In a world with entirely too many shows about cars, this is another Pointless Automotive
podcast.
How are you, my hopefully not ballless friend?
How are you?
I could use a lot less ballage now it is.
They just get in the way.
It causes problems.
Okay, to go like, all right, time out.
Time out.
This is a real time out?
No, not a real time out.
We're bringing the listener behind the curtain.
The meat curtains.
The meat.
Yes, similar.
So, you made a thinly veiled illusion to, I don't know, not producing children anymore?
Because we're both men in our 40s.
And genuinely, like under a week from now, I have my consultation for my bisectomy.
And this is out in the ether now.
This is part of our, part of the conversation, part of the situation we're talking about.
You need to control your free-skitten.
I've been saying it for years.
I know, I know, I've been bagging it for a while and I'm excited to no longer
be doing that even if it requires surgical intervention.
How about you, can I poke and prod?
How about you?
What are you doing?
I mean, you recently had a child.
Yeah, so the plumbing.
Or recently than me.
I think the plumbing, yeah, like years more recently than you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got some secrets you want to share on the after dark special.
No, no, no.
You have to pay.
That's going to be the after dark episode.
Oh, that's the pay wall.
The pay, yeah, the pay wall is where we, we talk about my illegitimate offspring.
There will be, there will be bastards revealed if you guys sign up for coming.
I can't even.
Sorry, sorry.
I got a little hair of the dog.
It's helping me stay alive at this point.
It's okay.
This game we're recording this like seven, seven nights is fine.
Hey, we pre-gamed.
We pre-gamed appropriately on this one.
We did.
It's okay.
Weekend.
Congratulations.
Let me know what your quote was because I know a guy that'll do it cheaper, Frank.
Yeah, it's like, it's like a, it's like a Suvi bag.
He's not, he's not exactly a doctor.
I'm doing air quotes.
Like Dr. Dre level of doctors.
He's got a pretty steady hand.
I need a doctor.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyways, I may be talking about my genitals.
Can you, can you write the ship, sir?
I think I can.
I think I can.
So we haven't done it for, and I checked the, checked the books.
I wrote this episode.
Would you rather, automatically, would you rather, we've done, God damn it.
We've done five volumes of this.
It's been over a year.
If you guys, you guys know the game, would you rather, and there's two like scenarios.
You get to pick one.
They usually both suck.
We go five extra steps further than we should, as you would expect from us.
So we're going to, we're going to fucking do it again.
This is volume six of automotive.
Would you rather, would you rather get a public bisectomy?
Or, I mean, do you get it for free?
There's got to be some kind of like balance, right?
I mean, I, I, oh boy.
Yeah, I guess.
Also my, my, my threshold of things that I feel uncomfortable doing in public is not really reflective of the human race.
So yeah, no, it's anyone that knows me.
Definitely expose myself for far less.
All right.
Let's, let's start this off.
I always like to start it off mild and then I, you know, we wrap it up.
I like to ease into this shit.
I've entitled these.
The first one's called Stay Gold Pony Boy.
This is for you, Frank.
This is a kind of a hard one, man.
Would you rather drive Camaros or Mustangs exclusively for the rest of your life?
No other vehicles.
You have to pick one of those.
Would you rather?
Question, clarifying question.
This isn't how the game works.
Go ahead.
What do you got?
Clarifying question.
Is every Mustang derivative and every Camaro derivative allowed?
So like, like, like a Shelby GT 350 or a, I don't even know what derivative like Yanko Camaro.
So I knew you were going to come at me with this kind of shit.
So I prefaced it's not for long.
I will bust at you.
So I prefaced this by writing, yes, Frank, anything that has Camaro or Mustang in the name is fair game.
Okay.
In that case, if it was only vintage and modern, everything.
Yeah.
If it was only bitching Camaro, bitching Camaro, like just like factory, no other people getting involved.
I would do Camaro, but because it's not.
And because the modern, which is not how we usually skew, but because the modern Shelby GT 350 is so freaking good.
I got to go Mustang.
And that's nice.
And that's in the era of what's what's interesting is if you look to like the 80s and 90s.
All of the, I would say Camaro kind of wins the day.
Like Camaro was much better.
Like the F body, the Camaro SS.
And if we want to stretch to include Firebird and Firehawk and SLPs and all that shit is better.
But I just early Camaro derivative, sorry, early Mustang derivatives and late Shelby derivatives.
I'm going Mustang.
That's what I'm doing.
How about you?
If you had a hat to throw in this ring.
So I'm with you, dude.
I think there's more variety under Mustang.
What you didn't hit upon is the Mach-E Mustang.
Because you could.
I know, but I also don't care.
You can have your family electric vehicle.
I think that's kind of a win.
But also I named some things.
I put GT 350R, of course.
I put Cobra Fox body, which I fucking love.
I like Terminators.
I like Mysticroams.
I like, I'll take out Terminators.
Good.
You know, I don't know.
The Bosco twos and Mark Mark ones are pretty good.
There's some cool Mustangs, right?
So I think, I think there's more variety, which is what I'd want.
If that's the only kind of car.
What is the Camaro counterpoint though?
There's good stuff.
The 28 SS, the Z 28, the modern Z 28 member that really kicked off the whole new
modern muscle car.
So the modern, modern, modern Z01 is a very impressive vehicle.
Yep.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
That one is nasty.
