Episode 92: IAA (Irritations, Annoyances, Aggravations)
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Episode 92: IAA (Irritations, Annoyances, Aggravations)
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Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people recognize. It has a unique shape and is known for being very fast and fun to drive.
Term
gutted interior
A gutted interior means that most of the inside parts of the car, like seats and carpets, have been removed. This is usually done to make the car lighter and faster, especially for racing.
Car
Bmw Ix3
The BMW iX3 is an electric version of BMW's X3 SUV. It uses electric power instead of gasoline, making it more environmentally friendly.
Car
BMW Neue Klasse
The BMW Neue Klasse is a new line of cars from BMW that focuses on modern looks and new technology. They are working on making these cars more electric and environmentally friendly. It's talked about because it's part of BMW's plan to change how they make cars in the future.
Car
BMW 2002
The BMW 2002 is a small, classic car made by BMW in the late 1960s and 1970s. It's known for being stylish and fun to drive, helping BMW become popular for making sporty cars.
Term
suspension
Suspension is what helps your car ride smoothly over bumps and turns. It includes parts like springs and shock absorbers that keep the car stable and comfortable.
Term
differential
A differential is a part of your car that helps the wheels turn at different speeds, which is important when you're going around corners. It makes sure your car stays balanced and doesn't skid.
Car
Mercedes-Benz GLC
The Mercedes-Benz GLC is a fancy SUV that is comfortable and has a lot of cool features. It's a good choice for families because it has plenty of space and a smooth ride. People talk about it because it mixes luxury with everyday usability.
Car
Mazda GLC
The Mazda GLC was a small car that Mazda made in the late 70s and early 80s. It was one of the first cars Mazda sold in the US and helped the company grow in popularity.
Car
Mazda 3
Mazda is a car company that makes reliable and enjoyable cars, like the Mazda3, which is a small and efficient vehicle. They focus on making cars that are fun to drive while also being practical. People mention Mazda because they are known for their quality and sporty feel.
Term
grille treatment
Grille treatment is how the front grille of a car looks and is designed. It's important because it can make the car look more attractive and can remind people of older car styles.
Term
50s Mercedes grilles
50s Mercedes grilles refer to the style of the front grilles used on Mercedes-Benz cars from the 1950s. They often had a unique pattern that made them look classy and luxurious.
Term
lit up
'Lit up' means that the grille has lights in it, which can make the car look more modern and help people see it better at night.
Term
LEDs
LEDs are small lights that use less energy and last a long time. Many cars use them for things like headlights and decorative lights.
Term
LCD
LCD is a type of screen that shows information in cars, like speed and navigation. It's known for being clear and using less power.
Car
Pagani
Pagani is a brand that makes very fast and expensive sports cars. They are known for their cool designs and powerful engines, but they are not very common on the roads.
Term
MB-Tex
MB-Tex is a type of synthetic material used in Mercedes cars for the seats and interior, which is very tough and easy to clean.
Term
vinyl upholstery
Vinyl upholstery is a type of material used for car seats and interiors that is strong and lasts a long time.
Car
Kia Soul
The Kia Soul is a small car that looks a bit like a box. It's known for being roomy inside and has a fun design that many people like.
Brand
Tog
Tog is a car brand from Turkey that focuses on making electric cars. It's part of Turkey's efforts to enter the car market with new technology.
Concept
electric vehicle (EV)
Electric vehicles, or EVs, are cars that run on electricity instead of gasoline. They are considered better for the environment because they produce fewer emissions.
Brand
Rubell
Rubell is a new car company from Turkey that makes electric cars, including a new sedan model. They're part of the trend of new car companies focusing on electric vehicles.
Term
EV
An EV, or electric vehicle, is a car that uses electricity to run instead of gas. This makes them better for the environment and can save money on fuel.
Car
Porsche Boxster
Car
Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that is fun to drive and has a powerful engine. It's known for being well-balanced and great for people who love driving. The discussion about it relates to how Porsche is planning to make electric versions of their cars in the future.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Dodge Challenger is a big, powerful car that looks like the classic muscle cars from the past. It's famous for being fast and stylish.
Car
Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger is a big car that can be fast and sporty, similar to the Challenger but designed as a four-door sedan.
Car
Ferrari Testarossa
The Ferrari Testarossa is a famous sports car from Ferrari that was made in the 1980s and 1990s. It has a unique look and is known for being very fast and powerful.
Car
BMW F80
The BMW M3 is a fast and powerful version of a regular BMW car, designed for people who love speed and performance. The F80 is a specific model that came out a few years ago and is known for being really fun to drive. It's often talked about because it's one of the best sports cars you can buy.
Car
Ferrari SF90
The Ferrari SF90 is a very fast and powerful car that uses both a traditional gasoline engine and electric motors. This combination helps it go faster and be more efficient.
Brand
Ferrari
Ferrari is a famous car company from Italy that makes very fast and expensive sports cars. They are known for their bright red cars and success in racing.
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All right.
Well, should we get into actually talking
about stuff that we can talk about?
Yeah.
On what, our show?
On our show, Peter?
On the podcast.
Yeah.
Welcome to Tire, the podcast for people
who understand that cars are bad.
With your friends, Rory Carroll, Matthew Riley, Peter Hughes.
It is the first week of October.
We made it through some more months.
You never know.
I couldn't shop out over the weekend.
It's good.
That's got to feel nice.
First time since.
Did you, what did you like, get rid of things?
No.
It literally, when we finished the Lada that night,
like before the hill climb, I did not clean it
or did not pick anything up.
So it's just like putting things back where they belong.
But it was, yeah, then I built a bunch of stuff.
I built some sculpture stuff and built.
So the washers.
I brought the 911 back to the washers.
That was awesome.
That was really a good kid moment.
But yeah, it's pretty spotless.
I'm not spotless in there, but it's another couple hours away
from being spotless.
But yeah, yesterday I was home alone with one of the babies
and I was going out to the shop to clean
because we were supposed to shoot video last night.
And then she was sitting there watching a cartoon
or something and I was like, do you want to go outside?
And she was like, no, not really.
And I was like, do you want to come work in the shop?
And she was like, yeah.
She was like, what can I do?
And I was like, I've got some wires
that I can cut up for you.
And she was like, all right.
So like gave her some wire and like a bucket of washers
and some like really grown up grade model paint.
Like paint for like, you know,
Ravel models or whatever.
And then gave her some wire cutters.
That's the smell of my childhood, man.
Those testers.
Those rubber cement and the paint.
They're thinner.
Yeah.
