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Hello,Jamieheretoday,andIgotLucasagainwithme.
Todaywe'regoingtotalkonourpodcastaboutuhthekindofasoverallsubjectofV-twinindustrytruthsandmisrepresentations.
Uhsomeofthethingsweseedayin,dayouthereatFuelMotoanduhthingswehearfromcustomers,howtheindustry'schanged,andkindofthedirectionweseethingsgoingandhowithasbeen.
Let'suhgetintoit.
Uhthingshavechangedalotinthelandscapeoverthelastuhyouknow25yearsthatwe'vebeeninbusinesshere.
Obviously,beforethatitwasverydifferentbecausethatwasatthetheinfancyoftheinternet.
Wegotstartedhereintheearly2000s.
Iguessthemostpopularformsofcommunication,therewasnoFacebookorYouTubeoranythingyet.
Itwasuhalotofinternetforumsandthingslikethatfromtheearlytomid90s.
Itfirststartedoutasmessageboards.
Believeitornot,aformofcommunicationthatwasreallypopularbetweene-comcompaniesandcustomersandthingsintheinfeccywasuheBay.
SoitwasalotofeBaymessagingbackandforth,andwegrewaprettybigbasebasedonthat.
Youknow,Lucas,youwerejustalittleguyinthat,butyouprobablyrememberdadsittingthereonacomputereverynightdealingwitheBayandinternetpeople.
Butovertheyearswe'veseenthatshiftfromthattoalotofinternetforums,thenitturnedtosocialmedia,andthennowyoukindofevolvedintoFacebookgroups.
Yeah,that'sbeenlargelywhatprettymucheverythinghaschangedinto.
Definitelychangedthedynamicofwho'stheauthorityandwhogetsfinalsay,andalsokindofinsomecasesaextremecensorshipandmoderation,oreveninsomegroupsthetheextremeoppositeoftheend.
Onethingthat'sreallychangedfrombackwhenitwasinternetforums,youknow,internetforumstraditionallyhadmoderatorsandadmins,andthentheywouldhavepaidsponsors,whichweregenerallybusinessesandcompanies.
We'vedidthatforalongtime.
We'reinvolvedinallthat,westillareinsomeofit.
ThebiggestthingIseenchangesisveryearlywhenpeoplegottobickeringandfightingandtellingmistruthsandthings,ortheyhadmoderatorsandadminsthatwouldstraightenthatstuffout,youknow.
Butovertheyears,associalmediahadrisen,theforumsbecamenotquiteaspopular.
Someofthesepeopleactuallywerepaidemployeesthatwereadministratingthesesites,andtheseguyswerejustvolunteers.
Prettysoontherewasnononeofthat,andthenfightingbickeringandarguingkindofhappened,andthennowwhatweseeonFacebookgroupalotofthatthat'skindofbackwherewewereintheverybeginningofthat.
We'rejusttalkingaboutindustryasawholeandhowyougottalearnandinvolvewithit.
Yeah,it'sdefinitelyformorepersonalgainnow,becauselikeyousaid,theforumswereabusinessbasicallyasasarbitratorsormoderators,andnowit'sturnedintothepeoplethatownit,generallyarethepeoplethathaveavestedinterest,whichImeantherethere'sallsortsofpeopleforeveryindustryandandreasontheymighthaveagroup.
Imean,there'sthere'splentyofdifferentgroupsforallsortsofareasofeventheHarleyindustry.
Butthatbringsupareallygoodpoint,andwhoactuallyownstheseFacebookgroups,alotofthem.
Someofthesegroupsthatpeopleareparticipatingin,they'reownedbydifferentcompanies.
Sowhatyouseealotoftimesbehindthescenesispeoplearenotabletoshareonfreewill.
Andthat'sreallyoneofthethingsthatItakeuppersonallywithit.
Itreallybothersmethatifyoushareonecompany'soroneshop'sdynochartorproduct,they'lljustdeleteitrightoffthere.
Andthatthat'snotfreewill,likeitcan'tbelikethat.
It'sonethingtohaveyourownpageasabusinessorapersonorcelebrity,whatever,andandhavethatbemonitoredandspecifictoyou.
Butwhenyouhaveagroupthat'sundertheguiseofbeingafreespaceandaneutralzonethatreallyisjust,likeIsaid,hasvestedinterest.
BecauseI'vebeendoingsocialmediainternetforumstuffforalmost25years.
Icanreallyseethatwehavetoevolvewithwithhowthisallstuffgoes,butIseealotofunferityinthat.
Someofthesepagesandpeople,Imean,myIpersonallyhavenotseenthingscomeupbeforewithaquestiononaproductoraserviceorsomethingwethatwe'reinvolvedin.
I'lltrytosignupandjumponthereandandtheywon'tevenletmejointhepage.
