Episode #197 - Automotive Would You Rather? Vol. 6

In a world with entirely too many shows about cars, this is another Pointless Automotive

podcast.

How are you, my hopefully not ballless friend?

How are you?

I could use a lot less ballage now it is.

They just get in the way.

It causes problems.

Okay, to go like, all right, time out.

Time out.

This is a real time out?

No, not a real time out.

We're bringing the listener behind the curtain.

The meat curtains.

The meat.

Yes, similar.

So, you made a thinly veiled illusion to, I don't know, not producing children anymore?

Because we're both men in our 40s.

And genuinely, like under a week from now, I have my consultation for my bisectomy.

And this is out in the ether now.

This is part of our, part of the conversation, part of the situation we're talking about.

You need to control your free-skitten.

I've been saying it for years.

I know, I know, I've been bagging it for a while and I'm excited to no longer

be doing that even if it requires surgical intervention.

How about you, can I poke and prod?

How about you?

What are you doing?

I mean, you recently had a child.

Yeah, so the plumbing.

Or recently than me.

I think the plumbing, yeah, like years more recently than you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got some secrets you want to share on the after dark special.

No, no, no.

You have to pay.

That's going to be the after dark episode.

Oh, that's the pay wall.

The pay, yeah, the pay wall is where we, we talk about my illegitimate offspring.

There will be, there will be bastards revealed if you guys sign up for coming.

I can't even.

Sorry, sorry.

I got a little hair of the dog.

It's helping me stay alive at this point.

It's okay.

This game we're recording this like seven, seven nights is fine.

Hey, we pre-gamed.

We pre-gamed appropriately on this one.

We did.

It's okay.

Weekend.

Congratulations.

Let me know what your quote was because I know a guy that'll do it cheaper, Frank.

Yeah, it's like, it's like a, it's like a Suvi bag.

He's not, he's not exactly a doctor.

I'm doing air quotes.

Like Dr. Dre level of doctors.

He's got a pretty steady hand.

I need a doctor.

Yeah.

Okay.

Anyways, I may be talking about my genitals.

Can you, can you write the ship, sir?

I think I can.

So we haven't done it for, and I checked the, checked the books.

I wrote this episode.

Would you rather, automatically, would you rather, we've done, God damn it.

We've done five volumes of this.

It's been over a year.

If you guys, you guys know the game, would you rather, and there's two like scenarios.

You get to pick one.

They usually both suck.

We go five extra steps further than we should, as you would expect from us.

So we're going to, we're going to fucking do it again.

This is volume six of automotive.

Would you rather, would you rather get a public bisectomy?

Or, I mean, do you get it for free?

There's got to be some kind of like balance, right?

I mean, I, I, oh boy.

Yeah, I guess.

Also my, my, my threshold of things that I feel uncomfortable doing in public is not really reflective of the human race.

So yeah, no, it's anyone that knows me.

Definitely expose myself for far less.

All right.

Let's, let's start this off.

I always like to start it off mild and then I, you know, we wrap it up.

I like to ease into this shit.

I've entitled these.

The first one's called Stay Gold Pony Boy.

This is for you, Frank.

This is a kind of a hard one, man.

Would you rather drive Camaros or Mustangs exclusively for the rest of your life?

No other vehicles.

You have to pick one of those.

Would you rather?

Question, clarifying question.

This isn't how the game works.

Go ahead.

What do you got?

Clarifying question.

Is every Mustang derivative and every Camaro derivative allowed?

So like, like, like a Shelby GT 350 or a, I don't even know what derivative like Yanko Camaro.

So I knew you were going to come at me with this kind of shit.

So I prefaced it's not for long.

I will bust at you.

So I prefaced this by writing, yes, Frank, anything that has Camaro or Mustang in the name is fair game.

Okay.

In that case, if it was only vintage and modern, everything.

Yeah.

If it was only bitching Camaro, bitching Camaro, like just like factory, no other people getting involved.

I would do Camaro, but because it's not.

And because the modern, which is not how we usually skew, but because the modern Shelby GT 350 is so freaking good.

I got to go Mustang.

And that's nice.

And that's in the era of what's what's interesting is if you look to like the 80s and 90s.

All of the, I would say Camaro kind of wins the day.

Like Camaro was much better.

Like the F body, the Camaro SS.

And if we want to stretch to include Firebird and Firehawk and SLPs and all that shit is better.

But I just early Camaro derivative, sorry, early Mustang derivatives and late Shelby derivatives.

I'm going Mustang.

That's what I'm doing.

How about you?

If you had a hat to throw in this ring.

So I'm with you, dude.

I think there's more variety under Mustang.

What you didn't hit upon is the Mach-E Mustang.

Because you could.

I know, but I also don't care.

You can have your family electric vehicle.

I think that's kind of a win.

But also I named some things.

I put GT 350R, of course.

I put Cobra Fox body, which I fucking love.

I like Terminators.

I like Mysticroams.

I like, I'll take out Terminators.

Good.

You know, I don't know.

The Bosco twos and Mark Mark ones are pretty good.

There's some cool Mustangs, right?

So I think, I think there's more variety, which is what I'd want.

If that's the only kind of car.

What is the Camaro counterpoint though?

There's good stuff.