But she like, she went, she'd spent the good like hour
and a half or two hours in there like cutting wire
with the wire cutter and then like bending them with pliers
and like making little like painting like,
literally painting like a hundred washers
in various different, it was cool.
Incredible.
Oh my God.
Rory's daughter's a Gundam kit.
Go to this place.
Yeah, for real.
Yeah.
Where'd you get your daughters into Gunpla?
I know, it's like, but it's like, that was so gratifying.
And it's like, you know, like I didn't, you know,
it's like just sitting set up with my little
welding fixture table.
It's like, oh, I could just like put them both
out here all the time and they can hang out in here
and inhale the things that I'm inhaling.
Yeah.
Did I tell you guys about the thing that happened?
I mean, this was a few weeks ago.
I was just bringing Natalia, my daughter home
from something and we pull into the driveway
and she gets out of the car and she's like,
I need to go smell the garage.
And, you know, our garage, we have this little one car
garage that's like a 1935 house.
It's like basically like the size of a fucking walk-in
closet, you know, especially because it's got
all the entire sob interior in there taken apart
and bikes and lawn mowers and just fucking,
it's just, you know, completely filled with garbage.
But she gets out, she's like, I gotta smell the garage.
I'm like, wait, what?
She's like, I just love the smell of it.
And she goes and she, oh, you know,
she throws the door up and just goes
and she's just standing there in the dark, in the garage,
just in this like weird reverie of just like,
just breathing it in.
And I was so taken about like, and I took a picture
of just her just like in this kind of mid reverie.
And it's so funny because it's like, I mean,
you know, I mean, I've mentioned, you know,
numerous times on here that like she's not, you know,
neither my wife nor my kid are particularly into cars,
you know, she hasn't been bitten by the bug
in any particular way.
But it's like, but obviously I have transmitted some,
some brain damage to her that she wants to go
into the garage and just breathe deeply, inhale the,
because that smell is gutted sob interior,
motor oil, gasoline, WD-40, you know,
every other kind of like fucking solvent, starter fluid,
just let you just spilled everything.
And, you know, it's just that cocktail of just ancient
car stuff and the fact that like, that somehow stimulates
something in her brain that she wants.
And the thing that was funny is later that day,
I was, I think Sam Smith texted me about something
and we were texting back and forth
and I was telling him about this.
And I sent him the picture of her.
And then I realized like, she's kind of like,
she's kind of turned away from the camera,
but like her head is kind of like tilted back looking.
And she's got like these pearl earrings
that she just like have become her like signature thing
that she wears, like these pearl earrings
that I think belong to my mom, you know,
it's just in this jewelry box that we gave to her
that, you know, somebody gave to us and I realized
like looking at this picture, it's like, oh my God,
it looks fucking exactly like that Vermeer painting.
Oh, the girl in the mirror.
You know, like the girl in the girl in the pearl earrings
except she's like picture that girl
except instead of being in, you know,
whatever 17th century Delft or whatever,
I don't know we're fucking when Vermeer lived,
but she's just like in this garage,
just like transported by the smell of.
That's awesome.
I have two similar updates, baby olfactory things.
So I bought those cigarettes for Goodwood
for part of my one of the days I was gonna be a greaser.
So I bought lucky strikes and then
smoked a bunch of them and a bunch of other people
smoked a bunch of them and they were super nasty,
but I brought them home, put them in a drawer
and obviously the girls found them immediately
and the little one was trying to figure out
how to smoke it, played her mouth
and trying to figure out how to like how to get it
to the thing.
Oh my God.
Classic.
And the oldest sister of course.
Is she just like over the like trying to light it
on the burner of the stove?
And it's like, yeah.
No, no, that's a induction.
Inductive, yeah.
That's not gonna happen.
No, she couldn't figure out, you know,
the relationship between the fire and the cigarette.
Like how do you get it going?
Like she wouldn't occur to her to use a lighter.
And then she got, she got ratted out, of course.
But he wasn't the one.
We had some explaining to do.
Oh, that's so funny.
And then, so that happened.
And then like a couple nights later,
I was out in the shop and I used to have these
Peterson pipes, these old like Irish pipes
that I don't remember how I got them.
But I had some pipes out there and I found them
and I was like, I'm gonna smoke a pipe or whatever.
I was working late at night and smoked a pipe
and then I got called back in because the same one,
the baby who smokes was like,
which is the name she gave herself, incidentally.
Do you know that story, right?
No.
So when she was like three, when she was three,
she used to like put something in her mouth,
like a pencil or whatever and go,
I'm the baby who smoked.
I'm the baby who smokes.
And then she got obsessed with smoking for like a year
and then I caught her talking to her older sister
and she didn't know anyone was around and she goes,
where do I get my real smoker from?
She's like, and then like we'd be watching
Lord of the Rings and like,
get an alpha command.
Do you ever get her like the candy cigarettes?
No, you know, we're not trying to get her to that.
Do they make those anymore?
Yeah, yeah, no they do.
Those are so good, man.
But we were watching Lord of the Rings
and under her breath, she was like,
I like that guy, he's got that big smoker.
Gandalf has got the big pipe.
Anyway.
I'm still not past, I'm the baby who smokes.
That's like, I'm the baby who smokes.
It was like her character that she was doing.
Yeah.
It's like an Akewin comic happening inside your house.
And then she goes,
anyway, I caught her talking to her sister
and she goes, just wait until I get my real smoker.
She's like, get my real smoker.
Anyway, so I smoked this pipe out in the garage
and then I got called in
because she had like a, she had caught her hand
and needed some like home surgery.
Which is like, she trusts me to do that now
which is very sweet.
But I obviously smelled like tobacco when I came in.
Which is a nice, like a pipe tobacco is like a nice.
Yeah.
It's like sweet.
Yeah.
And she goes, dad, you smell so good.
That was like a, yeah, that's tobacco.
It's that stuff you like.
It's that stuff that somehow you were born obsessed with.
And also it's like one of the worst things
that you can do to your body.
I'm the baby who smokes.
I'm the baby who smokes.
Oh.
God, that's so funny.
Dude, that's so funny.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Maybe by the time she's old enough to buy cigarettes,
smoking will be good for you again.
At least it'll be cool.
It's not cringe like vaping.
We can hope.
They should, they gotta be, they gotta be working on that.
It is funny, you know, like the other, the other day
they, there's an old gas station down the street
that they demoed and replaced with like a nice new
gas station.
This is like right across the street from the,
from the middle school.
And, and so there's like this brand new gas station
that finally opened.