Right.
Yeah,that'sthebiggestthing.
Imean,ifyou'reyou'reabusinessorapersonthat'suhtryingtopromotetheirownstuff,Imeanthat'sonething,butitbecomesalittlebitofagrayareawhenitresultsinjustactualmisinformationaboutsomeoneelse'sproduct.
Whenthey'renotabletoparticipateorgiveasay,itreallyjustbecomesmisrepresentationbutton.
Iknowsomecompaniesthathavereallybeenaffectedbythat,likeandtheyhaven'tbeenabletovoicetheirpartofthestoryjustbecauseit'sone-sided.
Andandthere'sobviouslytheothersideofthattoo.
There'scompaniesthathavebeenverysuccessful.
Andagain,Iwouldsaywearevery,veryhappyonhowoursocialmediastuffworksandrelationshipwithculturalstuff,butwehavecompaniesthatcometoussoweworkwith.
It'snotuncommonforoneofourvendorsormanufacturersandcallupandsay,Hey,howdoesthiswork?
Whywhyisthisplacesayingthis?
Well,wedon'twanttobeinthemiddleofthatdramastuff,butweunderstandhowthecompaniesgetfrustratedbecausetheydon'tunderstand.
They'relike,Well,I'mtryingtoanswerquestionsonthispage,andthesepeoplejustkeepdeletingwhatIsay,andeverything,well,it'sbecausetheydon'twanttoevensayit.
Asfarastheinformationonthosesites,there'salotofgoodinformation.
There'snodoubtthat'swhatbringspeopletosocialmediabecausethere'ssomuchmediaoverload,whetherit'sinformationalproducts,dynocharts,pictures,experiences,andtruthbetold,youmeetalotofcoolpeopleonsocialmedia.
Andforus,it'sreallygoodforbusinessforsure,too.
Andit'sallaboutparticipation.
AndonethingI'vealwayssaidisfromtheverybeginning,we'veplayedthelonggameonalotofdifferentstrategies.
Andifyouput100%accuratedataoutthere,productsyoucanstandbehind,you're100%honest,youdon'tembellishthings,thatisalwaysgonnastandonitsown,youknow.
Andthat'salwaysbeenoneofourattributes.
Andnoteverybodyplaysbythatthough.
Andespeciallyover,Iwouldsayreallysince2020,alotofcompaniesthey'dsayalmostplayeddirty,butsomeofthemdid.
Butthat'sjustIguesspartoftheindustryevolvingandhowpeoplecommunicatenow.
Yeah,thatwasatimewherealotofpagesgotalotbiggerandpeoplewereinsideandonsocialmedia.
OneofthebiggestthingsthatIseethatisanissueandreallyaletdownforconsumersintheendiscompaniesorindividuals,aretheyusingfirsthandexperienceoraretheyusinginformation,text,orcopythatthey'vegotfromsomebodyelse?
Oraretheyjustparrotingorregurgitatingsomething?
Thathappenssomuch,somuch.
Peopletalkabouttuningdownachartsexhaustsystem,thenthey'llsay,Yougottousethispipeoryougottousetheseinjectors.
Thatdoesn'twork.
Thisdoesn'twork.
I'mImean,95%ofthetime,they'renotsayingthatbecausethey'veexperiencedthatfirsthand.
Right.
Yeah,andthat'saauniqueupperhandthatwehaveasasarelativeauthorityintheindustryisthefactthatwehavesomanybikesthatcomethrough.
Weworkwithsomanybikesweeklyremotely,andwe'vejusttestedsomanyproducts.
Togiveanidea,thisweek,howmanypeopledoyouthinkthatyouhelpedassistremotetuning,includingdealers?
Yeah,andandImeantunetuningaloneisprobablyencompassesitcanbeoverahundredpeopleaday,uniquecustomers.
Andnoteveryoneisgonnabephysicallymodifyingoreditingatune,butasignificantportionofthemare,andandalotoftheotheronesarestilljusthelpingthemwithtechnicalsupportandthatsortofthing.
Sooverall,uniquetunessentaweek,it'swellinthehundreds,ifnotover500,right?
Especiallyrightnowwithbikes.
Yep,yep.
Thisisreallyalotofthosetwoaredealersandshops.
Yep.
Andalotofthempeopleareshopsthatwantassistanceorsupportorhelpwithtunes.
Thisisallstuffthathastobelearned.
Itisn'thereditary.
Youknow,weallhavetowehadtolearnit.
Wehadtofigureoutwehadtodoit.
It'sdifficult.
Youcantellsomeofthepeopleyouworkwith,andsometimesinthethedemeanorandthemannerwithwhichtheygetincontactwithyou,orifyouhadyoujusthaveamutualcustomerthat'stryingtogetyouguystogetherandandthey'renotincontactorresponding.