But I couldn't imagine.
Yeah.
Mustang.
I think I give Mustang the edge on that one.
Pretty easy challenge to start off with.
The Ford edge.
Hmm.
ST.
Yeah.
D.
Okay.
Okay.
Let me, let me try and come back at you.
Okay.
What do you have?
How about this?
If you had to pick anything to drive forever from here on, like draw the line in the sand
now back to the end of history.
Jesus.
All convertibles only.
Hmm.
You pick like you could just, you have free reign of every pick of the litter convertible
or only SUV truck, CUV.
Oh, forever.
What are you doing?
Only convertibles.
Oh.
That's as lame as like a Toyota Solara.
There is some crossover, right?
And by this, I mean, if you say like any convertible, right?
So a Jeep Wrangler.
Count.
Even though it does count for the only SUV, CUV truck world.
Geo trackers and sidekicks as well.
I'm assuming those count.
Okay.
Also, those also would count under the CUV truck.
So you can go, you can go fucking G wagon.
You go G cab.
That's true.
Right.
You can go Jeep Wrangler.
Hmm.
You can go evoke convertible.
You can go Murano convertible.
You would.
Or only convertibles.
Like where do you, where do you, what, what would work?
Third gen forerunner.
Right.
Doesn't, doesn't count on the convertible world.
Pick any pickup truck other than the Shelby, weird Dakota, first gen Dakota convertible
doesn't count.
This is a tough event.
When you boil it down.
It's really a practicality versus you're never going to have a convertible sports car.
Right.
It's like one of the other.
Like you can't have a car.
If you take like the truck, if you take the truck point, right?
You don't get a car.
Yeah.
But like, see you, see you V counts convertible bro.
I'm doing it.
I'm doing convertible.
Yep.
Only convertible.
I'll make it happen.
Open air living baby.
What is what?
Okay.
I, I don't disagree.
Hmm.
I couldn't live without cars.
There's no sports cars.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Say that out loud again to the audience.
You can't, I couldn't live without a sports car.
Available to me.
Okay.
Fair.
That's my, my dick line in the sand.
I need to have, because I, you know, I love a lot, but eventually I'm going to
crave something that can take a corner.
Yeah.
No.
And then there's plenty of cool like convertible stuff you could shoehorn a
family into if you had to.
There are Murano convertibles.
They're not cool.
PT cruiser convertible.
I don't know why you didn't name that.
Come on, man.
The regular PT cruiser, the four doors better, better than the convertible.
I'm trying to think what the most family friendly convertible it might be
so long.
Honestly.
I, I, so Laura, I could see that.
What?
They made an eight outie A four convertible back in the day.
And I know they did, but then you have to maintain an Audi.
It's like a 1.8 turbo or two, but it's still an Audi.
Yeah.
But yeah, but I think so.
Honestly.
Solar convertible is probably the most.
It probably is.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a Camry.
So that's a easy peasy.
Right.
Or Muran honestly, Murano cross cab.
Oh, so ugly.
It's so ugly.
It's cute.
Or you know what, actually genuinely, and this, this is walking the line
like a new, a new Bronco, like a new two seven.
I don't know.
Auto Bronco four door.
It's pretty family friendly.
It's under warranty.
What?
Yeah.
Convertibles that are for families.
It's a tough segment.
How cool is it for 30 chopped their legs?
No, that would be great.
It'll be great.
That's what I'm saying.
I know this because I just this last week rode in the backseat
of a 2007 Solar convertible.
And it was palatial.
There was so much room.
I don't know about that.
No, it was genuinely huge.
Camry.
It was big, if true.
And it was true.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
It's a two door Camry with a drop top.
I'm going drop top for life, dude.
So I'm going to pick convertible.
Which way are you going on this one, man?
Jolly.
It's actually shockingly tough.
I thought convertibles are one of those things where if you've
never owned one, you don't get it.
Right.
Yep.
But when you have owned one and put a bunch of my like and do
really cool top down drive and that's like you get it.
So I think I agree with you.
Mostly because most SUV and CUV, whatever derivatives, the
best ones are also convertibles.
That's true.
If it wasn't, if that gray area in the middle wasn't
there, it would be a much harder, harder decision.
But because there's a lot of SUV's, CUV's that are best served
as convertibles, then I'm in.
Good call.
That is a tough one, man.
That one.
That was a sneaky tough one.
What you got for me?
Life and death.
Oh, this is a little tricky.
Would you rather have sob return but Porsche dissolves?
Okay.
So sob returns, Porsche goes away or get Pontiac back, but you
lose BMW.
Realistically, the hardest part about this equation is the
deletion and not, not the addition.
You have to think about both sides of this puzzle.
That's why I picked the brands I did.
Simply because if you look at the deletion side of this
equation, right?
Am I deleting Porsche or am I deleting BMW?
Modern Porsche.
And I'm saying this as, you know, I'm saying this as
a product, not as like a, a, a, a measure of profit because
the BMW today is a more profitable company.
Like or broadly, then.
Horsha is Porsche has famously for the last what umpteen
quarters or forever.
Yeah.
No, like, very recently has been like, a, this is a
bigger company, it should be larger.