And it's like, you know, it's like a whole mini mart.
I forget the whatever our local mini mart changes,
changes.
And we're dry, you know, again, driving my daughter
and her friends around and we passed it.
And I was like, oh, look, the place is open.
They're like, oh yeah, no, it opened last week.
And I go, wow, have you guys been in there?
Is it nice?
They're like, yeah, it's fine, whatever.
Man, I gotta maybe, maybe I'll just dip in there
and get some cigarettes or something.
And, and like, and it actually got like,
like a real laugh, but almost like kind of like
a scandalized, like they couldn't believe that I said that.
Like that, you know, a parent was making that joke.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
And yeah, like a.
Yeah, our oldest was, was like, very,
you can imagine, was very like, who's are these?
Are you, are you smoking these?
You know what the Surgeon General says about these?
Yeah, you know, this is really bad for you.
And it was like.
Did you get the lucky strikes in England?
No, in the States.
You brought them over?
Yeah.
Because in the UK, they have like the,
like the equivalent of the Surgeon General's warning
on the cigarettes is like.
Yeah, yeah.
These nightmare photos of like, yeah.
People's horrifying teeth and just, you know, yeah.
Like.
It's like just pretty.
It's literally like, yeah.
It's like if you're, if you're like a gore junkie,
like that would, that would even just like
heighten the appeal, right?
Yeah.
You're like, they're trying to scare me away.
Because they want me to be cool.
This is proof.
Yeah, we, it was, I definitely felt like,
and then it was like, would you feel better
if they were thrown away?
And it was like, yeah, you know,
let me see you throw them away.
Like, very serious, that one.
I did used to steal my mom's cigarettes out of the car
when she dropped me off at school
and like run to the school and throw them away
in the trash.
That was a thing that I did for several years.
That's very cute.
Now that's like a, that's like a $20 proposition doing that.
Well, I mean, no, she never knew what I was going to do it.
So it worked a couple of times,
just kind of like discouraging the investment.
Yeah, right.
But I mean, like at least smoking,
like if you're going to do something bad
for your lungs, at least smoking like looks cool.
It's not like vaping, which is just like bad.
It's not, I just can't, I can't.
The vibes are just like, there's no Riz in the vape.
It's not good.
No.
I gotta say, I do like that the pipe in the shop
is a nice, nice experience.
Sounds good.
You can imagine, yeah.
It's kind of, I think when I started doing it,
it was very, I was like 23, you know?
And I was like, so.
Yeah, it's one of those like old man affectations.
Very much so.
I remember, this is a very good story.
This is like me getting really put in my place,
but I was dating this older woman
and I was like out with a bunch of her friends
who are like in the 30s,
who seemed like impossibly old to me,
like these are like.
Right.
Sophisticated women.
No, that's men and women.
So I was out and I pulled the pipe out
and I was like, sorry, this is gross or whatever.
I think I referred to it as a habit.
And then one of the guys goes,
it's not a habit, it's an affectation.
He's like, you look ridiculous.
And I was like, no, I don't.
I was like, oh cool.
And but he, like looking back on that,
I don't even remember who it was,
but he was so right.
And it's like, I want to find him
and be like, dude, you fucking got me good.
Like that was your correct.
It saved my ass.
It's like the most like Tom Waits kind of thing where it's like.
Totally.
Yeah.
Humiliating.
It's like your 23.
Total try hard.
Yeah.
So I kind of put it away for a long time
because he was right.
Like obviously it's like not something I did in public.
But now in the shop by myself,
that guy's not around.
No one can tell that I'm only now
just admitting to it on the pod.
So.
But you like look cool and distinguished now.
Well, the thing is now, now you've earned it.
You got a little, you got a little gray in your beard,
you know?
It's like, that's, it's not.
No, you're chilling.
It's not age inappropriate.
You can, you can pull it off now.
Yeah.
It's, it's a very nice.
Yeah.
You get like a good tobacco buzz.
And I don't think you really like inhale a ton of it.
And it's also just like, it's just tobacco.
Like it's just.
It's like a cigar, right?
Where it's more just like about tasting it
and not, not like.
I think for me it's about.
Not inhaling so much.
For me, it's about doing it a ton
until you get like a little bit of a headache.
Cause I don't really, as we know,
I don't really drink anymore.
So any, like even the saddest little buzz is like,
ooh, like, this is cool.
Like I feel different.
Um.
It feels different.
Yeah.
It's like, I remember, oh, this was great.
Worcestered line.
It's like, is this good?
Is it bad?
I don't know.
It's different.
But it's different.
I feel real different.
Yeah.
I, uh, I had a, I was telling
John Tim, uh, who you met John on the way back from the wedding.
Yeah.
He, he also, um, so Maddie, I introduced John as the guy
who has the country band in Trevor city.
And John was like, he's like, man, he's like,
I felt so self-conscious saying that when you told,
when you told Peter, I was the guy at the country band.
He's like, I make real music too.
And I was like, yeah, I know.
Like Peter knows that too.
Just like it's a fun thing that you do.
And he's like, does he really know that?
And I was like, what, why do you care?
It's like, it's like, you got to tell him.
He's like, you got to tell him, I've got other stuff.
I'd like write real music too.
And I'm like, I'll tell him.
So this is me telling you.
Okay.
That's so cute.
But, um, but then he was like, you know what?
I'm proud of it.
And he was like, I'm proud of it.
I'm ha, I have fun.
Like, if you know, like, I'm like, yeah, you should.
That's great.
It's a, and I think, uh,
we got into a big conversation.
The music is supposed to be fun.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
That's the whole point.
But yeah, I, um, he was like,
I was telling him, I was listening to a lot of Molina again.
And he was like, oh, you got to listen to this, uh,
this really like posse song by this other artist
that he's listening to.
Um, his name is Benjamin Todd or something like that.
He's like a, one of those Nashville country guys.
And he sends me like this super happy,
not super happy, but it's like a hopeful song.
Like, uh, things are going bad right now.
But, you know, everything's going to get better or whatever.
And I listened to it and I was like, yeah, it's fine.
And then like discovered the rest of this guy.
It's like back catalog,
which is all about like, uh,
shooting heroin and like, uh,
Oh, one of those.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Disgusting, uh, rat person.
And I was like, ooh.
This is why he wrote that one song about things getting
better.
Yeah.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
But I was like, uh,
man, John, this really backfired.
You're like trying to,
trying to put me in a better mood.
And now I listened to this heroin guy.
Now I have this.
It's good.
Cause I'd listened to all of the Molina I could listen to.