Youcantellsomeofthemhavepreconceivednotions.
Andthatgoesbothdirectionsforsure.
Becausewe'llhaveoneguywillcallusoremailrather,andandthey'llsay,Yeah,Iwanttodothis,Iwanttodothat,I'mexcitedtodothis.
Andit'llbesomething,say,forexample,thatwe'vedonedayin,dayout.
Let'sjustuse,forexample,uhWoods22XEcamwitha114withourtwointooneorourtwointoone,twoheadpipe,andthetwointhewearegonnabeabletohitthatsostrong,andthatthingwillwork.
It'sreallyflexibleasfarasexhaustandthingsinthat.
Andthatguywillbeexcited.
Weknowwecangetthatcombinationtoeitherhimorhisshoporwhoever,andthatthingisjustgonnabearockstar.
Butthenontheotherside,we'llhaveaguycallupandsay,Hey,Iwantthiscam,thatcam,becausethisorthat,andIheardthis,Iheard,andhe'salreadybeeninstructed,wecanhearit.
Thesamegoestoadealerorshopcallingus.
Youcantellaminuteintotheconversationorevenbytheemailwhetherornottheyreallywanttoworkwiththestuffornot.
Yeah,andbiasisabigpartofthis.
Right.
Ifyou'rebringingyourbikeorbuyingpartsandashop'sgonnainstallitthattheydon'twantto,they'renotgonnamakeitworkright.
Yep.
Theyhavetomakeitwannawork.
Yeah.
Attheendoftheday,uhpartsarepartsanditeitherworksoritdoesn't.
Sothere'snomagicbrandororcamgrindoranything.
Youknow,therearealotofthingsthatworkbetter,butIandCAMisactuallyareallygoodexamplebecausethat'ssuchasubjectivetopic.
Imean,acamisn'twhatmakesabuild.
Samewithexhaustandalltheseotherpartswehaveseensomanytimeswhereifacustomerhasacombination,sayhetakestogetitdyno-tuned,orhehappenstotakeittoanindieshoporadealertohaveitinstalled.
Someoftheseguysthey'reprettyvocal.
They'll,youknow,they'reprettypassionate,we'llsay.
Andiftheystartnotwantingtodotheproducts,there'sapreconceivedbiasonthatthen.
AndImean,we'vewe'veseeneverylevelofthatfromsomebodyjustmighthavebeenupsetbecausetheyboughtfromsomebodyelse,whichweunderstandthewholesituationtoo.
Butothertimestheymaybeupsetbecausetheymighthaveapartnershipwithoneoftheseothercompanies,orsomeoftheseguysaremoderatorsonFacebookbecausewe'reontheFacebookpagesthey'reon.
Somanydynamicstothat,andandyoujustgottabeawareofwhatyou'reworkingwithandwhatyou'redoing.
OneofthebiggestboundariesthatIseewiththeFacebookgroups,comments,andmessagingisthatitseemslikethere'sagoodportionofpeoplethatjusthavetobethesmartestguyintheroom.
Theywillnottakethatthispersonfigureditoutfirst,thispersonknowshowtodoit,butIdon't,orit'ssomethingthey'velearnedthatIhaven'tlearnedyet.
Theydonotwantthat,theydonotlikethat.
Youdon'thavetobethesmartestguyintheroom.
Youdon't.
Thebiggestthingishaveanopenmind,awillingnesstolearn.
That'showwedoiteveryday.
Youknow,that'sabigpartofwhatwedohereistryingtofigurethisstuffoutandgetdatatocustomersuhsotheydon'thavetodoquiteasmuchaswhatwewouldhavetodo.
Uh,someexampleswecangointoistunersandtuning.
That'sabigone.
Yeah.
AndforaslongasI'vebeenhereandaslongasPowerVisionhasbeenoutbeforeIwashere,we'vebeenonanoverdecaderunnowoflikeourfavoritebuzzwordisauto-tune.
Andit'salotofalotoftuners,big,bigkindofhot,hotbuttonissue.
Andthat'saperfectexampleofsomethingthat'sjustcompletelymisrepresentedandmisconstruedinmedia.
Ithinktosomedegreeit'sbypeoplethatthinkitisconflictingwiththeirbusiness,wheninreality,it'sjustanexampleofatoolthatcanbeusedbyanyone,whetheritbeadealer,customer,tuner,andanyone.
Sothat'sthat'sagoodexampleofsomethingthatthat'saconflictthat'sabsolutelyanexample.
Umforthosethatdon'tknow,uh,auto-tuneusesthesamelogic,thesamedataaswhatyouwouldinthedyno.
Infact,agoodportionofthedynotunerstraditionallyandstilldouseautotune.
Right.