The 28 SS, the Z 28, the modern Z 28 member that really kicked off the whole new

modern muscle car.

So the modern, modern, modern Z01 is a very impressive vehicle.

Yep.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

That one is nasty.

But I couldn't imagine.

Yeah.

Mustang.

I think I give Mustang the edge on that one.

Pretty easy challenge to start off with.

The Ford edge.

Hmm.

ST.

Yeah.

D.

Okay.

Let me, let me try and come back at you.

Okay.

What do you have?

How about this?

If you had to pick anything to drive forever from here on, like draw the line in the sand

now back to the end of history.

Jesus.

All convertibles only.

Hmm.

You pick like you could just, you have free reign of every pick of the litter convertible

or only SUV truck, CUV.

Oh, forever.

What are you doing?

Only convertibles.

Oh.

That's as lame as like a Toyota Solara.

There is some crossover, right?

And by this, I mean, if you say like any convertible, right?

So a Jeep Wrangler.

Count.

Even though it does count for the only SUV, CUV truck world.

Geo trackers and sidekicks as well.

I'm assuming those count.

Okay.

Also, those also would count under the CUV truck.

So you can go, you can go fucking G wagon.

You go G cab.

That's true.

Right.

You can go Jeep Wrangler.

Hmm.

You can go evoke convertible.

You can go Murano convertible.

You would.

Or only convertibles.

Like where do you, where do you, what, what would work?

Third gen forerunner.

Right.

Doesn't, doesn't count on the convertible world.

Pick any pickup truck other than the Shelby, weird Dakota, first gen Dakota convertible

doesn't count.

This is a tough event.

When you boil it down.

It's really a practicality versus you're never going to have a convertible sports car.

Right.

It's like one of the other.

Like you can't have a car.

If you take like the truck, if you take the truck point, right?

You don't get a car.

Yeah.

But like, see you, see you V counts convertible bro.

I'm doing it.

I'm doing convertible.

Yep.

Only convertible.

I'll make it happen.

Open air living baby.

What is what?

Okay.

I, I don't disagree.

Hmm.

I couldn't live without cars.

There's no sports cars.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Say that out loud again to the audience.

You can't, I couldn't live without a sports car.

Available to me.

Okay.

Fair.

That's my, my dick line in the sand.

I need to have, because I, you know, I love a lot, but eventually I'm going to

crave something that can take a corner.

Yeah.

No.

And then there's plenty of cool like convertible stuff you could shoehorn a

family into if you had to.

There are Murano convertibles.

They're not cool.

PT cruiser convertible.

I don't know why you didn't name that.

Come on, man.

The regular PT cruiser, the four doors better, better than the convertible.

I'm trying to think what the most family friendly convertible it might be

so long.

Honestly.

I, I, so Laura, I could see that.

What?

They made an eight outie A four convertible back in the day.

And I know they did, but then you have to maintain an Audi.

It's like a 1.8 turbo or two, but it's still an Audi.

Yeah.

But yeah, but I think so.

Honestly.

Solar convertible is probably the most.

It probably is.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a Camry.

So that's a easy peasy.

Right.

Or Muran honestly, Murano cross cab.

Oh, so ugly.

It's so ugly.

It's cute.

Or you know what, actually genuinely, and this, this is walking the line

like a new, a new Bronco, like a new two seven.

I don't know.

Auto Bronco four door.

It's pretty family friendly.

It's under warranty.

What?

Yeah.

Convertibles that are for families.

It's a tough segment.

How cool is it for 30 chopped their legs?

No, that would be great.

It'll be great.

That's what I'm saying.

I know this because I just this last week rode in the backseat

of a 2007 Solar convertible.

And it was palatial.

There was so much room.

I don't know about that.

No, it was genuinely huge.

Camry.

It was big, if true.

And it was true.

Yeah.

That's what it is.

It's a two door Camry with a drop top.

I'm going drop top for life, dude.

So I'm going to pick convertible.

Which way are you going on this one, man?

Jolly.

It's actually shockingly tough.

I thought convertibles are one of those things where if you've

never owned one, you don't get it.

Right.

Yep.

But when you have owned one and put a bunch of my like and do

really cool top down drive and that's like you get it.

So I think I agree with you.

Mostly because most SUV and CUV, whatever derivatives, the

best ones are also convertibles.

That's true.

If it wasn't, if that gray area in the middle wasn't

there, it would be a much harder, harder decision.

But because there's a lot of SUV's, CUV's that are best served

as convertibles, then I'm in.

Good call.

That is a tough one, man.

That one.

That was a sneaky tough one.

What you got for me?

Life and death.

Oh, this is a little tricky.

Would you rather have sob return but Porsche dissolves?

Okay.

So sob returns, Porsche goes away or get Pontiac back, but you

lose BMW.

Realistically, the hardest part about this equation is the

deletion and not, not the addition.

You have to think about both sides of this puzzle.

That's why I picked the brands I did.

Simply because if you look at the deletion side of this

equation, right?

Am I deleting Porsche or am I deleting BMW?

Modern Porsche.

And I'm saying this as, you know, I'm saying this as

a product, not as like a, a, a, a measure of profit because

the BMW today is a more profitable company.

Like or broadly, then.

Horsha is Porsche has famously for the last what umpteen

quarters or forever.

Yeah.