So now we've got to just add, add that on.
But, um, yeah.
So that's the shop time lately.
Anyway, do we have stuff we were supposed to talk
about on the podcast?
I feel like I've just like.
This is great.
I mean, honestly.
Good content.
Peter, what do you got?
Yeah.
I wanted to talk about some stuff.
I mean, this is kind of a little bit of old news now,
but there was that Munich auto show a while back,
like a month ago.
What do they, they called it something.
What do they call it?
Munich auto.
Oh yeah.
I had like a.
20, the.
I had a confusing name where I couldn't tell
what it was actually about.
IAA mobility.
Oh, I've got it.
I've got it.
The Munich auto show.
Also known as the international automobile Austelung.
IAA.
Fuck if I know what Austelung is,
but automobile, I got it.
Yeah.
There were, there were a number of things.
I mean, first of all, so this happened.
Shit.
What did it happen?
It happened.
September 9th to 14th.
So a month ago.
But it's notable because this is,
I mean, it's a big car show thing that we've been kind of
talking about, you know, the death of.
Going away.
Right.
But this one still going on,
but it's happening in Germany at, you know,
I feel like the context is important a couple of weeks
or a week or two before
before this car show opened.
Mobility thing.
The story's coming out of Germany.
I mean, this is Bloomberg,
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz
said tackling the country's economic challenges
is proving to be a far greater undertaking
than he initially anticipated.
I say this also self critically,
this task is bigger than one
or the other may have imagined a year ago,
Merz said in a speech on Saturday,
we're not just in a periodic of economic weakness,
we are in a structural crisis of our economy.
So that's what's going on in Germany.
Biggest exporter industrial powerhouse
struggling with persistently high energy costs
in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine
and the turmoil of U.S. trade tariffs.
No mention of the fact that we blew up their pipeline.
I will say there's a lot of German defense stocks.
Defense companies are doing quite well.
Well, that's kind of,
that's a thing that they're pivoting to.
Yeah, I mean,
I mean, kind of equally distressing.
Troubling, not great.
But yeah, corollary to that,
this was from a story the same week in DW,
German car industry sheds 51,500 jobs in a year.
Dip equates to almost 7% of the total workforce
in the German auto sector.
Faltering exports to China and the U.S. play a role
as new tariffs raise barriers to entry
in both of these core markets.
So yeah, things not going great as far as Germany
and particularly their auto industry.
Into this though, we had a number of notable
German manufacturer debuts at this car show.
The one, the BMW iX3,
which is our first like actual look
at a road going production car
incorporating their Neue Klasse kind of new
styling and kind of whole just direction
thing that they kind of started.
They trotted out a few years ago on some concept cars,
kind of saying this is gonna be our whole new thing
like clean sheet of paper or wiping away the old
and going with this totally new design language.
The original like that first car
that concept car that they showed,
which was just like a very clean
and cool looking kind of three box sedan.
You know, I mean, for me that was like a welcome.
Like it had this kind of elegant simplicity too.
Yeah, kind of like the Neue Klasse cars.
Yeah, like evocative of like a 2002, you know?
You know, 60s BMW is just very clean,
simple, elegant, the thing that they kind of
made their brand with originally.
So, but of course like the,
and they've been touting this for years
and kind of trotting out these sneak peeks
of forthcoming things.
So this iX3, which is an EV SUV,
I mean, it looks fine.
It does incorporate some of that design language
with like the kind of old school twin kidney grill
and this new kind of headlight signature
and like some kind of like side modeling stuff
that like, it doesn't look as like confused
like as aggressively kind of defying you to like it,
the way that BMW's recent vintage have kind of been notable for
that kind of in-your-face thing.
It's like an adversarial design.
Right, exactly.
Fuck you.
Yeah, this is a bit more cohesive.
But it also like, and maybe this is just the fact
that it's like, it's a fucking mid-sized SUV.
So I mean, it just somewhat diluted, I would say.
It just looks like every,
it just looks like like every fucking mid-sized SUV now,
they're all the same identical shape
and it's just like, what lines are you drawing on it?
You know, it's like you take a balloon
and draw a face on a balloon, you know?
It's like, that's basically what designers
are dealing with here.
So a little bit, I mean, not unwelcome
but kind of underwhelming to me.
The other thing that I've been reading about
is just like how it's not just about design
but this whole, this kind of like,
heart of joy thing that they're selling
that is, these cars have like four different
kind of electronic brain systems going on
and this is one of the things that is supposedly revolutionary
about them is just like how sophisticated
the computer controls are
and how everything is
updateable like on the fly.
You know, you can push software and firmware updates
to this ever more kind of software
and firmware dependent platform.
And that owners should expect
these updates like multiple times a year.
And also, I mean, BMW has been like one of the kind
of manufacturers like really kind of leading the charge
with trying to kind of implement this like,
these kind of subscription models, you know,
where it's like, yeah, your car comes with,
you know, X amount of power, but you have to pay,
you know, an extra, you know, however many dollars a month
to unlock that, you know, or like just like new,
you know, whatever kind of interior features.
I mean, this is just like the most
for your heated seats, but you have to pay $2 to turn.
Exactly, to turn it on.
I'm sorry, I'm kind of hung up.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I mean, the finish or not?
Well, I mean, the other, the other,
I gotta tell this.
Yeah, I mean, the thing with the fucking
perpetually updating software
is like in a car, I just feel like this is just such a,
I mean, this happens in my fucking Hyundai, you know,
where like maybe once or twice a year,
you'll get a little notice on, you know,
when you start the car, it's like,
oh, there's a new, do you wanna download your new thing?
It takes 20 minutes.
It's like, well, yeah, not right now,
I'm fucking going somewhere.
Yeah.
I need to use my car.
I'm actually out here
because I'm going somewhere, yeah.
Right, but and then like,
and then when you get home and you turn,
and it's like, you know, so I usually just like,
it'll go like a few days or a week or whatever.
And finally, I'll just be like, all right,
fucking do the fucking thing, man.
I'm tired of just being annoyed, hectered.
So you get home and you say, yeah, go do it, do the thing.
And so it does.
And then the next time you get in the car,
your shit has all been reconfigured,
your preferences are all changed.
Or if that's not the case, sometimes,
and this has been the case
like for six months in my car now,
you know, I've got my little blue steering wheel end buttons,
you know, which you can configure to,
you know, you press it once, you get just end mode,
you press it twice, you get your custom thing,
you can set two different custom kind of profiles for,
you know, for your various suspension,
engine, differential, whatever.