Horsha is. Horsha has famously for the last umpteen quarters forever. Yeah. No, like very recently
has been like a they they their value as a corporate company has been
that's a technical term is right
And so
Ignoring old
I'm going to say if I look at like product produced versus product produced I I'm going to
Delete
The bucktooth
bully on the block
Which which is bmw
Ignoring like all the the corporate bullshittery and just picking which like
Objects that are made by people
mm-hmm
I like the Porsche objects that are made versus the bmw objects that are made
mm-hmm
And so I think that's the direction I'm going to go. I'm going to
punt
bmw into the shadow realm. Mm-hmm
And as much as though I would love to bring back sob
It's a tough one
Pontiac
We build driving excitement like I would
We want it back we want it back
I want it back and and I would
in a vacuum
It would be really tough to make that decision
But considering what I'm deleting today versus what I'm
Not deleting. Mm-hmm. I have to delete bmw
And get to like play in the delicious sandbox. That is the resurrection
Of Pontiac
Not because I'm a Pontiac truther
but
The concept of like I hear that the new entry level tempest
And and and the gto
And the the firebird and the even if you want to have like a shitty
Like mid-tier crossover that's like beholden
to another GM product like
It's fine. Like call it call it the
Call it the lamans. I don't care
Um, we've already done that with a a a day woo product
So you can you're not going to bastardize it any more than it's already been bastardized
Um, yes, sorry. I feel like this went longer than it should have
But this was me just like fleshing this out in real time. And yes, this is my decision
Murder bmw publicly. Um, bring back Pontiac
Um, my choice alliance completely with yours dude. It is it is
I think out of
Porsche and bmw have pretty strong enthusiast followings. I think they always have
bmw has probably strayed the furthest from its core
Uh enthusiast over the years than Porsche has Porsche has a little bit everybody has right? There's bloat. There's everything else
There's safety whatever technology. I think bmw has like veered completely off of
You know what made them an enthusiast brand far more than Porsche has for that reason they're off the fucking island
Also Pontiac dude, imagine a new firebird if they just fucking gm
Just stops fucking about and leans in on how cool they could make a chimero based firebird just
Go bodycladding. Have to have a chimero first. Yo, it's right
But no, like you know what i'm saying like bring back the fucking wild versions of the gm economy boxes
Uh and just put a little flair on there for us man. That's how we want. Uh, yeah, right resurrect hold
honestly
It would be
Here's the thing
Okay, hold on let me let me let me try and flush this out in real time. Hmm. Okay, so
Every manufacturer
Is trying to grab
by the dick and balls
the the
The youth of today
That's a legal in most places it is
Like the 18 legally plus youth right youth the people that can buy a car
Like this has been this has been the challenge forever. This is why scion was an independent brand
Was to grab the youth of america. This is why saturn like
Went on way longer than it should have
Because they were trying to grab the the young demographic
This is why the three series
Was successful and this is why every american manufacturer has tried to make their own three series derivative
They say want the yuppie group. They want the young urban protect
professional they want the youth
group
Pontiac
Could do that like they can they can do a Pontiac
Pontiac could be the new scion
I had more to this
In my mind
I just want to say you've said too much already. No, it's uh
It's a behind your back slightly slice your throat move. Um, no, dude. Uh, I agree
I think if they came in cheap if they came in with a lot of fucking style
That's what i'm saying make everything fun and silly again because that's all it was
Pontiac took gm products made them a little more wild looking maybe changed the performance. Usually not
And just yeah did some cladding did some cool branding exercise
They fucking put giant fucking flaming birds on things. That's what they did. That was what they were good at. Um
I don't know. I'd like to see Pontiac come back. I think that'd be cool. It's fuck make a corvette
Pontiac make us a corvette
Like front engine
rear-wheel drive
What would you do? How fun would that be dude? What would you do for?
Ah, man, like what what would be the different what would be the differentiator?
For a a new trans am if you will
So
That well, that's a camaro fighter, right? I'm saying build your fucking own corvette to you but make it front engine
Right, but we'll drive okay, but what would you what would you call it like the new one?
Like if you had a c8 derivative the fire cock or something something fucking straight up
Yeah, the fucking flaming boner. That's what i'm saying is so in your face so cool. Um
waving in your face
I don't know they could do it. They could do something
You know use the c7 no one would complain if we did a more modern c7 with a Pontiac badge
Zero people get so fucking amped because maybe the c8 if you bring this if you just like dust off the c7 platform
With body cladding excitement
Someone's writing this down somewhere I hope well like I just imagine getting the c the c7 platform
Oh still good and
I'm all okay back to
We're going like I feel like we're way off the rails for where we started and this is okay
Um getting the c7 platform
That's deeply retired the c8 has marched on that's a Chevy product
You're
This isn't a weird bizarro world where Pontiac still somehow exists and you now have the Pontiac
And you have the c7 platform you take the zero six
What what lte I don't know what it's even called the lt2. I don't even whatever don't even matter
It doesn't matter you take that c that's that
Zero six uh-huh motor put it in the front engine
C7 chassis
You dress it up. You make it more ridiculous. You make it. I don't you call it the trans am
Or I don't know you you you find a a
A trans hero and you rebrand it as the am trans
And you launch it as the I don't even yeah
And just you have the the front engine
Like derivative c7
Critter
Called the critter. I don't care the lamans that would be so well received
Uh and not sell but it would be so well received by journalists in fact
Right by journalists who famously don't buy cars because they get because they get cars
Right. Yeah, but to the test drives the reviews would be off the charts 10 out of 10
What why did Pontiac fail?