No, like, very recently has been like, a, this is a

bigger company, it should be larger.

Horsha is. Horsha has famously for the last umpteen quarters forever. Yeah. No, like very recently

has been like a they they their value as a corporate company has been

that's a technical term is right

And so

Ignoring old

I'm going to say if I look at like product produced versus product produced I I'm going to

Delete

The bucktooth

bully on the block

Which which is bmw

Ignoring like all the the corporate bullshittery and just picking which like

Objects that are made by people

mm-hmm

I like the Porsche objects that are made versus the bmw objects that are made

mm-hmm

And so I think that's the direction I'm going to go. I'm going to

punt

bmw into the shadow realm. Mm-hmm

And as much as though I would love to bring back sob

It's a tough one

Pontiac

We build driving excitement like I would

We want it back we want it back

I want it back and and I would

in a vacuum

It would be really tough to make that decision

But considering what I'm deleting today versus what I'm

Not deleting. Mm-hmm. I have to delete bmw

And get to like play in the delicious sandbox. That is the resurrection

Of Pontiac

Not because I'm a Pontiac truther

but

The concept of like I hear that the new entry level tempest

And and and the gto

And the the firebird and the even if you want to have like a shitty

Like mid-tier crossover that's like beholden

to another GM product like

It's fine. Like call it call it the

Call it the lamans. I don't care

Um, we've already done that with a a a day woo product

So you can you're not going to bastardize it any more than it's already been bastardized

Um, yes, sorry. I feel like this went longer than it should have

But this was me just like fleshing this out in real time. And yes, this is my decision

Murder bmw publicly. Um, bring back Pontiac

Um, my choice alliance completely with yours dude. It is it is

I think out of

Porsche and bmw have pretty strong enthusiast followings. I think they always have

bmw has probably strayed the furthest from its core

Uh enthusiast over the years than Porsche has Porsche has a little bit everybody has right? There's bloat. There's everything else

There's safety whatever technology. I think bmw has like veered completely off of

You know what made them an enthusiast brand far more than Porsche has for that reason they're off the fucking island

Also Pontiac dude, imagine a new firebird if they just fucking gm

Just stops fucking about and leans in on how cool they could make a chimero based firebird just

Go bodycladding. Have to have a chimero first. Yo, it's right

But no, like you know what i'm saying like bring back the fucking wild versions of the gm economy boxes

Uh and just put a little flair on there for us man. That's how we want. Uh, yeah, right resurrect hold

honestly

It would be

Here's the thing

Okay, hold on let me let me let me try and flush this out in real time. Hmm. Okay, so

Every manufacturer

Is trying to grab

by the dick and balls

the the

The youth of today

That's a legal in most places it is

Like the 18 legally plus youth right youth the people that can buy a car

Like this has been this has been the challenge forever. This is why scion was an independent brand

Was to grab the youth of america. This is why saturn like

Went on way longer than it should have

Because they were trying to grab the the young demographic

This is why the three series

Was successful and this is why every american manufacturer has tried to make their own three series derivative

They say want the yuppie group. They want the young urban protect

professional they want the youth

group

Pontiac

Could do that like they can they can do a Pontiac

Pontiac could be the new scion

I had more to this

In my mind

I just want to say you've said too much already. No, it's uh

It's a behind your back slightly slice your throat move. Um, no, dude. Uh, I agree

I think if they came in cheap if they came in with a lot of fucking style

That's what i'm saying make everything fun and silly again because that's all it was

Pontiac took gm products made them a little more wild looking maybe changed the performance. Usually not

And just yeah did some cladding did some cool branding exercise

They fucking put giant fucking flaming birds on things. That's what they did. That was what they were good at. Um

I don't know. I'd like to see Pontiac come back. I think that'd be cool. It's fuck make a corvette

Pontiac make us a corvette

Like front engine

rear-wheel drive

What would you do? How fun would that be dude? What would you do for?

Ah, man, like what what would be the different what would be the differentiator?

For a a new trans am if you will

So

That well, that's a camaro fighter, right? I'm saying build your fucking own corvette to you but make it front engine

Right, but we'll drive okay, but what would you what would you call it like the new one?

Like if you had a c8 derivative the fire cock or something something fucking straight up

Yeah, the fucking flaming boner. That's what i'm saying is so in your face so cool. Um

waving in your face

I don't know they could do it. They could do something

You know use the c7 no one would complain if we did a more modern c7 with a Pontiac badge

Zero people get so fucking amped because maybe the c8 if you bring this if you just like dust off the c7 platform

With body cladding excitement

Someone's writing this down somewhere I hope well like I just imagine getting the c the c7 platform

Oh still good and

I'm all okay back to

We're going like I feel like we're way off the rails for where we started and this is okay

Um getting the c7 platform

That's deeply retired the c8 has marched on that's a Chevy product

You're

This isn't a weird bizarro world where Pontiac still somehow exists and you now have the Pontiac

And you have the c7 platform you take the zero six

What what lte I don't know what it's even called the lt2. I don't even whatever don't even matter

It doesn't matter you take that c that's that

Zero six uh-huh motor put it in the front engine

C7 chassis

You dress it up. You make it more ridiculous. You make it. I don't you call it the trans am

Or I don't know you you you find a a

A trans hero and you rebrand it as the am trans

And you launch it as the I don't even yeah

And just you have the the front engine

Like derivative c7

Critter

Called the critter. I don't care the lamans that would be so well received

Uh and not sell but it would be so well received by journalists in fact

Right by journalists who famously don't buy cars because they get because they get cars

Right. Yeah, but to the test drives the reviews would be off the charts 10 out of 10

What why did Pontiac fail?