Theytheydon'twanttotellyouthiswhenyoushowup.
Butalotoftheseguys,Imean,there'speoplefor10,12,15years,aslongasitwasout,usedautotuneonthedyno.
Theyusedthesamepowervisionboxastheconsumerdid,putthethinginauto-tunemodeandranthroughthetune.
Well,nowyoucandothatallinsoftware.
It'sthesamelogic,it'sthesamedata.
Thedynodoesn'tdothetuningforyou.
Right.
It'sthedatayou'reusing.
Sowhetheryouuseauto-tuneorusingthetunelabortuninglinkwithinthedynosoftware,it'sthesame,thesamedata,thesamestuff.
Andessentiallyhowthatworksisasyourunthebikeonadynoandbuildyourhistogramorrunthroughyourlog,itlooksatthemeasuredairfuelratio,anditalsolooksatbecauseithasthetuneinfrontofitandinthesoftware,itlooksatwhatthetune'sdelivering.
Andit'sveryeasy.
Onceyoufinishthelogup,itbasicallytakesthedelta,takesthedifferencebetweenthemeasuredairfuelratioandthecommanded,andsplitsoutacorrectiontotheVEtable.
SoImeanthat'ssimpleauto-tunelogic.
There'sseveraldifferentsoftwaresandtuningplatformsthatusevariousversionsofthesamething.
Yep.
Thisistraditionalairflowmodeltuning.
Everyindustryininanycapacitythat'stuningVEmodelsorevenMathoranyother2D-basedfuelinglogicaswell,isgoingtobethesamething.
Soobviously,there'salotmoretablesandthingsintheoverallrealmoftuning,butonthefuelside,whichisyourfirstbasicsteptogettingthevehicletuned.
We'vehadpeoplethatagain,shopsweknowhavegoneonandrantsaboutusingauto-tuneandtellingconsumersnottouseit,this,that.
Someoftheseshopsweknowfirsthanduseautotune.
Theycallusandweask,theyaskquestions,andwedoitandwehelpthem.
Andthere'snothingnothingwrongwiththat.
Theydon'tneedtobeashamedofusingautotunebecauseit'sagreatwaytotunethebikeonthedyno.
Andespeciallylikeevennow,sayontheGen2Harleys,wherethey'remorecomplex,usingtraditionaltuningmethodsinalotofrespectsiseasierfordinotunerstoworkoutbecauseandit'sagoodwaytosegueintowhattheytraditionallydidintothenewwayofdoing.
Andonthatsamenote,alotoftunersuhwe'recallingumtuningshopsandsuch,essentiallyGen2stuffcameout,andIhatetoevensayitthisway,butthey'reinabilityorinexperiencewithproductfunctionality.
That'sabigthingyouseeprobablyeveryday.
Yeah,likehowmanyshopsdoyougetincontactwithaweekthatwithaGen2bikethatallPowerVisionwon'tworkonthisorThundermaxwon't,youcan'tdothis.
Right.
It'sacommonality,andit'scomplicatedtomakeastockECU,especiallyonelikeontheGen2bikes,that'salotmorecomplexthananythingwe'veeverseenfromHarleybefore.
Workwithallsortsofpartsthatwe'reswappingoutandchanges.
Imean,ititrequiresfineadjustmentjustbecausethefirstswingyoutakeatsomethingandandrunningitonthestocktune,itdoesn'trunrightoritthrowsacodeorsomething,thatdoesnotsignaluhuhinabilityofthetuningdeviceyou'reusing.
Imean,itrightthedaysofjustflashingatuneinandrunningitthroughonthedynoquickandmakingfueladjustmentsandputtingoutthedoor,that'salittledifferentwithGen2.
Right.
Theplatformalone,thehardwaretoo,isissonew.
Imean,there'sonlysomanypeopleinrelativetoGen1andearlierstuffthataredoingbigboarkitsandswappingcams,andnowwehaveVVTinthemixandallsortsofthings.
Well,onethingthatIwouldsayhasgivenusagoodadvantageonthat.
Obviously,it'sahugeadvantageandagreatrelationshipwithDinojetthatwecanbeearlyadoptersandandhelpdevelopalotofthebasemapsandthebacksideofthetunesandwhatworksandwhatdoesn't,andgetthatfiguredoutbeforeitevercomestoaconsumeroratuningshop.
IIcantellyouforsureonthisHarleystuff,whathashelpedatonisapreviousexperienceincartuninginotherECUs.
TheBoschandotherstuffwetunewithinothervehicleshasreallymadeabigdifference,evencomparedtoIndian.
Thatreallywashelpfulbecauseweweredoinguhmotorcycletorque-basedtuningsince2016.
Thosevehicles,thetheBoschM17s,andnowtheMG1sonthosebikesthattheyhadalltorque-basedfuelthrottlecontrolandstuff.