As we're talking about cars that nobody buys
But yeah, they can't even name a g4 or whatever the fuck the last car they built was
Yeah, right. That's why Pontiac failed by the way. Um, no, um, I think that'd be so fucking killer
Um, but that's what I got. I agreed with you man life and death on that one
Life death brigade you have another shot to shoot
I do have another shot to shoot. Okay, where'd it go? Okay, let me see if I can find it
I have notes. I have them somewhere. Oh god. Oh fuck. Oh god. Oh fuck
Um press any key
I don't see any any key. Where's the any key? Okay. How about this? Um
Okay, if you had
Only water
Forever
You you could only drink water until the end of time no coffee
No beer no wine
no
soda
No, no, no, no Pepsi zero, whatever go zero. I don't even know you had me until that point
Or
In order to unlock everything that isn't water
You had to try every indirect injectable
Drug intravenous drug one time and then and then you quit
What are you doing is this in the back of a pickup we have to be automotive would you rather?
Yes, yes, this is in the back of a 1976
Dodge prospector van. Okay, great
Probably the scenario has played out in the back of
Here's the thing here's the thing. Um
We have not we have not had a discussion
personally
and professionally
And on or off the pod
Yeah about each other's um
Drug history we have we have we have never discussed this we we
You've probably made assumptions about me and vice versa, but we've never actually discussed
Each other's drug history. Maybe we will
Only soon to be recorded. I believe that's indictment, but yes, go ahead. Continue. Maybe we maybe this can be
Unlocked oh and some sort of
Patreon
Terrible situation but until that happens. We're really trying to sell an idea. We haven't solidified, but we're doing
We're pitching it's like it's like my bowel movements like
unusually
genuinely probably not solidified
um
Here's the thing. Would you rather only drink water forever?
Or try
Let's say most of the intravenous drugs and then walk away. What are you doing?
Ah
A life without beer is pretty tough. I think I could do it. I think it'd be tough
It'd be real tough. Um, I don't really I do imbibe imbibe in a diet coke quite often
So a little okay, a little uh, a little see we're learning
I don't know this cigarette is what I refer to those two
I need a little I need a little pick me up every once in a while. Um, I don't I don't drink regular soda
I you know mostly beer obviously a lot of wine yesterday
Obviously
I don't even want to think about the taste of any red wine right now. Um, but
Ah
There's a lot of bad IV IV drugs out there. Um, honestly, I don't I don't
I
And this is not to me to like push you in any direction. I don't know if a single like
Positive intravenous drug. I mean to get back on that soda, bro
Injecting tab the yeah
Paul abdoul comes out
Oh
Yeah, I gotta hope so. Um, no man. I gotta I gotta I gotta play it safe here. I gotta I gotta just do the water
For the rest of my life, man. Yeah, I think I think same in the back of that dodge most
Yeah, most good save the only way you can drink water is in the back of a 1976 dodge prospector. No, um fair enough
so I
I think I agree mostly because if I'm mentally
Mm-hmm full disclosure
And this is not like
This is not like scooping
The patreon tier that has yet to exist. Yeah, no, don't ruin it. Don't ruin it. I'm not I'm not ruining it
I'm just gonna spoil this. I give him the milk for free. I've never done intravenous drugs
Choker, that's the first episode of the patreon episode
That's
It's like
Balls as we actually try we like try to intervene like
shaky shaky hand like trying intravenous drugs just for like the two fucking
Uh patreon subscribers. No, I'm a very loyal guy, you know, if I if I said I was gonna do it
I mean if I can do it
Oh god getting addicted to heroin for like 19 dollars or whatever
anyways, um
I've done worse for less. So
Yeah, true story
This is all much to do about
Yeah, I I I suppose I agree. Um, I like
Yeah, I feel like honestly if it went to you can never drink water or you can only drink alcohol. I would probably
Will you to water because I don't like dying. Oh, yeah. Yeah at that point I'm introducing intravenous drugs
So on that
Bizarro note that um did nothing good for anybody
Do you do you have do you have one to come to me with? Yeah, let's let's let's we should probably wind this bit down
But I got a good one for you. This one's called
Pain or suffering
So okay, I lost those
So would you rather own a front wheel drive?
996 Porsche Carrera
front wheel drive
This is horrible or a third generation Prius power plant drivetrain swapped Plymouth Barracuda
Oh, honestly give me that Prius dog. I have so
Dude, you know how sick it would be to have a third gen Prius like a 446 pack
No, it's the other way around my friend. You get the Prius power plant drivetrain in the Barracuda. Oh, honestly
Yes, I would daily the shit out of that. I've already okay. Here's the thing
my daily
Lexus ct ct 200 age I've heard of them
I'm already doing that with a Lexus ct 200 age body if I can do that with all of the sickness
I would be down with the sickness if you will
um to have that
I don't know 71
Barracuda, can I can I pick the spec? Can I go like go mango?