As we're talking about cars that nobody buys

But yeah, they can't even name a g4 or whatever the fuck the last car they built was

Yeah, right. That's why Pontiac failed by the way. Um, no, um, I think that'd be so fucking killer

Um, but that's what I got. I agreed with you man life and death on that one

Life death brigade you have another shot to shoot

I do have another shot to shoot. Okay, where'd it go? Okay, let me see if I can find it

I have notes. I have them somewhere. Oh god. Oh fuck. Oh god. Oh fuck

Um press any key

I don't see any any key. Where's the any key? Okay. How about this? Um

Okay, if you had

Only water

Forever

You you could only drink water until the end of time no coffee

No beer no wine

no

soda

No, no, no, no Pepsi zero, whatever go zero. I don't even know you had me until that point

Or

In order to unlock everything that isn't water

You had to try every indirect injectable

Drug intravenous drug one time and then and then you quit

What are you doing is this in the back of a pickup we have to be automotive would you rather?

Yes, yes, this is in the back of a 1976

Dodge prospector van. Okay, great

Probably the scenario has played out in the back of

Here's the thing here's the thing. Um

We have not we have not had a discussion

personally

and professionally

And on or off the pod

Yeah about each other's um

Drug history we have we have we have never discussed this we we

You've probably made assumptions about me and vice versa, but we've never actually discussed

Each other's drug history. Maybe we will

Only soon to be recorded. I believe that's indictment, but yes, go ahead. Continue. Maybe we maybe this can be

Unlocked oh and some sort of

Patreon

Terrible situation but until that happens. We're really trying to sell an idea. We haven't solidified, but we're doing

We're pitching it's like it's like my bowel movements like

unusually

genuinely probably not solidified

um

Here's the thing. Would you rather only drink water forever?

Or try

Let's say most of the intravenous drugs and then walk away. What are you doing?

Ah

A life without beer is pretty tough. I think I could do it. I think it'd be tough

It'd be real tough. Um, I don't really I do imbibe imbibe in a diet coke quite often

So a little okay, a little uh, a little see we're learning

I don't know this cigarette is what I refer to those two

I need a little I need a little pick me up every once in a while. Um, I don't I don't drink regular soda

I you know mostly beer obviously a lot of wine yesterday

Obviously

I don't even want to think about the taste of any red wine right now. Um, but

Ah

There's a lot of bad IV IV drugs out there. Um, honestly, I don't I don't

I

And this is not to me to like push you in any direction. I don't know if a single like

Positive intravenous drug. I mean to get back on that soda, bro

Injecting tab the yeah

Paul abdoul comes out

Oh

Yeah, I gotta hope so. Um, no man. I gotta I gotta I gotta play it safe here. I gotta I gotta just do the water

For the rest of my life, man. Yeah, I think I think same in the back of that dodge most

Yeah, most good save the only way you can drink water is in the back of a 1976 dodge prospector. No, um fair enough

so I

I think I agree mostly because if I'm mentally

Mm-hmm full disclosure

And this is not like

This is not like scooping

The patreon tier that has yet to exist. Yeah, no, don't ruin it. Don't ruin it. I'm not I'm not ruining it

I'm just gonna spoil this. I give him the milk for free. I've never done intravenous drugs

Choker, that's the first episode of the patreon episode

That's

It's like

Balls as we actually try we like try to intervene like

shaky shaky hand like trying intravenous drugs just for like the two fucking

Uh patreon subscribers. No, I'm a very loyal guy, you know, if I if I said I was gonna do it

I mean if I can do it

Oh god getting addicted to heroin for like 19 dollars or whatever

anyways, um

I've done worse for less. So

Yeah, true story

This is all much to do about

Yeah, I I I suppose I agree. Um, I like

Yeah, I feel like honestly if it went to you can never drink water or you can only drink alcohol. I would probably

Will you to water because I don't like dying. Oh, yeah. Yeah at that point I'm introducing intravenous drugs

So on that

Bizarro note that um did nothing good for anybody

Do you do you have do you have one to come to me with? Yeah, let's let's let's we should probably wind this bit down

But I got a good one for you. This one's called

Pain or suffering

So okay, I lost those

So would you rather own a front wheel drive?

996 Porsche Carrera

front wheel drive

This is horrible or a third generation Prius power plant drivetrain swapped Plymouth Barracuda

Oh, honestly give me that Prius dog. I have so

Dude, you know how sick it would be to have a third gen Prius like a 446 pack

No, it's the other way around my friend. You get the Prius power plant drivetrain in the Barracuda. Oh, honestly

Yes, I would daily the shit out of that. I've already okay. Here's the thing

my daily

Lexus ct ct 200 age I've heard of them

I'm already doing that with a Lexus ct 200 age body if I can do that with all of the sickness

I would be down with the sickness if you will

um to have that

I don't know 71

Barracuda, can I can I pick the spec? Can I go like go mango?