Which I mean, that shit is great,
you know, it's totally configurable,
like I have my things that I like.
And maybe every fifth time I go to use one of these buttons
to engage like my, you know, my preferred end mode,
it goes back to default dashboard,
default settings, everything.
And I have to like manually go back in
and reconfigure my button settings,
just to set them to do the thing that I want it to do.
And it's really fucking aggravating,
because like it might be a kind of thing
where you're driving along in an eco, you know,
and you want to like, oh, I need to pull out of this,
you know, this driveway,
and I need to make like a really fast,
like left turn to get out of the way of traffic
or whatever.
And so I'll like kick it into like extra power mode.
And it doesn't do it.
Like it puts me back in like,
and it's just, God fucking damn it.
So yeah, it's just, and this has been the case,
like for six months, and they keep saying,
and yeah, it's like, oh yeah,
it's a bug with the most recent update.
It's like, well, fucking fix it, put it back.
They still haven't done it.
It's still fucking like every fucking time.
Like I said, I mean, multiple times a week
of driving this fucking car, I have to deal with this.
So aggravating, so stupid.
And it's like, and think about like,
you know, every time you're fucking,
your phone needs, you know, they push a new phone thing.
So you gotta update your software or whatever.
It's always, there's always something janky in it.
You know, there's always some thing
that they wrecked, that they broke.
And it's just like, with a car.
It's like, yeah, the whole software,
it's like, we gotta go the other direction, you guys.
I do not, stop breaking my car.
Yeah, we have, Tim Stevens has a post for Eloy
coming up about that where he's like,
I watched this happen in gaming
where it's like, do ship unfinished products
and then update them over time to try to get them.
And it's like, he's like, it ruined gaming for a long time.
And he's like, it's going to do the same thing to cars.
Like, you know, the Rivian, I think,
updates every few months.
And generally like, it's not broken when it updates.
There was that one incident where it updated
when I was somewhere and it just was dead for an hour.
Which was maddening.
So I've just hung up on the German economy
failing, rising unemployment, increasing militarism.
Militrism, yes.
And also the joy car, what were they saying?
The joy, something to joy.
It's like, what if the Germans start talking about joy?
It's like, what are you guys doing?
You're not supposed to be doing any of that stuff.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We had an agreement that you would not do
any of this stuff anymore.
You can't do it anymore.
And they're doing it.
But the, yeah, I really, I think the Rivian thing
was really an effort on my part
to see if I could handle a modern car
and see if I could like.
You know, like, okay, like, let's see, like.
How bad is it?
Yeah, or just like,
you know, can I exist in this world?
And the answer is very firmly no.
It's like, I cannot.
I mean, it's a thing like there's so many things
about new cars that like, that are great.
You know, they're fucking comfortable.
They drive incredibly well compared to like
cars from even, you know, 20 years ago.
The level, the standards of just overall drivability.
I mean, it's amazing, you know?
But the fact that the price,
the price that we've had to pay for those improvements.
I mean, it's almost just like ruining.
Realizing, yeah, I think like I'm realizing about myself,
like the, I'm generally pretty calm,
like even keeled type of person,
but like the thing that's,
I also think that there's probably like a deep well of rage
inside of me on somewhere that I'm not regularly accessing,
but I think like the, what does dip into the world
of the well is little things like my headphones
disconnecting and connecting to my car
because I walked by the car.
Like that is like, there was another one this weekend
with my fucking iPhone where it was like,
oh, this is so stupid.
Okay, this is a great one.
But in the shop you connect the Bluetooth to the phone.
So you have your band camp going or whatever you have
podcast going and almost every app on your phone,
if you open it, like if you get a message
and open up Instagram, then Instagram,
you know, some videos may play or like some posts may play,
but you're not, it doesn't take over the audio of the phone.
Right.
TikTok, you get a TikTok message and you open TikTok.
TikTok does take over the audio.
So like whatever the stupid fucking TikTok person is doing
is like now playing over your speakers.
And it's like, why can't I turn that off?
Why can't I set that as a preference to just be like,
okay, none of the apps can take over the fucking audio.
This is like little stuff like that.
Uncontrollable seething white hot rage.
And it's like my immediate inclination is to throw
this like $1,000 device
that I do not have the money to replace
like overhand spike it through the floor,
which I've done before.
Like I did that, I did that in a banking situation
on the phone with the bank a few years ago.
He told me about this one.
Yeah, I did take a long time to resolve that situation
because my phone was like,
it was like a skeleton of a phone after that.
And that is not a position
you want to be going to the Verizon store
and they're like, what happened to this thing?
Or are you and I are more alike than you know?
Yeah.
One of the things that I also think about doing
is grabbing my phone, kind of like a knife,
like holding it in your hand like a knife
and forcing it through the screen in the car.
Yeah, two for one.
Stabbing it.
Yeah.
Don't ever do that stuff.
Obviously, it's over the one time.
That would, yeah, that would complicate the lease,
I think.
Yeah, it would not be.
They'd be like, what did you do here?
And it'd be like, I don't know.
I don't know, this just happened.
I just came out to the car one day and it was like this.
I was loading skis in from the back
and I stopped fast.
It was a phone sticking out of perpendicular from the...
The skis went into the screen.
I saw it happen.
They're like, God, that's crazy
because we have a camera in here.
We can see you smashing it with your phone.
That's right.
Yeah, we've been surveilling you.
Oh.
That's crazy,
because we're watching everything that you do in here.
Right.
And we're sitting, and the guys in white coats
are on their way to involuntarily put you away.
You know, I was explaining, sorry to digress again,
but we used to have the state mental hospital up here.
I think we've talked about this on the pod.
But it's this incredible building,
all kind of like gothic,
just like in this beautiful little setting.
And it was redeveloped in the 90s,
this guy Ray Minervini.
Like basically he was a local developer
and like staked his entire life on like,
I'm gonna redevelop this thing.
There's gonna be shops and restaurants
and apartments in it.
Everybody was like, that is a torture building
from the institution.
Right, there's bad vibes there, man.
Yeah, all the locals were like, no, that's terrifying.
I remember specifically we used to break in
and there was this like children's wing
and they had all these like super uncanny murals
on the wall of like the seven dwarfs,
which were like just poorly done enough
to be like super unsettling.
It was like an uncanny valley type situation.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We've got a big building like that too here
that's like just down the road from the U of R
kind of medical stuff.