You can't you can absolutely pick the spec. You can't retro mod the suspension. You can't retro mod anything else
I want the rickety dog shit
Everything with an ecvt and 134 horsepower. Yes. Yes. I I
I cannot tell you how much I want that
against anything else
Honestly, I like as a daily
Give it to give it to me straight dog. I don't even care what your answer is. I know this is this is my
This is my experience. I I would pay I would actually pay money for this
Okay, okay. Yes. I I could not be more horny. I am
I am 100 with you. This is an ungodly pairing
I'm so fucking sprung the idea to have a
Barracuda rolling on the street getting 40 plus miles per gallon is fucking sick. It's sick and yeah
You're gonna you're gonna not sound like a
V8 powered Barracuda, but
Not it's kind of cool. Although on the cheap a front wheel drive 996 would be kind of funny
It would be kind of a funny, you know, it'll be you you get you get a 996 turbo and somehow this like
Like
Make it like you like rear axle delete
To send it all for a wheel drive front wheel peel all day. Um, if you say, okay. Yeah, no, that was you funny
I just I mentally deleted the other option. I I I've completely forgot that that's what that was
If that's that's how much I was into the other option of the the Prius fueled
Barracuda, yes, the only bad thing would be like someone pulls up to you in a light and they kind of want to run a little bit
And you're like, fuck you, buddy. Yeah, you just go
Yeah, you just like
You blow them a kiss and then you pull up with the
Little nose. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Yeah into it
Do we have enough time for one more coming at you? Yeah, you can sneak one in. Let's go. All right. All right. All right
Let it go
Let it go. Okay. Here's what it is
Do you want?
You
Right here right now. Oh boy
Only
You could only drive pre 1990 so 89 or older
Forever
And when I say forever, I mean forever like
89 and older
Anything until the day you die anything doesn't matter
Or
Evie
forever
Going forward like the the future of evs
like
the new 2040
electric whatever like
What are you doing
Dude pre like pre 1990 forever or every ev forever and this is your daily. This is this is you being a 90 year old band
I'm a half. What are you doing? Literally literally halfway there officially. Um, oh, wow. Yeah, um
Cool, bro. Was that last week some day? I don't even remember. Whatever the 20 second was
Happy birthday
Mr. President. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was
No, no, I was doing the uh, I was doing the uh, cv wonder happy birthday, which is
Decidedly
Decidedly not the Marilyn Monroe happy birthday, but carry on coming out of your mouth though. Very similar
Yeah, well equally coming out of my mouth
You know you had me coming out of my mouth. So you lost me at ev so as soon as you, uh,
yeah
liquid pooped
Ev out of your mouth. I was like, nope easy choice 89 or older
I'll take it. There's some pretty solid
Svvs for family duty some station wagon action I could get into
Tons of fun sports cars exotics
I'm there man. I'll do it. You know what and I better get pardoned in the year 2050 when they strike down all ice engines
It's gonna be it's yeah, it's gonna be ice
Engine, it's gonna be the problem though. Dude, you know me it's gonna be like the politics modern ss
Oh, it takes included. I am pro ice. So
Oh, man, touchy touching subject. Sorry
No, I think I think I I easily make that choice my friend. Um, there's so many options out there
Uh late 80s well then what's your what's your pre what's your pre 1990 daily?
Like in perpetuity like if you had to pick one then
That's again. This is going to be your your daily
I mean, what what is it?
I don't even know man. I could pick anything stupid like if it's just me grinding a commute. I could get like a
I could get like a old crx or something cool and small and frugal
That's fun. It's gonna be tough. I don't know
Because here's the thing like maybe it like if you I know but like if you project outwards when gasoline is like
this weird crazy
Liquid mystery that nobody buys anymore and it's like I rock fucking tomorrow. $200 a gallon
I'm rocking an iRock on my daily commute then tea tops music blasting van halen not van hagar
Uh, yeah, dude, I'll start smoking. I don't give a fuck. Uh for this challenge. Let's go
I love the I love the car guy optimism that is your answer. Um
Evie's a flash in a pan franklin. I don't know if here's the thing
It's not a flash in a pan. That's the problem though. In 10 years. Tell me how they just made that infrastructure so well
No, we're still doing this podcast and we're still making five dollars a month on patreon and we've talked about no, no for sure
Intervenous drugs. Yeah, yeah
And we're being each other's junk. No, I here's I
The play is not five years from now though
Oh
God, what do you what are you playing in the background? I don't know how that's even possible. It's us
What's happening?
Oh, you I don't even know what's happening. I will tell you what is happening is
I'm not worried about five years from today. I've worked about
25 years from today and 25 years from today
I don't know I quoted 10 a a 1985 whatever
Is a valid
Daily I wish it would be
Maybe I don't I actually don't know if I actually wish that a
A 1985 whatever is a valid daily
10 years from now I I I don't I don't know
um
But I loved your optimism because in me in my mental state of like
pre 1990 is like, yeah, like I'm into it. I don't I don't think I don't think it's realistic though
Which is shitty. I don't think the eb thinks a fully viable realized thing yet to be in full honesty today
Today it's not. I mean, I feel like I'm 15 years from now. I think it is
I don't know. I think it's I genuinely think it's the future as much as
You and me and another car humans want to push against it. I
I think I'm a realist. I'm kind of plugged into technology
Do you have like a Sibian and you're uh, I I sat on a usb stick and it's still lodged friendly in my anus
I would I don't I don't think we're there yet. I don't think the way
Um, there's a lot of things right there's a lot. I don't think in 15 years. We're there either. I don't
Topic we need to we need it's not a good. It's not a good topic. It's plenty
This is a qualified versus you like I like I like a I like a combative topic because I think it makes for a good episode
It's not though. It's like more qualified people have this conversation
Fair we need to get a more qualified qualified person on it. It doesn't matter like miss miss clio with her fucking crystal ball
Let's say no, you're a Libra. Oh about the ev take-off didn't she just die. I think she died last year last year
like yeah, I think
Living off that fucking fat like
Collect call thing she was running call me now for your free reading
I'm gonna look it up. Keep talking. You never really talked to miss clio. Are you gonna look?