You can't you can absolutely pick the spec. You can't retro mod the suspension. You can't retro mod anything else

I want the rickety dog shit

Everything with an ecvt and 134 horsepower. Yes. Yes. I I

I cannot tell you how much I want that

against anything else

Honestly, I like as a daily

Give it to give it to me straight dog. I don't even care what your answer is. I know this is this is my

This is my experience. I I would pay I would actually pay money for this

Okay, okay. Yes. I I could not be more horny. I am

I am 100 with you. This is an ungodly pairing

I'm so fucking sprung the idea to have a

Barracuda rolling on the street getting 40 plus miles per gallon is fucking sick. It's sick and yeah

You're gonna you're gonna not sound like a

V8 powered Barracuda, but

Not it's kind of cool. Although on the cheap a front wheel drive 996 would be kind of funny

It would be kind of a funny, you know, it'll be you you get you get a 996 turbo and somehow this like

Like

Make it like you like rear axle delete

To send it all for a wheel drive front wheel peel all day. Um, if you say, okay. Yeah, no, that was you funny

I just I mentally deleted the other option. I I I've completely forgot that that's what that was

If that's that's how much I was into the other option of the the Prius fueled

Barracuda, yes, the only bad thing would be like someone pulls up to you in a light and they kind of want to run a little bit

And you're like, fuck you, buddy. Yeah, you just go

Yeah, you just like

You blow them a kiss and then you pull up with the

Little nose. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Yeah into it

Do we have enough time for one more coming at you? Yeah, you can sneak one in. Let's go. All right. All right. All right

Let it go

Let it go. Okay. Here's what it is

Do you want?

You

Right here right now. Oh boy

Only

You could only drive pre 1990 so 89 or older

Forever

And when I say forever, I mean forever like

89 and older

Anything until the day you die anything doesn't matter

Or

Evie

forever

Going forward like the the future of evs

like

the new 2040

electric whatever like

What are you doing

Dude pre like pre 1990 forever or every ev forever and this is your daily. This is this is you being a 90 year old band

I'm a half. What are you doing? Literally literally halfway there officially. Um, oh, wow. Yeah, um

Cool, bro. Was that last week some day? I don't even remember. Whatever the 20 second was

Happy birthday

Mr. President. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I was

No, no, I was doing the uh, I was doing the uh, cv wonder happy birthday, which is

Decidedly

Decidedly not the Marilyn Monroe happy birthday, but carry on coming out of your mouth though. Very similar

Yeah, well equally coming out of my mouth

You know you had me coming out of my mouth. So you lost me at ev so as soon as you, uh,

yeah

liquid pooped

Ev out of your mouth. I was like, nope easy choice 89 or older

I'll take it. There's some pretty solid

Svvs for family duty some station wagon action I could get into

Tons of fun sports cars exotics

I'm there man. I'll do it. You know what and I better get pardoned in the year 2050 when they strike down all ice engines

It's gonna be it's yeah, it's gonna be ice

Engine, it's gonna be the problem though. Dude, you know me it's gonna be like the politics modern ss

Oh, it takes included. I am pro ice. So

Oh, man, touchy touching subject. Sorry

No, I think I think I I easily make that choice my friend. Um, there's so many options out there

Uh late 80s well then what's your what's your pre what's your pre 1990 daily?

Like in perpetuity like if you had to pick one then

That's again. This is going to be your your daily

I mean, what what is it?

I don't even know man. I could pick anything stupid like if it's just me grinding a commute. I could get like a

I could get like a old crx or something cool and small and frugal

That's fun. It's gonna be tough. I don't know

Because here's the thing like maybe it like if you I know but like if you project outwards when gasoline is like

this weird crazy

Liquid mystery that nobody buys anymore and it's like I rock fucking tomorrow. $200 a gallon

I'm rocking an iRock on my daily commute then tea tops music blasting van halen not van hagar

Uh, yeah, dude, I'll start smoking. I don't give a fuck. Uh for this challenge. Let's go

I love the I love the car guy optimism that is your answer. Um

Evie's a flash in a pan franklin. I don't know if here's the thing

It's not a flash in a pan. That's the problem though. In 10 years. Tell me how they just made that infrastructure so well

No, we're still doing this podcast and we're still making five dollars a month on patreon and we've talked about no, no for sure

Intervenous drugs. Yeah, yeah

And we're being each other's junk. No, I here's I

The play is not five years from now though

Oh

God, what do you what are you playing in the background? I don't know how that's even possible. It's us

What's happening?

