first car ever to put ACD player in it. Which brand?

Can you give me the brand? I'll give it to you.

Brand of car. Yeah, Brand of American car was

the first to put ACD player in a vehicle.

Chad. Chad.

I'll guess Cadillac. Cadillac is incorrect.

Whoa, I was gonna guess Cadillac.

It's a it's a luxury brand, so you're doing the money there.

Ellen oi am gonna go for Lincoln.

Lincoln is correct. Lincoln.

Is oh very good. Yeah, If you had a guest

Cadillac for chat, I would have guessed Cadillac because it sounds like a yeah. Like if you yeah, they think

which of the Americans are doing it first, it'd be like American luxury, most likely. And then, yeah, you say America

luxury. You think caddie?

Yeah, my only question, like what decade?

Ellen. Ellen.

I believe it was the 80s because.

That's that is the that is correct it.

Isn't it? Yeah.

Like it was fancy enough at that point rather than like, obviously still the 90s, most people had cassette players in their cars. But you know, at least in the

late 90s, people getting CD players going.

Yeah. But that was still fancy.

They weren't like a luxury car fancy.

They were just like this guy's. He's into his car audio fancy.

I was gonna try and be diplomatic about him, I guess.

This guy's a moron, you know, You can imagine how expensive those players would have been. And so I wonder what ACD cost?

Oh, dude, it's like when like Blu rays came out like a Blu ray player was ridiculous. It was cheaper to buy a

PlayStation three. Yeah.

Cheaper my PlayStation 3 than a player player.

And I was like the only reason I had two Blu ray players relatively only orders because they were part of a deal.

Like you buy these two, you buy ATV and Blu ray player.

And we just moved house so we bought 2 TV's and they like they send US2 Blu ray players. They actually had to send one to

my uncle's work because they're like, we can't send two to the same address. I'm like, but I bought 2 TVI

bought 2 TV's. What are you doing?

But yeah, like Subtech is just damn expensive for no good reason. Score check LM 6 1/2 Chad Two

Question 7 Gran Turismo 4 on the PlayStation 2 featured for the first time Australian Rd cars. Which 4 did they feature .5 for

each? Alum.

Alum. Uh, was there an AU XR8?

There was an AU XR8 race car but I'm on after the race car that was in it before. All.

Right point, Dad. Is alum buzzed out?

Yeah, you're being incorrect. OK, there was a UXRA debut.

This just wasn't the question you were asking.

I believe they had. I think that was ABA or BFX all

right. You're in the right money, but

it's incorrect. They featured the CV8 Monaro,

the VYSS Commodore, the BAF 6 Typhoon, and BAFPVGT.

Oh. F6 Wow, yeah.

Question #8 in the initial DNMA slash manga, Shoji Shingo was a villain. He drove What Car?

Alam Alam. He was one of the night kids.

He. Was one of the night kids.

And he had, oh damn it, I don't know, my Civics.

He had a Honda Civic. It was AB16A engine.

I think it was an Ek, I don't know.

Nah, I'll give you I'll give you a .5.

It was a Honda Civic, EG 6. Sir 2.

He did. He did advertise his B16 agent.

Yeah, he's like, it's like way more powerful.

It had B16, yeah. My God it's way more powerful

than your level 4 AG the duct tape death match, you know.

Duct tape, That's right, it wasn't duct tape that match.

That's great question #9 this is to all my favourite lesbians out there. How many generations of the

Subaru Forest that have been made?

Chad. Chad 66 is correct.

Chad, well done. Yeah.

But oh, I'm going to get six. I'm probably going to get 6-7 or

five. Chad, Chad, you know, as a as AI

was called a lesbian for a long time.

Driver of mine. Yeah, I can, I can relate.

Question #10 What Car specifically?

Car was the main sponsor of the Adelaide Crows was, you know, and they're still sponsored by the company these days, but there was a car that they were sponsored by in particular.

Rose. Oh my God.

See, they only said that they're still sponsored by them.

I'm like, well, it's, oh, I won't say it until later, but like it's, it rules out a kind of company for me.

Well, they're still sponsored by the Cub company, but the actual model they don't have on their on their uniforms anymore.

I'm just going to take a yes, total ruffle.

Toyota's .5 Chad It is a .5. It is a Toyota.

Does Alan get to have a guess now?

Yeah, he gets one go, but it's only for .5 Alan, so you can.

All right, I'll guess a Orion. Incorrect.

It was the Toyota Camry. They were known.

As I was feeling Camry they were.

Known as the Camry Crows. So that sucks.

So Steph, Adelaide support because she's just from Adelaide. And if anybody knows if any of

Adelaide listeners know that like Adelaide and Adelaide, like they hated Jolla. And so Steph, even to this day,

when we're watching the football, she'd be like, calm the Camrys. Calling it the Camrys.

So calm the Camrys. Let's go, Camrys.

That's hilarious. So Camry crows, that's what

that's what that's what they want to know.

So if you look back on the old 90s.

And. Early 2000s jumpers there, you

know, Guernsey that they said, yeah.

Toyota Camry, Camry crows, gentlemen.

Camry Crows, that is the car quiz.

Let's add up the scores. Chad On a grand total of 2.5,

Allen is tonight's winner on 123-4567 points.

Well done, Allen, Good job. Well done Allen.

Good stuff mate. I want to think Fast and the

Furious. To be fair, it also got Chad

quite a few it. Did it?

Did. There's a lot of points there

for sure, yeah. Yeah, a lot of point fives in

there for for that, but. I just, I don't want to thank

the ad LED crows. You know you.

Know I'd like to have to speak with the person that's that's named the the furious like Fast and furious movies like.

To be I want to be made responsible.

Fast 6 and and Furious 7 and jeez Fast X and who knows.

I definitely think they were having a laugh at some point, right? Like after like maybe past five

or something, they're like, let's just be silly.

Dude at this point I think they realised how stupid it is like except for Dominic Toretto like I like I think I think Vin Diesel I think sees a serious movies.

Everyone else is just like this is the funniest shit ever.

Yeah. So.

Crazy man. Yeah, good stuff though.

Good stuff. Very good I.

Think that's a podcast, gents? Yes, good stuff.

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Chad, you're delivering. What are you?

What are you delivering this week?

What have I been delivering? Oh, a lot of iPhones.

Actually, a lot of a lot of iPhones going.

Yeah, take the take. The chat and just ignore the

iPhone there. Thank.

You I appreciate it, you're. Welcome is that?

Is that the new one? Yeah, that's the new one.

Good stuff. It's we, we play for a game of

musical iPhones at at home when the new one comes in.

So I, I wipe my one and, you know, give that to my dad and why parents won't give that to mom and then a wipe her one and then either sell it, which I'm going to do this time, or we put it in the box and save it for somebody in the old country.

Somewhat grateful person, that is.

That's because better hand me down phones.

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