But this was, I mean it's an abandoned building
but it's like a big like 50s kind of like, you know,
I mean probably 15 story kind of hospital style thing
but it's completely abandoned total like urbex thing
that like people go and yeah, apparently just like,
yeah, I mean they were doing like lobotomies and torture
and all kinds of just like nightmarish 50s
psychological treatments.
Yeah, so this has tunnels underneath it
but like it was colloquially like locals refer to it
as the state hospital growing up
because it was the state mental hospital.
And then of course like they deinstitutionalized
in the 60s and just let everyone go.
So like my dad grew up in that neighborhood
and he said like in the morning,
like on your way to school, you'd wake up
and there'd be like a dude like sleeping in your yard.
They didn't be like, all right buddy,
like you gotta move on.
But I was talking to the kids.
He's not just there because he's like waiting
for the hill climb to start.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was gonna say it's a little bit of empire flavor there.
So we'll just see what you get.
When I do it, it's funny.
When I do it, it's endearing.
So the kids were like, what's the deal with this?
Why do they call it that?
And I was like, oh, it was a mental hospital.
And they were like, oh, did people go there
like to get help?
And I was like, no, they got forced to go there.
And they were like, what was it like?
And I was like, well, they had a farm.
You could work on the farm all day.
They had like arts and crafts
and they had like your people made all this stuff there.
And I was like, in my head, I was like,
man, this sounds fine.
Like it was like, you know, like this totally self-sustaining.
Like they grew their own screwed.
And I was like, yeah, but I was like, man,
this like, if this was still a thing, like you could,
like people would probably be into this.
So I'd be like, yeah, I'm having mental health.
I need to go to this thing in Traverse City
and work on the farm for the rest of my life.
Like I doesn't sound that bad.
Yeah, I'm having mental health.
I need to go to the farm.
I'm good, I'm fine.
They had a massive, some kind of like record,
like maybe state record cow was born there
and there's a statue of her out in this big field.
It's kind of cool.
I could hang with the cow statue
if I was having mental health.
I would like that.
I don't think I want to work on the farm.
That's what I'm saying.
But I can go hang out with the cow, yeah.
There's, I mean, there are other jobs too.
Like it would, like I said,
it was a totally self-sustaining community.
So like you don't have to work on the farm necessarily
but that's what I would probably do.
I would be like, you know, like doing manual labor.
I think that's like suited, suits me
but you don't have to do that for some other.
You could torture kids in the seven doors theme building,
for instance.
Yeah, someone's gonna throw this switch to electric heat me
until I'm not a homosexual anymore.
Everyone's gotta have a job.
Yeah, probably would have been tough for you.
I always, I wasn't thinking about that.
They're in there, they keep zapping me.
I just get gayer and gayer and gayer.
It's just not working.
They've tried.
No dice.
We've developed some kind of super homosexuality.
Yeah, I'm just inventing homosexuality too back here.
They just keep zapping.
I mean, I just keep coming, my brain gets bigger.
We're actually hitting the set
before I give him too many ideas.
There are a couple of other notable debuts
from the-
Oh yeah, the car show.
From the Munich Motor Show.
The IA Car Show?
Aye, aye, aye.
This, another just kind of mid-sized SUV,
this one from Mercedes.
It's the new Mercedes GLC,
which I did not realize that Mercedes had been made
by making something called a GLC for,
I guess a while now, that that's kind of like the-
Top seller.
It kind of, it was upsetting to me to discover this
because to me, GLC, that's taken.
That's a Mazda.
That was, and it stood, it's the Mazda,
like in the late 70s, early 80s,
the kind of first little baby Mazdas
that they sold in the US,
which I guess would be like your Mazda 3 equivalent now,
kind of evolved into the 3T3 and subsequently 3.
Oh, it's so cute.
Oh my God.
The GLC, it stood for great little car.
Oh my God, it is.
And look at him right now.
And the thing about the Mercedes GLC is,
I mean, to me at least,
it appears to be none of those things.
It's-
It's huge, it's not a car.
Yeah, it's just another kind of big generic SUV,
but the most notable thing about it
is this new grille treatment
that it kind of has like,
yeah, it's, I mean, it's supposed to kind of evoke,
like look like the old kind of like 50s Mercedes grilles,
you know, where it's kind of this crosshatch thing going on.
But here these, they're lit up.
I mean, Mercedes, everybody's doing
the kind of light up grille things,
which I can go either way on.
Like sometimes I think that's kind of fun.
But this one, it's like the whole grille
is like all of these individual segmented
like little like one centimeter square squares
that would have been like the holes in the original grille.
Now they're like illuminated LEDs.
And I don't know, man, it's just, it's very,
it just looks kind of like, it doesn't look good.
And it looks like garish and I have to just think like,
you know, I can't just not picture that
with like half of the LEDs burned out.
You know, like in 10 years,
like if any of these are still on the road
10 years from now, 15 years from now,
how shitty it's gonna look
as those things like start to fail.
Or flicker or just, you know, do the thing that
all the LEDs do.
Yeah, is that, is that?
Just like, that's right, like cyberpunk.
Like the, like.
Right, kind of broken futuristic shit.
Yeah, this is, let me just go into my cyberpunk reality
for a second, but like, you know,
you're being tailed by some cyber cops
and you notice one of the LEDs is flickering
and that's how you can tell they're still behind you.
So it's like, even though you're in a lot of,
they're, thank you Maddie, you're in traffic and like,
but like that's how you keep noticing
that you're being tailed
if you keep seeing the LED kind of,
that could be a detail in my book.
That's good, actually.
Super good.
Did you guys see that the interior?
I mean, the other part of this car is just the interior,
which the one that I'm looking at is like white leather,
which I'm not, I'm not anti white.
I mean, I'm like pro like interior fun,
but something about like these Mercedes,
I mean, like this,
like Mercedes interiors now,
they're so over.
I mean, this has like full dashboard with screen like LCD.
So the entire fucking dashboard is lit up.
Half of the interior is chrome,
which like, like to me, like that's my nightmare
because it just means the sun,
like reflecting off this and blinding me, you know,
it's like, well, I could never drive a Picani
because it would just, I would, it would fucking kill me.
But it's just, it seems like, I don't know,
when did this happen that like Mercedes,
which historically, traditionally,
was always this like the most kind of conservative
and the German manufacturer is like by and large,
that was their hallmark, you know?
It was like, they were like these very conservative,
like in a good way.
I understand it, yeah.
Yeah, just like, like, and you know,
and with Mercedes, it's just like, just basic,
everything fucking basic, functional, you know,
form, you know, form defined by function,
and sober, you know?
Like soberness, you know,
and like the worst thing that you could accuse them of
was just being like dour, you know?