Oh, you I don't even know what's happening. I will tell you what is happening is

I'm not worried about five years from today. I've worked about

25 years from today and 25 years from today

I don't know I quoted 10 a a 1985 whatever

Is a valid

Daily I wish it would be

Maybe I don't I actually don't know if I actually wish that a

A 1985 whatever is a valid daily

10 years from now I I I don't I don't know

um

But I loved your optimism because in me in my mental state of like

pre 1990 is like, yeah, like I'm into it. I don't I don't think I don't think it's realistic though

Which is shitty. I don't think the eb thinks a fully viable realized thing yet to be in full honesty today

Today it's not. I mean, I feel like I'm 15 years from now. I think it is

I don't know. I think it's I genuinely think it's the future as much as

You and me and another car humans want to push against it. I

I think I'm a realist. I'm kind of plugged into technology

Do you have like a Sibian and you're uh, I I sat on a usb stick and it's still lodged friendly in my anus

I would I don't I don't think we're there yet. I don't think the way

Um, there's a lot of things right there's a lot. I don't think in 15 years. We're there either. I don't

Topic we need to we need it's not a good. It's not a good topic. It's plenty

This is a qualified versus you like I like I like a I like a combative topic because I think it makes for a good episode

It's not though. It's like more qualified people have this conversation

Fair we need to get a more qualified qualified person on it. It doesn't matter like miss miss clio with her fucking crystal ball

Let's say no, you're a Libra. Oh about the ev take-off didn't she just die. I think she died last year last year

like yeah, I think

Living off that fucking fat like

Collect call thing she was running call me now for your free reading

I'm gonna look it up. Keep talking. You never really talked to miss clio. Are you gonna look?

I'm looking at miss. Are we gonna call?

Uh, well, we could should we should we it's not like she answered

What the fuck she was she was six one

Unbelievable, I don't believe that

Sorry, keep talking her clairvoyance allowed her extraordinary uh height in life. All right. Oh, she died. She died in 2016

She was only 53. You do know it's 2025, right? That's what I'm saying. She died in 2016

She was only 53 when she was the electric car scene like in 20

We are now like that. When did the that model s came out in 2012?

We're now in 2025 about to go to 2026 and evs are everywhere. I'm tripping over

Walking through my friend yard. No, wait. No, I'm not. Okay. Good job, Frank

Okay, okay. I have other would you rather I feel like we should not do them

No, we should save them for another day

Let's get quizzical dude

By the way, um, normally

We we flesh this out

Before we start recording

Uh, who are are you quizzing me or am I quizzing you? I don't know. Oh, I better look at something

Um, I think I think I quizzed you last and I think it was about a mazda navajo if I don't

Oh, the not the navajo

The navajo, uh, I don't know. I can yes. Yep. It's my turn to go. Do you have something for me or do you not

Watch that part now. I do. I do. I do. Okay. Let's see. Let's see. We're gonna go. Okay. Here it is

Uh

Yeah, I have it. Let me explain the game then before Frank starts to read this before give it up before I give it away

This is our uh

regionally famous

automotive print ad quiz game

In the regions of frank's house in my house

Quite famous, uh, where we read a magazine printed ad for a vehicle from the 80s 90s mid 2000s are all fair game

My friends we read it today. Uh, frank will be reading it out loud and I will be trying to guess the vehicle

He's gonna omit anything that gives it away. I have three guesses 10 minutes on the clock every time I fail

I can ask for help. I think I fucking got it all. Let's do it. Oh roll that roll that beautiful bean footage franklin

It's very beanie

It's very pretty. It's very beautiful if you will. Oh

Yeah, yeah, I hope all that here's what it is. Is this a two page?

spread

There's mountains in the background it shows the car just just for clarification

He did spread his anus when he said that was not my anus

This was your if you're not following along on youtube shame on you. You missed it. Yeah full spread

This is a full spread to a two-pager

To add

To the amount of disgust that you're introducing here. It says white

period hot

Period and there's just the car in white

full white white wheels white car

And it's got a it's got a um a mountain range in the background with like white caps

Oh, okay, okay

And this is what that's like the top. I don't know two-thirds of the two-page ad

And then it says the tenth anniversary blank

Very special period

Very scarce period

In the spring of 1978 blank

Unveiled the first blank

And the response from the automotive editors and driving enthusiasts alike

Was unrestrained exuberance

Road and track called it

radically new

blank powered sports car

An enthusiast dream come true

And the blank one of the quote 10 best changes for the world

end quote

an opinion

Shared by sports cars buyers who quickly turned the blank into the best-selling two-seat sports car in america

The blank also proved to be an instant success on the racetrack

In its debut in the 1979

24 hours of Daytona is swept the two top spots for the imsa gtu class

Simson blank has won unprecedented eight straight imsa gtu session championships

And along the way blank has become the winningest single model in imsa history

Hmm for blank

blank commemorates the blank's legendary

Accomplishments with this special limited edition

10th anniversary

blank turbo

It's not for everyone for only 1500 will be produced

But unlike the original blank it also represents an intense commitment to driving satisfaction

That's the blank way special features of the very special car

This is that that was not me like blanking it. That's genuinely what it says is special features of a very special car

Great writing. Yeah mono chromatic crystal white finish

rich black leather interior

genuine

Momo shifter and boot

Oh, somehow momos and faults in the boot

Turbocharged intercooled blank engine zero to 60 in six point seven seconds respectable

top speed 140 miles per hour

Bronze tinted windows 16 inch alloy wheels with high performance 205 55 vr

16 radials

blank

I got this one

You got it

You got some important years in there if you're in the know you're in the know 78 was important

Uh for a special engine gtu race series

There's a trim level of this fucking car called the gtu which is kind of cool if you know

Uh, and then 10th anniversary in y8. This is the mazda rx7

Which would be the fc chassis code turbo 10th a e my friend final answer

Don't tell me that i've never done anything easy for you my friend great dude

How have we done? How have we not done this car? This is uh, hold on hold on hold on