Sothatreallywasabig,bigpartoflearningsomeoftheHarleystuff,eventhoughit'sdifferent.
Youknow,itwasalotofthesametheoriesandthingslikethat.
Andthensamewithcarsandnottomentionanyturboornitrousstuffthatwe'vedoneovertheyears.
Themoreyoutune,themoreexperienceyouget,themoreyouunderstand,youknow,howyouhavetoadaptandlearnsomeoftheseothersystems.
Thatwasjustsomethingwewanttotouchbasedonauto-tune.
Don'tbeafraidtouseit.
Itworksreally,reallywell.
Yeah,andyoualwayscangobacktowhatyouhadbefore.
Wedynotuneeverysingledayheresoweknowwhatthebasemapslooklikewhenwestartandwhentheyfinish.
Andwe'renotgoingtodiscourageanybodyfromdynotuningabike,butyoucertainlycan.
Whatwedon'twanttodiscouragepeoplefromtakingacrackatitandlearning.
That'showyougetfamiliarwithit.
Anditreallyopenyoureyesifyoucouldseehowsimpleandwhilethesebikestuneinwithnottoomucheffort.
Yep.
Alotofthehardstuffisalreadytakencareof,especiallyforuswhenwe'resupplyingpeopletunes.
Sothemainthingisreallyjustsomerelativelyinmanyapplications,rudimentaryairflowandfueltuningandsparktuning.
Sonothinghurtsmorethanseeingatuningshoporanindividualdiscouragingsomebodytodotheirownworkortune.
They'renotnevergonnaknowunlesstheydoit.
Yep.
Andandyouknow,again,itcomesbacktowhatwetalkedaboutbeforebias.
Youknow,obviouslythere'sareasonwhysomeofthesetuningshopsandcompaniessitthereandgo,youcan'tdothis,noneofthisworks,noneofitworksaswellbecausethey'regonnathey'regonnadownandtuneyourbike.
Right.
Youknow,andnowit'suhescalatedtothepointofshopsclaiminguh20,30percent,30,40percentgainsbeforeandaftertuningit,right,withnopartchanges,andnottomentionitbeing20%overwhattheindustrystandardisforagivenenginecombination.
Thatreallybringsuptheothertopicweshouldprobablytalkaboutisinflateddynochartsandnumbersthathavereallyevolvedovertheelevatedthemselvesoverthelastcoupleofyears.
It'sactuallyprettycoolbecausealotofcustomershavereallyfollowedalong,especiallyintheM8stuff,becauseHarleyshavebecomesomuchmorebecauseoftheperformancebaggerstuffandpeoplearefollowingalongontheperformancesideandtheperformancesectorisdrone.
Yeah,andnottomentionthey'reeasytoworkon.
Yeah,andthedollartohorsepower,especiallyonM8s,issupergood.
Imean,forthepriceofwhatittakestogetthepartsandevenlabortodoacamandstuffinthesebikes,it'shugegains.
Butwe'vealsoseennowwe'regettingcloseto10yearsoftheM8,andtherearethereareonlysomanynewcamgrindscomingout.
There'sonlysomuchtogainwithabulk.
Andagoodshareofthem.
Weworkedwithcompaniesdevelopingtheirgrinds.
Yep.
Yeahandtestingthem.
Soalotoftimesbeforethemcamscometomarket,companiessendthecamtous.
Wetestthem,wedevelopafuelmap,uhPowerVisionorThunderMaxbasemapsandgetthatsorted.
Sowhenthecamcomesout,thosecompanieshaveafoundationtobuildoffof.
Yeah.
Andandnowwe'veseeninrelationtodynochartswhatthesebikesdo.
Manypeople,Imean,it'snotjustfuelmodel.
There'sobviouslyahugerepositoryofdynochartsyoucanfindfrommanybig,bigshopsacrossthecountrythattunetheseregularly.
Andin10years,there'sonlysomuchmoreyou'regoingtogainoutofthesameenginewiththesamecams.
Andallofasuddennowyouseeacoupleofshopsbeingjustparticularlythesameshops,makingsignificantlymorethanthat.
Big,big,bignumbers.
AndIuseatermallthetime,commondenominator.
Yep.
Andyoudon'tneedtouseournumbers,butyoucanusethemasabaselinetogooffofandgolookacrosstheinternet.
Callyourdealer,talktoshops,callthemanufacturers.
That'sprobablytheoneofthebestthings.
Yeah.
Callthemanufacturersofthecamshaftsandexhaust.
Hey,whatkindofnumbersdoyouthinkI'dmakewiththis,orwherecanIexpecttobe?
Andifyoufindnumbersthatareallofasudden10or15%higher,I'mevengoingtosaynottousethosenumbers.