It's like so sober that it's just like, oh, you know,
come on, give us a little bit of fun.
But like, you know, and like Mercedes,
the thing that they were most famous for
was just like MB text, you know,
text, the upholstery, you know?
That it was just like this vinyl upholstery
that was like the most fucking indestructible shit
that humans, like, will ever create, you know,
this stuff that like, in a billion years, right?
There will be nothing left of the planet
other than just like these scraps
of fucking MB text floating around.
And just like, contrast that with just like this shit
that just looks like so disposable and so garish
and just like kitschy and tacky, you know?
Like, when did, like, I mean, I grew up on the,
you know, like when I was growing up,
it's like you had the Germans like doing this,
this kind of like sober functional stuff
and American cars were kind of like the, you know,
the laughing stock because like the interiors
were all just, you know, fake wood and fake chrome
and fucking velour and just like everything
just like shitty and tacky and kitschy.
And it's just like, how did this flip
that like the Germans are now just like,
and Mercedes in particular, it's just like completely,
I mean, it looks to me like a fucking 70s Cadillac.
You know?
I think this was like 20, I would say 20 mid-oughts
for sure, like 2013, 2015 was the big shift for them.
But I think like, you know, I would say probably like
the Mercedes customer is probably demanding
a little bit more flash.
But I would say too, like that's if it's just
got easier to do, you know what I mean?
Like, it's just kind of, it's like,
and I would say too, like the desire to have like real aluminum,
real metal surfaces in the interior
probably has dictated some of that stuff
where it's like, you know, you want this like feeling
of weight and quality behind everything,
which like, you know, variably like sometimes
that's delivered on it sometimes.
It isn't, but like, yeah, it is strange.
Like it is a little bit like,
no one's really doing the like sober minimalism thing anymore.
I mean, I think like, you know, the slight thing is like,
but it is another like, another note,
I guess, of programming note for the alloy thing.
It's like we have this thing from Brett Burke
about like luxury automakers and like
some of like the kind of tip of the spear
is like starting to understand that people don't
want all the stuff in their car.
And it's like, okay, how do we get like,
pair this back down to like...
Well, you start, I mean, as soon as you start
putting screens in everything,
then it's no longer this kind of like premium thing.
Like now it just, now it just looks cheap.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of situations where it's like...
And guess what?
The reason they're doing it is because it's cheap.
It's to fucking save money.
Yeah. And I think like that's, you know,
we saw the pendulum swing.
Like, you know, there are Mercedes and BMWs
that have screens in the buttons.
So like the actual control buttons and knobs
have screens on them.
Like a little tiny, this big,
that has like a little LED display in it.
I think we're probably gonna...
Like an Apple Watch kind of thing?
Smaller than that.
Yeah.
Why?
What are they putting in it?
Is it just like a temperature number or something?
I mean, I could imagine that.
That's fine.
You know, it's just a manual temperature
control that has the number in the middle.
I don't, that, you know,
as long as I have a fucking physical thing
that I can turn.
Yeah. Some of it's like drive mode.
You'll see like the little exhaust animation
or whatever.
Okay.
Whatever.
But yeah, it is like the screen thing...
Until it stops working.
Yeah. I mean, it's like the screen thing has,
I think crossed into that,
like this does look cheap now.
This does feel like lesser than.
Yeah.
So I think we'll probably start to see that swing
in the other direction.
I do think it's also like, it's interesting.
The big surprise to me was I was like,
I think like, I wanna say it was like Kia Soul
was like the first car to have like a changeable LED
light strips as like an element in the interior.
Like we could change the colors.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I think that's the case.
It was a cheap car.
But now everybody does.
Mercedes does.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rivian does.
Like you can change.
Yeah, my car's got it.
Full color.
Yeah.
But I'm pretty sure like that was initially
like a cheap like kids car thing.
You know what I mean?
It was like, oh yeah.
Like the 25 year olds who buy this car
theoretically are gonna love this.
And like.
Right.
It's like we put the underglow inside.
That's, yeah.
It's like fast and furious shit, you know?
Yeah.
No, I know.
And I think like, yeah.
There's some degree to all this stuff
where it's just like, it's like there's a period
with everything where you like find out what you can do.
You know what I mean?
Like we find out like what is.
Sure.
What you are able to do.
Yes.
And then the period after that is I was like,
why do we do all that?
You know what I mean?
It's the 70s cookbook, Jello full of hands.
But the car is full of screens.
They're just because you can.
I can get cool whip and Jello and ham and oysters.
And I can flip them all at a casserole dish.
Yeah.
But is that any good?
Is the thing?
And many times you find out not, no, not exactly.
No.
Maybe it wasn't.
It's like I didn't want cheese and Jello.
No, it's a great analogy.
Yeah.
No, I think that's probably pretty on the money.
Yeah.
The third of the notable German car show,
Munich car show debuts that I just wanted to touch on
real quick was that howdy concept seed.
Did you guys see that?
I didn't.
I was looking at the Tog, the Turkish car.
Oh, I don't know if I saw that.
Turkish EV startup, Rubell, the new sedan.
Tog, car.
It seems like a insane time
to have a Turkish EV startup.
No, I weren't just throwing some spaghetti at the wall.
I do think the, what am I looking for?
The outie, what, outie, what?
Outie concept C.
I'm looking at.
Oh, I did see that.
Yeah, that thing was wild.
Yeah.
It's a sports car.
I mean, it's supposedly EV-based,
kind of maybe platform sharing with the forthcoming Porsche,
Boxster, Cayman, EV, which by the way,
they just admitted that, yeah, we're gonna,
that won't be EV only after all,
just staunchly pulling a Dodge Challenger on us
or Charger, whatever the fuck that is.
Anyway, this outie concept C that is kind of halfway
between an outie TT and the R8,
kind of mid-engine, exotic,
size-wise, design-wise,
I think this car looks fucking spectacular.
It has this very kind of old-school German,
you know, teotonic,
I mean, very Bauhaus-looking car.
I mean, it looks like an outie TT kind of updated a bit,
but the thing that it also looks unmistakably like
and kind of, I feel like Steel's a bit of a thunder from
is that Jag, the concept 00.
Just in its like super bluff kind of front and rear end,
although I think that their kind of front-end treatment
is a little bit more successful
with kind of still keeping a bit of face to it.
It does look like this is maybe a maddie reference,
more than a Peter reference,
maybe maddie's too young for this though,
but Batman the animated series,
yeah, with doing the art, the deco kind of like,
but modern, but like a little bit, but yeah.