I'm looking at miss. Are we gonna call?
Uh, well, we could should we should we it's not like she answered
What the fuck she was she was six one
Unbelievable, I don't believe that
Sorry, keep talking her clairvoyance allowed her extraordinary uh height in life. All right. Oh, she died. She died in 2016
She was only 53. You do know it's 2025, right? That's what I'm saying. She died in 2016
She was only 53 when she was the electric car scene like in 20
We are now like that. When did the that model s came out in 2012?
We're now in 2025 about to go to 2026 and evs are everywhere. I'm tripping over
Walking through my friend yard. No, wait. No, I'm not. Okay. Good job, Frank
Okay, okay. I have other would you rather I feel like we should not do them
No, we should save them for another day
Let's get quizzical dude
By the way, um, normally
We we flesh this out
Before we start recording
Uh, who are are you quizzing me or am I quizzing you? I don't know. Oh, I better look at something
Um, I think I think I quizzed you last and I think it was about a mazda navajo if I don't
Oh, the not the navajo
The navajo, uh, I don't know. I can yes. Yep. It's my turn to go. Do you have something for me or do you not
Watch that part now. I do. I do. I do. Okay. Let's see. Let's see. We're gonna go. Okay. Here it is
Uh
Yeah, I have it. Let me explain the game then before Frank starts to read this before give it up before I give it away
This is our uh
regionally famous
automotive print ad quiz game
In the regions of frank's house in my house
Quite famous, uh, where we read a magazine printed ad for a vehicle from the 80s 90s mid 2000s are all fair game
My friends we read it today. Uh, frank will be reading it out loud and I will be trying to guess the vehicle
He's gonna omit anything that gives it away. I have three guesses 10 minutes on the clock every time I fail
I can ask for help. I think I fucking got it all. Let's do it. Oh roll that roll that beautiful bean footage franklin
It's very beanie
It's very pretty. It's very beautiful if you will. Oh
Yeah, yeah, I hope all that here's what it is. Is this a two page?
spread
There's mountains in the background it shows the car just just for clarification
He did spread his anus when he said that was not my anus
This was your if you're not following along on youtube shame on you. You missed it. Yeah full spread
This is a full spread to a two-pager
To add
To the amount of disgust that you're introducing here. It says white
period hot
Period and there's just the car in white
full white white wheels white car
And it's got a it's got a um a mountain range in the background with like white caps
Oh, okay, okay
And this is what that's like the top. I don't know two-thirds of the two-page ad
And then it says the tenth anniversary blank
Very special period
Very scarce period
In the spring of 1978 blank
Unveiled the first blank
And the response from the automotive editors and driving enthusiasts alike
Was unrestrained exuberance
Road and track called it
radically new
blank powered sports car
An enthusiast dream come true
And the blank one of the quote 10 best changes for the world
end quote
an opinion
Shared by sports cars buyers who quickly turned the blank into the best-selling two-seat sports car in america
The blank also proved to be an instant success on the racetrack
In its debut in the 1979
24 hours of Daytona is swept the two top spots for the imsa gtu class
Simson blank has won unprecedented eight straight imsa gtu session championships
And along the way blank has become the winningest single model in imsa history
Hmm for blank
blank commemorates the blank's legendary
Accomplishments with this special limited edition
10th anniversary
blank turbo
It's not for everyone for only 1500 will be produced
But unlike the original blank it also represents an intense commitment to driving satisfaction
That's the blank way special features of the very special car
This is that that was not me like blanking it. That's genuinely what it says is special features of a very special car
Great writing. Yeah mono chromatic crystal white finish
rich black leather interior
genuine
Momo shifter and boot
Oh, somehow momos and faults in the boot
Turbocharged intercooled blank engine zero to 60 in six point seven seconds respectable
top speed 140 miles per hour
Bronze tinted windows 16 inch alloy wheels with high performance 205 55 vr
16 radials
blank
I got this one
You got it
You got some important years in there if you're in the know you're in the know 78 was important
Uh for a special engine gtu race series
There's a trim level of this fucking car called the gtu which is kind of cool if you know
Uh, and then 10th anniversary in y8. This is the mazda rx7
Which would be the fc chassis code turbo 10th a e my friend final answer
Don't tell me that i've never done anything easy for you my friend great dude
How have we done? How have we not done this car? This is uh, hold on hold on hold on
Let me let me send you the actual ad because it's very very very very pretty the car is white with an off-center hood scoop
and some killer wheels
Right off the top of my head these things are great
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah when when is the last time that like you've seen one of these in the in
The wild in the flesh very very very pretty click on this bad boy. Um
Oh
Oh, it's a killer ad dude. Can I can I give you a I love the fc turbo so much, dude
Yeah, this is what i'm saying. Can I can I give you a?