Justunderstandthey'rehigherthannormal.
There'sreasonsnumbersarehigher.
Yeah.
There'sreasonsifyouhaveextremesonconditions,itcanbehigherorlower.
Wehaveawholearticleonthefuelmotoruniversitythatgoesthroughthatreallywell.
Andwe'lldoanotherpodcastandtalkaboutthatspecificallytoo.
Butifyoufindnumbersthatarewayhigherorwaylowerthanwhatyounormallyfind,yougottofindthereasonwhy.
Yep.
It'sfunnybecausenowtheextremehasshifted.
AndIthinkalotofpeoplearerelativelyapprehensiveaboutit.
Butalsothere'snothingwrong.
Attheendoftheday,youcanrunit,youcanmakewhatevernumbersyouwantonadyno.
It'snotgoingtomakethebikemakemorepowerthanitactuallydoes.
Soitdoesn'tmatterifyourunitontwodifferentdynosbacktobackanditmakes15morehorsepowerinone.
Right.
Thebikeisnotanyfasteronthatdynothanitisintheother.
Andit'sfunnyaboutthenumbers.
Irememberbackin2010whenuhweworkedwithBobBobWood.
BobbyWood,wedevelopedtheTW555.
AndthatwasthefirstyearwhereCarlyhadthelimited,the103limited.
Sowehada103limitedhere,andweputthe555camin,ourjackpotheadpipe,andasetofourjackpotmufflers.
AndI'llneverforget,wemadelike98horsepowerwiththatthing.
Andweposteditonsocialmediaandonsomeoftheforums,andtherewasahandfulofshopsthatflippedout.
Theycouldnotbelieveit.
There'snowayyou'realmost100horsepoweron103withabolt-incamanddadadadadadadadadadadada.
Andhereweare16yearslater,andit'slikeanormalthing.
Becausewewerethefirsttogetthatcamshafttomarketandshowedwhatitdid,itstillisagreatcam.
We'vehadsomecams,103sdoover100horsepowerwithsomegrands,notjustwoodstuff,butothersthatareoutthere.
Thedynonumbersthingisreallysomethingthatyouhaveto,again,lookatcommondenominators.
Ifyourbikeendeduploworyourbike,forexample,endeduphigh,itiswhatitis.
It'sjustanumberonapieceofpaper.
OneotherthingIreallydon'tlikethat'scomingoutofthisiswehavecustomersthatarethey'reshamefultosharetheirdynochartsandinformationbecause,youknow,oh,ifIputthatuponthisFacebookgroup,Iwouldgetshreddedbecauseitmadethismuchless.
Thenitgoesintoyoushouldhavedonethiscamshaftorthatexhaustdon'twork.
Andsomeofthesearereallygoodcombinationsandreallynicestuff.
Andnumbersthatafewyearsagowouldhavebeenfancy.
Fantastic.
Right.
Well,ifyou'reusingthesamepartsandthesamethings,that'snotgoingtochange.
Yougottolookatwhat'schanged.
Someoftheusingpartsthatwehelpedmaybedevelop,someofthestuffthatwe'vedonebehindthesceneslongbeforecametomarket.
Andwedon'tknoweverything.
Wehadaprettygoodhandleonhowtheseenginestuneandhowtheyworkandthekindofpowertheymake.
AndnottomentionsometransparencytoDinoJetandtheiractualnumbersfromthemanufacturerthatmakestheDyno.
Yep.
Soweknowhowthisallworks.
Andonthatsamenote,Ihaveanideahowsomeoftheseshopsthataremaybedoingthis,howtheyaremanipulatingtheirnumbers,Iwouldsayalittlebit.
ButImeanagain,it'sneitherherenorthere.
Morepowertothemiftheywanttodothat.
Butifthenumberishigherthanwhatitreallyis,they'rejustlyingtothemselves.
Andbutthat'sthewaytheywanttodothat.
That'sfine.
Youjustgottotakethosenumbersthoughandgooffthecommondenominator.
Forexample,whenwepostadynochartforagivencombination,wedon'tpostahighflyer.
I'lltakeanaverage.
Allofourchartsthatareonoursiteandthechartswegivebacktocustomersareanaverageofthefinalresults.
Yep.
Sointheend,whenwedoit,weknowexactlywhatenginetemp.
Wehavemonitorsalloverourroominsidethatmonitorthetemperaturesandrelativehumidityandallthatstuff.
Wemakesurethatisright.
Makeourfinalruns,dothree,fourruns,givetheaverageone.
Sometimesthere'llbealittleclutchsliporatirejumpthatputsalittleblipinthegraph,orthere'salittlehookattheendwhereyoubumptherevlimiter.
Youtakethatoff.