Yeah.
Like single surface.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that was the T,
I mean, it harkens back to not just the TT,
which itself was kind of like Fin de Seclès,
kind of update of like the auto unions,
like the 30s auto union race cars,
Grand Prix cars, which were just these kind of slab-sided,
just yeah, just very.
Yeah, we're not a bad steel yet really.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, but very functional,
very purposeful and very distinctive.
And in a way, I mean, it's bathtub, Porsche,
you know, it's all of those,
yeah, it's kind of like the good stuff
that we associate with German design.
So yeah, we'll see what happens with this concept,
see if that makes it to production in that form.
But supposedly this is also kind of a,
a kind of hint of Audi design direction to come,
which could be a good thing.
Yeah, that's cool.
If there's to continue to be a German automotive industry.
That'll be fine.
Yeah.
The, yeah, go ahead.
No, I'll just start.
Yes.
Go ahead.
You.
No, you go ahead.
Cause I'm moving on to a different thing.
I'm moving on to.
I was just going to do a long digression
that makes no sense.
So yeah.
Okay.
Well, let's just briefly mention,
did you guys see that new Ferrari Testerosa
that they unveiled?
So this is a,
it's the new kind of top range topping
serial production Ferrari.
So it's not like the,
I mean, they just kind of unveiled that,
that F80, which is like their kind of hyper car.
This is more like the successor to the SF 90,
mid-engines, hybrid, I think V8,
super expensive, super fast.
They called it the Testerosa,
which is a name last used in the 80s,
the iconic kind of Miami vice car
that everybody loves now.
People are really fucking mad
about this new Testerosa because it incorporates
some of the kind of more controversial aspects
of that F80 design.
And the thing is to me,
like this new Testerosa,
it, I mean, I will grant that it's somewhat polarizing,
but I don't think it's bad.
I think it's actually like pretty distinctive and good.
And especially just given that like,
so many of the other kind of the mid-engine,
you know, super car kind of form,
you know, has kind of just become like,
it's reached its end state evolution wise, you know,
and it really is, it's kind of,
it's the same thing as a fucking mid-size SUV
where it's just like people just drawing faces
on these shapes just to try and make them,
you know, distinct from one another.
I think with this new Testerosa,
it actually succeeds in being like,
like genuinely distinct from like
the equivalent McLarens or everything else
that's kind of looking so samey.
I think this, yeah, I think that the new Ferrari direction
overall, like across all these new cars is really good.
Like I think it's very like unexpected
and very like kind of almost harsh in a way
where it's like, yeah, it's like,
the cars look almost unfinished and in elegant in a way,
like they're, you know, like very racy
and very like, yeah, it's unlike anything else,
and I think, yeah, exactly, it really is striking.
And I think like, I don't know,
like it's not what I would have expected Ferrari to do,
but maybe that's why it's good, I guess, you know, like.
No, I think so.
And the thing about it, and the thing with people
being mad and about them calling it the Testerosa,
this is no Testerosa.
Fuck, the Testerosa sucked.
It's like, no, this is the thing.
Nobody fucking remembers this because most people weren't,
when that fucking car came out,
people did not like it, that car that everybody loves now
and agrees is just like this, you know, signature 80s thing.
It's like the most fucking 80s car ever made, right?
With the giant cheese graders on the side, whatever.
When that car was new, people were pissed off.
It's like, this is hideous, this is ugly.
I was fucking like 14 years old.
I was like, I don't know, man,
this looks pretty fucking cool to me.
Yeah.
And so in that sense, I feel like it is absolutely
in keeping with the legacy of the Testerosa,
which again, was a name that was borrowed then
that people were mad about in the 80s
because it was a name that was borrowed
from these 1950s sports cars,
which themselves were kind of.
Not super successful, yeah.
Well, and kind of awkward looking.
I mean, I remember the first time I saw a picture
of like a 50s Testerosa, it's like, what the fuck?
That car looks so weird.
And then you see it in real life
and it's like, holy fucking shit,
that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
And now like those are the most,
you know, like among the most valuable cars in the world,
you know, and so yeah, I for one applaud Ferrari
for fucking just.
I think that's the immediate impact
that these cars had on me.
Like this, like I said, both these new generation.
Ferraris is they reorder and make everything else look old.
So like the Lamborghini stuff, the McLarens,
like the current, it's like, you can make a very clear
like line of like cars that all kind of looked
like super cars have looked for the last 10 years or so.
And then this is like, this is like, oh, wow,
that's a new thing.
It's a break.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like that to me is like,
if you're in this business of,
of selling hypercars and supercars and, you know,
the highest end is like,
the avant-garde thing has to be part of that.
You know what I mean?
It's like when you fucking buy a car
or show up in a car that looks like it was made 10 years
in the future and everybody else's car
suddenly looks like a relic of a different era.
It's like, that's a success.
Like that's like, that's what this is about.
I think.
And also like, you know, like it's gonna take a long time
to actually get people into these cars.
So they kind of have to be like very fashion forward,
you know, because it's like,
by the time anyone actually gets,
like a lot of the customers,
by the time they actually get their car,
there will be like a new car, you know,
certainly like McLaren will have had two new cars
and Lamborghini will have had two new cars or whatever.
So like, you got to kind of future proof a little bit.
But yeah, I think, I agree.
I think it's hard to digest and it looks very different.
But that's, to me, that's the whole point.
Like that's, it's a half million dollar car
or whatever it's gonna be, like a million dollar car.
Like it should look very scary.
Yeah, it should stop you in your tracks.
I've been looking at pictures of it
the whole time you guys have been talking,
waiting for the front end to grow on me.
And it did.
Yeah, the front end is super Daytona,
especially like in profile, like it's got a,
I think it's got the big Bozoukou splitter in the front.
Yeah, crazy.
Yeah, it's good.
Good job, Ferrari, we'll take one.
Yeah, send it, send one over to us.
Put it in the alley, push it.
A tired pod.
All right, we're all just looking at pictures now.
All right, let's wrap up, we'll give them a stay tired.
Stay tired, friends.
All right, two boys.
Gotta get it.
See ya.
Bye.
About this episode
A lively discussion about the joys and frustrations of car culture, parenting, and the latest automotive news. The hosts share personal anecdotes about their children’s surprising fascination with garage smells and car-related activities, while also diving into the recent Munich auto show highlights. They critique new models from BMW, Mercedes, and Ferrari, debating design choices and the impact of technology on driving experiences. The conversation is filled with humor, nostalgia, and a critical look at the evolving automotive landscape.
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