um
A moment in an automotive
idiot anger
I don't want to say journalist because i'm not a journalist. I'm just a guy who's in who likes cars and is dumb
um facts
facts
Every automotive journalist shit on the fc for being a quote-unquote copy
Of the 944
Except for the power plant. I don't think it's that much of a copy of the 944
stylistically
I think I think it's a I think it's a product of its time
And I think it tried to be smoother than the rest of the
1980s sports cars, which was the sarion the salica the supra
the
Prelude all of those cars were way more boxy
And this car tried to be smoother than all of those
Right tried to be smoother than the 944
And the 944 turbo showed up and had a similar front end and then everyone got angry at this car
Yeah, I think this car
The fc is
deeply underappreciated
Turbo or otherwise
Well, this particular one is not under this one's very valuable. Oh, no, you can't you can't find the 10th
Even fc turbos. Oh, dude, you're pushing
15 for a rough driver for a rough driver
That's the thing you get a really nice fc fc turbo 2
That's a 25,000 car and you might as well
spend 10 extra thousand dollars and get an fd
But there's a lot I like about the fc though. I do like the the design of the fc. I like a lot
I love the off-center hood scoop. I love that kind of asymmetrical Japanese stuff that you can't get
You can't get anywhere. That was a product of its era
Yeah, and the fd is like objectively beautiful and way sleeker the technology is way better way more speed
Like a different echelon of speed and power, right? Like like almost 90 more horsepower
But there's something about these fc turbos that I just fucking love. I just
I just love them, dude
It's same as I like a stereo when I see a good stereo on I'm like a clean like stereo
I think that's a really cool only could come from the 80s car
Um, you know, they just don't exist outside of that period and this is a killer one
What I'm getting at is like the in period and
Out
period
Conversation was oh, yeah, that it was it was
It's it they blatantly ripped off a Porsche and I don't I don't buy it
Yeah, I genuine I would love
As much as we like semi joke about having brian nesbit as like our peak
Automotive fucking like designer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah designer chad
Interview on
Yeah, he oh, he's he's max sigma
um
Like the I would I
Oh, man, I would be so interested
Into having like a seven hour podcast with the the design team of the fcrx seven to just like unwind
the the process
Just to like eschew
The conversation about oh, yeah, they just blatantly ripped off of them the 944 because I I
I promise you they didn't
I mean, but now look at today's automotive landscape every crossover looks exactly the same
Have you ever seen that poster that had like 12 side profiles of all the modern?
Yeah, because it's like a AI wind tunnel involved and so it it it changes
It kind of changes it. It's packaging too, right safety and packaging, but I I don't know
I like I like the I would
I would do horrible things to get an fc turbo
But they're so pricey man, and they're rough
Right, like you got a feeling that it's if you do get the cheap one
You're gonna do a rebuild a rotary rebuild. Uh, they're getting harder. That's rotary rotary fine to find the parts for them
Especially like interior pieces exterior pieces are getting harder to find on the turbo cars. So
ah
Nothing more heartbreaking than seeing a hood scoop on a
Rx7 and it ends up being just someone put a fucking turbo hood on a resale
Yep, but gtus came later and named after that racing series. So, um
Yeah, infinitely cool car and 10th anniversary would probably be the way to go if you're gonna if you have money
I'd that'd be a good buy if you could find a clean 10th AE and buy it off the original owner
None of them though. I have you have you
Truly have you seen one in the wild? I've seen them at a car show
I don't know. I honestly don't know if I've ever seen one
It was at a car show in dc. So this was like I don't know in the in the 2010s
Yeah early, so it's like now even rarer, right? Yeah, but back then you could buy it
You could buy a turbo to fc for like a grand. Yep. Yeah
Yeah, like a good one. Um, yeah
But yeah, cool karmic good. Thanks for putting a spotlight on it. I love these
Um, I love his car a lot. Yeah, I'd rock I'd rock this shit out of one of these
Yeah, and it's funny because I
When we're in our our challenge here, like I feel like we're like deep into the woods of uh
Shit that nobody cares about
And this is a car that people care about and I'm glad I can bring it out. Um, yeah
Because yeah, they are very very very cool. And I think they I think the fc
Gets a bad rap
It's because the fd was such a success. It's like mark three supers are the same thing forever. I think now
Yeah, I agree now before they were really one of our slow boats. Yeah, I really want to mark three
I just don't want to pay mark three prices because they are way overpriced for what they are
Yeah, they were they were in $8,000 car forever and then they should have stayed right there
But now there are $28,000 car that's horseshit. So yeah, no, I think it's the same. Yeah
I think that's a good good analog between those two. But yeah, good one man. Thank you for that. Um, so, uh
Really really quick
How do you want to celebrate your victory my friend? Do you want do you want to do pcp?
Let's do some pcp project car progress for all the narcs out there listening in. Um, have you have you turned any wrenches?