Youcutthatoffoftherebecausethat'sthat'sagain,you'reonlylyingtoyourself.
IIseethosechartsallthetimewhereit'sgotablipattheendofthegraph.
Yeah,orabounceinthemiddlethataddsfive,sevenorsportortorque.
Youhavetoknowhowtoreadadynocharttoo.
Thatdefinitelymakesabigdifference.
Justaneasyexamplethatyouseeahundreddynochartsofaweekabouttakeagood114withadecentbolt-in,torquecam,whatever,itmakes120horsepower.
It'snotgonnamatterwhether,regardlessofwhotunesitorwhatshopitgoesto,iftheytuneditright,it'snotgonnamatteriftheyhandyouasheetifitmade120onaverage,andforsomereasononerunmade130oronerunmade110.
Maybetheyweregoingforthehighflyernumberonone,andmaybethebikewasprettyheatsoakedonanother.
Thebike'sgonnarunthesameforyouregardlessafterit'srolledoffthedyno.
Sothenumbersonthepaperaren'twhattoliveby.
It'sagreatguide,especiallylikeforus.
We'vebuiltsuchagreatrepositoryofdynochartsbecauseitgivespeopleanideaofwhattoexpect.
Andit'sdefinitelyausefultool,especiallywhenitcomestopowerdeliveryandbuildingoutyourcombinationandgivingyoukindofaguideonwhatyoulike.
Butbyallmeans,we'renotsayingtospecificallyzeroinonasingledynochartyoufindonline,whetherit'sfromusoranyoneelse,andandsay,hey,I'mgonnacopythisbuild.
Butthensometimesyougetintothewholethingofmixingitwithotheronesandthinkingthatyou'regonnamakewhateverhighflyerbeevenbetterwithadifferentpartoradifferentpipeorcam,whatever.
Butyeah,injectors.
Right,yeah.
Um,becauseacoupleofthesocialmediaguysarereallyfixatedonyouhavetoputlargerinjectors,largerinjectors.
Andwe'lldoafullpodcastoninjectorsandallthat.
Butyeah,uh,oneveryimportantthingaboutinjectorsisthere'sonlyonethingthatcantellyouwhatsizeinjectorsyouwant,andthat'syourengine.
Yep.
Youcan'tlookatadynochartunlessthere'ssomethingverywrongwithit.
Youcan'tlookatthedynamicside,oh,thatneedsbiggerinjectors.
Yeah,theonlythingthatcouldtellyouthatisifthedynocharthasmuchmoredatathat99%ofpeoplewouldneverputonthere,anyways.
Soyouyouneedlogdata,youneedtoknowhowthebikeisrunning.
Butthedutycycle,thatinjector,that'sgonnatellyouwhetherwhetherit'smaxedoryouhaveenoughceilingonthedutycycle,that'stheonlything.
Andandobviouslyabiggerproblemisifyouputtwolargeinjectorsin.
That'sabiggerprobleminmostcasesthanatoosmall,becausetoosmallinjectorsaregonnaaffecttheupperrightsideoftheupperhighRPMofthecurve.
You'regonnarouteaninjectorwhereyou'renotgonnaberunningthatthatareaveryofteninmostcases.
Yep.
Onthestreetandsuch.
Butifyouputlargerthannecessaryinjectors,you'regonnahaveapulsewidthatatlowRPM.
Youknow,ititonceitdropsunderacertainpulsewidth,it'sgonnagononlinearandtheinjector'sgonnafalloffandandyou'regonnahaveallkindsofissuestherecontrollingthat.
Right.
Sominimumpulsewidthisreallyjustthesamebutoppositeofwhathappenswhenyoumaxdutycycleonaninjector.
Whenyouhaveprobablyworsebecauseyou'renotstartingthebikeorleavingstopsigns.
Right,right,exactly.
Yeah,you'reright.
That'sinextremelyfineareasofthetunethatrequireprecisionatreallylightthrottlewhereyouyouwantmoreresolution,youlosethatextremelybecauseuh,underacertainpulsewidthandaninjector,it'slikeIsaid,it'sjustlikewhenyoumaxadutycycle.
Whenyou'retoolow,nowthatinjectorisextremelyhardtomodulatetosomuchofthisreallyishavingthefirsthanddataandknowingitversussomebodytellingyou,youknow,rightorregurgitatingorreusingwhatsomebodyhas.
Well,evenworsethanthatnowisAI.
That'sprobablytheworst.
Youcouldsay,whatexhaustpipeorwhatsizebaffleshouldIuse?
Theyaskitintoasearchenginenow,right?
LikeAIisjustscrapingdatafromwhereveritknows.
Itdoesn'treallyhelp.
Yeah,anditdoesn'thelptoowhenallthesesameinfluencersorcelebrityshopstheyhaveextremelygoodrelevancy.