Let me let me send you the actual ad because it's very very very very pretty the car is white with an off-center hood scoop

and some killer wheels

Right off the top of my head these things are great

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah when when is the last time that like you've seen one of these in the in

The wild in the flesh very very very pretty click on this bad boy. Um

Oh

Oh, it's a killer ad dude. Can I can I give you a I love the fc turbo so much, dude

Yeah, this is what i'm saying. Can I can I give you a?

um

A moment in an automotive

idiot anger

I don't want to say journalist because i'm not a journalist. I'm just a guy who's in who likes cars and is dumb

um facts

facts

Every automotive journalist shit on the fc for being a quote-unquote copy

Of the 944

Except for the power plant. I don't think it's that much of a copy of the 944

stylistically

I think I think it's a I think it's a product of its time

And I think it tried to be smoother than the rest of the

1980s sports cars, which was the sarion the salica the supra

the

Prelude all of those cars were way more boxy

And this car tried to be smoother than all of those

Right tried to be smoother than the 944

And the 944 turbo showed up and had a similar front end and then everyone got angry at this car

Yeah, I think this car

The fc is

deeply underappreciated

Turbo or otherwise

Well, this particular one is not under this one's very valuable. Oh, no, you can't you can't find the 10th

Even fc turbos. Oh, dude, you're pushing

15 for a rough driver for a rough driver

That's the thing you get a really nice fc fc turbo 2

That's a 25,000 car and you might as well

spend 10 extra thousand dollars and get an fd

But there's a lot I like about the fc though. I do like the the design of the fc. I like a lot

I love the off-center hood scoop. I love that kind of asymmetrical Japanese stuff that you can't get

You can't get anywhere. That was a product of its era

Yeah, and the fd is like objectively beautiful and way sleeker the technology is way better way more speed

Like a different echelon of speed and power, right? Like like almost 90 more horsepower

But there's something about these fc turbos that I just fucking love. I just

I just love them, dude

It's same as I like a stereo when I see a good stereo on I'm like a clean like stereo

I think that's a really cool only could come from the 80s car

Um, you know, they just don't exist outside of that period and this is a killer one

What I'm getting at is like the in period and

Out

period

Conversation was oh, yeah, that it was it was

It's it they blatantly ripped off a Porsche and I don't I don't buy it

Yeah, I genuine I would love

As much as we like semi joke about having brian nesbit as like our peak

Automotive fucking like designer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah designer chad

Interview on

Yeah, he oh, he's he's max sigma

um

Like the I would I

Oh, man, I would be so interested

Into having like a seven hour podcast with the the design team of the fcrx seven to just like unwind

the the process

Just to like eschew

The conversation about oh, yeah, they just blatantly ripped off of them the 944 because I I

I promise you they didn't

I mean, but now look at today's automotive landscape every crossover looks exactly the same

Have you ever seen that poster that had like 12 side profiles of all the modern?

Yeah, because it's like a AI wind tunnel involved and so it it it changes

It kind of changes it. It's packaging too, right safety and packaging, but I I don't know

I like I like the I would

I would do horrible things to get an fc turbo

But they're so pricey man, and they're rough

Right, like you got a feeling that it's if you do get the cheap one

You're gonna do a rebuild a rotary rebuild. Uh, they're getting harder. That's rotary rotary fine to find the parts for them

Especially like interior pieces exterior pieces are getting harder to find on the turbo cars. So

ah

Nothing more heartbreaking than seeing a hood scoop on a

Rx7 and it ends up being just someone put a fucking turbo hood on a resale

Yep, but gtus came later and named after that racing series. So, um

Yeah, infinitely cool car and 10th anniversary would probably be the way to go if you're gonna if you have money

I'd that'd be a good buy if you could find a clean 10th AE and buy it off the original owner

None of them though. I have you have you

Truly have you seen one in the wild? I've seen them at a car show

I don't know. I honestly don't know if I've ever seen one

It was at a car show in dc. So this was like I don't know in the in the 2010s

Yeah early, so it's like now even rarer, right? Yeah, but back then you could buy it

You could buy a turbo to fc for like a grand. Yep. Yeah

Yeah, like a good one. Um, yeah

But yeah, cool karmic good. Thanks for putting a spotlight on it. I love these

Um, I love his car a lot. Yeah, I'd rock I'd rock this shit out of one of these

Yeah, and it's funny because I

When we're in our our challenge here, like I feel like we're like deep into the woods of uh

Shit that nobody cares about

And this is a car that people care about and I'm glad I can bring it out. Um, yeah

Because yeah, they are very very very cool. And I think they I think the fc

Gets a bad rap

It's because the fd was such a success. It's like mark three supers are the same thing forever. I think now

Yeah, I agree now before they were really one of our slow boats. Yeah, I really want to mark three

I just don't want to pay mark three prices because they are way overpriced for what they are

Yeah, they were they were in $8,000 car forever and then they should have stayed right there

But now there are $28,000 car that's horseshit. So yeah, no, I think it's the same. Yeah

I think that's a good good analog between those two. But yeah, good one man. Thank you for that. Um, so, uh

Really really quick

How do you want to celebrate your victory my friend? Do you want do you want to do pcp?

Let's do some pcp project car progress for all the narcs out there listening in. Um, have you have you turned any wrenches?