Holly
um
A little let's hear about it. Okay. Um
The thing behind me
I have not I have Chevy Sprint turbo 1987 maybe 88 88. Oh my bad
How dare you, um, it's too hard. I've not I've not done things. I need to it has a a cool leak
I brought I I I got the the pressure test
array
Uh, to do I haven't done it. I just I just bought I bought the parts. I've not moved on it
So what I have the only thing I have done
is on the
Uh
The Vittara the 2000 Suzuki
Vittara, so I bought a new top for it. I put the new top on it
Nice, so I put the top on it. Um, it was kind of a pain in the dick and this is one of those things where the dick
You think it's not that big a deal. Yeah, I put the new thing
I take the old one off with the door on
And it takes you like 45 minutes. Mm-hmm and it shouldn't
But it should because that's just how it's designed. Yep. Um
And so yeah, so it's got a new top on it. I took it to a cars and coffee this morning
Shout out to uh, vault auto club here in the bay area. Um, we've had
Joe joe tawney, uh
friend of the pod on
He is one of the main organizers of that along with uh, robert eppley
Also friend of the pod who's been on this uh here podcast
Um, so yeah, I took it out to their car show out in berkeley on sunday's on solano
It got a scary amount of positive attention because they do
It's an awkwardly proportioned two-door convertible suv
And uh, it it rained and it's a good
Good news. I put a new top on it. It did not it was equipped for the rain. It did not leak
It was great and it it did its job well. So, um
Yeah, that great success
It's always nice. Yeah, so um that that happened. Um, so now i'm up against
What do I do with this car?
Um, I think i'm just gonna sell it. I think i'm just gonna take photos of it
flip it
Sell it
um, it kind of has like mildly warped
Front brake rotors. Okay. They're like $40 a piece if that no, no, I can get them for like I looked it up today
uh
derogado
derigo
Like how about you pronounce it?
on on
on
Rock auto
A little dollars and like 68 cents a pop someone's shopping in the economy section, but carry on. Yeah
No, but it's it's like an economy day. We drive the most expensive the most expensive brambos are
Like the like the extra likes like anti-rust coated. Yeah. Yeah, like most expensive brambos are they were like $38 a pop
Yep, so uh, yeah, so maybe maybe I'll maybe I'll do rotors. Maybe I know all about this
I know all about them tracker brakes, bro. Yep
So, uh end of the day, uh, I have a decision to make like how am I going to spice up or despice?
despice the
the
The the gland not gland. Nope. It can't be. No, it's just the regular vatara
And uh, yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at. How about you?
Cool mon frère. Uh, so the uh, the rally car budget has been lifted. Uh, the rally is over
And this is a negative and positive thing because that means I get to spend more money on my v50 volvo
So after the rally, I did notice I drove it. I've been driving actually a lot dude. I fucking love that car
A little faint smell of fuel when I'm driving now
These have an external fuel pump and like this plastic housing that cracks and it will you know, especially under hard driving
It'll spray a little bit of fuel. You'll smell it on the exhaust
It's I love combining fuel with hot surfaces. Don't be a pussy, dude. You only live like twice
Anyway, we're placing that to pay in the dick because there's not really good viable aftermarket options
And you have to drop the tank. So I replaced that with an oem one
It caused quite a few hundred dollars would have blown my budget
But I live life dangerously. Um, and it didn't really start making any any like noticeable fumes until after so
I want to make the car really nice. I don't want to just like sell it as a car
I spent $3,500 on that's a really hard proposition when you put it out in the market
And you're like, oh, no, listen guys. I only spent
In there done that. Jesus, dude. So doing that, um
Give it give props to the stock fuel pump lasting 189,000 miles. Here we go
These things were well built these car these p1 volvos are pretty hardy. I mean a lot of ford, right?
But good. I think this is like one of the best things for volvo
um, I was gonna say we we need to do a an entire episode on
Ford's occupation and I I feel like that's the right term to use
Like the French in Vietnam got it. Yeah
It's just like it only the French in Vietnam America nothing to do with Vietnam. We didn't occupy Korea. No
No, nothing happened. Let's not talk about Cambodia or Laos. Um, but what we should talk about is
Cambodia
I was like
It's or the dead Kennedys. Uh, but yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking uh, yeah dead Kennedys
Yes, I was going Chappelle show. Um, 100% Cambodian the Cambodian personal
um
but but
Similar vibe is ford's occupation quote-unquote of
Volvo
Jaguar
Asa martin
Totally all of all of that like that's a that's an entire
everyone
like
goes full dog shit about how
their
Ford stewardship was bad
I I will fight you in public about that because I I think ford was one of the greatest things that ever happened to all of these companies including
The the P chassis whatever the P1. What's it called P1? Absolutely
Shared the Mazda 3 the 4 to focus. Yep. Focus the focus
Um, all of that a lot of good stuff now unlike unlike g we could do a counterpoint to where gm fucks over the companies
We like yeah sob. We get that's a good counterpoint, right? Um, but yeah, yeah, who was the better american steward?
board
easy answer
One minute episode. Um, but let's I'll shut us down here. We're running a little bit long
But yeah, I'm still working on the rally car guys. I do want to thank you
It was a little disjointed not any more unusual to be honest
But thanks for joining us a pa podcast another pointless automotive podcast
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About this episode
Dive into a lively and humorous automotive 'Would You Rather' game where two hosts debate tough choices like driving only Camaros or Mustangs, owning convertibles versus SUVs, and resurrecting Pontiac at the expense of BMW. They also explore quirky scenarios involving intravenous drugs and water consumption, and discuss their passion for unique cars like the Mazda RX-7 FC Turbo. The episode wraps with a nostalgic automotive ad quiz and updates on their personal project cars, blending deep car culture knowledge with offbeat banter and personal stories.
It's been far too long since the fellas challenged one another to a round (or many) of would you rather with an automotive theme (mostly). Let us know what your answers would be and how the boys know not what is best for even themselves.