Anddon'tgetmewrong,theyhavealotofreallygoodvideos,evenonesthatdirectlycompetewithus.
AndthatinformationisdefinitelyinfluencingAIandsearchengines.
That'sspreadingalot.
Someonetalkingonsocialmediathatreachesacouplehundredthousandpeople,that'saloteasiertoshareandtoimmediatelysendtoyourfriendsorsendtoagrouporpostonyourpageorcomment.
AndsomeofthemarenotnecessarilypeoplethathavebeenintheindustryandtheywereworkingonHarley'sandlearnedhowtotuneandwhatpartsandeverythingtouseafterthefact.
Theindustrydictatedwhattheyshoulduseandandwhattheywantedtosell.
Sotheyhaveavestedinterestinpromotingthat.
Andgoingbacktonothavingtobethesmartestguyintheroom,I'mgonnaviolatethatmyselfforaminute.
Butnothingismorecomicaltomethanwatchingavideoorseeinganinternetpost,orevensomebodysendinganemailtellingmeoryouhowthingsareorstaffhere,whenIcanseeit'ssomethingIwroteoryouwrote,right,orsomethingwetalkedaboutinavideoawhileback,orevenothercompaniesworkwith.
I'mlike,hey,Iknowwhowrotethatorsaidthatphrase.
Evenwhenwe'renotnecessarilypeoplethatsaiditorthatknowit,I'mthere'slikemuchofourdataoffouruniversitysiteiscopiedandpasted,notonjustforumsandFacebookgroups,butonothercompanies'websites.
Somuchofthat.
Right.
Webdataandproductinformation.
Theyscrapeoursitesandyeah,andandthat'sdon'tgetmewrong.
Imean,evenabouttheAIthing,that'stoourbenefitsometimestoo.
Theredefinitelyisasignificantamountof,likeJamiesaid,ourinformationfromouruniversitypageandalotofourproductinformationthatit'sprobablybiasedtowardsusintermsofsomeofthepagesthathavealotoftrafficandseemtobewellaccepted.
Thatinformationisscrapedfromoursitetoo.
Soit'shardtoseparateitnow.
That'swhyAIisaverysubjectivetopic.
Attheendoftheday,Itellpeopleregularlydon'taskAIhowtotuneyourbike.
You'reeithergoingtoworkwithsomeonethatdoesiteverydayandtrusttheirworkortryanddoityourselfwithAI,althoughIhaven'treallyseenthebestresultswiththatandacrossanyofthethings.
Especiallyonthetuningsigns.
Yeah.
Inclosing,wewantedtodothispodcastforthemainreasonofcustomersbeingabletopurchaseandmakeinformeddecisionsonfreewill.
Yep.
That'swhatitcomesdownto.
Imean,thatisreallythefoundationwhenIstartedthiscompany.
That'showIdidit.
Iwantedtodoit,howIwantedtodoit.
Andatthetime,20someyearsago,thatwasreallydifferentbecausewewantedtohelppeoplewithfuelmapsandbeveryreadilyavailablebyemailandbyphoneandhelppeoplewiththeirpurchasesandputpackagestogether.
Andactually,that'soneoftheveryfirstthingsIdidwhenIwasattheHondashop.
IwasputtingpackagestogetherforVTX1800s,alltheHondaCBRs,RC51s.
Andthenitwentintolet'sdopackagesforR1s,GSXRs.
IwasalwaysabigGSXRguy,ofcourse,butthat'sreallywherethisallstarted.
Andagain,wecan'tthankeverybodyenoughforallthegreatcustomersandyearsthatwe'vehadhere.
Wereallyappreciateallthebusinessandfriendshipswehadovertheyears.
Andwewouldlovetojustgivetheadvicedon'tbediscouragedtodoyourownwork,todoyourowntuning,toshareyourexperiences.
Becausethat'swhatwe'redoinghere.
AndthatreallycreatedsomethingthatIreallythinkwasspecialoveralltheyears.
Imean,anhonestandandneutralmarketplacethatwetryandofferbyallmeansisveryevidentinthefactthatwehaverelationshipswitheveryone.
Imeanitmightlookacertainwayonsocialmediatosomepeopleforsure.
Butifyoucomehereandlookatourinventoryandwhatwestockandwhatwesell,weworkwitheverybrand,everyshop.
Ifyoucallhere,ifyoubuy,ifyouwantustosell,wearevery,veryneutralandopenandjustforeveryone.
There'senoughworkoutthereforeveryoneandenoughpeoplethatneedpartsfromeverybrand.
Andthat'swhywetrytocarryitall.
Okay,we'regonnawrapupfortoday.
AndIthankeverybodyforjoiningandhitusuponthenextepisode.
Thankyou.
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