Holly

um

A little let's hear about it. Okay. Um

The thing behind me

I have not I have Chevy Sprint turbo 1987 maybe 88 88. Oh my bad

How dare you, um, it's too hard. I've not I've not done things. I need to it has a a cool leak

I brought I I I got the the pressure test

array

Uh, to do I haven't done it. I just I just bought I bought the parts. I've not moved on it

So what I have the only thing I have done

is on the

Uh

The Vittara the 2000 Suzuki

Vittara, so I bought a new top for it. I put the new top on it

Nice, so I put the top on it. Um, it was kind of a pain in the dick and this is one of those things where the dick

You think it's not that big a deal. Yeah, I put the new thing

I take the old one off with the door on

And it takes you like 45 minutes. Mm-hmm and it shouldn't

But it should because that's just how it's designed. Yep. Um

And so yeah, so it's got a new top on it. I took it to a cars and coffee this morning

Shout out to uh, vault auto club here in the bay area. Um, we've had

Joe joe tawney, uh

friend of the pod on

He is one of the main organizers of that along with uh, robert eppley

Also friend of the pod who's been on this uh here podcast

Um, so yeah, I took it out to their car show out in berkeley on sunday's on solano

It got a scary amount of positive attention because they do

It's an awkwardly proportioned two-door convertible suv

And uh, it it rained and it's a good

Good news. I put a new top on it. It did not it was equipped for the rain. It did not leak

It was great and it it did its job well. So, um

Yeah, that great success

It's always nice. Yeah, so um that that happened. Um, so now i'm up against

What do I do with this car?

Um, I think i'm just gonna sell it. I think i'm just gonna take photos of it

flip it

Sell it

um, it kind of has like mildly warped

Front brake rotors. Okay. They're like $40 a piece if that no, no, I can get them for like I looked it up today

uh

derogado

derigo

Like how about you pronounce it?

on on

on

Rock auto

A little dollars and like 68 cents a pop someone's shopping in the economy section, but carry on. Yeah

No, but it's it's like an economy day. We drive the most expensive the most expensive brambos are

Like the like the extra likes like anti-rust coated. Yeah. Yeah, like most expensive brambos are they were like $38 a pop

Yep, so uh, yeah, so maybe maybe I'll maybe I'll do rotors. Maybe I know all about this

I know all about them tracker brakes, bro. Yep

So, uh end of the day, uh, I have a decision to make like how am I going to spice up or despice?

despice the

the

The the gland not gland. Nope. It can't be. No, it's just the regular vatara

And uh, yeah, yeah, that's where I'm at. How about you?

Cool mon frère. Uh, so the uh, the rally car budget has been lifted. Uh, the rally is over

And this is a negative and positive thing because that means I get to spend more money on my v50 volvo

So after the rally, I did notice I drove it. I've been driving actually a lot dude. I fucking love that car

A little faint smell of fuel when I'm driving now

These have an external fuel pump and like this plastic housing that cracks and it will you know, especially under hard driving

It'll spray a little bit of fuel. You'll smell it on the exhaust

It's I love combining fuel with hot surfaces. Don't be a pussy, dude. You only live like twice

Anyway, we're placing that to pay in the dick because there's not really good viable aftermarket options

And you have to drop the tank. So I replaced that with an oem one

It caused quite a few hundred dollars would have blown my budget

But I live life dangerously. Um, and it didn't really start making any any like noticeable fumes until after so

I want to make the car really nice. I don't want to just like sell it as a car

I spent $3,500 on that's a really hard proposition when you put it out in the market

And you're like, oh, no, listen guys. I only spent

In there done that. Jesus, dude. So doing that, um

Give it give props to the stock fuel pump lasting 189,000 miles. Here we go

These things were well built these car these p1 volvos are pretty hardy. I mean a lot of ford, right?

But good. I think this is like one of the best things for volvo

um, I was gonna say we we need to do a an entire episode on

Ford's occupation and I I feel like that's the right term to use

Like the French in Vietnam got it. Yeah

It's just like it only the French in Vietnam America nothing to do with Vietnam. We didn't occupy Korea. No

No, nothing happened. Let's not talk about Cambodia or Laos. Um, but what we should talk about is

Cambodia

I was like

It's or the dead Kennedys. Uh, but yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking uh, yeah dead Kennedys

Yes, I was going Chappelle show. Um, 100% Cambodian the Cambodian personal

um

but but

Similar vibe is ford's occupation quote-unquote of

Volvo

Jaguar

Asa martin

Totally all of all of that like that's a that's an entire

everyone

like

goes full dog shit about how

their

Ford stewardship was bad

I I will fight you in public about that because I I think ford was one of the greatest things that ever happened to all of these companies including

The the P chassis whatever the P1. What's it called P1? Absolutely

Shared the Mazda 3 the 4 to focus. Yep. Focus the focus

Um, all of that a lot of good stuff now unlike unlike g we could do a counterpoint to where gm fucks over the companies

We like yeah sob. We get that's a good counterpoint, right? Um, but yeah, yeah, who was the better american steward?

board

easy answer

One minute episode. Um, but let's I'll shut us down here. We're running a little bit long

But yeah, I'm still working on the rally car guys. I do want to thank you

It was a little disjointed not any more unusual to be honest

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